[MOPO] Heritage charges

[Tommy Barr]

Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is charging a minimum
buyer's commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder how they
justify that?

Tommy

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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Michael Greenwood]

I'm sure they justified it to their shareholders in the normal way...growth 
must come at a cost...to the users.  And I imagine they were pleased with this 
news.  The non-stop greed in this world is really intense these days!  
Thankfully this hobby has other venues and less grabby sellers.


M



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Subject: [MOPO] Heritage charges

Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is charging a minimum 
buyer's commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder how they justify 
that?

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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Simon Oram]

  Agree..I think it was good to start with now, it seems the film poster business has lost allot because of them‎ and their patrons.Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.From: Michael GreenwoodSent: Thursday, 16 June 2016 12:23To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUReply To: Michael GreenwoodSubject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges






I'm sure they justified it to their shareholders in the normal way...growth must come at a cost...to the users.  And I imagine they were pleased with this news.  The non-stop greed in this world is really intense these days!  Thankfully this hobby has other
 venues and less grabby sellers.


M





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Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is charging a minimum buyer's commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder how they justify that?


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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Ira Rubenstein]

I think you will see that through this move,   Heritage will eliminate people 
listing lower priced items. As a business if they can focus on higher 
ticket items there is a higher return per item.There is a fixed labor cost 
per item you list,  and as a business obviously you want to maximize your 
return per item.

I am not saying the increase on a min charge is right or wrong.  To me it is 
just a business decision.  I would say as a animation collector too,  I was 
very impressed with their recent animation auction.   They have quickly become 
the dominant auction house for animation art.

I am curious to the last statement about how the Film Poster Business has lost 
a lot because of Heritage and their patrons. I am a collector and not a 
dealer.How has Heritage hurt the business?   Is that a overall Dealer 
perspective?

I would also agree with the other statement that there are lots of other venues 
and in a free trade society,  if something gets out of whack, there will always 
be something new to balance it.

Anyway,  my .02.

Ira
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Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

Agree..I think it was good to start with now, it seems the film poster business 
has lost allot because of them? and their patrons.

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
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I'm sure they justified it to their shareholders in the normal way...growth 
must come at a cost...to the users.  And I imagine they were pleased with this 
news.  The non-stop greed in this world is really intense these days!  
Thankfully this hobby has other venues and less grabby sellers.


M



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Subject: [MOPO] Heritage charges

Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is charging a minimum 
buyer's commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder how they justify 
that?

Tommy



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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Wim Jansen]

>  I would say as a animation collector too,  I was very impressed with their 
> recent animation auction.   They have quickly become the dominant auction 
> house for animation art.   

There’s your answer, coming into the market, flooding it with volume and 
eliminate the original expert dealers without needing the expertise. Then after 
that you raise your percentages.
I have bought quite a few posters with Heritage and i do trust and value Grey 
as a straight business guy and a very knowledgable expert, but I always have 
niggles in the deal after the purchase. In those events I have had contact with 
a lot of people. It seems like the entire back office consists of temps, 
there’s a huge turnover of personnel. That does not feel good.

Wim
Op 16 jun. 2016, om 15:27 heeft Ira Rubenstein  het 
volgende geschreven:

> I think you will see that through this move,   Heritage will eliminate people 
> listing lower priced items. As a business if they can focus on higher 
> ticket items there is a higher return per item.There is a fixed labor 
> cost per item you list,  and as a business obviously you want to maximize 
> your return per item.  
> 
> I am not saying the increase on a min charge is right or wrong.  To me it is 
> just a business decision.  I would say as a animation collector too,  I 
> was very impressed with their recent animation auction.   They have quickly 
> become the dominant auction house for animation art.   
> 
> I am curious to the last statement about how the Film Poster Business has 
> lost a lot because of Heritage and their patrons. I am a collector and 
> not a dealer.How has Heritage hurt the business?   Is that a overall 
> Dealer perspective?   
> 
> I would also agree with the other statement that there are lots of other 
> venues and in a free trade society,  if something gets out of whack, there 
> will always be something new to balance it.   
> 
> Anyway,  my .02.   
> 
> Ira
> From: MoPo List  on behalf of Simon Oram 
> 
> Reply-To: "fab5fre...@btinternet.com" 
> Date: Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 7:41 AM
> To: "MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU" 
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
> 
> Agree..I think it was good to start with now, it seems the film poster 
> business has lost allot because of them? and their patrons.
> 
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> From: Michael Greenwood
> Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2016 12:23
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Reply To: Michael Greenwood
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
> 
> I'm sure they justified it to their shareholders in the normal way...growth 
> must come at a cost...to the users.  And I imagine they were pleased with 
> this news.  The non-stop greed in this world is really intense these days!  
> Thankfully this hobby has other venues and less grabby sellers.
> 
> M
> 
> 
> From: MoPo List  on behalf of Tommy Barr 
> 
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 5:21 AM
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Subject: [MOPO] Heritage charges
>  
> Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is charging a minimum 
> buyer's commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder how they justify 
> that?
> 
> Tommy
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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Simon Oram]

Yes I think Wim pointed out by what you wrote Ira..”dominant” by definition 
that means, control or power over others and when that happens a market becomes 
stale and unexciting, the business of collecting and dealing did seem all more 
exciting a few years back. 

It also seems to me that allot of people who had taken up collecting around the 
millennium mark are, dropping like flies out of the market place, selling up 
and moving on from it. I can only write what I have been told but, I have been 
asking. Heritage promises the world to it’s consignors and they expect to get 
it, it’s a possibility that people only trust them with it.

Simon 
From: Wim Jansen 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 3:09 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

  I would say as a animation collector too,  I was very impressed with their 
recent animation auction.   They have quickly become the dominant auction house 
for animation art.   

There’s your answer, coming into the market, flooding it with volume and 
eliminate the original expert dealers without needing the expertise. Then after 
that you raise your percentages. 
I have bought quite a few posters with Heritage and i do trust and value Grey 
as a straight business guy and a very knowledgable expert, but I always have 
niggles in the deal after the purchase. In those events I have had contact with 
a lot of people. It seems like the entire back office consists of temps, 
there’s a huge turnover of personnel. That does not feel good.

Wim

Op 16 jun. 2016, om 15:27 heeft Ira Rubenstein  het 
volgende geschreven:


  I think you will see that through this move,   Heritage will eliminate people 
listing lower priced items. As a business if they can focus on higher 
ticket items there is a higher return per item.There is a fixed labor cost 
per item you list,  and as a business obviously you want to maximize your 
return per item.  

  I am not saying the increase on a min charge is right or wrong.  To me it is 
just a business decision.  I would say as a animation collector too,  I was 
very impressed with their recent animation auction.   They have quickly become 
the dominant auction house for animation art.   

  I am curious to the last statement about how the Film Poster Business has 
lost a lot because of Heritage and their patrons. I am a collector and not 
a dealer.How has Heritage hurt the business?   Is that a overall Dealer 
perspective?   

  I would also agree with the other statement that there are lots of other 
venues and in a free trade society,  if something gets out of whack, there will 
always be something new to balance it.   

  Anyway,  my .02.   

  Ira
  From: MoPo List  on behalf of Simon Oram 

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  Date: Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 7:41 AM
  To: "MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU" 
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges


  Agree..I think it was good to start with now, it seems the film poster 
business has lost allot because of them? and their patrons.
  Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
From: Michael Greenwood
Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2016 12:23
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Reply To: Michael Greenwood
    Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges 


  I'm sure they justified it to their shareholders in the normal way...growth 
must come at a cost...to the users.  And I imagine they were pleased with this 
news.  The non-stop greed in this world is really intense these days!  
Thankfully this hobby has other venues and less grabby sellers.

  M





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  Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is charging a minimum 
buyer's commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder how they justify 
that? 

  Tommy


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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Ira Rubenstein]

I guess I come at this from a collector view.   And I have never sold anything 
that I have bought before.   So I am probably a little naïve about it all.
And if I was selling a lot of items, then of course I would want a maximum of 
options to sell through.

To me the relationship between auction houses and dealers is symbiotic.  They 
both need each other.Dealers bid on auction items all the time in an effort 
to find something to resell.   This helps maintain a floor on pricing. I am 
sure dealers sell through auctions at times well when they need to liquidate or 
manage inventory.  And I don’t think this is exclusive to Movie Posters.   
(Books, Coins, Stamps, Baseball cards, Art, etc…)All areas of collections 
have dealers and auction houses.

>From a collectors stand point I have relationships with many dealers both in 
>Movie Posters and Animation art.   One animation art dealer has done an 
>exceptional job of always calling me when he finds something he knows I will 
>be interested in.Many others don’t. But as a collector it is also fun 
>to participate in Auctions because there is always one item you are looking 
>for.  Comes up from time to time.  You lose out a few times and then you win.  
> And the fun is to finally win.   And at a price you can afford.   Or you 
>realize you have to save more to get what you want. OR you see a poster 
>you have never seen before and you decide it looks amazing and you want to 
>hang it on your wall.   That’s the fun of discovery.

So to me,  having healthy auction houses and healthy dealers is best for 
everyone.   I don’t think one can survive without the other.   And I don’t 
think it is a win/lose situation.

I can’t speak to people leaving the hobby or staying in it.   I would think a 
lot of it is age of the typical collecting consumer and what type of films they 
grew up with.I am amazed at what 80’s film posters are selling for when I 
know there are tens of thousands of copies of each one.(Having worked in 
the film marketing world)  To me,  these are the films of their youth and 
that’s what they want to hang on their wall.It can also be that as people 
get older they look at getting rid of things,  smaller homes,   wanting the 
money to do other things as they live in retirement.

 I can also see for myself in the next 10 to 15 years as I downsize,  I will 
probably be forced to look hard at starting to sell my collection.And 
figuring out the best way to do that.  Who knows,  it may be my retirement 
career,   joining all of you in the dealer world.  :)

Personally, as a collector/consumer I do like Heritage and I like Bruce at 
emovieposter. The auctions are well run.   Accurate descriptions.  
Pictures.  Billing and packing are easy.  A lot done digitally.   Heritage Live 
on a mobile platform is very impressive tech.  In my area of work,  I am 
always reminding people to focus on the consumer and both of them have done 
that.   Very well.And if you focus on the consumer first,  you will always 
win.(Steve Jobs lesson)

Thank you all for your thoughts.  I enjoy these type of discussions as I learn 
more about the hobby and the business of posters.

Best,

Ira





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Date: Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 10:41 AM
To: "MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU<mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>" 
mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>>
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

Yes I think Wim pointed out by what you wrote Ira..”dominant” by definition 
that means, control or power over others and when that happens a market becomes 
stale and unexciting, the business of collecting and dealing did seem all more 
exciting a few years back.

It also seems to me that allot of people who had taken up collecting around the 
millennium mark are, dropping like flies out of the market place, selling up 
and moving on from it. I can only write what I have been told but, I have been 
asking. Heritage promises the world to it’s consignors and they expect to get 
it, it’s a possibility that people only trust them with it.

Simon
From: Wim Jansen<mailto:w...@bqjansen.demon.nl>
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 3:09 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU<mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

I would say as a animation collector too,  I was very impressed with their 
recent animation auction.   They have quickly become the dominant auction house 
for animation art.

There’s your answer, coming into the market, flooding it with volume and 
eliminate the original expert dealers without needing the expertise. Then after 
that you raise your percentages.
I have bought quite a few posters with Heritage and i do trust and value Grey 
as a straight b

Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art]

I largely agree with Ira and disagree with Simon in some ways

for the most part, I win very little under $100, 
and so the $19 min bp means nothing as I'm already paying 19.5%


if you only bid in the signature auctions, then 
the $19 min has no effect as nothing sells under 
$100 in those, so you're only talking about 
Sunday auctions and in case people don't pay 
attention, the average item price in an HA sale 
is $70-100 on a weekly basis (last week they did 
just short of $41k on 496 listings est $82 per item, with bp).


it has at best, a small effect

what about those sellers who drive down prices by 
selling massive amount of posters for $20 and 
less, including silent & golden age material that 
previously sold for much higher prices? Aren't 
they a negative worth discussing? Don't they have 
a greater effect on collectors, devaluing their collections in real time?


Nobody forces anyone to do business with any 
specific entity. You can choose who you spend 
money with, just like I do. (this is part of the 
capiltalist/consumerist theory)
If HA has something you want this week, I 
seriously doubt the extra $5 has much of a curtailing aspect to it


Rich


At 08:29 AM 6/16/2016, Ira Rubenstein wrote:
I guess I come at this from a collector 
view.   And I have never sold anything that I 
have bought before.   So I am probably a little 
naïve about it all.And if I was selling a 
lot of items, then of course I would want a 
maximum of options to sell through.


To me the relationship between auction houses 
and dealers is symbiotic.  They both need each 
other.Dealers bid on auction items all the 
time in an effort to find something to 
resell.   This helps maintain a floor on 
pricing. I am sure dealers sell through auctions 
at times well when they need to liquidate or 
manage inventory.  And I don’t think this is 
exclusive to Movie Posters.   (Books, Coins, 
Stamps, Baseball cards, Art, etc…)All areas 
of collections have dealers and auction houses.


From a collectors stand point I have 
relationships with many dealers both in Movie 
Posters and Animation art.   One animation art 
dealer has done an exceptional job of always 
calling me when he finds something he knows I 
will be interested in.Many others 
don’t. But as a collector it is also fun to 
participate in Auctions because there is always 
one item you are looking for.  Comes up from 
time to time.  You lose out a few times and 
then you win.   And the fun is to finally 
win.   And at a price you can afford.   Or you 
realize you have to save more to get what you 
want. OR you see a poster you have never 
seen before and you decide it looks amazing and 
you want to hang it on your wall.   That’s the fun of discovery.


So to me,  having healthy auction houses and 
healthy dealers is best for everyone.   I don’t 
think one can survive without the other.   And I 
don’t think it is a win/lose situation.


I can’t speak to people leaving the hobby or 
staying in it.   I would think a lot of it is 
age of the typical collecting consumer and what 
type of films they grew up with.I am amazed 
at what 80’s film posters are selling for when I 
know there are tens of thousands of copies of 
each one.(Having worked in the film 
marketing world)  To me,  these are the 
films of their youth and that’s what they want 
to hang on their wall.It can also be that as 
people get older they look at getting rid of 
things,  smaller homes,   wanting the money to 
do other things as they live in retirement.


 I can also see for myself in the next 10 to 15 
years as I downsize,  I will probably be forced 
to look hard at starting to sell my 
collection.And figuring out the best way to 
do that.  Who knows,  it may be my retirement 
career,   joining all of you in the dealer world.  :)


Personally, as a collector/consumer I do like 
Heritage and I like Bruce at 
emovieposter. The auctions are well 
run.   Accurate 
descriptions.  Pictures.  Billing and packing 
are easy.  A lot done digitally.   Heritage Live 
on a mobile platform is very impressive 
tech.  In my area of work,  I am always 
reminding people to focus on the consumer and 
both of them have done that.   Very well.And 
if you focus on the consumer first,  you will 
always win.(Steve Jobs lesson)


Thank you all for your thoughts.  I enjoy these 
type of discussions as I learn more about the 
hobby and the business of posters.


Best,

Ira





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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Kirby McDaniel]

 impressive tech.  In my area of work,  
>> I am always reminding people to focus on the consumer and both of them have 
>> done that.   Very well.And if you focus on the consumer first,  you will 
>> always win.(Steve Jobs lesson)  
>> 
>> Thank you all for your thoughts.  I enjoy these type of discussions as I 
>> learn more about the hobby and the business of posters.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Ira
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>    
>> 
>> From: MoPo List < mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
>> <mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>> on behalf of Simon Oram < 
>> fab5fre...@btinternet.com <mailto:fab5fre...@btinternet.com>>
>> Reply-To: Simon Oram < fab5fre...@btinternet.com 
>> <mailto:fab5fre...@btinternet.com>>
>> Date: Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 10:41 AM
>> To: " MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>" < 
>> MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>>
>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
>> 
>> Yes I think Wim pointed out by what you wrote Ira..”dominant” by definition 
>> that means, control or power over others and when that happens a market 
>> becomes stale and unexciting, the business of collecting and dealing did 
>> seem all more exciting a few years back. 
>>  
>> It also seems to me that allot of people who had taken up collecting around 
>> the millennium mark are, dropping like flies out of the market place, 
>> selling up and moving on from it. I can only write what I have been told 
>> but, I have been asking. Heritage promises the world to it’s consignors and 
>> they expect to get it, it’s a possibility that people only trust them with 
>> it.
>>  
>> Simon 
>> From: Wim Jansen <mailto:w...@bqjansen.demon.nl> 
>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 3:09 PM
>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> 
>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
>>  
>>> I would say as a animation collector too,  I was very impressed with their 
>>> recent animation auction.   They have quickly become the dominant auction 
>>> house for animation art.  
>>  
>> There’s your answer, coming into the market, flooding it with volume and 
>> eliminate the original expert dealers without needing the expertise. Then 
>> after that you raise your percentages. 
>> I have bought quite a few posters with Heritage and i do trust and value 
>> Grey as a straight business guy and a very knowledgable expert, but I always 
>> have niggles in the deal after the purchase. In those events I have had 
>> contact with a lot of people. It seems like the entire back office consists 
>> of temps, there’s a huge turnover of personnel. That does not feel good.
>>  
>> Wim
>> Op 16 jun. 2016, om 15:27 heeft Ira Rubenstein > <mailto:irubenst...@pbs.org>> het volgende geschreven:
>> 
>>> I think you will see that through this move,   Heritage will eliminate 
>>> people listing lower priced items. As a business if they can focus on 
>>> higher ticket items there is a higher return per item.There is a fixed 
>>> labor cost per item you list,  and as a business obviously you want to 
>>> maximize your return per item.  
>>>  
>>> I am not saying the increase on a min charge is right or wrong.  To me it 
>>> is just a business decision.  I would say as a animation collector too, 
>>>  I was very impressed with their recent animation auction.   They have 
>>> quickly become the dominant auction house for animation art.   
>>>  
>>> I am curious to the last statement about how the Film Poster Business has 
>>> lost a lot because of Heritage and their patrons. I am a collector and 
>>> not a dealer.How has Heritage hurt the business?   Is that a overall 
>>> Dealer perspective?   
>>>  
>>> I would also agree with the other statement that there are lots of other 
>>> venues and in a free trade society,  if something gets out of whack, there 
>>> will always be something new to balance it.   
>>>  
>>> Anyway,  my .02.   
>>>  
>>> Ira
>>> From: MoPo List < mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
>>> <mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>> on behalf of Simon Oram < 
>>> fab5fre...@btinternet.com <mailto:fab5fre...@btinternet.com>>
>>> Reply-To: " fab5fre...@btinternet.com <mailto:fab5fre...@btinternet.com>" < 
>>> f

Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[filip de volder]

as we all know what happened at some point was internet spreading all over 
.before that there were lesser sellers who artificially kept all prices high 
with stores and catalogues/auctions only sales .i think for collectors this has 
been an amazing evolution to grow their collections , as for sellers it's 
simple , the quality items that rarely turn up keep their value (or keep rising 
in value) all the rest has gone down to more reasonable/logical prices with a 
blown up monopoly .so i personally , though being a seller , would say that as 
for negative worth on a moral , not a financial  level one might question more 
why in the past all this was so expensive and can now be found so much cheaper 
...does a collector struggle with the question : it's now cheaper so  the value 
of my collection has gone down ( he will if he only buys and collects as an 
investment) or with the question , hey didn't i get badly ripped off in the 
past by some greedy bastards ?
filip

Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 13:43:49 -0500
From: ki...@movieart.com
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU

I agree with Rich entirely here.  We all resent rising prices, but Heritage is 
just one of millions of business experiecing rising costs.
Kirby McDanielwww.movieart.com

On Jun 16, 2016, at 1:37 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art 
 wrote:

I largely agree with Ira and disagree with Simon in some ways


for the most part, I win very little under $100, and so the $19 min bp
means nothing as I'm already paying 19.5%


if you only bid in the signature auctions, then the $19 min has no effect
as nothing sells under $100 in those, so you're only talking about Sunday
auctions and in case people don't pay attention, the average item price
in an HA sale is $70-100 on a weekly basis (last week they did just short
of $41k on 496 listings est $82 per item, with bp).


it has at best, a small effect


what about those sellers who drive down prices by selling massive amount
of posters for $20 and less, including silent & golden age material
that previously sold for much higher prices? Aren't they a negative worth
discussing? Don't they have a greater effect on collectors, devaluing
their collections in real time? 


Nobody forces anyone to do business with any specific entity. You can
choose who you spend money with, just like I do. (this is part of the
capiltalist/consumerist theory)

If HA has something you want this week, I seriously doubt the extra $5
has much of a curtailing aspect to it


Rich




At 08:29 AM 6/16/2016, Ira Rubenstein wrote:

I guess I come at this from a
collector view.   And I have never sold anything that I have
bought before.   So I am probably a little naïve about it
all.And if I was selling a lot of items, then of
course I would want a maximum of options to sell
through.


To me the relationship between auction houses and dealers is
symbiotic.  They both need each other.Dealers bid
on auction items all the time in an effort to find something to
resell.   This helps maintain a floor on pricing. I am sure
dealers sell through auctions at times well when they need to liquidate
or manage inventory.  And I don’t think this
is exclusive to Movie Posters.   (Books, Coins, Stamps,
Baseball cards, Art, etc…)All areas of collections
have dealers and auction houses. 



 From a collectors stand point I have relationships with many dealers
both in Movie Posters and Animation art.   One animation art
dealer has done an exceptional job of always calling me when he finds
something he knows I will be interested in.Many others
don’t. But as a collector it is also fun to
participate in Auctions because there is always one item you are looking
for.  Comes up from time to time.  You lose out a few times and
then you win.   And the fun is to finally win.   And
at a price you can afford.   Or you realize you have to save
more to get what you want. OR you see a poster
you have never seen before and you decide it looks amazing and you want
to hang it on your wall.   That’s the fun of
discovery.   


So to me,  having healthy auction houses and healthy dealers is best
for everyone.   I don’t think one can survive without the
other.   And I don’t think it is a win/lose
situation. 


I can’t speak to people leaving the hobby or staying in it.   I
would think a lot of it is age of the typical collecting consumer and
what type of films they grew up with.I am amazed at
what 80’s film posters are selling for when I know there are tens of
thousands of copies of each one.(Having worked in the
film marketing world)  To me,  these
are the films of their youth and that’s what they want to hang on their
wall.It can also be that as people get older they look
at getting rid of things,  smaller homes,   wanting the
money to do other things as they live in retirement.   



 I can also see for myself in the next 10 to 15 years 

Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Tommy Barr]

s is
> exclusive to Movie Posters.   (Books, Coins, Stamps, Baseball cards, Art,
> etc…)All areas of collections have dealers and auction houses.
>
> From a collectors stand point I have relationships with many dealers both
> in Movie Posters and Animation art.   One animation art dealer has done an
> exceptional job of always calling me when he finds something he knows I
> will be interested in.Many others don’t. But as a collector it is
> also fun to participate in Auctions because there is always one item you
> are looking for.  Comes up from time to time.  You lose out a few times and
> then you win.   And the fun is to finally win.   And at a price you can
> afford.   Or you realize you have to save more to get what you want. OR
> you see a poster you have never seen before and you decide it looks amazing
> and you want to hang it on your wall.   That’s the fun of discovery.
>
> So to me,  having healthy auction houses and healthy dealers is best for
> everyone.   I don’t think one can survive without the other.   And I don’t
> think it is a win/lose situation.
>
> I can’t speak to people leaving the hobby or staying in it.   I would
> think a lot of it is age of the typical collecting consumer and what type
> of films they grew up with.I am amazed at what 80’s film posters are
> selling for when I know there are tens of thousands of copies of each
> one.(Having worked in the film marketing world)  To me,  these are
> the films of their youth and that’s what they want to hang on their
> wall.It can also be that as people get older they look at getting rid
> of things,  smaller homes,   wanting the money to do other things as they
> live in retirement.
>
>  I can also see for myself in the next 10 to 15 years as I downsize,  I
> will probably be forced to look hard at starting to sell my collection.
> And figuring out the best way to do that.  Who knows,  it may be my
> retirement career,   joining all of you in the dealer world.  :)
>
> Personally, as a collector/consumer I do like Heritage and I like Bruce at
> emovieposter. The auctions are well run.   Accurate descriptions.
> Pictures.  Billing and packing are easy.  A lot done digitally.   Heritage
> Live on a mobile platform is very impressive tech.  In my area of
> work,  I am always reminding people to focus on the consumer and both of
> them have done that.   Very well.And if you focus on the consumer
> first,  you will always win.(Steve Jobs lesson)
>
> Thank you all for your thoughts.  I enjoy these type of discussions as I
> learn more about the hobby and the business of posters.
>
> Best,
>
> Ira
>
>
>
>
>
> From: MoPo List < mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> on behalf of Simon Oram <
> fab5fre...@btinternet.com>
> Reply-To: Simon Oram < fab5fre...@btinternet.com>
> Date: Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 10:41 AM
> To: " MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU" < MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
>
> Yes I think Wim pointed out by what you wrote Ira..”dominant” by
> definition that means, control or power over others and when that happens a
> market becomes stale and unexciting, the business of collecting and dealing
> did seem all more exciting a few years back.
>
> It also seems to me that allot of people who had taken up collecting
> around the millennium mark are, dropping like flies out of the market
> place, selling up and moving on from it. I can only write what I have been
> told but, I have been asking. Heritage promises the world to it’s
> consignors and they expect to get it, it’s a possibility that people only
> trust them with it.
>
> Simon
> *From:* Wim Jansen 
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 3:09 PM
> *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
>
>
> I would say as a animation collector too,  I was very impressed with their
> recent animation auction.   They have quickly become the dominant auction
> house for animation art.
>
>
> There’s your answer, coming into the market, flooding it with volume and
> eliminate the original expert dealers without needing the expertise. Then
> after that you raise your percentages.
> I have bought quite a few posters with Heritage and i do trust and value
> Grey as a straight business guy and a very knowledgable expert, but I
> always have niggles in the deal after the purchase. In those events I have
> had contact with a lot of people. It seems like the entire back office
> consists of temps, there’s a huge turnover of personnel. That does not feel
> good.
>
> Wim
> Op 16 jun. 2016, om 15:27 heeft Ira Rubenstein  het
> volgende geschreven:
>
> I think you will see that throug

Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Helmut Hamm]

Kirby,

> 
> I agree with Rich entirely here.  We all resent rising prices, but Heritage 
> is just one of millions of business experiecing rising costs.

that may well be true, but the problem lies elsewhere: Like any other 
corporation, Heritage is determined to make MORE money every year. 

With Grey Smith, the Heritage Corporation has a very friendly face, but don't 
let that fool you: Like any other corporation, they do not care about you, me 
or anybody else, all they care about is MORE MONEY. 

The word 'enough' does not exist in the capitalist vocabulary, neither do any 
kind of moral values.

Helmut




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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Michael Greenwood]

And I am 100% in agreement with Helmut's wise and fully correct observations 
toward corporate need for profits and while Heritage may want the bar to rise 
as far as the quality of their offerings, I think they're fine with the Sunday 
auctions and BP earnings they take from them...guaranteeing $19 per lot and up 
with better material.

I am not on any side here as I use all sites that offer goods I'm into but 
Bruce's model is one that is more in tune with my lefty sympathies. He's 
running more weekly material through Missouri than the Dallas folks an he is 
able to pay his people via his consignment fees. His staff also seem to be a 
little more informed and on the ball. Corporations tend to increase profits by 
hiring temps and such and like a bit of turnover so raises aren't needed. It 
creates a less pleasant situation for human interaction and getting real 
answers rather than lack of knowledge or some scripted corpspeak.


That's just how I see it. I'd love to feel different.

Michael

From: MoPo List  on behalf of Helmut Hamm 

Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 9:39:01 AM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

Kirby,


I agree with Rich entirely here.  We all resent rising prices, but Heritage is 
just one of millions of business experiecing rising costs.

that may well be true, but the problem lies elsewhere: Like any other 
corporation, Heritage is determined to make MORE money every year.

With Grey Smith, the Heritage Corporation has a very friendly face, but don't 
let that fool you: Like any other corporation, they do not care about you, me 
or anybody else, all they care about is MORE MONEY.

The word 'enough' does not exist in the capitalist vocabulary, neither do any 
kind of moral values.

Helmut






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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Helmut Hamm]

> I’ve noticed in the past some private dealers getting nice items on their 
> sites and I’m damn sure they haven't been able to sell them at the price they 
> want so they consign those items to Heritage..not good for small business.

Unfortunately, that seems to be true. 

Too many people just LOVE to buy from the biggest players in the market. 
Needless to say it's often the same people who fail to support their 
neighborhood shops who are the first to whine when yet another small business 
closes down. 

Nobody can compete with the money Heritage can throw around, but PLEASE do not 
whine when the day comes that all small dealers have gone out of business. 

If you have any doubt about the true nature of the modern-day 'corporation', 
this 2003 documentary is highly recommended:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMNZXV7jOG0 


It's educating and quite entertaining as well. 

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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Simon Oram]

Ah that quote of mine might seem as though it came out of nowhere, I meant to 
post to the list but only replied to Helmut..here it is in it’s entirety..

“Well said!

A healthy business is not all about money. I don’t resent rising prices, in 
fact I would say in lots of cases on the posters themselves, prices have 
fallen. My point being if, one place is seen to be the only place to be, then 
that’s bad and when they know it, it’s even worse.

I’ve noticed in the past some private dealers getting nice items on their sites 
and I’m damn sure they haven't been able to sell them at the price they want so 
they consign those items to Heritage..not good for small business.”


Simon

From: Helmut Hamm 
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 5:38 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges


  I’ve noticed in the past some private dealers getting nice items on their 
sites and I’m damn sure they haven't been able to sell them at the price they 
want so they consign those items to Heritage..not good for small business.

Unfortunately, that seems to be true. 

Too many people just LOVE to buy from the biggest players in the market. 
Needless to say it's often the same people who fail to support their 
neighborhood shops who are the first to whine when yet another small business 
closes down. 

Nobody can compete with the money Heritage can throw around, but PLEASE do not 
whine when the day comes that all small dealers have gone out of business. 

If you have any doubt about the true nature of the modern-day 'corporation', 
this 2003 documentary is highly recommended:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMNZXV7jOG0

It's educating and quite entertaining as well. 

Helmut




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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Wim Jansen]

Hear hear! as they say
Op 17 jun. 2016, om 19:08 heeft Simon Oram  het 
volgende geschreven:

> Ah that quote of mine might seem as though it came out of nowhere, I meant to 
> post to the list but only replied to Helmut..here it is in it’s entirety..
>  
> “Well said!
>  
> A healthy business is not all about money. I don’t resent rising prices, in 
> fact I would say in lots of cases on the posters themselves, prices have 
> fallen. My point being if, one place is seen to be the only place to be, then 
> that’s bad and when they know it, it’s even worse.
>  
> I’ve noticed in the past some private dealers getting nice items on their 
> sites and I’m damn sure they haven't been able to sell them at the price they 
> want so they consign those items to Heritage..not good for small business.”
>  
>  
> Simon
>  
> From: Helmut Hamm
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 5:38 PM
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
>  
>  
>> I’ve noticed in the past some private dealers getting nice items on their 
>> sites and I’m damn sure they haven't been able to sell them at the price 
>> they want so they consign those items to Heritage..not good for small 
>> business.
> 
>  
> Unfortunately, that seems to be true.
>  
> Too many people just LOVE to buy from the biggest players in the market. 
> Needless to say it's often the same people who fail to support their 
> neighborhood shops who are the first to whine when yet another small business 
> closes down.
>  
> Nobody can compete with the money Heritage can throw around, but PLEASE do 
> not whine when the day comes that all small dealers have gone out of business.
>  
> If you have any doubt about the true nature of the modern-day 'corporation', 
> this 2003 documentary is highly recommended:
>  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMNZXV7jOG0
>  
> It's educating and quite entertaining as well.
>  
> Helmut
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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[David]

Have read all comments I guess the overriding point is going to be one 
of cost. Like everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200 poster as it 
does a $20 and so rather than turn away business at the bottom end HA 
are are simply going to charge you for it - why shouldn't they? How many 
dealers sell posters for a $1, and are happy to do so?


I bet there is very few, most would not even bother stocking a $1 poster 
let alone selling one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1 - by the time 
eBay take their slice of the action, the cost of materials, your time 
what's left for you?


For others who sell via their websites you probably already know you can 
set a minimum purchase value on the shopping cart - if you have set one 
then what's the difference between you and HA?


It's expensive to sell stuff cheap.


David



Tommy Barr wrote on 16/06/2016 7:21 PM:
Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is charging a 
minimum buyer's commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder 
how they justify that?


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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Kirby McDaniel]

David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHING?

Thanks, David.

Kirby McDaniel


> On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David  wrote:
> 
> Have read all comments I guess the overriding point is going to be one of 
> cost. Like everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200 poster as it does a 
> $20 and so rather than turn away business at the bottom end HA are are simply 
> going to charge you for it - why shouldn't they? How many dealers sell 
> posters for a $1, and are happy to do so?
> I bet there is very few, most would not even bother stocking a $1 poster let 
> alone selling one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1 - by the time eBay 
> take their slice of the action, the cost of materials, your time what's left 
> for you?
> 
> For others who sell via their websites you probably already know you can set 
> a minimum purchase value on the shopping cart - if you have set one then 
> what's the difference between you and HA?
> 
> It's expensive to sell stuff cheap.
> 
> 
> David
> 
> 
> Tommy Barr wrote on 16/06/2016 7:21 PM:
>> Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is charging a minimum 
>> buyer's commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder how they 
>> justify that?
>> 
>> Tommy
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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Tommy Barr]

Sorry, but that's missing the point. HA do not have to sell posters for low
amounts, they are choosing to do it, and then asking the buyer to pay for
their decision. If I want to sell a poster for $10 I don't say the poster
will cost you $10 but I also want a further $19 for my trouble.I could try
selling it for a fixed price of $29 but if that is way above its market
value who is going to buy it?  Anyway, I have bought and own the poster and
hope someone else might want it, unlike HA who have no outlay other than
the cost of listing the item. They are attracting consignors with low value
posters because they know that even if the consignor only makes a few cents
they will still make quite big bucks. No reason why they shouldn't, indeed,
just as there is no reason why the collector should avoid such one-sided
business practice.  And, as I said before, the silence from HA on this
forum is quite deafening.

Tommy

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Kirby McDaniel  wrote:

> David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHING?
>
> Thanks, David.
>
> Kirby McDaniel
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David  > wrote:
>
> Have read all comments I guess the overriding point is going to be one of
> cost. Like everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200 poster as it does a
> $20 and so rather than turn away business at the bottom end HA are are
> simply going to charge you for it - why shouldn't they? How many dealers
> sell posters for a $1, and are happy to do so?
>
> I bet there is very few, most would not even bother stocking a $1 poster
> let alone selling one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1 - by the time
> eBay take their slice of the action, the cost of materials, your time
> what's left for you?
>
> For others who sell via their websites you probably already know you can
> set a minimum purchase value on the shopping cart - if you have set one
> then what's the difference between you and HA?
>
> It's expensive to sell stuff cheap.
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> Tommy Barr wrote on 16/06/2016 7:21 PM:
>
> Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is charging a
> minimum buyer's commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder how
> they justify that?
>
> Tommy
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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[MPB Warehouse]

unlike HA who have no outlay other than the cost of listing the item.


sorry Tommy, that is such a simplistic definition 
of the work involved in A) listing material for sale.. and B) being in business


I wish it was as simple as snapping my fingers, 
but first you have to gather (in HA's case) 500 posters

then you have to send them down to the photography dept
then they have to be individually catalogued
then the catalogued list needs to be converted or uploaded etc to the site
you have to promote the auctions
you have to answer the questions
then you have to have the orders pulled individually
you have to send them down to shipping
shipping has top package & post them
all that is just the A)

the B) is that you have to pay for your website, your rent, your lights.
you have to pay your employees, your software designer
you have to pay for all that advertising you do

I probably haven't even touched the surface

this is why I have fewer auctions, even when we 
work out the bugs on the new software - the labor 
is extensive and I have other stuff to do




as I said before, the silence from HA on this forum is quite deafening.


Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. 
he's making money for his employer




Tommy

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Kirby McDaniel 
<ki...@movieart.com> wrote:

David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHING?

Thanks, David.

Kirby McDaniel


On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David 
<shadow@gmail.com> wrote:


Have read all comments I guess the overriding 
point is going to be one of cost. Like 
everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200 
poster as it does a $20 and so rather than turn 
away business at the bottom end HA are are 
simply going to charge you for it - why 
shouldn't they? How many dealers sell posters for a $1, and are happy to do so?


I bet there is very few, most would not even 
bother stocking a $1 poster let alone selling 
one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1 - by 
the time eBay take their slice of the action, 
the cost of materials, your time what's left for you?


For others who sell via their websites you 
probably already know you can set a minimum 
purchase value on the shopping cart - if you 
have set one then what's the difference between you and HA?


It's expensive to sell stuff cheap.


David



Tommy Barr wrote on 16/06/2016 7:21 PM:
Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage 
Auctions is charging a minimum buyer's 
commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder how they justify that?


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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[David]

/Tommy Barr wrote: "HA do not have to sell posters for low amounts, they 
are choosing to do it, and then asking the buyer to pay for their 
decision."/


The bidder does not have to bid for the poster either, when he does bid 
he is agreeing with HA charges - and that was their decision, no one elses.


Even before the bidder places their bid they are told what the/total 
/cost of the bid is, and again when they place a bid they are asked 
"Please confirm your bid of $X ($XX w/ BP)". If someone chooses to then 
place a bid surely they are agreeing with the cost, it's not hidden, 
there's is in fact a double opt-out option for the bidder. You don't get 
that at a live auction.


I'm not saying the prices are not exorbitant but people can vote with 
their wallet.


As an aside, I've no idea what HA charge in commission to consign a 
poster that realises (say) $5, is it 75% of the net sell price (ex BP)? 
Is it really a quick buck to send a cheap poster to HA?


David


Tommy Barr wrote on 18/06/2016 8:07 AM:
Sorry, but that's missing the point. HA do not have to sell posters 
for low amounts, they are choosing to do it, and then asking the buyer 
to pay for their decision. If I want to sell a poster for $10 I don't 
say the poster will cost you $10 but I also want a further $19 for my 
trouble.I could try selling it for a fixed price of $29 but if that is 
way above its market value who is going to buy it?  Anyway, I have 
bought and own the poster and hope someone else might want it, unlike 
HA who have no outlay other than the cost of listing the item. They 
are attracting consignors with low value posters because they know 
that even if the consignor only makes a few cents they will still make 
quite big bucks. No reason why they shouldn't, indeed, just as there 
is no reason why the collector should avoid such one-sided business 
practice.  And, as I said before, the silence from HA on this forum is 
quite deafening.


Tommy

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Kirby McDaniel > wrote:


David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHING?

Thanks, David.

Kirby McDaniel



On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David mailto:shadow@gmail.com>> wrote:

Have read all comments I guess the overriding point is going to
be one of cost. Like everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200
poster as it does a $20 and so rather than turn away business at
the bottom end HA are are simply going to charge you for it - why
shouldn't they? How many dealers sell posters for a $1, and are
happy to do so?

I bet there is very few, most would not even bother stocking a $1
poster let alone selling one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1
- by the time eBay take their slice of the action, the cost of
materials, your time what's left for you?

For others who sell via their websites you probably already know
you can set a minimum purchase value on the shopping cart - if
you have set one then what's the difference between you and HA?

It's expensive to sell stuff cheap.


David



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Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is
charging a minimum buyer's commission of $19, an increase of
36%. I just wonder how they justify that?

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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

As an aside, I've no idea what HA charge in commission to consign a 
poster that realises (say) $5, is it 75% of the net sell price (ex 
BP)? Is it really a quick buck to send a cheap poster to HA?


I believe $5 posters are only going to come in with collections and 
they will not accept consignments of only sub-par material.
I don't even bother sending them stuff I don't expect will get a 
hefty sum. I have a rare poster coming up with them and it could go 
for 1000 or 10,000. (we'll be finding out!)
as to consignment fees, I believe they have a single % for your 
entire consignment, just like I do on MPB or Pete does on MPE and 
it's something below $30%
hey.. if you consign an uber-expensive item to them, I know for a 
fact that'll even deal the % down


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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Tommy Barr]

'Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. he's making money for his
employer'

Really? We know HA access this site as they promote their listings here,
but he is so busy making money that he simply ignores a forum of
collector/dealers, possibly some of his best clients, when his business
model is being criticized, and that's not corporate arrogance?



On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:29 PM, MPB Warehouse 
wrote:

> unlike HA who have no outlay other than the cost of listing the item.
>
>
> sorry Tommy, that is such a simplistic definition of the work involved in
> A) listing material for sale.. and B) being in business
>
> I wish it was as simple as snapping my fingers, but first you have to
> gather (in HA's case) 500 posters
> then you have to send them down to the photography dept
> then they have to be individually catalogued
> then the catalogued list needs to be converted or uploaded etc to the site
> you have to promote the auctions
> you have to answer the questions
> then you have to have the orders pulled individually
> you have to send them down to shipping
> shipping has top package & post them
> all that is just the A)
>
> the B) is that you have to pay for your website, your rent, your lights.
> you have to pay your employees, your software designer
> you have to pay for all that advertising you do
>
> I probably haven't even touched the surface
>
> this is why I have fewer auctions, even when we work out the bugs on the
> new software - the labor is extensive and I have other stuff to do
>
>
> as I said before, the silence from HA on this forum is quite deafening.
>
>
> Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. he's making money for his
> employer
>
>
> Tommy
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Kirby McDaniel 
> wrote:
> David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHING?
>
> Thanks, David.
>
> Kirby McDaniel
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David  > wrote:
>
> Have read all comments I guess the overriding point is going to be one of
> cost. Like everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200 poster as it does a
> $20 and so rather than turn away business at the bottom end HA are are
> simply going to charge you for it - why shouldn't they? How many dealers
> sell posters for a $1, and are happy to do so?
>
> I bet there is very few, most would not even bother stocking a $1 poster
> let alone selling one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1 - by the time
> eBay take their slice of the action, the cost of materials, your time
> what's left for you?
>
> For others who sell via their websites you probably already know you can
> set a minimum purchase value on the shopping cart - if you have set one
> then what's the difference between you and HA?
>
> It's expensive to sell stuff cheap.
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> Tommy Barr wrote on 16/06/2016 7:21 PM:
>
> Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is charging a
> minimum buyer's commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder how
> they justify that?
>
> Tommy
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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

why does he need to respond Tommy?
Those of you who don't like the BP can bid or not 
if you choose, HA isn't going to eliminate the BP 
because some people don't like it

so what comment would he make?
they have a BP. It's not a hidden cost. When I 
buy something, my only concern is getting it for 
a price I can deal with. Lately, because I'm 
largely winnowed down to needing the expensive or 
rare items, I'm having to deal with bigger prices 
and almost nothing I buy is under $100. in which 
case the bp means nothing to me, especially as I 
account for it when I'm bidding, always. I have a 
little paper chart next to the computer for the 
sig auctions so I can check it easily


the first time I ever bid in a live auction, I 
was confused by the BP. This would have been at a 
local auction to where I was living at the time. 
First time I bid at Christies in the 1980s, they had a BP.

I've grown up paying BP..

if I don't want to pay the BP, I don't bid.
exactly what solution would you be expecting Grey to post for you?

Rich


At 03:44 PM 6/17/2016, Tommy Barr wrote:
'Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. 
he's making money for his employer'


Really? We know HA access this site as they 
promote their listings here, but he is so busy 
making money that he simply ignores a forum of 
collector/dealers, possibly some of his best 
clients, when his business model is being 
criticized, and that's not corporate arrogance?




On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:29 PM, MPB Warehouse 
<wareho...@comic-art.com> wrote:

unlike HA who have no outlay other than the cost of listing the item.


sorry Tommy, that is such a simplistic 
definition of the work involved in A) listing 
material for sale.. and B) being in business


I wish it was as simple as snapping my fingers, 
but first you have to gather (in HA's case) 500 posters

then you have to send them down to the photography dept
then they have to be individually catalogued
then the catalogued list needs to be converted or uploaded etc to the site
you have to promote the auctions
you have to answer the questions
then you have to have the orders pulled individually
you have to send them down to shipping
shipping has top package & post them
all that is just the A)

the B) is that you have to pay for your website, your rent, your lights.
you have to pay your employees, your software designer
you have to pay for all that advertising you do

I probably haven't even touched the surface

this is why I have fewer auctions, even when we 
work out the bugs on the new software - the 
labor is extensive and I have other stuff to do




as I said before, the silence from HA on this forum is quite deafening.


Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. 
he's making money for his employer




Tommy

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Kirby 
McDaniel <ki...@movieart.com> wrote:

David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHING?
Thanks, David.
Kirby McDaniel


On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David 
<shadow@gmail.com> wrote:
Have read all comments I guess the overriding 
point is going to be one of cost. Like 
everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200 
poster as it does a $20 and so rather than 
turn away business at the bottom end HA are 
are simply going to charge you for it - why 
shouldn't they? How many dealers sell posters for a $1, and are happy to do so?
I bet there is very few, most would not even 
bother stocking a $1 poster let alone selling 
one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1 - by 
the time eBay take their slice of the action, 
the cost of materials, your time what's left for you?
For others who sell via their websites you 
probably already know you can set a minimum 
purchase value on the shopping cart - if you 
have set one then what's the difference between you and HA?

It's expensive to sell stuff cheap.

David


Tommy Barr wrote on 16/06/2016 7:21 PM:
Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage 
Auctions is charging a minimum buyer's 
commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder how they justify that?

Tommy


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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Susan]

Hey,
  Give the guy the benefit of the doubt.  Maybe he's not in the office for the 
past couple of days.  I know he has kids college age, so maybe he's out of 
state at a graduation.  I know in the past, he is usually quick to respond to 
any questions we have here on the forumjust a thought..
 
Sue
Hollywood Poster Frames
 
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:44:39 +0100
From: tommymb...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU

'Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. he's making money for his 
employer'
Really? We know HA access this site as they promote their listings here, but he 
is so busy making money that he simply ignores a forum of collector/dealers, 
possibly some of his best clients, when his business model is being criticized, 
and that's not corporate arrogance?



On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:29 PM, MPB Warehouse  wrote:


unlike HA who have no outlay
other than the cost of listing the item.

sorry Tommy, that is such a simplistic definition of the work involved in
A) listing material for sale.. and B) being in business


I wish it was as simple as snapping my fingers, but first you have to
gather (in HA's case) 500 posters

then you have to send them down to the photography dept

then they have to be individually catalogued

then the catalogued list needs to be converted or uploaded etc to the
site

you have to promote the auctions

you have to answer the questions

then you have to have the orders pulled individually

you have to send them down to shipping

shipping has top package & post them

all that is just the A)


the B) is that you have to pay for your website, your rent, your
lights.

you have to pay your employees, your software designer

you have to pay for all that advertising you do


I probably haven't even touched the surface


this is why I have fewer auctions, even when we work out the bugs on the
new software - the labor is extensive and I have other stuff to
do




as I said before, the silence
from HA on this forum is quite deafening.

Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. he's making money for his
employer




Tommy


On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Kirby McDaniel

wrote:



David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHING?



Thanks, David.



Kirby McDaniel





On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David

wrote:



Have read all comments I guess the overriding point is going to be
one of cost. Like everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200 poster as
it does a $20 and so rather than turn away business at the bottom end HA
are are simply going to charge you for it - why shouldn't they? How many
dealers sell posters for a $1, and are happy to do so?



I bet there is very few, most would not even bother stocking a $1
poster let alone selling one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1 - by
the time eBay take their slice of the action, the cost of materials, your
time what's left for you?



For others who sell via their websites you probably already know you
can set a minimum purchase value on the shopping cart - if you have set
one then what's the difference between you and HA?



It's expensive to sell stuff cheap.





David






Tommy Barr wrote on 16/06/2016 7:21 PM:


Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is charging a
minimum buyer's commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder how
they justify that? 



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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Richard C Evans]

nally, as a collector/consumer I do like Heritage and I like Bruce at 
>> emovieposter. The auctions are well run.   Accurate descriptions.  
>> Pictures.  Billing and packing are easy.  A lot done digitally.   Heritage 
>> Live on a mobile platform is very impressive tech.  In my area of work,  
>> I am always reminding people to focus on the consumer and both of them have 
>> done that.   Very well.And if you focus on the consumer first,  you will 
>> always win.(Steve Jobs lesson)  
>> 
>> Thank you all for your thoughts.  I enjoy these type of discussions as I 
>> learn more about the hobby and the business of posters.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Ira
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> 
>> From: MoPo List < mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> on behalf of Simon Oram < 
>> fab5fre...@btinternet.com>
>> Reply-To: Simon Oram < fab5fre...@btinternet.com>
>> Date: Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 10:41 AM
>> To: " MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU" < MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>
>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
>> 
>> Yes I think Wim pointed out by what you wrote Ira..”dominant” by definition 
>> that means, control or power over others and when that happens a market 
>> becomes stale and unexciting, the business of collecting and dealing did 
>> seem all more exciting a few years back. 
>>  
>> It also seems to me that allot of people who had taken up collecting around 
>> the millennium mark are, dropping like flies out of the market place, 
>> selling up and moving on from it. I can only write what I have been told 
>> but, I have been asking. Heritage promises the world to it’s consignors and 
>> they expect to get it, it’s a possibility that people only trust them with 
>> it.
>>  
>> Simon 
>> From: Wim Jansen 
>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 3:09 PM
>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
>>  
>>> I would say as a animation collector too,  I was very impressed with their 
>>> recent animation auction.   They have quickly become the dominant auction 
>>> house for animation art.  
>>  
>> There’s your answer, coming into the market, flooding it with volume and 
>> eliminate the original expert dealers without needing the expertise. Then 
>> after that you raise your percentages. 
>> I have bought quite a few posters with Heritage and i do trust and value 
>> Grey as a straight business guy and a very knowledgable expert, but I always 
>> have niggles in the deal after the purchase. In those events I have had 
>> contact with a lot of people. It seems like the entire back office consists 
>> of temps, there’s a huge turnover of personnel. That does not feel good.
>>  
>> Wim
>>> Op 16 jun. 2016, om 15:27 heeft Ira Rubenstein  het 
>>> volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>> I think you will see that through this move,   Heritage will eliminate 
>>> people listing lower priced items. As a business if they can focus on 
>>> higher ticket items there is a higher return per item.There is a fixed 
>>> labor cost per item you list,  and as a business obviously you want to 
>>> maximize your return per item.  
>>>  
>>> I am not saying the increase on a min charge is right or wrong.  To me it 
>>> is just a business decision.  I would say as a animation collector too, 
>>>  I was very impressed with their recent animation auction.   They have 
>>> quickly become the dominant auction house for animation art.   
>>>  
>>> I am curious to the last statement about how the Film Poster Business has 
>>> lost a lot because of Heritage and their patrons. I am a collector and 
>>> not a dealer.How has Heritage hurt the business?   Is that a overall 
>>> Dealer perspective?   
>>>  
>>> I would also agree with the other statement that there are lots of other 
>>> venues and in a free trade society,  if something gets out of whack, there 
>>> will always be something new to balance it.   
>>>  
>>> Anyway,  my .02.   
>>>  
>>> Ira
>>> From: MoPo List < mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> on behalf of Simon Oram < 
>>> fab5fre...@btinternet.com>
>>> Reply-To: " fab5fre...@btinternet.com" < fab5fre...@btinternet.com>
>>> Date: Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 7:41 AM
>>> To: " MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU" < MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>
>>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
>>

Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Tommy Barr]

Rich,

I've always enjoyed doing business with you so hope we're not going to fall
out over this, but I don't really understand why you fell the need to be
the apologist for HA. My original question was not about the BP per se, but
about the increase from $14 to $19, and that's what I was seeking
justification for. Anyway, midnight here in UK and I'm off to bed. I think
this particular topic has just about run its distance. Night all.

Tommy

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art <
sa...@comic-art.com> wrote:

> why does he need to respond Tommy?
> Those of you who don't like the BP can bid or not if you choose, HA isn't
> going to eliminate the BP because some people don't like it
> so what comment would he make?
> they have a BP. It's not a hidden cost. When I buy something, my only
> concern is getting it for a price I can deal with. Lately, because I'm
> largely winnowed down to needing the expensive or rare items, I'm having to
> deal with bigger prices and almost nothing I buy is under $100. in which
> case the bp means nothing to me, especially as I account for it when I'm
> bidding, always. I have a little paper chart next to the computer for the
> sig auctions so I can check it easily
>
> the first time I ever bid in a live auction, I was confused by the BP.
> This would have been at a local auction to where I was living at the time.
> First time I bid at Christies in the 1980s, they had a BP.
> I've grown up paying BP..
>
> if I don't want to pay the BP, I don't bid.
> exactly what solution would you be expecting Grey to post for you?
>
> Rich
>
>
> At 03:44 PM 6/17/2016, Tommy Barr wrote:
>
> 'Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. he's making money for his
> employer'
>
> Really? We know HA access this site as they promote their listings here,
> but he is so busy making money that he simply ignores a forum of
> collector/dealers, possibly some of his best clients, when his business
> model is being criticized, and that's not corporate arrogance?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:29 PM, MPB Warehouse  > wrote:
>
> unlike HA who have no outlay other than the cost of listing the item.
>
>
> sorry Tommy, that is such a simplistic definition of the work involved in
> A) listing material for sale.. and B) being in business
>
> I wish it was as simple as snapping my fingers, but first you have to
> gather (in HA's case) 500 posters
> then you have to send them down to the photography dept
> then they have to be individually catalogued
> then the catalogued list needs to be converted or uploaded etc to the site
> you have to promote the auctions
> you have to answer the questions
> then you have to have the orders pulled individually
> you have to send them down to shipping
> shipping has top package & post them
> all that is just the A)
>
> the B) is that you have to pay for your website, your rent, your lights.
> you have to pay your employees, your software designer
> you have to pay for all that advertising you do
>
> I probably haven't even touched the surface
>
> this is why I have fewer auctions, even when we work out the bugs on the
> new software - the labor is extensive and I have other stuff to do
>
>
> as I said before, the silence from HA on this forum is quite deafening.
>
>
> Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. he's making money for his
> employer
>
>
> Tommy
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Kirby McDaniel 
> wrote: David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHING?
> Thanks, David.
> Kirby McDaniel
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David  > wrote:
> Have read all comments I guess the overriding point is going to be one of
> cost. Like everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200 poster as it does a
> $20 and so rather than turn away business at the bottom end HA are are
> simply going to charge you for it - why shouldn't they? How many dealers
> sell posters for a $1, and are happy to do so?
> I bet there is very few, most would not even bother stocking a $1 poster
> let alone selling one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1 - by the time
> eBay take their slice of the action, the cost of materials, your time
> what's left for you?
> For others who sell via their websites you probably already know you can
> set a minimum purchase value on the shopping cart - if you have set one
> then what's the difference between you and HA?
> It's expensive to sell stuff cheap.
>
> David
>
>
> Tommy Barr wrote on 16/06/2016 7:21 PM:
>
> Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is charging a
> minimum buyer's commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder how
> they justify that?
> Tommy
>
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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Doug Taylor]

I haven’t needed to call on Grey that often, but he has always been pretty
quick to respond to me.  I suspect he’s out of touch, somehow.  It is school
break in the US and he is between auctions.

 

Regards

 

Doug Taylor

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From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Susan
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 6:58 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

 

Hey,
  Give the guy the benefit of the doubt.  Maybe he's not in the office for
the past couple of days.  I know he has kids college age, so maybe he's out
of state at a graduation.  I know in the past, he is usually quick to
respond to any questions we have here on the forumjust a thought..
 
Sue
Hollywood Poster Frames
 

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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:44:39 +0100
From: tommymb...@gmail.com <mailto:tommymb...@gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> 

'Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. he's making money for his
employer'

 

Really? We know HA access this site as they promote their listings here, but
he is so busy making money that he simply ignores a forum of
collector/dealers, possibly some of his best clients, when his business
model is being criticized, and that's not corporate arrogance?

 

 

 

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:29 PM, MPB Warehouse mailto:wareho...@comic-art.com> > wrote:

unlike HA who have no outlay other than the cost of listing the item.


sorry Tommy, that is such a simplistic definition of the work involved in A)
listing material for sale.. and B) being in business

I wish it was as simple as snapping my fingers, but first you have to gather
(in HA's case) 500 posters
then you have to send them down to the photography dept
then they have to be individually catalogued
then the catalogued list needs to be converted or uploaded etc to the site
you have to promote the auctions
you have to answer the questions
then you have to have the orders pulled individually
you have to send them down to shipping
shipping has top package & post them
all that is just the A)

the B) is that you have to pay for your website, your rent, your lights.
you have to pay your employees, your software designer
you have to pay for all that advertising you do

I probably haven't even touched the surface

this is why I have fewer auctions, even when we work out the bugs on the new
software - the labor is extensive and I have other stuff to do



as I said before, the silence from HA on this forum is quite deafening.


Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. he's making money for his
employer



Tommy

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Kirby McDaniel mailto:ki...@movieart.com> > wrote:

David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHING?

Thanks, David.

Kirby McDaniel



On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David mailto:shadow@gmail.com> > wrote:

Have read all comments I guess the overriding point is going to be one of
cost. Like everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200 poster as it does a
$20 and so rather than turn away business at the bottom end HA are are
simply going to charge you for it - why shouldn't they? How many dealers
sell posters for a $1, and are happy to do so?

I bet there is very few, most would not even bother stocking a $1 poster let
alone selling one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1 - by the time eBay
take their slice of the action, the cost of materials, your time what's left
for you?

For others who sell via their websites you probably already know you can set
a minimum purchase value on the shopping cart - if you have set one then
what's the difference between you and HA?

It's expensive to sell stuff cheap.



David




Tommy Barr wrote on 16/06/2016 7:21 PM:

Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is charging a minimum
buyer's commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder how they
justify that? 

Tommy


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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

don't be silly Tommy. I'm happy to discuss 
anything with anyone. different viewpoints are great
however I fail to see any reason for you to call 
me an apologist for Heritage. We're discussing 
something here, I'm expressing my viewpoint and 
my viewpoint only. I haven't spoken to Grey about 
this thread and I have no idea if he's aware of it.


but my points are all the same points I would make for any company or person.
obviously, they see the need to raise the BP. I 
haven't asked why, but seeing as I know my biz 
costs only go in one direction, that would be my suspicion.


have fun.. bid or not with HA, maybe that means I 
might not have to clash with one other collector ; - )



At 04:03 PM 6/17/2016, Tommy Barr wrote:

Rich,

I've always enjoyed doing business with you so 
hope we're not going to fall out over this, but 
I don't really understand why you fell the need 
to be the apologist for HA. My original question 
was not about the BP per se, but about the 
increase from $14 to $19, and that's what I was 
seeking justification for. Anyway, midnight here 
in UK and I'm off to bed. I think this 
particular topic has just about run its distance. Night all.


TommyÂ

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Richard 
Halegua Comic Art <sa...@comic-art.com> wrote:

why does he need to respond Tommy?
Those of you who don't like the BP can bid or 
not if you choose, HA isn't going to eliminate 
the BP because some people don't like it

so what comment would he make?
they have a BP. It's not a hidden cost. When I 
buy something, my only concern is getting it for 
a price I can deal with. Lately, because I'm 
largely winnowed down to needing the expensive 
or rare items, I'm having to deal with bigger 
prices and almost nothing I buy is under $100. 
in which case the bp means nothing to me, 
especially as I account for it when I'm bidding, 
always. I have a little paper chart next to the 
computer for the sig auctions so I can check it easily


the first time I ever bid in a live auction, I 
was confused by the BP. This would have been at 
a local auction to where I was living at the 
time. First time I bid at Christies in the 1980s, they had a BP.

I've grown up paying BP..

if I don't want to pay the BP, I don't bid.
exactly what solution would you be expecting Grey to post for you?

Rich


At 03:44 PM 6/17/2016, Tommy Barr wrote:
'Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. 
he's making money for his employer'


Really? We know HA access this site as they 
promote their listings here, but he is so busy 
making money that he simply ignores a forum of 
collector/dealers, possibly some of his best 
clients, when his business model is being 
criticized, and that's not corporate arrogance?




On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:29 PM, MPB Warehouse 
<wareho...@comic-art.com > wrote:

unlike HA who have no outlay other than the cost of listing the item.


sorry Tommy, that is such a simplistic 
definition of the work involved in A) listing 
material for sale.. and B) being in business


I wish it was as simple as snapping my fingers, 
but first you have to gather (in HA's case) 500 posters

then you have to send them down to the photography dept
then they have to be individually catalogued
then the catalogued list needs to be converted or uploaded etc to the site
you have to promote the auctions
you have to answer the questions
then you have to have the orders pulled individually
you have to send them down to shipping
shipping has top package & post them
all that is just the A)

the B) is that you have to pay for your website, your rent, your lights.
you have to pay your employees, your software designer
you have to pay for all that advertising you do

I probably haven't even touched the surface

this is why I have fewer auctions, even when we 
work out the bugs on the new software - the 
labor is extensive and I have other stuff to do




as I said before, the silence from HA on this forum is quite deafening.


Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. 
he's making money for his employer




Tommy

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Kirby 
McDaniel <ki...@movieart.com> wrote:

David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHHING?
Thanks, David.
Kirby McDaniel


On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David 
<shadow@gmail.com> wrote:
Have read all comments I guess the overriding 
point is going to be one of cost. Like 
everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200 
poster as it does a $20 and so rather than 
turn away business at the bottom end HA are 
are simply going to charge you for it - why 
shouldn't they? How many dealers sell posters 
for a $1, and are happy to do so?
I bet there is very few, most would not even 
bother stocking a $1 poster let alone selling 
one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1 - by 
the time eBay take their slice of the action, 
the cost of materials, your time what's left fo

Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[filip de volder]

exactely Tommy ,  it's like they're taking some insurance but it gets paid by 
the  buyer so if others bid besides you and it goes just over what heritage 
fixes then you'll be paying less then winning the poster just under that fixed 
line and getting taxed 19$ ?If Bruce can run auctions the way he does with 
everything starting at 1$  and continually keep his business growing then i 
think the only word here with this 19$ policy is greed , i guess heritage 
suffers from the ebay syndrome , keep on pushing to see how far it bends 
without snapping in your face 
filip


Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:07:08 +0100
From: tommymb...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU

Sorry, but that's missing the point. HA do not have to sell posters for low 
amounts, they are choosing to do it, and then asking the buyer to pay for their 
decision. If I want to sell a poster for $10 I don't say the poster will cost 
you $10 but I also want a further $19 for my trouble.I could try selling it for 
a fixed price of $29 but if that is way above its market value who is going to 
buy it?  Anyway, I have bought and own the poster and hope someone else might 
want it, unlike HA who have no outlay other than the cost of listing the item. 
They are attracting consignors with low value posters because they know that 
even if the consignor only makes a few cents they will still make quite big 
bucks. No reason why they shouldn't, indeed, just as there is no reason why the 
collector should avoid such one-sided business practice.  And, as I said 
before, the silence from HA on this forum is quite deafening.
Tommy
On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Kirby McDaniel  wrote:
David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHING?
Thanks, David.
Kirby McDaniel

On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David  wrote:

  

  
  Have read all comments I guess the overriding point is going to
  be one of cost. Like everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200
  poster as it does a $20 and so rather than turn away business at
  the bottom end HA are are simply going to charge you for it - why
  shouldn't they? How many dealers sell posters for a $1, and are
  happy to do so?


I bet there is very few, most would not even bother stocking a $1
  poster let alone selling one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1
  - by the time eBay take their slice of the action, the cost of
  materials, your time what's left for you?
For others who sell via their websites you probably already know
  you can set a minimum purchase value on the shopping cart - if you
  have set one then what's the difference between you and HA?
It's expensive to sell stuff cheap.



David








Tommy Barr wrote on 16/06/2016 7:21 PM:



  Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage
Auctions is charging a minimum buyer's commission of $19, an
increase of 36%. I just wonder how they justify that?



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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Smith, Grey - 1367]

Sorry for the delay in responding. I've been preparing my July catalog so my 
time on MOPO has been reduced. I think that many of the answers that you've 
read from some MOPO members here are indeed correct. Heritage made the decision 
to raise its minimum Buyer's Premium on lots selling below $100 which, by the 
way, I argued against, but which the executive team believed necessary due to 
our expense structure.

Frankly, to believe that we have little expense involved in selling these 
posters other than just "listing material" is a bit naïve. Heritage employs 
roughly 500 personnel in over ten cities with showrooms and overhead in the US, 
Europe and Asia. We have 30 web programmers and IT staff alone, along with 
accounting, photography, legal, marketing, etc. Saying this was done out of 
greed is again unfair; Heritage did it so that it could continue to offer lower 
priced lots singly rather than in bulk without losing money on them.

Posters selling for less than $100 are limited in each weekly, but some of our 
buyers really appreciate being able to buy just the posters they want rather 
than having to buy groups. And I think nearly all of our consignors prefer to 
sell their posters either singly or in the smallest groups possible. Of course 
any consignors who prefer not having the $19 come into play with their lots can 
ask us to group-lot any posters we think might sell for less than $100, and we 
will happily do so.

The buyer's premium, as stated well by David, is indeed prominently displayed 
whenever you wish to make a bid or to raise a bid. There is nothing deceptive 
nor mysterious about that, in my opinion, and as stated so well by Rich, it is 
the buyer's choice to accept or not.

I don't believe I have more to say concerning this and for those who feel it is 
an undue increase or financial burden to them, I regret that, because I do care 
very much about my buyers (and consignors).

But again, the bottom line is that it was the only way Heritage management 
could justify our continuing to offer posters valued under $100, without 
automatically auctioning them in bulk lots that would bring at least $100 
hammer per lot.



From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of filip de 
volder
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 6:52 AM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

exactely Tommy ,  it's like they're taking some insurance but it gets paid by 
the  buyer
so if others bid besides you and it goes just over what heritage fixes then 
you'll be paying less then winning the poster just under that fixed line and 
getting taxed 19$ ?
If Bruce can run auctions the way he does with everything starting at 1$  and 
continually keep his business growing then i think the only word here with this 
19$ policy is greed , i guess heritage suffers from the ebay syndrome , keep on 
pushing to see how far it bends without snapping in your face

filip




Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:07:08 +0100
From: tommymb...@gmail.com<mailto:tommymb...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU<mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>
Sorry, but that's missing the point. HA do not have to sell posters for low 
amounts, they are choosing to do it, and then asking the buyer to pay for their 
decision. If I want to sell a poster for $10 I don't say the poster will cost 
you $10 but I also want a further $19 for my trouble.I could try selling it for 
a fixed price of $29 but if that is way above its market value who is going to 
buy it?  Anyway, I have bought and own the poster and hope someone else might 
want it, unlike HA who have no outlay other than the cost of listing the item. 
They are attracting consignors with low value posters because they know that 
even if the consignor only makes a few cents they will still make quite big 
bucks. No reason why they shouldn't, indeed, just as there is no reason why the 
collector should avoid such one-sided business practice.  And, as I said 
before, the silence from HA on this forum is quite deafening.

Tommy

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Kirby McDaniel 
mailto:ki...@movieart.com>> wrote:
David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHING?

Thanks, David.

Kirby McDaniel


On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David 
mailto:shadow@gmail.com>> wrote:

Have read all comments I guess the overriding point is going to be one of cost. 
Like everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200 poster as it does a $20 and 
so rather than turn away business at the bottom end HA are are simply going to 
charge you for it - why shouldn't they? How many dealers sell posters for a $1, 
and are happy to do so?

I bet there is very few, most would not even bother stocking a $1 poster let 
alone selling one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1 - by the time eBay take 
their slice of the actio

Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Tommy Barr]

Pardon my cynicism but listing 10 posters in bulk with a value, say, of $10
each, might raise a bid of $100, which would give HA $19.50 in buyers'
premium. Listing them separately and attracting bids of around $10 each
gives HA buyers' premium of $190. So is the decision really to benefit the
buyers?

Tommy

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Smith, Grey - 1367  wrote:

> Sorry for the delay in responding. I’ve been preparing my July catalog so
> my time on MOPO has been reduced. I think that many of the answers that
> you’ve read from some MOPO members here are indeed correct. Heritage made
> the decision to raise its minimum Buyer’s Premium on lots selling below
> $100 which, by the way, I argued against, but which the executive team
> believed necessary due to our expense structure.
>
>
>
> Frankly, to believe that we have little expense involved in selling these
> posters other than just “listing material” is a bit naïve. Heritage employs
> roughly 500 personnel in over ten cities with showrooms and overhead in the
> US, Europe and Asia. We have 30 web programmers and IT staff alone, along
> with accounting, photography, legal, marketing, etc. Saying this was done
> out of greed is again unfair; Heritage did it so that it could continue to
> offer lower priced lots singly rather than in bulk without losing money on
> them.
>
>
>
> Posters selling for less than $100 are limited in each weekly, but some of
> our buyers really appreciate being able to buy just the posters they want
> rather than having to buy groups. And I think nearly all of our consignors
> prefer to sell their posters either singly or in the smallest groups
> possible. Of course any consignors who prefer not having the $19 come into
> play with their lots can ask us to group-lot any posters we think might
> sell for less than $100, and we will happily do so.
>
>
>
> The buyer’s premium, as stated well by David, is indeed prominently
> displayed whenever you wish to make a bid or to raise a bid. There is
> nothing deceptive nor mysterious about that, in my opinion, and as stated
> so well by Rich, it is the buyer’s choice to accept or not.
>
>
>
> I don’t believe I have more to say concerning this and for those who feel
> it is an undue increase or financial burden to them, I regret that, because
> I do care very much about my buyers (and consignors).
>
>
>
> But again, the bottom line is that it was the only way Heritage management
> could justify our continuing to offer posters valued under $100, without
> automatically auctioning them in bulk lots that would bring at least $100
> hammer per lot.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] *On Behalf Of *filip
> de volder
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2016 6:52 AM
> *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
>
>
>
> exactely Tommy ,  it's like they're taking some insurance but it gets paid
> by the  buyer
>
> so if others bid besides you and it goes just over what heritage fixes
> then you'll be paying less then winning the poster just under that fixed
> line and getting taxed 19$ ?
>
> If Bruce can run auctions the way he does with everything starting at 1$
>  and continually keep his business growing then i think the only word here
> with this 19$ policy is greed , i guess heritage suffers from the ebay
> syndrome , keep on pushing to see how far it bends without snapping in your
> face
>
>
>
> filip
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:07:08 +0100
> From: tommymb...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
>
> Sorry, but that's missing the point. HA do not have to sell posters for
> low amounts, they are choosing to do it, and then asking the buyer to pay
> for their decision. If I want to sell a poster for $10 I don't say the
> poster will cost you $10 but I also want a further $19 for my trouble.I
> could try selling it for a fixed price of $29 but if that is way above its
> market value who is going to buy it?  Anyway, I have bought and own the
> poster and hope someone else might want it, unlike HA who have no outlay
> other than the cost of listing the item. They are attracting consignors
> with low value posters because they know that even if the consignor only
> makes a few cents they will still make quite big bucks. No reason why they
> shouldn't, indeed, just as there is no reason why the collector should
> avoid such one-sided business practice.  And, as I said before, the silence
> from HA on this forum is quite deafening.
>
>
>
> Tommy
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 201

Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Phillip Ayling]

Grey,

 

Thanks so much for chiming in and offering an “official” response. It is
appreciated.

 

From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Smith,
Grey - 1367
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:13 AM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

 

Sorry for the delay in responding. I’ve been preparing my July catalog so my
time on MOPO has been reduced. I think that many of the answers that you’ve
read from some MOPO members here are indeed correct. Heritage made the
decision to raise its minimum Buyer’s Premium on lots selling below $100
which, by the way, I argued against, but which the executive team believed
necessary due to our expense structure.

 

Frankly, to believe that we have little expense involved in selling these
posters other than just “listing material” is a bit naïve. Heritage employs
roughly 500 personnel in over ten cities with showrooms and overhead in the
US, Europe and Asia. We have 30 web programmers and IT staff alone, along
with accounting, photography, legal, marketing, etc. Saying this was done
out of greed is again unfair; Heritage did it so that it could continue to
offer lower priced lots singly rather than in bulk without losing money on
them.

 

Posters selling for less than $100 are limited in each weekly, but some of
our buyers really appreciate being able to buy just the posters they want
rather than having to buy groups. And I think nearly all of our consignors
prefer to sell their posters either singly or in the smallest groups
possible. Of course any consignors who prefer not having the $19 come into
play with their lots can ask us to group-lot any posters we think might sell
for less than $100, and we will happily do so. 

 

The buyer’s premium, as stated well by David, is indeed prominently
displayed whenever you wish to make a bid or to raise a bid. There is
nothing deceptive nor mysterious about that, in my opinion, and as stated so
well by Rich, it is the buyer’s choice to accept or not.

 

I don’t believe I have more to say concerning this and for those who feel it
is an undue increase or financial burden to them, I regret that, because I
do care very much about my buyers (and consignors).

 

But again, the bottom line is that it was the only way Heritage management
could justify our continuing to offer posters valued under $100, without
automatically auctioning them in bulk lots that would bring at least $100
hammer per lot.

 

 

 

From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of filip de
volder
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 6:52 AM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> 
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

 

exactely Tommy ,  it's like they're taking some insurance but it gets paid
by the  buyer 

so if others bid besides you and it goes just over what heritage fixes then
you'll be paying less then winning the poster just under that fixed line and
getting taxed 19$ ?

If Bruce can run auctions the way he does with everything starting at 1$
and continually keep his business growing then i think the only word here
with this 19$ policy is greed , i guess heritage suffers from the ebay
syndrome , keep on pushing to see how far it bends without snapping in your
face 

 

filip

 

 

 

  _  

Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:07:08 +0100
From: tommymb...@gmail.com <mailto:tommymb...@gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> 

Sorry, but that's missing the point. HA do not have to sell posters for low
amounts, they are choosing to do it, and then asking the buyer to pay for
their decision. If I want to sell a poster for $10 I don't say the poster
will cost you $10 but I also want a further $19 for my trouble.I could try
selling it for a fixed price of $29 but if that is way above its market
value who is going to buy it?  Anyway, I have bought and own the poster and
hope someone else might want it, unlike HA who have no outlay other than the
cost of listing the item. They are attracting consignors with low value
posters because they know that even if the consignor only makes a few cents
they will still make quite big bucks. No reason why they shouldn't, indeed,
just as there is no reason why the collector should avoid such one-sided
business practice.  And, as I said before, the silence from HA on this forum
is quite deafening.

 

Tommy

 

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Kirby McDaniel mailto:ki...@movieart.com> > wrote:

David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHING?

 

Thanks, David.

 

Kirby McDaniel

 

 

On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David mailto:shadow@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Have read all comments I guess the overriding point is going to be one of
cost. Like everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200 poster as it does a
$20 and so rather than turn away business at the bottom end HA are are
simply going

Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Tommy Barr]

Just to say that, whether or not I agree with his response,  I am pleased
that Grey offered one, and I thank him for that. I think there appears to
be a European versus US difference in attitudes here - the US one being
'taking care of business' while the Europeans expect their capitalism to be
a bit more considerate of the client.

Tommy

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Phillip Ayling 
wrote:

> Grey,
>
>
>
> Thanks so much for chiming in and offering an “official” response. It is
> appreciated.
>
>
>
> *From:* MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Smith,
> Grey - 1367
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:13 AM
> *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
>
>
>
> Sorry for the delay in responding. I’ve been preparing my July catalog so
> my time on MOPO has been reduced. I think that many of the answers that
> you’ve read from some MOPO members here are indeed correct. Heritage made
> the decision to raise its minimum Buyer’s Premium on lots selling below
> $100 which, by the way, I argued against, but which the executive team
> believed necessary due to our expense structure.
>
>
>
> Frankly, to believe that we have little expense involved in selling these
> posters other than just “listing material” is a bit naïve. Heritage employs
> roughly 500 personnel in over ten cities with showrooms and overhead in the
> US, Europe and Asia. We have 30 web programmers and IT staff alone, along
> with accounting, photography, legal, marketing, etc. Saying this was done
> out of greed is again unfair; Heritage did it so that it could continue to
> offer lower priced lots singly rather than in bulk without losing money on
> them.
>
>
>
> Posters selling for less than $100 are limited in each weekly, but some of
> our buyers really appreciate being able to buy just the posters they want
> rather than having to buy groups. And I think nearly all of our consignors
> prefer to sell their posters either singly or in the smallest groups
> possible. Of course any consignors who prefer not having the $19 come into
> play with their lots can ask us to group-lot any posters we think might
> sell for less than $100, and we will happily do so.
>
>
>
> The buyer’s premium, as stated well by David, is indeed prominently
> displayed whenever you wish to make a bid or to raise a bid. There is
> nothing deceptive nor mysterious about that, in my opinion, and as stated
> so well by Rich, it is the buyer’s choice to accept or not.
>
>
>
> I don’t believe I have more to say concerning this and for those who feel
> it is an undue increase or financial burden to them, I regret that, because
> I do care very much about my buyers (and consignors).
>
>
>
> But again, the bottom line is that it was the only way Heritage management
> could justify our continuing to offer posters valued under $100, without
> automatically auctioning them in bulk lots that would bring at least $100
> hammer per lot.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> ] *On Behalf Of *filip de volder
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2016 6:52 AM
> *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
>
>
>
> exactely Tommy ,  it's like they're taking some insurance but it gets paid
> by the  buyer
>
> so if others bid besides you and it goes just over what heritage fixes
> then you'll be paying less then winning the poster just under that fixed
> line and getting taxed 19$ ?
>
> If Bruce can run auctions the way he does with everything starting at 1$
>  and continually keep his business growing then i think the only word here
> with this 19$ policy is greed , i guess heritage suffers from the ebay
> syndrome , keep on pushing to see how far it bends without snapping in your
> face
>
>
>
> filip
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:07:08 +0100
> From: tommymb...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
>
> Sorry, but that's missing the point. HA do not have to sell posters for
> low amounts, they are choosing to do it, and then asking the buyer to pay
> for their decision. If I want to sell a poster for $10 I don't say the
> poster will cost you $10 but I also want a further $19 for my trouble.I
> could try selling it for a fixed price of $29 but if that is way above its
> market value who is going to buy it?  Anyway, I have bought and own the
> poster and hope someone else might want it, unlike HA who have no outlay
> other than the cost of listing the item. They are attracting consignors
> with low valu

Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[filip de volder]

Greg , I can see why heritage employs 500 personnel as being in over 10 cities 
and on different continents auctioning coins ,  comics , real estate , art etc 
etc ... but you can't state that as an explanation of your expenses for the 
movie poster department . if heritage is comparable to other  big auction 
houses then i suppose your movie poster department is rather small As you say  
you were yourself against the decision i think your personal point of view may 
be quite close to the one Tommy has ,  criticism here is directed towards 
heritage as a money making business only ... 
filip

Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 15:21:37 +0100
From: tommymb...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU

Pardon my cynicism but listing 10 posters in bulk with a value, say, of $10 
each, might raise a bid of $100, which would give HA $19.50 in buyers' premium. 
Listing them separately and attracting bids of around $10 each gives HA buyers' 
premium of $190. So is the decision really to benefit the buyers?
Tommy
On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Smith, Grey - 1367  wrote:








Sorry for the delay in responding. I’ve been preparing my July catalog so my 
time on MOPO has been reduced. I think that many of the answers that you’ve read
 from some MOPO members here are indeed correct. Heritage made the decision to 
raise its minimum Buyer’s Premium on lots selling below $100 which, by the way, 
I argued against, but which the executive team believed necessary due to our 
expense structure.
 
Frankly, to believe that we have little expense involved in selling these 
posters other than just “listing material” is a bit naïve. Heritage employs 
roughly
 500 personnel in over ten cities with showrooms and overhead in the US, Europe 
and Asia. We have 30 web programmers and IT staff alone, along with accounting, 
photography, legal, marketing, etc. Saying this was done out of greed is again 
unfair; Heritage did
 it so that it could continue to offer lower priced lots singly rather than in 
bulk without losing money on them.
 
Posters selling for less than $100 are limited in each weekly, but some of our 
buyers really appreciate being able to buy just the posters they want rather 
than
 having to buy groups. And I think nearly all of our consignors prefer to sell 
their posters either singly or in the smallest groups possible. Of course any 
consignors who prefer not having the $19 come into play with their lots can ask 
us to group-lot any
 posters we think might sell for less than $100, and we will happily do so. 

 
The buyer’s premium, as stated well by David, is indeed prominently displayed 
whenever you wish to make a bid or to raise a bid. There is nothing deceptive 
nor
 mysterious about that, in my opinion, and as stated so well by Rich, it is the 
buyer’s choice to accept or not.
 
I don’t believe I have more to say concerning this and for those who feel it is 
an undue increase or financial burden to them, I regret that, because I do care
 very much about my buyers (and consignors).
 
But again, the bottom line is that it was the only way Heritage management 
could justify our continuing to offer posters valued under $100, without 
automatically
 auctioning them in bulk lots that would bring at least $100 hammer per lot.
 
 
 


From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU]
On Behalf Of filip de volder

Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 6:52 AM

To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU

Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges


 

exactely Tommy ,  it's like they're taking some insurance but it gets paid by 
the  buyer 

so if others bid besides you and it goes just over what heritage fixes then 
you'll be paying less then winning the poster just under that fixed line and 
getting taxed 19$ ?

If Bruce can run auctions the way he does with everything starting at 1$  and 
continually keep his business growing then i think the only word here with this 
19$ policy is greed , i guess heritage
 suffers from the ebay syndrome , keep on pushing to see how far it bends 
without snapping in your face 


 


filip


 

 

 




Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:07:08 +0100

From: tommymb...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU

Sorry, but that's missing the point. HA do not have to sell posters for low 
amounts, they are choosing to do it, and then asking the buyer to pay for their 
decision. If I want to sell a poster
 for $10 I don't say the poster will cost you $10 but I also want a further $19 
for my trouble.I could try selling it for a fixed price of $29 but if that is 
way above its market value who is going to buy it?  Anyway, I have bought and 
own the poster and hope
 someone else might want it, unlike HA who have no outlay other than the cost 
of listing the item. They are attracting consignors with low value posters 
because they know that even if the consignor only makes a few cents they will 
still make quite 

Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Evan Zweifel]

The problem with having both buyers premiums and seller fees is that it becomes 
very difficult to determine what the “value” of a poster is.  I think that you 
are talking about the HA hammer price.  In your example, the $10 hammer results 
in the buying paying 29.50 and the seller receives $8.50 – it seems, to me that 
the “value” of the poster is 29.50 and the seller is losing 61% in the 
transaction (emovieposter would take 50% btw).  I guess this is why they call 
this collecting, and not investing!

It seems that in your example, if the buyers were willing to pay 29.50 for the 
10 posters, then by bulking them together, the would be willing to to pay 
295.00 for the lot!  At which the seller would receive considerably more than 
$100!

But, since a VAST majority of the items in the weekly sell for less that $100 
(see for yourself at 
http://movieposters.ha.com/c/print-prices-realized.zx?saleNo=161624&ic=homepage_printerversion_archive),
 I suspect that their strategy is to list anything that will get a bid and hope 
some better pieces get consigned.  

But perhaps that’s just the cynic in me.

Evan


From: Tommy Barr 
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 10:21 AM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

Pardon my cynicism but listing 10 posters in bulk with a value, say, of $10 
each, might raise a bid of $100, which would give HA $19.50 in buyers' premium. 
Listing them separately and attracting bids of around $10 each gives HA buyers' 
premium of $190. So is the decision really to benefit the buyers? 

Tommy

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Smith, Grey - 1367  wrote:

  Sorry for the delay in responding. I’ve been preparing my July catalog so my 
time on MOPO has been reduced. I think that many of the answers that you’ve 
read from some MOPO members here are indeed correct. Heritage made the decision 
to raise its minimum Buyer’s Premium on lots selling below $100 which, by the 
way, I argued against, but which the executive team believed necessary due to 
our expense structure.



  Frankly, to believe that we have little expense involved in selling these 
posters other than just “listing material” is a bit naïve. Heritage employs 
roughly 500 personnel in over ten cities with showrooms and overhead in the US, 
Europe and Asia. We have 30 web programmers and IT staff alone, along with 
accounting, photography, legal, marketing, etc. Saying this was done out of 
greed is again unfair; Heritage did it so that it could continue to offer lower 
priced lots singly rather than in bulk without losing money on them.



  Posters selling for less than $100 are limited in each weekly, but some of 
our buyers really appreciate being able to buy just the posters they want 
rather than having to buy groups. And I think nearly all of our consignors 
prefer to sell their posters either singly or in the smallest groups possible. 
Of course any consignors who prefer not having the $19 come into play with 
their lots can ask us to group-lot any posters we think might sell for less 
than $100, and we will happily do so. 



  The buyer’s premium, as stated well by David, is indeed prominently displayed 
whenever you wish to make a bid or to raise a bid. There is nothing deceptive 
nor mysterious about that, in my opinion, and as stated so well by Rich, it is 
the buyer’s choice to accept or not.



  I don’t believe I have more to say concerning this and for those who feel it 
is an undue increase or financial burden to them, I regret that, because I do 
care very much about my buyers (and consignors).



  But again, the bottom line is that it was the only way Heritage management 
could justify our continuing to offer posters valued under $100, without 
automatically auctioning them in bulk lots that would bring at least $100 
hammer per lot.







  From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of filip de 
volder
  Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 6:52 AM
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges



  exactely Tommy ,  it's like they're taking some insurance but it gets paid by 
the  buyer 

  so if others bid besides you and it goes just over what heritage fixes then 
you'll be paying less then winning the poster just under that fixed line and 
getting taxed 19$ ?

  If Bruce can run auctions the way he does with everything starting at 1$  and 
continually keep his business growing then i think the only word here with this 
19$ policy is greed , i guess heritage suffers from the ebay syndrome , keep on 
pushing to see how far it bends without snapping in your face 



  filip








--

  Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:07:08 +0100
  From: tommymb...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU

  Sorry, but that's missing the point. HA do not have to sell posters for low 
amounts, they are choo

Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[David]

And don't forget to add in sales tax if applicable, freight too.

So yes, I agree with Evan that is "why they call this collecting, and 
not investing!"


The answer therefore is to collect lint. Your own. And don't hang around 
the Lint Collecting Forums...



Evan Zweifel wrote on 19/06/2016 10:49 AM:
The problem with having both buyers premiums and seller fees is that 
it becomes very difficult to determine what the “value” of a poster 
is.  I think that you are talking about the HA hammer price.  In your 
example, the $10 hammer results in the buying paying 29.50 and the 
seller receives $8.50 – it seems, to me that the “value” of the poster 
is 29.50 and the seller is losing 61% in the transaction (emovieposter 
would take 50% btw).  I guess this is why they call this collecting, 
and not investing!
It seems that in your example, if the buyers were willing to pay 29.50 
for the 10 posters, then by bulking them together, the would be 
willing to to pay 295.00 for the lot!  At which the seller would 
receive considerably more than $100!
But, since a VAST majority of the items in the weekly sell for less 
that $100 (see for yourself at 
http://movieposters.ha.com/c/print-prices-realized.zx?saleNo=161624&ic=homepage_printerversion_archive), 
I suspect that their strategy is to list anything that will get a bid 
and hope some better pieces get consigned.

But perhaps that’s just the cynic in me.
Evan
*From:* Tommy Barr <mailto:tommymb...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2016 10:21 AM
*To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>
*Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
Pardon my cynicism but listing 10 posters in bulk with a value, say, 
of $10 each, might raise a bid of $100, which would give HA $19.50 in 
buyers' premium. Listing them separately and attracting bids of around 
$10 each gives HA buyers' premium of $190. So is the decision really 
to benefit the buyers?

Tommy
On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Smith, Grey - 1367 <mailto:gre...@ha.com>> wrote:


Sorry for the delay in responding. I’ve been preparing my July
catalog so my time on MOPO has been reduced. I think that many of
the answers that you’ve read from some MOPO members here are
indeed correct. Heritage made the decision to raise its minimum
Buyer’s Premium on lots selling below $100 which, by the way, I
argued against, but which the executive team believed necessary
due to our expense structure.

Frankly, to believe that we have little expense involved in
selling these posters other than just “listing material” is a bit
naïve. Heritage employs roughly 500 personnel in over ten cities
with showrooms and overhead in the US, Europe and Asia. We have 30
web programmers and IT staff alone, along with accounting,
photography, legal, marketing, etc. Saying this was done out of
greed is again unfair; Heritage did it so that it could continue
to offer lower priced lots singly rather than in bulk without
losing money on them.

Posters selling for less than $100 are limited in each weekly, but
some of our buyers really appreciate being able to buy just the
posters they want rather than having to buy groups. And I think
nearly all of our consignors prefer to sell their posters either
singly or in the smallest groups possible. Of course any
consignors who prefer not having the $19 come into play with their
lots can ask us to group-lot any posters we think might sell for
less than $100, and we will happily do so.

The buyer’s premium, as stated well by David, is indeed
prominently displayed whenever you wish to make a bid or to raise
a bid. There is nothing deceptive nor mysterious about that, in my
opinion, and as stated so well by Rich, it is the buyer’s choice
to accept or not.

I don’t believe I have more to say concerning this and for those
who feel it is an undue increase or financial burden to them, I
regret that, because I do care very much about my buyers (and
consignors).

But again, the bottom line is that it was the only way Heritage
management could justify our continuing to offer posters valued
under $100, without automatically auctioning them in bulk lots
that would bring at least $100 hammer per lot.

*From:*MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
<mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>] *On Behalf Of *filip de volder
*Sent:* Saturday, June 18, 2016 6:52 AM
*To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
    <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>
*Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

exactely Tommy ,  it's like they're taking some insurance but it
gets paid by the  buyer

so if others bid besides you and it goes just over what heritage
fixes then you'll be paying less then winning the poster just
under that fixed line and getting taxed 19$ ?

   

Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Richard C Evans]

Really, expectation of capitalism to be more benign here?

Hadn't noticed that.

I just think most people don't see it as such a big deal, especially if you 
break it down to what it will actually mean.




Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Jun 2016, at 18:04, Tommy Barr  wrote:
> 
> Just to say that, whether or not I agree with his response,  I am pleased 
> that Grey offered one, and I thank him for that. I think there appears to be 
> a European versus US difference in attitudes here - the US one being 'taking 
> care of business' while the Europeans expect their capitalism to be a bit 
> more considerate of the client. 
> 
> Tommy
> 
>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Phillip Ayling  wrote:
>> Grey,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks so much for chiming in and offering an “official” response. It is 
>> appreciated.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Smith, 
>> Grey - 1367
>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:13 AM
>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sorry for the delay in responding. I’ve been preparing my July catalog so my 
>> time on MOPO has been reduced. I think that many of the answers that you’ve 
>> read from some MOPO members here are indeed correct. Heritage made the 
>> decision to raise its minimum Buyer’s Premium on lots selling below $100 
>> which, by the way, I argued against, but which the executive team believed 
>> necessary due to our expense structure.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Frankly, to believe that we have little expense involved in selling these 
>> posters other than just “listing material” is a bit naïve. Heritage employs 
>> roughly 500 personnel in over ten cities with showrooms and overhead in the 
>> US, Europe and Asia. We have 30 web programmers and IT staff alone, along 
>> with accounting, photography, legal, marketing, etc. Saying this was done 
>> out of greed is again unfair; Heritage did it so that it could continue to 
>> offer lower priced lots singly rather than in bulk without losing money on 
>> them.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Posters selling for less than $100 are limited in each weekly, but some of 
>> our buyers really appreciate being able to buy just the posters they want 
>> rather than having to buy groups. And I think nearly all of our consignors 
>> prefer to sell their posters either singly or in the smallest groups 
>> possible. Of course any consignors who prefer not having the $19 come into 
>> play with their lots can ask us to group-lot any posters we think might sell 
>> for less than $100, and we will happily do so.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The buyer’s premium, as stated well by David, is indeed prominently 
>> displayed whenever you wish to make a bid or to raise a bid. There is 
>> nothing deceptive nor mysterious about that, in my opinion, and as stated so 
>> well by Rich, it is the buyer’s choice to accept or not.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I don’t believe I have more to say concerning this and for those who feel it 
>> is an undue increase or financial burden to them, I regret that, because I 
>> do care very much about my buyers (and consignors).
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> But again, the bottom line is that it was the only way Heritage management 
>> could justify our continuing to offer posters valued under $100, without 
>> automatically auctioning them in bulk lots that would bring at least $100 
>> hammer per lot.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of filip de 
>> volder
>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 6:52 AM
>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> exactely Tommy ,  it's like they're taking some insurance but it gets paid 
>> by the  buyer 
>> 
>> so if others bid besides you and it goes just over what heritage fixes then 
>> you'll be paying less then winning the poster just under that fixed line and 
>> getting taxed 19$ ?
>> 
>> If Bruce can run auctions the way he does with everything starting at 1$  
>> and continually keep his business growing then i think the only word here 
>> with this 19$ policy is greed , i guess heritage suffers from the ebay 
>> syndrome , keep on pushing to see how far it bends without snapping in your 
>> face 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> filip
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Date:

Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Simon Oram]

  Yes rampant capitalism here as well, see no us or them just like you say, apathy everywhere. I would like to collect film posters on films about capitalism, banks‎ and greed. Starting with a poster for American Madness, sorry no bias intended.SimonSent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.From: Richard C EvansSent: Sunday, 19 June 2016 11:33To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU‎Reply To: evan...@mac.comSubject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage chargesReally, expectation of capitalism to be more benign here?Hadn't noticed that.I just think most people don't see it as such a big deal, especially if you break it down to what it will actually mean.Sent from my iPhoneOn 18 Jun 2016, at 18:04, Tommy Barr <tommymb...@gmail.com> wrote:Just to say that, whether or not I agree with his response,  I am pleased that Grey offered one, and I thank him for that. I think there appears to be a European versus US difference in attitudes here - the US one being 'taking care of business' while the Europeans expect their capitalism to be a bit more considerate of the client. TommyOn Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Phillip Ayling <mro...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Grey, Thanks so much for chiming in and offering an “official” response. It is appreciated. From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Smith, Grey - 1367Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:13 AMTo: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUSubject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges Sorry for the delay in responding. I’ve been preparing my July catalog so my time on MOPO has been reduced. I think that many of the answers that you’ve read from some MOPO members here are indeed correct. Heritage made the decision to raise its minimum Buyer’s Premium on lots selling below $100 which, by the way, I argued against, but which the executive team believed necessary due to our expense structure. Frankly, to believe that we have little expense involved in selling these posters other than just “listing material” is a bit naïve. Heritage employs roughly 500 personnel in over ten cities with showrooms and overhead in the US, Europe and Asia. We have 30 web programmers and IT staff alone, along with accounting, photography, legal, marketing, etc. Saying this was done out of greed is again unfair; Heritage did it so that it could continue to offer lower priced lots singly rather than in bulk without losing money on them. Posters selling for less than $100 are limited in each weekly, but some of our buyers really appreciate being able to buy just the posters they want rather than having to buy groups. And I think nearly all of our consignors prefer to sell their posters either singly or in the smallest groups possible. Of course any consignors who prefer not having the $19 come into play with their lots can ask us to group-lot any posters we think might sell for less than $100, and we will happily do so.  The buyer’s premium, as stated well by David, is indeed prominently displayed whenever you wish to make a bid or to raise a bid. There is nothing deceptive nor mysterious about that, in my opinion, and as stated so well by Rich, it is the buyer’s choice to accept or not. I don’t believe I have more to say concerning this and for those who feel it is an undue increase or financial burden to them, I regret that, because I do care very much about my buyers (and consignors). But again, the bottom line is that it was the only way Heritage management could justify our continuing to offer posters valued under $100, without automatically auctioning them in bulk lots that would bring at least $100 hammer per lot.   From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of filip de volderSent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 6:52 AMTo: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUSubject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges exactely Tommy ,  it's like they're taking some insurance but it gets paid by the  buyer so if others bid besides you and it goes just over what heritage fixes then you'll be paying less then winning the poster just under that fixed line and getting taxed 19$ ?If Bruce can run auctions the way he does with everything starting at 1$  and continually keep his business growing then i think the only word here with this 19$ policy is greed , i guess heritage suffers from the ebay syndrome , keep on pushing to see how far it bends without snapping in your face  filip   Dat

Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[PHilipp Kainbacher]

As a buyer I do not care for the auction house fees at all...I will pay what I 
want to pay for it and not more...Philipp

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 4:10 AM, Simon Oram  wrote:
> 
> Yes rampant capitalism here as well, see no us or them just like you say, 
> apathy everywhere. 
> 
> I would like to collect film posters on films about capitalism, banks‎ and 
> greed. Starting with a poster for American Madness, sorry no bias intended.
> 
> Simon
> 
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> From: Richard C Evans
> Sent: Sunday, 19 June 2016 11:33
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU‎
> Reply To: evan...@mac.com
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
> 
> Really, expectation of capitalism to be more benign here?
> 
> Hadn't noticed that.
> 
> I just think most people don't see it as such a big deal, especially if you 
> break it down to what it will actually mean.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 18 Jun 2016, at 18:04, Tommy Barr  wrote:
>> 
>> Just to say that, whether or not I agree with his response,  I am pleased 
>> that Grey offered one, and I thank him for that. I think there appears to be 
>> a European versus US difference in attitudes here - the US one being 'taking 
>> care of business' while the Europeans expect their capitalism to be a bit 
>> more considerate of the client. 
>> 
>> Tommy
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Phillip Ayling  
>>> wrote:
>>> Grey,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thanks so much for chiming in and offering an “official” response. It is 
>>> appreciated.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Smith, 
>>> Grey - 1367
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:13 AM
>>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Sorry for the delay in responding. I’ve been preparing my July catalog so 
>>> my time on MOPO has been reduced. I think that many of the answers that 
>>> you’ve read from some MOPO members here are indeed correct. Heritage made 
>>> the decision to raise its minimum Buyer’s Premium on lots selling below 
>>> $100 which, by the way, I argued against, but which the executive team 
>>> believed necessary due to our expense structure.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Frankly, to believe that we have little expense involved in selling these 
>>> posters other than just “listing material” is a bit naïve. Heritage employs 
>>> roughly 500 personnel in over ten cities with showrooms and overhead in the 
>>> US, Europe and Asia. We have 30 web programmers and IT staff alone, along 
>>> with accounting, photography, legal, marketing, etc. Saying this was done 
>>> out of greed is again unfair; Heritage did it so that it could continue to 
>>> offer lower priced lots singly rather than in bulk without losing money on 
>>> them.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Posters selling for less than $100 are limited in each weekly, but some of 
>>> our buyers really appreciate being able to buy just the posters they want 
>>> rather than having to buy groups. And I think nearly all of our consignors 
>>> prefer to sell their posters either singly or in the smallest groups 
>>> possible. Of course any consignors who prefer not having the $19 come into 
>>> play with their lots can ask us to group-lot any posters we think might 
>>> sell for less than $100, and we will happily do so.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The buyer’s premium, as stated well by David, is indeed prominently 
>>> displayed whenever you wish to make a bid or to raise a bid. There is 
>>> nothing deceptive nor mysterious about that, in my opinion, and as stated 
>>> so well by Rich, it is the buyer’s choice to accept or not.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I don’t believe I have more to say concerning this and for those who feel 
>>> it is an undue increase or financial burden to them, I regret that, because 
>>> I do care very much about my buyers (and consignors).
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> But again, the bottom line is that it was the only way Heritage management 
>>> could justify our continuing to offer posters valued under $100, without 
>>> automatically auctioning them in bulk lots that would bring at least $100 
>>> hammer per lot.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 

Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[PHilipp Kainbacher]

And as seller I would be very unhappy for any auction house fees...paying 40% 
plus fees certainly will eliminate any possible profit on most of the posters 
you purchased at market value in the last ten to 15 years...only top prices did 
go up in prices...most poster prices decreased a lot considering inflation...

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2016, at 7:07 AM, PHilipp Kainbacher  wrote:
> 
> As a buyer I do not care for the auction house fees at all...I will pay what 
> I want to pay for it and not more...Philipp
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 4:10 AM, Simon Oram  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes rampant capitalism here as well, see no us or them just like you say, 
>> apathy everywhere. 
>> 
>> I would like to collect film posters on films about capitalism, banks‎ and 
>> greed. Starting with a poster for American Madness, sorry no bias intended.
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>> From: Richard C Evans
>> Sent: Sunday, 19 June 2016 11:33
>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU‎
>> Reply To: evan...@mac.com
>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
>> 
>> Really, expectation of capitalism to be more benign here?
>> 
>> Hadn't noticed that.
>> 
>> I just think most people don't see it as such a big deal, especially if you 
>> break it down to what it will actually mean.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 18 Jun 2016, at 18:04, Tommy Barr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just to say that, whether or not I agree with his response,  I am pleased 
>>> that Grey offered one, and I thank him for that. I think there appears to 
>>> be a European versus US difference in attitudes here - the US one being 
>>> 'taking care of business' while the Europeans expect their capitalism to be 
>>> a bit more considerate of the client. 
>>> 
>>> Tommy
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Phillip Ayling  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Grey,
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks so much for chiming in and offering an “official” response. It is 
>>>> appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Smith, 
>>>> Grey - 1367
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:13 AM
>>>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
>>>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry for the delay in responding. I’ve been preparing my July catalog so 
>>>> my time on MOPO has been reduced. I think that many of the answers that 
>>>> you’ve read from some MOPO members here are indeed correct. Heritage made 
>>>> the decision to raise its minimum Buyer’s Premium on lots selling below 
>>>> $100 which, by the way, I argued against, but which the executive team 
>>>> believed necessary due to our expense structure.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Frankly, to believe that we have little expense involved in selling these 
>>>> posters other than just “listing material” is a bit naïve. Heritage 
>>>> employs roughly 500 personnel in over ten cities with showrooms and 
>>>> overhead in the US, Europe and Asia. We have 30 web programmers and IT 
>>>> staff alone, along with accounting, photography, legal, marketing, etc. 
>>>> Saying this was done out of greed is again unfair; Heritage did it so that 
>>>> it could continue to offer lower priced lots singly rather than in bulk 
>>>> without losing money on them.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Posters selling for less than $100 are limited in each weekly, but some of 
>>>> our buyers really appreciate being able to buy just the posters they want 
>>>> rather than having to buy groups. And I think nearly all of our consignors 
>>>> prefer to sell their posters either singly or in the smallest groups 
>>>> possible. Of course any consignors who prefer not having the $19 come into 
>>>> play with their lots can ask us to group-lot any posters we think might 
>>>> sell for less than $100, and we will happily do so.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> The buyer’s premium, as stated well by David, is indeed prominently 
>>>> displayed whenever you wish to make a bid or to raise a bid. There is 
>>>> nothing deceptive nor mysterious about that,

Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Glenn Taranto]

Does anyone know a place in Los Angeles that sells magazine sleeves?  I
have dozens of Vanity Fair Magazines I was to start listing on eBay.

Thanks,

Glenn

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art <
sa...@comic-art.com> wrote:

> don't be silly Tommy. I'm happy to discuss anything with anyone. different
> viewpoints are great
> however I fail to see any reason for you to call me an apologist for
> Heritage. We're discussing something here, I'm expressing my viewpoint and
> my viewpoint only. I haven't spoken to Grey about this thread and I have no
> idea if he's aware of it.
>
> but my points are all the same points I would make for any company or
> person.
> obviously, they see the need to raise the BP. I haven't asked why, but
> seeing as I know my biz costs only go in one direction, that would be my
> suspicion.
>
> have fun.. bid or not with HA, maybe that means I might not have to clash
> with one other collector ; - )
>
>
> At 04:03 PM 6/17/2016, Tommy Barr wrote:
>
> Rich,
>
> I've always enjoyed doing business with you so hope we're not going to
> fall out over this, but I don't really understand why you fell the need to
> be the apologist for HA. My original question was not about the BP per se,
> but about the increase from $14 to $19, and that's what I was seeking
> justification for. Anyway, midnight here in UK and I'm off to bed. I think
> this particular topic has just about run its distance. Night all.
>
> TommyÂ
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art <
> sa...@comic-art.com> wrote:
> why does he need to respond Tommy?
> Those of you who don't like the BP can bid or not if you choose, HA isn't
> going to eliminate the BP because some people don't like it
> so what comment would he make?
> they have a BP. It's not a hidden cost. When I buy something, my only
> concern is getting it for a price I can deal with. Lately, because I'm
> largely winnowed down to needing the expensive or rare items, I'm having to
> deal with bigger prices and almost nothing I buy is under $100. in which
> case the bp means nothing to me, especially as I account for it when I'm
> bidding, always. I have a little paper chart next to the computer for the
> sig auctions so I can check it easily
>
> the first time I ever bid in a live auction, I was confused by the BP.
> This would have been at a local auction to where I was living at the time.
> First time I bid at Christies in the 1980s, they had a BP.
> I've grown up paying BP..
>
> if I don't want to pay the BP, I don't bid.
> exactly what solution would you be expecting Grey to post for you?
>
> Rich
>
>
> At 03:44 PM 6/17/2016, Tommy Barr wrote:
>
> 'Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. he's making money for his
> employer'
>
> Really? We know HA access this site as they promote their listings here,
> but he is so busy making money that he simply ignores a forum of
> collector/dealers, possibly some of his best clients, when his business
> model is being criticized, and that's not corporate arrogance?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:29 PM, MPB Warehouse  > wrote:
>
> unlike HA who have no outlay other than the cost of listing the item.
>
>
> sorry Tommy, that is such a simplistic definition of the work involved in
> A) listing material for sale.. and B) being in business
>
> I wish it was as simple as snapping my fingers, but first you have to
> gather (in HA's case) 500 posters
> then you have to send them down to the photography dept
> then they have to be individually catalogued
> then the catalogued list needs to be converted or uploaded etc to the site
> you have to promote the auctions
> you have to answer the questions
> then you have to have the orders pulled individually
> you have to send them down to shipping
> shipping has top package & post them
> all that is just the A)
>
> the B) is that you have to pay for your website, your rent, your lights.
> you have to pay your employees, your software designer
> you have to pay for all that advertising you do
>
> I probably haven't even touched the surface
>
> this is why I have fewer auctions, even when we work out the bugs on the
> new software - the labor is extensive and I have other stuff to do
>
>
> as I said before, the silence from HA on this forum is quite deafening.
>
>
> Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. he's making money for his
> employer
>
>
> Tommy
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Kirby McDaniel 
> wrote: David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHHING? Thanks,
> David. Kirby McDaniel
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David  > wrote: Have read all comments I guess the
> overriding point is going to be one of cost. Like everyone, it costs the
> same to handle a $200 poster as it does a $20 and so rather than turn away
> business at the bottom end HA are are simply going to charge you for it -
> why shouldn't they? How many dealers sell posters for a $1, and are happy
> to do so? I bet there is very few, most woul

Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

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From: "MoPo-L@LISTSERV. EDU"  on behalf of Glenn 
Taranto 
Reply-To: Glenn Taranto 
Date: Monday, June 20, 2016 at 1:43 PM
To: "MoPo-L@LISTSERV. EDU" 
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

 

Does anyone know a place in Los Angeles that sells magazine sleeves?  I have 
dozens of Vanity Fair Magazines I was to start listing on eBay.

Thanks,

Glenn

 

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art 
 wrote:

don't be silly Tommy. I'm happy to discuss anything with anyone. different 
viewpoints are great
however I fail to see any reason for you to call me an apologist for Heritage. 
We're discussing something here, I'm expressing my viewpoint and my viewpoint 
only. I haven't spoken to Grey about this thread and I have no idea if he's 
aware of it. 

but my points are all the same points I would make for any company or person. 
obviously, they see the need to raise the BP. I haven't asked why, but seeing 
as I know my biz costs only go in one direction, that would be my suspicion.

have fun.. bid or not with HA, maybe that means I might not have to clash with 
one other collector ; - )


At 04:03 PM 6/17/2016, Tommy Barr wrote:


Rich,

I've always enjoyed doing business with you so hope we're not going to fall out 
over this, but I don't really understand why you fell the need to be the 
apologist for HA. My original question was not about the BP per se, but about 
the increase from $14 to $19, and that's what I was seeking justification for. 
Anyway, midnight here in UK and I'm off to bed. I think this particular topic 
has just about run its distance. Night all.

Tommy 

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art 
 wrote:

why does he need to respond Tommy?

Those of you who don't like the BP can bid or not if you choose, HA isn't going 
to eliminate the BP because some people don't like it

so what comment would he make?

they have a BP. It's not a hidden cost. When I buy something, my only concern 
is getting it for a price I can deal with. Lately, because I'm largely winnowed 
down to needing the expensive or rare items, I'm having to deal with bigger 
prices and almost nothing I buy is under $100. in which case the bp means 
nothing to me, especially as I account for it when I'm bidding, always. I have 
a little paper chart next to the computer for the sig auctions so I can check 
it easily

the first time I ever bid in a live auction, I was confused by the BP. This 
would have been at a local auction to where I was living at the time. First 
time I bid at Christies in the 1980s, they had a BP. 

I've grown up paying BP.. 

if I don't want to pay the BP, I don't bid.

exactly what solution would you be expecting Grey to post for you?

Rich


At 03:44 PM 6/17/2016, Tommy Barr wrote:


'Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. he's making money for his 
employer'

Really? We know HA access this site as they promote their listings here, but he 
is so busy making money that he simply ignores a forum of collector/dealers, 
possibly some of his best clients, when his business model is being criticized, 
and that's not corporate arrogance?



On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:29 PM, MPB Warehouse  
wrote:

unlike HA who have no outlay other than the cost of listing the item.

 

sorry Tommy, that is such a simplistic definition of the work involved in A) 
listing material for sale.. and B) being in business

I wish it was as simple as snapping my fingers, but first you have to gather 
(in HA's case) 500 posters

then you have to send them down to the photography dept

then they have to be individually catalogued

then the catalogued list needs to be converted or uploaded etc to the site

you have to promote the auctions

you have to answer the questions

then you have to have the orders pulled individually

you have to send them down to shipping

shipping has top package & post them

all that is just the A)

the B) is that you have to pay for your website, your rent, your lights.

you have to pay your employees, your software designer

you have to pay for all that advertising you do

I probably haven't even touched the surface

this is why I have fewer auctions, even when we work out the bugs on the new 
software - the labor is exte

Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Todd]

Yes, that's right.  A 36% increase!  Plain and simple.


It's quite a huge increase no matter what you're talking about!


Whether you're talking about a mortgage payment, a rent payment, a car payment, 
your health insurance, a gallon of gas or a gallon of milk.  36% is a huge 
increase, especially all at once!


It would have been much better and more respectful to the buyers, if they did 
this over a period of a year or two instead of all at once, but they obviously 
don't care what anyone thinks.


Either adjust your bids to compensate for the increase or don't bid at all.


The shipping isn't cheap either.  Sometimes it's reasonable but many times it's 
very expensive even for just a few small things and doesn't make any sense.


In addition, did anyone notice that they don't start their ebay auctions at .99 
anymore but at retail for many items?


Todd





From: MoPo List  on behalf of Tommy Barr 

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 5:21 AM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: [MOPO] Heritage charges

Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is charging a minimum 
buyer's commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder how they justify 
that?

Tommy



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