Re: [MOPO] Interesting Items for Sale

[P M]

That's a pretty sophisticated collection unless they were random finds
(which seems unlikely).

On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 9:51 AM Susan Heim  wrote:

> Hello all,
>   I received an email from an estate sale auction house that has some
> interesting items coming up for auction including some
> original movie posters and old movie magazines, mostly from the silent and
> early 30's era.  So, thought I'd send a link in
> case some collectors and dealers would like to have a look.  Sue -
> Hollywood Poster Frames (800) 463-2994
>
> https://www.aaronsestatesales.com/sale/clarkston-estate-sale-9/
> 
> Clarkston Estate Sale | Aaron’s Estate Sales
> 
> Main Floor : Gustav Klimt reproductions, Earnest Proctor Night & Evening,
> Franz Von Stuck The Sim, Bodhisattva terra cotta statue, hand made Germany
> www.aaronsestatesales.com
>
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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Items for Sale

[Sean Walsh]

That yellow ladder in the garage I think is a Stanley. That item will go fast.

 

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A lot of nice stuff! I imagine some of those posters will make their way to 
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On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 11:51 AM Susan Heim mailto:filmfantast...@msn.com> > wrote:

Hello all,

  I received an email from an estate sale auction house that has some 
interesting items coming up for auction including some

original movie posters and old movie magazines, mostly from the silent and 
early 30's era.  So, thought I'd send a link in

case some collectors and dealers would like to have a look.  Sue - Hollywood 
Poster Frames (800) 463-2994

 

https://www.aaronsestatesales.com/sale/clarkston-estate-sale-9/


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Estate Sale | Aaron’s Estate Sales

Main Floor : Gustav Klimt reproductions, Earnest Proctor Night & Evening, Franz 
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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Items for Sale

[Tom Martin]

cool sue Thanks for the share its in my neck of the woods
20s had some great covers

Tom
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On 2024-03-06 12:51, Susan Heim wrote:

Hello all,
 I received an email from an estate sale auction house that has some
interesting items coming up for auction including some
 original movie posters and old movie magazines, mostly from the
silent and early 30's era. So, thought I'd send a link in
 case some collectors and dealers would like to have a look. Sue -
Hollywood Poster Frames (800) 463-2994

https://www.aaronsestatesales.com/sale/clarkston-estate-sale-9/ [1]

 [1]
 Clarkston Estate Sale | Aaron’s Estate Sales [1]
 Main Floor : Gustav Klimt reproductions, Earnest Proctor Night &
Evening, Franz Von Stuck The Sim, Bodhisattva terra cotta statue, hand
made Germany
 www.aaronsestatesales.com

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A lot of nice stuff! I imagine some of those posters will make their way to
Heritage, Propstore or even my auctions.


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On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 11:51 AM Susan Heim  wrote:

> Hello all,
>   I received an email from an estate sale auction house that has some
> interesting items coming up for auction including some
> original movie posters and old movie magazines, mostly from the silent and
> early 30's era.  So, thought I'd send a link in
> case some collectors and dealers would like to have a look.  Sue -
> Hollywood Poster Frames (800) 463-2994
>
> https://www.aaronsestatesales.com/sale/clarkston-estate-sale-9/
> 
> Clarkston Estate Sale | Aaron’s Estate Sales
> 
> Main Floor : Gustav Klimt reproductions, Earnest Proctor Night & Evening,
> Franz Von Stuck The Sim, Bodhisattva terra cotta statue, hand made Germany
> www.aaronsestatesales.com
>
>
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[Susan Heim]

Hello all,
  I received an email from an estate sale auction house that has some 
interesting items coming up for auction including some
original movie posters and old movie magazines, mostly from the silent and 
early 30's era.  So, thought I'd send a link in
case some collectors and dealers would like to have a look.  Sue - Hollywood 
Poster Frames (800) 463-2994

https://www.aaronsestatesales.com/sale/clarkston-estate-sale-9/
[https://www.aaronsestatesales.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/IMG_4764.jpg]
Clarkston Estate Sale | Aaron’s Estate 
Sales
Main Floor : Gustav Klimt reproductions, Earnest Proctor Night & Evening, Franz 
Von Stuck The Sim, Bodhisattva terra cotta statue, hand made Germany
www.aaronsestatesales.com


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[Jeffrey Meyer]

FYI - The VHS tape craze are sealed unopened tapes.  Most opened common tapes 
are worthless

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Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 6:51:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

Some that are rare have high prices laserdisc: Search Result | 
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laserdisc: Search Result | eBay

Buy and sell electronics, cars, fashion apparel, collectibles, sporting goods, 
digital cameras, baby items, coup...

But as titles come out on DVD, Blu-ray, 4K they are no longer wanted.




On Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 04:09:56 PM EDT, Scott Burns 
 wrote:



Oh, and what about Laserdiscs? Got a ton of those taking up space as well. The 
artwork may be no better than what’s on VHS boxes, but at least its record 
album size. Perhaps Laser is the next “hot” collectible? (doubtful, but fingers 
crossed.)



Scott



From: MoPo List  On Behalf Of Scott Burns
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 4:06 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting.



Wow…that eBay link was an eye opener.



I have boxes and boxes of VHS tapes in storage including my own collection as 
well as those from my parent’s estate. I had considered trying to sell them but 
thought it wouldn’t be worth the effort, with eBay fees and shipping costs 
through the roof.  I browsed VHS collectors groups on Facebook and Reddit and 
thought about just giving them away rather than sending them to the landfill. 
Guess it’s time to dig a little deeper into those boxes and take an inventory. 😊



And I would like to know more about slabbing a VHS tape. I recall comics being 
“slabbed,” and for a while there was interest in doing this to lobby cards. 
Anyone have any details to share?



Scott

MoPo List Owner



From: MoPo List 
mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>> On Behalf 
Of Roland Lataille
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 11:07 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU<mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting.



Seeing high prices on eBay for VHS tapes - 
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=vhs+tapes&_sacat=309&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1&_sop=16







On Monday, April 18, 2022, 08:31:50 PM EDT, Kirby McDaniel 
mailto:ki...@movieart.com>> wrote:





A slabbed VHS tape.  Now that really is funny.  Now what would be the ultimate 
VHS tape?  Maybe the boxed set of PEEWEE'S PLAYHOUSE?



Kirby



On Apr 18, 2022, at 7:14 PM, Grey Smith 
mailto:greysm6...@gmail.com>> wrote:



I don’t think anyone is suggesting the hobby is dead.

I suggest the Heritage auction this weekend will do millions.

Rich’s point was merely a moment in time comparison to the huge explosion of 
other hobbies.

I am frankly excited for the future!

If prices lag, I will buy. If they grow I will smile.

Indeed it is a wonderful hobby!

G.



On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 7:00 PM Susan Heim 
mailto:filmfantast...@msn.com>> wrote:

Boy if you were watching Bruce's auction yesterday, there are definitely 
certain titles that don't seem to be slowing down in value growth.  I sold my 
Pinocchio one sheet

a few years back for $6500, a good price at the time.  Yesterday, it went for 
close to $11,000 and those Marx Brothers cards went for a bundle. I was amazed 
at

some of the prices Bruce's auction realized..a very good job with a good 
variety of material.  I had many customers who called me this morning to order

frames for what they had purchased.



I do an enormous amount of framing for the hobby and I have new collectors 
coming into the hobby every week.  A lot of them are young guys who

begin by collecting material from the 1970's and 1980's and pretty soon start 
collecting material from the 1940's, 50's and 60's.and they have a lot of

disposable income.



So, I think the poster hobby is still pretty strong.  The example of the 
Forbidden Planet one sheet going for $8700+ yesterday is not unusual as that 
poster

fluctuates around all the time.  Remember, one sold at Heritage just a few 
months ago in November for $15,000.  I sold my own copy for $12,000 last year.



So, while we may be losing collectors in our hobby due to age or switching to 
other collectables, we've got a lot of new collectors coming into the hobby

with a lot of money to spend and big theater rooms to display everything.



Sue

Hollywood Poster Frames

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Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

[Roland Lataille]

 Some that are rare have high prices laserdisc: Search Result | eBay

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laserdisc: Search Result | eBay

Buy and sell electronics, cars, fashion apparel, collectibles, sporting goods, 
digital cameras, baby items, coup...
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But as titles come out on DVD, Blu-ray, 4K they are no longer wanted.



On Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 04:09:56 PM EDT, Scott Burns 
 wrote:  
 
 
Oh, and what about Laserdiscs? Got a ton of those taking up space as well. The 
artwork may be no better than what’s on VHS boxes, but at least its record 
album size. Perhaps Laser is the next “hot” collectible? (doubtful, but fingers 
crossed.)

  

Scott

  

From: MoPo List  On Behalf Of Scott Burns
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 4:06 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

  

Wow…that eBay link was an eye opener. 

  

I have boxes and boxes of VHS tapes in storage including my own collection as 
well as those from my parent’s estate. I had considered trying to sell them but 
thought it wouldn’t be worth the effort, with eBay fees and shipping costs 
through the roof.  I browsed VHS collectors groups on Facebook and Reddit and 
thought about just giving them away rather than sending them to the landfill. 
Guess it’s time to dig a little deeper into those boxes and take an inventory. 😊

  

And I would like to know more about slabbing a VHS tape. I recall comics being 
“slabbed,” and for a while there was interest in doing this to lobby cards. 
Anyone have any details to share?

  

Scott

MoPo List Owner

  

From: MoPo List  On Behalf Of Roland Lataille
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 11:07 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

  

Seeing high prices on eBay for VHS tapes - 
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=vhs+tapes&_sacat=309&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1&_sop=16

  

  

  

On Monday, April 18, 2022, 08:31:50 PM EDT, Kirby McDaniel  
wrote: 

  

  

A slabbed VHS tape.  Now that really is funny.  Now what would be the ultimate 
VHS tape?  Maybe the boxed set of PEEWEE'S PLAYHOUSE?

  

Kirby

  


On Apr 18, 2022, at 7:14 PM, Grey Smith  wrote:

  

I don’t think anyone is suggesting the hobby is dead.

I suggest the Heritage auction this weekend will do millions.

Rich’s point was merely a moment in time comparison to the huge explosion of 
other hobbies.

I am frankly excited for the future!

If prices lag, I will buy. If they grow I will smile.

Indeed it is a wonderful hobby!

G.

  

On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 7:00 PM Susan Heim  wrote:


Boy if you were watching Bruce's auction yesterday, there are definitely 
certain titles that don't seem to be slowing down in value growth.  I sold my 
Pinocchio one sheet

a few years back for $6500, a good price at the time.  Yesterday, it went for 
close to $11,000 and those Marx Brothers cards went for a bundle. I was amazed 
at

some of the prices Bruce's auction realized..a very good job with a good 
variety of material.  I had many customers who called me this morning to order

frames for what they had purchased.

  

I do an enormous amount of framing for the hobby and I have new collectors 
coming into the hobby every week.  A lot of them are young guys who 

begin by collecting material from the 1970's and 1980's and pretty soon start 
collecting material from the 1940's, 50's and 60's.and they have a lot of

disposable income. 

  

So, I think the poster hobby is still pretty strong.  The example of the 
Forbidden Planet one sheet going for $8700+ yesterday is not unusual as that 
poster

fluctuates around all the time.  Remember, one sold at Heritage just a few 
months ago in November for $15,000.  I sold my own copy for $12,000 last year.

  

So, while we may be losing collectors in our hobby due to age or switching to 
other collectables, we've got a lot of new collectors coming into the hobby

with a lot of money to spend and big theater rooms to display everything.

  

Sue

Hollywood Poster Frames

From: MoPo List  on behalf of Michael Danese 
<013d65768e00-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 9:42 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting. 

 

All sad but true. I liquidated a large part of my collection a few years ago 
with Grey’s help. I’m happy with what I kept, but miss a lot of what I sold. 
All for the best.  

The folks that love posters will continue to love them, but the reality is that 
the number of those folks is shrinking. 

Yes, buy what you love and you won’t be disappointed. 

Thanks, 

MIchael Danese

  


On Apr 18, 2022, at 5:16 PM, Grey Smith  wrote:



 



All well said and sadly, many very obvious points, Rich. I think Heritage will 
either keep the auction I built and succeeded with as much as any house out 
there, or they will combine it with the Entertainment memorabilia venue and cut 
back the

Re: [MOPO] Interesting. Laserdiscs

[Steven Hill]

 Yes, I recently used Topaz AI to up-res two DVDs, namely The Stepford Wives 
and Invaders from Mars (about a week before they announced Invaders from Mars 
as an upcoming 4K UHD release). I am quite pleased with the results of those. 
I've also done some episodes of the original Flash Gordon serial. But some 
other things I've tried have not turned out well. I really depends on the 
source material. I have not tried any laserdiscs, although I can do that 
sometime since I still have working LD players and a collection of discs. (I 
keep meaning to create a complete version of The Alamo, since the laserdisc is 
the only full release and a Blu-ray seems unlikely.)
A friend of mine introduced me to Topaz AI, and it was always his practice to 
do an up-res, and then separately blend the up-res with a "dumb" plain old 
resized version of the same, so the AI "tinkering" wasn't so overwhelming. I 
haven't felt the need to do that, especially since I am the only viewer of the 
results. :) It's expensive software but if you're even considering it, it's 
probably not overpriced.
One more thing: One of my own movies was shot in 2010, and unfortunately we 
shot in 720p instead of 1080p. I took our completed 720p master and ran it 
through Topaz AI and got a truly terrific result. More proof that the better 
the source, the better the result, not that anyone would be surprised by that.
-Steve
On Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 04:21:39 PM CDT, Larry Brooks 
<021723856377-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu> wrote:  
 
  A bit off topic. Speaking about Laserdiscs they're analog. And I was 
wondering about converting a few laserdisc films to digital onto a external 
hard drive. 

My question is - has anyone herer ever tried using a video AI enhancer like 
Topaz AI to sharpen the imagery and was it worth the effort? Did it make 
for a overall improved image?
Larry Brooks



On Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 01:09:52 PM PDT, Scott Burns 
 wrote:  
 
 
Oh, and what about Laserdiscs? Got a ton of those taking up space as well. The 
artwork may be no better than what’s on VHS boxes, but at least its record 
album size. Perhaps Laser is the next “hot” collectible? (doubtful, but fingers 
crossed.)

  

Scott

  

From: MoPo List  On Behalf Of Scott Burns
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 4:06 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

  

Wow…that eBay link was an eye opener. 

  

I have boxes and boxes of VHS tapes in storage including my own collection as 
well as those from my parent’s estate. I had considered trying to sell them but 
thought it wouldn’t be worth the effort, with eBay fees and shipping costs 
through the roof.  I browsed VHS collectors groups on Facebook and Reddit and 
thought about just giving them away rather than sending them to the landfill. 
Guess it’s time to dig a little deeper into those boxes and take an inventory. 😊

  

And I would like to know more about slabbing a VHS tape. I recall comics being 
“slabbed,” and for a while there was interest in doing this to lobby cards. 
Anyone have any details to share?

  

Scott

MoPo List Owner

  

From: MoPo List  On Behalf Of Roland Lataille
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 11:07 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

  

Seeing high prices on eBay for VHS tapes - 
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=vhs+tapes&_sacat=309&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1&_sop=16

  

  

  

On Monday, April 18, 2022, 08:31:50 PM EDT, Kirby McDaniel  
wrote: 

  

  

A slabbed VHS tape.  Now that really is funny.  Now what would be the ultimate 
VHS tape?  Maybe the boxed set of PEEWEE'S PLAYHOUSE?

  

Kirby

  


On Apr 18, 2022, at 7:14 PM, Grey Smith  wrote:

  

I don’t think anyone is suggesting the hobby is dead.

I suggest the Heritage auction this weekend will do millions.

Rich’s point was merely a moment in time comparison to the huge explosion of 
other hobbies.

I am frankly excited for the future!

If prices lag, I will buy. If they grow I will smile.

Indeed it is a wonderful hobby!

G.

  

On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 7:00 PM Susan Heim  wrote:


Boy if you were watching Bruce's auction yesterday, there are definitely 
certain titles that don't seem to be slowing down in value growth.  I sold my 
Pinocchio one sheet

a few years back for $6500, a good price at the time.  Yesterday, it went for 
close to $11,000 and those Marx Brothers cards went for a bundle. I was amazed 
at

some of the prices Bruce's auction realized..a very good job with a good 
variety of material.  I had many customers who called me this morning to order

frames for what they had purchased.

  

I do an enormous amount of framing for the hobby and I have new collectors 
coming into the hobby every week.  A lot of them are young guys who 

begin by collecting material from the 1970's and 1980's and

[MOPO] Interesting. Laserdiscs

[Larry Brooks]

 A bit off topic. Speaking about Laserdiscs they're analog. And I was 
wondering about converting a few laserdisc films to digital onto a external 
hard drive. 

My question is - has anyone herer ever tried using a video AI enhancer like 
Topaz AI to sharpen the imagery and was it worth the effort? Did it make 
for a overall improved image?
Larry Brooks



On Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 01:09:52 PM PDT, Scott Burns 
 wrote:  
 
 
Oh, and what about Laserdiscs? Got a ton of those taking up space as well. The 
artwork may be no better than what’s on VHS boxes, but at least its record 
album size. Perhaps Laser is the next “hot” collectible? (doubtful, but fingers 
crossed.)

  

Scott

  

From: MoPo List  On Behalf Of Scott Burns
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 4:06 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

  

Wow…that eBay link was an eye opener. 

  

I have boxes and boxes of VHS tapes in storage including my own collection as 
well as those from my parent’s estate. I had considered trying to sell them but 
thought it wouldn’t be worth the effort, with eBay fees and shipping costs 
through the roof.  I browsed VHS collectors groups on Facebook and Reddit and 
thought about just giving them away rather than sending them to the landfill. 
Guess it’s time to dig a little deeper into those boxes and take an inventory. 😊

  

And I would like to know more about slabbing a VHS tape. I recall comics being 
“slabbed,” and for a while there was interest in doing this to lobby cards. 
Anyone have any details to share?

  

Scott

MoPo List Owner

  

From: MoPo List  On Behalf Of Roland Lataille
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 11:07 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

  

Seeing high prices on eBay for VHS tapes - 
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=vhs+tapes&_sacat=309&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1&_sop=16

  

  

  

On Monday, April 18, 2022, 08:31:50 PM EDT, Kirby McDaniel  
wrote: 

  

  

A slabbed VHS tape.  Now that really is funny.  Now what would be the ultimate 
VHS tape?  Maybe the boxed set of PEEWEE'S PLAYHOUSE?

  

Kirby

  


On Apr 18, 2022, at 7:14 PM, Grey Smith  wrote:

  

I don’t think anyone is suggesting the hobby is dead.

I suggest the Heritage auction this weekend will do millions.

Rich’s point was merely a moment in time comparison to the huge explosion of 
other hobbies.

I am frankly excited for the future!

If prices lag, I will buy. If they grow I will smile.

Indeed it is a wonderful hobby!

G.

  

On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 7:00 PM Susan Heim  wrote:


Boy if you were watching Bruce's auction yesterday, there are definitely 
certain titles that don't seem to be slowing down in value growth.  I sold my 
Pinocchio one sheet

a few years back for $6500, a good price at the time.  Yesterday, it went for 
close to $11,000 and those Marx Brothers cards went for a bundle. I was amazed 
at

some of the prices Bruce's auction realized..a very good job with a good 
variety of material.  I had many customers who called me this morning to order

frames for what they had purchased.

  

I do an enormous amount of framing for the hobby and I have new collectors 
coming into the hobby every week.  A lot of them are young guys who 

begin by collecting material from the 1970's and 1980's and pretty soon start 
collecting material from the 1940's, 50's and 60's.and they have a lot of

disposable income. 

  

So, I think the poster hobby is still pretty strong.  The example of the 
Forbidden Planet one sheet going for $8700+ yesterday is not unusual as that 
poster

fluctuates around all the time.  Remember, one sold at Heritage just a few 
months ago in November for $15,000.  I sold my own copy for $12,000 last year.

  

So, while we may be losing collectors in our hobby due to age or switching to 
other collectables, we've got a lot of new collectors coming into the hobby

with a lot of money to spend and big theater rooms to display everything.

  

Sue

Hollywood Poster Frames

From: MoPo List  on behalf of Michael Danese 
<013d65768e00-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 9:42 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting. 

 

All sad but true. I liquidated a large part of my collection a few years ago 
with Grey’s help. I’m happy with what I kept, but miss a lot of what I sold. 
All for the best.  

The folks that love posters will continue to love them, but the reality is that 
the number of those folks is shrinking. 

Yes, buy what you love and you won’t be disappointed. 

Thanks, 

MIchael Danese

  


On Apr 18, 2022, at 5:16 PM, Grey Smith  wrote:



 



All well said and sadly, many very obvious points, Rich. I think Heritage will 
either keep the auction I built and succeeded with as much as any house out 
there, or they will combine it with the Ente

Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

[Scott Burns]

Oh, and what about Laserdiscs? Got a ton of those taking up space as well. The 
artwork may be no better than what’s on VHS boxes, but at least its record 
album size. Perhaps Laser is the next “hot” collectible? (doubtful, but fingers 
crossed.)

 

Scott

 

From: MoPo List  On Behalf Of Scott Burns
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 4:06 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

 

Wow…that eBay link was an eye opener. 

 

I have boxes and boxes of VHS tapes in storage including my own collection as 
well as those from my parent’s estate. I had considered trying to sell them but 
thought it wouldn’t be worth the effort, with eBay fees and shipping costs 
through the roof.  I browsed VHS collectors groups on Facebook and Reddit and 
thought about just giving them away rather than sending them to the landfill. 
Guess it’s time to dig a little deeper into those boxes and take an inventory. 😊

 

And I would like to know more about slabbing a VHS tape. I recall comics being 
“slabbed,” and for a while there was interest in doing this to lobby cards. 
Anyone have any details to share?

 

Scott

MoPo List Owner

 

From: MoPo List mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> > On Behalf Of Roland Lataille
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 11:07 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> 
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

 

Seeing high prices on eBay for VHS tapes - 
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40 
<https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=vhs+tapes&_sacat=309&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1&_sop=16>
 &_nkw=vhs+tapes&_sacat=309&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1&_sop=16

 

 

 

On Monday, April 18, 2022, 08:31:50 PM EDT, Kirby McDaniel mailto:ki...@movieart.com> > wrote: 

 

 

A slabbed VHS tape.  Now that really is funny.  Now what would be the ultimate 
VHS tape?  Maybe the boxed set of PEEWEE'S PLAYHOUSE?

 

Kirby

 

On Apr 18, 2022, at 7:14 PM, Grey Smith mailto:greysm6...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I don’t think anyone is suggesting the hobby is dead.

I suggest the Heritage auction this weekend will do millions.

Rich’s point was merely a moment in time comparison to the huge explosion of 
other hobbies.

I am frankly excited for the future!

If prices lag, I will buy. If they grow I will smile.

Indeed it is a wonderful hobby!

G.

 

On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 7:00 PM Susan Heim mailto:filmfantast...@msn.com> > wrote:

Boy if you were watching Bruce's auction yesterday, there are definitely 
certain titles that don't seem to be slowing down in value growth.  I sold my 
Pinocchio one sheet

a few years back for $6500, a good price at the time.  Yesterday, it went for 
close to $11,000 and those Marx Brothers cards went for a bundle. I was amazed 
at

some of the prices Bruce's auction realized..a very good job with a good 
variety of material.  I had many customers who called me this morning to order

frames for what they had purchased.

 

I do an enormous amount of framing for the hobby and I have new collectors 
coming into the hobby every week.  A lot of them are young guys who 

begin by collecting material from the 1970's and 1980's and pretty soon start 
collecting material from the 1940's, 50's and 60's.and they have a lot of

disposable income. 

 

So, I think the poster hobby is still pretty strong.  The example of the 
Forbidden Planet one sheet going for $8700+ yesterday is not unusual as that 
poster

fluctuates around all the time.  Remember, one sold at Heritage just a few 
months ago in November for $15,000.  I sold my own copy for $12,000 last year.

 

So, while we may be losing collectors in our hobby due to age or switching to 
other collectables, we've got a lot of new collectors coming into the hobby

with a lot of money to spend and big theater rooms to display everything.

 

Sue

Hollywood Poster Frames


  _  


From: MoPo List mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> > on behalf of Michael Danese 
<013d65768e00-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu 
<mailto:013d65768e00-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu> >
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 9:42 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>  
mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> >
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting. 

 

All sad but true. I liquidated a large part of my collection a few years ago 
with Grey’s help. I’m happy with what I kept, but miss a lot of what I sold. 
All for the best.  

The folks that love posters will continue to love them, but the reality is that 
the number of those folks is shrinking. 

Yes, buy what you love and you won’t be disappointed. 

Thanks, 

MIchael Danese

 

On Apr 18, 2022, at 5:16 PM, Grey Smith mailto:greysm6...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

All well said and sadly, many very obvious points, Rich. I think Heritage will 
either keep the auction I buil

Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

[Scott Burns]

Wow…that eBay link was an eye opener. 

 

I have boxes and boxes of VHS tapes in storage including my own collection as 
well as those from my parent’s estate. I had considered trying to sell them but 
thought it wouldn’t be worth the effort, with eBay fees and shipping costs 
through the roof.  I browsed VHS collectors groups on Facebook and Reddit and 
thought about just giving them away rather than sending them to the landfill. 
Guess it’s time to dig a little deeper into those boxes and take an inventory. 😊

 

And I would like to know more about slabbing a VHS tape. I recall comics being 
“slabbed,” and for a while there was interest in doing this to lobby cards. 
Anyone have any details to share?

 

Scott

MoPo List Owner

 

From: MoPo List  On Behalf Of Roland Lataille
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 11:07 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

 

Seeing high prices on eBay for VHS tapes - 
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40 
<https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=vhs+tapes&_sacat=309&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1&_sop=16>
 &_nkw=vhs+tapes&_sacat=309&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1&_sop=16

 

 

 

On Monday, April 18, 2022, 08:31:50 PM EDT, Kirby McDaniel mailto:ki...@movieart.com> > wrote: 

 

 

A slabbed VHS tape.  Now that really is funny.  Now what would be the ultimate 
VHS tape?  Maybe the boxed set of PEEWEE'S PLAYHOUSE?

 

Kirby





On Apr 18, 2022, at 7:14 PM, Grey Smith mailto:greysm6...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I don’t think anyone is suggesting the hobby is dead.

I suggest the Heritage auction this weekend will do millions.

Rich’s point was merely a moment in time comparison to the huge explosion of 
other hobbies.

I am frankly excited for the future!

If prices lag, I will buy. If they grow I will smile.

Indeed it is a wonderful hobby!

G.

 

On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 7:00 PM Susan Heim mailto:filmfantast...@msn.com> > wrote:

Boy if you were watching Bruce's auction yesterday, there are definitely 
certain titles that don't seem to be slowing down in value growth.  I sold my 
Pinocchio one sheet

a few years back for $6500, a good price at the time.  Yesterday, it went for 
close to $11,000 and those Marx Brothers cards went for a bundle. I was amazed 
at

some of the prices Bruce's auction realized..a very good job with a good 
variety of material.  I had many customers who called me this morning to order

frames for what they had purchased.

 

I do an enormous amount of framing for the hobby and I have new collectors 
coming into the hobby every week.  A lot of them are young guys who 

begin by collecting material from the 1970's and 1980's and pretty soon start 
collecting material from the 1940's, 50's and 60's.and they have a lot of

disposable income. 

 

So, I think the poster hobby is still pretty strong.  The example of the 
Forbidden Planet one sheet going for $8700+ yesterday is not unusual as that 
poster

fluctuates around all the time.  Remember, one sold at Heritage just a few 
months ago in November for $15,000.  I sold my own copy for $12,000 last year.

 

So, while we may be losing collectors in our hobby due to age or switching to 
other collectables, we've got a lot of new collectors coming into the hobby

with a lot of money to spend and big theater rooms to display everything.

 

Sue

Hollywood Poster Frames


  _  


From: MoPo List mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> > on behalf of Michael Danese 
<013d65768e00-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu 
<mailto:013d65768e00-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu> >
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 9:42 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>  
mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> >
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting. 

 

All sad but true. I liquidated a large part of my collection a few years ago 
with Grey’s help. I’m happy with what I kept, but miss a lot of what I sold. 
All for the best.  

The folks that love posters will continue to love them, but the reality is that 
the number of those folks is shrinking. 

Yes, buy what you love and you won’t be disappointed. 

Thanks, 

MIchael Danese





On Apr 18, 2022, at 5:16 PM, Grey Smith mailto:greysm6...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

All well said and sadly, many very obvious points, Rich. I think Heritage will 
either keep the auction I built and succeeded with as much as any house out 
there, or they will combine it with the Entertainment memorabilia venue and cut 
back the quantity sold.  

Many of the other collectibles have dramatically risen in value due to 
third-party slabbing and grading, as you mention, which has led to tremendous 
competition. Competition to complete runs in VF condition as with what has 
happened in coins, ball cards, and especially comics. And I suggest the 
staggering prices in comic art are an off-sh

Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

[Jeffrey Meyer]

1988 I started collecting movie posters.  Took my skateboard and my best buddy 
to every video store we could reach on our boards.  Asked for posters. Standees 
etc.  I still have all that video store stuff.  Mostly 80s horror.  As I got 
older I started hitting up movie theaters. From there I ended up working at a 
movie theater running 70mm IMAX.  30 years later I started buying posters from 
the 50s.  Yea - I started out with the 80s and now I'm collecting 50s.  I know 
a few young guys who started collecting the 80s stuff.  Give em some time, they 
will end up like me,  collecting the 50s.  I also diversified- been collecting 
select high grade CGC comics, graded Star Wars figures and MOTU figures.  Plus, 
I take my 4 year old son to the local store and we hit up the toy aisles. 
Usually walk away with some VS Star Wars and Black Series figures or the new 
retro MOTU toys.  My 4 year old loves dinosaurs.  He has an original 1 million 
years BC and Godzilla one sheets on his walls.  He loves his posters and he 
will probably end up a collector.

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From: MoPo List  on behalf of Tommy Barr 

Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 12:29:55 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

So this has been indeed 'interesting' and a typical MOPO discussion - I submit 
a post wondering what the future of movie posters on HA might be and we get a 
debate on the future of the hobby, particularly its commercial aspect.
While I have never met Rich I've always enjoyed any communication we have had, 
but I have to say (no offence, Rich) that he has always been a bit of a 
Jeremiah when it comes to the way the hobby is going. I suspect that he, and 
possibly a few other of the larger dealers, miss the days pre-eBay and think 
that it has led to a preponderance of small online dealers (and I am one) who 
have had a major impact on the pricing of posters, and usually not in a good 
way. Certainly he has a point regarding the repricing of posters to reflect 
current auction values. It does seem as though most eBay dealers set a price 
and rarely change it, except occasionally to mark it down if it does not sell 
quickly. I am frankly amazed at the number of times a poster sells at one of 
the major auctions for considerably more than it could be bought for elsewhere 
online.
However, the decision of any major auction house to offer movie posters is 
surely not based on fee income as the main criteria. Sotheby's occasional 
online auctions, even though they seem to achieve inflated prices, are hardly 
making a major contribution to their profits when compared to an Old Masters' 
auction. Nevertheless, as Rich says, it is no surprise that HA might wish to 
'up the ante'. Heritage is what it is, a business whose main concern is the 
bottom line, and they can be quite brutal in chasing that, as demonstrated by 
the recent increase in sellers' fees. I am still wondering, then, what the 
possible changes might be. Whatever they are, I doubt that they will be to the 
advantage of anyone other than themselves, but the choice remains to buy from 
them or not, and you have to hope that they will continue to offer a selection 
as interesting as the present auction (where I have a few thousand in bids but 
more in hope than expectation!).
Regarding the future of the hobby, it seems to me that most people buying a 
poster now are not big-time collectors, but those wishing to have just one or 
two items which they wish to display. Most don't seem to want to pay more that 
£100, though of course some will pay more for a particularly relevant poster. 
From that some may become collectors, and there is a school of thought that the 
easy availability of films streaming online will encourage younger viewers to 
watch older films and so possibly seek out posters from previous generations. 
And what happens if film advertising in cinemas becomes entirely digital 
display (see 
https://celluloidjunkie.com/2021/05/04/on-paper-the-future-of-movie-posters-is-digital/)?
 Like a lot else in the 21st century the future is unpredictable. So let's all 
just enjoy the fun while it lasts.

Tommy



On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 at 01:00, Susan Heim 
mailto:filmfantast...@msn.com>> wrote:
Boy if you were watching Bruce's auction yesterday, there are definitely 
certain titles that don't seem to be slowing down in value growth.  I sold my 
Pinocchio one sheet
a few years back for $6500, a good price at the time.  Yesterday, it went for 
close to $11,000 and those Marx Brothers cards went for a bundle. I was amazed 
at
some of the prices Bruce's auction realized..a very good job with a good 
variety of material.  I had many customers who called me this morning to order
frames for what they had purchased.

I do an enormous amount of framing

Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

[Tommy Barr]

So this has been indeed 'interesting' and a typical MOPO discussion - I
submit a post wondering what the future of movie posters on HA might be and
we get a debate on the future of the hobby, particularly its commercial
aspect.
While I have never met Rich I've always enjoyed any communication we have
had, but I have to say (no offence, Rich) that he has always been a bit of
a Jeremiah when it comes to the way the hobby is going. I suspect that he,
and possibly a few other of the larger dealers, miss the days pre-eBay and
think that it has led to a preponderance of small online dealers (and I am
one) who have had a major impact on the pricing of posters, and usually not
in a good way. Certainly he has a point regarding the repricing of posters
to reflect current auction values. It does seem as though most eBay dealers
set a price and rarely change it, except occasionally to mark it down if it
does not sell quickly. I am frankly amazed at the number of times a poster
sells at one of the major auctions for considerably more than it could be
bought for elsewhere online.
However, the decision of any major auction house to offer movie posters is
surely not based on fee income as the main criteria. Sotheby's occasional
online auctions, even though they seem to achieve inflated prices, are
hardly making a major contribution to their profits when compared to an Old
Masters' auction. Nevertheless, as Rich says, it is no surprise that
HA might wish to 'up the ante'. Heritage is what it is, a business whose
main concern is the bottom line, and they can be quite brutal in chasing
that, as demonstrated by the recent increase in sellers' fees. I am still
wondering, then, what the possible changes might be. Whatever they are, I
doubt that they will be to the advantage of anyone other than themselves,
but the choice remains to buy from them or not, and you have to hope that
they will continue to offer a selection as interesting as the present
auction (where I have a few thousand in bids but more in hope than
expectation!).
Regarding the future of the hobby, it seems to me that most people buying a
poster now are not big-time collectors, but those wishing to have just one
or two items which they wish to display. Most don't seem to want to pay
more that £100, though of course some will pay more for a
particularly relevant poster. From that some may become collectors, and
there is a school of thought that the easy availability of films streaming
online will encourage younger viewers to watch older films and so possibly
seek out posters from previous generations. And what happens if film
advertising in cinemas becomes entirely digital display (see
https://celluloidjunkie.com/2021/05/04/on-paper-the-future-of-movie-posters-is-digital/)?
Like a lot else in the 21st century the future is unpredictable. So let's
all just enjoy the fun while it lasts.

Tommy



On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 at 01:00, Susan Heim  wrote:

> Boy if you were watching Bruce's auction yesterday, there are definitely
> certain titles that don't seem to be slowing down in value growth.  I sold
> my Pinocchio one sheet
> a few years back for $6500, a good price at the time.  Yesterday, it went
> for close to $11,000 and those Marx Brothers cards went for a bundle. I was
> amazed at
> some of the prices Bruce's auction realized..a very good job with a
> good variety of material.  I had many customers who called me this morning
> to order
> frames for what they had purchased.
>
> I do an enormous amount of framing for the hobby and I have new
> collectors coming into the hobby every week.  A lot of them are young guys
> who
> begin by collecting material from the 1970's and 1980's and pretty soon
> start collecting material from the 1940's, 50's and 60's.and they have
> a lot of
> disposable income.
>
> So, I think the poster hobby is still pretty strong.  The example of the
> Forbidden Planet one sheet going for $8700+ yesterday is not unusual as
> that poster
> fluctuates around all the time.  Remember, one sold at Heritage just a few
> months ago in November for $15,000.  I sold my own copy for $12,000 last
> year.
>
> So, while we may be losing collectors in our hobby due to age or switching
> to other collectables, we've got a lot of new collectors coming into the
> hobby
> with a lot of money to spend and big theater rooms to display everything.
>
> Sue
> Hollywood Poster Frames
> --
> *From:* MoPo List  on behalf of Michael
> Danese <013d65768e00-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 18, 2022 9:42 PM
> *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
> *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Interesting.
>
> All sad but true. I liquidated a large part of my collection a few years
> ago with Grey’s help. 

Re: [MOPO] Aw: Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

[Alan Heimann]

This string is a great summary of where we’ve been, are and going ..no
mention though of NFT’s ..I mention that because one aspect of movie poster
collecting that was not mentioned is the space required for the avg person
to store or exhibit non- folded posters ..I would imagine by comparison
it’s easy to store comics, coins, stamps etc ..I believe this is an
influence in what and how much people buy ..sure you can find a space for
the Mona Lisa maybe not so for for Teenage Space Dudes ..personally I like
Grey’s philosophy and at the ripe old age of 68 I am starting to think
about the treasured pieces I will keep and the rest to be sold though I
thoroughly have enjoyed collecting them all ..participating in live
auctions and making friends along the way

On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 3:37 AM Helmut Hamm  wrote:

> The VHS market apparently is still alive and kicking. I remember speaking
> to a collector a few years back who told me that FAKE cover inlays of rare
> VHS tape have become a serious issue. Tbh, I didn‘t know people would
> collect VHS covers to begin with.
>
> As to the Status Quo of movie poster collecting: For a few years, the
> prices for 50s Scifi posters have been going down. Many of the mid-level
> titles can now be found for more or less the same price they sold for 20
> years ago. As in pretty much every other field, the top-end titles seem to
> hold their value.
>
> At the same time, prices for 70s and 80s titles have gone through the
> roof. And I still remember the days when bigshot dealers declared these
> would NEVER be worth ANYTHING.
>
> As to comic books: In the 1980s, there was a major hype about new comics,
> ten thousands of people were hoarding comic books as a investment. Big
> business for the publishers and dealers, but I seriously doubt that too
> many collectors have ever seen their money back.
>
> Helmut
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 19. April 2022 um 02:31 Uhr
> *Von:* "Kirby McDaniel" 
> *An:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> *Betreff:* Re: [MOPO] Interesting.
> A slabbed VHS tape.  Now that really is funny.  Now what would be the
> ultimate VHS tape?  Maybe the boxed set of PEEWEE'S PLAYHOUSE?
>
> Kirby
>
>
> On Apr 18, 2022, at 7:14 PM, Grey Smith  wrote:
>
> I don’t think anyone is suggesting the hobby is dead.
> I suggest the Heritage auction this weekend will do millions.
> Rich’s point was merely a moment in time comparison to the huge explosion
> of other hobbies.
> I am frankly excited for the future!
> If prices lag, I will buy. If they grow I will smile.
> Indeed it is a wonderful hobby!
> G.
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 7:00 PM Susan Heim  wrote:
>
>> Boy if you were watching Bruce's auction yesterday, there are definitely
>> certain titles that don't seem to be slowing down in value growth.  I sold
>> my Pinocchio one sheet
>> a few years back for $6500, a good price at the time.  Yesterday, it went
>> for close to $11,000 and those Marx Brothers cards went for a bundle. I was
>> amazed at
>> some of the prices Bruce's auction realized..a very good job with a
>> good variety of material.  I had many customers who called me this morning
>> to order
>> frames for what they had purchased.
>>
>> I do an enormous amount of framing for the hobby and I have new
>> collectors coming into the hobby every week.  A lot of them are young guys
>> who
>> begin by collecting material from the 1970's and 1980's and pretty soon
>> start collecting material from the 1940's, 50's and 60's.and they have
>> a lot of
>> disposable income.
>>
>> So, I think the poster hobby is still pretty strong.  The example of the
>> Forbidden Planet one sheet going for $8700+ yesterday is not unusual as
>> that poster
>> fluctuates around all the time.  Remember, one sold at Heritage just a
>> few months ago in November for $15,000.  I sold my own copy for $12,000
>> last year.
>>
>> So, while we may be losing collectors in our hobby due to age or
>> switching to other collectables, we've got a lot of new collectors coming
>> into the hobby
>> with a lot of money to spend and big theater rooms to display everything.
>>
>> Sue
>> Hollywood Poster Frames
>>
>> --
>> *From:* MoPo List  on behalf of Michael
>> Danese <013d65768e00-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu>
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 18, 2022 9:42 PM
>> *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
>> *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Interesting.
>>
>> All sad but true. I liquidated a large part of my collection a few years
>> ago with Grey’s help. I’m happy with what I kept, bu

[MOPO] Aw: Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

[Helmut Hamm]

The VHS market apparently is still alive and kicking. I remember speaking to a collector a few years back who told me that FAKE cover inlays of rare VHS tape have become a serious issue. Tbh, I didn‘t know people would collect VHS covers to begin with.

 

As to the Status Quo of movie poster collecting: For a few years, the prices for 50s Scifi posters have been going down. Many of the mid-level titles can now be found for more or less the same price they sold for 20 years ago. As in pretty much every other field, the top-end titles seem to hold their value. 

 

At the same time, prices for 70s and 80s titles have gone through the roof. And I still remember the days when bigshot dealers declared these would NEVER be worth ANYTHING. 

 

As to comic books: In the 1980s, there was a major hype about new comics, ten thousands of people were hoarding comic books as a investment. Big business for the publishers and dealers, but I seriously doubt that too many collectors have ever seen their money back.


 

Helmut



Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. April 2022 um 02:31 Uhr
Von: "Kirby McDaniel" 
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Betreff: Re: [MOPO] Interesting.


A slabbed VHS tape.  Now that really is funny.  Now what would be the ultimate VHS tape?  Maybe the boxed set of PEEWEE'S PLAYHOUSE?
 

Kirby
 

On Apr 18, 2022, at 7:14 PM, Grey Smith <greysm6...@gmail.com> wrote:
 


I don’t think anyone is suggesting the hobby is dead.

I suggest the Heritage auction this weekend will do millions.

Rich’s point was merely a moment in time comparison to the huge explosion of other hobbies.

I am frankly excited for the future!

If prices lag, I will buy. If they grow I will smile.

Indeed it is a wonderful hobby!

G.

 

On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 7:00 PM Susan Heim <filmfantast...@msn.com> wrote:



Boy if you were watching Bruce's auction yesterday, there are definitely certain titles that don't seem to be slowing down in value growth.  I sold my Pinocchio one sheet

a few years back for $6500, a good price at the time.  Yesterday, it went for close to $11,000 and those Marx Brothers cards went for a bundle. I was amazed at

some of the prices Bruce's auction realized..a very good job with a good variety of material.  I had many customers who called me this morning to order

frames for what they had purchased.

 

I do an enormous amount of framing for the hobby and I have new collectors coming into the hobby every week.  A lot of them are young guys who 

begin by collecting material from the 1970's and 1980's and pretty soon start collecting material from the 1940's, 50's and 60's.and they have a lot of

disposable income. 

 

So, I think the poster hobby is still pretty strong.  The example of the Forbidden Planet one sheet going for $8700+ yesterday is not unusual as that poster

fluctuates around all the time.  Remember, one sold at Heritage just a few months ago in November for $15,000.  I sold my own copy for $12,000 last year.

 

So, while we may be losing collectors in our hobby due to age or switching to other collectables, we've got a lot of new collectors coming into the hobby

with a lot of money to spend and big theater rooms to display everything.

 

Sue

Hollywood Poster Frames

 


From: MoPo List <mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> on behalf of Michael Danese <013d65768e00-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 9:42 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU <MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

 


All sad but true. I liquidated a large part of my collection a few years ago with Grey’s help. I’m happy with what I kept, but miss a lot of what I sold. All for the best. 
The folks that love posters will continue to love them, but the reality is that the number of those folks is shrinking. 

Yes, buy what you love and you won’t be disappointed. 
 
Thanks,
MIchael Danese


 
On Apr 18, 2022, at 5:16 PM, Grey Smith <greysm6...@gmail.com> wrote:
 














All well said and sadly, many very obvious points, Rich. I think Heritage will either keep the auction I built and succeeded with as much as any house out there, or they will combine it with the Entertainment memorabilia venue and cut back the quantity sold. 
Many of the other collectibles have dramatically risen in value due to third-party slabbing and grading, as you mention, which has led to tremendous competition. Competition to complete runs in VF condition as with what has happened in coins, ball cards, and especially comics. And I suggest the staggering prices in comic art are an off-shoot of the comic book explosion. 

Yet, when an attempt was made to slab lobbies, MWC, which look fabulous, it was generally pooh-poohed by the hobby.

I fear that posters may never explode as they are and never have been a revered part of one's childhood like so many other collectibles are as they were made t

Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

[Alan Adler]

 purchased.
>>> I do an enormous amount of framing for the hobby and I have new
>>> collectors coming into the hobby every week. A lot of them are young
>>> guys who
>>> begin by collecting material from the 1970's and 1980's and pretty
>>> soon start collecting material from the 1940's, 50's and
>>> 60's.and they have a lot of
>>> disposable income.
>>> So, I think the poster hobby is still pretty strong. The example of
>>> the Forbidden Planet one sheet going for $8700+ yesterday is not
>>> unusual as that poster
>>> fluctuates around all the time. Remember, one sold at Heritage just
>>> a few months ago in November for $15,000. I sold my own copy for
>>> $12,000 last year.
>>> So, while we may be losing collectors in our hobby due to age or
>>> switching to other collectables, we've got a lot of new collectors
>>> coming into the hobby
>>> with a lot of money to spend and big theater rooms to display
>>> everything.
>>> Sue
>>> Hollywood Poster Frames
>>> -
>>> FROM: MoPo List  on behalf of Michael
>>> Danese <013d65768e00-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu>
>>> SENT: Monday, April 18, 2022 9:42 PM
>>> TO: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
>>> SUBJECT: Re: [MOPO] Interesting.
>>> All sad but true. I liquidated a large part of my collection a few
>>> years ago with Grey’s help. I’m happy with what I kept, but miss
>>> a lot of what I sold. All for the best.
>>> The folks that love posters will continue to love them, but the
>>> reality is that the number of those folks is shrinking.
>>> Yes, buy what you love and you won’t be disappointed.
>>> Thanks,
>>> MIchael Danese
>>> On Apr 18, 2022, at 5:16 PM, Grey Smith 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> All well said and sadly, many very obvious points, Rich. I think
>>> Heritage will either keep the auction I built and succeeded with as
>>> much as any house out there, or they will combine it with the
>>> Entertainment memorabilia venue and cut back the quantity sold.
>>> Many of the other collectibles have dramatically risen in value due
>>> to third-party slabbing and grading, as you mention, which has led
>>> to tremendous competition. Competition to complete runs in VF
>>> condition as with what has happened in coins, ball cards, and
>>> especially comics. And I suggest the staggering prices in comic art
>>> are an off-shoot of the comic book explosion.
>>> Yet, when an attempt was made to slab lobbies, MWC, which look
>>> fabulous, it was generally pooh-poohed by the hobby.
>>> I fear that posters may never explode as they are and never have
>>> been a revered part of one's childhood like so many other
>>> collectibles are as they were made to be collected. Posters were
>>> not. One just has to love having them and owning them, regardless of
>>> the investment value. Why I always say, buy what you love; then if
>>> you sell for a loss, you have had the pride of owning it.
>>> I have always worked to get the posters seen, as by seeing them,
>>> especially in person, one can see the magnificent beauty of the
>>> artwork.
>>> This hobby seems to be the best-kept secret of all collectibles!
>>> And finally, if you are looking for a fabulous selection of posters,
>>> maybe one of the best in years, go to www.HA.com/7272 [1].
>>> This weekend, Saturday and Sunday!
>>> It will blow your mind!
>>> Grey
>>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Richard Halegua
>>>  wrote:
>>> It's no surprise to me that Heritage wants to 'up the ante'
>>> Heritage Signature auctions are a showcase, and it is the lowest
>>> performing segment of their categories and there is a good
>>> reason for it..
>>> the movie poster hobby.. is broken
>>> let's take a look at other hobbies,like comic book and art.
>>> This field has exploded. The increases in values over the past 20
>>> years is amazing, and the last 2 years has been totally off the
>>> charts.
>>> fantastic Four #1 sold for $1.5M
>>> Captain America #1 sold for $3.1M
>>> the page of art by Mike Zeck that introduces Spidey's symbiotic
>>> costume sod for a whopping $3.36M
>>> and only a couple weeks ago, the Mile High copy of Superman #1 sold
>>> for $5.3M
>>> please, tell me what movie posters are an analog for such ac

Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

[Tom Martin]

n behalf of Michael
Danese <013d65768e00-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu>
SENT: Monday, April 18, 2022 9:42 PM
TO: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
SUBJECT: Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

All sad but true. I liquidated a large part of my collection a few
years ago with Grey’s help. I’m happy with what I kept, but miss
a lot of what I sold. All for the best.
The folks that love posters will continue to love them, but the
reality is that the number of those folks is shrinking.
Yes, buy what you love and you won’t be disappointed.

Thanks,
MIchael Danese

On Apr 18, 2022, at 5:16 PM, Grey Smith 
wrote:



All well said and sadly, many very obvious points, Rich. I think
Heritage will either keep the auction I built and succeeded with as
much as any house out there, or they will combine it with the
Entertainment memorabilia venue and cut back the quantity sold.
Many of the other collectibles have dramatically risen in value due
to third-party slabbing and grading, as you mention, which has led
to tremendous competition. Competition to complete runs in VF
condition as with what has happened in coins, ball cards, and
especially comics. And I suggest the staggering prices in comic art
are an off-shoot of the comic book explosion.
Yet, when an attempt was made to slab lobbies, MWC, which look
fabulous, it was generally pooh-poohed by the hobby.
I fear that posters may never explode as they are and never have
been a revered part of one's childhood like so many other
collectibles are as they were made to be collected. Posters were
not. One just has to love having them and owning them, regardless of
the investment value. Why I always say, buy what you love; then if
you sell for a loss, you have had the pride of owning it.
I have always worked to get the posters seen, as by seeing them,
especially in person, one can see the magnificent beauty of the
artwork.
This hobby seems to be the best-kept secret of all collectibles!
And finally, if you are looking for a fabulous selection of posters,
maybe one of the best in years, go to www.HA.com/7272 [1].
This weekend, Saturday and Sunday!
It will blow your mind!
Grey

On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Richard Halegua
 wrote:

It's no surprise to me that Heritage wants to 'up the ante'

Heritage Signature auctions are a showcase, and it is the lowest
performing segment of their categories and there is a good
reason for it..

the movie poster hobby.. is broken

let's take a look at other hobbies,like comic book and art.
This field has exploded. The increases in values over the past 20
years is amazing, and the last 2 years has been totally off the
charts.
fantastic Four #1 sold for $1.5M
Captain America #1 sold for $3.1M
the page of art by Mike Zeck that introduces Spidey's symbiotic
costume sod for a whopping $3.36M
and only a couple weeks ago, the Mile High copy of Superman #1 sold
for $5.3M

please, tell me what movie posters are an analog for such activity?
I'll wait.

but there's more.

Slabbed VHS tapes are out-performing movie posters
Slabbed Magic the Gathering cards are out-performing movie posters
Slabbed Pokemon cards are out-performing movie posters

where are movie posters going? With the exception of some small
areas like Star Wars, jaws, Halloween, Scream.. Mondo posters (these
are factually. art prints, not movie posters), poster prices are
dead in the water.

In 2005, when I still had my gallery, I sold the last Forbidden
Planet one sheet I had for $8500.
Sunday, a Forbidden Planet one sheet sold for $8768.00
17 years later, and it's only worth the same price?

please, tell me where an investment value is exhibited here.

Great movie posters like Day the Earth Stood Still, Wizard of Oz,
Gone With the Wind, Ray Harryhausen titles etc etc etc.. where have
they gone?
Has even one of these titles kept up with inflationary values?

NO.

Movie posters are being left in the dust.

Why?

In comics, values are measured by the highest prices achieved. So
every Captain America #1 was repriced last week to meet what is the
current appearance of increased values.
Every Steve Ditko page is marked up
Every Jack Kirby page is marked up and Terry & my own beloved EC
art (neither of us has any at this point) is shooting up like bottle
rockets on the Fourth of July

But in movie posters, prices are measured by how many posters sell
under $20.
exactly how does that benefit the business end, or the investment
expectation people have when they spend money on tangible objects?

In the comics hobby, if you have a collection you pieced together
for 10 years, you probably are not going to lose money on it, but if
you collected movie posters (in the general area up to certain
values 5-10k), you will be lucky to get 30-50% of your costs when
you sell your collection.

Fact, $8500 properly invested in 2005 should be worth at least
$20,000 today, and if it isn't, that is a real loss of dollars and
of your future.

Back to

Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

[Roland Lataille]

 Seeing high prices on eBay for VHS tapes - 
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=vhs+tapes&_sacat=309&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1&_sop=16


On Monday, April 18, 2022, 08:31:50 PM EDT, Kirby McDaniel 
 wrote:  
 
 A slabbed VHS tape.  Now that really is funny.  Now what would be the ultimate 
VHS tape?  Maybe the boxed set of PEEWEE'S PLAYHOUSE?
Kirby


On Apr 18, 2022, at 7:14 PM, Grey Smith  wrote:
I don’t think anyone is suggesting the hobby is dead.I suggest the Heritage 
auction this weekend will do millions.Rich’s point was merely a moment in time 
comparison to the huge explosion of other hobbies.I am frankly excited for the 
future!If prices lag, I will buy. If they grow I will smile.Indeed it is a 
wonderful hobby!G.
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 7:00 PM Susan Heim  wrote:

Boy if you were watching Bruce's auction yesterday, there are definitely 
certain titles that don't seem to be slowing down in value growth.  I sold my 
Pinocchio one sheeta few years back for $6500, a good price at the time.  
Yesterday, it went for close to $11,000 and those Marx Brothers cards went for 
a bundle. I was amazed atsome of the prices Bruce's auction realized..a 
very good job with a good variety of material.  I had many customers who called 
me this morning to orderframes for what they had purchased.
I do an enormous amount of framing for the hobby and I have new collectors 
coming into the hobby every week.  A lot of them are young guys who begin by 
collecting material from the 1970's and 1980's and pretty soon start collecting 
material from the 1940's, 50's and 60's.and they have a lot ofdisposable 
income. 
So, I think the poster hobby is still pretty strong.  The example of the 
Forbidden Planet one sheet going for $8700+ yesterday is not unusual as that 
posterfluctuates around all the time.  Remember, one sold at Heritage just a 
few months ago in November for $15,000.  I sold my own copy for $12,000 last 
year.
So, while we may be losing collectors in our hobby due to age or switching to 
other collectables, we've got a lot of new collectors coming into the hobbywith 
a lot of money to spend and big theater rooms to display everything.
SueHollywood Poster FramesFrom: MoPo List  on 
behalf of Michael Danese <013d65768e00-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 9:42 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting. All sad but true. I liquidated a large part of 
my collection a few years ago with Grey’s help. I’m happy with what I kept, but 
miss a lot of what I sold. All for the best. The folks that love posters will 
continue to love them, but the reality is that the number of those folks is 
shrinking. Yes, buy what you love and you won’t be disappointed. 

Thanks,MIchael Danese

On Apr 18, 2022, at 5:16 PM, Grey Smith  wrote:





All well said and sadly, many very obvious points, Rich. I think Heritage will 
either keep the auction I built and succeeded with as much as any house out 
there, or they will combine it with the Entertainment memorabilia venue and cut 
back the quantity sold. Many of the other collectibles have dramatically risen 
in value due to third-party slabbing and grading, as you mention, which has led 
to tremendous competition. Competition to complete runs in VF condition as with 
what has happened in coins, ball cards, and especially comics. And I suggest 
the staggering prices in comic art are an off-shoot of the comic book 
explosion. Yet, when an attempt was made to slab lobbies, MWC, which look 
fabulous, it was generally pooh-poohed by the hobby.I fear that posters may 
never explode as they are and never have been a revered part of one's childhood 
like so many other collectibles are as they were made to be collected. Posters 
were not. One just has to love having them and owning them, regardless of the 
investment value. Why I always say, buy what you love; then if you sell for a 
loss, you have had the pride of owning it. I have always worked to get the 
posters seen, as by seeing them, especially in person, one can see the 
magnificent beauty of the artwork. This hobby seems to be the best-kept secret 
of all collectibles!And finally, if you are looking for a fabulous selection of 
posters, maybe one of the best in years, go towww.HA.com/7272.This weekend, 
Saturday and Sunday!It will blow your mind! Grey
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Richard Halegua  wrote:


It's no surprise to me that Heritage wants to 'up the ante'

Heritage Signature auctions are a showcase, and it is the lowest performing 
segment of their categories and there is a good reason for it..

the movie poster hobby.. is broken

let's take a look at other hobbies,like comic book and art.
This field has exploded. The increases in values over the past 20 years is 
amazing, and the last 2 years has been totally off the charts.
fantastic 

Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

[Kirby McDaniel]

A slabbed VHS tape.  Now that really is funny.  Now what would be the ultimate 
VHS tape?  Maybe the boxed set of PEEWEE'S PLAYHOUSE?

Kirby

> On Apr 18, 2022, at 7:14 PM, Grey Smith  wrote:
> 
> I don’t think anyone is suggesting the hobby is dead.
> I suggest the Heritage auction this weekend will do millions.
> Rich’s point was merely a moment in time comparison to the huge explosion of 
> other hobbies.
> I am frankly excited for the future!
> If prices lag, I will buy. If they grow I will smile.
> Indeed it is a wonderful hobby!
> G.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 7:00 PM Susan Heim  <mailto:filmfantast...@msn.com>> wrote:
> Boy if you were watching Bruce's auction yesterday, there are definitely 
> certain titles that don't seem to be slowing down in value growth.  I sold my 
> Pinocchio one sheet
> a few years back for $6500, a good price at the time.  Yesterday, it went for 
> close to $11,000 and those Marx Brothers cards went for a bundle. I was 
> amazed at
> some of the prices Bruce's auction realized..a very good job with a good 
> variety of material.  I had many customers who called me this morning to order
> frames for what they had purchased.
> 
> I do an enormous amount of framing for the hobby and I have new collectors 
> coming into the hobby every week.  A lot of them are young guys who 
> begin by collecting material from the 1970's and 1980's and pretty soon start 
> collecting material from the 1940's, 50's and 60's.and they have a lot of
> disposable income. 
> 
> So, I think the poster hobby is still pretty strong.  The example of the 
> Forbidden Planet one sheet going for $8700+ yesterday is not unusual as that 
> poster
> fluctuates around all the time.  Remember, one sold at Heritage just a few 
> months ago in November for $15,000.  I sold my own copy for $12,000 last year.
> 
> So, while we may be losing collectors in our hobby due to age or switching to 
> other collectables, we've got a lot of new collectors coming into the hobby
> with a lot of money to spend and big theater rooms to display everything.
> 
> Sue
> Hollywood Poster Frames
> From: MoPo List  <mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>> on behalf of Michael Danese 
> <013d65768e00-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu 
> <mailto:013d65768e00-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu>>
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 9:42 PM
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> 
> mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>>
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting.
>  
> All sad but true. I liquidated a large part of my collection a few years ago 
> with Grey’s help. I’m happy with what I kept, but miss a lot of what I sold. 
> All for the best. 
> The folks that love posters will continue to love them, but the reality is 
> that the number of those folks is shrinking. 
> Yes, buy what you love and you won’t be disappointed. 
> 
> Thanks,
> MIchael Danese
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2022, at 5:16 PM, Grey Smith > <mailto:greysm6...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
> 
>> All well said and sadly, many very obvious points, Rich. I think Heritage 
>> will either keep the auction I built and succeeded with as much as any house 
>> out there, or they will combine it with the Entertainment memorabilia venue 
>> and cut back the quantity sold. 
>> Many of the other collectibles have dramatically risen in value due to 
>> third-party slabbing and grading, as you mention, which has led to 
>> tremendous competition. Competition to complete runs in VF condition as with 
>> what has happened in coins, ball cards, and especially comics. And I suggest 
>> the staggering prices in comic art are an off-shoot of the comic book 
>> explosion. 
>> Yet, when an attempt was made to slab lobbies, MWC, which look fabulous, it 
>> was generally pooh-poohed by the hobby.
>> I fear that posters may never explode as they are and never have been a 
>> revered part of one's childhood like so many other collectibles are as they 
>> were made to be collected. Posters were not. One just has to love having 
>> them and owning them, regardless of the investment value. Why I always say, 
>> buy what you love; then if you sell for a loss, you have had the pride of 
>> owning it. 
>> I have always worked to get the posters seen, as by seeing them, especially 
>> in person, one can see the magnificent beauty of the artwork. 
>> This hobby seems to be the best-kept secret of all collectibles!
>> And finally, if you are looking for a fabulous selection of posters, maybe 
>> one of the best in years, go to www.HA.com/7272

Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

[Grey Smith]

I don’t think anyone is suggesting the hobby is dead.
I suggest the Heritage auction this weekend will do millions.
Rich’s point was merely a moment in time comparison to the huge explosion
of other hobbies.
I am frankly excited for the future!
If prices lag, I will buy. If they grow I will smile.
Indeed it is a wonderful hobby!
G.

On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 7:00 PM Susan Heim  wrote:

> Boy if you were watching Bruce's auction yesterday, there are definitely
> certain titles that don't seem to be slowing down in value growth.  I sold
> my Pinocchio one sheet
> a few years back for $6500, a good price at the time.  Yesterday, it went
> for close to $11,000 and those Marx Brothers cards went for a bundle. I was
> amazed at
> some of the prices Bruce's auction realized..a very good job with a
> good variety of material.  I had many customers who called me this morning
> to order
> frames for what they had purchased.
>
> I do an enormous amount of framing for the hobby and I have new
> collectors coming into the hobby every week.  A lot of them are young guys
> who
> begin by collecting material from the 1970's and 1980's and pretty soon
> start collecting material from the 1940's, 50's and 60's.and they have
> a lot of
> disposable income.
>
> So, I think the poster hobby is still pretty strong.  The example of the
> Forbidden Planet one sheet going for $8700+ yesterday is not unusual as
> that poster
> fluctuates around all the time.  Remember, one sold at Heritage just a few
> months ago in November for $15,000.  I sold my own copy for $12,000 last
> year.
>
> So, while we may be losing collectors in our hobby due to age or switching
> to other collectables, we've got a lot of new collectors coming into the
> hobby
> with a lot of money to spend and big theater rooms to display everything.
>
> Sue
> Hollywood Poster Frames
> --
> *From:* MoPo List  on behalf of Michael
> Danese <013d65768e00-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 18, 2022 9:42 PM
> *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
> *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Interesting.
>
> All sad but true. I liquidated a large part of my collection a few years
> ago with Grey’s help. I’m happy with what I kept, but miss a lot of what I
> sold. All for the best.
> The folks that love posters will continue to love them, but the reality is
> that the number of those folks is shrinking.
> Yes, buy what you love and you won’t be disappointed.
>
> Thanks,
> MIchael Danese
>
> On Apr 18, 2022, at 5:16 PM, Grey Smith  wrote:
>
> 
>
> All well said and sadly, many very obvious points, Rich. I think Heritage
> will either keep the auction I built and succeeded with as much as any
> house out there, or they will combine it with the Entertainment memorabilia
> venue and cut back the quantity sold.
> Many of the other collectibles have dramatically risen in value due to
> third-party slabbing and grading, as you mention, which has led to
> tremendous competition. Competition to complete runs in VF condition as
> with what has happened in coins, ball cards, and especially comics. And I
> suggest the staggering prices in comic art are an off-shoot of the comic
> book explosion.
> Yet, when an attempt was made to slab lobbies, MWC, which look fabulous,
> it was generally pooh-poohed by the hobby.
> I fear that posters may never explode as they are and never have been a
> revered part of one's childhood like so many other collectibles are as they
> were made to be collected. Posters were not. One just has to love having
> them and owning them, regardless of the investment value. Why I always say,
> buy what you love; then if you sell for a loss, you have had the pride of
> owning it.
> I have always worked to get the posters seen, as by seeing them,
> especially in person, one can see the magnificent beauty of the artwork.
> This hobby seems to be the best-kept secret of all collectibles!
> And finally, if you are looking for a fabulous selection of posters, maybe
> one of the best in years, go to www.HA.com/7272.
> This weekend, Saturday and Sunday!
> It will blow your mind!
> Grey
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Richard Halegua 
> wrote:
>
> It's no surprise to me that Heritage wants to 'up the ante'
>
> Heritage Signature auctions are a showcase, and it is the lowest
> performing segment of their categories and there is a good reason for
> it..
>
> the movie poster hobby.. is broken
>
> let's take a look at other hobbies,like comic book and art.
> This field has exploded. The increases in values over the past 20 years is
> amazing, and the last 2 years has

Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

[Susan Heim]

Boy if you were watching Bruce's auction yesterday, there are definitely 
certain titles that don't seem to be slowing down in value growth.  I sold my 
Pinocchio one sheet
a few years back for $6500, a good price at the time.  Yesterday, it went for 
close to $11,000 and those Marx Brothers cards went for a bundle. I was amazed 
at
some of the prices Bruce's auction realized..a very good job with a good 
variety of material.  I had many customers who called me this morning to order
frames for what they had purchased.

I do an enormous amount of framing for the hobby and I have new collectors 
coming into the hobby every week.  A lot of them are young guys who
begin by collecting material from the 1970's and 1980's and pretty soon start 
collecting material from the 1940's, 50's and 60's.and they have a lot of
disposable income.

So, I think the poster hobby is still pretty strong.  The example of the 
Forbidden Planet one sheet going for $8700+ yesterday is not unusual as that 
poster
fluctuates around all the time.  Remember, one sold at Heritage just a few 
months ago in November for $15,000.  I sold my own copy for $12,000 last year.

So, while we may be losing collectors in our hobby due to age or switching to 
other collectables, we've got a lot of new collectors coming into the hobby
with a lot of money to spend and big theater rooms to display everything.

Sue
Hollywood Poster Frames

From: MoPo List  on behalf of Michael Danese 
<013d65768e00-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 9:42 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

All sad but true. I liquidated a large part of my collection a few years ago 
with Grey’s help. I’m happy with what I kept, but miss a lot of what I sold. 
All for the best.
The folks that love posters will continue to love them, but the reality is that 
the number of those folks is shrinking.
Yes, buy what you love and you won’t be disappointed.

Thanks,
MIchael Danese

On Apr 18, 2022, at 5:16 PM, Grey Smith  wrote:


All well said and sadly, many very obvious points, Rich. I think Heritage will 
either keep the auction I built and succeeded with as much as any house out 
there, or they will combine it with the Entertainment memorabilia venue and cut 
back the quantity sold.
Many of the other collectibles have dramatically risen in value due to 
third-party slabbing and grading, as you mention, which has led to tremendous 
competition. Competition to complete runs in VF condition as with what has 
happened in coins, ball cards, and especially comics. And I suggest the 
staggering prices in comic art are an off-shoot of the comic book explosion.
Yet, when an attempt was made to slab lobbies, MWC, which look fabulous, it was 
generally pooh-poohed by the hobby.
I fear that posters may never explode as they are and never have been a revered 
part of one's childhood like so many other collectibles are as they were made 
to be collected. Posters were not. One just has to love having them and owning 
them, regardless of the investment value. Why I always say, buy what you love; 
then if you sell for a loss, you have had the pride of owning it.
I have always worked to get the posters seen, as by seeing them, especially in 
person, one can see the magnificent beauty of the artwork.
This hobby seems to be the best-kept secret of all collectibles!
And finally, if you are looking for a fabulous selection of posters, maybe one 
of the best in years, go to www.HA.com/7272<http://www.HA.com/7272>.
This weekend, Saturday and Sunday!
It will blow your mind!
Grey

On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Richard Halegua 
mailto:sa...@comic-art.com>> wrote:

It's no surprise to me that Heritage wants to 'up the ante'

Heritage Signature auctions are a showcase, and it is the lowest performing 
segment of their categories and there is a good reason for it..

the movie poster hobby.. is broken

let's take a look at other hobbies,like comic book and art.
This field has exploded. The increases in values over the past 20 years is 
amazing, and the last 2 years has been totally off the charts.
fantastic Four #1 sold for $1.5M
Captain America #1 sold for $3.1M
the page of art by Mike Zeck that introduces Spidey's symbiotic costume sod for 
a whopping $3.36M
and only a couple weeks ago, the Mile High copy of Superman #1 sold for $5.3M

please, tell me what movie posters are an analog for such activity? I'll 
wait.

but there's more.

Slabbed VHS tapes are out-performing movie posters
Slabbed Magic the Gathering cards are out-performing movie posters
Slabbed Pokemon cards are out-performing movie posters

where are movie posters going? With the exception of some small areas like Star 
Wars, jaws, Halloween, Scream.. Mondo posters (these are factually. art prints, 
not movie posters), poster pr

Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

[Moviemem Original Movie Posters]

I don’t think the hobby is broken.

Not sure that values or price increases for high end material should be the 
sole criteria in determining how things stand. One thing that certainly affects 
values is that there is an absolute mountain of material out there with more 
large collections surfacing with great regularity.

However, I would have thought that the same is true with comics and other 
collectibles. There is a huge amount of low value material that will never 
increase in value. Dealers have massive stockpiles of comics or baseball cards 
that are near impossible to sell.

I have purchased some major collections in recent months and it is generally a 
case where 90% is very low value material. The higher end posters do seem to be 
increasing in value but the interest in genres has evolved so some titles that 
might have been considered high end 30 years ago have decreased in value simply 
because of the age of collectors.

Posters for films like Jaws, The Goonies, 70s and 80s Horror, Back to the 
Future, Star Wars, etc have increased massively in value. There has been a huge 
increase in new younger collectors whose interest is in films from the 70s 
onwards. They have little to no interest in older posters and genres like 
Westerns, etc.

Of course, postage is becoming a major issue with costs increasing and it has 
become much more difficult to sell to Europe due to the changes in customs 
regulations.

However from my point of view, the hobby is booming. Our sales have escalated 
over the last few years to the point where we don’t have the time or the need 
to advertise or try and hawk business on Social Media. I have no doubts that 
there is now more interest in movie posters than ever.

Regards

John

John Reid
Moviemem Original Movie Posters
www.moviemem.com<http://www.moviemem.com/>
PO Box 92
Elanora
Qld 4221
Australia
Phone: 0414 720 369



From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Richard 
Halegua
Sent: 19 April, 2022 6:27 AM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting.


It's no surprise to me that Heritage wants to 'up the ante'

Heritage Signature auctions are a showcase, and it is the lowest performing 
segment of their categories and there is a good reason for it..

the movie poster hobby.. is broken

let's take a look at other hobbies,like comic book and art.
This field has exploded. The increases in values over the past 20 years is 
amazing, and the last 2 years has been totally off the charts.
fantastic Four #1 sold for $1.5M
Captain America #1 sold for $3.1M
the page of art by Mike Zeck that introduces Spidey's symbiotic costume sod for 
a whopping $3.36M
and only a couple weeks ago, the Mile High copy of Superman #1 sold for $5.3M

please, tell me what movie posters are an analog for such activity? I'll 
wait.

but there's more.

Slabbed VHS tapes are out-performing movie posters
Slabbed Magic the Gathering cards are out-performing movie posters
Slabbed Pokemon cards are out-performing movie posters

where are movie posters going? With the exception of some small areas like Star 
Wars, jaws, Halloween, Scream.. Mondo posters (these are factually. art prints, 
not movie posters), poster prices are dead in the water.

In 2005, when I still had my gallery, I sold the last Forbidden Planet one 
sheet I had for $8500.
Sunday, a Forbidden Planet one sheet sold for $8768.00
17 years later, and it's only worth the same price?

please, tell me where an investment value is exhibited here.

Great movie posters like Day the Earth Stood Still, Wizard of Oz, Gone With the 
Wind, Ray Harryhausen titles etc etc etc.. where have they gone?
Has even one of these titles kept up with inflationary values?

NO.

Movie posters are being left in the dust.

Why?

In comics, values are measured by the highest prices achieved. So every Captain 
America #1 was repriced last week to meet what is the current appearance of 
increased values.
Every Steve Ditko page is marked up
Every Jack Kirby page is marked up and Terry & my own beloved EC art (neither 
of us has any at this point) is shooting up like bottle rockets on the Fourth 
of July

But in movie posters, prices are measured by how many posters sell under $20.
exactly how does that benefit the business end, or the investment expectation 
people have when they spend money on tangible objects?

In the comics hobby, if you have a collection you pieced together for 10 years, 
you probably are not going to lose money on it, but if you collected movie 
posters (in the general area up to certain values 5-10k), you will be lucky to 
get 30-50% of your costs when you sell your collection.

Fact, $8500 properly invested in 2005 should be worth at least $20,000 today, 
and if it isn't, that is a real loss of dollars and of your future.

Back to Heritage, another fact is that if Jim Halperin didn't like movie 
posters, they wouldn't be a sep

Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

[Michael Danese]

All sad but true. I liquidated a large part of my collection a few years ago 
with Grey’s help. I’m happy with what I kept, but miss a lot of what I sold. 
All for the best. 
The folks that love posters will continue to love them, but the reality is that 
the number of those folks is shrinking. 
Yes, buy what you love and you won’t be disappointed. 

Thanks,
MIchael Danese

> On Apr 18, 2022, at 5:16 PM, Grey Smith  wrote:
> 
> 
> All well said and sadly, many very obvious points, Rich. I think Heritage 
> will either keep the auction I built and succeeded with as much as any house 
> out there, or they will combine it with the Entertainment memorabilia venue 
> and cut back the quantity sold. 
> Many of the other collectibles have dramatically risen in value due to 
> third-party slabbing and grading, as you mention, which has led to tremendous 
> competition. Competition to complete runs in VF condition as with what has 
> happened in coins, ball cards, and especially comics. And I suggest the 
> staggering prices in comic art are an off-shoot of the comic book explosion. 
> Yet, when an attempt was made to slab lobbies, MWC, which look fabulous, it 
> was generally pooh-poohed by the hobby.
> I fear that posters may never explode as they are and never have been a 
> revered part of one's childhood like so many other collectibles are as they 
> were made to be collected. Posters were not. One just has to love having them 
> and owning them, regardless of the investment value. Why I always say, buy 
> what you love; then if you sell for a loss, you have had the pride of owning 
> it. 
> I have always worked to get the posters seen, as by seeing them, especially 
> in person, one can see the magnificent beauty of the artwork. 
> This hobby seems to be the best-kept secret of all collectibles!
> And finally, if you are looking for a fabulous selection of posters, maybe 
> one of the best in years, go to www.HA.com/7272.
> This weekend, Saturday and Sunday!
> It will blow your mind! 
> Grey
> 
>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Richard Halegua  wrote:
>> It's no surprise to me that Heritage wants to 'up the ante'
>> 
>> Heritage Signature auctions are a showcase, and it is the lowest performing 
>> segment of their categories and there is a good reason for it..
>> 
>> the movie poster hobby.. is broken
>> 
>> let's take a look at other hobbies,like comic book and art.
>> This field has exploded. The increases in values over the past 20 years is 
>> amazing, and the last 2 years has been totally off the charts.
>> fantastic Four #1 sold for $1.5M
>> Captain America #1 sold for $3.1M
>> the page of art by Mike Zeck that introduces Spidey's symbiotic costume sod 
>> for a whopping $3.36M
>> and only a couple weeks ago, the Mile High copy of Superman #1 sold for $5.3M
>> 
>> please, tell me what movie posters are an analog for such activity? I'll 
>> wait.
>> 
>> but there's more.
>> 
>> Slabbed VHS tapes are out-performing movie posters
>> Slabbed Magic the Gathering cards are out-performing movie posters
>> Slabbed Pokemon cards are out-performing movie posters
>> 
>> where are movie posters going? With the exception of some small areas like 
>> Star Wars, jaws, Halloween, Scream.. Mondo posters (these are factually. art 
>> prints, not movie posters), poster prices are dead in the water.
>> 
>> In 2005, when I still had my gallery, I sold the last Forbidden Planet one 
>> sheet I had for $8500.
>> Sunday, a Forbidden Planet one sheet sold for $8768.00
>> 17 years later, and it's only worth the same price?
>> 
>> please, tell me where an investment value is exhibited here.
>> 
>> Great movie posters like Day the Earth Stood Still, Wizard of Oz, Gone With 
>> the Wind, Ray Harryhausen titles etc etc etc.. where have they gone?
>> Has even one of these titles kept up with inflationary values?
>> 
>> NO. 
>> 
>> Movie posters are being left in the dust.
>> 
>> Why?
>> 
>> In comics, values are measured by the highest prices achieved. So every 
>> Captain America #1 was repriced last week to meet what is the current 
>> appearance of increased values.
>> Every Steve Ditko page is marked up
>> Every Jack Kirby page is marked up and Terry & my own beloved EC art 
>> (neither of us has any at this point) is shooting up like bottle rockets on 
>> the Fourth of July
>> 
>> But in movie posters, prices are measured by how many posters sell under $20.
>> exactly how does that benefit the business end, or the investment 
>> expectation people have when they spend money on tangible objects?
>> 
>> In the comics hobby, if you have a collection you pieced together for 10 
>> years, you probably are not going to lose money on it, but if you collected 
>> movie posters (in the general area up to certain values 5-10k), you will be 
>> lucky to get 30-50% of your costs when you sell your collection.
>> 
>> Fact, $8500 properly invested in 2005 should be worth at least $20,000 
>> today, and if it isn't, that is a real l

Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

[Grey Smith]

All well said and sadly, many very obvious points, Rich. I think Heritage
will either keep the auction I built and succeeded with as much as any
house out there, or they will combine it with the Entertainment memorabilia
venue and cut back the quantity sold.
Many of the other collectibles have dramatically risen in value due to
third-party slabbing and grading, as you mention, which has led to
tremendous competition. Competition to complete runs in VF condition as
with what has happened in coins, ball cards, and especially comics. And I
suggest the staggering prices in comic art are an off-shoot of the comic
book explosion.
Yet, when an attempt was made to slab lobbies, MWC, which look fabulous, it
was generally pooh-poohed by the hobby.
I fear that posters may never explode as they are and never have been a
revered part of one's childhood like so many other collectibles are as they
were made to be collected. Posters were not. One just has to love having
them and owning them, regardless of the investment value. Why I always say,
buy what you love; then if you sell for a loss, you have had the pride of
owning it.
I have always worked to get the posters seen, as by seeing them, especially
in person, one can see the magnificent beauty of the artwork.
This hobby seems to be the best-kept secret of all collectibles!
And finally, if you are looking for a fabulous selection of posters, maybe
one of the best in years, go to www.HA.com/7272.
This weekend, Saturday and Sunday!
It will blow your mind!
Grey

On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:27 PM Richard Halegua  wrote:

> It's no surprise to me that Heritage wants to 'up the ante'
>
> Heritage Signature auctions are a showcase, and it is the lowest
> performing segment of their categories and there is a good reason for
> it..
>
> the movie poster hobby.. is broken
>
> let's take a look at other hobbies,like comic book and art.
> This field has exploded. The increases in values over the past 20 years is
> amazing, and the last 2 years has been totally off the charts.
> fantastic Four #1 sold for $1.5M
> Captain America #1 sold for $3.1M
> the page of art by Mike Zeck that introduces Spidey's symbiotic costume
> sod for a whopping $3.36M
> and only a couple weeks ago, the Mile High copy of Superman #1 sold for
> $5.3M
>
> please, tell me what movie posters are an analog for such activity? I'll
> wait.
>
> but there's more.
>
> Slabbed VHS tapes are out-performing movie posters
> Slabbed Magic the Gathering cards are out-performing movie posters
> Slabbed Pokemon cards are out-performing movie posters
>
> where are movie posters going? With the exception of some small areas like
> Star Wars, jaws, Halloween, Scream.. Mondo posters (these are factually.
> art prints, not movie posters), poster prices are dead in the water.
>
> In 2005, when I still had my gallery, I sold the last Forbidden Planet one
> sheet I had for $8500.
> Sunday, a Forbidden Planet one sheet sold for $8768.00
> 17 years later, and it's only worth the same price?
>
> please, tell me where an investment value is exhibited here.
>
> Great movie posters like Day the Earth Stood Still, Wizard of Oz, Gone
> With the Wind, Ray Harryhausen titles etc etc etc.. where have they gone?
> Has even one of these titles kept up with inflationary values?
>
> NO.
>
> Movie posters are being left in the dust.
>
> Why?
>
> In comics, values are measured by the highest prices achieved. So every
> Captain America #1 was repriced last week to meet what is the current
> appearance of increased values.
> Every Steve Ditko page is marked up
> Every Jack Kirby page is marked up and Terry & my own beloved EC art
> (neither of us has any at this point) is shooting up like bottle rockets on
> the Fourth of July
>
> But in movie posters, prices are measured by how many posters sell under
> $20.
> exactly how does that benefit the business end, or the investment
> expectation people have when they spend money on tangible objects?
>
> In the comics hobby, if you have a collection you pieced together for 10
> years, you probably are not going to lose money on it, but if you collected
> movie posters (in the general area up to certain values 5-10k), you will be
> lucky to get 30-50% of your costs when you sell your collection.
>
> Fact, $8500 properly invested in 2005 should be worth at least $20,000
> today, and if it isn't, that is a real loss of dollars and of your future.
>
> Back to Heritage, another fact is that if Jim Halperin didn't like movie
> posters, they wouldn't be a separate part of their line-up anymore. They
> would be gone with the wind as a failed experiment. Grey Smith was brought
> in by Jim to create this segment and it is, sadly, the lowest performing
> area for them. Before anyone says I'm blaming Grey, no I definitely am not.
> The hobby is hamstrung by the lack of a price guide, by the lack of a
> grading system accepted and followed by *all* dealers and to be honest,
> the constant attacks on auction house

Re: [MOPO] Interesting.

[Richard Halegua]

It's no surprise to me that Heritage wants to 'up the ante'

Heritage Signature auctions are a showcase, and it is the lowest 
performing segment of their categories and there is a good reason 
for it..


the movie poster hobby.. is broken

let's take a look at other hobbies,like comic book and art.
This field has exploded. The increases in values over the past 20 years 
is amazing, and the last 2 years has been totally off the charts.

fantastic Four #1 sold for $1.5M
Captain America #1 sold for $3.1M
the page of art by Mike Zeck that introduces Spidey's symbiotic costume 
sod for a whopping $3.36M
and only a couple weeks ago, the Mile High copy of Superman #1 sold for 
$5.3M


please, tell me what movie posters are an analog for such activity? I'll 
wait.


but there's more.

Slabbed VHS tapes are out-performing movie posters
Slabbed Magic the Gathering cards are out-performing movie posters
Slabbed Pokemon cards are out-performing movie posters

where are movie posters going? With the exception of some small areas 
like Star Wars, jaws, Halloween, Scream.. Mondo posters (these are 
factually. art prints, not movie posters), poster prices are dead in the 
water.


In 2005, when I still had my gallery, I sold the last Forbidden Planet 
one sheet I had for $8500.

Sunday, a Forbidden Planet one sheet sold for $8768.00
17 years later, and it's only worth the same price?

please, tell me where an investment value is exhibited here.

Great movie posters like Day the Earth Stood Still, Wizard of Oz, Gone 
With the Wind, Ray Harryhausen titles etc etc etc.. where have they gone?

Has even one of these titles kept up with inflationary values?

NO.

Movie posters are being left in the dust.

Why?

In comics, values are measured by the highest prices achieved. So every 
Captain America #1 was repriced last week to meet what is the current 
appearance of increased values.

Every Steve Ditko page is marked up
Every Jack Kirby page is marked up and Terry & my own beloved EC art 
(neither of us has any at this point) is shooting up like bottle rockets 
on the Fourth of July


But in movie posters, prices are measured by how many posters sell under 
$20.
exactly how does that benefit the business end, or the investment 
expectation people have when they spend money on tangible objects?


In the comics hobby, if you have a collection you pieced together for 10 
years, you probably are not going to lose money on it, but if you 
collected movie posters (in the general area up to certain values 
5-10k), you will be lucky to get 30-50% of your costs when you sell your 
collection.


Fact, $8500 properly invested in 2005 should be worth at least $20,000 
today, and if it isn't, that is a real loss of dollars and of your future.


Back to Heritage, another fact is that if Jim Halperin didn't like movie 
posters, they wouldn't be a separate part of their line-up anymore. They 
would be gone with the wind as a failed experiment. Grey Smith was 
brought in by Jim to create this segment and it is, sadly, the lowest 
performing area for them. Before anyone says I'm blaming Grey, no I 
definitely am not. The hobby is hamstrung by the lack of a price guide, 
by the lack of a grading system accepted and followed by _all_ dealers 
and to be honest, the constant attacks on auction houses & dealers from 
some quarters is a major turn-off to many players.


Magic the gathering has an annual convention here in Vegas. I've been 
there. It's got free admission. It takes up about 120,000 sq feet at the 
Sands Convention Center. They get more than 40,000 people.
We have Cinevent (now the Columbus Movie Picture Show) and are lucky to 
get 300.


These comparisons are harsh and are a direct reflection of where the 
poster world stands. Heritage is trying to change that to some degree on 
the poster auctions. They feel the need for this division to increase 
annual revenues, in order to justify it's value to the corporate heads. 
As a businessman, I totally understand their perspective.


I'm not sure I have any answers on how to change the direction of this 
hobby and to be honest, the new tube surcharges levied by the USPS, UPS 
and Fedex have smacked down the value of modern rolled posters (in 
addition to fighting the "we sell 90% of our auctions under $20.. See 
how great we are"). Shipping & materials costs are brutal now. I can 
ship 10lbs of posters to L.A. via UPS for $14 (as long as it is packed 
in a triangular or square box) but a 2lb to NYC is $25-35 depending on 
which of the 3 shippers you use. Selling $100 posters you can offset 
this shipping cost (of course, it winds up in raised prices, if 
possible), but $20 are now worth $5, and no one makes a living selling 
$5 posters, not even Missouri. My tubes cost me $4.64 delivered. Try to 
add that cost into shipping & you get tagged with complaints of gouging. 
(shipping & supplies costs are never fully recouped by dealers)


The hobby is broken.. I hope Heritage can help f

[MOPO] Interesting.

[Tommy Barr]

Hi all,

I was just communicating with HA regarding the criteria for inclusion of
movie  posters in their Signature Auctions. I'm told that they are
looking for pieces which should realistically fetch a minimum of $1000, but
'that value threshold may be raised in the future as we explore other
auction formats.' Wonder what they might be?

Tommy

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Re: [MOPO] Interesting New Auction

[Jeff Potokar]

The only problem with this auction is that (from how their terms read), all 
items must be picked up. They don’t mail or ship anything… so that removed a 
huge # of potential buyers and bidders.

Unless I overlooked something, that is. 

Does anyone know for sure, if that’s the case?

Jeff





> On Jul 7, 2019, at 2:36 PM, Rudy Franchi  wrote:
> 
> Just ran across this online. Some nice stuff, fresh to the market. rudy
> 
> 
> https://www.auctionninja.com/clearinghouseestatesales/sales/details/armonk-ny-art-circus-movie-poster-auction-pickup-bridgeport-ct--1195.html
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[MOPO] Interesting New Auction

[Rudy Franchi]

Just ran across this online. Some nice stuff, fresh to the market. rudy


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[MOPO] INTERESTING ARTICLE ON DESIGNING MOVIE POSTERS

[Rudy Franchi]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/entertainment/oscar-nominees-movie-poster-design/?utm_term=.573907fd14a9

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Re: [MOPO] Interesting results at a UK auction today

[Michael Greenwood]

Sounds about right. I'm with you, Phillip!

M

From: MoPo List  on behalf of Phillip Ayling 

Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 5:52:27 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting results at a UK auction today

Timing and luck is everything. If you originally bought the poster 40 years ago 
for $3, as some have, the return beats inflation whether you sold it today or 
15 years ago. In the case of this seller's widow, it looks like many of the 
items were acquired for free, so the return on those in the aggregate ( other 
than her possible discomfort at sharing her living space with a hoarder) was 
probably way beyond her expectations.

Had the widow sold all the posters to the 'friend' for ?1,000 and had he then 
resold them within a year or two, his investment return would have been rather 
fantastic too. All in all as a collector I still feel good about what I have 
done economically in that I have made some money and not lost money. Better for 
me than investing in things I didn't understand or turn things over to a money 
manager, while hoping I'd found a good one.

From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Philipp 
Kainbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 2:23 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting results at a UK auction today

Yeahhh I sold one of my worlds quad for around 10k 15 years agoso now it 
sold for 18k ...basically your return way way less than inflation...way 
lessposters are certainly worst Investments ever...


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 17, 2017, at 11:46 AM, martin last 
mailto:martin.l...@hispeed.ch>> wrote:
Nice group of rare quads came up at a provincial auction house in the UK today.

The highest prices were for War Of The Worlds (?18,000), Forbidden Planet 
(?7,600), Dr. No (yet again - ?5,600) and Day The Earth Stood Still (tape marks 
to front ?4,300). All of these amounts are before buyer's premium/fees of ca. 
25%.

There were some crazy prices paid (e.g. Great Escape for ?3,500 before BP/fees, 
Psycho ?2,400 before BP/fees).

Astons was the auctioneer. It got fair amount of publicity, partly because the 
War Of The Worlds was on the UK Antiques Roadshow a long time ago.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2443533/film-buffs-widow-releases-his-remarkable-collection-of-230-old-movie-posters-as-they-go-on-sale-for-65000/

Here is a link to the prices:

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/astons/catalogue-id-astons10092/search-filter?sortTerm=highestimate

My guess is that Bruce and Heritage would have been struggling to get some of 
these  prices. Just goes to show that being a big fish in a small pond can work 
wonders.



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Re: [MOPO] Interesting results at a UK auction today

[Phillip Ayling]

Timing and luck is everything. If you originally bought the poster 40 years ago 
for $3, as some have, the return beats inflation whether you sold it today or 
15 years ago. In the case of this seller’s widow, it looks like many of the 
items were acquired for free, so the return on those in the aggregate ( other 
than her possible discomfort at sharing her living space with a hoarder) was 
probably way beyond her expectations.

 

Had the widow sold all the posters to the ‘friend’ for £1,000 and had he then 
resold them within a year or two, his investment return would have been rather 
fantastic too. All in all as a collector I still feel good about what I have 
done economically in that I have made some money and not lost money. Better for 
me than investing in things I didn’t understand or turn things over to a money 
manager, while hoping I’d found a good one.

 

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Kainbacher
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 2:23 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting results at a UK auction today

 

Yeahhh I sold one of my worlds quad for around 10k 15 years agoso now it 
sold for 18k ...basically your return way way less than inflation...way 
lessposters are certainly worst Investments ever...

 


Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 17, 2017, at 11:46 AM, martin last mailto:martin.l...@hispeed.ch> > wrote:

Nice group of rare quads came up at a provincial auction house in the UK today.

 

The highest prices were for War Of The Worlds (£18,000), Forbidden Planet 
(£7,600), Dr. No (yet again - £5,600) and Day The Earth Stood Still (tape marks 
to front £4,300). All of these amounts are before buyer’s premium/fees of ca. 
25%.

 

There were some crazy prices paid (e.g. Great Escape for £3,500 before BP/fees, 
Psycho £2,400 before BP/fees).

 

Astons was the auctioneer. It got fair amount of publicity, partly because the 
War Of The Worlds was on the UK Antiques Roadshow a long time ago.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2443533/film-buffs-widow-releases-his-remarkable-collection-of-230-old-movie-posters-as-they-go-on-sale-for-65000/

 

Here is a link to the prices:

 

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/astons/catalogue-id-astons10092/search-filter?sortTerm=highestimate

 

My guess is that Bruce and Heritage would have been struggling to get some of 
these  prices. Just goes to show that being a big fish in a small pond can work 
wonders.

 


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Re: [MOPO] Interesting results at a UK auction today

[Philipp Kainbacher]

Yeahhh I sold one of my worlds quad for around 10k 15 years agoso now it 
sold for 18k ...basically your return way way less than inflation...way 
lessposters are certainly worst Investments ever...


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2017, at 11:46 AM, martin last  wrote:
> 
> Nice group of rare quads came up at a provincial auction house in the UK 
> today.
>  
> The highest prices were for War Of The Worlds (£18,000), Forbidden Planet 
> (£7,600), Dr. No (yet again - £5,600) and Day The Earth Stood Still (tape 
> marks to front £4,300). All of these amounts are before buyer’s premium/fees 
> of ca. 25%.
>  
> There were some crazy prices paid (e.g. Great Escape for £3,500 before 
> BP/fees, Psycho £2,400 before BP/fees).
>  
> Astons was the auctioneer. It got fair amount of publicity, partly because 
> the War Of The Worlds was on the UK Antiques Roadshow a long time ago.
>  
> https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2443533/film-buffs-widow-releases-his-remarkable-collection-of-230-old-movie-posters-as-they-go-on-sale-for-65000/
>  
> Here is a link to the prices:
>  
> https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/astons/catalogue-id-astons10092/search-filter?sortTerm=highestimate
>  
> My guess is that Bruce and Heritage would have been struggling to get some of 
> these  prices. Just goes to show that being a big fish in a small pond can 
> work wonders.
> 
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Re: [MOPO] Interesting results at a UK auction today

[David]

Publicity, worth its weight in gold

You can blow your own horn as much as you want and some people will hear 
you, but when Louis Armstrong does it for you, everyone listens.



martin last wrote on 18/01/2017 6:46 AM:


Nice group of rare quads came up at a provincial auction house in the 
UK today.


The highest prices were for War Of The Worlds (�18,000), Forbidden 
Planet (�7,600), Dr. No (yet again - �5,600) and Day The Earth Stood 
Still (tape marks to front �4,300). All of these amounts are before 
buyer’s premium/fees of ca. 25%.


There were some crazy prices paid (e.g. Great Escape for �3,500 before 
BP/fees, Psycho �2,400 before BP/fees).


Astons was the auctioneer. It got fair amount of publicity, partly 
because the War Of The Worlds was on the UK Antiques Roadshow a long 
time ago.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2443533/film-buffs-widow-releases-his-remarkable-collection-of-230-old-movie-posters-as-they-go-on-sale-for-65000/

Here is a link to the prices:

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/astons/catalogue-id-astons10092/search-filter?sortTerm=highestimate

My guess is that Bruce and Heritage would have been struggling to get 
some of these� prices. Just goes to show that being a big fish in a 
small pond can work wonders.





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Re: [MOPO] Interesting results at a UK auction today

[Todd]

A quote from this late collector's wife.


"One of his friends, another collector, offered me £1,000 for the whole lot! I 
said no."


Nice friend.  Real nice!!  Unfortunately, 9 times out of 10, it's typical.


Todd



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Nice group of rare quads came up at a provincial auction house in the UK today.



The highest prices were for War Of The Worlds (£18,000), Forbidden Planet 
(£7,600), Dr. No (yet again - £5,600) and Day The Earth Stood Still (tape marks 
to front £4,300). All of these amounts are before buyer's premium/fees of ca. 
25%.



There were some crazy prices paid (e.g. Great Escape for £3,500 before BP/fees, 
Psycho £2,400 before BP/fees).



Astons was the auctioneer. It got fair amount of publicity, partly because the 
War Of The Worlds was on the UK Antiques Roadshow a long time ago.



https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2443533/film-buffs-widow-releases-his-remarkable-collection-of-230-old-movie-posters-as-they-go-on-sale-for-65000/

[https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/composite-filmpostersnew.jpg?strip=all&w=250&h=140&crop=1]<https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2443533/film-buffs-widow-releases-his-remarkable-collection-of-230-old-movie-posters-as-they-go-on-sale-for-65000/>

Film buff's widow releases his remarkable collection of 230 old movie posters 
as they go on sale for 
£65,000<https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2443533/film-buffs-widow-releases-his-remarkable-collection-of-230-old-movie-posters-as-they-go-on-sale-for-65000/>
www.thesun.co.uk
THE widow of a film buff has put his remarkable collection of 230 movie posters 
up for sale for £65,000. Brian O'Connor began acquiring the large 'quad' 
posters when he served in ...




Here is a link to the prices:



https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/astons/catalogue-id-astons10092/search-filter?sortTerm=highestimate

Astons Auctioneers & Valuers | Film & Music Memorabilia 
Auction<https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/astons/catalogue-id-astons10092/search-filter?sortTerm=highestimate>
www.the-saleroom.com
Bid Live at Astons Auctioneers & Valuers's Film & Music Memorabilia Auction 
auction




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these  prices. Just goes to show that being a big fish in a small pond can work 
wonders.



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[MOPO] Interesting results at a UK auction today

[martin last]

Nice group of rare quads came up at a provincial auction house in the UK
today.

 

The highest prices were for War Of The Worlds (£18,000), Forbidden Planet
(£7,600), Dr. No (yet again - £5,600) and Day The Earth Stood Still (tape
marks to front £4,300). All of these amounts are before buyer’s premium/fees
of ca. 25%.

 

There were some crazy prices paid (e.g. Great Escape for £3,500 before
BP/fees, Psycho £2,400 before BP/fees).

 

Astons was the auctioneer. It got fair amount of publicity, partly because
the War Of The Worlds was on the UK Antiques Roadshow a long time ago.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2443533/film-buffs-widow-releases-his-remarkab
le-collection-of-230-old-movie-posters-as-they-go-on-sale-for-65000/

 

Here is a link to the prices:

 

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/astons/catalogue-id-as
tons10092/search-filter?sortTerm=highestimate

 

My guess is that Bruce and Heritage would have been struggling to get some
of these  prices. Just goes to show that being a big fish in a small pond
can work wonders.


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[MOPO] interesting new poster book

[Philipp K]

this looks very interesting...enjoy
Philipp

The Art of the B Movie Poster Hardcover – October 10, 2016
by Adam Newell (Author), Pete Tombs (Author), Kim Newman (Author), Eric 
Schaefer (Author), Simon Sheridan (Author), Stephen Jones (Author), & 1more

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[MOPO] Interesting assortment of posters

[Dave Butler]

http://www.ebay.com/sch/homer**simpson/m.html?item=151410314114&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

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[MOPO] Interesting original photos up for auction on eBay

[Glenn Damato]

Folks-At this time I have  bunch of interesting original photos up for auction 
on eBay. They end tomorrow. Many have no bids at the $1.99 starting price. 
There should be some bargains. Featured items include:"Waterloo Bridge"-2 nice 
stills, "Bell Book & Candle"-2 shots=Jack Lemmon & Kim Novak, color stills of 
John Wayne & Lucille Ball, "Unconquered" plus more! Check out eBay user ID 
FANG1959 . MORE STUFF UP SOON! thanks for looking-Glenn

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[MOPO] Interesting article on movie posters

[Cory Glaberson]

 
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturepicturegalleries/11010615/How-film-posters-vary-around-the-world.html
 


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[MOPO] Interesting items on eBay for auction-some ending tonight-"Voodoo Man" lobbies, rare Suzan Ball still, Cary Grant, "Christmas in Connecticut", Gregory Peck, Doris Day, more!

[Glenn Damato]

Folks-At this time I have some interesting items up on eBay for auction, with 
many ending tonight. All started at $1.99, and many have no bids at that price. 
There should e=be some bargains. Featured items include:
"Voodoo Man'-two (2) original lobby cards, including the desirable seance card 
with Lugosi, Zucco & Carradine
"Cat & the Canary"-lobby case-cast shot
Suzan Ball-rare Universal production shot with prosthetic leg
"An Affair to Remember"-nice production shot with snipe-Cary Grant
"Green Fire"-close-up with Grace Kelly
"Written in the Wind'-nice production shot with Dorothy Malone
plus-other p-shots, portraits, & more-check out eBay user ID FANG1959 -Thanks 
for looking-Glenn

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[MOPO] INTERESTING ALTERNATIVE POSTER IDEAS FOR OSCAR BEST PICTURE NOMINEES

[Kirby McDaniel]

http://www.fastcocreate.com/1682414/a-fresh-take-on-oscars-best-picture-contenders?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+fastcompany%2Fheadlines+%28Fast+Company%29#-5

Kirby McDaniel
MovieArt Original Film Posters
P.O. Box 4419
Austin TX 78765-4419
512 479 6680  www.movieart.net
mobile 512 589 5112

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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Article About Yvette Vickers...

[John Waldman]

One of the saddest stories to come out of Hollywood lately.  The worst part- 
she died alone.
JW



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[MOPO] Interesting Article About Yvette Vickers...

[Rixposterz]

_http://www.lamag.com/features/story.aspx?ID=1638035_ 
(http://www.lamag.com/features/story.aspx?ID=1638035) 

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[MOPO] Interesting article about being an antiques dealer in a difficult environment

[Bruce Hershenson]

*
http://www.antiquetrader.com/article/behind_the_gavel_inventory_investment_perception
*

I especially like this part:
"Here is an example: Let’s say your cost of goods sold for the year is
$100,000 on sales of $200,000. The average value of your inventory is
$50,000. $100,000/50,000 = 2. You turned your inventory twice for the year
and made a gross profit of $50,000 on your $50,000 investment.
  Not bad.
  Now, let’s say that you are holding on to some slow-moving inventory,
and the average value of your inventory goes up to $75,000. So let’s figure
the inventory turnover: $100,000/$75,000 = 1.3. You turned your inventory
1.3 times and made only $25,000 on your inventory investment. You made half
as much money at the same sales level because your inventory was not turning
as fast.
  Dealers who did well this past summer were those who sold their
inventory for what the market would bear (even at a loss) and then refreshed
their inventory while buying at low prices. Dealers who did poorly were
those who held on to overvalued inventory and had no money to reinvest. The
difference between success and failure was that some dealers were willing to
see blood in the streets, even if it was their own."

I think many movie poster dealers could benefit from reading this article.
-- 
Bruce Hershenson and the other 28 members of the eMoviePoster.com team
P.O. Box 874
West Plains, MO 65775
Phone: 417-256-9616 (hours: Mon-Fri 9 to 5 except from 12 to 1 when we take
lunch)
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our auctions 

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Re: [MOPO] Interesting anti-eBay posts from a collector

[JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia]

I get about 5 packages per week and there are times when the packaging is 
pathetic including from experienced sellers. One of the problems with eBay 
is that they seem to be so focused on keeping shipping costs low that they 
completely disregard whether the item should arrive intact or damaged. 
Shipping charges affect your search standing so sellers are forced to keep 
their charges as low as possible irrespective of what it actually costs. 
Customers expect low shipping fees but they also expect full tracking, 
strong packaging and insurance. I often lose money on postage but that is 
something that you have to accept to survive on eBay.



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JOHN REID VINTAGE MOVIE MEMORABILIA
PO Box 92
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Australia
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Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting anti-eBay posts from a collector



Why are so many idiots sending movie posters or lobby cards in PADDED
emvelopes???  We are not dealing here with something that might break! We
need to secure against dents, nicks and bending.  The obvious answer is 
that
the card/poster needs to be well protected by a sufficient number of 
PROPER

cardboards.  And I say PROPER because too many sellers, even "EXPERIENCED"
ones, are using leftover scraps of cardboard, which are often smaller than
the lobby card, bent to begin with, or simply too thin or not enough of 
it.

I guess some people just don't have the "feel" of what the hell this hobby
is all about.

Zeev



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Hey, I just got an original window card in the mail from an ebay seller

this rare poster, which was nice & flat before shipping was shipped
without cardboard in a padded envelope and went from being a $300
item to a $25 item

I get so many packages from ebay sellers that are horrendous.. and
they have no freakin clue!!

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Re: [MOPO] Interesting anti-eBay posts from a collector

[Zeev Drach]

Why are so many idiots sending movie posters or lobby cards in PADDED
emvelopes???  We are not dealing here with something that might break! We
need to secure against dents, nicks and bending.  The obvious answer is that
the card/poster needs to be well protected by a sufficient number of PROPER
cardboards.  And I say PROPER because too many sellers, even "EXPERIENCED"
ones, are using leftover scraps of cardboard, which are often smaller than
the lobby card, bent to begin with, or simply too thin or not enough of it.
I guess some people just don't have the "feel" of what the hell this hobby
is all about.

Zeev



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Hey, I just got an original window card in the mail from an ebay seller

this rare poster, which was nice & flat before shipping was shipped 
without cardboard in a padded envelope and went from being a $300 
item to a $25 item

I get so many packages from ebay sellers that are horrendous.. and 
they have no freakin clue!!

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Re: [MOPO] Interesting anti-eBay posts from a collector

[John Waldman]

Yeah, I just received a rolled one sheet in a Christmas wrapping paper tube 
from an Ebay seller.  Hell, USPS can destroy a good shipping tube, let alone a 
paper thin one.  
At first I was looking at the tube thinking, that is the largest toilet paper 
tube I have ever seen.  Then I identified it for what it was.  And yes, the 
poster arrived damaged.
John





From: Steven Yafet 
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 9:57:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting anti-eBay posts from a collector

Thank you for the advice.  This seller was not new to me and their items have 
always arrived in good condition before this.  I just emailed the seller, 
letting them know that I was not happy. 

The problem here was that the cardboard already had creases in it.  The seller 
didn't use good cardboard and the photos suffered because of that.

Nathalie



On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Brude  wrote:


>I can feel your pain.
>And to reduce these painful events, I always ask sellers that are new to me to 
>package carefully, mark DO NOT BEND, sleeve the posters in a tube, etc, etc.
>I ask very nicely and then, I always follow up that request with a "I will 
>leave feedback upon receipt" to remind them that there are good and bad 
>consequences...
>Try it.  It seems to work most of the time.
>Ted
>
>--- On Thu, 4/15/10, Steven Yafet  wrote:
>
>
>>From: Steven Yafet 
>>Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting anti-eBay posts from a collector
>>To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
>>Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 8:54 PM 
>>
>>
>>
>>I understand the anger here because I am so tired of some sellers - not the 
>>majority at all but they stand out - mailing vintage items with no protection 
>>or bad protection.  For example, I bought two very nice stills last week.  
>>When I got them, they had been mailed with cardboard that had bends in both 
>>pieces.  As a result, the stills have bends right down the middle which they 
>>did not have before.  I have never left negative feedback but what is a good 
>>buyer supposed to do in a case like this?  Naturally, the stills took on the 
>>shape of the cardboard.  There have been other horror stories, too.  I get so 
>>frustrated.
>>
>>Nathalie
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Bruce Hershenson  
>>wrote:
>>
>>Noticed this new member posted the following at MPF:
>>>
>>>"I just joined this forum and I have to get something off my chest. I've 
>>>been an Ebay member for over ten years and have been collecting movie 
>>>posters since 2003 off and on. Why is getting an item in one piece or 
>>>getting an item exactly as described so freakin' hard? I don't understand it 
>>>at all. One of my pet peeves about movie posters is receiving them rolled 
>>>inside out. Do you know how hard it is to unroll an inside out poster? 
>>>Where's the common sense of it all?"
>>>
>>>and then
>>>
>>>"I received a package today from Ebay seller "backlotbooks", $220 total. 
>>>When the package arrived there wasn't even a cap on one end of the tube, 
>>>just a clear piece of tape over a plastic bag. When I took out the bag, sure 
>>>enough, there were the rolled posters with no protection, just bouncing 
>>>around inside the tube like a pinball. I took them out and there was of 
>>>course edge cracking from the shipment. Then the jerk sent me a wrong 
>>>version of one of the posters. I ordered the Advance Ghostbusters with only 
>>>the ghost, but he sent the advance with the words below the ghost. Not to 
>>>mention the fact that it was in trash condition and the one I bought was 
>>>excellent. The other 4 posters in the tube seemed decent aside from light 
>>>edge cracking from the transit. I told the seller unless he offered me a 
>>>sweetheart refund offer, I was leaving negative feedback on all purchases. 
>>>I've had it up to "here" with these sellers. I think I'm going to start 
>>>leaving
 negative feedback if ANYTHING goes wrong on the part of the seller and prompt 
and equal compensation isn't offered. ARGHH!"
>>>
>>>THIS is what you eBay sellers are up against. I feel really sorry for you. 
>>>It is like running full-speed through a minefield. The question is not IF 
>>>you will be blown up, but when.
>>>
>>>Bruce
>>>
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Re: [MOPO] Interesting anti-eBay posts from a collector

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

Hey, I just got an original window card in the mail from an ebay seller

this rare poster, which was nice & flat before shipping was shipped 
without cardboard in a padded envelope and went from being a $300 
item to a $25 item


I get so many packages from ebay sellers that are horrendous.. and 
they have no freakin clue!!


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Re: [MOPO] Interesting anti-eBay posts from a collector

[Steven Yafet]

Thank you for the advice.  This seller was not new to me and their items
have always arrived in good condition before this.  I just emailed the
seller, letting them know that I was not happy.

The problem here was that the cardboard already had creases in it.  The
seller didn't use good cardboard and the photos suffered because of that.

Nathalie


On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Brude  wrote:

>
> I can feel your pain.
> And to reduce these painful events, I always ask sellers that are new to me
> to package carefully, mark DO NOT BEND, sleeve the posters in a tube, etc,
> etc.
> I ask very nicely and then, I always follow up that request with a "I will
> leave feedback upon receipt" to remind them that there are good and bad
> consequences...
> Try it.  It seems to work most of the time.
> Ted
>
> --- On *Thu, 4/15/10, Steven Yafet * wrote:
>
>
> From: Steven Yafet 
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting anti-eBay posts from a collector
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 8:54 PM
>
>
> I understand the anger here because I am so tired of some sellers - not the
> majority at all but they stand out - mailing vintage items with no
> protection or bad protection.  For example, I bought two very nice stills
> last week.  When I got them, they had been mailed with cardboard that had
> bends in both pieces.  As a result, the stills have bends right down the
> middle which they did not have before.  I have never left negative feedback
> but what is a good buyer supposed to do in a case like this?  Naturally, the
> stills took on the shape of the cardboard.  There have been other horror
> stories, too.  I get so frustrated.
>
> Nathalie
>
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Bruce Hershenson <
> brucehershen...@gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=brucehershen...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
>> Noticed this new member posted the following at MPF:
>>
>> "I just joined this forum and I have to get something off my chest. I've
>> been an Ebay member for over ten years and have been collecting movie
>> posters since 2003 off and on. Why is getting an item in one piece or
>> getting an item exactly as described so freakin' hard? I don't understand it
>> at all. One of my pet peeves about movie posters is receiving them rolled
>> inside out. Do you know how hard it is to unroll an inside out poster?
>> Where's the common sense of it all?"
>>
>> and then
>>
>> "I received a package today from Ebay seller "backlotbooks", $220 total.
>> When the package arrived there wasn't even a cap on one end of the tube,
>> just a clear piece of tape over a plastic bag. When I took out the bag, sure
>> enough, there were the rolled posters with no protection, just bouncing
>> around inside the tube like a pinball. I took them out and there was of
>> course edge cracking from the shipment. Then the jerk sent me a wrong
>> version of one of the posters. I ordered the Advance Ghostbusters with only
>> the ghost, but he sent the advance with the words below the ghost. Not to
>> mention the fact that it was in trash condition and the one I bought was
>> excellent. The other 4 posters in the tube seemed decent aside from light
>> edge cracking from the transit. I told the seller unless he offered me a
>> sweetheart refund offer, I was leaving negative feedback on all purchases.
>> I've had it up to "here" with these sellers. I think I'm going to start
>> leaving negative feedback if ANYTHING goes wrong on the part of the seller
>> and prompt and equal compensation isn't offered. ARGHH!"
>>
>> THIS is what you eBay sellers are up against. I feel really sorry for you.
>> It is like running full-speed through a minefield. The question is not IF
>> you will be blown up, but when.
>>
>> Bruce
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Re: [MOPO] Interesting anti-eBay posts from a collector

[Brude]

I can feel your pain.
And to reduce these painful events, I always ask sellers that are new to me to 
package carefully, mark DO NOT BEND, sleeve the posters in a tube, etc, etc.
I ask very nicely and then, I always follow up that request with a "I will 
leave feedback upon receipt" to remind them that there are good and bad 
consequences...
Try it.  It seems to work most of the time.
Ted

--- On Thu, 4/15/10, Steven Yafet  wrote:

From: Steven Yafet 
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting anti-eBay posts from a collector
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 8:54 PM

I understand the anger here because I am so tired of some sellers - not the 
majority at all but they stand out - mailing vintage items with no protection 
or bad protection.  For example, I bought two very nice stills last week.  When 
I got them, they had been mailed with cardboard that had bends in both pieces.  
As a result, the stills have bends right down the middle which they did not 
have before.  I have never left negative feedback but what is a good buyer 
supposed to do in a case like this?  Naturally, the stills took on the shape of 
the cardboard.  There have been other horror stories, too.  I get so frustrated.


Nathalie

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Bruce Hershenson  
wrote:

Noticed this new member posted the following at MPF:

"I just joined this forum and I have to get something off my chest. I've
been an Ebay member for over ten years and have been collecting movie
posters since 2003 off and on. Why is getting an item in one piece or
getting an item exactly as described so freakin' hard? I don't
understand it at all. One of my pet peeves about movie posters is
receiving them rolled inside out. Do you know how hard it is to unroll
an inside out poster? Where's the common sense of it all?"

and then

"I received a package today from Ebay seller "backlotbooks", $220 total.
When the package arrived there wasn't even a cap on one end of the
tube, just a clear piece of tape over a plastic bag. When I took out
the bag, sure enough, there were the rolled posters with no protection,
just bouncing around inside the tube like a pinball. I took them out
and there was of course edge cracking from the shipment. Then the jerk
sent me a wrong version of one of the posters. I ordered the Advance
Ghostbusters with only the ghost, but he sent the advance with the
words below the ghost. Not to mention the fact that it was in trash
condition and the one I bought was excellent. The other 4 posters in
the tube seemed decent aside from light edge cracking from the transit.
I told the seller unless he offered me a sweetheart refund offer, I was
leaving negative feedback on all purchases. I've had it up to "here"
with these sellers. I think I'm going to start leaving negative
feedback if ANYTHING goes wrong on the part of the seller and prompt
and equal compensation isn't offered. ARGHH!"

THIS is what you eBay sellers are up against. I feel really sorry for you. It 
is like running full-speed through a minefield. The question is not IF you will 
be blown up, but when.



Bruce

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Re: [MOPO] Interesting anti-eBay posts from a collector

[Steven Yafet]

I understand the anger here because I am so tired of some sellers - not the
majority at all but they stand out - mailing vintage items with no
protection or bad protection.  For example, I bought two very nice stills
last week.  When I got them, they had been mailed with cardboard that had
bends in both pieces.  As a result, the stills have bends right down the
middle which they did not have before.  I have never left negative feedback
but what is a good buyer supposed to do in a case like this?  Naturally, the
stills took on the shape of the cardboard.  There have been other horror
stories, too.  I get so frustrated.

Nathalie

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Bruce Hershenson  wrote:

> Noticed this new member posted the following at MPF:
>
> "I just joined this forum and I have to get something off my chest. I've
> been an Ebay member for over ten years and have been collecting movie
> posters since 2003 off and on. Why is getting an item in one piece or
> getting an item exactly as described so freakin' hard? I don't understand it
> at all. One of my pet peeves about movie posters is receiving them rolled
> inside out. Do you know how hard it is to unroll an inside out poster?
> Where's the common sense of it all?"
>
> and then
>
> "I received a package today from Ebay seller "backlotbooks", $220 total.
> When the package arrived there wasn't even a cap on one end of the tube,
> just a clear piece of tape over a plastic bag. When I took out the bag, sure
> enough, there were the rolled posters with no protection, just bouncing
> around inside the tube like a pinball. I took them out and there was of
> course edge cracking from the shipment. Then the jerk sent me a wrong
> version of one of the posters. I ordered the Advance Ghostbusters with only
> the ghost, but he sent the advance with the words below the ghost. Not to
> mention the fact that it was in trash condition and the one I bought was
> excellent. The other 4 posters in the tube seemed decent aside from light
> edge cracking from the transit. I told the seller unless he offered me a
> sweetheart refund offer, I was leaving negative feedback on all purchases.
> I've had it up to "here" with these sellers. I think I'm going to start
> leaving negative feedback if ANYTHING goes wrong on the part of the seller
> and prompt and equal compensation isn't offered. ARGHH!"
>
> THIS is what you eBay sellers are up against. I feel really sorry for you.
> It is like running full-speed through a minefield. The question is not IF
> you will be blown up, but when.
>
> Bruce
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[MOPO] Interesting anti-eBay posts from a collector

[Bruce Hershenson]

Noticed this new member posted the following at MPF:

"I just joined this forum and I have to get something off my chest. I've
been an Ebay member for over ten years and have been collecting movie
posters since 2003 off and on. Why is getting an item in one piece or
getting an item exactly as described so freakin' hard? I don't understand it
at all. One of my pet peeves about movie posters is receiving them rolled
inside out. Do you know how hard it is to unroll an inside out poster?
Where's the common sense of it all?"

and then

"I received a package today from Ebay seller "backlotbooks", $220 total.
When the package arrived there wasn't even a cap on one end of the tube,
just a clear piece of tape over a plastic bag. When I took out the bag, sure
enough, there were the rolled posters with no protection, just bouncing
around inside the tube like a pinball. I took them out and there was of
course edge cracking from the shipment. Then the jerk sent me a wrong
version of one of the posters. I ordered the Advance Ghostbusters with only
the ghost, but he sent the advance with the words below the ghost. Not to
mention the fact that it was in trash condition and the one I bought was
excellent. The other 4 posters in the tube seemed decent aside from light
edge cracking from the transit. I told the seller unless he offered me a
sweetheart refund offer, I was leaving negative feedback on all purchases.
I've had it up to "here" with these sellers. I think I'm going to start
leaving negative feedback if ANYTHING goes wrong on the part of the seller
and prompt and equal compensation isn't offered. ARGHH!"

THIS is what you eBay sellers are up against. I feel really sorry for you.
It is like running full-speed through a minefield. The question is not IF
you will be blown up, but when.

Bruce

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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Story in Chicago Tribune

[Roland Lataille]

I guess I'll have to pay $75 to get mine listed - http://cineramahistory.com/






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Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting Story in Chicago Tribune


That Museum of Online Museums site is the biggest portal to 
losing-track-of-time in existence.

Nice to see they've got my own site listed! (Movie Title Screens - 
http://shillpages.com/movies )

-Steve





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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Story in Chicago Tribune

[Doug Taylor]

Sorry, didn't mean to embellish in my last post.

 

It is not the "Museum of Sexy PEZ Advertising".  It is merely a "Gallery".

 

Regards

 

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Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 2:36 PM
To: 'Steven Hill'; 'MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU'
Subject: RE: [MOPO] Interesting Story in Chicago Tribune

 

So, what do Donald Duck and topless women have in common?  PEZ, of course.

 

 <http://www.pezlist.com/mcpez/adultpez1.htm>
http://www.pezlist.com/mcpez/adultpez1.htm

 

What an amazing list of online museums linked in that Chicago Tribune
article.the Museum of Sexy PEZ Advertising.  What a world we've created.

 

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That Museum of Online Museums site is the biggest portal to
losing-track-of-time in existence.

Nice to see they've got my own site listed! (Movie Title Screens -
http://shillpages.com/movies )

-Steve

 

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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Story in Chicago Tribune

[Doug Taylor]

So, what do Donald Duck and topless women have in common?  PEZ, of course.

 

 <http://www.pezlist.com/mcpez/adultpez1.htm>
http://www.pezlist.com/mcpez/adultpez1.htm

 

What an amazing list of online museums linked in that Chicago Tribune
article.the Museum of Sexy PEZ Advertising.  What a world we've created.

 

Regards

 

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That Museum of Online Museums site is the biggest portal to
losing-track-of-time in existence.

Nice to see they've got my own site listed! (Movie Title Screens -
http://shillpages.com/movies )

-Steve

 

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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Story in Chicago Tribune

[Steven Hill]

That Museum of Online Museums site is the biggest portal to 
losing-track-of-time in existence.

Nice to see they've got my own site listed! (Movie Title Screens - 
http://shillpages.com/movies )

-Steve





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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Story in Chicago Tribune

[Smith, Grey - 1367]

That one is THE best!! I collect test patterns!

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Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:59 AM
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Grey, thanks for nothing. I've just spent two hours on the Museum of Vintage TV 
 Test Patterns web site. Next time you find something interesting, keep it to 
yourself.  rudy
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[MOPO] Interesting Story in Chicago Tribune

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-0214-online-museums--20100212,0,1695809.story



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Re: [MOPO] interesting ebay item

[Dave Rosen]

This sort of sign was usually hand-painted by a local signpainter. They're nice 
if you like hand-painted signs and 50s-style lettering/typography but most 
people aren't interested in them because there is no artwork.

Dave
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  Subject: [MOPO] interesting ebay item


  
http://cgi.ebay.com/20-Rare-ORIGINAL-1950s-Movie-Theater-DISPLAY-SIGNS_W0QQitemZ370266141607QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item563594f3a7&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14


  were these printed locally?

  valuable?



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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

[McDaniel Kirby]

But even though he was washing up, he was not all washed up!  I would  
have been, but he wasn't.


LOL, guys, L  0  L !

K.

On Apr 8, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Evan Zweifel wrote:

My understanding is that he was flying home and had a stop over in  
Cleveland.  He stopped off in a restroom and while he was washing  
up, the package mysteriously disappeared...


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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

[Smith, Grey - 1367]

Actually, Franc, it must be very difficult to shill with us, I feel sure, as we 
do not  allow the use of HA Live for the consignor to bid on their lots. It 
will not operate if they try to bid.  A consignor cannot use the website before 
the live auction to place bids on their own lots, as it does not allow them. 
Frankly, they can only bid in two ways, that being the phone or in-person and 
then, if the item sells for what they bid there is an audible ding that means 
the lot has passed. This being said, we have never experienced any such bidding 
in my auctions that I am aware of.  In essence, we are much more stringent on 
consignor bidding on their own lots than almost any other online auction!

On eBay, I feel sure you can imagine how much of that could occur?

But, the Texas code is the legality that makes us take these bids in the manner 
mentioned above. We do not make those rules! I feel sure in saying, Texas is 
not the only state with such rules.
Also, we do not set reserves above the low estimates in the poster auction. 
That would be deceptive and Heritage's policy has always been full transparency.

We have a clause in our agreement which clearly states reserves must be in 
place by at least seven days prior to the live auction but usually if that 
occurs and online bidding has begun, it is to lower reserves not raise them. In 
fact at least 2/3rds of my auctions are unreserved these days. The item will 
start at half of the low estimate and in that manner we save our bidders time 
and makes the auction move much more quickly. That is why usually sell over 90% 
of the auction.



From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Franc
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:17 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

This is eye-opening. I had no idea that Texan law was so absurd. This 
effectively allows the consignor to shill. FRANC
-Original Message-
From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce 
Hershenson
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:03 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item
Thanks for this clarification Grey. I was pretty certain of what I wrote, and I 
am glad to see I have not "lost my mind". I imagine that you likely were not 
even aware of this.

I also fully recognize and appreciate that you do not personally make the rules 
for Heritage, and I think everyone in the poster hobby recognizes that you 
personally are a great guy and a tremendous asset to the hobby.

But still, I think Heritage makes a grave mistake to have that in their rules, 
but of course that is their choice. Was I also correct in thinking that the 
reserve prices can be over the estimated price, and was I correct in thinking 
that reserve prices can be raised after the bidding has begun (I am not asking 
IF this has ever been done, but whether or not either or both is permitted 
under their Terms and Conditions)?

I promise this will be my last question. I just think questions like these 
should be able to be asked and answered (it is what distinguishes our country 
from totalitarian countries!).

Thanks.

Bruce
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Smith, Grey - 1367 
mailto:gre...@ha.com>> wrote:

 Let me clarify concerning the issue of consignors bidding on their own 
material in a Heritage auction.

1)  If a consignor bids under someone else's name, the auctioneer generally 
has no way of knowing that, and simply treats the consignor as two unrelated 
parties, collecting from one, then paying the other (less commissions).

2)  Also, under Texas law (and in many other states, I believe), we are 
required to allow consignors to bid under their own name anytime up until the 
hammer falls, if they pay the full commission (both Buyer's Premium and 
Seller's Commission). In the rare instances when that has occurred (not in 
Movie Posters as best I can recall, but I believe it has happened in some of 
Heritage's other categories), generally an audible ding can be heard in the 
live sessions, and we would not report it as a sale in our Archives or on our 
prices realized lists and would thus go into our Post Auction Buys online.

Here is the operative language in our Terms and Conditions:

 13. Notice of the consignor's liberty to place bids on his lots in the Auction 
is hereby made in

accordance with Article 2 of the Texas Business and Commercial Code. A "Minimum 
Bid" is

an amount below which the lot will not sell. THE CONSIGNOR OF PROPERTY MAY PLACE

WRITTEN "Minimum Bids" ON HIS LOTS IN ADVANCE OF THE AUCTION; ON SUCH

LOTS, IF THE HAMMER PRICE DOES NOT MEET THE "Minimum Bid", THE CONSIGNOR

MAY PAY A REDUCED COMMISSION ON THOSE LOTS. "Minimum Bids" are generally

posted online several days prior to the Auction closing. For any successful bid 
placed by a

consignor on his Property on the Auction floor, or 

Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

[Franc]

This is eye-opening. I had no idea that Texan law was so absurd. This
effectively allows the consignor to shill. FRANC

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From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce
Hershenson
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:03 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item


Thanks for this clarification Grey. I was pretty certain of what I
wrote, and I am glad to see I have not "lost my mind". I imagine that
you likely were not even aware of this.
 
I also fully recognize and appreciate that you do not personally make
the rules for Heritage, and I think everyone in the poster hobby
recognizes that you personally are a great guy and a tremendous asset to
the hobby.
 
But still, I think Heritage makes a grave mistake to have that in their
rules, but of course that is their choice. Was I also correct in
thinking that the reserve prices can be over the estimated price, and
was I correct in thinking that reserve prices can be raised after the
bidding has begun (I am not asking IF this has ever been done, but
whether or not either or both is permitted under their Terms and
Conditions)?
 
I promise this will be my last question. I just think questions like
these should be able to be asked and answered (it is what distinguishes
our country from totalitarian countries!).
 
Thanks.
 
Bruce


On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Smith, Grey - 1367 
wrote:


 Let me clarify concerning the issue of consignors bidding on their own
material in a Heritage auction.

1)  If a consignor bids under someone else's name, the auctioneer
generally has no way of knowing that, and simply treats the consignor as
two unrelated parties, collecting from one, then paying the other (less
commissions). 

2)  Also, under Texas law (and in many other states, I believe), we
are required to allow consignors to bid under their own name anytime up
until the hammer falls, if they pay the full commission (both Buyer's
Premium and Seller's Commission). In the rare instances when that has
occurred (not in Movie Posters as best I can recall, but I believe it
has happened in some of Heritage's other categories), generally an
audible ding can be heard in the live sessions, and we would not report
it as a sale in our Archives or on our prices realized lists and would
thus go into our Post Auction Buys online.

Here is the operative language in our Terms and Conditions:

 13. Notice of the consignor's liberty to place bids on his lots in the
Auction is hereby made in

accordance with Article 2 of the Texas Business and Commercial Code. A
"Minimum Bid" is

an amount below which the lot will not sell. THE CONSIGNOR OF PROPERTY
MAY PLACE

WRITTEN "Minimum Bids" ON HIS LOTS IN ADVANCE OF THE AUCTION; ON SUCH

LOTS, IF THE HAMMER PRICE DOES NOT MEET THE "Minimum Bid", THE CONSIGNOR

MAY PAY A REDUCED COMMISSION ON THOSE LOTS. "Minimum Bids" are generally

posted online several days prior to the Auction closing. For any
successful bid placed by a

consignor on his Property on the Auction floor, or by any means during
the live session, or

after the "Minimum Bid" for an Auction have been posted, we will require
the consignor to

pay full Buyer's Premium and Seller's Commissions on such lot.

 I am a little unsure of all of the implications of the text nor do I
know exactly when it started but it was evidently written by lawyers a
long time ago. I believe it was done in reference to the coin auctions
where reserves can change at the last minute due to the fluctuating
prices of gold. As a matter of policy we do not change reserves in
Poster auctions after seven days before the sale closes, nor is the
reserve allowed to be set higher than the low estimate.

 So, to get to the letter of the law, yes, bidding can be done by a
consignor on their own lots but not without a significant penalty being
paid by that consignor if the lot is won, thus has not been an issue in
our auctions as far as I am aware.

 Finally, this issue must arise infrequently in any venue, online and
otherwise and I suspect there is little one can do to prevent legally or
otherwise if a consignor has the intention of doing so.  

 

 

From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce
Hershenson
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:24 PM 


To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item





 

Maybe he was both the consignor AND the buyer. I have read on forums
that Heritage's terms of sale allows consignors to bid on their own
items, so maybe this is one of those cases.
 
Bruce

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Jeff Potokar 
wrote:

maybe he bought it, as it didnt sell thru the normal auction-- i know
heritage has those post auction buys for items that did not win via the
bidding process.  is that a possibility? 

 

jeff

 

 

 

 

On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:51 AM, Bruce H

Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

[Bruce Hershenson]

Thanks for this clarification Grey. I was pretty certain of what I wrote,
and I am glad to see I have not "lost my mind". I imagine that you likely
were not even aware of this.

I also fully recognize and appreciate that you do not personally make the
rules for Heritage, and I think everyone in the poster hobby recognizes that
you personally are a great guy and a tremendous asset to the hobby.

But still, I think Heritage makes a grave mistake to have that in their
rules, but of course that is their choice. Was I also correct in thinking
that the reserve prices can be over the estimated price, and was I correct
in thinking that reserve prices can be raised after the bidding has begun (I
am not asking IF this has ever been done, but whether or not either or both
is permitted under their Terms and Conditions)?

I promise this will be my last question. I just think questions like these
should be able to be asked and answered (it is what distinguishes our
country from totalitarian countries!).

Thanks.

Bruce

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Smith, Grey - 1367  wrote:

>   Let me clarify concerning the issue of consignors bidding on their own
> material in a Heritage auction.
>
> 1)  If a consignor bids under someone else’s name, the auctioneer
> generally has no way of knowing that, and simply treats the consignor as two
> unrelated parties, collecting from one, then paying the other (less
> commissions).
>
> 2)  Also, under Texas law (and in many other states, I believe), we
> are required to allow consignors to bid under their own name anytime up
> until the hammer falls, if they pay the full commission (both Buyer’s
> Premium and Seller’s Commission). In the rare instances when that has
> occurred (not in Movie Posters as best I can recall, but I believe it has
> happened in some of Heritage’s other categories), generally an audible ding
> can be heard in the live sessions, and we would not report it as a sale in
> our Archives or on our prices realized lists and would thus go into our Post
> Auction Buys online.
>
> Here is the operative language in our Terms and Conditions:
>
>  13. Notice of the consignor’s liberty to place bids on his lots in the
> Auction is hereby made in
>
> accordance with Article 2 of the Texas Business and Commercial Code. A
> “Minimum Bid” is
>
> an amount below which the lot will not sell. THE CONSIGNOR OF PROPERTY MAY
> PLACE
>
> WRITTEN ”Minimum Bids” ON HIS LOTS IN ADVANCE OF THE AUCTION; ON SUCH
>
> LOTS, IF THE HAMMER PRICE DOES NOT MEET THE “Minimum Bid”, THE CONSIGNOR
>
> MAY PAY A REDUCED COMMISSION ON THOSE LOTS. ”Minimum Bids” are generally
>
> posted online several days prior to the Auction closing. For any successful
> bid placed by a
>
> consignor on his Property on the Auction floor, or by any means during the
> live session, or
>
> after the ”Minimum Bid” for an Auction have been posted, we will require
> the consignor to
>
> pay full Buyer’s Premium and Seller’s Commissions on such lot.
>
>  I am a little unsure of all of the implications of the text nor do I know
> exactly when it started but it was evidently written by lawyers a long time
> ago. I believe it was done in reference to the coin auctions where reserves
> can change at the last minute due to the fluctuating prices of gold. As a
> matter of policy we do not change reserves in Poster auctions after seven
> days before the sale closes, nor is the reserve allowed to be set higher
> than the low estimate.
>
>  So, to get to the letter of the law, yes, bidding can be done by a
> consignor on their own lots but not without a significant penalty being paid
> by that consignor if the lot is won, thus has not been an issue in our
> auctions as far as I am aware.
>
>  Finally, this issue must arise infrequently in any venue, online and
> otherwise and I suspect there is little one can do to prevent legally or
> otherwise if a consignor has the intention of doing so.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] *On Behalf Of *Bruce
> Hershenson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:24 PM
> *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item
>
>
>
> Maybe he was both the consignor AND the buyer. I have read on forums that
> Heritage's terms of sale allows consignors to bid on their own items, so
> maybe this is one of those cases.
>
> Bruce
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Jeff Potokar  wrote:
>
> maybe he bought it, as it didnt sell thru the normal auction-- i know
> heritage has those post auction buys for items that did not win via the
> bidding process.  is that a possibility?
>
>
>
> jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:

Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

[Smith, Grey - 1367]

 Let me clarify concerning the issue of consignors bidding on their own 
material in a Heritage auction.

1)  If a consignor bids under someone else's name, the auctioneer generally 
has no way of knowing that, and simply treats the consignor as two unrelated 
parties, collecting from one, then paying the other (less commissions).

2)  Also, under Texas law (and in many other states, I believe), we are 
required to allow consignors to bid under their own name anytime up until the 
hammer falls, if they pay the full commission (both Buyer's Premium and 
Seller's Commission). In the rare instances when that has occurred (not in 
Movie Posters as best I can recall, but I believe it has happened in some of 
Heritage's other categories), generally an audible ding can be heard in the 
live sessions, and we would not report it as a sale in our Archives or on our 
prices realized lists and would thus go into our Post Auction Buys online.
Here is the operative language in our Terms and Conditions:
 13. Notice of the consignor's liberty to place bids on his lots in the Auction 
is hereby made in
accordance with Article 2 of the Texas Business and Commercial Code. A "Minimum 
Bid" is
an amount below which the lot will not sell. THE CONSIGNOR OF PROPERTY MAY PLACE
WRITTEN "Minimum Bids" ON HIS LOTS IN ADVANCE OF THE AUCTION; ON SUCH
LOTS, IF THE HAMMER PRICE DOES NOT MEET THE "Minimum Bid", THE CONSIGNOR
MAY PAY A REDUCED COMMISSION ON THOSE LOTS. "Minimum Bids" are generally
posted online several days prior to the Auction closing. For any successful bid 
placed by a
consignor on his Property on the Auction floor, or by any means during the live 
session, or
after the "Minimum Bid" for an Auction have been posted, we will require the 
consignor to
pay full Buyer's Premium and Seller's Commissions on such lot.
 I am a little unsure of all of the implications of the text nor do I know 
exactly when it started but it was evidently written by lawyers a long time 
ago. I believe it was done in reference to the coin auctions where reserves can 
change at the last minute due to the fluctuating prices of gold. As a matter of 
policy we do not change reserves in Poster auctions after seven days before the 
sale closes, nor is the reserve allowed to be set higher than the low estimate.
 So, to get to the letter of the law, yes, bidding can be done by a consignor 
on their own lots but not without a significant penalty being paid by that 
consignor if the lot is won, thus has not been an issue in our auctions as far 
as I am aware.
 Finally, this issue must arise infrequently in any venue, online and otherwise 
and I suspect there is little one can do to prevent legally or otherwise if a 
consignor has the intention of doing so.


From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce 
Hershenson
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:24 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

Maybe he was both the consignor AND the buyer. I have read on forums that 
Heritage's terms of sale allows consignors to bid on their own items, so maybe 
this is one of those cases.

Bruce
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Jeff Potokar 
mailto:jpotok...@ca.rr.com>> wrote:
maybe he bought it, as it didnt sell thru the normal auction-- i know heritage 
has those post auction buys for items that did not win via the bidding process. 
 is that a possibility?

jeff




On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:51 AM, Bruce Hershenson wrote:


I am confused! The auction says the item was PURCHASED from Heritage.

Hmmm...

Bruce
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Diana and/or Morris Everett Jr 
mailto:dianademail-las...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
Subject: Frankenstein ORIGINAL 1931 Title Card - eBay (item 280329291451 end 
time Apr-11-09 08:30:05 PDT)

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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

[Evan Zweifel]

My understanding is that he was flying home and had a stop over in Cleveland.  
He stopped off in a restroom and while he was washing up, the package 
mysteriously disappeared...

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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

[Bruce Hershenson]

I will research on this. I am pretty certain there is at least one auction
that allowed this, but I don't know if they are respectable.

I am also pretty certain there are currently auction houses that allow
reserves to be changed after the bidding has begun and allows the reserves
to be raised to above the estimates, which has the effect of allowing the
consignor to "bid" (since they are the ones raising the reserves).

I will do further research.

Bruce

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Franc  wrote:

>  I'd be amazed if any respectable auction house would allow that. Such a
> thing would provide a license to the consignor to shill during an auction.
> FRANC
>
>  -Original Message-
> *From:* MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] *On Behalf Of *Bruce
> Hershenson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:54 PM
> *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item
>
> I very much apologize for my error. Are you saying that Heritage has NEVER
> in its past had terms that allowed consignors to bid on their own items? I
> read it on a forum, but it you say it was never true, then I am certain the
> person who posted was confusing Heritage with some other auction.
>
> The eBay auction in question does clearly say it was "purchased". Why do
> you suppose he wrote that, if in fact it was not purchased? I suppose you
> can't do anything about it,either way.
>
> Bruce
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Smith, Grey - 1367  wrote:
>
>>  Bruce,
>>
>>
>>
>> Your information is entirely wrong and your basis for this information is
>> completely beyond me! WHERE in the world would you get this foolish
>> information? I think you know better, my friend.
>>
>> No consignor has EVER knowingly been allowed to bid on their own material.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Rich is exactly right here. The item was originally purchased by the
>> consignor from us and he reconsigned the poster after about a year. It did
>> not sell and was returned.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] *On Behalf Of 
>> *Richard
>> Halegua Comic Art
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:35 PM
>> *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
>> *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item
>>
>>
>>
>> I think it was unsold & returned to consigner Bruce
>>
>> but I could be wrong..
>>
>>
>> At 01:24 PM 4/8/2009, Bruce Hershenson wrote:
>>
>>   Maybe he was both the consignor AND the buyer. I have read on forums
>> that Heritage's terms of sale allows consignors to bid on their own items,
>> so maybe this is one of those cases.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Jeff Potokar 
>> wrote:
>>
>> maybe he bought it, as it didnt sell thru the normal auction-- i know
>> heritage has those post auction buys for items that did not win via the
>> bidding process.  is that a possibility?
>>
>> jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:51 AM, Bruce Hershenson wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am confused! The auction says the item was PURCHASED from Heritage.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hmmm...
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Diana and/or Morris Everett Jr 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Frankenstein ORIGINAL 1931 Title Card - eBay (item 280329291451
>> end time Apr-11-09 08:30:05 PDT)
>>
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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

[Franc]

I'd be amazed if any respectable auction house would allow that. Such a
thing would provide a license to the consignor to shill during an
auction. FRANC

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Hershenson
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I very much apologize for my error. Are you saying that Heritage has
NEVER in its past had terms that allowed consignors to bid on their own
items? I read it on a forum, but it you say it was never true, then I am
certain the person who posted was confusing Heritage with some other
auction.
 
The eBay auction in question does clearly say it was "purchased". Why do
you suppose he wrote that, if in fact it was not purchased? I suppose
you can't do anything about it,either way.
 
Bruce


On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Smith, Grey - 1367 
wrote:


Bruce,

 

Your information is entirely wrong and your basis for this information
is completely beyond me! WHERE in the world would you get this foolish
information? I think you know better, my friend.

No consignor has EVER knowingly been allowed to bid on their own
material. 

 

Rich is exactly right here. The item was originally purchased by the
consignor from us and he reconsigned the poster after about a year. It
did not sell and was returned.

 

 

 

 

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Richard Halegua Comic Art
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:35 PM 


To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU

Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item





 

I think it was unsold & returned to consigner Bruce 


but I could be wrong..


At 01:24 PM 4/8/2009, Bruce Hershenson wrote:





Maybe he was both the consignor AND the buyer. I have read on forums
that Heritage's terms of sale allows consignors to bid on their own
items, so maybe this is one of those cases.
 
Bruce

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Jeff Potokar 
wrote:

maybe he bought it, as it didnt sell thru the normal auction-- i know
heritage has those post auction buys for items that did not win via the
bidding process.  is that a possibility? 

jeff





On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:51 AM, Bruce Hershenson wrote:




I am confused! The auction says the item was PURCHASED from Heritage.

 

Hmmm...

 

Bruce

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dianademail-las...@yahoo.com <mailto:dianademail-las...@yahoo.com> >
wrote:

Subject: Frankenstein ORIGINAL 1931 Title Card - eBay (item 280329291451
end time Apr-11-09 08:30:05 PDT)

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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

[Smith, Grey - 1367]

Bruce,
Never have our terms stated that a consignor can bid on his or her own items! 
NEVER!

The person that stated it was purchased from us did indeed buy the item from 
our auction as can be seen on our website at http://movieposters.ha.com.
Our auction archives are the most complete in existence and most collectors 
find it to be a very helpful tool for their collecting interests. They can see 
ever item we have ever sold and those that did not sell on this archive we are 
so proud of.

As mentioned previously, he reconsigned the item but it did not make the 
reserve amount and went unsold. End of story!



From: Bruce Hershenson [mailto:brucehershen...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:54 PM
To: Smith, Grey - 1367
Cc: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

I very much apologize for my error. Are you saying that Heritage has NEVER in 
its past had terms that allowed consignors to bid on their own items? I read it 
on a forum, but it you say it was never true, then I am certain the person who 
posted was confusing Heritage with some other auction.

The eBay auction in question does clearly say it was "purchased". Why do you 
suppose he wrote that, if in fact it was not purchased? I suppose you can't do 
anything about it,either way.

Bruce
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Smith, Grey - 1367 
mailto:gre...@ha.com>> wrote:

Bruce,



Your information is entirely wrong and your basis for this information is 
completely beyond me! WHERE in the world would you get this foolish 
information? I think you know better, my friend.

No consignor has EVER knowingly been allowed to bid on their own material.



Rich is exactly right here. The item was originally purchased by the consignor 
from us and he reconsigned the poster after about a year. It did not sell and 
was returned.









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To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU<mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item



I think it was unsold & returned to consigner Bruce

but I could be wrong..


At 01:24 PM 4/8/2009, Bruce Hershenson wrote:

Maybe he was both the consignor AND the buyer. I have read on forums that 
Heritage's terms of sale allows consignors to bid on their own items, so maybe 
this is one of those cases.

Bruce

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Jeff Potokar 
mailto:jpotok...@ca.rr.com>> wrote:

maybe he bought it, as it didnt sell thru the normal auction-- i know heritage 
has those post auction buys for items that did not win via the bidding process. 
 is that a possibility?

jeff



On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:51 AM, Bruce Hershenson wrote:


I am confused! The auction says the item was PURCHASED from Heritage.



Hmmm...



Bruce

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Subject: Frankenstein ORIGINAL 1931 Title Card - eBay (item 280329291451 end 
time Apr-11-09 08:30:05 PDT)

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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

[Bruce Hershenson]

I very much apologize for my error. Are you saying that Heritage has NEVER
in its past had terms that allowed consignors to bid on their own items? I
read it on a forum, but it you say it was never true, then I am certain the
person who posted was confusing Heritage with some other auction.

The eBay auction in question does clearly say it was "purchased". Why do you
suppose he wrote that, if in fact it was not purchased? I suppose you can't
do anything about it,either way.

Bruce

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Smith, Grey - 1367  wrote:

>  Bruce,
>
>
>
> Your information is entirely wrong and your basis for this information is
> completely beyond me! WHERE in the world would you get this foolish
> information? I think you know better, my friend.
>
> No consignor has EVER knowingly been allowed to bid on their own material.
>
>
>
> Rich is exactly right here. The item was originally purchased by the
> consignor from us and he reconsigned the poster after about a year. It did
> not sell and was returned.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] *On Behalf Of *Richard
> Halegua Comic Art
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:35 PM
> *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item
>
>
>
> I think it was unsold & returned to consigner Bruce
>
> but I could be wrong..
>
>
> At 01:24 PM 4/8/2009, Bruce Hershenson wrote:
>
>   Maybe he was both the consignor AND the buyer. I have read on forums
> that Heritage's terms of sale allows consignors to bid on their own items,
> so maybe this is one of those cases.
>
> Bruce
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Jeff Potokar  wrote:
>
> maybe he bought it, as it didnt sell thru the normal auction-- i know
> heritage has those post auction buys for items that did not win via the
> bidding process.  is that a possibility?
>
> jeff
>
>
>
> On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:51 AM, Bruce Hershenson wrote:
>
>
> I am confused! The auction says the item was PURCHASED from Heritage.
>
>
>
> Hmmm...
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Diana and/or Morris Everett Jr 
> 
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Frankenstein ORIGINAL 1931 Title Card - eBay (item 280329291451
> end time Apr-11-09 08:30:05 PDT)
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280329291451&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1123
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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

[Smith, Grey - 1367]

Bruce,

Your information is entirely wrong and your basis for this information is 
completely beyond me! WHERE in the world would you get this foolish 
information? I think you know better, my friend.
No consignor has EVER knowingly been allowed to bid on their own material.

Rich is exactly right here. The item was originally purchased by the consignor 
from us and he reconsigned the poster after about a year. It did not sell and 
was returned.




From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Richard 
Halegua Comic Art
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:35 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

I think it was unsold & returned to consigner Bruce
but I could be wrong..


At 01:24 PM 4/8/2009, Bruce Hershenson wrote:

Maybe he was both the consignor AND the buyer. I have read on forums that 
Heritage's terms of sale allows consignors to bid on their own items, so maybe 
this is one of those cases.

Bruce

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Jeff Potokar 
mailto:jpotok...@ca.rr.com>> wrote:
maybe he bought it, as it didnt sell thru the normal auction-- i know heritage 
has those post auction buys for items that did not win via the bidding process. 
 is that a possibility?
jeff



On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:51 AM, Bruce Hershenson wrote:


I am confused! The auction says the item was PURCHASED from Heritage.

Hmmm...

Bruce
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dianademail-las...@yahoo.com<mailto:dianademail-las...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
Subject: Frankenstein ORIGINAL 1931 Title Card - eBay (item 280329291451 end 
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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

[Toochis Morin]

It's the selling of the rights, ownership and title that has me confused.  
Universal is the only owner of the rights, ownership and title.  

Toochis





From: Bruce Hershenson 
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Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 1:24:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

Maybe he was both the consignor AND the buyer. I have read on forums that 
Heritage's terms of sale allows consignors to bid on their own items, so maybe 
this is one of those cases.
 
Bruce


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maybe he bought it, as it didnt sell thru the normal auction-- i know heritage 
has those post auction buys for items that did not win via the bidding process. 
 is that a possibility? 
jeff 






On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:51 AM, Bruce Hershenson wrote:

I am confused! The auction says the item was PURCHASED from Heritage.
 
Hmmm...
 
Bruce


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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

[Bruce Hershenson]

That could be. I was just going by the auction itself, which clearly says it
was "purchased". Maybe he "mis-spoke" on the "auction".

Bruce

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art <
sa...@comic-art.com> wrote:

> I think it was unsold & returned to consigner Bruce
> but I could be wrong..
>
>
>
> At 01:24 PM 4/8/2009, Bruce Hershenson wrote:
>
> Maybe he was both the consignor AND the buyer. I have read on forums that
> Heritage's terms of sale allows consignors to bid on their own items, so
> maybe this is one of those cases.
>
> Bruce
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Jeff Potokar  wrote:
>  maybe he bought it, as it didnt sell thru the normal auction-- i know
> heritage has those post auction buys for items that did not win via the
> bidding process.  is that a possibility?
>
> jeff
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:51 AM, Bruce Hershenson wrote:
>
>  I am confused! The auction says the item was PURCHASED from Heritage.
>
> Hmmm...
>
> Bruce
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Diana and/or Morris Everett Jr 
> 
> wrote:
>  Subject: Frankenstein ORIGINAL 1931 Title Card - eBay (item 280329291451
> end time Apr-11-09 08:30:05 PDT)
>
>
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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

I think it was unsold & returned to consigner Bruce
but I could be wrong..


At 01:24 PM 4/8/2009, Bruce Hershenson wrote:
Maybe he was both the consignor AND the buyer. I have read on forums 
that Heritage's terms of sale allows consignors to bid on their own 
items, so maybe this is one of those cases.


Bruce

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Jeff Potokar 
<jpotok...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
maybe he bought it, as it didnt sell thru the normal auction-- i 
know heritage has those post auction buys for items that did not win 
via the bidding process.  is that a possibility?


jeff




On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:51 AM, Bruce Hershenson wrote:


I am confused! The auction says the item was PURCHASED from Heritage.

Hmmm...

Bruce

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Subject: Frankenstein ORIGINAL 1931 Title Card - eBay (item 
280329291451 end time Apr-11-09 08:30:05 PDT)


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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

[Bruce Hershenson]

Maybe he was both the consignor AND the buyer. I have read on forums that
Heritage's terms of sale allows consignors to bid on their own items, so
maybe this is one of those cases.

Bruce

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Jeff Potokar  wrote:

> maybe he bought it, as it didnt sell thru the normal auction-- i know
> heritage has those post auction buys for items that did not win via the
> bidding process.  is that a possibility?
> jeff
>
>
>
>
>  On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:51 AM, Bruce Hershenson wrote:
>
>  I am confused! The auction says the item was *PURCHASED* from Heritage.
>
> Hmmm...
>
> Bruce
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Diana and/or Morris Everett Jr <
> dianademail-las...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>  *Subject:* Frankenstein ORIGINAL 1931 Title Card - eBay (item
>> 280329291451 end time Apr-11-09 08:30:05 PDT)
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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

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maybe he bought it, as it didnt sell thru the normal auction-- i know  
heritage has those post auction buys for items that did not win via  
the bidding process.  is that a possibility?


jeff




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I am confused! The auction says the item was PURCHASED from Heritage.

Hmmm...

Bruce

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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

[Bruce Hershenson]

I am confused! The auction says the item was *PURCHASED* from Heritage.

Hmmm...

Bruce

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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

[Diana and/or Morris Everett Jr]

No, just saw it for the first time. 





From: Jeff Potokar 
To: Diana and/or Morris Everett Jr 
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 9:49:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item

hi,

just curious.. this was posted to mopo and discussed over a week ago. is there 
another reason you are posting it again? 


did something change?

best.

jeff






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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item (FRANKENSTEIN TITLE CARD)

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Grey, I've never heard of Heritage losing anything, either in house or in 
transit, so thats very reassuring.

 

But it would be interesting to know, the circumstances on how something like 
this got stolen in the first place.  

 


 
> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 21:29:17 -0500
> From: gre...@ha.com
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item (FRANKENSTEIN TITLE CARD)
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> 
> No, Todd, the card was returned to the consignor upon his request and got 
> back to him in good order.
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 7, 2009, at 9:06 PM, "Todd Feiertag" 
> mailto:toddfeier...@msn.com>> wrote:
> 
> I believe this same exact FRANKENSTEIN Title Card was in a very recent 
> Heritage auction and failed to sell.
> 
> If that's the case, it would be interesting to know if it was missing from 
> Heritage or if it was lost in transit. Maybe Grey could chime in.
> I'm sure this was listed on Ebay in this manner for the consigner of the 
> piece to make this public for insurance purposes, which is a smart move.
> 
> 
> Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:21:50 -0700
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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item (FRANKENSTEIN TITLE CARD)

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No, Todd, the card was returned to the consignor upon his request and got back 
to him in good order.



On Apr 7, 2009, at 9:06 PM, "Todd Feiertag" 
mailto:toddfeier...@msn.com>> wrote:

I believe this same exact FRANKENSTEIN Title Card was in a very recent Heritage 
auction and failed to sell.

If that's the case, it would be interesting to know if it was missing from 
Heritage or if it was lost in transit.  Maybe Grey could chime in.
I'm sure this was listed on Ebay in this manner for the consigner of the piece 
to make this public for insurance purposes, which is a smart move.


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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Item (FRANKENSTEIN TITLE CARD)

[Todd Feiertag]

I believe this same exact FRANKENSTEIN Title Card was in a very recent Heritage 
auction and failed to sell.  

 

If that's the case, it would be interesting to know if it was missing from 
Heritage or if it was lost in transit.  Maybe Grey could chime in.  

I'm sure this was listed on Ebay in this manner for the consigner of the piece 
to make this public for insurance purposes, which is a smart move.
 


Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:21:50 -0700
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Re: [MOPO] Interesting to see a minty white and a known original side by side! Redux

[jbirddouglass]

By all means, let's talk about it. I figured it was just a matter of 
time before something like this happened, with the volatile combination 
of high-tech reproduction techniques and ever-present human greed. The 
vintage guitar market is flooded with "faux-vintage" instruments, 
"distressed" by experts at the factory; why not posters?

Details, Phil?
Greg Douglass
Phil Edwards wrote:
Oh, and I'll just add, having any idea of a minty white from a real 
one via a tiny website pic is a problem unless it's one of the odd 
ones that have some small art crop differential... and you are aware 
of it.
 
So novice collectors, know your dealers and if you don't make sure you 
get a right of return to cover your minty behinds.
 
Now shall we talk about serious fraud - like distressing a repro 
vintage 22x28 and trying to pass it off as an original for several 
thousand dollars?

Phil

- Original Message -
*From:* Bruce Hershenson <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
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*Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:26 PM
*Subject:* [MOPO] Interesting to see a minty white and a known
original side by side!

I am currently auctioning inserts, and when I gathered up all the
hundreds of inserts that I have been consigned, I discovered I had
been sent FIVE different "Scarface" ones (the Pacino version).
Close examination of them determined that four of them are "minty
whites", the fake inserts that have polluted our hobby (see past
MoPo e-mails or my E-Mail Club Archive or the LAMP site for more
on these fakes).I will be returning those fake inserts to their
owners, with the plea that they don't consign them to another
auction (or put them on eBay).
 
But this was a great chance to look at the fakes very closely! Of

course, they can be distinguished from the known original from
their trademark "whiter than white" paper, and their glossier back
side. But what is interesting to me is that when they are laid
side by side, the lousy printing of the minty white becomes
painfully obvious. They were clearly NOT printed from the original
plates (as has sometime been speculated) but instead were made by
photographing a known original, because the fine shadings in some
areas are blurry or "filled in", as would be expected when you
reproduce an original.
 
Unfortunately, this would not jump out at most people when they

solely look at the minty white fake. But when you look at *BOTH*
the minty white fake and the proven original, those printing
differences would be obvious to anyone (except maybe Professor
Powers).
 
Have the minty white fakes killed the value of the proven

originals? The Scarface insert I am auctioning is currently at
$246. so that is clearly not the case!
 
Bruce

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Re: [MOPO] Interesting to see a minty white and a known original side by side!

[Freedom Lover]

Great idea!

On Oct 9, 2008, at 9:22 AM, Sean Linkenback wrote:

Since you have these in hand now, why don't you do everyone a great  
service by photo-documenting the original side by side with one of  
the minty whites (hopefully with some close-ups), and post it up on  
your site or give it to Ed and Sue to document on LAMP.



-- Original message from Bruce Hershenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>: --


I am currently auctioning inserts, and when I gathered up all the  
hundreds of inserts that I have been consigned, I discovered I had  
been sent FIVE different "Scarface" ones (the Pacino version). Close  
examination of them determined that four of them are "minty whites",  
the fake inserts that have polluted our hobby (see past MoPo e-mails  
or my E-Mail Club Archive or the LAMP site for more on these  
fakes).I will be returning those fake inserts to their owners, with  
the plea that they don't consign them to another auction (or put  
them on eBay).


But this was a great chance to look at the fakes very closely! Of  
course, they can be distinguished from the known original from their  
trademark "whiter than white" paper, and their glossier back side.  
But what is interesting to me is that when they are laid side by  
side, the lousy printing of the minty white becomes painfully  
obvious. They were clearly NOT printed from the original plates (as  
has sometime been speculated) but instead were made by photographing  
a known original, because the fine shadings in some areas are blurry  
or "filled in", as would be expected when you reproduce an original.


Unfortunately, this would not jump out at most people when they  
solely look at the minty white fake. But when you look at BOTH the  
minty white fake and the proven original, those printing differences  
would be obvious to anyone (except maybe Professor Powers).


Have the minty white fakes killed the value of the proven originals?  
The Scarface insert I am auctioning is currently at $246. so that is  
clearly not the case!


Bruce
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Re: [MOPO] Interesting to see a minty white and a known original side by side!

[Sean Linkenback]

 
Since you have these in hand now, why don't you do everyone a great service by photo-documenting the original side by side with one of the minty whites (hopefully with some close-ups), and post it up on your site or give it to Ed and Sue to document on LAMP.
 

 -- Original message from Bruce Hershenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: --


I am currently auctioning inserts, and when I gathered up all the hundreds of inserts that I have been consigned, I discovered I had been sent FIVE different "Scarface" ones (the Pacino version). Close examination of them determined that four of them are "minty whites", the fake inserts that have polluted our hobby (see past MoPo e-mails or my E-Mail Club Archive or the LAMP site for more on these fakes).I will be returning those fake inserts to their owners, with the plea that they don't consign them to another auction (or put them on eBay). 
 
But this was a great chance to look at the fakes very closely! Of course, they can be distinguished from the known original from their trademark "whiter than white" paper, and their glossier back side. But what is interesting to me is that when they are laid side by side, the lousy printing of the minty white becomes painfully obvious. They were clearly NOT printed from the original plates (as has sometime been speculated) but instead were made by photographing a known original, because the fine shadings in some areas are blurry or "filled in", as would be expected when you reproduce an original.

 
Unfortunately, this would not jump out at most people when they solely look at the minty white fake. But when you look at BOTH the minty white fake and the proven original, those printing differences would be obvious to anyone (except maybe Professor Powers).

 
Have the minty white fakes killed the value of the proven originals? The Scarface insert I am auctioning is currently at $246. so that is clearly not the case!
 
Bruce
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Re: [MOPO] Interesting to see a minty white and a known original side by side! Redux

[Phil Edwards]

Oh, and I'll just add, having any idea of a minty white from a real one via a 
tiny website pic is a problem unless it's one of the odd ones that have some 
small art crop differential... and you are aware of it.

So novice collectors, know your dealers and if you don't make sure you get a 
right of return to cover your minty behinds.

Now shall we talk about serious fraud - like distressing a repro vintage 22x28 
and trying to pass it off as an original for several thousand dollars?
Phil
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bruce Hershenson 
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:26 PM
  Subject: [MOPO] Interesting to see a minty white and a known original side by 
side!


  I am currently auctioning inserts, and when I gathered up all the hundreds of 
inserts that I have been consigned, I discovered I had been sent FIVE different 
"Scarface" ones (the Pacino version). Close examination of them determined that 
four of them are "minty whites", the fake inserts that have polluted our hobby 
(see past MoPo e-mails or my E-Mail Club Archive or the LAMP site for more on 
these fakes).I will be returning those fake inserts to their owners, with the 
plea that they don't consign them to another auction (or put them on eBay). 

  But this was a great chance to look at the fakes very closely! Of course, 
they can be distinguished from the known original from their trademark "whiter 
than white" paper, and their glossier back side. But what is interesting to me 
is that when they are laid side by side, the lousy printing of the minty white 
becomes painfully obvious. They were clearly NOT printed from the original 
plates (as has sometime been speculated) but instead were made by photographing 
a known original, because the fine shadings in some areas are blurry or "filled 
in", as would be expected when you reproduce an original.

  Unfortunately, this would not jump out at most people when they solely look 
at the minty white fake. But when you look at BOTH the minty white fake and the 
proven original, those printing differences would be obvious to anyone (except 
maybe Professor Powers).

  Have the minty white fakes killed the value of the proven originals? The 
Scarface insert I am auctioning is currently at $246. so that is clearly not 
the case!

  Bruce
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Re: [MOPO] Interesting to see a minty white and a known original side by side!

[Phil Edwards]

This is the biggest problem with fake posters such as the minty whites, fake 
one sheets, or indeed older repro posters that were done full size. 

The 30x40 British quad repro of REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE from the early 1970s is 
perhaps the best known of these, with literally thousands having been sold 
throughout the 1970s and 1980s out of London - both as a "mint original" or 
folded up and "distressed" as vintage. The repro was even reproed, albeit at a 
slightly smaller size... a bit of a help on that, but not the 30x40 version.

Once that stuff has been out there in the collecting food chain for a while, 
perhaps even passing from collector to collector before ending up being offered 
for public sale somewhere - such as with a consignment as Bruce describes - it 
gets tougher and tougher for each new generation of collector to remain 
informed.

All we can keep doing is run up a flag whenever something like this surfaces 
and hope that someone, somewhere retains the knowledge to pass along to the 
next generation of colectors.

Phil
  - Original Message - 
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  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:26 PM
  Subject: [MOPO] Interesting to see a minty white and a known original side by 
side!


  I am currently auctioning inserts, and when I gathered up all the hundreds of 
inserts that I have been consigned, I discovered I had been sent FIVE different 
"Scarface" ones (the Pacino version). Close examination of them determined that 
four of them are "minty whites", the fake inserts that have polluted our hobby 
(see past MoPo e-mails or my E-Mail Club Archive or the LAMP site for more on 
these fakes).I will be returning those fake inserts to their owners, with the 
plea that they don't consign them to another auction (or put them on eBay). 

  But this was a great chance to look at the fakes very closely! Of course, 
they can be distinguished from the known original from their trademark "whiter 
than white" paper, and their glossier back side. But what is interesting to me 
is that when they are laid side by side, the lousy printing of the minty white 
becomes painfully obvious. They were clearly NOT printed from the original 
plates (as has sometime been speculated) but instead were made by photographing 
a known original, because the fine shadings in some areas are blurry or "filled 
in", as would be expected when you reproduce an original.

  Unfortunately, this would not jump out at most people when they solely look 
at the minty white fake. But when you look at BOTH the minty white fake and the 
proven original, those printing differences would be obvious to anyone (except 
maybe Professor Powers).

  Have the minty white fakes killed the value of the proven originals? The 
Scarface insert I am auctioning is currently at $246. so that is clearly not 
the case!

  Bruce
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Re: [MOPO] Interesting to see a minty white and a known original side by side!

[MotionPictureArt.com]

Hi Bruce and all others,
This also applies to the minty white lobby card sets.
However, on most of the minty white lobby cards the fine print is also less 
sharp. Is this also the case with these inserts?
If indeed this is true then there is a way of spotting the fakes when you are 
buying stuff in person at shops or trade shows without the originals to compare 
them to.

Ron 

MotionPictureArt.com
Movie Posters, Lobby Cards and more...
http://www.MotionPictureArt.com
  - Original Message - 
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  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:26 PM
  Subject: [MOPO] Interesting to see a minty white and a known original side by 
side!


  I am currently auctioning inserts, and when I gathered up all the hundreds of 
inserts that I have been consigned, I discovered I had been sent FIVE different 
"Scarface" ones (the Pacino version). Close examination of them determined that 
four of them are "minty whites", the fake inserts that have polluted our hobby 
(see past MoPo e-mails or my E-Mail Club Archive or the LAMP site for more on 
these fakes).I will be returning those fake inserts to their owners, with the 
plea that they don't consign them to another auction (or put them on eBay). 

  But this was a great chance to look at the fakes very closely! Of course, 
they can be distinguished from the known original from their trademark "whiter 
than white" paper, and their glossier back side. But what is interesting to me 
is that when they are laid side by side, the lousy printing of the minty white 
becomes painfully obvious. They were clearly NOT printed from the original 
plates (as has sometime been speculated) but instead were made by photographing 
a known original, because the fine shadings in some areas are blurry or "filled 
in", as would be expected when you reproduce an original.

  Unfortunately, this would not jump out at most people when they solely look 
at the minty white fake. But when you look at BOTH the minty white fake and the 
proven original, those printing differences would be obvious to anyone (except 
maybe Professor Powers).

  Have the minty white fakes killed the value of the proven originals? The 
Scarface insert I am auctioning is currently at $246. so that is clearly not 
the case!

  Bruce
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[MOPO] Interesting to see a minty white and a known original side by side!

[Bruce Hershenson]

I am currently auctioning inserts, and when I gathered up all the hundreds
of inserts that I have been consigned, I discovered I had been sent FIVE
different "Scarface" ones (the Pacino version). Close examination of them
determined that four of them are "minty whites", the fake inserts that have
polluted our hobby (see past MoPo e-mails or my E-Mail Club Archive or the
LAMP site for more on these fakes).I will be returning those fake inserts to
their owners, with the plea that they don't consign them to another auction
(or put them on eBay).
But this was a great chance to look at the fakes very closely! Of course,
they can be distinguished from the known original from their trademark
"whiter than white" paper, and their glossier back side. But what is
interesting to me is that when they are laid side by side, the lousy
printing of the minty white becomes painfully obvious. They were clearly NOT
printed from the original plates (as has sometime been speculated) but
instead were made by photographing a known original, because the fine
shadings in some areas are blurry or "filled in", as would be expected when
you reproduce an original.

Unfortunately, this would not jump out at most people when they solely look
at the minty white fake. But when you look at *BOTH* the minty white fake
and the proven original, those printing differences would be obvious to
anyone (except maybe Professor Powers).

Have the minty white fakes killed the value of the proven originals? The
Scarface insert I am auctioning is currently at $246. so that is clearly not
the case!

Bruce

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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Article on EBAY and Small Sellers from San Francisco Chronicle of 6/20/2008

[Movielegends]

Interesting article - I also read elsewhere about the eBay padded listings, 
this is one of them, not sure how many names eBay is using to pad it's listings 
but just this one alone has 463526 listings:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZbuyQQfrppZ50QQfsopZ32QQfsooZ2QQrdZ0



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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Article on EBAY and Small Sellers from San Francisco Chronicle of 6/20/2008

[Movielegends]

Interesting article - I also read elsewhere about the eBay padded listings, 
this is one of them, not sure how many names eBay is using to pad it's listings 
but just this one alone has 463526 listings:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZbuyQQfrppZ50QQfsopZ32QQfsooZ2QQrdZ0



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[MOPO] Interesting Article on EBAY and Small Sellers from San Francisco Chronicle of 6/20/2008

[channinglylethomson]

Some of you might find this article of interest with regard to large  
sellers/small sellers/powersellers, etc:


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/20/BU9K11C0KS.DTL

Be sure to checkout the comments at the end of the article by clicking  
on the VIEW COMMENTS button.

Many of these are quite insightful.

Thanks, Channing Thomson

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[MOPO] interesting info. about SPIDERMAN 3 LENTICULAR

[David Lieberman]

 
 
not sure if this info. has been brought to light.at least I  hadn't heard 
this until yesterday.

I was on the phone with a client  who works for Sony.

remember how all those super rare only 500  printed spiderman 3 lenticulars 
kept appearing on ebay months before the  film came out?

well, it turns out 500 were printed for the U.S.,  and 500 were printed for 
overseas international use. The 500 meant for  international use never made it 
to the international distributor. They  disappeared soon after they were 
shipped.
 

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Re: [MOPO] Interesting San Francisco Chronicle Article on EBAY's Suspension of Sellers, etc.

[Dave Rosen]

Actually, I don't have any problem with eBay going after shill bidders,
either, even small ones. Go get 'em. But the treatment should be
even-handed.

What's most striking about the article is that eBay Powersellers have banded
together in a lobby group (something I was unaware of) and are lobbying for,
and apparently will get, special treatment. Just mirrors what goes on in the
rest of society, I suppose...

Dave
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Subject: [MOPO] Interesting San Francisco Chronicle Article on EBAY's
Suspension of Sellers, etc.


> Ebay is getting more draconian -- take a look at this article:
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/07/31/
> BUGRBK7RSC1.DTL
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> Channing Thomson in San Francisco
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Re: [MOPO] Interesting San Francisco Chronicle Article on EBAY's Suspension o...

[Claude Litton]

In a message dated 7/31/2006 1:13:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/07/31/ 
  BUGRBK7RSC1.DTL

Personally, I think it makes a lot of sense and that ebay is on the 
correct track.  I also believe the person's excuse may have been 
fabricated.
 
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[MOPO] Interesting San Francisco Chronicle Article on EBAY's Suspension of Sellers, etc.

[channinglylethomson]

Ebay is getting more draconian -- take a look at this article:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/07/31/ 
BUGRBK7RSC1.DTL


Channing Thomson in San Francisco

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[MOPO] Interesting Article In NY TIMES About Ebay

[Flixspix]

  





How eBay Makes Regulations Disappear 



By KATIE HAFNER
Published: June 4, 2006

IN quick succession one morning last month, Louisiana state legislators 
plowed through a long list of bills, including one to relocate the motor vehicle 
commission, another to regulate potentially abusive lending practices, and yet 
another that was the handiwork of eBay, the digital shopping mall that bills itself as 
"the world's online marketplace."



Cheryl Brown, who is authorized to sell other people's items 
on eBay, said she was "blown away" when Louisiana forced her to get a license. 


 
Sherrie Wilks and Jim Steele of the Louisiana Auctioneer 
Licensing Board felt the backlash from their license enforcement efforts. 

EBay had worked overtime to ensure the passage of Senate Bill 642, which 
sought to exempt some Internet transactions — like those that occur on its Web 
site — from Louisiana licensing requirements for businesses conducting auctions. 
As the State Senate's Commerce Committee convened to consider the bill, Duane 
Cowart, an eBay lobbyist, testified that forcing eBay "trading assistants" to 
fork over $300 for a license was unduly burdensome.
"What they do on the Internet is not an auction, and they are not 
auctioneers," Mr. Cowart told the committee. Trading assistants take items on 
consignment from other owners and put them up for bid on eBay, but Mr. Cowart 
said their activities were more akin to placing classified ads. Louisiana's 
senators seemed to agree with him wholeheartedly. "I think eBay is great," said 
one, while another regaled the room about his adventures shopping for a Plymouth 
Prowler on eBay. State Senator Noble E. Ellington, a Democrat who sponsored the 
bill at Mr. Cowart's behest, beamed as his colleagues gave the legislation their 
unanimous support.
EBay's lobbying activities are not confined to Louisiana. As the company has 
spread its innovative and influential wings across the Internet, it has also 
woven together a muscular and wily lobbying apparatus that spans 25 states. "It 
is a fast-moving train, and if you get in front of it you'll get flattened," 
said Sherrie Wilks, an official with Louisiana's licensing agency, who is 
concerned that eBay flouts regulatory oversight by persuading state legislators 
to take the company's side.
Regulators in other states also say that when they try to erect guidelines 
around eBay's activities, they quickly encounter the realities of the company's 
political power, raising anew the perennial questions about the proper balance 
among public policy, consumer protection and business interests. EBay's lobbying 
tactics, meanwhile, illustrate the spoils to be won when a savvy, resourceful 
company combines local political persuasion and grass-roots rallying to get 
lucrative regulatory exemptions that allow it to safeguard its profits. 
EBay's efforts have been remarkably successful, and the company, which has 
worked tirelessly to cultivate its image as a friendly neighborhood bazaar even 
as it engages in hard-nosed lobbying, is not shy about boasting of its 
victories. Last year, Ohio passed a law that would have regulated eBay sellers, 
but the company moved quickly — with the help of seasoned lobbyists — to have a 
pre-emptive and more favorable bill passed.
"We realized what was there, and we worked with local lobbyists and were able 
to get the law reversed," said Tod Cohen, eBay's vice president for government 
relations. He oversees the company's efforts to convince state lawmakers of a 
core eBay belief: that state regulation can impede the flow of e-commerce. 
The Federal Trade Commission, which has loosened regulations across a broad 
range of industries, appears to agree. Late last week, responding to a request 
from Mr. Ellington for an analysis of the Louisiana bill, the agency advised 
that the bill promoted competition and increased consumer choice. 
Unlike many other Internet companies, eBay has to be especially fleet-footed 
when it comes to stopping what it perceives as hostile regulation, whether it 
involves the growing number of eBay drop-off stores — places like UPS stores and 
small shops where people take their goods to be sold on eBay — or the more 
general category of trading assistants. Anyone engaged in selling on the site 
depends on a relatively friction-free environment in order to make a profit. So 
does eBay, because its overall corporate goal is to keep sales volumes high. 

At any given moment, 89 million items are for sale on eBay, and the mother 
ship — eBay itself — gets a fee for each successful transaction. It also charges 
its 193 million registered users listing fees for any products they display on 
the site. EBay's gross transaction fees for the first quarter of 2006 alone were 
more than $500 million, a 30 percent increase over the same quarter in 2005. 
Keeping regulators at bay, particularly those whose efforts might slow down 
sales traffic, is a particularly high prior

[MOPO] Interesting Bid History FW

[Scott Burns]

MoPo'ers:
 
Rudy 
Franchi is also having bounced mail problems so he asked me to forward this post 
back to the group.
 
Scott
 
From: Rudy Franchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 
Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:57 PMSubject: 
Re: [MOPO] Interesting 
Bid HistoryWho 
would bid on that signed photo without better and larger scans? Also, that GWTW 
signed program is most suspicious. It is not the premiere program, but rather 
the lobby program sold during film's first run. Are we to assume all those 
people showed up at the local cinema on a Saturday night? And as far a round 
robin signing, I've never known of a piece to avoid disappearing or being 
damaged somewhere during its travels from signer to signer. Further , as with 
the Wizard of Oz multi signed page, all sigs seem to be in the same ink. If you 
look at other items up for sale, they include all the holy grails of autograph 
collecting. The whole thing reminds me of the incident a few years ago when the 
FBI busted a huge ring of vendors of fake signed baseballs. When they logged in 
the unsold items, they found the obligatory Babe Ruths and Mickey Mantles plus a 
ball "signed" by Mother Theresa.  
 
Regards,  
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8754/Fax: 617 241 0710eBay User I.D.: firedog"If the world made any 
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[MOPO] FW: [MOPO] Interesting Bid History

[Scott Burns]

 This post was bounced by the listserv for some reason, so I'm forwarding it
back to the group.

Scott
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Hi Marty,
Most likely due to malfunctioning sniper software.  It would be v difficult
to churn out bids like that manually.
M

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Re: [MOPO] Interesting Bid History

[Phil Edwards Cinema Arts]

If you bid increasing amounts, it only shows the next increment when
ANOTHER bidder places a higher bid.

I've bid a couple of times (prior to using sniping only) to cover my
previous bid if I wasn't around for the end of auction.

Why this guy put in all those bids is anybodys guess, but I like the
pot/beer theory.

PCE


Richard Halegua Comic Art wrote:


At 06:22 PM 9/21/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I am really confused by all those bids for the same amount. What is
the scam here, and how does it work??




okay it works like this.. first of all the guy wants people to see
multiple bids as it helps an item sell.. so he keeps entering a bid
at the next increment over his own hi-bid

$382, 383, 384, 385, 386, 387 etc.

why he did it 378 times, must have been when he was smoking pot and
drinking beer (mostly beer I'm sure) and was in all likelihood having
a real hoot with himself

the moral we should all learn?  Don't do it at home folks.. ! Only
have fun with yourself in public...

:-)

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