Re: Mozilla and Java Servlets

[Mikel]

I forgot to add the fact that when I access this site, Mozilla crashes and closes! 
This can't be a good thing!

In article <9fpb8r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Mike Lazlo"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am having the same thing happening at:
> 
>https://tmn.sun.com/WLC/servlet/GuestLoginServlet?cmd=login1&loginType=1&l%20anguage=en&id=programmer
> 
> I am running Mozilla .9 Build ID: 2001050521 with Xiaman Gnome 1.4 on
> Redhat 7.0. This build also only lets me run Mozilla as root or su.
> Which is not a good thing for a normal user!
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Hoary Cripple"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone else experienced Mozilla 0.9 choking on java servlets? When
>> I go to:
>> 
>> 
>http://www.tirerack.com/upgrade_garage/WheelSearch.jsp?autoMake=Acura&autoModel=3.2TL&autoYear=2002
>> 
>> it refuses to load the page completely.  I cannot find this "bug" in
>> bugzilla, and so I am looking for some input before filing a bug
>> report.
>> 
>> Thanks for any information
>> -HC

Re: Mozilla (Netscape), AOL, and WinXP

[Tim Wunder]

JTK wrote:

> DeMoN_LaG wrote:
> 
>>JTK wrote:
>>
> 
> [snip]
> 
> 
>>>I'd love to see AOL be Linux-ONLY.  That way they'd have exactly zero
>>>customers and the AOL blight would disappear from the earth.
>>>
>>>
>>Who said anything about Linux only?
>>
> 
> I did.  Wouldn't that be sweet?  No more AOL CD's choking the planet's
> rivers and oceans, no more AOL users, no more AOL  You may say I'm a
> dreamer, but I'm not the only one.
> 


No you're not. Count me in there. AOL is the scorge of the universe. 
Only Bill Gates is more evil than Steve Case.


> 
>> Right now, AOL can't release a
>>linux/BeOS/FreeBSD/non Win32 or Mac client because they have to use IE
>>as their browser.
>>
> 
> Right, plus there is absolutely no market for them on
> Linux/BeOS/FreeBSD/non-Win32.  But I thought they did have a Mac client.
> 


I think he already allowed for that is his argument. You snipped "or Mac 
client" that came right after "non-Win32"


> 
>> MS will not release IE for any other OS.
>>
> 
> Uh... as somebody already pointed out, they have indeed done so, for the
> Mac and for some Unii.
> 


For the Mac, which he already included in the argument, and for 2 Unices 
Solaris and HPUX -- no other Unix variant, not SCO, not AIX -- and 
certainly no linux distribution. (yeah, yeah, linux is irrelevant)


> 
>> Why?  Well,
>>I would imagine that they can't do it for Linux because Linux is an open
>>source project, and as such they'd have to not integrate it into the
>>persons desktop.  IE loses 100% of it's advantages when it's uncoupled
>>from Windows (takes about as long as current Mozilla builds take to
>>start).
>>
> 
> You have numbers to that effect?  As for rendering speed, current
> oficcial Politburo numbers have Mozilla at about six *TIMES* slower than
> IE.
> 
> 
>> And *if* AOL went linux only, the only reason that there would
>>be zero customers is that anyone who can set up their own linux box is
>>beyond AOL's user friendly environment and they use a real ISP.
>>
> 
> Exactly.  Plus Linux boxes account for, what, 0.1% of the
> desktops out there?
> 


Linux on the desktop may not be large, but it's WAY more than 
0.1%, it's much closer to the 4 or 5% that Mac has. Certainly no 
great shakes, but more than you're giving it credit for.


> 
>> Oh,
>>hey, troll boy.  What's the most common web server out there?  Is it Win
>>NT?  Oh.. hey look at that.  It's Apache, an OPEN SOURCE web server that
>>runs on Linux, an OPEN SOURCE operating system.
>>
> 
> Runs on Windows too, demon boy.  But what's that got to do with AOL?
> 
> 
>> When was the last time
>>that Linux needed an emergency patch to fix a security hole?
>>
> 
> I guess last month, according to another respondent to your anti-MS
> religious rantings.
> 


DL is off base on this argument. The beauty of linux and open source is 
that bug fixes and security patches are much more forthcoming than that 
from Microsoft. Although, MS IS better at it than it's reputation in 
linux-land. linux, however, is better at releasing patches to security 
problems that have no known exploits. Typically, MS will issue patches 
AFTER the exploit.


> 
>> Linux is
>>BUILT by people who know how hackers can attack systems (and even some
>>hackers themselves).
>>
> 
> Linux is BUILT by people who like to code in their spare time.  Windows
> is BUILT by people who are paid to do so.
> 


So what? I know lots of people who do crappy work and get paid for it. 
And I know lots of people who do great work for free. What's your point?

> 
>> They aren't dumb enough to do stuff like MS does
>>
> 
> Hehehe, yeah, must be a real bunch of dumbasses that wrote the OS that's
> on virtually all of the world's desktops.
> 



Success <> intelligence. There are plenty of stupid, inept millionaires 
in this world to prove that. But I'll grant you that Windows is a 
substantial piece of software written by some awfully good programmers. 
Boy, it'd be nice if it were on top of a linux kernel and was open 
source. I'd gladly pay $100 for it ;)


> 
>>with it's IIS software and leave it vulnerable to a buffer overrun that
>>let's anyone take complete control of the server over without you
>>knowing.  But hell, Open Source sucks anyway, right?
>>
> 
> Yes, "Open Source" (aka, "you do the work for free, we get the rights,
> so long sucker"), sucks for the developer (obviously it can't be
> anything but good for AOL, Sun, and whoever else uses that form of slave
> labor).  But of course, you think "Open Source" is the same as "Free
> Software", don't you?
> 


Interesting. Open source == slave labor. Hmmm. I guess you've never 
heard of volunteerism. No one who freely participates in an open source 
project is required to do so, as a "slave" would be. Arguing that is 
just as ignorant as arguing that Open Source == Free Software.


> 
>> Why bother with
>>all this, why not just go spend a couple hundred thousand dollars on
>>anything with an MS logo and wait for Bill

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Re: General Question

[Gervase Markham]

> NOBODY uses Win9x because they like it!  They use it only because they
> have no other realistic option, and nobody seems to be willing to give
> them one.

I am currently using Win95 OSR 2, and have done for about four years,
because I like it.

Gerv

Can't report crash via talkback, so...

[Ed Hurst]

this is the only way I can think to get the data to you folks. Since I'm not look for 
a solution, I won't be checking back, but you can respond to my e-mal if it suits you.

Upon installing the Win32 0.9.1 talkback installer, I get a crash on initialization, a 
second or two after converting my profile from Netscape 4.x. The crash continues to 
happen on intialization. All I get is the screen 
splash for a few seconds, then gone. I caputerd this on the crash notice:

MOZILLA caused an invalid page fault in
module PIPNSS.DLL at 015f:608af004.
Registers:
EAX= CS=015f EIP=608af004 EFLGS=00010202
EBX=01fee4b0 SS=0167 ESP=0068f61c EBP=
ECX= DS=0167 ESI=01ff0010 FS=321f
EDX=01ff0010 ES=0167 EDI= GS=
Bytes at CS:EIP:
8b 48 10 51 ff 15 e8 f1 8e 60 59 c3 8b 44 24 04 
Stack dump:
608b2a27  01ff2620 01ff0010  01fee4b0  0001 0034 
780012c0 0034  60df759b 0034 608e3d15 608b29f0

Talkback won't work, because Netscape keeps cutting me off. Could it be they are 
demanding to connect with my computer and my firewall won't let 'em?
I don't trust ANYBODY to connect to my ports.

Ed Hurst

Re: Mozilla (Netscape), AOL, and WinXP

[JTK]

DeMoN_LaG wrote:
> 
> JTK wrote:

[snip]

> > I'd love to see AOL be Linux-ONLY.  That way they'd have exactly zero
> > customers and the AOL blight would disappear from the earth.
> >
> 
> Who said anything about Linux only?

I did.  Wouldn't that be sweet?  No more AOL CD's choking the planet's
rivers and oceans, no more AOL users, no more AOL  You may say I'm a
dreamer, but I'm not the only one.

>  Right now, AOL can't release a
> linux/BeOS/FreeBSD/non Win32 or Mac client because they have to use IE
> as their browser.

Right, plus there is absolutely no market for them on
Linux/BeOS/FreeBSD/non-Win32.  But I thought they did have a Mac client.

>  MS will not release IE for any other OS.

Uh... as somebody already pointed out, they have indeed done so, for the
Mac and for some Unii.

>  Why?  Well,
> I would imagine that they can't do it for Linux because Linux is an open
> source project, and as such they'd have to not integrate it into the
> persons desktop.  IE loses 100% of it's advantages when it's uncoupled
> from Windows (takes about as long as current Mozilla builds take to
> start).

You have numbers to that effect?  As for rendering speed, current
oficcial Politburo numbers have Mozilla at about six *TIMES* slower than
IE.

>  And *if* AOL went linux only, the only reason that there would
> be zero customers is that anyone who can set up their own linux box is
> beyond AOL's user friendly environment and they use a real ISP.

Exactly.  Plus Linux boxes account for, what, 0.1% of the
desktops out there?

>  Oh,
> hey, troll boy.  What's the most common web server out there?  Is it Win
> NT?  Oh.. hey look at that.  It's Apache, an OPEN SOURCE web server that
> runs on Linux, an OPEN SOURCE operating system.

Runs on Windows too, demon boy.  But what's that got to do with AOL?

>  When was the last time
> that Linux needed an emergency patch to fix a security hole?

I guess last month, according to another respondent to your anti-MS
religious rantings.

>  Linux is
> BUILT by people who know how hackers can attack systems (and even some
> hackers themselves).

Linux is BUILT by people who like to code in their spare time.  Windows
is BUILT by people who are paid to do so.

>  They aren't dumb enough to do stuff like MS does

Hehehe, yeah, must be a real bunch of dumbasses that wrote the OS that's
on virtually all of the world's desktops.

> with it's IIS software and leave it vulnerable to a buffer overrun that
> let's anyone take complete control of the server over without you
> knowing.  But hell, Open Source sucks anyway, right?

Yes, "Open Source" (aka, "you do the work for free, we get the rights,
so long sucker"), sucks for the developer (obviously it can't be
anything but good for AOL, Sun, and whoever else uses that form of slave
labor).  But of course, you think "Open Source" is the same as "Free
Software", don't you?

>  Why bother with
> all this, why not just go spend a couple hundred thousand dollars on
> anything with an MS logo and wait for Bill Gates to appear in your
> dreams saying "You will be assimilated"

Hehehe, yeah, I'll do that.  While you're waiting, how about you make an
extra tithe to the Church of the Holy Anything-But-Microsoft this
month?  Maybe that'll put BeOS on one more desktop, doubling its
penetration into the market!

Re: Exporting Netscape 6.01 Address Book

[NJTechie]

I figured out a way to get this done

- Create a draft EMail
- Click on the address button.
- Select all of the address in the address book you want to convert and
click on the TO button
- Save your EMail (do not send it)
- Go to your draft folder, click on the draft of the EMail you just created
and click on forward (you do not need to actually send it).
- You can then go to the body of the forwarded EMail, copy & past all of the
addresses into a word processor, and manipulate the file so that names,
addresses etc are separated by commas and each address is on a separate
line. You will need to create a header row with the names of the fields (eg
First Name, Last Name, EMail Address etc)
- Save this file as a text file.
- You can then use the import utility in the MS Address book to import this
file as a Comma Separated Value file.

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"Christopher Jahn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [posted and mailed]
>
> And it came to pass that NJTechie wrote:
>
> > I am trying to find a way to export / migrate the names &
> > EMail addresses that I have stored in several Netscape 6.01
> > address books into Outlook Express 5.  In Netscape there is
> > no Export menu option (only import), and the Outlook import
> > utility only supports earlier versions of Netscape.
>
>
> It is not possible to export your address book out of Netscape6
> or Mozilla at this time.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> }:-)   Christopher Jahn
> {:-( Dionysian Reveler
>
> SnaKES! snakES... SnakeS... SnAKes!
>
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Re: NTLM Proxy Authentication

[Bryan Green]

Thanks!


"R.K.Aa." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
>See http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23679
>As for whether v.1 is the target - not sure. See last comment in bug.
>
>K.
>
>Bryan Green wrote:
>
>>  Does anyone know if Mozilla will be supporting Microsoft's 
>> proprietary NTLM Proxy Authentication in the 1.0 release?  I know that
>> sound like a stupid question for an open source, standards based 
>> application like Mozilla, but our organization has chosen the MS ISA
>> server using NTLM authentication for our internet access and I'd hate
>> to see Mozilla excluded from our office based on that.  Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Bryan Green, CNE, MCSE, CCNA
>> Network Engineer
>> 
>
>

Re: Mozilla and Java Servlets

[Mike Lazlo]

I am having the same thing happening at:
https://tmn.sun.com/WLC/servlet/GuestLoginServlet?cmd=login1&loginType=1&l%20anguage=en&id=programmer

I am running Mozilla .9 Build ID: 2001050521 with Xiaman Gnome 1.4 on
Redhat 7.0. This build also only lets me run Mozilla as root or su. Which
is not a good thing for a normal user!

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Hoary Cripple"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Has anyone else experienced Mozilla 0.9 choking on java servlets? When I
> go to:
> 
> 
>http://www.tirerack.com/upgrade_garage/WheelSearch.jsp?autoMake=Acura&autoModel=3.2TL&autoYear=2002
> 
> it refuses to load the page completely.  I cannot find this "bug" in
> bugzilla, and so I am looking for some input before filing a bug report.
> 
> Thanks for any information
> -HC

Re: Don't want to shutdown mozilla

[Bagus Mahawan]

> run mozilla using the -turbo parameter on launch. It'll keep a
> hidden window in the back so that mozilla always stay open

Thank you, Jenkins.
I tried launching mozilla with
  > ./mozilla -turbo & ,
and I found that mozilla starts and closes as usual (as if it is launched
with no option).
I also check 'ps aux' to see if mozilla runs in the background after I
closed the window, but I didn't find it.
I'm using mozilla 0.9 built from the source tarball, running on linux.
Does mozilla 0.9 supports '-turbo' option ?

Regards,
Bagus

Re: Bug: 2001060708 Linux : Strange browser scrollbar behavior with small screenshot

[Clarence (Andreas M. Schneider)]

"Eyes to the Skies." wrote:
> 
> In build 2001060708 of linux, the browser scrollbar appears to be
> misbehaving. See the attached graphic. Notice the middle of the 'grab'
> bar with the horizontal lines, but there is no lower border. There is
> also no upper border if i scroll
> down. It can still be used to scroll up or down, but its rather
> annoying. This does not happen in the mail client or the news client.

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84403

Clarence

Re: Mozilla (Netscape), AOL, and WinXP

[Carlfish]

On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:20:19 -0400, DeMoN_LaG 
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> somehow managed to type:
>When was the last time 
>that Linux needed an emergency patch to fix a security hole?

Subscribe to BUGTRAQ some time.

I'm too lazy to check in detail right now, but 
http://www.redhat.com/errata/rh71-errata-security.html lists 11
security patches since April 16th.

The most recent remote-root exploit was in xntpd on April 8th.

That said, Linux distributions tend to consist of several hundred
independant packages. If you only install what you need, you're going to
run into far fewer required security updates. Take a regular Linux system,
replace sendmail with qmail or postfix, uninstall the 80% of the default
packages that you don't actually use, replace BIND4/8 with BIND 9 or
djbdns, and you've got something pretty secure.

_That_ said, the reason Windows leads the world in website defacements is
that most of the published NT/2000 exploits seem to really be in IIS, so
if you replace that with another webserver, you're pretty safe too.

Charles Miller

Re: help with netscape!

[Christopher Jahn]

And it came to pass that rcohen wrote:

> I have been reading this newsgroup through
> secnews.netscape.com (secure)  netscape.communicator . Now,
> it won't read at all. any ideas? Mozilla. general reads
> through my network server, though... 
> 
> It seems as though my netscape communicator is not working
> right. It locks up, images freeze, don't disappear when I
> close them,  etc. I have  a Dell dimensions 4100 (pentium
> lll) and windows 98SE.  AND netscape 4.77.
> 
> 

Mozilla and Netscape Communicator share no code, and thus no 
solutions.

Try here;
http://ufaq.org

Also, you can try deleting the summary files for the affected 
groups:  "[group].snm"

-- 
}:-)   Christopher Jahn
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Re: v4.72/bookmark problem...

[Christopher Jahn]

And it came to pass that xinfo wrote:

> Been using Communicator v4.72 for quite some time... Anyway,
> the browser crashed today and the user used ctrl+alt+del to
> kill the process. When the browser was restarted, all of the
> bookmarks were gone. I can not seem to find the bookmark.htm
> for this user anywhere on the machine. Can anyone explain
> why the bookmark file would have been deleted - there were
> some rather important links in there.
> 
> TIA
> 

This group has nothing to do with Netscape Communicator.

Try the following:

http://ufaq.org

snews://secnews.netscape.com/netscape.communicator

-- 
}:-)   Christopher Jahn
{:-( Dionysian Reveler
  
SnaKES! snakES... SnakeS... SnAKes!
 
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Re: Exporting Netscape 6.01 Address Book

[Christopher Jahn]

[posted and mailed]

And it came to pass that NJTechie wrote:

> I am trying to find a way to export / migrate the names &
> EMail addresses that I have stored in several Netscape 6.01
> address books into Outlook Express 5.  In Netscape there is
> no Export menu option (only import), and the Outlook import
> utility only supports earlier versions of Netscape. 


It is not possible to export your address book out of Netscape6 
or Mozilla at this time.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



-- 
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Re: Mozilla (Netscape), AOL, and WinXP

[Pratik Solanki]

DeMoN_LaG wrote:

 
> MS will not release IE for any other OS.  


MS has an IE 5 version that runs on Solaris and HP-UX. Also there's IE 
for Mac.

- Pratik.

Re: Date/time parsing tools ? Regular expressions librairies ?

[gael coudreuse]

Do you know the difference between Java script and Perl for regular
expression matching ? Are there any good reasons why choosing one versus
the other ?
Thanks,
Gael

Matthew Wilson wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 10:59:06 -0700, gael coudreuse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi All,
> >
> >Are there any existing date/time parsing tools available in mozilla ?
> >Which librairies could be used for regular expression matching ?
>
> Javascript has regular expressions built-in.
>
> Matthew Wilson

Re: Exporting Netscape 6.01 Address Book

[Christopher Jahn]

And it came to pass that news-server.optonline.net wrote:

> I am trying to find a way to export / migrate the names &
> EMail addresses that I have stored in several Netscape 6.01
> address books into Outlook Express 5.  In Netscape there is
> no Export menu option (only import), and the Outlook import
> utility only supports earlier versions of Netscape. 
> 

It is not possible to export your address book out of Netscape6 
or Mozilla at this time.

-- 
}:-)   Christopher Jahn
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Exporting Netscape 6.01 Address Book

[news-server.optonline.net]

I am trying to find a way to export / migrate the names & EMail addresses
that I have stored in several Netscape 6.01 address books into Outlook
Express 5.  In Netscape there is no Export menu option (only import), and
the Outlook import utility only supports earlier versions of Netscape.

I was able to migrate my mailbox folders (local) using Eudora as
'middleware' however I cannot locate equivalent instructions for migrating
the address books.  I thought about sending an EMail to myself and cc
everyone in the address book and collecting the addresses however that is
too labor intensive and I do not want to spam everyone with EMail.

Please respond via EMail

Thanks.

-Bruce

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Re: General Question

[JTK]

jesus X wrote:
> 
> JTK wrote:
> > > Oh, but it is. Thet's common knowledge that when IE crashes it's very easy
> > > for it to take down the whole OS, necessitating a reboot.
> > It's a common myth the anti-Microsoft crowd likes to believe.
> 
> But you see, I'm not an "anti-Microsoft" person.

Then you impersonate one rather well.  You don't want MS to "make your
choices for you" (whatever that means), right?

> Honestly, I LIKE some of the MS
> operating systems. I use Win98 because I LIKE it.

NOBODY uses Win9x because they like it!  They use it only because they
have no other realistic option, and nobody seems to be willing to give
them one.

> I like WinNT even more. Win2k
> is a nice upgrade from NT, but still needs a bit more work.

Needs work where?  Why2K as I see it is the culmination of all the work
MS has put into all the various Windii over the years.  It's the Windows
Windows should have been all along.  At this point it'll be merely
window-dressing and minor tweaking to the Why2K base, until some new,
major computing revolution happens.

> WinME sucks.

You like Win98 but WinME sucks?!?!  WinME *is* Win98, plus a boatload of
bugfixes.  How can you like 98 and hate ME?

> WinXP
> is nice, but I'm reserving my final judgment on that until later in the year...

I have yet to even take a look, since what I'm hearing is that it's
Why2K with a little bit of that horrid Apple "Aqua" look to it.  Yawn. 
But whatever...

> While most technical people dislike MS OSes flat out,

Mmm, no, most zealots do that.  Most technical people who think for
themselves know that MS OS's are the worst OS's available, except for
all the non-MS ones.

> I can give them their due
> credit for a lot of things. Now, A lot, most, of MS products I don't like.
> Office, for example. I just don't like it as a whole. Excel is nice, and VBA
> give it some really nice capabilities. Publisher I love, and have used since 1.0
> beta days. Word sucks.

Compared to what?  If Word could figure out how to do bullets and
numbering sanely, like WordPerfect was able to do a decade ago until it
died around version 6.0, and lose the stupid "normal view" and "web
view", it'd be just about right.  Who does better word processing than
Word?

> Access is just not worth it.

Never used it, and IIRC doesn't come in the package anymore unless you
get the "enterprise" edition or whatever they call it.

> MS's business practices I
> despise.
> 

Only AOL could go to China.

> But IE _IS_ undeniably tied to the OS is it's default form, where some crashes
> necessitate a reboot.
>

IE is the Windows shell.  So yeah, in a sense it's "tied to the OS". 
And like I said, on the Win9x series, a crash of *any* program is not
unlikely to necessitate a reboot.
 
> > > There have been utilities
> > > created by users to help work around that,
> > Such as?
> 
> There is one that I have used, which name I can't recall (of course), which
> allows the user to recover icons that should be in the system tray, but
> disappear after an Explorer/IE GPF.

I'm not sure how that would be possible.  I know what causes that
problem, and it isn't really IE's fault, it's the program's, in that it
doesn't respond to the "IE has restarted, redraw your icon" message. 
Admittedly I'm not convinced the program should *have* to respond to
such a message...

> Norton's Crashguard used to have a feature
> that when your browser crashed, it would remember the last URL you were viewing,
> and allow you to load that URL the next time you restarted the browser or
> rebooted.

That sounds about as useless a utility as they get.  Then again, Norton
has been on a steep downward slide ever since DOS was taken off the
market.

> Utilities designed to help separate IE from the OS (such as TweakUI
> from the Win95/98 shell team). Etc.
> 

How does TweakUI do anything like that?

> [No crashes]
> > No, I'm telling you IE has NEVER, EVER "killed my OS", as in having to
> > reinstall it, as Mr. Lag claims he has had to do.
> 
> While I've never had a crash hose my entire OS,

Alright then.  The Savior and I are in full agreement. ;-)

> I do recall that the beta's of
> IE 5 could not be uninstalled, necessitating a reinstall of the OS.
>

Beta.  The Mozilla faithful want to use that excuse even though Mozilla
was released about six months ago, so I think it's only fair that you
give IE that same excuse when it actually applies.

Furthermore, I *don't* recall such a problem, and as I've said, I've
used all the betas and more.  But I'm not in the habit of uninstalling
them (never had a reason to), so my memory may not be correct in this
instance.

> > but on WinNT/2K, even if the
> > *shell* instance crashes, it will automatically restart.  And NT/2K has
> > never BSOD'd on me due to any user-mode program, IE's included.
> 
> Well, we all know that Win2k inherits NT's VM structure, allowing much more
> graceful recovery from app crashes. I've had a couple poorly written apps BSD NT
> though.

Use

Re: General Question

[JTK]

jesus X wrote:
> 
> JTK wrote:
> > Um, Rabbi, Netscape has *already* been rendered irrelevant.  By itself.
> 
> First, I'm not a rabbi.

Jesus was a rabbi.  Just a little religious humor for ya there.

> And second, NS is not irrelevant despite it's own
> actions. Ask ten developers of major web site companies if NS is irrelevant.
> They'll say no.
>

Indeed they will.  They'll say "God I hate Netscape.  It is such a
complete pain in the kiester having to develop web sites that render
properly on NC4.7x (especially since it accounts for such a slim
minority of the people hitting my site)."
 
> > > No. I won't. I don't like the way they do things, I don't like their
> > > pathetic excuse for security, I don't like having my options narrowed to
> > > one for me. No, I will not "deal with it" nor will I accept it.
> > Then I guess you'll just have to come to terms with being rendered
> > irrelevant by someone who does.
> 
> I doubt it. I refuse to have my choices made for me in the arena.

Hehehe, brother, your choices have already been made for you.  Who do
you think writes up the "PC'9x" specs that your machine meets?

> I will not
> abide by Microsoft's decisions of what is good for me if I disagree. Flat out.
>

You've chosen a battle that has already been fought and lost by too many
others.  And those others were much better equipped than Mozilla to
"kill Micro$oft".
 
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v4.72/bookmark problem...

[xinfo]

Been using Communicator v4.72 for quite some time... Anyway,
the browser crashed today and the user used ctrl+alt+del to
kill the process. When the browser was restarted, all of the
bookmarks were gone. I can not seem to find the bookmark.htm
for this user anywhere on the machine. Can anyone explain
why the bookmark file would have been deleted - there were
some rather important links in there.

TIA

Re: Mozilla (Netscape), AOL, and WinXP

[JTK]

Pratik Solanki wrote:
> 
> DeMoN_LaG wrote:
> 
> 
> > MS will not release IE for any other OS.
> 
> MS has an IE 5 version that runs on Solaris and HP-UX. Also there's IE
> for Mac.
> 
> - Pratik.

Silence Pratik!  The truth has no place here!

Re: Date/time parsing tools ? Regular expressions librairies ?

[Matthew Wilson]

On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 14:12:31 -0700, gael coudreuse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>Do you know the difference between Java script and Perl for regular
>expression matching ? Are there any good reasons why choosing one versus
>the other ?
>Thanks,
>Gael

Perl regular expressions are more powerful thatn Javascript, as far as
I know.

The advantage of Javascript (in the Mozilla context) is that it is
built-in to the browser.

Matthew

Exporting Netscape 6.01 Address Book

[NJTechie]

I am trying to find a way to export / migrate the names & EMail addresses
that I have stored in several Netscape 6.01 address books into Outlook
Express 5.  In Netscape there is no Export menu option (only import), and
the Outlook import utility only supports earlier versions of Netscape.

I was able to migrate my mailbox folders (local) using Eudora as
'middleware' however I cannot locate equivalent instructions for migrating
the address books.  I thought about sending an EMail to myself and cc
everyone in the address book and collecting the addresses however that is
too labor intensive and I do not want to spam everyone with EMail.

Please respond via EMail

Thanks.

-Bruce

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Re: Porting data from Outlook to Mozilla...

[Christopher Jahn]

And it came to pass that John Nelson wrote:

> 
> All,
> Microsoft provides no facilities to migrate my data
> (specifically Contacts) out of Outlook into a format that
> Mozilla can read. I did try exporting my Contacts as CSV
> files, however Mozilla understands only a fixed format for
> this kind of data (i.e. Mozilla does not read the CSV
> headers and place the data in the "right place").
> 
> So I'm stuck.  Does anyone here know of a plugin or utility
> that can export Contacts lists in Microsoft Outlook to a
> format that Mozilla understands (like vCard, LDIF)?
> 

Try DAWN, there are links to it from here:
http://www.emailman.com




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Re: Mozilla (Netscape), AOL, and WinXP

[Jesse Houwing]

> When was the last time
> that Linux needed an emergency patch to fix a security hole?  Linux is
> BUILT by people who know how hackers can attack systems (and even some
> hackers themselves)

Please...

I'm currently administrating a few linux boxes, and to be hounest, I've
installed patches to fix leaks and exploits on an almost bi-weekly basis, that's
quite a lot more often than I'm doing on my windows 2000 server :)~

Jesse

Re: Slow to re-act on linux w/ gnome

[Hans-Peter Fischer]

On 6 Jun 2001 23:09:13 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam Theo) wrote:

>i am running red hat linux 7.0 (although thinking of switching to ROCK
>linux, to cut down on the 'bloat-factor' which i'm beginning to hate
>so much.), and running mozilla 0.9, not a nightly build, just the
>milestone release. it is under the Gnome environment, using the
>Sawfish window manager (although thinking of switching over to
>Oroborus window manager again to cut down on bloat.)
>
[...]
>
>there is still a big lag between where my mouse is on the window
>and what it clicks, and what actually happens. when i move the cursor
>to hover over the 'bookmarks' button, it takes a good many seconds for
>the program to catch up, and allow me to click it. then i wait a few
>more seconds for the menu to pop down. this reaction time is much
>slower than what netscape 4.75 and all other programs i used were
>(even Jarl, a Perl/Tk Jabber instant messaging client i use.)
>
>also to be fair, my system is old. i am running this on a Cyrix 166
>with 64 mb's RAM. the only fast thing i have is a DSL connection  :) i
>am that programmer/user who stands firm against the tide of constant
>processor upgrades.  :)
>
>i just wanted to know, is this sort of lag to be expected on my
>system? a 166 processor, although within the required hardware specs
>(barely), cannot be expected to perform any better than that? even
>though netscape works fine?
>
>or is there some way i can improve this performance? is the nightly
>build improvment on performance? whatabout trying to cut out the fat
>of Gnome? i use it b/c i can have an attractive background pixmap and
>program launchers both on the desktop and on a panel at the bottom of
>my screen. but other than the bit of eye candy and functionality
>there, i don't have any real reason to run Gnome. could i improve
>performance by switching out of Gnome, to some independant window
>manager? any suggestions for a window manager that you like? what
>about cutting out any other bloat elsewhere?

Hi,

I am using a Pentium 166 MMX and, yes, there is a slight delay in
menu response, but not seconds. About half a second perhaps.

If you are so concerned about bloat you'd better not use any of the 
"desktop environments". I'm using fvwm2 and I have yet to find anything
sensible that it can't do. I have always thought of Gnome and KDE as
attempts to bring Windows (i. e. bloat) to Linux, and that is not what 
I want. ;-)

HP

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Re: Mozilla (Netscape), AOL, and WinXP

[JTK]

DeMoN_LaG wrote:
> 
> Mustafa Hirji wrote:
> 
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > says...
> >
> >>Did you even read the article? The talks between AOL and Microsoft have
> >>broken down.
> >>
> >
> > But then the started talking again.
> >
> 
> Kast I heard they weren't talking.  Maybe AOL will realize they have
> enough customer base and new incoming customers WITHOUT having it on the
> Windows desktop that they are finally going to say screw off to MS.  I'd
> love to see a linux version of AOL

I'd love to see AOL be Linux-ONLY.  That way they'd have exactly zero
customers and the AOL blight would disappear from the earth.

Re: Mozilla (Netscape), AOL, and WinXP

[DeMoN_LaG]

JTK wrote:

> DeMoN_LaG wrote:
> 
>>Mustafa Hirji wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>says...
>>>
>>>
Did you even read the article? The talks between AOL and Microsoft have
broken down.


>>>But then the started talking again.
>>>
>>>
>>Kast I heard they weren't talking.  Maybe AOL will realize they have
>>enough customer base and new incoming customers WITHOUT having it on the
>>Windows desktop that they are finally going to say screw off to MS.  I'd
>>love to see a linux version of AOL
>>
> 
> I'd love to see AOL be Linux-ONLY.  That way they'd have exactly zero
> customers and the AOL blight would disappear from the earth.
> 

Who said anything about Linux only?  Right now, AOL can't release a 
linux/BeOS/FreeBSD/non Win32 or Mac client because they have to use IE 
as their browser.  MS will not release IE for any other OS.  Why?  Well, 
I would imagine that they can't do it for Linux because Linux is an open 
source project, and as such they'd have to not integrate it into the 
persons desktop.  IE loses 100% of it's advantages when it's uncoupled 
from Windows (takes about as long as current Mozilla builds take to 
start).  And *if* AOL went linux only, the only reason that there would 
be zero customers is that anyone who can set up their own linux box is 
beyond AOL's user friendly environment and they use a real ISP.  Oh, 
hey, troll boy.  What's the most common web server out there?  Is it Win 
NT?  Oh.. hey look at that.  It's Apache, an OPEN SOURCE web server that 
runs on Linux, an OPEN SOURCE operating system.  When was the last time 
that Linux needed an emergency patch to fix a security hole?  Linux is 
BUILT by people who know how hackers can attack systems (and even some 
hackers themselves).  They aren't dumb enough to do stuff like MS does 
with it's IIS software and leave it vulnerable to a buffer overrun that 
let's anyone take complete control of the server over without you 
knowing.  But hell, Open Source sucks anyway, right?  Why bother with 
all this, why not just go spend a couple hundred thousand dollars on 
anything with an MS logo and wait for Bill Gates to appear in your 
dreams saying "You will be assimilated"

Re: More top-secret BS commits with hidden bug reports

[Mitchell Stoltz]

Rip Toren wrote:


> The connection goes either to the outside world, or localhost. How about
> a security popup (and associated preference settings (allow, question,
> deny)) concerning connection to the local host (localhost,
> 127.0.0.1,myIP,etc). Then the user would be in some control when a page
> attempted to use the somewhat priveleged state of having the socketpeer
> being the local host.
> 


The exploit doesn't necessarily involve localhost - the attacker could 
be trying to connect to some other machine, perhaps behind the user's 
firewall.
   -Mitch

Re: Have you seen this (netscape abandons browser software)

[Stuart Ballard]

Jesse Houwing wrote:
> 
> Netscape: We're in media, not browser business now

Much as I'd love to see some of the Netscape employees here comment on
what this means for the amount of resources NS/AOL/TW will put into
Mozilla, I'd be surprised if the answer would be anything other than "we
can't comment on this".

Netscape has been absolutely great about opening up its development
process, but they've understandably been anything but open about their
business plans - to the point that they haven't even confirmed that
their next release will be called 6.5 despite numerous references to
this number in bugzilla.

If we do get any information about this at all, it'll probably be in the
form of an official statement from mozilla.org, who are of course in
contact with the Netscape people and can probably craft a statement
which will address the community's concerns without revealing any
information that AOL/TW doesn't want known.

Having said all that, I'd love to be wrong and get some straight up
answers direct from NS people - even if they are "we can't comment".

And I hope that the mozilla.org folks are working on that statement,
because there does seem to be significant community concern about what
this might mean, and this will need to be addressed.

Stuart.

Bug: 2001060708 Linux : Strange browser scrollbar behavior with small screenshot

[Eyes to the Skies.]

In build 2001060708 of linux, the browser scrollbar appears to be 
misbehaving. See the attached graphic. Notice the middle of the 'grab' 
bar with the horizontal lines, but there is no lower border. There is 
also no upper border if i scroll
down. It can still be used to scroll up or down, but its rather 
annoying. This does not happen in the mail client or the news client.

As a side note, on my p200 128M ram typing this in the composer is still 
FAR too
  slow, I had to do it in vi and then copy it.

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Have you seen this (netscape abandons browser software)

[Jesse Houwing]

By Reshma Kapadia

NEW YORK, June 6 (Reuters) - AOL Time Warner Inc (NYSE:AOL - news) is remaking
its pioneering Netscape software business into an Internet media hub brimming
with Time Warner artists and publications, aimed at office workers and Web
purists not already using AOL services.

``The browser is a crown jewel. However, six months from now, you won't consider
Netscape to be a browser
company,'' Netscape President Jim Bankoff told Reuters in an interview,
referring to its early role in creating the first popular tool for surfing the
Web.

The shift recognises the overwhelming dominance of the Internet Explorer (IE)
browser produced by arch-rival
Microsoft Corp (NasdaqNM:MSFT - news), and frees AOL to focus on new media
markets now taking shape on
computers, phones and television.

The revved-up Netscape media strategy signals that AOL Time Warner is stepping
up the integration of its varied business units following the completion of
AOL's $106.2 billion purchase of Time Warner Inc in January.

Netscape, which plans to embark on a brand advertising campaign later this year,
wants to act as a hub for the wide array of core Time Warner media properties --
such as Fortune and Time magazines and the 24-hour cable news  network CNN.

So far about 18 Time Warner publication and programming sites, including CNNfn
financial news and CNN.com, have been embedded in the toolbar that runs
along the top of the Netscape media site.

NETSCAPE SOFTWARE TO ACT AS COMPONENTS FOR MEDIA SERVICES

Netscape is by no means a rejection of its software legacy, as components of its
browser technology will continue to power new features of Netscape's media
services aimed at office workers, small businesses and sophisticated Web users.

``We have all been waiting to see if they stake the crown on the technology, on
the name, or on the parent and it become more of an extension of a grander
thing,''
said Lydia Loizides, analyst at Internet research firm Jupiter Media Metrix.

``It's not going to be Netscape, but rather Netscape.com,'' Loizides said.

AOL Time Warner's retreat from creating distinct Netscape browsing software
figures in the on-again, off-again talks the company is holding with Microsoft
to
renegotiate its licence to embed the Internet Explorer in its AOL service.

The talks, which broke down last week but are said to have since resumed, would
extend a five-year AOL-Microsoft browser deal that expired in January of this
year, among other topics.

But in an industry that does not know how to stand still, the rivalry has
shifted to instant-messaging services that incorporate browser-like Web surfing
features with
the capacity to swap messages rapidly among friends and colleagues.

Microsoft is incorporating an instant-message service it calls Windows Messenger
into the next version of its operating system software known as Windows XP
that offers audio and video conferencing, file transfers and text messaging.
This change means customers of alternative instant messaging and Web browsers
would have to go to extra effort to use such systems.

The expired Microsoft pact had allowed AOL's software to feature on the desktops
of many Windows PCs, helping fuel the growth of AOL services. AOL still relies
on Internet Explorer as the built-in browser for its now 29 million subscribers.

Bankoff said Netscape's strategy will not be altered regardless of which way the
talks with Microsoft are resolved.

He confirmed that AOL has been testing ``Komodo'' software, which would let AOL
and CompuServe Internet services support multiple Web browsers, including
Netscape, as well as perform various other functions.

Netscape is also trying to increase the reach of its technology platform and has
struck recent deals for its browser to be used in Sony Corp's PlayStation 2 and
direct computer seller Gateway Inc's (NYSE:GTW - news) Touchpad.

``We are finding demand for more than the Internet browser in the marketplace,''
Bankoff said, contrasting Netscape's partnering moves to what he considers
Microsoft's winner-take-all model. ``You will see more pacts like the one struck
with PlayStation.''

NETSCAPE, THE ALTERNATIVE MEDIA BRAND IN THE AOL STABLE

The historic transformation of Netscape into media property has been underway
since AOL bought Netscape in 1999 and Time Warner in 2000 to form the world's
largest media company, with interests ranging from music to film and across the
Internet.

Netscape.com's base of registered users has grown 37 percent to more than 40
million worldwide from 15 million in February 2000, the company said.

The Netscape target user typically surfs the Web at work, often on high-speed
connections, and resists the packaged online experience AOL creates to draw
mainstream audiences who find wide-open Web surfing confusing or overly complex.

``We call them the 'a la carte' crowd. (Netscape users) have a perceived
interest in finding their own things,'' Bankoff said.

Bruce Kasrel, a Forrester Research analys

Re: Latest nightly and bugzilla

[Dan Mosedale]

Ed Burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> When can I use a nightly with bugzilla?  My build from Monday says that
> it's from May 14th when I try to update a bugzilla bug with it.
> 
> How do I fix this, without modifying the user-agent string, which breaks
> the java plugin, since it depends on it being mozilla-ish.
> 

See .  The patch in 
there has issues, though.  So the easy workaround is to "touch
mozilla/content/build/gbdate.pl" and then rebuild the content dll.

Dan


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Segmentation Error

[The R]

Can anyone tell me what's segmentation error?
that's the error I get if I run mozilla under standard user, so far I can 
only run mozilla using root.
can anyone help me?
TIA

Re: General Question

[jesus X]

JTK wrote:
> > Yeah, um, it's still just as stupid and wrong.
> No it's not Jesus.  You should know that.

Nothing is impossible.

> > No one knows where the future
> > will come from.
> But we all know where it won't come from, at least those of us who don't
> have their religious blinders on.

I'm not partaking in the NS vs. MS Holy War. I'm defending Mozilla as a good
piece of software that has a real chance at success. You disagree. That's ok,
I've no burning need to convert you.

> It didn't come from OS/2, it didn't
> come from Java, it sure as hell won't come from Mozilla.

Java never had a chance due to Sun's tight fisted control. They wanted to make
more money that Java was capable of delivering. OS/2 was just WAY under marketed
for far too long. By the time warp came out, it was too late. They really needed
to work on Win32 support too. They had their chance, and instead let OS/2 wither
on the vine, just like Java.
 
> > Did anyone really anticipate Netscape would become as big as
> > they became?
> How could they have?  Nobody even knew about them until they had their
> 15 minutes.

I'd hardly call it 15 minutes. But you still prove my point. Big change can come
from the unknown.

> > Did anyone really think MS could topple them?
> Did anyone think *otherwise*?!?!

Yes. Millions of people. f course, it was also not anticipated that NS would
make so many stupid blunders along the way. I think Jim Barksdale was the first
and biggest mistake.

> > Did anyone really
> > think that Bill Gates would make goo on his promise of IE being created and
> > maintained for every platform Netscape supported?
> Oh, I was pretty sure from the start he'd make goo out of that promise
> ;-).

Er, yeah, I guess that typo worked out better than I thought. :)

His promise reminds me of an old saying: Wish in one hand, poop in the other,
see which one fills up first. I think we saw which hand MS filled first. :)

> > Did anyone REALLY think AOL would wind up going from one of a bunch of
> > cheesy online services to the world leading ISP and merge with one of the
> > world's biggest media companies?
> I'm sure Mr. Case did.

Well, Steve Case also thinks he's the Second Coming.

> > And do you REALLY think that when push comes to shove, AOL/TW WON'T take
> > advantage of Netscape's products?
> They'd certainly try to if they had the option, if for no other reason
> than to make the AOL "experience" even worse than it already is.  They
> don't have that option today.  They never will at the rate Mathuzilla is
> going.

This is just not true on many levels. Not only WOULD AOL, but THEY ARE. The
Gateway TouchPad box is Linux/Mozilla based, as is the Linux Client. And not too
deep within the bowels of AOL R&D is a Win32 client based on Mozilla that could
launch this fall if need be.

> > We'll take it slow for you. Man 1 is king. Man two throws man 1 out of the
> > throne, takes it, and is now the king. Now man 2 thinks he'll always be
> > king, forgetting that he can be unseated just as easily as his predecessor.
> Who's Man 1 now?

Irrelevant, this is an analogy.

> At any rate, you've got an implicit assumtion in there
> that Man 2 is just as inept as Man 1 when it comes to being king.

Also irrelevant. Man 1 was king, and thus believed to be omnipotent. Man 2
believes that as king he'd be omnipotent. No one and no thing is omnipotent.
 
> > Then you're already wrong. Linux has far greater penetration on the desktop
> > market than 0.56% and laptops greater than 0.01%. But of course,
> > you knew that. Right?
> Hey, you're the one that's the Son of God.  I only know what the
> oh-so-"Open" Maozilla project allows me to know.

Mozilla nor Netscape control any media outlets. Go read a trade website and look
for some stats. You'll see your numbers are off.

> > --
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Re: Don't want to shutdown mozilla

[`Jenkins]

Bagus Mahawan wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I don't want to shutdown my mozilla on my linux box. I have tried to remove
> the "File->Close" and "File->Quit" menu by editing the chrome, and it works
> fine.
> But I want also mozilla not to shutdown even if you click the "x" (cross
> button) on the upper right of the window (if you use window manager like
> GNOME, etc).
> But I don't know where to start since it is under control of window manager.
> Does window manager pass any signal (like "destroy" signal) to mozilla when
> the window is closed by pressing "x"(cross button) on the upper right of the
> mozilla window ?
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Regards,
> Bagus
> 
> 
> 
run mozilla using the -turbo parameter on launch. It'll keep a hidden window in the 
back so that mozilla always stay open

Re: General Question

[jesus X]

JTK wrote:
> Um, Rabbi, Netscape has *already* been rendered irrelevant.  By itself.

First, I'm not a rabbi. And second, NS is not irrelevant despite it's own
actions. Ask ten developers of major web site companies if NS is irrelevant.
They'll say no.

> > No. I won't. I don't like the way they do things, I don't like their
> > pathetic excuse for security, I don't like having my options narrowed to
> > one for me. No, I will not "deal with it" nor will I accept it.
> Then I guess you'll just have to come to terms with being rendered
> irrelevant by someone who does.

I doubt it. I refuse to have my choices made for me in the arena. I will not
abide by Microsoft's decisions of what is good for me if I disagree. Flat out.

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Re: General Question

[jesus X]

JTK wrote:
> > Oh, but it is. Thet's common knowledge that when IE crashes it's very easy
> > for it to take down the whole OS, necessitating a reboot.
> It's a common myth the anti-Microsoft crowd likes to believe.

But you see, I'm not an "anti-Microsoft" person. Honestly, I LIKE some of the MS
operating systems. I use Win98 because I LIKE it. I like WinNT even more. Win2k
is a nice upgrade from NT, but still needs a bit more work. WinME sucks. WinXP
is nice, but I'm reserving my final judgment on that until later in the year...
While most technical people dislike MS OSes flat out, I can give them their due
credit for a lot of things. Now, A lot, most, of MS products I don't like.
Office, for example. I just don't like it as a whole. Excel is nice, and VBA
give it some really nice capabilities. Publisher I love, and have used since 1.0
beta days. Word sucks. Access is just not worth it. MS's business practices I
despise.

But IE _IS_ undeniably tied to the OS is it's default form, where some crashes
necessitate a reboot.

> > There have been utilities
> > created by users to help work around that,
> Such as?

There is one that I have used, which name I can't recall (of course), which
allows the user to recover icons that should be in the system tray, but
disappear after an Explorer/IE GPF. Norton's Crashguard used to have a feature
that when your browser crashed, it would remember the last URL you were viewing,
and allow you to load that URL the next time you restarted the browser or
rebooted. Utilities designed to help separate IE from the OS (such as TweakUI
from the Win95/98 shell team). Etc.

[No crashes]
> No, I'm telling you IE has NEVER, EVER "killed my OS", as in having to
> reinstall it, as Mr. Lag claims he has had to do.

While I've never had a crash hose my entire OS, I do recall that the beta's of
IE 5 could not be uninstalled, necessitating a reinstall of the OS.

> but on WinNT/2K, even if the
> *shell* instance crashes, it will automatically restart.  And NT/2K has
> never BSOD'd on me due to any user-mode program, IE's included.

Well, we all know that Win2k inherits NT's VM structure, allowing much more
graceful recovery from app crashes. I've had a couple poorly written apps BSD NT
though. Drivers galore too... But that's another matter (like how half of the
programmers of drivers should be allowed to program).

> Now Win9x/Me is a different matter, they'll bluescreen if the sun goes
> behind a cloud, but the IE's have been no more guilty of that than any
> other software.  But yet again, NEVER, EVER have I had to reinstall.
> Not once.

I'm not saying you DID have to reinstall. But when NS4 crashes, it doesn't BSOD
on me almost ever (I can't recall any, but that doesn't mean it never happened,
just that it's rare if ever). Nor does it do something ugly requiring a reboot.
On occasion I'll have to fire up IE for one site or another, and when it
crashes, 75% of the time I'll have to reboot to get things right again.

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help with netscape!

[rcohen]

I have been reading this newsgroup through secnews.netscape.com
(secure)  netscape.communicator . Now, it won't read at all. any ideas?
Mozilla. general reads through my network server, though...

It seems as though my netscape communicator is not working right. It
locks up, images freeze, don't disappear when I close them,  etc.
I have  a Dell dimensions 4100 (pentium lll) and windows 98SE.  AND
netscape 4.77.



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Re: General Question

[jesus X]

Marc Leger wrote:
> Whatever dude. You must have one helluva sh*tty puter.

Not at all. If it was, I wouldn't be in business. You see, I'm a general
computer consultant. In addition to other things, I do sales and service, a VAR.
I've been selling machines for 8 years. Quality is of the utmost important.

> I have W2K with IE
> 6 beta on my both my laptop and desktop. NEVER, EVER crashes. AND, I have
> .NET beta installed on both. I recommend you buy a W2K For Dummies book.

I recommend you stop insulting people if you ever expect to be taken seriously.

> > Now THIS I don't believe. You're trying to tell me IE has NEVER, EVER
> > forced you to reboot due to a crash? That pure and utter rubbish.
> I'll swear on the Bible.

So? I still don't believe you.

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Porting data from Outlook to Mozilla...

[John Nelson]

All,
Microsoft provides no facilities to migrate my data (specifically
Contacts) out of Outlook into a format that Mozilla can read.
I did try exporting my Contacts as CSV files, however Mozilla
understands only a fixed format for this kind of data (i.e.
Mozilla does not read the CSV headers and place the data in the "right 
place").

So I'm stuck.  Does anyone here know of a plugin or utility that
can export Contacts lists in Microsoft Outlook to a format that
Mozilla understands (like vCard, LDIF)?

Also, it appears that Mozilla sets up individual addressbooks for
each user login.  I would really like to centralize these addresses
someplace on my machine (like /shared/Addresses) so that all users
can read the same set of addresses.

Yeah I know, I could use LDAP, but this requires a lot of setup
and a database to store the contacts.  I kindof wanted a more
lightweight solution.

Any ideas on getting all of my contact data and email addresses
out of Outlook and into a Linux/commmon format?

-- John

Re: More top-secret BS commits with hidden bug reports

[Clarence (Andreas M. Schneider)]

Rip Toren wrote:
> 
> The connection goes either to the outside world, or localhost. How about
> a security popup (and associated preference settings (allow, question,
> deny)) concerning connection to the local host (localhost,
> 127.0.0.1,myIP,etc). Then the user would be in some control when a page
> attempted to use the somewhat priveleged state of having the socketpeer
> being the local host.

The URI I mentioned does *not* use localhost. "localhost"
in the URI could be replaced with any arbitrary string and
most SMTP servers would be happy with it.

You can connect either to a mail server which is accepting
mail for the recipient, or to mail server which supports
relaying (e.g. your ISP's mail server). They can be anywhere
in the net. The former can easily be found for every mail
address via DNS.

If you have a local mail server you could use "localhost"
after the '@' too, but most users don't have one, so that
is probably not the main problem.

Clarence

Re: More top-secret BS commits with hidden bug reports

[Clarence (Andreas M. Schneider)]

Jay Garcia wrote:
> 
> I get "Sorry, access to the port number given has been disabled for
> security reasons"

That's the new behavior. Try with a build from a few days ago.

Clarence

Re: Mozilla Build 6-5 Mac OS X

[Dave Alverson]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I'm not entirely sure if this is the correct forum to post to, but I'm
> going to try. If I'm posting to the wrong forum, please let me know. 

The best place would be netscape.public.mozilla.macosx

> I'm attempting to get the 6-5 build of Mozilla for OS X to run. I've
> been completely unsuccessful in getting this build, or any other for
> that matter - to run. 
> 
> Once I start the app, I get the Mozilla splash screen, but that is
> immediately followed by a crash. Is there a method available to me to
> figure out what might be causing this crash? 
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas on what might be causing this crash? I've
> made to sure to delete any old Mozilla preferences, but apparently,
> it's not a preference issue? 

Are you sure you got the preferences in /Documents/Mozilla?  
One way to get info on crashes is to add CRASHREPORTER=-YES- to the 
/etc/hostconfig file (and reboot).

Dave

Re: NTLM Proxy Authentication

[R.K.Aa.]

See http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23679
As for whether v.1 is the target - not sure. See last comment in bug.

K.

Bryan Green wrote:

>   Does anyone know if Mozilla will be supporting Microsoft's 
> proprietary NTLM Proxy Authentication in the 1.0 release?  I know that 
> sound like a stupid question for an open source, standards based 
> application like Mozilla, but our organization has chosen the MS ISA server 
> using NTLM authentication for our internet access and I'd hate to see 
> Mozilla excluded from our office based on that.  Thanks.
> 
> 
> Bryan Green, CNE, MCSE, CCNA
> Network Engineer
> 

NTLM Proxy Authentication

[Bryan Green]

proprietary NTLM Proxy Authentication in the 1.0 release?  I know that 
sound like a stupid question for an open source, standards based 
application like Mozilla, but our organization has chosen the MS ISA server 
using NTLM authentication for our internet access and I'd hate to see 
Mozilla excluded from our office based on that.  Thanks.


Bryan Green, CNE, MCSE, CCNA
Network Engineer

Re: Something looks wrong...

[Niko Pavlicek]

David Hallowell wrote:

> Frank Wein wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> when I open Mozilla 0.9 the Skin looks very wrong and some menus are 
>> not displayed. Can it be that that is because of the German windows? 
>> Look at the Screenshot(23,8 KByte)  in the attachment.
> 
> 
> It's definitely nothing to do with running a German version of Windows. 
> As mentioned before creating a new profile may help.

but it could be an old german language pack for mozilla or netscape 6.0

Niko!
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Re: JS auf Mozilla

[Henri Sivonen]

In article 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steffi Wesarg) wrote:

> Folgendes JavaScript wird von Mozilla nicht umgesetzt.

document.layers and document.all are non-standards and are not supported 
in Mozilla. See: http://sites.netscape.net/ekrockhome/standards.html

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Re: JS auf Mozilla

[Gavin Long]

[English version below/Englische Version unter]

(traurig, spreche ich Deutsches nicht, so Übersetzung durch
babelfish.altavista.com),

> if (document.layers) {
>obj.visibility = "show";
> }
>
> if (document.all) {
>   obj.style.visibility = "visible";
> }

Dieses arbeitet nicht in Mozilla, verwenden etwas so anstatt:

document.getElementById("divID").style.visibility = "hidden";

Dieser Code sollte in IE5 auch arbeiten.

www.scottandrew.com hat einige Artikel auf diesem Thema (meistens auf
englisch, leider; einige spanische Übersetzungen werden zur Verfügung
gestellt),



(Sorry, I don't speak German, so translation by
babelfish.altavista.com)

> if (document.layers) {
>obj.visibility = "show";
> }
>
> if (document.all) {
>   obj.style.visibility = "visible";
> }

This won't work in Mozilla, use something like this instead :

document.getElementById("divID").style.visibility = "hidden";

This code should work in IE5 too.

www.scottandrew.com has several articles on this subject (Mostly in
english, unfortunately; some spanish translations are provided)

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Re: More top-secret BS commits with hidden bug reports

[Jay Garcia]

"Clarence (Andreas M. Schneider)" wrote:
> 
> Rip Toren wrote:
> >
> > OK
> >I am trying to get a grip on this.
> >
> > The spammer uses this magic URL in his browser. The browser connects to
> > 'host' at port 25, while expecting to implement an FTP login. The remote
> > server picks up the 'SMTP commands here' and the envokes sendmail to
> > send some spam?
> >
> > Is this possibly a configuration problem for the server or the sendmail.
> > I can see where the sendmail would simply see a local forwarding, but I
> > don't follow what the browser does to tie the two (it's input and
> > sendmail) together.
> >
> > Can you go into more detail about the significance of the LineFeed and
> > the SMTP commands?
> 
> I do not know details, but try this link:
> 
> 
>ftp://%0aHELO%20localhost%0aMAIL%20FROM%3a%3cnobody%40mozilla.org%3e%0aRCPT%20TO%3a%3cXXX%3e%0aDATA%0atest%0a.%0aQUIT@YYY:25
> 
> Replace XXX with your mail address (e.g. rptoren%40missi.ncsc.mil )
> and YYY with a host accepting mail for you (e.g. stingray.missi.ncsc.mil ).
> 
> BTW, what does IE with such a link?
> 
> Clarence

I get "Sorry, access to the port number given has been disabled for
security reasons"

-- 
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Novell MCNE-5/CNI

JS auf Mozilla

[Steffi Wesarg]

HALLO

Folgendes JavaScript wird von Mozilla nicht umgesetzt.
__

function show(text)  {
obj = eval(text);
if(document.layers){
 obj.visibility = "show";
}
if(document.all){
 obj.style.visibility = "visible";
}
}

function hide(text)  {
obj = eval(text);
if(document.layers){
 obj.visibility = "hide";
}
if(document.all){
 obj.style.visibility = "hidden";
}
}

Können Sie mir vielleicht sagen, wie ich das verändern muß, damit auch
Mozilla-User meine Seite vollständig anschauen können.
Meine Seite: http://www.mu.sachsen-anhalt.de/lau/luesa/
 

(In meinem Menü der Button "weiter": Bei onMouseOver klappt das Untermenü
auf, wenn das JS funktioniert.)

Vielen Dank
Steffi Wesarg

GKLAYOUT Page Fault at load problem

[Rip Toren]

Folks;
 Using the nightly from 0606 I attempted to change to a theme named
"Grey10" of something. The panels flickered and the I received a Page
Fault popup in GKLAYOUT. 

Now I receive it each time I try to load Mozilla. Since I deleted the
/bin tree and re unzipped the program, I assume that some config file
was update to the Grey10 value before the page fault. Where can I find
this data??? Where is the current theme recorded??



Rip Toren

Re: Mozilla (Netscape), AOL, and WinXP

[Orrin Edenfield]

If they want a Linux verion, then they would just about have to use 
Mozilla or Opera, I've never seen IE for Linux.


DeMoN_LaG wrote:

 I'd 
> love to see a linux version of AOL



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Re: More top-secret BS commits with hidden bug reports

[Rip Toren]

Comments below:

Adam James Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
> Rip Toren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >Ok;
> >  This is getting interesting. Now, the question is whether the browser
> >is the correct place to work this problem?
> 
> [snip]
> 
> >It seems to me it has just become more obscure. The real problem seems
> >to be the server on port 25 accepting the mail for forwarding.
> 
> No it's not - say the malicious web page recognises my ISP and sends back
> ftp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:25";> which tells
> my web browser to connect to my SMTP server. Because that is my ISP's SMTP

  My original thoughts were in the contect of a mal-user attacking
some other site using the browser. Then it was an relaying problem for
the sendmail daemon. But this approach (local browser connecting to
local sendmail) is a new kettle of fish. 

The recent growth in dynamic HTML (under whatever names) makes it all
the easier to tailor, at the webserver, the URLs being sent back. The
above scenario seems very likely.


> server, it's *supposed* to accept mail from my IP address.
> 
> >That input could come from a perl script, a telnet, or a custom program as
> >well as Mozilla. Maybe the connection should be blocked in Telnet as
> >well? Perl? where does it stop?
> 
> It definitely is a problem in the browser. FTP does not permit the LF
> character in a user name, so Mozilla should reject a URL which has %0A
> in the user-name part of the URL. Instead, Mozilla is passing the LF
> through to the server, followed by the rest of the bogus user name - which
> is interpreted in that example as a sequence of SMTP commands.

There are at least 2 modes of solution. The first is mentioned here,
with the browser being the ultimate knowledge of all possible protocols
and being able to recognize any mal-formed URLs using that protocol. But
until all of that knowledge can be codified, I have a different
suggestion. 

The connection goes either to the outside world, or localhost. How about
a security popup (and associated preference settings (allow, question,
deny)) concerning connection to the local host (localhost,
127.0.0.1,myIP,etc). Then the user would be in some control when a page
attempted to use the somewhat priveleged state of having the socketpeer
being the local host.

> 
> The AllowPort() change is big (from a quick look at bonsai[1], it seems
<>
> we'll get a better idea of what it's about.
> 
> [1] 
> --
> Adam Fitzpatrick

Transparency IFRAMES

[Gerhard Auner]

Hello everybody,

is there someone who can tell me to make a  iFrame transparency for
"Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; rv:0.9) Gecko/20010505"?

In IE5.5 this is possible with the  and the BODY which is shown whitin this IFRAME must have the
backgroundcolor: transparent.

How can I realize this for Mozilla?

Gerhard Auner

Table Code Wrong -- Please help

[Benjamin Sher]

Dear NetDeMON and friends:

Thank you so much for your suggestions. I have tried them, but still the
table shows up skewered. To add to the confusion, Opera 5 for Linux shows the
columns perfectly aligned at the top but with the distance between the first
column and the second column to be twice as great as that between the
second column and the third column. And, yet, Opera adheres stricly, like
Mozilla does, to the latest W3C standards.

Meanwhile, all is well in Netscape 4.x for Linux and in all browsers
(including Opera) in Windows. Don't know about Mac..

Since everything looks all right to you, I can understand that it may be
difficult for you to diagnose the problem Someone else from Debian sent
me a printscreen of my Index home page showing, as in your case, that the
columns were aligned perfectly, both horizontally and vertically.

Thank you so much for your kind help.

I will have to pursue this matter with someone on our LM 8.0 list who can
actually see the problem. I am glad, though, that most of my readers have
no problems with the site.

Thank you again,

Benjamin

Unable to control width of list box, button, etc in Navigator 4.08!!!

[sh2222]

Is there anyway to specify the width of a form element such as a list
box or button so that it's displayed properly in the Navigator? The
"style=width: Npx" attribute of the "INPUT" tag works fine in the
Explorer but not in the navigator (4.08). Any help would be
appreciated.

Chris