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Re: RealOne and Mozilla

2001-12-23 Thread JTK

Oh God, do NOT install that thing.  It wants to steal every godforsaken
file association the Real programmers have ever heard of for itself. 
Not unprecedented you ask?  Get this:  it runs a process in the
background (REALLY in the background, no tray icon or anything, must be
a service on Why2K/XP) so that when you change it to the way you want it
- THIS THING WILL STEAL THEM BACK.  AND IT GIVES YOU NO CHOICE, it just
tells you, I'm stealing 'em back, tough break sucker, no cancel
option, nothing.  I shit you not.

Does anybody know of some way to get away from the outrage that is the
RealPrivacyInvaderAndAssociationStealer Company?  Every damn video you
see is .rm, and the ones that aren't are Windows Media and are about
half the quality.  Are there *ANY* free or even pay RealMedia players
around that don't invade your privacy, steal your associations, etc etc
etc?

Shawn Neumann wrote:
 
 I read somewhere recently that Real was deciding between Opera and
 Mozilla for it's embedded browser on it's upcoming RealOne platform.
 Anyone heard anything on this?  I would be very interested to know how
 this one is going to pan out...
 
 Cheers,
 Shawn




Re: http large downloads not work w/IE, Netscape OK??

2001-12-23 Thread JTK

Al Franz wrote:
 
 Having problems with IE6 downloading large files 50megs if they are
 downloaded via HTTP.  Failed many times on me while Netscape downloads them
 fine.  For some reason IE downloads them and they come in twice as large as
 they should an obviously corrupted some way.  Has anyone else experienced
 this???

Not quite a Mozilla question, but no, I've never seen anything like
that, and I download all kinds of crazy (and way-too-big) crappola. 
What I do see quite often is both IE and Mozilla crapping out during
such a long download, especially over HTTP.  Neither development team
apparently has ever heard about the fact that Zmodem back in the
Paleozoic Era could recover interrupted downloads, and all semi-modern
FTP servers (don't know about HTTP) support resuming as well.  Guess
append is just too advanced a concept in this Visual Basic / Java /
dumb-it-down-seven-shades-to-tuesday world we live in.

So what I do now for excuciatingly long downloads is use a command-line
utility known as wget.  Never fails to get what I tell it to get.  Oh,
and it doens't pump stupid Punch the Monkey crap at me while doing so
either.




Re: Annoying news/mail reply indicators should be option

2001-12-23 Thread JTK

Seconded.

Luke wrote:
 
 One feature that bugs the hell out of me is the automatic conversion
 of 's in mail and news replies to vertical gray bars. This wreaks havoc
 in the Python newsgroup, for example, where some session code like this...
 
   spam = asdf
   1 + 2
 3
  
 
 looks more like this...
 
 ||| spam = asdf
 ||| 1 + 2
 3
 |||
 
 Except with really ugly gray vertical lines.  It's not just for this
 Python newsgroup, either.  I just don't like the bars period.  This
 really needs to be an option to turn off. If you can turn it off
 somewhere, I haven't found the option yet.
 
 Luke




Re: Screenshot of my imagination

2001-12-23 Thread JTK

Pratik wrote:
 
 On 12/21/01 02:32 PM, JTK wrote:
 
 
  Actually two - one with the points of interest circled, one unaltered so
  that interested DeMoNs can evaluate it for authenticity.
 
  A bit more info: It *appears* that Mozilla *may* have reloaded the page
  by itself after, say, a half hour or so, because right now I'm seeing a
  page with today's date.
 
 Thats because of
 
 meta http-equiv=refresh content=1800; URL=http://www.cnn.com/?;
 
 Tells mozilla to refresh after 1800sec=30mins.


Ok, so Mozilla doesn't check any of this on the first go, it just loads
it from the cache and that's it.  Sounds like about a 2 minute fix for
somebody who knows the code.
 
 Pratik.




Re: Old profiles

2001-12-23 Thread André Dahlqvist

David A. Cobb wrote:


 I don't really expect to ever need to go back to Netscape4, so I suppose 
 I can delete whatever files Mozilla is finding -- would someone tell me 
 what they are before I shoot my toes off?  Thanks.


Netscape 4.x stores files in ~/.netscape, so that is the directory you
are looking for.
-- 

André Dahlqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED]





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Re: http large downloads not work w/IE, Netscape OK??

2001-12-23 Thread DeMoN LaG

JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 23 Dec 2001: 

 Not quite a Mozilla question, but no, I've never seen anything like
 that, and I download all kinds of crazy (and way-too-big) crappola.
 What I do see quite often is both IE and Mozilla crapping out
 during such a long download, especially over HTTP.  Neither
 development team apparently has ever heard about the fact that
 Zmodem back in the Paleozoic Era could recover interrupted
 downloads, and all semi-modern FTP servers (don't know about HTTP)
 support resuming as well.  Guess append is just too advanced a
 concept in this Visual Basic / Java / 
 dumb-it-down-seven-shades-to-tuesday world we live in. 
 

A) It is well documented that IE has problems downloading large files.  
I seem to recall Netscape's own webpage at one point saying You may 
have to download an earlier version of Netscape, and then download 
Communicator 4.x, because IE would bomb before the whole thing was done

B) Mozilla is C/C++, JS, and XUL.  No VB or Java necessary

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Re: Style-sheets no longer working with 0.9.7

2001-12-23 Thread Sören Kuklau

Jonas Jørgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 Marcel de Groot wrote:
 Maybe the server is sending improper mime types?

  What should the MIME type be for style-sheets?
  They're now served as text/plain

 text/css for Cascading Style Sheets.

So there we have it. Since 0.9.7, the MIME type behaviour of Mozilla is
stricter. CSS with text/plain MIME type will be ignored.






Re: Sticky-notes demo - broken?

2001-12-23 Thread Radovan Brako

flacco wrote:

 
 
 The demo / test site here:
 
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xbl/test5/test.html
 
 says that I should be able to drag the sticky-notes around, but I'm 
 unable to do this.  Is the demo not working, or have I perhaps disabled 
 something it depends on?
 
Yes, it seems to have broken some time between 2001112208 and 2001112308

nightlies. I've filed a bug on Bugzilla, 116661.

   RB







Re: Fine-grained JavaScript control not in nightlies?

2001-12-23 Thread Jason Bassford

Preferences - Advanced-Scripts and Windows.  I see it in the
milestone
and I also saw it in my 12/14 trunk build...

   I don't see it here.

 whether or not my 12/14 build is trunk or 0.9.7 branch since I download 
 nightlies from the 'latest' folder...

   I also download from the nightly/lastest folder, and have never
seen a Scripts and Windows section of Advanced.

   Does it require that I blow away all data, including profile with
prefs.js, and start from scratch?

  Jason.




Re: Fine-grained JavaScript control not in nightlies?

2001-12-23 Thread Sören Kuklau

Jason Bassford [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 Preferences - Advanced-Scripts and Windows.  I see it in the
 milestone
 and I also saw it in my 12/14 trunk build...

I don't see it here.

I can't find it either.

  whether or not my 12/14 build is trunk or 0.9.7 branch since I download
  nightlies from the 'latest' folder...

I also download from the nightly/lastest folder, and have never
 seen a Scripts and Windows section of Advanced.

Ditto.

Does it require that I blow away all data, including profile with
 prefs.js, and start from scratch?

Hopefully not :-/






Re: Fine-grained JavaScript control not in nightlies?

2001-12-23 Thread Christian Biesinger

Jason Bassford wrote:

 Does it exist in the 0.9.7 branch only


That's correct.


I don't know why it isn't checked into the branch...

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All I want for Christmas is ????

2001-12-23 Thread Alan Hunter

a spell checer in Mozilla.





Re: Sticky-notes demo - broken?

2001-12-23 Thread flacco

 Yes, it seems to have broken some time between 2001112208 and 2001112308
 
 nightlies. I've filed a bug on Bugzilla, 116661.



Thanks





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Re: SegFault during install Moz 0.9.7

2001-12-23 Thread Joni K.

Greg wrote:

 Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from (NULL) pointer to `GtkObject'
 ./mozilla-installer: line 55: 31243 Segmentation fault
 ./mozilla-installer-bin --sync $@
 
 I get the above during install (well actually the installer has hardly
 started.)
 Anyone have anyideas? (I am on gtk 1.2.10) all other moz releases have
 installed OK

I don't know what would help, but this is perhaps the bug for it:
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116564

-- 
  Joni




Netscape uses All Memory and Processor - Help.

2001-12-23 Thread Pierre Bellavance

Netscape has started using all my computer's memory and processing
power, slowing the computer to a crawl.

When I start Netscape, within two minutes, it has taken all my
computer's RAM memory, and also all my computer's virtual memory,
which is a lot of Megabytes. The machine has 256MB RAM and about twice
this in virtual memory...

It also takes 100% of the processor, slowing everything to a crawl.

I've removed Netscape and will reinstall it.

Are there registry entries I should delete before reinstalling
Netscape?

Thanks

Pierre

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Re: Builds failing repeatedly

2001-12-23 Thread Gord McFee

Gord McFee wrote:
 
 Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
 
  (Note this was on Mac Platform, but, might work the same on PC's)
 
  Gord McFee wrote:
  
   I can't find a bug on this and it has me completely mystified.  I have
   used Mozilla builds since the milestone days and have never had an
   experience like this.
  
   Virtually every build since and including 0.9.6 has failed to install
   properly and the symptoms are always the same.
  
   - I download the installer and run it.
   - It seems to be fine until it ask me if I want to import one of my 4.79
   profiles.  I answer yes and it does the conversion.
   - When the Mozilla home page starts to load, it freezes with the
   progress meter at about half-way.  And I mean freezes solid.  I have to
   manually turn the computer off.  There is no error message of any kind.
  
   I have tried this creating a new profile.  When I do that, it loads OK
   the first time, but the second time I start Mozilla, it freezes solid,
   requiring the manual switch off.
  
   I have tested this with almost every build since 0.9.6; every one has
   exhibited this behavior.  I have run 4.79 and Netscape 6.1, 6.2 and
   6.2.1 with no problems.
  
   I have no clue as to what the problem could be.  I have installed no new
   software or hardware in the interval.
  
   The only strange thing is that when I uninstall, the Add/Delete programs
   dialogue shows 0.9.5+.
  
   Anyone have any ideas on what this could be?
  
   --
   Gord McFee
   [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   I'll write no line before its time
 
  --
  ---
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  616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:275-632-0868
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  ---
 
  If it's fixed, don't break it!
 
  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm
 
 
  I was having similar problems with Moz and N6 installs until just for a
  test I turned off Norton AntiVirus until after everything loaded the
  first time.
 
 Thanks.  I'll give it a try tomorrow.

I suppose I should report back on this.  The situation continues as
before and with the same symptoms.  I simply cannot get Mozilla to
work.  I have tried loading off-line the first time, but as soon as I
connect to the Internet and try to access any website, it repeats the
behavior previously described (progress bar freezes, power off
required).  This happens whether I import a profile or create a new one,
and whether I turn antivirus off or not.  It continues through 0.9.7. 
Each time I uninstall, I remove every reference to Mozilla on my hard
drive, but the problems recur with every new install.  This started with
0.9.6, and has persisted through every build since that time.

I don't even know how to file a bug on this, since it is such a massive
failure.  In any event, it has rendered Mozilla useless to me and I can
only hope that the next Netscape won't inherit whatever has messed up
Mozilla.


-- 
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time




Re: Herr Gilbert ist außer Haus.

2001-12-23 Thread Roland Felnhofer

Peter Lairo wrote:

 
 
 
 Subject:
 
 Re: Herr Gilbert ist außer Haus.
 From:
 
 Peter Lairo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date:
 
 Sat, 22 Dec 2001 22:48:19 +0100
 
 Newsgroups:
 
 netscape.public.mozilla.general
 
 
 Phillip (and anyone too curious to let it be), this is a standard I'm 
 out of my office reply mail.
 
 
 Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
 

 

 Subject:

 Re: Herr Gilbert ist außer Haus.
 From:

 Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date:

 Sat, 22 Dec 2001 16:18:05 -0500

 Newsgroups:

 netscape.public.mozilla.general


 Please repost in English.

 I only know this phrase because I know a person whoes wife is 
 originally Austrian.

 we do not Sphecken De Dusche. (I know the spelling is wrong). Supposed
 to be we do not speak german.

 Jon Gilbert wrote:

 Ich werde ab  21.12.2001 nicht im Büro sein. Ich kehre zurück am  
 07.01.2002.

 Sofern Sie an [EMAIL PROTECTED] geschrieben haben, wird Ihre Anfrage
 bearbeitet.


 
 

By the way - wouldn't that be a nice feature for Mozilla?
YES, YES, YES - I know an Out of office agent should run on the mail 
server itself and not at the client end. ;-)

I have my own mail server and I could do that (for the time being I 
haven't had time for it ;-))

But I think there are a lot of people out there who don't have their own 
server.

What do you think shell we start a new thread to discuss this?

Cheers
Roland





Re: Builds failing repeatedly

2001-12-23 Thread Dan Howard

Gord McFee wrote:


 Each time I uninstall, I remove every reference to Mozilla on my hard
 drive, but the problems recur with every new install.  


This is probably pretty basic, but did you completely delete both 
C:\program files\mozilla and C:\Windows\Application data\mozilla?  I 
tend to forget about the latter when tracking problems.

Also, did you try sweeping the registry (e.g., with RegClean)?





Re: All I want for Christmas is ????

2001-12-23 Thread Jay Garcia

Alan Hunter wrote:

 a spell checer in Mozilla.
 
 

Then write one.

-- 
Jay Garcia - Netscape Champion
Novell MCNE-5/CNI-Networking Technologies-OSI
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how to disable unwanted pop-up windows,etc

2001-12-23 Thread robert somerville

i gather there is a way to do it, but i have yet to find it.
can anybody give me a hint ?

pls. also reply to email address, thanks

robert somerville





Re: how to disable unwanted pop-up windows,etc

2001-12-23 Thread djg

edit--preferences, Advanced, Scripts  windows, uncheck: Open windows 
by themselves (ie, on page load/quit or by timer), and make windows flip 
over/under other windows


robert somerville wrote:

 i gather there is a way to do it, but i have yet to find it.
 can anybody give me a hint ?
 
 pls. also reply to email address, thanks
 
 robert somerville
 






Re: how to disable unwanted pop-up windows,etc

2001-12-23 Thread Arthur

I've got the following line in user.js, and it seems tot do the trick 
(you could also put it in youre prefs.js)

//stop popups
user_pref(dom.disable_open_during_load, true);

Hope it helps

On 23-12-2001 16:10, robert somerville made an attempt to write...


 i gather there is a way to do it, but i have yet to find it.
 can anybody give me a hint ?

 pls. also reply to email address, thanks

 robert somerville


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Private E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






Reporting/Finding Javascript issues

2001-12-23 Thread David Cordner

I've been using mozilla for 9 months now as my main browser on various 
Linux systems.  I'm very satisfied with it, EXCEPT for rendering a 
number of pages that use Javascript.  (For example, I can't get past 
Sun's license agreements to download a JDK.)

I've looked at the Mozilla.org web site and there are s many 
different areas for discussions of issues that I can't decide how to 
submit examples of pages that don't work or to follow Javascript related 
discussions.

Can someone point me to the right place(s) to discuss this?  I'd like to 
help point out supposed problems so the developers can determine if they 
are actual problems or poor page construction.

Thanks,

Dave





Re: Reporting/Finding Javascript issues

2001-12-23 Thread basic

if you don't mind irc you can go to irc.mozilla.org on #evangelism or 
#mozillazine and ask about it there or post messages here with URLs and 
mentioning specific issues. Either way it will ultimately end up in a 
bug report in bugzilla.mozilla.org

basic

David Cordner wrote:

 I've been using mozilla for 9 months now as my main browser on various 
 Linux systems.  I'm very satisfied with it, EXCEPT for rendering a 
 number of pages that use Javascript.  (For example, I can't get past 
 Sun's license agreements to download a JDK.)
 
 I've looked at the Mozilla.org web site and there are s many 
 different areas for discussions of issues that I can't decide how to 
 submit examples of pages that don't work or to follow Javascript related 
 discussions.
 
 Can someone point me to the right place(s) to discuss this?  I'd like to 
 help point out supposed problems so the developers can determine if they 
 are actual problems or poor page construction.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Dave
 






Re: how to disable unwanted pop-up windows,etc

2001-12-23 Thread Arthur

Do any of you know why I don't have Scripts  windows in 
edit--preferences, Advanced? (W2k, mozilla 2001122208)

On 23-12-2001 16:15, djg made an attempt to write...

 edit--preferences, Advanced, Scripts  windows, uncheck: Open windows 
 by themselves (ie, on page load/quit or by timer), and make windows 
 flip over/under other windows


-- 
Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,

Arthur Costerus

Private E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]






Re: how to disable unwanted pop-up windows,etc

2001-12-23 Thread WDA

Arthur wrote:

 Do any of you know why I don't have Scripts  windows in 
 edit--preferences, Advanced? (W2k, mozilla 2001122208)
 
 On 23-12-2001 16:15, djg made an attempt to write...
 
 edit--preferences, Advanced, Scripts  windows, uncheck: Open windows 
 by themselves (ie, on page load/quit or by timer), and make windows 
 flip over/under other windows

 

The attached image is what you should have.  I had a build Id: 121508 
and then installed Mozilla 0.9.7.  The javascript preferences where not 
in the 121508 version but were there in the 0.9.7.  I created a new 
profile to use with 0.9.7. to guarantee no problems with previous builds.


-- 
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Compaq Computer running Windows XP/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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inline: Image1.jpg

Re: Is it part of bug 55477

2001-12-23 Thread Matthew Thomas

Chris Lee wrote:
 
 I want the ability to set a referer for any page that I access by
 typing in a URL so that I can go directly to a page on one of those
 servers that only accept access to the page from a previous page on
 their site. this way I dont have to brows if I know where to go.
 
 Should I create a new RFE or add this to bug 55477, for that matter
 does any one else want this feature, should it be a feature?
...

You should create a new RFE. It's nothing to do with bug 55477.

 It might also be nice for bookmarks to store the header info used to
 get to a page so it is sent on returning so the site thinks you just
 left another page.

If the means of setting the referer was as some part of the address
(using some character which isn't allowed in URIs to prefix a
`referer=http://foo.bar/' section of the stored address), then this
wouldn't need any extra UI, which would be good.

-- 
Matthew `mpt' Thomas, Mozilla UI Design component default assignee thing
http://mozilla.org/





Re: XML not rendered

2001-12-23 Thread Matthew Thomas

DeMoN LaG wrote:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Thomas) wrote in
...
  Michael Gratton wrote:
...
   Splitting hairs: more *useful*, not more *correct*. How can you be
   correctly doing something that is undefined? 8)
...
  By doing what people want and expect, instead of what they don't
  want or expect.
...
 So because I want my boss to give me a $10/hr raise, and I work so
 hard I expect it, it is correct for him to give me a raise?  That
 logic doesn't pan out.

No, but only because your boss has better things he could be doing with
the $10. Mozilla, on the other hand, has nothing better it could be
doing with unstyled XML than showing it as an expandable tree.

 What people want or expect is irrelavent.
 What the rules say is what is important.  If the rules say nothing,
 nothing is correct or incorrect
...

Let me guess, you work for a government agency?

-- 
Matthew `mpt' Thomas, Mozilla UI Design component default assignee thing
http://mozilla.org/





Re: XML not rendered

2001-12-23 Thread Matthew Thomas

Michael Gratton wrote:
...
 Matthew Thomas wrote:
...
  By doing what people want and expect, instead of what they don't
  want or expect.
 
 Hmm, I don't know about you, but I don't want to see what MS thinks a
 plain XML file looks like,

Please lose your fixation with Microsoft. This is nothing to do with
what some company `thinks' a plain XML file looks like; it is everything
to do with what is most useful for users. Showing it as an expandable
tree would be a good idea, *for Mozilla*, no matter how Microsoft chose
to display it.

I'd prefer to see it as plain, orninary
 text, maybe w/ syntax highlighting.
...

That's exactly what View Source is for.

-- 
Matthew `mpt' Thomas, Mozilla UI Design component default assignee thing
http://mozilla.org/





Re: stopping this nasty Popup Alerts

2001-12-23 Thread Matthew Thomas

Frank wrote:
 
 dman84 wrote:
 
  Frank wrote:
...
   i hate it to click a Dialog Box ever and ever if i load a Page
   WHERE I ALREADY KNOW that they arent exists. How can i stop this
   Popup the connection was refused when attempting to contact
   ... ?
...
  see bug 28586
...
 Many Thanks. I found a Page where many other People are angry for that
 on www.mozilla.org. But i couldnt find any Solution, Fix. Can i not
 search or exists nothing helpfull for this Problem ?

Using a text editor, put this line in your prefs.js file:

user_pref(mozilla.has_bugs, false);

Make sure that you quit Mozilla before adding this line, otherwise it'll
get wiped from the prefs file when Mozilla exits.

-- 
Matthew `mpt' Thomas, Mozilla UI Design component default assignee thing
http://mozilla.org/





Re: Microsoft Q A

2001-12-23 Thread Matthew Thomas

DeMoN LaG wrote:
 
 Q.  Is Internet Explorer committed to implementing standard X in the
 future?
 
 A.  Microsoft is committed to implementing the Internet standards that
 make sense to allow our customers to build great solutions. As
 standards emerge, we evaluate them to see which standards might best
 serve our customers' needs.
 
 Anyone else find that funny?
...

That sounds perfectly sensible to me.

The alternative would be wasting time implementing stuff that their
customers *don't* want. In this case (though not in all cases) that
wouldn't make them any money, so there wouldn't be any point.

-- 
Matthew `mpt' Thomas, Mozilla UI Design component default assignee thing
http://mozilla.org/




Re: All I want for Christmas is ????

2001-12-23 Thread Bill Lee

Alan Hunter wrote:

 a spell checer in Mozilla.

Mozilla is not for 'end users' and won't  have these kinds of extras. 
 That's where Netscape comes in.
While you can ask for things like password protected profiles and 
right click on image and save as wallpaper, something like a 
spellchecker is out of the realm of this project (unless of course they 
run out of things to do.. haha)

(but you already knew that)

bl





Re: Microsoft Q A

2001-12-23 Thread Chuck Messenger

Matthew Thomas wrote:

 DeMoN LaG wrote:
 
Q.  Is Internet Explorer committed to implementing standard X in the
future?

A.  Microsoft is committed to implementing the Internet standards that
make sense to allow our customers to build great solutions. As
standards emerge, we evaluate them to see which standards might best
serve our customers' needs.

Anyone else find that funny?
...

 
 That sounds perfectly sensible to me.
 
 The alternative would be wasting time implementing stuff that their
 customers *don't* want. In this case (though not in all cases) that
 wouldn't make them any money, so there wouldn't be any point.



I think it's more like, they want to lock in their users with 
proprietary formats.  Supporting open standards works against that goal. 
  If there's such a groundswell that they're _forced_ to, only then will 
they support open standards.  Even then, they'll try to corrupt the open 
standards, with proprietary extensions.


- Chuck





Re: All I want for Christmas is ????

2001-12-23 Thread Chuck Messenger

Bill Lee wrote:

 Alan Hunter wrote:
 
 a spell checer in Mozilla.

 Mozilla is not for 'end users' and won't  have these kinds of extras. 
 That's where Netscape comes in.
 While you can ask for things like password protected profiles and 
 right click on image and save as wallpaper, something like a 
 spellchecker is out of the realm of this project (unless of course they 
 run out of things to do.. haha)
 
 (but you already knew that)

Actually, very active work is being done on a Moz spell checker.  See 
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56301


 - Chuck





Re: Changes rushed in by Netscape

2001-12-23 Thread Ben Bucksch

Peter Trudelle wrote:

 Ben Bucksch wrote:

 As you can see in this very thread 
 news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], this kind of 
 ignorant behaviour is encouraged by their manager.

No personal attacks.

I'm sorry, if I insulted you personally.





Re: how to disable unwanted pop-up windows,etc

2001-12-23 Thread Sören Kuklau

It's - don't ask me why - in the 0.9.7 branch, but not in the trunk.

Arthur [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 Do any of you know why I don't have Scripts  windows in
 edit--preferences, Advanced? (W2k, mozilla 2001122208)

 On 23-12-2001 16:15, djg made an attempt to write...

  edit--preferences, Advanced, Scripts  windows, uncheck: Open windows
  by themselves (ie, on page load/quit or by timer), and make windows
  flip over/under other windows
 

 --
 Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,

 Arthur Costerus

 Private E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]








Re: Changes rushed in by Netscape

2001-12-23 Thread Ben Bucksch

Peter Trudelle wrote:

 Ben Bucksch wrote:

 IMO, the Mozilla community is the highest authority for Mozilla code. 

 That would be anarchy and chaos, which is why mozilla.org has the 
 module owner system.

We also have Presidents or similar in most countries. However, they are 
supposed to do what the majority of the people what (if it's not against 
minorites). They merely *represent* the people.

Module owners are there to streamline the system and to have somebody 
being responsible. This does not mean that they can do what they want.

 And I assure you that mozilla.org staff lost credits in the view on 
 many contributors when approving the favicon checkin. 

 nearly all decisions on this project are guaranteed to displease some 
 people; that is unavoidable.

Note the difference between some and many.





Re: stopping this nasty Popup Alerts

2001-12-23 Thread Frank

Matthew Thomas wrote:

 Frank wrote:
 
dman84 wrote:

Frank wrote:

...

i hate it to click a Dialog Box ever and ever if i load a Page
WHERE I ALREADY KNOW that they arent exists. How can i stop this
Popup the connection was refused when attempting to contact
... ?

...

see bug 28586

...
Many Thanks. I found a Page where many other People are angry for that
on www.mozilla.org. But i couldnt find any Solution, Fix. Can i not
search or exists nothing helpfull for this Problem ?

 
 Using a text editor, put this line in your prefs.js file:
 
 user_pref(mozilla.has_bugs, false);
 
 Make sure that you quit Mozilla before adding this line, otherwise it'll
 get wiped from the prefs file when Mozilla exits.
 
 

Cool.Is that your Style to say this Bug exists since Mozilla exists 
and will fixed when its fixed ? No Shame say this better directly its 
not my Soft ...





Re: Netscape uses All Memory and Processor - Help.

2001-12-23 Thread coue

Just curious, but which Netscape are you talking about ?



Pierre Bellavance wrote:

 Netscape has started using all my computer's memory and processing
 power, slowing the computer to a crawl.

 When I start Netscape, within two minutes, it has taken all my
 computer's RAM memory, and also all my computer's virtual memory,
 which is a lot of Megabytes. The machine has 256MB RAM and about twice
 this in virtual memory...

 It also takes 100% of the processor, slowing everything to a crawl.

 I've removed Netscape and will reinstall it.

 Are there registry entries I should delete before reinstalling
 Netscape?

 Thanks

 Pierre

 Spam Protection: Please remove REMOVETHIS from my email address in the Email To 
window of your program
 if you want me to receive an e-mail version of your answer. Thanks.





Re: how to disable unwanted pop-up windows,etc

2001-12-23 Thread Gregory Spath

In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Arthur ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I've got the following line in user.js, and it seems tot do the trick 
(you could also put it in youre prefs.js)

//stop popups
user_pref(dom.disable_open_during_load, true);


In 0.9.7 release there is now a GUI config option under advanced for this.
The one labelled open windows by themselves does exactly what is written
above.


-- Greg

-- 
   Gregory Spath irc://freefall.homeip.net/mtb
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]aim screenname = fr33f411




Re: http large downloads not work w/IE, Netscape OK??

2001-12-23 Thread Chuck Simmons

JTK wrote:
 
 Al Franz wrote:
 
  Having problems with IE6 downloading large files 50megs if they are
  downloaded via HTTP.  Failed many times on me while Netscape downloads them
  fine.  For some reason IE downloads them and they come in twice as large as
  they should an obviously corrupted some way.  Has anyone else experienced
  this???
 
 Not quite a Mozilla question, but no, I've never seen anything like
 that, and I download all kinds of crazy (and way-too-big) crappola.
 What I do see quite often is both IE and Mozilla crapping out during
 such a long download, especially over HTTP.  Neither development team
 apparently has ever heard about the fact that Zmodem back in the
 Paleozoic Era could recover interrupted downloads, and all semi-modern
 FTP servers (don't know about HTTP) support resuming as well.  Guess
 append is just too advanced a concept in this Visual Basic / Java /
 dumb-it-down-seven-shades-to-tuesday world we live in.
 
 So what I do now for excuciatingly long downloads is use a command-line
 utility known as wget.  Never fails to get what I tell it to get.  Oh,
 and it doens't pump stupid Punch the Monkey crap at me while doing so
 either.

In the Walt Disney classic Bambi, do you happen to recall the advice
that Thumper was given by his father? Rather good advice I think.

Chuck
-- 
... The times have been, 
 That, when the brains were out, 
  the man would die. ... Macbeth 
   Chuck Simmons  [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: All I want for Christmas is ????

2001-12-23 Thread Jonas Jørgensen

Alan Hunter wrote:

 a spell checer in Mozilla.


http://www.mozilla.org.uk/docs/spell-checker-faq.html

-- 
/Jonas





Re: how to disable unwanted pop-up windows,etc

2001-12-23 Thread JLP

Arthur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in news:3C25FD83.50005
@planet.nospam.nl:

 Do any of you know why I don't have Scripts  windows in 
 edit--preferences, Advanced? (W2k, mozilla 2001122208)
 
 On 23-12-2001 16:15, djg made an attempt to write...
 
 edit--preferences, Advanced, Scripts  windows, uncheck: Open windows 
 by themselves (ie, on page load/quit or by timer), and make windows 
 flip over/under other windows

 

It was removed from latest nightlies. I guess there were some problems with 
it. Possibly some focus stealing bugs.

-- 
Live long and prosper!




Re: All I want for Christmas is ????

2001-12-23 Thread Lucas MacBride

Chuck Messenger wrote:

 Bill Lee wrote:
 
 Alan Hunter wrote:

 a spell checer in Mozilla.

 Mozilla is not for 'end users' and won't  have these kinds of extras. 
 That's where Netscape comes in.
 While you can ask for things like password protected profiles and 
 right click on image and save as wallpaper, something like a 
 spellchecker is out of the realm of this project (unless of course 
 they run out of things to do.. haha)

 (but you already knew that)
 
 
 Actually, very active work is being done on a Moz spell checker.  See 
 http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56301
 
 
 - Chuck
 

interesting...what about the unofficial Moz spell check FAQ:
http://www.mozilla.org.uk/docs/spell-checker-faq.html





Re: RealOne and Mozilla

2001-12-23 Thread Mircea Romantan

JTK wrote:

 
 
 
 Subject:
 
 Re: RealOne and Mozilla
 From:
 
 JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date:
 
 Sun, 23 Dec 2001 04:08:31 -0600
 
 Newsgroups:
 
 netscape.public.mozilla.general
 
 
 Oh God, do NOT install that thing.  It wants to steal every godforsaken
 file association the Real programmers have ever heard of for itself. 
 Not unprecedented you ask?  Get this:  it runs a process in the
 background (REALLY in the background, no tray icon or anything, must be
 a service on Why2K/XP) so that when you change it to the way you want it
 - THIS THING WILL STEAL THEM BACK.  AND IT GIVES YOU NO CHOICE, it just
 tells you, I'm stealing 'em back, tough break sucker, no cancel
 option, nothing.  I shit you not.
 
 Does anybody know of some way to get away from the outrage that is the
 RealPrivacyInvaderAndAssociationStealer Company?  Every damn video you
 see is .rm, and the ones that aren't are Windows Media and are about
 half the quality.  Are there *ANY* free or even pay RealMedia players
 around that don't invade your privacy, steal your associations, etc etc
 etc?
 
 Shawn Neumann wrote:
 
I read somewhere recently that Real was deciding between Opera and
Mozilla for it's embedded browser on it's upcoming RealOne platform.
Anyone heard anything on this?  I would be very interested to know how
this one is going to pan out...

Cheers,
Shawn


I just installed the RealOne player( the free one, of course) , and 
after  I unselected a thousand(!!!) checkboxes (the file assocs), 
eveything is fine. Mp3 is still played by Winamp.
Supposing user installation fault to be the problem. :D
What's the background's process name  :)) I don't see anything 
suspicious.Using Win2K.


 No motto 








Re: Builds failing repeatedly

2001-12-23 Thread Gord McFee

Dan Howard wrote:
 
 Gord McFee wrote:
 
  Each time I uninstall, I remove every reference to Mozilla on my hard
  drive, but the problems recur with every new install.
 
 This is probably pretty basic, but did you completely delete both
 C:\program files\mozilla and C:\Windows\Application data\mozilla?  I
 tend to forget about the latter when tracking problems.

Yes, I deleted both.  I even defragged the hard drive.  In fact, I
deleted every reference to Mozilla.
 
 Also, did you try sweeping the registry (e.g., with RegClean)?

I checked the registry and got a few hits, but they were mainly in the
My Computer area and shouldn't affect a fresh install.

-- 
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time




Re: Annoying news/mail reply indicators should be option

2001-12-23 Thread Luke

Hmmm... that seems to have solved the problem when I hit reply (I don't 
see them as I type this), but I still get the gray bars occasionaly when 
browsing messages that are replies (e.g. in the view window, not a reply 
window).  The application of the graphical quote bars seems sporadic and 
buggy at best--sometimes it applies them, other times not.


 One feature that bugs the hell out of me is the automatic conversion 
 of 's in mail and news replies to vertical gray bars. This wreaks 
 havoc in the Python newsgroup, for example, where some session code 
 like this...

   spam = asdf
   1 + 2
 3
  

 looks more like this...

 ||| spam = asdf
 ||| 1 + 2
 3
 |||

 Except with really ugly gray vertical lines.  It's not just for this 
 Python newsgroup, either.  I just don't like the bars period.  This 
 really needs to be an option to turn off. If you can turn it off 
 somewhere, I haven't found the option yet.

 Luke

 
 Close Mozilla and add (or change) the following lines in your prefs.js 
 file using a plain text editor (like Notepad):
 
 user_pref(mail.quoted_graphical, false);
 user_pref(mail.quoteasblock, false);
 
 [z]
 





Strange rendering

2001-12-23 Thread Luke

I don't know if this is a microsoft-stretching-html-standards problem or 
a Mozilla problem, but visit www.rushlimbaugh.com (whether you like him 
or not) and look at the bottom left of the page.  There is a menu (don't 
know if it is javascript or what) that should be at the very upper left, 
but it is rendered at the very bottom.  It appears correctly in MSIE. 
I'm using 0.9.7 and it was also a problem on 0.9.6.  If this is not the 
correct place to report bugs of this sort, give me an address.

Luke





Re: RealOne and Mozilla

2001-12-23 Thread Shawn Neumann

Regardless of the quality of the app (hey, I don't even use it!), Real 
is a big media player and I would be very interested to see what route 
the go for their embedded browser on Linux.

This type of implementation is what Mozilla has been pitching for the 
past couple of years and I'm interested to see how much the rest of the 
industry sees it as being the best and most viable option...

Shawn

JTK wrote:

 Oh God, do NOT install that thing.  It wants to steal every godforsaken
 file association the Real programmers have ever heard of for itself. 
 Not unprecedented you ask?  Get this:  it runs a process in the
 background (REALLY in the background, no tray icon or anything, must be
 a service on Why2K/XP) so that when you change it to the way you want it
 - THIS THING WILL STEAL THEM BACK.  AND IT GIVES YOU NO CHOICE, it just
 tells you, I'm stealing 'em back, tough break sucker, no cancel
 option, nothing.  I shit you not.
 
 Does anybody know of some way to get away from the outrage that is the
 RealPrivacyInvaderAndAssociationStealer Company?  Every damn video you
 see is .rm, and the ones that aren't are Windows Media and are about
 half the quality.  Are there *ANY* free or even pay RealMedia players
 around that don't invade your privacy, steal your associations, etc etc
 etc?
 
 Shawn Neumann wrote:
 
I read somewhere recently that Real was deciding between Opera and
Mozilla for it's embedded browser on it's upcoming RealOne platform.
Anyone heard anything on this?  I would be very interested to know how
this one is going to pan out...

Cheers,
Shawn






Re: Netscape uses All Memory and Processor - Help.

2001-12-23 Thread Giuseppe Verde

 Version 4.77 or 4.78, I don't remember, and I've removed it.

Hello, Pierre.

Mozilla and Netscape 6 are discussed here, not older versions of
   Netscape [e.g. the 4.7x line].

Besides, the most recent version of Netscape 4.7x is 4.79. ;)





Re: Strange rendering

2001-12-23 Thread Travis Crump

Luke wrote:

 I don't know if this is a microsoft-stretching-html-standards problem 
 or a Mozilla problem, but visit www.rushlimbaugh.com (whether you like 
 him or not) and look at the bottom left of the page.  There is a menu 
 (don't know if it is javascript or what) that should be at the very 
 upper left, but it is rendered at the very bottom.  It appears 
 correctly in MS IE. I'm using 0.9.7 and it was also a problem on 
 0.9.6.  If this is not the correct place to report bugs of this sort, 
 give me an address.

 Luke

Looking at the source, they use some strange hack of using layers for IE 
and divs for netscape/Mozilla which sort of begs the question of why not 
just use divs for all browsers since all browsers support them if they 
think the divs work...





Re: 0.9.7: fast, but seems buggy

2001-12-23 Thread David W. Fenton

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Minko Markov) wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

The problem that you quoted, namely logging at
britishairways.com, is not an ssl issue. How come
I could log with 0.9.5? Try it, even with empty
ID and pass. The browser just does not react to
clicking the arrow (proceed) button.

Well, I had precisely this problem with Hotmail -- I'd type in the
login in and the LOG IN button wouldn't do anything -- no error
message, no nothin'. 

Mozilla 0.9.3 had worked fine, because, apparently, I'd installed
the security manager. When I re-installed and included the security
manager, it then worked. 

If you have the security manager installed and it still doesn't
work, then obviously, that's not the problem. 

-- 
David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot nethttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc




Re: http large downloads not work w/IE, Netscape OK??

2001-12-23 Thread JTK

DeMoN LaG wrote:
 
 JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 23 Dec 2001:
 
  Not quite a Mozilla question, but no, I've never seen anything like
  that, and I download all kinds of crazy (and way-too-big) crappola.
  What I do see quite often is both IE and Mozilla crapping out
  during such a long download, especially over HTTP.  Neither
  development team apparently has ever heard about the fact that
  Zmodem back in the Paleozoic Era could recover interrupted
  downloads, and all semi-modern FTP servers (don't know about HTTP)
  support resuming as well.  Guess append is just too advanced a
  concept in this Visual Basic / Java /
  dumb-it-down-seven-shades-to-tuesday world we live in.
 
 
 A) It is well documented that IE has problems downloading large files.
 I seem to recall Netscape's own webpage at one point saying You may
 have to download an earlier version of Netscape, and then download
 Communicator 4.x, because IE would bomb before the whole thing was done
 

Huh, never heard that one.  But I did just read this when downloading
4.79:

Smart Update may not work properly on Windows 2000 and Windows XP when
upgrading from Communicator 4.78. We recommend that you use the base
install or complete install instead of Smart Update. The base and
complete installs are available at
ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/communicator/english/4.79/windows/windows95_or_nt/.;
-
http://home.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/4.7/relnotes/windows-4.79.html?cp=dowrel

Well you can't really blame 'em I suppose.  It must be pretty hard to
pump all those ads at you while simultaneously attempting to do
something halfway worthwhile.

Oh, and does anybody else find it odd that AOL is *still* maintaining
the 4.7x series, all these years after Netscape 6.0 was released?  Hmmm,
I wonder if they know something many here won't admit?

 B) Mozilla is C/C++, JS, and XUL.  No VB or Java necessary
 

I was commenting on the sorry state of development in general.  Kids
today, etc.




Mozilla now recommended for FastMail.FM

2001-12-23 Thread Jeremy Howard

Just a quick note to let you all know that for the first time we are now
recommending that our users consider using Mozilla with the FastMail.FM
webmail/IMAP service--good work! See the recommendation here:
  http://www.emailaddresses.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=1687

Note that bug 27002 is still a major issue for us, because all users have to
edit the default configuration to avoid uninformative 'permission denied'
errors:
  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27002







Re: how to disable unwanted pop-up windows,etc

2001-12-23 Thread The Real Bev

djg wrote:
 
 edit--preferences, Advanced, Scripts  windows, uncheck: Open windows
 by themselves (ie, on page load/quit or by timer), and make windows flip
 over/under other windows

No such animal in .9.6 for linux.  Pity.

 robert somerville wrote:
 
  i gather there is a way to do it, but i have yet to find it.
  can anybody give me a hint ?
 
  pls. also reply to email address, thanks
 
  robert somerville

-- 
Cheers,
Bev
++
Of course SoCal has four seasons:  
Earthquake, Mudslide, Brushfire, and Riot




Re: Print Preview

2001-12-23 Thread Øyvind Berg

Bert Garcia wrote:


 Same thing here, locked up tight, cache gone.

See it here too, both milestone and latest nightly. Running w2k

-- 
MVH / Greets, Øyvind Berg ~ ËlaC|n
[ [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
  [icq#:123433   ||  ElaCin@EFNet  ]





Re: Style-sheets no longer working with 0.9.7

2001-12-23 Thread Markus Brueckner

Sören Kuklau wrote:

 So there we have it. Since 0.9.7, the MIME type behaviour of Mozilla is
 stricter. CSS with text/plain MIME type will be ignored.

Not really. Only if you use HTML 4.0 STRICT. Else all will work even 
without text/css (according to the release notes).

Also it shouldn't work with the relative paths either.  I assume that'S 
not the source of his problems.

Markus





Re: Builds failing repeatedly

2001-12-23 Thread Hasse

Gord McFee [EMAIL PROTECTED] said...
 Dan Howard wrote:
  This is probably pretty basic, but did you completely delete both
  C:\program files\mozilla and C:\Windows\Application data\mozilla?  I
  tend to forget about the latter when tracking problems.
 
 Yes, I deleted both.  I even defragged the hard drive.  In fact, I
 deleted every reference to Mozilla.

I hope you don't mind me asking but did you also delete the files 
mozregistry.dat and mozver.dat in your Windows directory?

-- 
Hasse




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Re: RealOne and Mozilla

2001-12-23 Thread Albert

JTK wrote:

Oh God, do NOT install that thing.  It wants to steal every godforsaken
file association the Real programmers have ever heard of for itself. 
Not unprecedented you ask?  Get this:  it runs a process in the
background (REALLY in the background, no tray icon or anything, must be
a service on Why2K/XP) so that when you change it to the way you want it
- THIS THING WILL STEAL THEM BACK.  AND IT GIVES YOU NO CHOICE, it just
tells you, I'm stealing 'em back, tough break sucker, no cancel
option, nothing.  I shit you not.

Does anybody know of some way to get away from the outrage that is the
RealPrivacyInvaderAndAssociationStealer Company?  Every damn video you
see is .rm, and the ones that aren't are Windows Media and are about
half the quality.  Are there *ANY* free or even pay RealMedia players
around that don't invade your privacy, steal your associations, etc etc
etc?

Shawn Neumann wrote:

I read somewhere recently that Real was deciding between Opera and
Mozilla for it's embedded browser on it's upcoming RealOne platform.
Anyone heard anything on this?  I would be very interested to know how
this one is going to pan out...

Cheers,
Shawn

RealOne is a very neat app.  It's a good take on a media player as far 
as I'm concerned, and I would love to see where it goes in the future.

Right now they are using the IE Embedded engine (might change, RealOne 
is still beta).

Preferences: ToolsPreferences...
Select Media Types on the left side.  Uncheck anything you don't want it 
to take over.  The only difference here and in WMP is that WMP groups 
together the files it can work with; RealOne makes them all individual 
entries (meaning WMP says MPEG Video and RealOne goes by each 
individual extension MPG MPEG etc.).

That hidden process really is hidden.  But ZA Pro found it under this 
name: RealNetworks Dynamic App Launcher.  Now, I believe to disable it 
you go to ConnectionInternet SettingsOnly perform automatic services 
when RealOne is in use.  I don't know if this is it, but I think it is. 
 Consider it the old tray icon of RP8 made harder to find.

Aside from those things I think RealOne really is a neat little player. 
 And it does actually install a plugin into Netscape/Moz, but I haven't 
checked to see if it works.

-- 
Albert

We must have a better word than 'prefabricated'. Why not 'ready-made'?
--Winston Churchill

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Re: http large downloads not work w/IE, Netscape OK??

2001-12-23 Thread Chuck Simmons

JTK wrote:
 
 DeMoN LaG wrote:
 
  JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 23 Dec 2001:
 
   Not quite a Mozilla question, but no, I've never seen anything like
   that, and I download all kinds of crazy (and way-too-big) crappola.
   What I do see quite often is both IE and Mozilla crapping out
   during such a long download, especially over HTTP.  Neither
   development team apparently has ever heard about the fact that
   Zmodem back in the Paleozoic Era could recover interrupted
   downloads, and all semi-modern FTP servers (don't know about HTTP)
   support resuming as well.  Guess append is just too advanced a
   concept in this Visual Basic / Java /
   dumb-it-down-seven-shades-to-tuesday world we live in.
  
 
  A) It is well documented that IE has problems downloading large files.
  I seem to recall Netscape's own webpage at one point saying You may
  have to download an earlier version of Netscape, and then download
  Communicator 4.x, because IE would bomb before the whole thing was done
 
 
 Huh, never heard that one.  But I did just read this when downloading
 4.79:
 
 Smart Update may not work properly on Windows 2000 and Windows XP when
 upgrading from Communicator 4.78. We recommend that you use the base
 install or complete install instead of Smart Update. The base and
 complete installs are available at
 ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/communicator/english/4.79/windows/windows95_or_nt/.;
 -
 http://home.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/4.7/relnotes/windows-4.79.html?cp=dowrel
 
 Well you can't really blame 'em I suppose.  It must be pretty hard to
 pump all those ads at you while simultaneously attempting to do
 something halfway worthwhile.
 
 Oh, and does anybody else find it odd that AOL is *still* maintaining
 the 4.7x series, all these years after Netscape 6.0 was released?  Hmmm,
 I wonder if they know something many here won't admit?

Not at all. AOL is not maintaining the 4.xx series if you get down to
brass tacks. I know who is and why but that is a different rat hole and
you are definitely fond of rat holes. I will tidy the rug over it.

  B) Mozilla is C/C++, JS, and XUL.  No VB or Java necessary
 
 
 I was commenting on the sorry state of development in general.  Kids
 today, etc.

I think you are being a little silly with this. People use tools that
target their product space. VB is perfectly fine if your users are
purely Windows users. In the real world, it is necessary to use a range
of tools and young software engineers are as prepared for that as I am
and I have been messing with this stuff for 30 years. Heck, I was
introduced to high level languages with FORTH and FORTRAN (at the same
time - talk about confusion). The young people I meet can deal with the
tools. You should handle my phone calls. My code is open to customers
and they read the garbage. Moreover, they ask darned good questions
about it. They understand it line by line even though it is in an
obscure assembly language and I have never been accused of commenting
too much (I rarely comment except when I am pissed at the chip
designers). The customers look like teenagers to me. They understand my
code as well as I do. The place where they have trouble is the physics
of what my code does.

I'm a motion control engineer. I give the young software engineers my
patented 5 minute tutorial on Newtons Laws and they are up to speed.

Don't push this garbage about the young engineers being ill trained. It
is the same today as it was 40 years ago when I did my first gig. Ya
learn what you can in school and ya keep on learning if you want to
survive.

The kids know all of this and I haven't the slightest problem working
with the young engineers.

Chuck

Chuck
-- 
... The times have been, 
 That, when the brains were out, 
  the man would die. ... Macbeth 
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Re: Mozilla now recommended for FastMail.FM

2001-12-23 Thread Jonas Jørgensen

Jeremy Howard wrote:

 Just a quick note to let you all know that for the first time we are now
 recommending that our users consider using Mozilla with the FastMail.FM
 webmail/IMAP service--good work! See the recommendation here:
   http://www.emailaddresses.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=1687


Oh no! You didn't recommend Mozilla to end users, did you? Now we'll 
having all these people asking for technical support in the Mozilla 
newsgroups! :-(

-- 
/Jonas





Re: http large downloads not work w/IE, Netscape OK??

2001-12-23 Thread Albert

JTK wrote:

Al Franz wrote:

Having problems with IE6 downloading large files 50megs if they are
downloaded via HTTP.  Failed many times on me while Netscape downloads them
fine.  For some reason IE downloads them and they come in twice as large as
they should an obviously corrupted some way.  Has anyone else experienced
this???


Not quite a Mozilla question, but no, I've never seen anything like
that, and I download all kinds of crazy (and way-too-big) crappola. 
What I do see quite often is both IE and Mozilla crapping out during
such a long download, especially over HTTP.  Neither development team
apparently has ever heard about the fact that Zmodem back in the
Paleozoic Era could recover interrupted downloads, and all semi-modern
FTP servers (don't know about HTTP) support resuming as well.  Guess
append is just too advanced a concept in this Visual Basic / Java /
dumb-it-down-seven-shades-to-tuesday world we live in.

So what I do now for excuciatingly long downloads is use a command-line
utility known as wget.  Never fails to get what I tell it to get.  Oh,
and it doens't pump stupid Punch the Monkey crap at me while doing so
either.

GetRight.  Now it doesn't use ads because their ad provider died =]

-- 
Albert

We must have a better word than 'prefabricated'. Why not 'ready-made'?
--Winston Churchill

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Re: Old profiles

2001-12-23 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.

Since i can't tell if your using PC/ Unix / or Mac. I'll post the Mac location.

Hard Drive (whatever named)  System Folder  Preferences Folder 
Netscape Users Folder. 

If your absolutely sure you will never ever go back then move Netscape
User folder to Trash and empty.

along with Netscape Registry file and / or Netscape Registr~ File.

However once you do you do this you have burned you bridges as far as
your Bookmarks, addressbook, and any Mail you have saved in the Profile folder.

David A. Cobb wrote:
 
 Everytime I install the Nightly, the ProfileManager finds three or four
 old Netscape4 profiles as well as my own active Mozilla profile.
 
 And everytime it allows me to delete this profile from the list of the
 displayed profiles.
 
 I don't really expect to ever need to go back to Netscape4, so I suppose
 I can delete whatever files Mozilla is finding -- would someone tell me
 what they are before I shoot my toes off?  Thanks.
 
 BETTER, Mozilla should save the list of the displayed profiles, then
 the ones I've already deleted should *stay* deleted.  Bug?  Worth filing?
 
 Thanks
 --
 David A. Cobb, Software Engineer, Public Access Advocate.
 New PGP key 09/13/2001:
 :http://wwwkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=superbiskit
 Fingerprint=0x{E7C6_4EE2_6B75_5BA3_C52E__77FA_63C3_9366_DCFB_229B}
 By God's Grace I am a Christian man, by my actions a great sinner.
 --The Way of a Pilgrim, R. M. French [tr.]
 Potentially Viral Software is any software for which you are not allowed
 to examine the source.  Do not buy or use Potentially Viral Software!

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Re: Mozilla logo

2001-12-23 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.


Peter Lairo wrote:
--snip

 Phillip,
 
 EVERYBODY knew what you meant. Morton was just (unsuccessfully) trying
 to be funny.
 
 BTW, why do you insist on *not cropping* your replies, especially when
 you are responding to such a trivial matter?
 
 The word density comes to mind - don't know why ;)
 
 PS. Why are you using Netscape 7.79 when Mozilla is now stable enough to
 use?
 
 --
 
 Regards,
 
 Peter Lairo

sorry abou that.
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Re: Reporting/Finding Javascript issues

2001-12-23 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

I use 0.9.6 buildid 2001112012 and I went to http://java.sun.com and he 
prompted me to download the java plugin. That done he will show the java 
applet loading in that page and I goto download the SDK, Standard 
Edition 1.3.1_02 , agree to his terms, hit the http button and she goes. 
What happens when you do that?

I would like to upgrade with the sea tarball. How do you do that?

Regards. Hugo Vanwoerkom

David Cordner wrote:

 I've been using mozilla for 9 months now as my main browser on various 
 Linux systems.  I'm very satisfied with it, EXCEPT for rendering a 
 number of pages that use Javascript.  (For example, I can't get past 
 Sun's license agreements to download a JDK.)
 
 I've looked at the Mozilla.org web site and there are s many 
 different areas for discussions of issues that I can't decide how to 
 submit examples of pages that don't work or to follow Javascript related 
 discussions.
 
 Can someone point me to the right place(s) to discuss this?  I'd like to 
 help point out supposed problems so the developers can determine if they 
 are actual problems or poor page construction.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Dave
 






Display issue in Templates (Mozilla 0.9.7)

2001-12-23 Thread Yeh You-Ying

Hello,

I found this issue on both Netscape 6.2 (not6.2.1) and Mozilla (0.9.7).
Please visit the pics I took as following URL
(1)
http://www.photome.com.tw/album1/youying/2491133/big/na.jpg
(2)
http://www.photome.com.tw/album1/youying/2491133/big/nb.jpg

In (1), we see the template of Weekly Report of You-Ying.
The Bcc: one is diplayed in Chinese word. It's correct.
But while double click it and the Compose window pops up as (2).
Now The Bcc: showes strange codes.

It seems a bug.
Thanks




Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly

2001-12-23 Thread Yeh You-Ying

Hello,

I put the screenshots of IR and Mozilla 0.9.7 while visiting the same website.

(1) IE
http://www.photome.com.tw/album1/youying/2491133/big/nc.jpg
(2) Mozilla/Netscape
http://www.photome.com.tw/album1/youying/2491133/big/nd.jpg

Please note the red words in the middle of pics.
Any one knows what I mean 




Re: RealOne and Mozilla

2001-12-23 Thread jesus X

JTK wrote:
 Yep, I eventually was able to find where to do that too.  That process
 is still lurking in the shadows though.
 I don't know what the process's name is yet, I'm still working on that
 one.

CTRL-ALT-DELETE and find the process, shut it down, or use a taskmanager program
and select it there. Then check the following registry keys for anything
Real(lyAnnoying) related:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices

And check the startup folder, and the LOAD= line in your win.ini file. It's this
very behaviour that forced me away from Real altogether. If it's a Real file,
I'll try to DL it and play with WindowsMedia or convert it, or usually I'll just
not view it. It's pretty sad when a company gets more abusive and annoying than
MS.




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Re: how to disable unwanted pop-up windows,etc

2001-12-23 Thread meniscus

The Real Bev wrote:

 
 
 
 Subject:
 
 Re: how to disable unwanted pop-up windows,etc
 From:
 
 The Real Bev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date:
 
 Sun, 23 Dec 2001 14:17:30 -0800
 
 Newsgroups:
 
 
netscape.public.mozilla.builds,netscape.public.mozilla.general,netscape.public.mozilla.unix
 
 
 djg wrote:
 
edit--preferences, Advanced, Scripts  windows, uncheck: Open windows
by themselves (ie, on page load/quit or by timer), and make windows flip
over/under other windows

 
 No such animal in .9.6 for linux.  Pity.


Nor is it 0.9.7 Windows...


-meniscus
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=





Re: Netscape uses All Memory and Processor - Help.

2001-12-23 Thread coue

You may try downloading 4.79 and try it instead.
It might solve the problem.

--

Pierre Bellavance wrote:

 Netscape has started using all my computer's memory and processing
 power, slowing the computer to a crawl.

 When I start Netscape, within two minutes, it has taken all my
 computer's RAM memory, and also all my computer's virtual memory,
 which is a lot of Megabytes. The machine has 256MB RAM and about twice
 this in virtual memory...

 It also takes 100% of the processor, slowing everything to a crawl.

 I've removed Netscape and will reinstall it.

 Are there registry entries I should delete before reinstalling
 Netscape?

 Thanks

 Pierre

 Spam Protection: Please remove REMOVETHIS from my email address in the Email To 
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 if you want me to receive an e-mail version of your answer. Thanks.





Re: http large downloads not work w/IE, Netscape OK??

2001-12-23 Thread DeMoN LaG

JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 23 Dec 2001: 
 
 Oh, and does anybody else find it odd that AOL is *still*
 maintaining the 4.7x series, all these years after Netscape 6.0 was
 released?  Hmmm, I wonder if they know something many here won't
 admit? 

It hasn't been years since 6.0 was released.  Any good company should 
provide security and major bug fixes for all their products, even if 
there are newer ones available. 

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Re: Mozilla/Netscape Showes this Website Incorrectly

2001-12-23 Thread DeMoN LaG

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yeh You-Ying) wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 23 Dec 2001: 

 Hello,
 
 I put the screenshots of IR and Mozilla 0.9.7 while visiting the
 same website. 
 
 (1) IE
 http://www.photome.com.tw/album1/youying/2491133/big/nc.jpg
 (2) Mozilla/Netscape
 http://www.photome.com.tw/album1/youying/2491133/big/nd.jpg
 
 Please note the red words in the middle of pics.
 Any one knows what I mean 
 

Well, after validating the page (or attempting to) using HTML 4.01 
strict, transitional, XHTML 1.0 strict, etc, even HTML 3.2.  I get:
Sorry, this document does not validate as HTML version.
Maybe that's a start to the problem

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Re: 0.9.7: fast, but seems buggy

2001-12-23 Thread Minko Markov

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David W. Fenton) writes:


 Mozilla 0.9.3 had worked fine, because, apparently, I'd installed
 the security manager. When I re-installed and included the security
 manager, it then worked. 

It is not so apparent to me that this is the reason.
Maybe, maybe not, but the lack of error message like
you must have the security manager installed before
proceeding suggests the reason is something else,
most likely a bug.  I quoted an https URL that works
with 0.9.7 == most likely, 0.9.7 can work with
encrypted connection.

How can one check whether this security manager is
installed? I mean, it is pointless arguing about
that here, if one can check that in a second.

--
MM




Tabbed Browsing problem

2001-12-23 Thread Neville Cobb

After setting up the Tabbed browsing feature for TAB on middle mouse 
button for URLs on the page and the middle mouse button for bookmarks - 
the middle mouse button works fine for URLs on the page but will not 
open a TAB when I select a book mark using the middle mouse button.

Nev





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