date:20020314


 Um, this isn't like the US is saying Ok, Italy you can't have this 
 software.  Look at the countries that are banned.  Geez

Oh, it's OK, it's only Libya, and everyone knows all Libyans are evil?

I strongly disagree with this attitude. You should not discriminate 
against an individual based on what country they are from.

Gerv

Re: AOL sez goodbye to IE (yes, IE)

2002-03-14 Thread Werner Purrer


On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:50:39 GMT, Netscape Basher
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Story is based on a rumor site that is very pro-Linux.
None of the major tech news sites is reporting this. If it had been a 
total legit story, CNET and ZDNET among others would eat this up.

LOL CNET and ZDNET serious tech news sites, as PC magazine is a
serious tech news magazine, what world are we living in  :-).

Re: scroll -- possible bug?

2002-03-14 Thread as


Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 Jerry Park wrote:
  Mozilla responds to a wheel mouse as expected. However, using a touchpad 
   with virtual scrolling, there is no response in mozilla, though all 
  other programs seem to respond well. Is this a known problem?
 
 Sort of. Touchpad drivers like that are a bit of a hack - they look for 
 native scrollbars and manipulate them. As Mozilla doesn't have native 
 scrollbars, it doesn't respond.
 
 That's how I understand it, anyway.
 
 Gerv

But Netscape 6.2.1 works perfectly well with touchpad's virtual scrolling.

Re: AOL sez goodbye to IE (yes, IE)

2002-03-14 Thread Werner Purrer


On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 06:11:53 -0800, dman84 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:good. 

I also agree with that.. I've seem them really mess up new 
product/technologies and code-name announcements and have real bad miss 
understanding and it shows.. The journalist dont know squat about the PC 
technologies..  yet they write articles on them, and 9 times out 10 they 
end up screwing up telling poor users inacurate info.. which is why you 
have to rely on many tech-sites to be in the know..

Those self proclaimed professional tech news sites and magazines,
usually are the greatest pile of dung of earth, unbiased reviews
against a bigger advertiser, no way, in depth knowlede of the
technology no way, in depth knowledge about professional issues no
way. Giving the reader serious reliable info, no way.
I´d rather trust /. with their obious bias for Linux than any of those
ZDNET, CNET or Winmag or whatever.

latest Mozilla release

2002-03-14 Thread kang



I just downloaded the latest release and noticed that it doesn't work.
Has anyone else noticed this ?
On windows 95b it crashes at the logo screen, but Mozilla 09.8
doesn't.
Just wondering if people notice these things ?




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Re: Test

2002-03-14 Thread Howard M. Stark


Im on secnews.netscape.com
Howie

Karthik Sheka wrote:

 Just a test to see if the system is working. I havn't seen a new note 
 for fpour days now.

 Howie

 Same here.  Which server are you connecting to?  I'm on 
 secnews.netscape.com.  Maybe I should change servers?

Re: [Mozilla0.9.9] Forward as Inline not perfect as the one of Mozilla 0.9.8+ (2002031008)


Peter Lairo wrote:
 Yeh You-Ying wrote:
 
 I found that attach as inline is not perfect as Mozilla 0.9.8+
 (2002031008). 
 
 When I click FORWARD (inline), the entire mail is blank, except to the 
 subject line
 (no attachment, no body text). :(
 
 using build 2002-03-11, winNT

WFM now too with build 2002-03-13, winNT :) :-P

-- 

Regards,

Peter Lairo

Re: Considering Mozilla upgrade from Netscape

2002-03-14 Thread Bundy


Brian Heinrich typed:
 Christian Biesinger wrote:
 
 Bundy wrote:
 [java under windows]

 1 file under windows? Name it.



 NPOJI610.DLL

 
 And you've found that file just using the JRE?  I tried on several 
 occasions, with several JREs, and was only ever to find it using the 
 J2SDK 1.4.0, much to my annoyance.  If you can confirm this for me, I'll 
 have a look at the JRE again.  (And Bundy's right, if memory serves:  NS 
 6.2.1 /doesn't/ require that particular .dll to be copied; Moz does.)
 
 — Brian
 
 Netscape 6.2.1 requires zero file transfers to get Java working.



 That's because it's installed using the installer. Note that the XPI 
 file for installing Java has also always worked when I tried, though 
 the latest try was some months ago - I decided to use newer JREs since 
 then.

 You've got to know exactly what files in what directory and transfer 
 to them to the current directory under Mozilla.



 s/current/plugin/

 We won't discuss the other plug-ins. To Mozilla's defense, it's not 
 meant to be an easy to use end user product.



 Are you saying it's Mozilla's fault if the plugin's installation 
 program doesn't install correctly in Mozilla?

 Note that Mozilla _is_ meant to be an easy to use product.

 
 
 

Someone brought up a point, why doesn't Mozilla simply put the latest 
version of the java file in the plugin directory during installation?

But then I thought, there are different versions of Java out there, so 
one file may not cover all. You got 1.3.1 for American users, 1.3.1 for 
International users, 1.4 is out etc. etc., you get the point

--
Kyle

Re: Mozilla 0.9.9 Drudge Report

2002-03-14 Thread Bundy


Brian Heinrich typed:
 Bundy wrote:
 
 Karl typed:

 Mozilla 0.9.9  doesn't display www.drudgereport.com correctly. One of
 the most popular Web sites.

 Karl



 Bug that deals with the horizontal line hr within a table tag with 
 height attrabutes. The tag is W3C (like they matter) complaint 
 although the site isn't, like most site.

 -- 
 Kyle

 
 Um, Kyle, lemme ask you this:  Can you imagine trying to design a web 
 site if all there were were proprietary tags?  The W3C matters.  A lot. 

Not to a lot of webmasters. What matters is if the page looks good on MS 
Explorer while using Front Page to compose it. Heck,  mozilla.org isn't 
totally compliant. Why waste time (which is money) trying to get your 
website to work for a small minority of web surfers? Drudge could very 
easily fix the site by getting rid of the height tag on those two tables 
that don't load right and make no sense to the outlook of his page. But 
then again, since they are compliant, why should he?


So do standards.  Think of all the [insert favourite denigrating term 
 here] who're still using NN 4.x and wondering why pages don't display 
 correctly, c.  And, slowly, there seem to be more and more sites that 
 use valid mark-up, which seems to me to be a good thing.
 
 — Brian

Re: scroll -- possible bug?


 But Netscape 6.2.1 works perfectly well with touchpad's virtual scrolling.

Again, this is only dimly remembered, but I _think_ they implemented a 
hack to have an invisible native scrollbar for the driver to recognise.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] is the man to ask about these things.

Gerv

Re: Forwarding emails with full headers as attachments


Sarch wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I was wondering if anybody knows how one can forward an email, including all
 its headers? I use Mozilla 0.9.9.

1. Edit / Preferences / Mail  News / Msg Composition / Forward: Inline

2. View / Headers / All

3. Receive SPAM - hit Forward

It think Forward broke in 0.9.9, but it is working again with the 
latest nightlies ;)

PS: I use SpamCop too (http://spamcop.net/) ;)

-- 

Regards,

Peter Lairo

Re: Getting Close


Lee Dillion wrote:
 I have been downloading nightlies for quite some time just to see the
 progress.  Once mozilla gets spellcheck 

http://spellchecker.mozdev.org/installation.html

and a google toolbar

add bookmark for: http://www.google.com/search?q=%s
add keyword google

Now in URL bar just type: google your-search-term

 (two tools that
 are a must for my needs), I'll be making mozilla my default browser and mail
 client.

Your welcome :)

-- 

Regards,

Peter Lairo

Re: U.S. Export Reestrictions


Gervase Markham wrote:
 Um, this isn't like the US is saying Ok, Italy you can't have this 
 software.  Look at the countries that are banned.  Geez
 
 Oh, it's OK, it's only Libya, and everyone knows all Libyans are evil?
 
 I strongly disagree with this attitude. You should not discriminate 
 against an individual based on what country they are from.

If a person lives in a country that threatens the peace of other 
countries, then that person either should leave that country or live 
with the consequences of staying there.

There must be a healthy and dynamic balance between general protection 
of the population (restrictive laws) and individual rights (lack of 
restrictive laws). Neither extreme is good. ;)
-- 

Regards,

Peter Lairo

Re: latest Mozilla release

2002-03-14 Thread Till


kang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...


 I just downloaded the latest release and noticed that it doesn't work.
 Has anyone else noticed this ?
 On windows 95b it crashes at the logo screen, but Mozilla 09.8
 doesn't.
 Just wondering if people notice these things ?

Are you running Av software, Nortons perhaps?  Turn off auto protect and try
again.  I had the same problem!

Cheers Till

JavaScript Problem

2002-03-14 Thread Robert Pruitt


I cannot get this small script to run with Mozilla --

***
  script language=Javascript
var exit=true;
 function xit()
 {
   if (exit)
 
window.open('http://primeinc.net/golf.htm','asjdfh','toolbar=0,menubar=0,scrollbars=no,status=0,resizable=no,top=50,left=100,height=482,width=550');
}

/SCRIPT
***

The JavaScript console returns this message --

Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... Component returned failure 
code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIDOMJSWindow.open]  nsresult: 
0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)  location: JS frame :: 
http://primeinc.net/seminar.htm :: xit :: line 11  data: no]


This script attempts to open a new window upon exit fo the previous window.

Can I do this under Mozilla?

Thanks,

Re: Getting Close

2002-03-14 Thread Gilles Durys


On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:12:14 +0100, Parish wrote:

 Travis Crump wrote:
 As I understand it, spellcheck is scheduled to land several days after
 the 1.0 branch is cut.  What do you mean by 'google toolbar',
 
 I think he means http://toolbar.google.com/ which is for IE only
I'd say it is talked about this googlebar : http://googlebar.mozdev.org/ 
-- 
Gilles

Re: Getting Close


Lee Dillion wrote:
 Once mozilla gets [...] a google toolbar

http://googlebar.mozdev.org

-- 
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
  -- Benjamin Franklin

Re: Considering Mozilla upgrade from Netscape


Bundy wrote:
 Someone brought up a point, why doesn't Mozilla simply put the latest 
 version of the java file in the plugin directory during installation?

Well, this might be due to licensing issues...

And, of course, Mozilla is not meant for end users. It's a vendor's job 
to package plugins with the produc.t

-- 
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
  -- Benjamin Franklin

Re: U.S. Export Reestrictions

2002-03-14 Thread Pascal Chevrel



Peter Lairo a dit :
 Gervase Markham wrote:
 
 Um, this isn't like the US is saying Ok, Italy you can't have this 
 software.  Look at the countries that are banned.  Geez


 Oh, it's OK, it's only Libya, and everyone knows all Libyans are evil?

 I strongly disagree with this attitude. You should not discriminate 
 against an individual based on what country they are from.
 
 
 If a person lives in a country that threatens the peace of other 
 countries, then that person either should leave that country or live 
 with the consequences of staying there.
 
 There must be a healthy and dynamic balance between general protection 
 of the population (restrictive laws) and individual rights (lack of 
 restrictive laws). Neither extreme is good. ;)

May I remind you that many democratic countries do not agree with the 
USA about this list of enemies ? Moreover, I do not see why a free, 
international and open source project should be ruled by any American 
commercial export law.

Pascal

Problem with Netscape mail

2002-03-14 Thread Henry W. Miller


Hi, All,

I'm trying to help out a friend with his mail problems.  What
happened, as far as I can piece together, is that a younger
member of the household installed some kiddie software on the
system that caused problems in general with the system, an
HP Pavilion running Win98.  My friend just went through and
deleted the offending programs.

Then, he was unable to login either to AOL or ATT.  After
poking around the system for a bit, I found that most of the
subdirectories under C:\Program Files\ had been moved to
another directory.  That was easy enough to fix, and AOL
mail works just find.

Now, however, we still cannot get his ATT mail working.
He was using some form of Netscape, but I cannont seem to
find out where his email directories and configuration ended
up, so that they can be restored.

If anyone has any input, it's be greatly appreciated.

Best,

-HWM

Re: latest Mozilla release

2002-03-14 Thread Thomas


hahaha funny post

kang wrote:

 
 I just downloaded the latest release and noticed that it doesn't work.
 Has anyone else noticed this ?
 On windows 95b it crashes at the logo screen, but Mozilla 09.8
 doesn't.
 Just wondering if people notice these things ?
 
 
 
 
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Re: Java plugin not installing for Mozilla


Bamm Gabriana wrote:
 Each build should include the latest 
 version of this file as of the time the build was released.

And increase the download by 10-15 MB?
No thanks.



-- 
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
  -- Benjamin Franklin

Re: Considering Mozilla upgrade from Netscape


Bundy wrote:
 Fault and fact don't always equal. The fact is, installing plug-ins for 
 Mozilla takes a little bit of work.

Well. Mozilla can't do anything against it.

 Note that Mozilla _is_ meant to be an easy to use product.
[...]
 Mozilla is not meant to be an end-user product

I didn't say that it is.

 In order to get Java working properly you need to transfer several files.
 
  From Holger's site.
 
 30. Installing Java:
 Install the Sun Java Plugin . Then add the following line to user.js:
 user_pref(plugin.do_JRE_Plugin_Scan, true);

Yeah, sure, you can do this instead of the copying, if you prefer.

 If adding this line doesn't work, then you have to copy the java plugin 
 files manually:
[copy these files:]
 NPJava*.dll

These files are not necessary; though they don't do any harm either.

 NPOJI600.dll

Hm, he should update his site; this file is called NPOJI610.DLL in newer 
versions.

-- 
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
  -- Benjamin Franklin

Re: Considering Mozilla upgrade from Netscape


Brian Heinrich wrote:
 Christian Biesinger wrote:
[java plugin for windows]
 NPOJI610.DLL

 
 And you've found that file just using the JRE?

$ ls /mnt/c/Programme/JavaSoft/jre/1.4/bin/NPOJI*
/mnt/c/Programme/JavaSoft/jre/1.4/bin/NPOJI610.dll

As you can clearly see, this is a JRE, version 1.4.
(/mnt/c is my windows C: drive; I currently am in Linux)

   I tried on several
 occasions, with several JREs, and was only ever to find it using the 
 J2SDK 1.4.0, much to my annoyance. 

Every JRE I've downloaded did contain the mentioned DLL.

 (And Bundy's right, if memory serves:  NS 
 6.2.1 /doesn't/ require that particular .dll to be copied; Moz does.)

Well, this may be true; I don't really use NS myself.
My guess is that Netscape did set the setting that Bundy mentioned
(user_pref(plugin.do_JRE_Plugin_Scan, true);) in their browser, so the 
plugin needs not be copied.


-- 
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
  -- Benjamin Franklin

Re: Question about plugins

2002-03-14 Thread Pratik


On 03/13/2002 04:08 PM, Christian Biesinger wrote:
 Pratik wrote:
 
I don't understand the path for Unix. Shouldn't it be in the *profile* 
directory and not the user.
 
 
 IIRC, this wasn't done so because it was far too much effort for too 
 little gain.

Okay. I can live with user plugins directory. Much better than having 
just one global plugins directory.

Now what we need is ability to install xpis in user directories. So taht 
I can install stuff like Mozgest and not have it disapper when I extract 
a new nightly.

Pratik.

Print Dialog

2002-03-14 Thread Tim Ashman


Hey anyone else notice the Mail/News Print Dialog box is now broken in 
version .99.  It is now behind my toolbar again.  It was fine in .98

Thanks.

Re: U.S. Export Reestrictions

2002-03-14 Thread Michael H. Warfield


On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 02:45:07PM +0100, Pascal Chevrel wrote:

 Peter Lairo a dit :
 Gervase Markham wrote:
 
 Um, this isn't like the US is saying Ok, Italy you can't have this 
 software.  Look at the countries that are banned.  Geez
 
 
 Oh, it's OK, it's only Libya, and everyone knows all Libyans are evil?
 
 I strongly disagree with this attitude. You should not discriminate 
 against an individual based on what country they are from.
 
 
 If a person lives in a country that threatens the peace of other 
 countries, then that person either should leave that country or live 
 with the consequences of staying there.
 
 There must be a healthy and dynamic balance between general protection 
 of the population (restrictive laws) and individual rights (lack of 
 restrictive laws). Neither extreme is good. ;)

 May I remind you that many democratic countries do not agree with the 
 USA about this list of enemies ? Moreover, I do not see why a free, 
 international and open source project should be ruled by any American 
 commercial export law.

Well, it would help if some of you would read the regulations
(I have).  Those regulations have rather explicit exemptions for
open source projects, the binaries that are based on them, and the
sites which host them.  Specifically, and explicitly, sites which
host cryptography in source form or based on freely available sources,
are exempt from the safe harbor (aka cover your ass announcements
and due diligence practices) and know your customer (identification
and tracking) requirements.  In other words, you as a site operator,
do NOT have to take any measures to restrict who can download from your
site or even recognize or know where the downloads are going to.  The
only requirements on the ORIGINAL sites hosting cryptography is to
send a message to the BXA notifying them that the site is hosting
cryptography.  Nothing more.  You don't even have to tell them what
cryptography or provide them with copies (unlike the commercial stuff
which has much stricter regulations).  Mirror sites are even exempt
from the notification requirements.  The notice on the Mozilla site
is NOT required in any way shape or form in the regulations.  Some
lawyers have recommended these notices as sort of a cover your ass
action but they are not part of the regulations themselves.  If it
WERE commercial or encumbered software or if the sources were not
available, then it would be a different matter.  That may be why
some lawyers are recommending some of these announcements even
though they are not required.

While the regulations in total are pretty thick, the sections
which apply to open source software are reasonably readable.  I'll
posted pointers to the appropriate chapter and vers on the government
site later (I don't have the at my finger tips at the moment).

 Pascal

Mike
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Re: Problem with Netscape mail


Henry W. Miller wrote:
 snip - a bunch of COMPLETE offtopic requests for free tech support 

wrong newsgroup
wrong topic
too much bla bla text

bye bye ... :(

-- 

Regards,

Peter Lairo

Re: New Skin for 1.0

2002-03-14 Thread Patrick Gallagher


Lancer wrote:

 Patrick Gallagher wrote:

 or Grey Modern - very nice skin

 hopefully themes will become more abundant once the API freeze 
 happens at 1.0

 Patrick


 More abundant?! ...Oh no please! Have you seen that thing which name 
 is WOOD, his author dare to call that a Mozilla Theme...

 And no... I hope that no happen, I am full with all the trash 
 generated by Winamp 2.x

who in their right mind would install skins they don't like?

appearance is a matter of personal preference, and the more skins we 
have, the more likely there will be one that everyone likes. being 
overburdened by too many skins means, most likely, you're a proactive 
downloader that's too lazy to remove the things you didn't like.

Patrick

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Re: U.S. Export Reestrictions


Peter Lairo wrote:

 Oh, it's OK, it's only Libya, and everyone knows all Libyans are evil?
 
 I strongly disagree with this attitude. You should not discriminate 
 against an individual based on what country they are from.
 
 If a person lives in a country that threatens the peace of other 
 countries, then that person either should leave that country or live 
 with the consequences of staying there.

1) That is not always an option. Some countries does not allow citizens 
to leave the country and will shoot you for trying.

2) Just because your country is ruled by an evil dictator, you might 
still love your country and not want to leave it.

3) Who is the US government to define which countries threatens the 
peace of other countries anyway? I think the families of the over 1,000 
innocent civilians killed recently in Afghanistan by US bombs would 
consider the United States of America a country which threatens the 
peace of etc., etc.

/Jonas

Re: 'save as' instead of displaying image


Phil Sweeney wrote:
 http://board.performanceforums.com/forums/attachment.php?postid=96929
 
 You get a save as dialog, but it should just show the image (as it does 
 in IE, Netscape 4.x and older Mozilla builds).

Sorry, I broke that.

 It's been doing the save as thing for a few weeks now I believe.

Erm. No. The checkin for bug 41333 broke it, and that was on March 8th.

 Anyone know the bug # for this?

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130564

It has a patch which only awaits approval from [EMAIL PROTECTED]




-- 
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
  -- Benjamin Franklin

Re: New Skin for 1.0

2002-03-14 Thread Nigel L


Patrick Gallagher wrote:

 Lancer wrote:

 Patrick Gallagher wrote:

 or Grey Modern - very nice skin

 hopefully themes will become more abundant once the API freeze 
 happens at 1.0

 Patrick



 More abundant?! ...Oh no please! Have you seen that thing which name 
 is WOOD, his author dare to call that a Mozilla Theme...

 And no... I hope that no happen, I am full with all the trash 
 generated by Winamp 2.x

 who in their right mind would install skins they don't like?

 appearance is a matter of personal preference, and the more skins we 
 have, the more likely there will be one that everyone likes. being 
 overburdened by too many skins means, most likely, you're a proactive 
 downloader that's too lazy to remove the things you didn't like.

 Patrick

Yeah, I go to www.deviantart.com when I need a small program and will 
select one based on the number of skins that are listed for it.  Skins 
matter to me!   Rgds,   Nigel L

Re: U.S. Export Reestrictions


Peter Lairo wrote:

 I rather be subject to the restrictions of a democratically elected body 
 than to the anarchy of the internet community running wild

Democratically elected? The US government? Don't make me laugh.

/Jonas

Re: 'save as' instead of displaying image

2002-03-14 Thread Tim Wunder


Phil Sweeney wrote:
 I'm guessing there's a bug on this already but I can't find it in 
 Bugzilla (as usual :) ..
 
 If you go to this URL in Mozilla:
 
 http://board.performanceforums.com/forums/attachment.php?postid=96929
 
 You get a save as dialog, but it should just show the image (as it does 
 in IE, Netscape 4.x and older Mozilla builds).
 
 It's been doing the save as thing for a few weeks now I believe.
 
 Anyone know the bug # for this?
 
 Phil
 

Works For Me, build #2002030803, Win2K SP1

Re: Refresh all tabs at once?


Ed S wrote:

 Is there a key combination available to refresh all tabs at once?

Not AFAIK, but you can rightclick a tab and say Reload All Tabs.

/Jonas

Re: 'save as' instead of displaying image

2002-03-14 Thread Tim Wunder


Christian Biesinger wrote:
snip
 It's been doing the save as thing for a few weeks now I believe.
 
 
 Erm. No. The checkin for bug 41333 broke it, and that was on March 8th.
 

Guess that's why it works on my March 8th nightly :-)

Re: Automatically start JRE on startup???

2002-03-14 Thread grayrest


Karthik Sheka wrote:
 Hi.
I'm starting my wife on Mozilla for the first time (I've been using 
 it since around M16).  I would like it so that whenever the program is 
 started the JRE is also loaded.  The main sites she use all use Java to 
 some degree, and it's easier for her to start the JRE at the same time.
 
 Is there some line I can place in her user.js/prefs.js to automatically 
 start the JRE on startup?
 
 BTW, changing her homepage to a site that uses Java is not an option. :-)
 

I can start the JRE manually by doing TasksToolsJava Console, the 
command is toJavaConsole(). Perhaps you could add toJavaConsole() on 
one line of your prefs.js (It IS a javascript file, right?) and it would 
work? if not, then you'll have to get the XPCOM interface then call it, 
or I could be completely wrong.

grayrest

Re: JavaScript Problem

2002-03-14 Thread grayrest


Robert Pruitt wrote:
 I cannot get this small script to run with Mozilla --
 
 ***
  script language=Javascript
 var exit=true;
 function xit()
 {
   if (exit)
 
 
window.open('http://primeinc.net/golf.htm','asjdfh','toolbar=0,menubar=0,scrollbars=no,status=0,resizable=no,top=50,left=100,height=482,width=550');
 
 
 }
 
 /SCRIPT
 ***
 
 The JavaScript console returns this message --
 
 Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... Component returned failure 
 code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIDOMJSWindow.open]  nsresult: 
 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)  location: JS frame :: 
 http://primeinc.net/seminar.htm :: xit :: line 11  data: no]
 
 
 This script attempts to open a new window upon exit fo the previous window.
 
 Can I do this under Mozilla?
 
 Thanks,
 

It might be the flags, I don't know if those are available to scripts 
running in a web page, but I would first try changing the new window 
name to _blank to create it in a new window.

grayrest

tabbed browsing bug?? haha

2002-03-14 Thread murb:


can't have more that 36 tabs in my moz 0.9.9 (under w2k!!!) well, i can 
have more, but then my 'maximized' browser window gets bigger than my 
screen!

littel scrolling arrow should appear i think...

 who wants to have more than 36 browser windows open? mmm...

yep... bit stupid idea... but anyhow... it's just not the way it should 
be solved... and compared to that... i'm not running the lowest res( 
1152x864) so imagine if you have like 640x480... mmm...

welll...

g.,

maarten

Re: Considering Mozilla upgrade from Netscape


Christian Biesinger wrote:
 Brian Heinrich wrote:
 
 Christian Biesinger wrote:
 
 [java plugin for windows]
 
 NPOJI610.DLL


 And you've found that file just using the JRE?
 
 
 $ ls /mnt/c/Programme/JavaSoft/jre/1.4/bin/NPOJI*
 /mnt/c/Programme/JavaSoft/jre/1.4/bin/NPOJI610.dll
 
 As you can clearly see, this is a JRE, version 1.4.
 (/mnt/c is my windows C: drive; I currently am in Linux)
 
I tried on several
 
 occasions, with several JREs, and was only ever to find it using the 
 J2SDK 1.4.0, much to my annoyance. 
 
 
 Every JRE I've downloaded did contain the mentioned DLL.
 
 (And Bundy's right, if memory serves:  NS 6.2.1 /doesn't/ require that 
 particular .dll to be copied; Moz does.)
 
 
 Well, this may be true; I don't really use NS myself.
 My guess is that Netscape did set the setting that Bundy mentioned
 (user_pref(plugin.do_JRE_Plugin_Scan, true);) in their browser, so the 
 plugin needs not be copied.
 
 

I guess I need to make public apologies.  Uninstalled all Java from my 
system, downloaded and installed the JRE ( . . . again . . . ), and, 
sure enough, the .dll was there.  Only thing is . . . is /wasn't/ there 
when I tried this two or three weeks ago; no idea why.  Only difference 
I can see is that it's now in C:\Program Files\Java\, /not/ (as 
previously) C:\Program Files\JavaSoft\.

All I can say is that it /wasn't/ my imagination; the .dll really 
/wasn't/ there.  Who knows. . . .

Anyways, I'll stop bitching about it now.  It /also/ makes it a lot 
easier to recommend Mozilla to people, especially those using IE (those 
who persist in using NN 4.x seem beyond the reach of reason).

And, again, I apologise.

— Brian

-- 

‘We have seen the enemy and he is us’ — Walt Kelly’s Pogo

Table columns starting in center screen

2002-03-14 Thread Johnny Yen


When ever I go to a site with tables using Moz, most times a single column
will load first and show straight down the center of the screen until the
rest loads.  Is this by design?  It looks funky to have it load in the
center and then pop over to the left when content loads in the rest of the
table.

jy

Re: tabbed browsing bug?? haha

2002-03-14 Thread dman84


:murb: wrote:
 can't have more that 36 tabs in my moz 0.9.9 (under w2k!!!) well, i can 
 have more, but then my 'maximized' browser window gets bigger than my 
 screen!
 
 littel scrolling arrow should appear i think...
 
  who wants to have more than 36 browser windows open? mmm...
 
 yep... bit stupid idea... but anyhow... it's just not the way it should 
 be solved... and compared to that... i'm not running the lowest res( 
 1152x864) so imagine if you have like 640x480... mmm...
 
 welll...
 
 g.,
 
 maarten
 
 

its a known bug: with XUL I think.. It not a top priority to fix ur-up..

-dman84

Re: Considering Mozilla upgrade from Netscape


 Someone brought up a point, why doesn't Mozilla simply put the latest 
 version of the java file in the plugin directory during installation?
 
 Well, this might be due to licensing issues...
 
 And, of course, Mozilla is not meant for end users. It's a vendor's job 
 to package plugins with the produc.t

Yes, it's this sort of thing that is meant when it is said Mozilla is 
not for end-users. Saying Mozilla is not for end-users is _not_ an 
excuse for user-unfriendliness or bad UI (as was suggested further up 
the thread.)

Gerv

Re: U.S. Export Reestrictions


 countries, then that person either should leave that country or live 
 with the consequences of staying there.

You suppose the leaving is permitted, or even feasible. If the US 
started threatening, say, Iraq, would you leave?

Gerv

MozillaZine :-/

2002-03-14 Thread Sören Kuklau


Well then, so there's that Salon on Mozilla news post, whose comments 
are at [1]. And then there's that thread in it started by the 
MozillaZine founder himself, Chris Nelson, called Interesting It's 
about how far we've got - in the author's views, of course. No problem 
with that so far, until a certain Mr. M.P. Thomas replies to it with an 
opposite opinion, called Better than MSIE? In a few more years, maybe 
[2]. I don't certainly agree with his post, but his points aren't really 
invalid either.

Now about the problem. The first reply [3], by Asa Dotzler, is just a 
nice one, as we all know it from Asa. The second, from unapersson, is 
fine too - just a small remark.

Now to the third one [4]. What the h*ll happened to Chris Nelson? Did he 
got fired from his job? Divorced? Threatened by someone? I can't believe 
he's repeatedly using a language level (just some quotes - fucking, 
mindless windbag, pathetic hayseed) which only a stupid teenager 
might be proud of in the following of the thread.

I demand that Chris Nelson says he's sorry for what he's done or this 
might be the last time I visited his site. MozillaZine is a good news 
ressource, but this is really unbelievable.

[1] http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=2167
[2] http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=2167message=24#24
[3] http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=2167message=27#27
[4] http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=2167message=29#29

-- 
Regards,
Sören Kuklau ('Chucker')
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

beonex.com or beonex.org?

2002-03-14 Thread Ben Bucksch


Hi,

the official site for Beonex Communicator is currently 
http://www.beonex.com/communicator. I am wondering if the .com and the 
otherwise commercial-looking nature of the site discourages Mozilla 
contributors from helping make Beonex Communicator a great version of 
Mozilla, well-suited for end-users. (I assume you already know about the 
end-user vs. developer discussion of Mozilla, if not see 
http://www.beonex.com/communicator/doc/vsmozilla.html.)

I wonder, if moving the site to beonex.org/communicator would attract 
more developers.

Anyone interested in creating a great open-source browser for end-users, 
please tell me your thoughts about that and Beonex in general, as 
followup to the group or via email (remove the .news).

BTW: I am planing a release Beoneox Communicator 0.8 based on Mozilla 
1.0. Help (mostly chrome, tweaking, patching and building) appreciated. 
If anybody can build on Mac OS 9, that would be absolutely great, too.

Ben

back button broken (wired.com) in 0.9.9?

2002-03-14 Thread smcx1


Is it just me or does anyone else find that the back button is
again broken for some sites?

I find this happens at wired.com:

- Go to wired.com
- click on a story link
- click on the back button

I then get the bottom banner advert displayed but nothing else.

Also, 0.9.9 still has lots of problems in properly displaying text at many
sites (e.g. news.bbc.co.uk). Still seems a long way from a polished finished
product to me!

Re: Mozilla 0.9.9 Drudge Report


Bundy wrote:
 Brian Heinrich typed:
 
 Bundy wrote:

 Karl typed:

 Mozilla 0.9.9  doesn't display www.drudgereport.com correctly. One of
 the most popular Web sites.

 Karl




 Bug that deals with the horizontal line hr within a table tag with 
 height attrabutes. The tag is W3C (like they matter) complaint 
 although the site isn't, like most site.

 -- 
 Kyle


 Um, Kyle, lemme ask you this:  Can you imagine trying to design a web 
 site if all there were were proprietary tags?  The W3C matters.  A lot. 
 
 
 Not to a lot of webmasters. What matters is if the page looks good on MS 
 Explorer while using Front Page to compose it. Heck,  mozilla.org isn't 
 totally compliant. Why waste time (which is money) trying to get your 
 website to work for a small minority of web surfers? Drudge could very 
 easily fix the site by getting rid of the height tag on those two tables 
 that don't load right and make no sense to the outlook of his page. But 
 then again, since they are compliant, why should he?
 
 
So do standards.  Think of all the [insert favourite denigrating 
 term here] who're still using NN 4.x and wondering why pages don't 
 display correctly, c.  And, slowly, there seem to be more and more 
 sites that use valid mark-up, which seems to me to be a good thing.

 — Brian

 
 

Unfortunately, you're right.  Too many Web authors fixate on how things 
appear in IE.

Don't use FrontPage, so I can't comment, though a friend of mine excused 
some bad mark-up on his site by referring to some 'old HTML' that 
'wasn't necessary in FrontPage' (?!), like FrontPage was a mark-up 
language that had somehow superceded [X]HTML.  The same guy has also 
said that IE's dominance of the browser market makes /it/ the /de facto/ 
standard, and that W3C standards therefore don't matter.

That's a problem that needs to be addressed and publicised.  Using valid 
[X]HTML and CSS on your pages and publicising the fact is one place to 
begin.  Something like the WaSP's browser up-grade initiative is also 
helpful; so, perhaps is the 'Any Browser' initiative (though I haven't 
had a chance to do more than bookmark the page).

Something more concrete than that is needed, however.  I could care less 
if a surfer uses IE or NS 6+ or Moz or Opera 6 (NN 4.x is another 
matter, however); I /do/ care, however, that IE mis-renders my CSS.

Just /how/ to get that information out is another matter.  Netscape and 
Mozilla are at least honest enough to tell you what known 
problems/issues there are with their browsers; M$ doesn't even bother to 
tell you that IE launches to quickly 'cos it hi-jacks a chunk of your RAM.

Any thoughts on how to make information like this more readily 
accessible to people?

— Brian

-- 

‘We have seen the enemy and he is us’ — Walt Kelly’s Pogo

Re: Getting Close

2002-03-14 Thread Lee Dillion


Peter Lairo wrote:
 
 Lee Dillion wrote:
  I have been downloading nightlies for quite some time just to see the
  progress.  Once mozilla gets spellcheck
 
 http://spellchecker.mozdev.org/installation.html
 
 and a google toolbar
 
 add bookmark for: http://www.google.com/search?q=%s
 add keyword google
 
 Now in URL bar just type: google your-search-term
 
  (two tools that
  are a must for my needs), I'll be making mozilla my default browser and mail
  client.
 
 Your welcome :)

The google bar is working great, but the spellchecker crashes me every time. 
And now my sidebar will not display any content unless I close it and reopen
it.

As I say, getting close.
-- 
Lee Dillion

Re: JavaScript Problem

2002-03-14 Thread CoL


works fine form me: release: 0.9.9 win2k

CoL

Robert Pruitt wrote:
 I cannot get this small script to run with Mozilla --
 
 ***
  script language=Javascript
 var exit=true;
 function xit()
 {
   if (exit)
 
 
window.open('http://primeinc.net/golf.htm','asjdfh','toolbar=0,menubar=0,scrollbars=no,status=0,resizable=no,top=50,left=100,height=482,width=550');
 
 
 }
 
 /SCRIPT
 ***
 
 The JavaScript console returns this message --
 
 Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... Component returned failure 
 code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIDOMJSWindow.open]  nsresult: 
 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)  location: JS frame :: 
 http://primeinc.net/seminar.htm :: xit :: line 11  data: no]
 
 
 This script attempts to open a new window upon exit fo the previous window.
 
 Can I do this under Mozilla?
 
 Thanks,

compose mail window partially broken in 0.9.9?

2002-03-14 Thread smcx1


Anyone else having trouble composing mail in 0.9.9?

I sometimes find that the compose window won't let me type into certain
fields (e.g. the To or Subject fields)
This doesn't appear to consistently happen - it might depend on whether
I click on something while the window is being displayed...

I didn't have this problem with 0.9.8 at all.

Re: beonex.com or beonex.org?

2002-03-14 Thread Stuart Ballard


Ben Bucksch wrote:
 
 I wonder, if moving the site to beonex.org/communicator would attract
 more developers.

Well, I can't say for sure (because my own time is probably too limited
anyway to be able to help in any substantial way) but beonex.org would
have made a better impression on *me* than .com. The following is my
theory of the best way to make a better impression on potential
contributors. It's just a suggestion, of course.

From my perspective, presenting Beonex as a company indicates in some
vague way that Beonex and Me are two different things. It also signifies
that the person responsible for Beonex achieving its goals is, well,
Beonex. Not all of that is to do with the .com domain, but the overall
presentation of the site (last time I looked) suggests the same thing:
we'd like you to be our customer, as opposed to we'd like you to be
*part* of us.

Mozilla.org is the opposite, and that has its downsides too: an end-user
who found themselves at mozilla.org would be a bit lost if they wanted
anything other than downloads.

I think there's room for both beonex.com and beonex.org. Present
beonex.org as the homepage when making release announcements, calls for
volunteers, etc on mozilla newsgroups and the like. People on those
groups are more likely to be developers than end-users. Mention both
pages if you announce on freshmeat, because both classes of people might
frequent that. If you talk to any mainstream press, mention the .com
site. Structure beonex.org something like Mozilla.org, with the main
links being to download (source and binary) tarballs, mailing lists, cvs
access, etc. Maybe mirror the patchmaker homepage - see if you can make
it even easier to use patchmaker with beonex than with mozilla[1]. Of
course, have a prominent link to beonex.com near the top of beonex.org
to indicate where users should go. Then remove the developer information
from beonex.com and put just the user's documentation, mailing lists,
binary-only tarballs and packages, screenshots, etc on beonex.com.

One of the things that makes a big difference to *me* in whether I
become involved in a project is the quality of the mailing lists and
especially of the archives. If I can keep up with the mailing list by
checking the web archive for a while, I can make a better judgement of
the activity level of the project and decide whether my help is worth
it. Since subscribing to a mailing list adds to the already substantial
amount of stuff that I get by email, I'd rather make sure it's worth my
while before I do that. It took me a long time to find the beonex
developer mailing lists in the site (and now I've lost them and can't
find them again, even with the help of the sitemap), and I still haven't
found the archives. The mail-archive.com version of the users archive is
nice - a mail-archive link for the developer lists prominently from the
proposed beonex.org page would give me a much more positive impression
about the community-orientedness of beonex.

I hope that in the absence of actual *help*, these suggestions are still
of some worth to you. I appreciate what Beonex does and I'd like to see
it succeed.

Stuart.

[1] One way to do this would be to offer patchmaker-ready binary
tarballs. These would come with the chrome directory pre-unjarred (with
the jar files removed entirely) and patchmaker sitting in the same place
as the beonex binary, all ready to go.

-- 
Stuart Ballard, Programmer
FASTNET - Internet Solutions
215.283.2300, ext. 126
www.fast.net

Netscape mail on PowerMail

2002-03-14 Thread Nick


Is it pop.netscape.com, pop3.netscape.com or Imap or what/ How can I
get my netscape mail on the PowerMail app.

Re: .9.9 - Humble impressions from an end user

2002-03-14 Thread Kenneth Pardue


Well, I'm new to bug filing and the sort.  I've registered a Bugzilla 
account and voted for the bugs that I have found as duplicates, but 
since I can't find one for the tooltip saying who has messages, I'm 
asking for a little help here.  I know I risk being run down as a 
no-nothing who should have read more before trying to get in to do this, 
but I have no idea where to read!

I'm trying to chose a 'component' of the 'Mail and News' section but I 
can't seem to find one that would match this problem.  Anybody have any 
idea where it would go?

Thanks for all the feedback!

Kenneth



Gervase Markham wrote:
 Also when it gives the pop up menu saying so-in-so has new messages, 
 it seems to be tied to the account name.  Wouldn't it be more prudent 
 to make this the display name for the account, or even better, let the 
 user choose his or her name?
 
 
 File a bug on this one, certainly (and your other issues, too.) Don't 
 forget to check for duplicates :-)
 
 Gerv

Re: 0.9.9 installer won't run on my Win2k box

2002-03-14 Thread Parish


Neil Durant wrote:
 I've just installed 0.9.9 on my Debian Woody box, and it's great!!! 
 Lovely improvement over 0.9.8, with seemingly a bit more speed, and some 
 of the tab bugs fixed.
 
 However, when I try to run the installer for win32 on my Win2k box, 
 (mozilla-win32-0.9.9-installer.exe), the installer seems to grab a ton 
 of memory, and keep grabbing until it finally comes up with an Out of 
 memory alert.  I have 1Gb of RAM, btw!   Ideas?
 

I know that WFM replies don't really help, but it did work fine for me 
on W2K. I can only suggest that the EXE is corrupt in some way or that 
it is conflicting in some way with your AV s/w; IIRC there is an 
instruction somewhere that you should disable AV before installing.

One other thing, have you uninstalled your previous version of Moz?

-- 
Software is like sex, it's better when it's free  - Linus Torvalds

Anti-spam e-mail address, change _AT_, sorry for the inconvenience

Re: Spellchecker

2002-03-14 Thread Parish


Garth Almgren wrote:
 RV wrote:
 Parish wrote:
 
 WFM too on my work machine. I installed 0.9.9 today. Only difference I 
 can see here is that you (WDA) are running on Win9x, I'm running W2K, 
 but Eric is running XP. Maybe it's an XP issue?
 
 
 running on XP here and it crashes for me everytime too.
 
 
 
 Same here.
 
 It *would* be nice to have a working spellchecker...
 

If I get chance I'll try it on my XP system as well. In the meantime, 
there is no bug filed at Mozdev so I suggest someone files one, 
http://www.mozdev.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=spellchecker and the 
rest add me too comments. Don't file it as a Mozilla bug though.

If it fails for me I'll file a bug if no-one else has.

-- 
Software is like sex, it's better when it's free  - Linus Torvalds

Anti-spam e-mail address, change _AT_, sorry for the inconvenience

Re: Spellchecker

2002-03-14 Thread Eric


i don't have a bugzilla account for mozdev, so maybe someone who has 
should file this bug?


Eric

Parish wrote:
 Garth Almgren wrote:
 
 RV wrote:

 Parish wrote:

 WFM too on my work machine. I installed 0.9.9 today. Only difference 
 I can see here is that you (WDA) are running on Win9x, I'm running 
 W2K, but Eric is running XP. Maybe it's an XP issue?



 running on XP here and it crashes for me everytime too.



 Same here.

 It *would* be nice to have a working spellchecker...

 
 If I get chance I'll try it on my XP system as well. In the meantime, 
 there is no bug filed at Mozdev so I suggest someone files one, 
 http://www.mozdev.org/bugs/enter_bug.cgi?product=spellchecker and the 
 rest add me too comments. Don't file it as a Mozilla bug though.
 
 If it fails for me I'll file a bug if no-one else has.

Re: 0.9.9 installer won't run on my Win2k box

2002-03-14 Thread Eric


bad downloads. several people (including me) had this issue the last 
couple of days. In my case even the icon for the stub-installer was 
mutilated, actually looked kinda funny.

Stub installer still has problems getting me all the files in one 
attempt, but perseverance pays :)

Eric


Neil Durant wrote:
 I've just installed 0.9.9 on my Debian Woody box, and it's great!!! 
 Lovely improvement over 0.9.8, with seemingly a bit more speed, and some 
 of the tab bugs fixed.
 
 However, when I try to run the installer for win32 on my Win2k box, 
 (mozilla-win32-0.9.9-installer.exe), the installer seems to grab a ton 
 of memory, and keep grabbing until it finally comes up with an Out of 
 memory alert.  I have 1Gb of RAM, btw!   Ideas?

Re: U.S. Export Reestrictions


Peter Lairo wrote:
 I rather be subject to the restrictions of a democratically elected body 
 than to the anarchy of the internet community running wild

I'll take the latter, thanks.

-- 
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
  -- Benjamin Franklin

Re: Refresh all tabs at once?

2002-03-14 Thread Ed S


Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
 Ed S wrote:
 
 Is there a key combination available to refresh all tabs at once?
 
 
 Not AFAIK, but you can rightclick a tab and say Reload All Tabs.
 
 /Jonas
 

Thanks,  I did not notice that before.  That works almost as well.

--Ed

Re: beonex.com or beonex.org?

2002-03-14 Thread Ben Bucksch


Stuart Ballard wrote:

the overall presentation of the site (last time I looked) suggests the same thing:
we'd like you to be our customer, as opposed to we'd like you to be
*part* of us.

Yes, that's intended. I recognize that normal end-users can and want to 
do almost nothing for us (=Beonex or Mozilla). They are not programmers, 
they have no time to devote, they just want a good browser. Beonex 
competes with Microsoft and Netscape. How many users even wonder how 
they could help Netscape or would do so, if asked?

The only thing that I do want from users is:

* If they are some of those few who are willing and capable of
  helping, point them to beonex.org and mozilla.org
* For all others, donate some money to further fund development and
  servers.
* Spread the word

Basically, the main site should say: Here, we have a cake for you, take 
it, and if you're nice, leave some money.

I think there's room for both beonex.com and beonex.org. Present
beonex.org as the homepage when making release announcements, calls for
volunteers, etc on mozilla newsgroups and the like. People on those
groups are more likely to be developers than end-users. Mention both
pages if you announce on freshmeat, because both classes of people might
frequent that. If you talk to any mainstream press, mention the .com
site. Structure beonex.org something like Mozilla.org, with the main
links being to download (source and binary) tarballs, mailing lists, cvs
access, etc. Maybe mirror the patchmaker homepage - see if you can make
it even easier to use patchmaker with beonex than with mozilla[1]. Of
course, have a prominent link to beonex.com near the top of beonex.org
to indicate where users should go. Then remove the developer information
from beonex.com and put just the user's documentation, mailing lists,
binary-only tarballs and packages, screenshots, etc on beonex.com.

That's basically what I'm doing today. beonex.org is for development, 
beonex.com the main site used for the press.

Just that I want to have one main site only, where Beonex Communicator 
is described etc. (everything else would be redundant and probably 
confusing).

Note that some users have said that they find a split between .com and 
.org confusing.

(I haven't ever looked at PatchMaker, and probably won't have time to do 
so.)

It took me a long time to find the beonex
developer mailing lists in the site (and now I've lost them and can't
find them again, even with the help of the sitemap), and I still haven't
found the archives.

Will check that.

a mail-archive link for the developer lists prominently from the
proposed beonex.org page would give me a much more positive impression
about the community-orientedness of beonex.

I see that the websites could need some improvement in their 
organization. Not sure, how exactly, though. I'm reluctant to add tons 
of links to the homepage.

[1] One way to do this would be to offer patchmaker-ready binary
tarballs. These would come with the chrome directory pre-unjarred (with
the jar files removed entirely) and patchmaker sitting in the same place
as the beonex binary, all ready to go.

Yes, Simon P. Lucy expressed interest in non-jar builds, too.

Ben Bucksch

Re: 0.9.9 installer won't run on my Win2k box

2002-03-14 Thread Patrick Gallagher


Parish wrote:

 Neil Durant wrote:

 I've just installed 0.9.9 on my Debian Woody box, and it's great!!! 
 Lovely improvement over 0.9.8, with seemingly a bit more speed, and 
 some of the tab bugs fixed.

 However, when I try to run the installer for win32 on my Win2k box, 
 (mozilla-win32-0.9.9-installer.exe), the installer seems to grab a 
 ton of memory, and keep grabbing until it finally comes up with an 
 Out of memory alert.  I have 1Gb of RAM, btw!   Ideas?


 I know that WFM replies don't really help, but it did work fine for me 
 on W2K. I can only suggest that the EXE is corrupt in some way or that 
 it is conflicting in some way with your AV s/w; IIRC there is an 
 instruction somewhere that you should disable AV before installing.

 One other thing, have you uninstalled your previous version of Moz?

I had the same problem - with a nightly build from the same day 0.9.9 
was released. The full download launched, then vanished, and the 
download manager style installer displayed an out of memory error.

Patrick

Re: New Skin for 1.0

2002-03-14 Thread Rupert James


I really miss Grey Modern; it was clean and classy, just like Mozilla 
itself.  waiting patiently for return of Grey Modern once Moz 1.0 makes 
it out the door

But skins are small fry compared to what the developers are really doing 
(and the current Modern is already great).  As an end user, I am humbled 
by your dedication and great work.  Mozilla is already a magnificent 
piece of software, and I can't get enough of it.  Thank you!

-- 
Regards
Rupert James
--
Remove lid to reply.


Nigel L wrote:
 Patrick Gallagher wrote:
 
 Lancer wrote:

 Patrick Gallagher wrote:

 or Grey Modern - very nice skin

 hopefully themes will become more abundant once the API freeze 
 happens at 1.0

 Patrick




 More abundant?! ...Oh no please! Have you seen that thing which name 
 is WOOD, his author dare to call that a Mozilla Theme...

 And no... I hope that no happen, I am full with all the trash 
 generated by Winamp 2.x

 who in their right mind would install skins they don't like?

 appearance is a matter of personal preference, and the more skins we 
 have, the more likely there will be one that everyone likes. being 
 overburdened by too many skins means, most likely, you're a proactive 
 downloader that's too lazy to remove the things you didn't like.

 Patrick

 Yeah, I go to www.deviantart.com when I need a small program and will 
 select one based on the number of skins that are listed for it.  Skins 
 matter to me!   Rgds,   Nigel L

Re: U.S. Export Reestrictions

2002-03-14 Thread Rob Allen


In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Peter Lairo [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes
Pascal Chevrel wrote:
 May I remind you that many democratic countries do not agree with the 
USA about this list of enemies ?

Then let them develop their own encryption system. :-P


I have a vague recollection that Opera in Norway had 128bit encryption 
in their browser before NS and MS were allowed to export anything more 
than 40 bits to Europe...

-- 
Rob...

Re: 0.9.9 and null host mappings

2002-03-14 Thread TazMainiac


michael lefevre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
a6o2p4$fs0k0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:">news:a6o2p4$fs0k0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]: 
 In article 6xLj8.35076$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
 TazMainiac wrote: 
 I have a HOSTS file that maps many ad servers to 0.0.0.0
 (see http://www.smartin-designs.com).
 
 In versions of Mozilla prior to 0.9.9, this worked wonderfully.
 
 it did?  i had dialogs popping up all over the place in 0.9.7 and
 .9.8 just the same...

Odd - I put the hosts file (the 0.0.0.0 one) in place *months*
ago, and everything was fine - no pop-ups.  Then with 0.9.9
I get the pop-ups.

 you can't stop those pop-ups.  there is a RFE filed to change the
 pop-ups into placeholder pages, which should sort things out if
 and when it gets implemented -
 http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28586 

Well that'd be half the battle I think - see below.

 as a workaround, what you can do is point the hosts entries at
 the IP of a webserver that exists (maybe you have one running on
 your local network, or run one yourself?) - then mozilla will get
 404s back from that server, instead of connection refused
 messages, and you won't get the annoying dialogs.

What I really want is for Mozilla to support regular expression
ad-banner blocking: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78104

Then I can just use something like JunkBuster's ad blocker
file, and be done with it.  

Of course, the nice thing about the HOSTS file is that it
blocks everything, cookies, web bugs (invisible gif's),
etc.

Thanks,
Taz

Re: U.S. Export Reestrictions

2002-03-14 Thread Sören Kuklau


On 3/14/2002 2:12 PM, Peter Lairo apparently wrote exactly the following:
 If a person lives in a country that threatens the peace of other 
 countries, then that person either should leave that country or live 
 with the consequences of staying there.

And you assume it's like jumping on a plane to leave such a country? 
Hint hint: The governments of such countries do not want their 
population to leave them, just in case that wasn't obvious.

-- 
Regards,
Sören Kuklau ('Chucker')
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: MozillaZine :-/

2002-03-14 Thread Ben Bucksch


Sören Kuklau wrote:

 Mr. M.P. Thomas replies to it with an opposite opinion, called Better 
 than MSIE? In a few more years, maybe [2]. I don't certainly agree 
 with his post, but his points aren't really invalid either.

While I agree that mpt (if it has really been him - mpt, can you 
confirm?) is a bit extreme with his statement there, he has a point: The 
sidebar, cookie management etc. mean little to most users. They know 
cookies only from the grocery, and the sidebar looks overloaden and 
confusing to them, I guess.

Stability (e.g. not to take the Windows UI down with us) and security 
could mean something to them, but they are more abstract things.

I value mpt's opinions, because he sometimes gets me back to how the 
majority of the users out there sees us.

 The first reply [3], by Asa Dotzler, is just a nice one, as we all 
 know it from Asa.

IMO, even that is too cynical. What is Javascript? What do users need a 
JS console for? Many users would prefer, if Mozilla just looked and 
behaved like the rest of Windows(without the crashes :) )/Mac/GTK/KDE, 
rather than having skins that break with the next update.

 Now to the third one [4]. What the h*ll happened to Chris Nelson?

1) Compare [1]
2) He probably didn't know that mpt is such a valueable Mozilla 
contributor.


[1] http://www.webstandards.org/mozillazine.html 
http://www.mozillazine.org/articles/article1524.html

Re: Problem with Netscape mail

2002-03-14 Thread Jayesh Sheth

Hello,

The following links might help you:

http://help.att.net/docs/use/email/gen/prb_xxx_xxx_mail-news-settings.htm?customercontent=customer_emailformType=results
Excerpt:
--
E-mail and News Settings:

* Outgoing Mail (SMTP): mailhost.att.net
* Incoming Mail (POP): postoffice.att.net
* User name or POP name: This is the first part of your e-mail
address; everything before the @
* News Server (NNTP): netnews.att.net
* Mail Server Type: POP3

--
What are POP and SMTP servers? -
http://help.att.net/docs/use/email/gen/edu_xxx_xxx_popsmtpdefn.htm?customercontent=customer_emailformType=results

You can find new versions of Netscape at http://www.netscape.com or
here:
http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-3364665-100-8105033.html?tag=st.dl.10001-103-1.lst-7-5.8105033
--
You can download the latest version of Mozilla here:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/mozilla0.9.9/mozilla-win32-0.9.9-installer.exe

Netscape 6+ is based on Mozilla. Mozilla is smaller than Netscape and
contains its own mail program too. You can set up Mozila mail to check
ATT Mail using the settings I listed above.

--
Hope this helps.

Regards,

- Jayesh

Henry W. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:BD1k8.8622$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Hi, All,

I'm trying to help out a friend with his mail problems. What
happened, as far as I can piece together, is that a younger
member of the household installed some kiddie software on the
system that caused problems in general with the system, an
HP Pavilion running Win98. My friend just went through and
deleted the offending programs.

Then, he was unable to login either to AOL or ATT. After
poking around the system for a bit, I found that most of the
subdirectories under C:\Program Files\ had been moved to
another directory. That was easy enough to fix, and AOL
mail works just find.

Now, however, we still cannot get his ATT mail working.
He was using some form of Netscape, but I cannont seem to
find out where his email directories and configuration ended
up, so that they can be restored.

If anyone has any input, it's be greatly appreciated.

Best,

-HWM

Re: Table columns starting in center screen

2002-03-14 Thread Neil M.


Johnny Yen wrote:

When ever I go to a site with tables using Moz, most times a single column
will load first and show straight down the center of the screen until the
rest loads.  Is this by design?  It looks funky to have it load in the
center and then pop over to the left when content loads in the rest of the
table.

This would be by design.  In nav 4 it would wait until an entire table 
was downloaded before displaying it.  Mozilla, on the other hand, draws 
the table as it downloads.  If the table has content on the left hand 
side which is centered it will center on the page because mozilla 
doesn't have the information needed to set the correct width (So it uses 
100%).

I believe the faster your internet connection, the less jumping you'll see.

Re: back button broken (wired.com) in 0.9.9?


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is it just me or does anyone else find that the back button is
 again broken for some sites?
 
 I find this happens at wired.com:
 
 - Go to wired.com
 - click on a story link
 - click on the back button
 
 I then get the bottom banner advert displayed but nothing else.
 
 Also, 0.9.9 still has lots of problems in properly displaying text at many
 sites (e.g. news.bbc.co.uk). Still seems a long way from a polished finished
 product to me!

I use a keyboard with a touchpad (Synaptics, not Cirque (thankfully)), 
so I tend to use Alt + left-arrow more than the Back button, but I've 
experienced something similar as well:  there are times where I can't go 
back by using the keyboard shortcut but /have/ to use the Back button. 
It's an occasional problem, however, and I have yet to try to see if 
it's page specific.

— Brian

-- 

‘We have seen the enemy and he is us’ — Walt Kelly’s Pogo

Re: Netscape mail on PowerMail


Nick wrote:
 Is it pop.netscape.com, pop3.netscape.com or Imap or what/ How can I
 get my netscape mail on the PowerMail app.

It's IMAP, and it's proprietary; need Netscape /and/ AIM to access a 
netscape.net account.  At least I'm /assuming/ you're referring to a Web 
Mail account. . . .

— Brian

-- 

‘We have seen the enemy and he is us’ — Walt Kelly’s Pogo

Re: back button broken (wired.com) in 0.9.9?

2002-03-14 Thread Parish


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Also, 0.9.9 still has lots of problems in properly displaying text at many
 sites (e.g. news.bbc.co.uk).

Example URLs? news.bbc.co.uk looks just fine to me

-- 
Software is like sex, it's better when it's free  - Linus Torvalds

Anti-spam e-mail address, change _AT_, sorry for the inconvenience

Re: 0.9.9 and null host mappings

2002-03-14 Thread michael lefevre


In article Kv7k8.42076$[EMAIL PROTECTED], TazMainiac
wrote:
[snip]
 What I really want is for Mozilla to support regular expression
 ad-banner blocking: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78104

that would indeed be very cool.

 Of course, the nice thing about the HOSTS file is that it
 blocks everything, cookies, web bugs (invisible gif's),
 etc.

you forgot redirected images... currently quite a few sites can evade the
filtering by using a URL of http://viewed.site/rd?http://ad.site/blah
and then having http://viewed.site/rd simply perform an HTTP redirect to
ad.site, which then serves the ad.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69486

-- 
michael

Re: MozillaZine :-/

2002-03-14 Thread Chris Nelson


Sören Kuklau wrote:
 Well then, so there's that Salon on Mozilla news post, whose comments 
 are at [1]. And then there's that thread in it started by the 
 MozillaZine founder himself, Chris Nelson, called Interesting It's 
 about how far we've got - in the author's views, of course. No problem 
 with that so far, until a certain Mr. M.P. Thomas replies to it with an 
 opposite opinion, called Better than MSIE? In a few more years, maybe 
 [2]. I don't certainly agree with his post, but his points aren't really 
 invalid either.
 
 Now about the problem. The first reply [3], by Asa Dotzler, is just a 
 nice one, as we all know it from Asa. The second, from unapersson, is 
 fine too - just a small remark.
 
 Now to the third one [4]. What the h*ll happened to Chris Nelson? Did he 
 got fired from his job? Divorced? Threatened by someone? I can't believe 
 he's repeatedly using a language level (just some quotes - fucking, 
 mindless windbag, pathetic hayseed) which only a stupid teenager 
 might be proud of in the following of the thread.
 

My oh my. The shame of it!

 I demand that Chris Nelson says he's sorry for what he's done or this 
 might be the last time I visited his site.

Do you promise? Cross your heart?

--chris

Re: 'save as' instead of displaying image


Christian Biesinger wrote:
 Phil Sweeney wrote:
 Anyone know the bug # for this?
 
 http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130564
 
 It has a patch which only awaits approval from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The patch has now got approval and was checked in, so tomorrow's nightly 
builds should have the fix and the mentioned site should work again.

-- 
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
  -- Benjamin Franklin

Re: I had lost my personal toolbar


Lancer Charade wrote:
 Days ago i did erase it by erasing the folder into the manage bookmarks 
 window.
 But now i want it back. I did click the option for show it at 
 ViewShow/HidePersonal Toolbar. The toolbar appeard with the options 
 'home' and the 'bookmarks' menu; the i took, with drag and drop, a link 
 to place it in but nothing happend.

In the Manage Bookmarks Window, click on a folder and choose View|Set 
as personal toolbar folder

-- 
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
  -- Benjamin Franklin

Re: What happened to my sidebar?

2002-03-14 Thread Jay Garcia


On 03/13/2002 11:39 PM, phil wrote:
 Thanks! Iwas in EST instead of actual MST. :-[


Well, if you don't mind doing that again, please grab this Saturday's
powerball numbers !! :-)

-- 
Jay Garcia - Netscape Champion
Novell MCNE-5/CNI-Networking Technologies-OSI
UFAQ - http://www.UFAQ.org

Re: Mozilla 0.9.9 Drudge Report

2002-03-14 Thread Jay Garcia


On 03/14/2002 3:35 AM, Bundy wrote:
 
 Not to a lot of webmasters. What matters is if the page looks good on MS 
 Explorer while using Front Page to compose it. Heck,  mozilla.org isn't 
 totally compliant. Why waste time (which is money) trying to get your 
 website to work for a small minority of web surfers? Drudge could very 
 easily fix the site by getting rid of the height tag on those two tables 
 that don't load right and make no sense to the outlook of his page. But 
 then again, since they are compliant, why should he?
 
 

Well, let's give you a little example. I was webmaster for a mail order
computer company whose income from 'just' the web site was a little over
6 million dollars per MONTH. Now, take into consideration today's
browser ratio of Communicator ~10% to IE's ~90%. What is 10% of 6
million ?? ummm, $600,000 in potential lost income because Communicator
users are shut out ?? !!! The exact numbers and ratio are a little
different in reality but even aa high as a 10% margin of error still
leaves you with astounding losses. And besides, this was in 1995 to 1999
when the ratio was quite a bit in Communicator's favor.

Bottom line is, the Webmaster that does not consider cross-browser
compatibility and standards compliance is shooting him/herself in the
foot and will soon be in the bread line.

The actual numbers can be skewed a bit by the users that can't get in
with Communicator will try IE of course. But still, the potential loss
in business is real !!

-- 
Jay Garcia - Netscape Champion
Novell MCNE-5/CNI-Networking Technologies-OSI
UFAQ - http://www.UFAQ.org

Re: Mozilla 0.9.9 Drudge Report

2002-03-14 Thread Jay Garcia


On 03/14/2002 11:46 AM, Brian Heinrich wrote:
 Bundy wrote:
 Brian Heinrich typed:
 
 Bundy wrote:

 Karl typed:

 Mozilla 0.9.9  doesn't display www.drudgereport.com correctly. One of
 the most popular Web sites.

 Karl




 Bug that deals with the horizontal line hr within a table tag with 
 height attrabutes. The tag is W3C (like they matter) complaint 
 although the site isn't, like most site.

 -- 
 Kyle


 Um, Kyle, lemme ask you this:  Can you imagine trying to design a web 
 site if all there were were proprietary tags?  The W3C matters.  A lot. 
 
 
 Not to a lot of webmasters. What matters is if the page looks good on MS 
 Explorer while using Front Page to compose it. Heck,  mozilla.org isn't 
 totally compliant. Why waste time (which is money) trying to get your 
 website to work for a small minority of web surfers? Drudge could very 
 easily fix the site by getting rid of the height tag on those two tables 
 that don't load right and make no sense to the outlook of his page. But 
 then again, since they are compliant, why should he?
 
 
So do standards.  Think of all the [insert favourite denigrating 
 term here] who're still using NN 4.x and wondering why pages don't 
 display correctly, c.  And, slowly, there seem to be more and more 
 sites that use valid mark-up, which seems to me to be a good thing.

 — Brian

 
 
 
 Unfortunately, you're right.  Too many Web authors fixate on how things 
 appear in IE.
 
 Don't use FrontPage, so I can't comment, though a friend of mine excused 
 some bad mark-up on his site by referring to some 'old HTML' that 
 'wasn't necessary in FrontPage' (?!), like FrontPage was a mark-up 
 language that had somehow superceded [X]HTML.  The same guy has also 
 said that IE's dominance of the browser market makes /it/ the /de facto/ 
 standard, and that W3C standards therefore don't matter.
 
 That's a problem that needs to be addressed and publicised.  Using valid 
 [X]HTML and CSS on your pages and publicising the fact is one place to 
 begin.  Something like the WaSP's browser up-grade initiative is also 
 helpful; so, perhaps is the 'Any Browser' initiative (though I haven't 
 had a chance to do more than bookmark the page).
 
 Something more concrete than that is needed, however.  I could care less 
 if a surfer uses IE or NS 6+ or Moz or Opera 6 (NN 4.x is another 
 matter, however); I /do/ care, however, that IE mis-renders my CSS.
 
 Just /how/ to get that information out is another matter.  Netscape and 
 Mozilla are at least honest enough to tell you what known 
 problems/issues there are with their browsers; M$ doesn't even bother to 
 tell you that IE launches to quickly 'cos it hi-jacks a chunk of your RAM.
 
 Any thoughts on how to make information like this more readily 
 accessible to people?
 
 — Brian
 

Good place to start:

  http://www.anybrowser.org


-- 
Jay Garcia - Netscape Champion
Novell MCNE-5/CNI-Networking Technologies-OSI
UFAQ - http://www.UFAQ.org

It's official AOL+Gecko

2002-03-14 Thread RV


AOL is reuesting AOl beta testers for AOL+Gecko. They will incorporate 
gecko into AOL 7.0, not waiting for AOL 8.0 as many thought before. The 
announcement reads as follows:

*Hello Beta Testers!
The Beta Team is happy to announce the start of a new Beta test -- AOL 
7.0 with Netscape Gecko.

The software used in this test is based on the most recent version of 
AOL 7.0 with Netscape Gecko as its internal browser. Netscape Gecko is 
an embeddable browser designed to support open Internet standards, and 
is used for products like Netscape 6.2 and Instant AOL. This Beta tests 
the functionality of the AOL 7.0 software with Netscape Gecko.

Please Go to Keyword: Beta and visit the AOL 7.0 with Netscape Gecko 
Beta area, to review the documentation and download the beta software.
- AOL Beta Team*

Not and AOL member and want to test it. Join AOL (45 days free). Go to 
Keyword beta and join the beta test. I am using it right now and it 
works real well. No one will notice the difference .. that i a good 
thing. AOLers don't care if the browser is IE based or not but the 
repercusions will be great for WEB standards

Re: Listing by thread won't work in descending order

2002-03-14 Thread Rupert James


Or is that ascending order?  When the newest posts are at the top.

Rupert James wrote:
 Sorry if this is old news, and I don't know if this is a reported bug, 
 but I felt I should at least mention it.
 


-- 
Regards
Rupert James
--
Remove lid to reply.

Re: Listing by thread won't work in descending order

2002-03-14 Thread Kryptolus


Rupert James wrote:
 Sorry if this is old news, and I don't know if this is a reported bug, 
 but I felt I should at least mention it.
 

Try clicking on the Speech Bubble icon next to the Subject column.

Re: .9.9 - Humble impressions from an end user

2002-03-14 Thread Kenneth Pardue


Thanks!  I probably did it wrong, but just to let everyone know, I've 
filed two bugs in Bugzilla: Bug 130961 and Bug 131026.  I hope that's 
what I should have done. Thank you guys very much!  Here's links:

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130961
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=131026

Re: back button broken (wired.com) in 0.9.9?

2002-03-14 Thread michael lefevre


In article a6r4a7$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Parish wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Also, 0.9.9 still has lots of problems in properly displaying text at many
 sites (e.g. news.bbc.co.uk).
 
 Example URLs? news.bbc.co.uk looks just fine to me

that's odd - still rather messed up for me.  

the page is dynamic, but look at news.bbc.co.uk right now, the sports
news and the two items under top stories around the UK all have text
overlapping content in the column to the right of them.  selecting the
text in those boxes with the mouse highlights an area which is confined
to the central column, and does not relate to the text i'm dragging over.

i believe there is a detailed description and screenshots attached to the
bugzilla report.

-- 
michael

Before Mozilla1.0 is released...

2002-03-14 Thread Chris Rankin


Hi,

I have been using Mozilla as my browser exclusively for many months now, 
and so I feel *most* strongly that at least ONE of the following things 
must happen before the 1.0 release:

1) Mozilla must learn to respect the font DPI setting in the Preferences 
dialogue. At the moment, although the value remains in the dialogue box, 
Mozilla ALWAYS starts up using the system setting DPI. Even worse, it is 
VERY VERY UNWILLING TO CHANGE. It is currently taking me SEVERAL MINUTES 
to get Mozilla to use larger fonts EACH AND EVERY TIME I LAUNCH THE BROWSER.

2) Mozilla must learn to reap its plugin Zombies. At the moment, the 
only way that I can get rid of them is to restart Mozilla (SEE 1)

3) I need at least a 17 monitor so that I don't need to change the font 
DPI in the preferences dialogue. This would downgrade my experience of 
restarting Mozilla from DOWNRIGHT FSCKING INFURIATING to merely 
annoying.

Should you choose to go with option 3 then I can send you all mailing 
details. A flat-screen would be nice... ;-)

Thank you for your time,
Chris

Re: .9.9 - Humble impressions from an end user