[MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[gijs...@gmail.com]

It would be great if views and filters (and some of teh settings) could be 
include din teh sync. So that all views are teh same on teh various devices.
Thanks for teh great work.

måndag 17 oktober 2022 kl. 08:30:39 UTC+2 skrev senthil.k...@gmail.com:

> Custom fields and ability to filter / group using it would be awesome 
> It will take MLO to the next level
>
> On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 23:57:10 UTC-7 patricio...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> hi All, sharing some ideas here too, mainly thought for MLO Windows 
>> version:
>>
>> - there should a simple/easy shortcut for switching through 'completed 
>> task hidden', 'old completed task hidden', 'completed task shown' (probably 
>> easy to implement, and high value added type of feature) note: I solved it 
>> since I use autohotkey, so found a way to toggle that setting through the 
>> keyboard.
>>
>> - filters available at the top in the toolbar section, ideally fully 
>> customizable which filters you can have there OR make columns name filters 
>> (like in Excel, that would be super powerful!), but at min the ability to 
>> filter by 'due date', 'importance', 'goal', 'status', 'context' would be 
>> super productive. (I know you can set them from the Advance filters 
>> feature, but the ability to have handy at just 1-click would make a huge 
>> difference)
>>
>> - ability to change 'status' field values from the main view (like you 
>> can change due date) without the need to go to the properties panel on the 
>> right. <-- generalizing this: any field that have a list of predefine 
>> values should be possible to be updated from the main view
>>
>> - status field available in any task w/o the need to make it a project.
>>
>> - 'Group by' popup should probably have a grid (instead of the current 
>> controls), such that you can easily move up/down the fields you want to 
>> group by, that would be much easier to set up and update as needed. Even 
>> with the grid you can keep the limit of only 4 group by levels.
>>
>> - warning, game changer idea :-), a calendar view, I know and use the 
>> ability to sync up with Google Calendar, it works like a charm indeed, 
>> bi-directional update, just amazing, I agree, BUT, I think having a 
>> built-in calendar view would take the app to the next level well beyond 
>> competitors, this is the idea:
>> -- first the basic features you 'would expect' in any calendar view:
>> --- a section on the calendar page from where you can see your list of 
>> tasks, such that you can drop into the calendar the ones you want
>> --- ability to drag and drop tasks from any day/time to another day/time
>> --- the 'typical' day/weekly/monthly views
>> --- ability to filter the tasks as you can do in the existing views <-- 
>> this is the big difference / value add in comparison to use Google 
>> Calendar, meaning Google Calendar is great, but you can't take advantage of 
>> all the MLO filtering features, that's why a built-in calendar in MLO would 
>> be simply awesome
>> -- NEW (AND IMHO HIGH VALUE ADDED) IDEA:
>> --- when you drop a task (either from the backlog, or move one that was 
>> already in the calendar) into a time slot that already had a task, a domino 
>> effect is triggered that would move the tasks sequentially:
>> any existing tasks that were already in the calendar on the same time 
>> slot would moved automatically. e.g. if I have a task that goes from 2pm to 
>> 3pm, and place in that same slot a 30 mins task at 2pm, then the existing 
>> one would automatically move to 2:30 to 3:30pm, same would happen with any 
>> task that was after 3:30, basically when you place a task in the calendar 
>> (or move an existing one) you create a domino effect...(that's not 
>> available in any calendar app I have tried so far). tasks that fall from 
>> Day 1 would automatically move to Day 2, etc
>> --- ability to control the 'domino effect': flag available at the task 
>> level to keep the task unchanged if you place another task in that same 
>> slot, or by tasks moved due to the domino effect. Basically (it could be by 
>> default) each task has a flag that protects from being automatically moved 
>> by the domino effect, but you have the option to uncheck that protection 
>> such that the domino effect will move it. Real life example, you plan 3 
>> things for day 1, ('enjoy time with the family', 'go running', and 'study 
>> machine learning'), and you only complete the first 2, so you move 'study 
>> machine learning' to day 2 where you already had tasks planned, those tasks 
>> that were already in day 2 are automatically pushed down based on the 
>> duration assigned to 'study machine learning' and the time slot you place 
>> it.
>> -- another neat feature would be to have Quarterly/Yearly/Next N Years 
>> views that allow you to plan at that level e.g an outcome I'd like to 
>> achieve the next quarter, the next second quarter, the next year, you get 
>> the idea, etc...
>>
>> - and finally of course, :-), custom 

[MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[Senthil Sundaram]

Custom fields and ability to filter / group using it would be awesome 
It will take MLO to the next level

On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 23:57:10 UTC-7 patricio...@gmail.com wrote:

> hi All, sharing some ideas here too, mainly thought for MLO Windows 
> version:
>
> - there should a simple/easy shortcut for switching through 'completed 
> task hidden', 'old completed task hidden', 'completed task shown' (probably 
> easy to implement, and high value added type of feature) note: I solved it 
> since I use autohotkey, so found a way to toggle that setting through the 
> keyboard.
>
> - filters available at the top in the toolbar section, ideally fully 
> customizable which filters you can have there OR make columns name filters 
> (like in Excel, that would be super powerful!), but at min the ability to 
> filter by 'due date', 'importance', 'goal', 'status', 'context' would be 
> super productive. (I know you can set them from the Advance filters 
> feature, but the ability to have handy at just 1-click would make a huge 
> difference)
>
> - ability to change 'status' field values from the main view (like you can 
> change due date) without the need to go to the properties panel on the 
> right. <-- generalizing this: any field that have a list of predefine 
> values should be possible to be updated from the main view
>
> - status field available in any task w/o the need to make it a project.
>
> - 'Group by' popup should probably have a grid (instead of the current 
> controls), such that you can easily move up/down the fields you want to 
> group by, that would be much easier to set up and update as needed. Even 
> with the grid you can keep the limit of only 4 group by levels.
>
> - warning, game changer idea :-), a calendar view, I know and use the 
> ability to sync up with Google Calendar, it works like a charm indeed, 
> bi-directional update, just amazing, I agree, BUT, I think having a 
> built-in calendar view would take the app to the next level well beyond 
> competitors, this is the idea:
> -- first the basic features you 'would expect' in any calendar view:
> --- a section on the calendar page from where you can see your list of 
> tasks, such that you can drop into the calendar the ones you want
> --- ability to drag and drop tasks from any day/time to another day/time
> --- the 'typical' day/weekly/monthly views
> --- ability to filter the tasks as you can do in the existing views <-- 
> this is the big difference / value add in comparison to use Google 
> Calendar, meaning Google Calendar is great, but you can't take advantage of 
> all the MLO filtering features, that's why a built-in calendar in MLO would 
> be simply awesome
> -- NEW (AND IMHO HIGH VALUE ADDED) IDEA:
> --- when you drop a task (either from the backlog, or move one that was 
> already in the calendar) into a time slot that already had a task, a domino 
> effect is triggered that would move the tasks sequentially:
> any existing tasks that were already in the calendar on the same time slot 
> would moved automatically. e.g. if I have a task that goes from 2pm to 3pm, 
> and place in that same slot a 30 mins task at 2pm, then the existing one 
> would automatically move to 2:30 to 3:30pm, same would happen with any task 
> that was after 3:30, basically when you place a task in the calendar (or 
> move an existing one) you create a domino effect...(that's not available in 
> any calendar app I have tried so far). tasks that fall from Day 1 would 
> automatically move to Day 2, etc
> --- ability to control the 'domino effect': flag available at the task 
> level to keep the task unchanged if you place another task in that same 
> slot, or by tasks moved due to the domino effect. Basically (it could be by 
> default) each task has a flag that protects from being automatically moved 
> by the domino effect, but you have the option to uncheck that protection 
> such that the domino effect will move it. Real life example, you plan 3 
> things for day 1, ('enjoy time with the family', 'go running', and 'study 
> machine learning'), and you only complete the first 2, so you move 'study 
> machine learning' to day 2 where you already had tasks planned, those tasks 
> that were already in day 2 are automatically pushed down based on the 
> duration assigned to 'study machine learning' and the time slot you place 
> it.
> -- another neat feature would be to have Quarterly/Yearly/Next N Years 
> views that allow you to plan at that level e.g an outcome I'd like to 
> achieve the next quarter, the next second quarter, the next year, you get 
> the idea, etc...
>
> - and finally of course, :-), custom fields, it was already asked by many 
> people already, so +1. Ability to create custom fields of different types 
> (dates, list of text, list of numbers), then able to filter and/or group 
> using the custom fields. Custom fields on top of existing MLO features 
> would simply be 'rock and roll baby!' :-)
>
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 

[MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[gijs...@gmail.com]

Some more ideas:
- For recurring tasts, be able to set only the starting date but no due 
date.
- Edit all tasks fields directly in the task list window.
- Be able to have a tag that allows to be shown in the today window as well.

Thanks

We support you un the Ukraine!


onsdag 4 maj 2022 kl. 02:44:40 UTC+2 skrev kunk...@gmail.com:

> I had submitted one of these feature requests in the past; but will repost 
> it:
>
> **Option to make task defer to parent's notes.*  
> What I mean is that, I like my parent folder to have all my case notes 
> (phone logs, observation notes, etc).  The parent folder has many 
> subtasks.  Those subtasks are simple todos though -- they *never *have 
> notes.  So if one of those subtasks is currently selected, the notes pane 
> should display the notes for its parent folder.  This would be a task-level 
> option; not an outline-level option.  I can explain more if it helps.  
>
> **Only one folder from this branch can be expanded at a time. *
> If I have many folders, or subfolders, of the same level (i.e. all 
> siblings of the same branch), then only one of them can be expanded at a 
> time.  If I expand one, the other one collapses automatically.  This would 
> be an outline-level setting.  It would have to be easy to turn this setting 
> on and off.  
>
> **Rich Text in Notes.  *
> I tried getting used to Markdown, but it just doesn't work for me.  I need 
> to be able to *edit *the notes and *see *them at the same time. 
>
> Thanks for considering.  
>
> *Stay Strong Ukraine!!!*
>-steve
>

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Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[Sebastian Martín Aguilar]

Agree with the scripting capabilities!!

On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 8:09:05 AM UTC b.ca...@gmail.com wrote:

> Mark me down as one customer who would never, repeat never, enter into a 
> subscription agreement for MLO. I would simply continue using it at 
> whatever level it had risen to prior to that move.
>
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2022, 4:14 PM ford@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> Another vote for scripting! That would be huge. The amounts of extra 
>> features MLO would get is insane
>>
>> For example the first thing I would try to build is a tool to allow MLO 
>> to communicate both ways with Airtable & Coda.io (task hierarchy included).
>>
>>
>> Il giorno giovedì 25 agosto 2022 alle 23:09:37 UTC+2 
>> ma...@agilepainrelief.com ha scritto:
>>
>>> Just for fun Pixelmator has gone to subscription:
>>>
>>> https://www.pixelmator.com/blog/2022/08/18/why-pixelmator-photo-is-switching-to-subscription-pricing-and-a-sneak-peek-at-pixelmator-photo-for-mac/
>>>
>>> an end users reaction:
>>> https://www.bythom.com/newsviews/how-to-respect-users.html - yes the 
>>> comments make it clear that not everyone is happy. I just thought it would 
>>> be interesting to see the changing landscape.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 4:44 PM Mark Levison  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Jeff - observe Andrey (whom I like) has never once taken a suggestion 
 from me in the many many years I've been here.

 That said

 On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 2:02 PM Jeff Smith  wrote:

> I finally upgraded on release 5, hoping it would help both them and 
> me... and maybe I would do a subscription but only if they finally 
> organize 
> how to change this base structure to accommodate API and scripting. But 
> why 
> would they do that after more than 10 years of ignoring the requests? 
> Shoot 
> they didn't even have resources to make a proper version for Apple 
> computers.
>
 ...if we had subscriptions then Andrey could afford to pay another 
 person to work on an ongoing basis to pay for continuous improvements.

 Fantastical sends me a new version every few weeks. 
 Evernote updates every week (or two).
 Drafts - new features frequently.

 Whereas I've paid for Alfred the old fashioned way and it updates 
 rarely.

 Cheers
 Mark

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Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[B Campag]

Mark me down as one customer who would never, repeat never, enter into a
subscription agreement for MLO. I would simply continue using it at
whatever level it had risen to prior to that move.

On Mon, Oct 3, 2022, 4:14 PM ford@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Another vote for scripting! That would be huge. The amounts of extra
> features MLO would get is insane
>
> For example the first thing I would try to build is a tool to allow MLO to
> communicate both ways with Airtable & Coda.io (task hierarchy included).
>
>
> Il giorno giovedì 25 agosto 2022 alle 23:09:37 UTC+2
> ma...@agilepainrelief.com ha scritto:
>
>> Just for fun Pixelmator has gone to subscription:
>>
>> https://www.pixelmator.com/blog/2022/08/18/why-pixelmator-photo-is-switching-to-subscription-pricing-and-a-sneak-peek-at-pixelmator-photo-for-mac/
>>
>> an end users reaction:
>> https://www.bythom.com/newsviews/how-to-respect-users.html - yes the
>> comments make it clear that not everyone is happy. I just thought it would
>> be interesting to see the changing landscape.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mark
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 4:44 PM Mark Levison 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff - observe Andrey (whom I like) has never once taken a suggestion
>>> from me in the many many years I've been here.
>>>
>>> That said
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 2:02 PM Jeff Smith  wrote:
>>>
 I finally upgraded on release 5, hoping it would help both them and
 me... and maybe I would do a subscription but only if they finally organize
 how to change this base structure to accommodate API and scripting. But why
 would they do that after more than 10 years of ignoring the requests? Shoot
 they didn't even have resources to make a proper version for Apple
 computers.

>>> ...if we had subscriptions then Andrey could afford to pay another
>>> person to work on an ongoing basis to pay for continuous improvements.
>>>
>>> Fantastical sends me a new version every few weeks.
>>> Evernote updates every week (or two).
>>> Drafts - new features frequently.
>>>
>>> Whereas I've paid for Alfred the old fashioned way and it updates rarely.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Mark
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[ford....@gmail.com]

Another vote for scripting! That would be huge. The amounts of extra 
features MLO would get is insane

For example the first thing I would try to build is a tool to allow MLO to 
communicate both ways with Airtable & Coda.io (task hierarchy included).


Il giorno giovedì 25 agosto 2022 alle 23:09:37 UTC+2 
ma...@agilepainrelief.com ha scritto:

> Just for fun Pixelmator has gone to subscription:
>
> https://www.pixelmator.com/blog/2022/08/18/why-pixelmator-photo-is-switching-to-subscription-pricing-and-a-sneak-peek-at-pixelmator-photo-for-mac/
>
> an end users reaction:
> https://www.bythom.com/newsviews/how-to-respect-users.html - yes the 
> comments make it clear that not everyone is happy. I just thought it would 
> be interesting to see the changing landscape.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 4:44 PM Mark Levison  
> wrote:
>
>> Jeff - observe Andrey (whom I like) has never once taken a suggestion 
>> from me in the many many years I've been here.
>>
>> That said
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 2:02 PM Jeff Smith  wrote:
>>
>>> I finally upgraded on release 5, hoping it would help both them and 
>>> me... and maybe I would do a subscription but only if they finally organize 
>>> how to change this base structure to accommodate API and scripting. But why 
>>> would they do that after more than 10 years of ignoring the requests? Shoot 
>>> they didn't even have resources to make a proper version for Apple 
>>> computers.
>>>
>> ...if we had subscriptions then Andrey could afford to pay another person 
>> to work on an ongoing basis to pay for continuous improvements.
>>
>> Fantastical sends me a new version every few weeks. 
>> Evernote updates every week (or two).
>> Drafts - new features frequently.
>>
>> Whereas I've paid for Alfred the old fashioned way and it updates rarely.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mark
>>
>
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Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[Mark Levison]

Just for fun Pixelmator has gone to subscription:
https://www.pixelmator.com/blog/2022/08/18/why-pixelmator-photo-is-switching-to-subscription-pricing-and-a-sneak-peek-at-pixelmator-photo-for-mac/

an end users reaction:
https://www.bythom.com/newsviews/how-to-respect-users.html - yes the
comments make it clear that not everyone is happy. I just thought it would
be interesting to see the changing landscape.

Cheers
Mark

On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 4:44 PM Mark Levison 
wrote:

> Jeff - observe Andrey (whom I like) has never once taken a suggestion from
> me in the many many years I've been here.
>
> That said
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 2:02 PM Jeff Smith  wrote:
>
>> I finally upgraded on release 5, hoping it would help both them and me...
>> and maybe I would do a subscription but only if they finally organize how
>> to change this base structure to accommodate API and scripting. But why
>> would they do that after more than 10 years of ignoring the requests? Shoot
>> they didn't even have resources to make a proper version for Apple
>> computers.
>>
> ...if we had subscriptions then Andrey could afford to pay another person
> to work on an ongoing basis to pay for continuous improvements.
>
> Fantastical sends me a new version every few weeks.
> Evernote updates every week (or two).
> Drafts - new features frequently.
>
> Whereas I've paid for Alfred the old fashioned way and it updates rarely.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>


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Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[Mark Levison]

Jeff - observe Andrey (whom I like) has never once taken a suggestion from
me in the many many years I've been here.

That said

On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 2:02 PM Jeff Smith  wrote:

> I finally upgraded on release 5, hoping it would help both them and me...
> and maybe I would do a subscription but only if they finally organize how
> to change this base structure to accommodate API and scripting. But why
> would they do that after more than 10 years of ignoring the requests? Shoot
> they didn't even have resources to make a proper version for Apple
> computers.
>
...if we had subscriptions then Andrey could afford to pay another person
to work on an ongoing basis to pay for continuous improvements.

Fantastical sends me a new version every few weeks.
Evernote updates every week (or two).
Drafts - new features frequently.

Whereas I've paid for Alfred the old fashioned way and it updates rarely.

Cheers
Mark

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Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[Jeff Smith]

Trust me Hammy, nobody is likening MLO to QuickBooks and that's not
necessarily a good thing.
Still I don't think going to a subscription model would be wrong, I just
don't think people would reasonably agree to do it because, well, after
more than 13 years of this I just don't see what has improved enough to be
worth paying for every version. MLO understands because they are not like
Adobe in any way, so they honor my decision when I stayed on ver 2.0 (or
2.5) for 10 years.

I finally upgraded on release 5, hoping it would help both them and me...
and maybe I would do a subscription but only if they finally organize how
to change this base structure to accommodate API and scripting. But why
would they do that after more than 10 years of ignoring the requests? Shoot
they didn't even have resources to make a proper version for Apple
computers.


On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 8:36 AM 'Hammy Havoc' via MyLifeOrganized <
mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Alarmist nonsense. To liken MLO to Adobe or QuickBooks is bizarre. Adobe
> makes a huge suite of products with an almost $16bn annual revenue, and
> QuickBooks makes almost $10bn, and are a literal standard, regardless of
> what you may think about it.
>
> I'm sure something as simple as a shared list with permissions can be
> implemented without losing any kind of functionality.
>
> It's as simple as a displaying a second profile within the UI, and using
> metadata to dictate permissions.
>
> If you think "this sharing phenomenon" is a gimmick then clearly you've
> been living under a rock and have never used a project management system in
> the last 20 years, or any of the modern day GTD apps that feature shared
> lists. Even Microsoft To Do and Apple's Reminders feature shared lists, and
> they're free and available in the OOBE on any modern-day device.
>
> On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 3:25:43 PM UTC+1 westpo...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Agreed.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t like them either, mostly because I always feel that if the
>> developer stops development for any reason (including retirement), I’m left
>> with nothing.  Also, by now everyone has experienced software that’s taken
>> a big step BACKWARD.  E.g. this “sharing phenomenon”, which I always
>> thought a waste of time, has often resulted in dropping features.  The most
>> blatant example I know is Adobe Photoshop Lightroom.  I’ve used the same
>> version for 6+ years.  When I looked at the new Adobe Cloud that Adobe
>> raves about, literally half the features were gone.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ditto for Quickbooks.  I went from desktop to cloud…then called and
>> cancelled my cloud, in favor of the feature-rich version I had been using.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thus, I can foresee the day when I read…”You can now have shared MLO
>> lists for team work!”, but with it gone is advanced filtering, gone are
>> hourly contexts, gone are text tags.
>>
>>
>>
>> Take Care,
>>
>>
>>
>> *Michael Emerald, CFA*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Performance Business Design*
>>
>> Owner, Business Strategy Consultant
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* 'bs' via MyLifeOrganized 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 7, 2022 09:56
>> *To:* MyLifeOrganized 
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree. I am not a fan of subscription models...especially for
>> standalone software. I'd rather pay once at retain ownership. I'm happy to
>> pay for upgrades. As I approach retirement, this becomes even more
>> important to me. I want to retain capabilities that I have had.
>>
>> -Moirty
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 1:42:34 PM UTC-7 bmwe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I personally hate the subscription model for apps and it is a huge
>> deterrent for me when selecting whether or not to use something. I feel
>> like I am already doing it with the cloud sync subsription, which makes
>> some sense because there is ongoing infrastructure costs involved, and I am
>> willing to pay for significant updates. I understand it is a more
>> remunerative model for developers, but you will definitely lose customers
>> going that way. As for the spiel about getting more updates, I personally
>> don't see a huge amount more updating with software that I'm forced to rent
>> instead of buy, and it actually seems to me if anything that the old update
>> model creates more motivation to create meaningful updates that people are
>> willing to pay for. If for financial reasons MLO went entirely
>> subscription-based, I'd probably sign up because I'm a long-time user and
&g

Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

['Hammy Havoc' via MyLifeOrganized]

Alarmist nonsense. To liken MLO to Adobe or QuickBooks is bizarre. Adobe 
makes a huge suite of products with an almost $16bn annual revenue, and 
QuickBooks makes almost $10bn, and are a literal standard, regardless of 
what you may think about it.

I'm sure something as simple as a shared list with permissions can be 
implemented without losing any kind of functionality.

It's as simple as a displaying a second profile within the UI, and using 
metadata to dictate permissions.

If you think "this sharing phenomenon" is a gimmick then clearly you've 
been living under a rock and have never used a project management system in 
the last 20 years, or any of the modern day GTD apps that feature shared 
lists. Even Microsoft To Do and Apple's Reminders feature shared lists, and 
they're free and available in the OOBE on any modern-day device.

On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 3:25:43 PM UTC+1 westpo...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Agreed.  
>
>  
>
> I don’t like them either, mostly because I always feel that if the 
> developer stops development for any reason (including retirement), I’m left 
> with nothing.  Also, by now everyone has experienced software that’s taken 
> a big step BACKWARD.  E.g. this “sharing phenomenon”, which I always 
> thought a waste of time, has often resulted in dropping features.  The most 
> blatant example I know is Adobe Photoshop Lightroom.  I’ve used the same 
> version for 6+ years.  When I looked at the new Adobe Cloud that Adobe 
> raves about, literally half the features were gone.
>
>  
>
> Ditto for Quickbooks.  I went from desktop to cloud…then called and 
> cancelled my cloud, in favor of the feature-rich version I had been using.
>
>  
>
> Thus, I can foresee the day when I read…”You can now have shared MLO lists 
> for team work!”, but with it gone is advanced filtering, gone are hourly 
> contexts, gone are text tags.
>
>  
>
> Take Care,
>
>  
>
> *Michael Emerald, CFA*
>
>  
>
> *Performance Business Design*
>
> Owner, Business Strategy Consultant
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'bs' via MyLifeOrganized  
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 7, 2022 09:56
> *To:* MyLifeOrganized 
>
> *Subject:* Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...
>
>  
>
> I agree. I am not a fan of subscription models...especially for standalone 
> software. I'd rather pay once at retain ownership. I'm happy to pay for 
> upgrades. As I approach retirement, this becomes even more important to me. 
> I want to retain capabilities that I have had.
>
> -Moirty
>
>  
>
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 1:42:34 PM UTC-7 bmwe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I personally hate the subscription model for apps and it is a huge 
> deterrent for me when selecting whether or not to use something. I feel 
> like I am already doing it with the cloud sync subsription, which makes 
> some sense because there is ongoing infrastructure costs involved, and I am 
> willing to pay for significant updates. I understand it is a more 
> remunerative model for developers, but you will definitely lose customers 
> going that way. As for the spiel about getting more updates, I personally 
> don't see a huge amount more updating with software that I'm forced to rent 
> instead of buy, and it actually seems to me if anything that the old update 
> model creates more motivation to create meaningful updates that people are 
> willing to pay for. If for financial reasons MLO went entirely 
> subscription-based, I'd probably sign up because I'm a long-time user and 
> many, many searches and trials have shown me that while almost everything 
> else looks nicer (mostly talking about Windows), there's nothing out there 
> with a comparable feature set. Just don't piss on my head and tell me it's 
> raining...subscription models are all about generating more (and more 
> steady) income.
>
>  
>
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 5:40:22 AM UTC-7 daniel wrote:
>
> As I pull my hp IpaQ out of the drawer and now try to find the power cord 
> to see if I left MLO on it :)
>
>  
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 3:34 PM imajeff  wrote:
>
> Agreed; I too have used MLO since before there was a version number 
> (syncing with my Microsoft PDA before a smart phone was possible).
>
> Ten years later I thought the difficulty with daily usage would be solved 
> but now, even that was a long time ago and I struggle to maintain tasks. It 
> seems mostly changing what would help me could hinder some other way 
> someone uses it. Internally, it might require much planning plus a big 
> rewrite, but they don't have funding to just hire another team to develop a 
> whole new idea in parallel. Would be like a competition to see who wins 
> becoming the next release (it's what Microsoft has done, and just

RE: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

['Michael Emerald, CFA' via MyLifeOrganized]

Agreed.  

 

I don’t like them either, mostly because I always feel that if the developer 
stops development for any reason (including retirement), I’m left with nothing. 
 Also, by now everyone has experienced software that’s taken a big step 
BACKWARD.  E.g. this “sharing phenomenon”, which I always thought a waste of 
time, has often resulted in dropping features.  The most blatant example I know 
is Adobe Photoshop Lightroom.  I’ve used the same version for 6+ years.  When I 
looked at the new Adobe Cloud that Adobe raves about, literally half the 
features were gone.

 

Ditto for Quickbooks.  I went from desktop to cloud…then called and cancelled 
my cloud, in favor of the feature-rich version I had been using.

 

Thus, I can foresee the day when I read…”You can now have shared MLO lists for 
team work!”, but with it gone is advanced filtering, gone are hourly contexts, 
gone are text tags.

 

Take Care,

 

Michael Emerald, CFA

 

Performance Business Design

Owner, Business Strategy Consultant

 

From: 'bs' via MyLifeOrganized  
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 09:56
To: MyLifeOrganized 
Subject: Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

 

I agree. I am not a fan of subscription models...especially for standalone 
software. I'd rather pay once at retain ownership. I'm happy to pay for 
upgrades. As I approach retirement, this becomes even more important to me. I 
want to retain capabilities that I have had.

-Moirty

 

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 1:42:34 PM UTC-7 bmwe...@gmail.com 
<mailto:bmwe...@gmail.com>  wrote:

I personally hate the subscription model for apps and it is a huge deterrent 
for me when selecting whether or not to use something. I feel like I am already 
doing it with the cloud sync subsription, which makes some sense because there 
is ongoing infrastructure costs involved, and I am willing to pay for 
significant updates. I understand it is a more remunerative model for 
developers, but you will definitely lose customers going that way. As for the 
spiel about getting more updates, I personally don't see a huge amount more 
updating with software that I'm forced to rent instead of buy, and it actually 
seems to me if anything that the old update model creates more motivation to 
create meaningful updates that people are willing to pay for. If for financial 
reasons MLO went entirely subscription-based, I'd probably sign up because I'm 
a long-time user and many, many searches and trials have shown me that while 
almost everything else looks nicer (mostly talking about Windows), there's 
nothing out there with a comparable feature set. Just don't piss on my head and 
tell me it's raining...subscription models are all about generating more (and 
more steady) income.

 

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 5:40:22 AM UTC-7 daniel wrote:

As I pull my hp IpaQ out of the drawer and now try to find the power cord to 
see if I left MLO on it :)

 

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 3:34 PM imajeff mailto:ima...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Agreed; I too have used MLO since before there was a version number (syncing 
with my Microsoft PDA before a smart phone was possible).

Ten years later I thought the difficulty with daily usage would be solved but 
now, even that was a long time ago and I struggle to maintain tasks. It seems 
mostly changing what would help me could hinder some other way someone uses it. 
Internally, it might require much planning plus a big rewrite, but they don't 
have funding to just hire another team to develop a whole new idea in parallel. 
Would be like a competition to see who wins becoming the next release (it's 
what Microsoft has done, and just drop the one that didn't win).

But if they will redo it at least enough to allow some scripting language to 
check and modify things triggered by events, that would be a great start so 
others can help make normal usage work the way they need, sharing the ideas. 
Let's make MLO great again

 

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:48:28 AM UTC-6 daniel wrote:

Mark, That is simply the best description of my MLO usage ever.   I also have 
been around nearly as long.  The 'exact' same thoughts: "Easy to plan with, 
Easy to keep track of everything. Hard to live with on a day to day basis"   
OMG I'm married to MLO!

 

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 8:11 PM Mark Levison mailto:ma...@agilepainrelief.com> > wrote:

@Hienz you’ve just summarized my entire MLO relationship for as long as I’ve 
used the app. Which apparently dates back 17yrs almost to the day.

 

Easy to plan with, Easy to keep track of everything. Hard to live with on a day 
to day basis, which is why I eventually wind up abandoning it every few years.

 

Cheers

Mark - an early user and former forum admin

 

On Friday, 27 May 2022 at 03:06:14 UTC-4 Heinz wrote:

I have been working with MLO for many years now.

My thoughts (mainly) about the desktop version.

 

I love MLO for my task planning.

It is a very versatile planning tool and task organizer.

I love 

Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

['bs' via MyLifeOrganized]

I agree. I am not a fan of subscription models...especially for standalone 
software. I'd rather pay once at retain ownership. I'm happy to pay for 
upgrades. As I approach retirement, this becomes even more important to me. 
I want to retain capabilities that I have had.
-Moirty

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 1:42:34 PM UTC-7 bmwe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I personally hate the subscription model for apps and it is a huge 
> deterrent for me when selecting whether or not to use something. I feel 
> like I am already doing it with the cloud sync subsription, which makes 
> some sense because there is ongoing infrastructure costs involved, and I am 
> willing to pay for significant updates. I understand it is a more 
> remunerative model for developers, but you will definitely lose customers 
> going that way. As for the spiel about getting more updates, I personally 
> don't see a huge amount more updating with software that I'm forced to rent 
> instead of buy, and it actually seems to me if anything that the old update 
> model creates more motivation to create meaningful updates that people are 
> willing to pay for. If for financial reasons MLO went entirely 
> subscription-based, I'd probably sign up because I'm a long-time user and 
> many, many searches and trials have shown me that while almost everything 
> else looks nicer (mostly talking about Windows), there's nothing out there 
> with a comparable feature set. Just don't piss on my head and tell me it's 
> raining...subscription models are all about generating more (and more 
> steady) income.
>
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 5:40:22 AM UTC-7 daniel wrote:
>
>> As I pull my hp IpaQ out of the drawer and now try to find the power cord 
>> to see if I left MLO on it :)
>>
>> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 3:34 PM imajeff  wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed; I too have used MLO since before there was a version number 
>>> (syncing with my Microsoft PDA before a smart phone was possible).
>>> Ten years later I thought the difficulty with daily usage would be 
>>> solved but now, even that was a long time ago and I struggle to maintain 
>>> tasks. It seems mostly changing what would help me could hinder some other 
>>> way someone uses it. Internally, it might require much planning plus a big 
>>> rewrite, but they don't have funding to just hire another team to develop a 
>>> whole new idea in parallel. Would be like a competition to see who wins 
>>> becoming the next release (it's what Microsoft has done, and just drop the 
>>> one that didn't win).
>>>
>>> But if they will redo it at least enough to allow some scripting 
>>> language to check and modify things triggered by events, that would be a 
>>> great start so others can help make normal usage work the way they need, 
>>> sharing the ideas. Let's make MLO great again
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:48:28 AM UTC-6 daniel wrote:
>>>
 Mark, That is simply the best description of my MLO usage ever.   I 
 also have been around nearly as long.  The 'exact' same thoughts: "Easy to 
 plan with, Easy to keep track of everything. Hard to live with on a day to 
 day basis"   OMG I'm married to MLO!

 On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 8:11 PM Mark Levison  
 wrote:

> @Hienz you’ve just summarized my entire MLO relationship for as long 
> as I’ve used the app. Which apparently dates back 17yrs almost to the day.
>
> Easy to plan with, Easy to keep track of everything. Hard to live with 
> on a day to day basis, which is why I eventually wind up abandoning it 
> every few years.
>
> Cheers
> Mark - an early user and former forum admin
>
> On Friday, 27 May 2022 at 03:06:14 UTC-4 Heinz wrote:
>
>> I have been working with MLO for many years now.
>> My thoughts (mainly) about the desktop version.
>>
>> *I love* MLO for my task planning.
>> It is a very versatile planning tool and task organizer.
>> I love the flawless synchronization across all my devices. 
>> I love the different ways of adding tasks to my inbox (task-by-email, 
>> Siri reminders, ...)
>>
>> *I can live* with MLO for my todo lists.
>> I managed to set up a reasonable overview about my upcoming tasks, 
>> using workspaces, views, filters and sorting.
>> My standard view "My Day" shows technically all I need, but it is 
>> neither a nice nor a motivating user interface. 
>> A more attractive wrapping around a list of undone tasks wouldn't 
>> hurt :-)
>>
>> *I am lost* with MLO when "Doing" things.
>> For the tasks I have to do on my computer I would wish MLO could 
>> support me more in focusing at the current task.
>> Maybe the next evolution step of the "Zoom" function?
>> My idea would be something like an always-on-top vertical task 
>> bar/window, showing 
>>
>>- the task I am working on 
>>- the time I have been spending on this task including an alarm  
>>

Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[Radek Pilich]

@Heinz Why don't you use one type of flag or a start icon to mark the tasks 
you are currently working on? Won't that do for you what you are looking 
for?

On Friday, 27 May 2022 at 09:06:14 UTC+2 Heinz wrote:

> I have been working with MLO for many years now.
> My thoughts (mainly) about the desktop version.
>
> *I love* MLO for my task planning.
> It is a very versatile planning tool and task organizer.
> I love the flawless synchronization across all my devices. 
> I love the different ways of adding tasks to my inbox (task-by-email, Siri 
> reminders, ...)
>
> *I can live* with MLO for my todo lists.
> I managed to set up a reasonable overview about my upcoming tasks, using 
> workspaces, views, filters and sorting.
> My standard view "My Day" shows technically all I need, but it is neither 
> a nice nor a motivating user interface. 
> A more attractive wrapping around a list of undone tasks wouldn't hurt :-)
>
> *I am lost* with MLO when "Doing" things.
> For the tasks I have to do on my computer I would wish MLO could support 
> me more in focusing at the current task.
> Maybe the next evolution step of the "Zoom" function?
> My idea would be something like an always-on-top vertical task bar/window, 
> showing 
>
>- the task I am working on 
>- the time I have been spending on this task including an alarm  
>(pomodoro technique) 
>- a plain notes field for quickly putting down ideas, next steps or 
>links without diverting my focus to a separate tool.
>
> Today I try to bridge this gap by using a desktop notes program in 
> parallel, but I have to copy my notes back and forth to MLO.
>
> blandoca...@gmail.com schrieb am Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2022 um 17:23:08 
> UTC+2:
>
>>
>> The only thing that i miss in MLO is a sort of drag and drop task to 
>> schedule them in a calendar view in the same manner of google task/ google 
>> calendar or Microsoft to do/Outlook calendar
>>
>> Is very handy for week planning and instead of a list of number you can 
>> easily visually see correlation between planned task/event and the time 
>> that they "fill"
>>
>> I would like to see also a "day remaining counter" in columnsi know 
>> is already possible to see them moving mouse over due date, but a dedicated 
>> column would be great to see them all at a glance
>>
>> Thanks!!
>> On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 20:54:45 UTC+2 daniel wrote:
>>
>>> THIS!
>>>
>>> So many times I think I must have missed the click, only to then find I 
>>> did occurrences into the future
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 12:49 PM imajeff  wrote:
>>>
 A relatively simple improvement is to make some visible indication on 
 the check box the moment you click to complete a recurring task.
 Many times especially when I was new at this, I would click the task, 
 see nothing happen, and click it again several times (it is actually 
 normal 
 for me to either have trouble with my mouse button, or operating system 
 not 
 responding).
 Slowly I realize that I have now completed furture occurrences clear 
 into next year but of course I was only trying to complete the current one!

 Please make some kind of animation to indicate the recurrence coming 
 back, or at least show the check mark for a limited time to show that it 
 acknowledged my click!  Yes I am aware that if you are watching someplace 
 else on the screen and remember what the due date said then you would see 
 a 
 change to know, but obviously that will not do for this feature request. 
 We 
 were not looking over there most of the time; just make the actual 
 checkbox 
 do something.

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Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[Hammy Havoc]

Something I'd like to see: automatic routing/action rules based on sender 
or subject in Task By Email on the cloud portion.

E.g. I receive an email from my partner to sort something on the house, it 
goes to the relevant list. Todoist can set due date etc via email. 
https://todoist.com/help/articles/forwarding-emails-to-todoist

I also think that in 2022, 2-factor authentication is an absolute must for 
the cloud portion of MLO. Whilst I don't expect to be compromised, and I 
follow good password hygiene by not reusing passwords, I bet a good chunk 
of users don't.

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 8:59:07 PM UTC+1 bs wrote:

>
>1. My #1 request is, hands down, to add a field for tracking 
>delegates. I envision this field to be very similar to the context field. 
>The user defines the names and can rearrange or alphabetize them. Multiple 
>selections are possible. For anyone that manages people, this is critical. 
>I've used the context field as a workaround for more than 15 years. It's 
>passable but not ideal. Solving this one shortcoming would enable interest 
>by a host of potential new users. [Sorry, Andrey. I know I must sound like 
>a broken record.]
>
>Everything else is very much secondary. Lots of good, innovative ideas 
>here and in the blog responses.
>
>2. Modernize the interface with fast adapting to changes. I find 
>myself tweaking things frequently as I move my laptop from desktop to 
>laptop and back. Scaling fonts, better column sizing algorithm, etc. would 
>really improve the field. Themes are not sufficient. 
>3. Ability to have multiple views of the same file opened in 
>different, independent windows (with full functionality for the properties 
>pane, etc). Win11s new snap functionality enables lots of view options.
>4. I'm not a markdown fan. Rich text and ability to drag/drop graphics 
>would be great. I understand this is a big change and not likely this 
> round.
>5. Automatically replicate views and workspaces across platforms.
>
> Wish the entire MLO team all the best. Stay safe, friends.
>
> -bs
> On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 2:35:15 PM UTC-7 Stéph wrote:
>
>> Hello mv1. Nothing in this discussion thread (or the whole forum, for 
>> that matter) is confirmed as a development target for the MLO team. These 
>> are all users' feedback and views. The MLO team have never shared 
>> development plans or schedules - I guess because they don't want to build 
>> expectations and then disappoint.
>>
>> Stéphane
>>
>> On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 15:53:40 UTC+1 mv1...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I know that the MLO team as far more important things to deal with right 
>>> now but since that MLO6 thread keeps on popping, I was wondering if it was 
>>> only a MLO6 idea or if there was some more concrete timeline for it? Like 
>>> what stage are we at? Concept, Alpha, Beta?
>>>
>>> Le jeudi 2 juin 2022 à 12 h 06 min 51 s UTC-4, Mark Levison a écrit :
>>>
 A few details that may help:
 - All of the apps I've seen keep the current "pro" level features free 
 forever
 - You can always stop paying and then the app reverts to the 
 free version
 - I've only been using Fantastical for 6 months, but am amazed at the 
 rate new features appear. They now have a whole calendly like product 
 built 
 into fantastical - so my subscription to one product saves me the cost of 
 another
 - The Android and iOS apps have always seemed to suffer because they 
 only get sporadic love, a steady revenue stream would allow Andrey to put 
 consistent effort into them, which should speed the product cycle.
 - I feel by paying a small subscription I ensure the developer has an 
 incentive to keep the app going forever vs the apps I've seen where I pay 
 $10 once and bugs are never fixed or worse the app goes away (my workout 
 tracking app_

 (I'm sure some of my viewpoint comes from my professional work where 
 I'm clients do Continuous Delivery and Continuous Discovery)

 Cheers
 Mark

>>>

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Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

['bs' via MyLifeOrganized]

   
   1. My #1 request is, hands down, to add a field for tracking delegates. 
   I envision this field to be very similar to the context field. The user 
   defines the names and can rearrange or alphabetize them. Multiple 
   selections are possible. For anyone that manages people, this is critical. 
   I've used the context field as a workaround for more than 15 years. It's 
   passable but not ideal. Solving this one shortcoming would enable interest 
   by a host of potential new users. [Sorry, Andrey. I know I must sound like 
   a broken record.]
   
   Everything else is very much secondary. Lots of good, innovative ideas 
   here and in the blog responses.
   
   2. Modernize the interface with fast adapting to changes. I find myself 
   tweaking things frequently as I move my laptop from desktop to laptop and 
   back. Scaling fonts, better column sizing algorithm, etc. would really 
   improve the field. Themes are not sufficient. 
   3. Ability to have multiple views of the same file opened in different, 
   independent windows (with full functionality for the properties pane, etc). 
   Win11s new snap functionality enables lots of view options.
   4. I'm not a markdown fan. Rich text and ability to drag/drop graphics 
   would be great. I understand this is a big change and not likely this round.
   5. Automatically replicate views and workspaces across platforms.

Wish the entire MLO team all the best. Stay safe, friends.

-bs
On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 2:35:15 PM UTC-7 Stéph wrote:

> Hello mv1. Nothing in this discussion thread (or the whole forum, for that 
> matter) is confirmed as a development target for the MLO team. These are 
> all users' feedback and views. The MLO team have never shared development 
> plans or schedules - I guess because they don't want to build expectations 
> and then disappoint.
>
> Stéphane
>
> On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 15:53:40 UTC+1 mv1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I know that the MLO team as far more important things to deal with right 
>> now but since that MLO6 thread keeps on popping, I was wondering if it was 
>> only a MLO6 idea or if there was some more concrete timeline for it? Like 
>> what stage are we at? Concept, Alpha, Beta?
>>
>> Le jeudi 2 juin 2022 à 12 h 06 min 51 s UTC-4, Mark Levison a écrit :
>>
>>> A few details that may help:
>>> - All of the apps I've seen keep the current "pro" level features free 
>>> forever
>>> - You can always stop paying and then the app reverts to the free version
>>> - I've only been using Fantastical for 6 months, but am amazed at the 
>>> rate new features appear. They now have a whole calendly like product built 
>>> into fantastical - so my subscription to one product saves me the cost of 
>>> another
>>> - The Android and iOS apps have always seemed to suffer because they 
>>> only get sporadic love, a steady revenue stream would allow Andrey to put 
>>> consistent effort into them, which should speed the product cycle.
>>> - I feel by paying a small subscription I ensure the developer has an 
>>> incentive to keep the app going forever vs the apps I've seen where I pay 
>>> $10 once and bugs are never fixed or worse the app goes away (my workout 
>>> tracking app_
>>>
>>> (I'm sure some of my viewpoint comes from my professional work where I'm 
>>> clients do Continuous Delivery and Continuous Discovery)
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Mark
>>>
>>

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Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[Stéph]

Hello mv1. Nothing in this discussion thread (or the whole forum, for that 
matter) is confirmed as a development target for the MLO team. These are 
all users' feedback and views. The MLO team have never shared development 
plans or schedules - I guess because they don't want to build expectations 
and then disappoint.

Stéphane

On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 15:53:40 UTC+1 mv1...@gmail.com wrote:

> I know that the MLO team as far more important things to deal with right 
> now but since that MLO6 thread keeps on popping, I was wondering if it was 
> only a MLO6 idea or if there was some more concrete timeline for it? Like 
> what stage are we at? Concept, Alpha, Beta?
>
> Le jeudi 2 juin 2022 à 12 h 06 min 51 s UTC-4, Mark Levison a écrit :
>
>> A few details that may help:
>> - All of the apps I've seen keep the current "pro" level features free 
>> forever
>> - You can always stop paying and then the app reverts to the free version
>> - I've only been using Fantastical for 6 months, but am amazed at the 
>> rate new features appear. They now have a whole calendly like product built 
>> into fantastical - so my subscription to one product saves me the cost of 
>> another
>> - The Android and iOS apps have always seemed to suffer because they only 
>> get sporadic love, a steady revenue stream would allow Andrey to put 
>> consistent effort into them, which should speed the product cycle.
>> - I feel by paying a small subscription I ensure the developer has an 
>> incentive to keep the app going forever vs the apps I've seen where I pay 
>> $10 once and bugs are never fixed or worse the app goes away (my workout 
>> tracking app_
>>
>> (I'm sure some of my viewpoint comes from my professional work where I'm 
>> clients do Continuous Delivery and Continuous Discovery)
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mark
>>
>

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Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[mv1...@gmail.com]

I know that the MLO team as far more important things to deal with right 
now but since that MLO6 thread keeps on popping, I was wondering if it was 
only a MLO6 idea or if there was some more concrete timeline for it? Like 
what stage are we at? Concept, Alpha, Beta?

Le jeudi 2 juin 2022 à 12 h 06 min 51 s UTC-4, Mark Levison a écrit :

> A few details that may help:
> - All of the apps I've seen keep the current "pro" level features free 
> forever
> - You can always stop paying and then the app reverts to the free version
> - I've only been using Fantastical for 6 months, but am amazed at the rate 
> new features appear. They now have a whole calendly like product built into 
> fantastical - so my subscription to one product saves me the cost of another
> - The Android and iOS apps have always seemed to suffer because they only 
> get sporadic love, a steady revenue stream would allow Andrey to put 
> consistent effort into them, which should speed the product cycle.
> - I feel by paying a small subscription I ensure the developer has an 
> incentive to keep the app going forever vs the apps I've seen where I pay 
> $10 once and bugs are never fixed or worse the app goes away (my workout 
> tracking app_
>
> (I'm sure some of my viewpoint comes from my professional work where I'm 
> clients do Continuous Delivery and Continuous Discovery)
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>

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Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[Mark Levison]

A few details that may help:
- All of the apps I've seen keep the current "pro" level features free
forever
- You can always stop paying and then the app reverts to the free version
- I've only been using Fantastical for 6 months, but am amazed at the rate
new features appear. They now have a whole calendly like product built into
fantastical - so my subscription to one product saves me the cost of another
- The Android and iOS apps have always seemed to suffer because they only
get sporadic love, a steady revenue stream would allow Andrey to put
consistent effort into them, which should speed the product cycle.
- I feel by paying a small subscription I ensure the developer has an
incentive to keep the app going forever vs the apps I've seen where I pay
$10 once and bugs are never fixed or worse the app goes away (my workout
tracking app_

(I'm sure some of my viewpoint comes from my professional work where I'm
clients do Continuous Delivery and Continuous Discovery)

Cheers
Mark

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Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[mv1...@gmail.com]

The version/upgrade vs subscription model is complex. On one end you may 
have a developer that may not get enough money for his hard work and on the 
other end the user can end-up being help hostage by the software. I don't 
mind the subscription model for Spotify, Netflix etc... Because if I stop 
using that service, I don't loose much, beside the ability to listen or 
watch something. If that new hot series comes around, I get back onto the 
train and that it, I just have to start paying again and that's it. I don't 
have to spend hundreds of hours setting up things like a task manager. For 
a "life critical" software, it is different. Let me share my journey with a 
budget software (YNAB)

In August 2012 I bought a licence for $60. The software was so well written 
that in July 2022, It will be my 120th month of usage for an owning cost of 
$0.50/month. Of course that too low to have any developer live on that. If 
instead of going with the subscription model I don't remember when, they 
would have came up with upgrades, I would certainly have upgraded each year 
for let's say $40. So ownership cost : $60 + (9 x $40) = $420

I cannot come-up with a precise comparison since I don't have track of all 
the when and how much but when they started the subscription model, it was 
$6/Month so $72/Year. Just there it was a 20% price increase over the $60 
and at the end of that year your system stops working...unless you keep 
paying $72/Year which is 180% what would have been a let's say $40 upgrade 
fee (That I can buy or not). As of today, the subscription is $14.99/Month 
or $8.25/Month if paid yearly. So now, provided that this price freezes in 
time, the (10) year cost of usage would be 120 x $8.25 = $990. 

Some will remember SalesForce pricing when it started and how they can't 
really bail-out once all their business process is on there after how many 
hours of configuration.

IMO, MLO is currently not using the full upgrade potential. I bought MLO5 
(3) years ago for $60 and never was offered any upgrade, that I would most 
likely purchased, without a knife on my throat.

Michel

Le mercredi 1 juin 2022 à 16 h 42 min 34 s UTC-4, bmwe...@gmail.com a 
écrit :

> I personally hate the subscription model for apps and it is a huge 
> deterrent for me when selecting whether or not to use something. I feel 
> like I am already doing it with the cloud sync subsription, which makes 
> some sense because there is ongoing infrastructure costs involved, and I am 
> willing to pay for significant updates. I understand it is a more 
> remunerative model for developers, but you will definitely lose customers 
> going that way. As for the spiel about getting more updates, I personally 
> don't see a huge amount more updating with software that I'm forced to rent 
> instead of buy, and it actually seems to me if anything that the old update 
> model creates more motivation to create meaningful updates that people are 
> willing to pay for. If for financial reasons MLO went entirely 
> subscription-based, I'd probably sign up because I'm a long-time user and 
> many, many searches and trials have shown me that while almost everything 
> else looks nicer (mostly talking about Windows), there's nothing out there 
> with a comparable feature set. Just don't piss on my head and tell me it's 
> raining...subscription models are all about generating more (and more 
> steady) income.
>
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 5:40:22 AM UTC-7 daniel wrote:
>
>> As I pull my hp IpaQ out of the drawer and now try to find the power cord 
>> to see if I left MLO on it :)
>>
>> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 3:34 PM imajeff  wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed; I too have used MLO since before there was a version number 
>>> (syncing with my Microsoft PDA before a smart phone was possible).
>>> Ten years later I thought the difficulty with daily usage would be 
>>> solved but now, even that was a long time ago and I struggle to maintain 
>>> tasks. It seems mostly changing what would help me could hinder some other 
>>> way someone uses it. Internally, it might require much planning plus a big 
>>> rewrite, but they don't have funding to just hire another team to develop a 
>>> whole new idea in parallel. Would be like a competition to see who wins 
>>> becoming the next release (it's what Microsoft has done, and just drop the 
>>> one that didn't win).
>>>
>>> But if they will redo it at least enough to allow some scripting 
>>> language to check and modify things triggered by events, that would be a 
>>> great start so others can help make normal usage work the way they need, 
>>> sharing the ideas. Let's make MLO great again
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:48:28 AM UTC-6 daniel wrote:
>>>
 Mark, That is simply the best description of my MLO usage ever.   I 
 also have been around nearly as long.  The 'exact' same thoughts: "Easy to 
 plan with, Easy to keep track of everything. Hard to live with on a day to 
 day basis"   OMG I'm 

Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[Brandon Welch]

I personally hate the subscription model for apps and it is a huge 
deterrent for me when selecting whether or not to use something. I feel 
like I am already doing it with the cloud sync subsription, which makes 
some sense because there is ongoing infrastructure costs involved, and I am 
willing to pay for significant updates. I understand it is a more 
remunerative model for developers, but you will definitely lose customers 
going that way. As for the spiel about getting more updates, I personally 
don't see a huge amount more updating with software that I'm forced to rent 
instead of buy, and it actually seems to me if anything that the old update 
model creates more motivation to create meaningful updates that people are 
willing to pay for. If for financial reasons MLO went entirely 
subscription-based, I'd probably sign up because I'm a long-time user and 
many, many searches and trials have shown me that while almost everything 
else looks nicer (mostly talking about Windows), there's nothing out there 
with a comparable feature set. Just don't piss on my head and tell me it's 
raining...subscription models are all about generating more (and more 
steady) income.

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 5:40:22 AM UTC-7 daniel wrote:

> As I pull my hp IpaQ out of the drawer and now try to find the power cord 
> to see if I left MLO on it :)
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 3:34 PM imajeff  wrote:
>
>> Agreed; I too have used MLO since before there was a version number 
>> (syncing with my Microsoft PDA before a smart phone was possible).
>> Ten years later I thought the difficulty with daily usage would be solved 
>> but now, even that was a long time ago and I struggle to maintain tasks. It 
>> seems mostly changing what would help me could hinder some other way 
>> someone uses it. Internally, it might require much planning plus a big 
>> rewrite, but they don't have funding to just hire another team to develop a 
>> whole new idea in parallel. Would be like a competition to see who wins 
>> becoming the next release (it's what Microsoft has done, and just drop the 
>> one that didn't win).
>>
>> But if they will redo it at least enough to allow some scripting language 
>> to check and modify things triggered by events, that would be a great start 
>> so others can help make normal usage work the way they need, sharing the 
>> ideas. Let's make MLO great again
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:48:28 AM UTC-6 daniel wrote:
>>
>>> Mark, That is simply the best description of my MLO usage ever.   I also 
>>> have been around nearly as long.  The 'exact' same thoughts: "Easy to plan 
>>> with, Easy to keep track of everything. Hard to live with on a day to day 
>>> basis"   OMG I'm married to MLO!
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 8:11 PM Mark Levison  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 @Hienz you’ve just summarized my entire MLO relationship for as long as 
 I’ve used the app. Which apparently dates back 17yrs almost to the day.

 Easy to plan with, Easy to keep track of everything. Hard to live with 
 on a day to day basis, which is why I eventually wind up abandoning it 
 every few years.

 Cheers
 Mark - an early user and former forum admin

 On Friday, 27 May 2022 at 03:06:14 UTC-4 Heinz wrote:

> I have been working with MLO for many years now.
> My thoughts (mainly) about the desktop version.
>
> *I love* MLO for my task planning.
> It is a very versatile planning tool and task organizer.
> I love the flawless synchronization across all my devices. 
> I love the different ways of adding tasks to my inbox (task-by-email, 
> Siri reminders, ...)
>
> *I can live* with MLO for my todo lists.
> I managed to set up a reasonable overview about my upcoming tasks, 
> using workspaces, views, filters and sorting.
> My standard view "My Day" shows technically all I need, but it is 
> neither a nice nor a motivating user interface. 
> A more attractive wrapping around a list of undone tasks wouldn't hurt 
> :-)
>
> *I am lost* with MLO when "Doing" things.
> For the tasks I have to do on my computer I would wish MLO could 
> support me more in focusing at the current task.
> Maybe the next evolution step of the "Zoom" function?
> My idea would be something like an always-on-top vertical task 
> bar/window, showing 
>
>- the task I am working on 
>- the time I have been spending on this task including an alarm  
>(pomodoro technique) 
>- a plain notes field for quickly putting down ideas, next steps 
>or links without diverting my focus to a separate tool.
>
> Today I try to bridge this gap by using a desktop notes program in 
> parallel, but I have to copy my notes back and forth to MLO.
>
> blandoca...@gmail.com schrieb am Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2022 um 17:23:08 
> UTC+2:
>
>>
>> The only thing that i miss in MLO is a 

Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[Daniel Sekera]

As I pull my hp IpaQ out of the drawer and now try to find the power cord
to see if I left MLO on it :)

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 3:34 PM imajeff  wrote:

> Agreed; I too have used MLO since before there was a version number
> (syncing with my Microsoft PDA before a smart phone was possible).
> Ten years later I thought the difficulty with daily usage would be solved
> but now, even that was a long time ago and I struggle to maintain tasks. It
> seems mostly changing what would help me could hinder some other way
> someone uses it. Internally, it might require much planning plus a big
> rewrite, but they don't have funding to just hire another team to develop a
> whole new idea in parallel. Would be like a competition to see who wins
> becoming the next release (it's what Microsoft has done, and just drop the
> one that didn't win).
>
> But if they will redo it at least enough to allow some scripting language
> to check and modify things triggered by events, that would be a great start
> so others can help make normal usage work the way they need, sharing the
> ideas. Let's make MLO great again
>
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:48:28 AM UTC-6 daniel wrote:
>
>> Mark, That is simply the best description of my MLO usage ever.   I also
>> have been around nearly as long.  The 'exact' same thoughts: "Easy to plan
>> with, Easy to keep track of everything. Hard to live with on a day to day
>> basis"   OMG I'm married to MLO!
>>
>> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 8:11 PM Mark Levison 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> @Hienz you’ve just summarized my entire MLO relationship for as long as
>>> I’ve used the app. Which apparently dates back 17yrs almost to the day.
>>>
>>> Easy to plan with, Easy to keep track of everything. Hard to live with
>>> on a day to day basis, which is why I eventually wind up abandoning it
>>> every few years.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Mark - an early user and former forum admin
>>>
>>> On Friday, 27 May 2022 at 03:06:14 UTC-4 Heinz wrote:
>>>
 I have been working with MLO for many years now.
 My thoughts (mainly) about the desktop version.

 *I love* MLO for my task planning.
 It is a very versatile planning tool and task organizer.
 I love the flawless synchronization across all my devices.
 I love the different ways of adding tasks to my inbox (task-by-email,
 Siri reminders, ...)

 *I can live* with MLO for my todo lists.
 I managed to set up a reasonable overview about my upcoming tasks,
 using workspaces, views, filters and sorting.
 My standard view "My Day" shows technically all I need, but it is
 neither a nice nor a motivating user interface.
 A more attractive wrapping around a list of undone tasks wouldn't hurt
 :-)

 *I am lost* with MLO when "Doing" things.
 For the tasks I have to do on my computer I would wish MLO could
 support me more in focusing at the current task.
 Maybe the next evolution step of the "Zoom" function?
 My idea would be something like an always-on-top vertical task
 bar/window, showing

- the task I am working on
- the time I have been spending on this task including an alarm
(pomodoro technique)
- a plain notes field for quickly putting down ideas, next steps or
links without diverting my focus to a separate tool.

 Today I try to bridge this gap by using a desktop notes program in
 parallel, but I have to copy my notes back and forth to MLO.

 blandoca...@gmail.com schrieb am Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2022 um 17:23:08
 UTC+2:

>
> The only thing that i miss in MLO is a sort of drag and drop task to
> schedule them in a calendar view in the same manner of google task/ google
> calendar or Microsoft to do/Outlook calendar
>
> Is very handy for week planning and instead of a list of number you
> can easily visually see correlation between planned task/event and the 
> time
> that they "fill"
>
> I would like to see also a "day remaining counter" in columnsi
> know is already possible to see them moving mouse over due date, but a
> dedicated column would be great to see them all at a glance
>
> Thanks!!
> On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 20:54:45 UTC+2 daniel wrote:
>
>> THIS!
>>
>> So many times I think I must have missed the click, only to then find
>> I did occurrences into the future
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 12:49 PM imajeff  wrote:
>>
>>> A relatively simple improvement is to make some visible indication
>>> on the check box the moment you click to complete a recurring task.
>>> Many times especially when I was new at this, I would click the
>>> task, see nothing happen, and click it again several times (it is 
>>> actually
>>> normal for me to either have trouble with my mouse button, or operating
>>> system not responding).
>>> Slowly I realize that I have now completed furture 

Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[Mark Levison]

I promised to follow-up with the Flexibits story - I heard it on John
Gruber's podcast: https://daringfireball.net/thetalkshow/2022/04/30/ep-345
although the one on Launched:
https://launchedfm.com/episodes/41-Fantastical-MichaelSimmons might be more
focused.

FWIW The Flexibits apps very very cool.

Cheers
Mark

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Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[Martin.G]

Mark has a great idea with the subscription model, for all the reasons he 
stated.  I have often wondered how app developers survive if they rely on 
one-off purchases so the suggestion is not at all heretical, just seems 
like common sense.  Over the many years I have been a user the average cost 
of updates would have been no more than a few dollars per year ($10?  $15?) 
and I would happily switch to that instead of paying for a new version 
every 2-3 years.

Martin

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 9:31:59 AM UTC+12 Mark Levison wrote:

> Good to see all the old timers crawl out of the woodwork. I'm going to 
> offer a suggestion that appears alot of the Mac world at the moment that 
> would help Andrey and in the long run help us.
>
> Switching to a subscription model. Many iOS apps have done this in the 
> past few years to provide a stable income stream for their creators and 
> steady stream.
>
> Benefits:
> - Steady income allows the app developer to keep people on staff
> - Features can be released as it's useful and not a big bang i.e. v5 or 6 
> - where if you don't get your feature in that release you wait another 
> 12-18 mth release cycle
>
> Others who have done the same transition gave existing app owners, 
> permanent access to all existing features. One app (either Drafts or 
> Fantastical), simply made all existing "Pro" features free and then the 
> subscription unlocked the new features. There were other safeguards put in 
> place, but the key idea is existing users didn't lose anything,
>
> Greg Pierce (of Drafts), discussed his journey on the MacPowerUsers 
> Podcast: https://www.relay.fm/mpu/639
>
> When I find the interview with the Fantastical founder I will share.
>
> I know for some this is hersey and so Andrey will need to reflect 
> carefully. Frankly I think it's Andrey's path to long term sustainability. 
> I would even give up my free license that I won years ago and pay for a 
> subscription.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 3:34 PM imajeff  wrote:
>
>> Agreed; I too have used MLO since before there was a version number 
>> (syncing with my Microsoft PDA before a smart phone was possible).
>> Ten years later I thought the difficulty with daily usage would be solved 
>> but now, even that was a long time ago and I struggle to maintain tasks. It 
>> seems mostly changing what would help me could hinder some other way 
>> someone uses it. Internally, it might require much planning plus a big 
>> rewrite, but they don't have funding to just hire another team to develop a 
>> whole new idea in parallel. Would be like a competition to see who wins 
>> becoming the next release (it's what Microsoft has done, and just drop the 
>> one that didn't win).
>>
>> But if they will redo it at least enough to allow some scripting language 
>> to check and modify things triggered by events, that would be a great start 
>> so others can help make normal usage work the way they need, sharing the 
>> ideas. Let's make MLO great again
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:48:28 AM UTC-6 daniel wrote:
>>
>>> Mark, That is simply the best description of my MLO usage ever.   I also 
>>> have been around nearly as long.  The 'exact' same thoughts: "Easy to plan 
>>> with, Easy to keep track of everything. Hard to live with on a day to day 
>>> basis"   OMG I'm married to MLO!
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 8:11 PM Mark Levison  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 @Hienz you’ve just summarized my entire MLO relationship for as long as 
 I’ve used the app. Which apparently dates back 17yrs almost to the day.

 Easy to plan with, Easy to keep track of everything. Hard to live with 
 on a day to day basis, which is why I eventually wind up abandoning it 
 every few years.

 Cheers
 Mark - an early user and former forum admin

>>>

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Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[Mark Levison]

Good to see all the old timers crawl out of the woodwork. I'm going to
offer a suggestion that appears alot of the Mac world at the moment that
would help Andrey and in the long run help us.

Switching to a subscription model. Many iOS apps have done this in the past
few years to provide a stable income stream for their creators and steady
stream.

Benefits:
- Steady income allows the app developer to keep people on staff
- Features can be released as it's useful and not a big bang i.e. v5 or 6 -
where if you don't get your feature in that release you wait another 12-18
mth release cycle

Others who have done the same transition gave existing app owners,
permanent access to all existing features. One app (either Drafts or
Fantastical), simply made all existing "Pro" features free and then the
subscription unlocked the new features. There were other safeguards put in
place, but the key idea is existing users didn't lose anything,

Greg Pierce (of Drafts), discussed his journey on the MacPowerUsers
Podcast: https://www.relay.fm/mpu/639

When I find the interview with the Fantastical founder I will share.

I know for some this is hersey and so Andrey will need to reflect
carefully. Frankly I think it's Andrey's path to long term sustainability.
I would even give up my free license that I won years ago and pay for a
subscription.

Cheers
Mark

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 3:34 PM imajeff  wrote:

> Agreed; I too have used MLO since before there was a version number
> (syncing with my Microsoft PDA before a smart phone was possible).
> Ten years later I thought the difficulty with daily usage would be solved
> but now, even that was a long time ago and I struggle to maintain tasks. It
> seems mostly changing what would help me could hinder some other way
> someone uses it. Internally, it might require much planning plus a big
> rewrite, but they don't have funding to just hire another team to develop a
> whole new idea in parallel. Would be like a competition to see who wins
> becoming the next release (it's what Microsoft has done, and just drop the
> one that didn't win).
>
> But if they will redo it at least enough to allow some scripting language
> to check and modify things triggered by events, that would be a great start
> so others can help make normal usage work the way they need, sharing the
> ideas. Let's make MLO great again
>
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:48:28 AM UTC-6 daniel wrote:
>
>> Mark, That is simply the best description of my MLO usage ever.   I also
>> have been around nearly as long.  The 'exact' same thoughts: "Easy to plan
>> with, Easy to keep track of everything. Hard to live with on a day to day
>> basis"   OMG I'm married to MLO!
>>
>> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 8:11 PM Mark Levison 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> @Hienz you’ve just summarized my entire MLO relationship for as long as
>>> I’ve used the app. Which apparently dates back 17yrs almost to the day.
>>>
>>> Easy to plan with, Easy to keep track of everything. Hard to live with
>>> on a day to day basis, which is why I eventually wind up abandoning it
>>> every few years.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Mark - an early user and former forum admin
>>>
>>

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Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[imajeff]

Agreed; I too have used MLO since before there was a version number 
(syncing with my Microsoft PDA before a smart phone was possible).
Ten years later I thought the difficulty with daily usage would be solved 
but now, even that was a long time ago and I struggle to maintain tasks. It 
seems mostly changing what would help me could hinder some other way 
someone uses it. Internally, it might require much planning plus a big 
rewrite, but they don't have funding to just hire another team to develop a 
whole new idea in parallel. Would be like a competition to see who wins 
becoming the next release (it's what Microsoft has done, and just drop the 
one that didn't win).

But if they will redo it at least enough to allow some scripting language 
to check and modify things triggered by events, that would be a great start 
so others can help make normal usage work the way they need, sharing the 
ideas. Let's make MLO great again

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:48:28 AM UTC-6 daniel wrote:

> Mark, That is simply the best description of my MLO usage ever.   I also 
> have been around nearly as long.  The 'exact' same thoughts: "Easy to plan 
> with, Easy to keep track of everything. Hard to live with on a day to day 
> basis"   OMG I'm married to MLO!
>
> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 8:11 PM Mark Levison  
> wrote:
>
>> @Hienz you’ve just summarized my entire MLO relationship for as long as 
>> I’ve used the app. Which apparently dates back 17yrs almost to the day.
>>
>> Easy to plan with, Easy to keep track of everything. Hard to live with on 
>> a day to day basis, which is why I eventually wind up abandoning it every 
>> few years.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mark - an early user and former forum admin
>>
>> On Friday, 27 May 2022 at 03:06:14 UTC-4 Heinz wrote:
>>
>>> I have been working with MLO for many years now.
>>> My thoughts (mainly) about the desktop version.
>>>
>>> *I love* MLO for my task planning.
>>> It is a very versatile planning tool and task organizer.
>>> I love the flawless synchronization across all my devices. 
>>> I love the different ways of adding tasks to my inbox (task-by-email, 
>>> Siri reminders, ...)
>>>
>>> *I can live* with MLO for my todo lists.
>>> I managed to set up a reasonable overview about my upcoming tasks, using 
>>> workspaces, views, filters and sorting.
>>> My standard view "My Day" shows technically all I need, but it is 
>>> neither a nice nor a motivating user interface. 
>>> A more attractive wrapping around a list of undone tasks wouldn't hurt 
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> *I am lost* with MLO when "Doing" things.
>>> For the tasks I have to do on my computer I would wish MLO could support 
>>> me more in focusing at the current task.
>>> Maybe the next evolution step of the "Zoom" function?
>>> My idea would be something like an always-on-top vertical task 
>>> bar/window, showing 
>>>
>>>- the task I am working on 
>>>- the time I have been spending on this task including an alarm  
>>>(pomodoro technique) 
>>>- a plain notes field for quickly putting down ideas, next steps or 
>>>links without diverting my focus to a separate tool.
>>>
>>> Today I try to bridge this gap by using a desktop notes program in 
>>> parallel, but I have to copy my notes back and forth to MLO.
>>>
>>> blandoca...@gmail.com schrieb am Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2022 um 17:23:08 
>>> UTC+2:
>>>

 The only thing that i miss in MLO is a sort of drag and drop task to 
 schedule them in a calendar view in the same manner of google task/ google 
 calendar or Microsoft to do/Outlook calendar

 Is very handy for week planning and instead of a list of number you can 
 easily visually see correlation between planned task/event and the time 
 that they "fill"

 I would like to see also a "day remaining counter" in columnsi know 
 is already possible to see them moving mouse over due date, but a 
 dedicated 
 column would be great to see them all at a glance

 Thanks!!
 On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 20:54:45 UTC+2 daniel wrote:

> THIS!
>
> So many times I think I must have missed the click, only to then find 
> I did occurrences into the future
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 12:49 PM imajeff  wrote:
>
>> A relatively simple improvement is to make some visible indication on 
>> the check box the moment you click to complete a recurring task.
>> Many times especially when I was new at this, I would click the task, 
>> see nothing happen, and click it again several times (it is actually 
>> normal 
>> for me to either have trouble with my mouse button, or operating system 
>> not 
>> responding).
>> Slowly I realize that I have now completed furture occurrences clear 
>> into next year but of course I was only trying to complete the current 
>> one!
>>
>> Please make some kind of animation to indicate the recurrence coming 
>> back, or at least 

Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[Daniel Sekera]

Mark, That is simply the best description of my MLO usage ever.   I also
have been around nearly as long.  The 'exact' same thoughts: "Easy to plan
with, Easy to keep track of everything. Hard to live with on a day to day
basis"   OMG I'm married to MLO!

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 8:11 PM Mark Levison 
wrote:

> @Hienz you’ve just summarized my entire MLO relationship for as long as
> I’ve used the app. Which apparently dates back 17yrs almost to the day.
>
> Easy to plan with, Easy to keep track of everything. Hard to live with on
> a day to day basis, which is why I eventually wind up abandoning it every
> few years.
>
> Cheers
> Mark - an early user and former forum admin
>
> On Friday, 27 May 2022 at 03:06:14 UTC-4 Heinz wrote:
>
>> I have been working with MLO for many years now.
>> My thoughts (mainly) about the desktop version.
>>
>> *I love* MLO for my task planning.
>> It is a very versatile planning tool and task organizer.
>> I love the flawless synchronization across all my devices.
>> I love the different ways of adding tasks to my inbox (task-by-email,
>> Siri reminders, ...)
>>
>> *I can live* with MLO for my todo lists.
>> I managed to set up a reasonable overview about my upcoming tasks, using
>> workspaces, views, filters and sorting.
>> My standard view "My Day" shows technically all I need, but it is neither
>> a nice nor a motivating user interface.
>> A more attractive wrapping around a list of undone tasks wouldn't hurt :-)
>>
>> *I am lost* with MLO when "Doing" things.
>> For the tasks I have to do on my computer I would wish MLO could support
>> me more in focusing at the current task.
>> Maybe the next evolution step of the "Zoom" function?
>> My idea would be something like an always-on-top vertical task
>> bar/window, showing
>>
>>- the task I am working on
>>- the time I have been spending on this task including an alarm
>>(pomodoro technique)
>>- a plain notes field for quickly putting down ideas, next steps or
>>links without diverting my focus to a separate tool.
>>
>> Today I try to bridge this gap by using a desktop notes program in
>> parallel, but I have to copy my notes back and forth to MLO.
>>
>> blandoca...@gmail.com schrieb am Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2022 um 17:23:08
>> UTC+2:
>>
>>>
>>> The only thing that i miss in MLO is a sort of drag and drop task to
>>> schedule them in a calendar view in the same manner of google task/ google
>>> calendar or Microsoft to do/Outlook calendar
>>>
>>> Is very handy for week planning and instead of a list of number you can
>>> easily visually see correlation between planned task/event and the time
>>> that they "fill"
>>>
>>> I would like to see also a "day remaining counter" in columnsi know
>>> is already possible to see them moving mouse over due date, but a dedicated
>>> column would be great to see them all at a glance
>>>
>>> Thanks!!
>>> On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 20:54:45 UTC+2 daniel wrote:
>>>
 THIS!

 So many times I think I must have missed the click, only to then find I
 did occurrences into the future

 On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 12:49 PM imajeff  wrote:

> A relatively simple improvement is to make some visible indication on
> the check box the moment you click to complete a recurring task.
> Many times especially when I was new at this, I would click the task,
> see nothing happen, and click it again several times (it is actually 
> normal
> for me to either have trouble with my mouse button, or operating system 
> not
> responding).
> Slowly I realize that I have now completed furture occurrences clear
> into next year but of course I was only trying to complete the current 
> one!
>
> Please make some kind of animation to indicate the recurrence coming
> back, or at least show the check mark for a limited time to show that it
> acknowledged my click!  Yes I am aware that if you are watching someplace
> else on the screen and remember what the due date said then you would see 
> a
> change to know, but obviously that will not do for this feature request. 
> We
> were not looking over there most of the time; just make the actual 
> checkbox
> do something.
>
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Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[Mark Levison]

@Hienz you’ve just summarized my entire MLO relationship for as long as 
I’ve used the app. Which apparently dates back 17yrs almost to the day.

Easy to plan with, Easy to keep track of everything. Hard to live with on a 
day to day basis, which is why I eventually wind up abandoning it every few 
years.

Cheers
Mark - an early user and former forum admin

On Friday, 27 May 2022 at 03:06:14 UTC-4 Heinz wrote:

> I have been working with MLO for many years now.
> My thoughts (mainly) about the desktop version.
>
> *I love* MLO for my task planning.
> It is a very versatile planning tool and task organizer.
> I love the flawless synchronization across all my devices. 
> I love the different ways of adding tasks to my inbox (task-by-email, Siri 
> reminders, ...)
>
> *I can live* with MLO for my todo lists.
> I managed to set up a reasonable overview about my upcoming tasks, using 
> workspaces, views, filters and sorting.
> My standard view "My Day" shows technically all I need, but it is neither 
> a nice nor a motivating user interface. 
> A more attractive wrapping around a list of undone tasks wouldn't hurt :-)
>
> *I am lost* with MLO when "Doing" things.
> For the tasks I have to do on my computer I would wish MLO could support 
> me more in focusing at the current task.
> Maybe the next evolution step of the "Zoom" function?
> My idea would be something like an always-on-top vertical task bar/window, 
> showing 
>
>- the task I am working on 
>- the time I have been spending on this task including an alarm  
>(pomodoro technique) 
>- a plain notes field for quickly putting down ideas, next steps or 
>links without diverting my focus to a separate tool.
>
> Today I try to bridge this gap by using a desktop notes program in 
> parallel, but I have to copy my notes back and forth to MLO.
>
> blandoca...@gmail.com schrieb am Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2022 um 17:23:08 
> UTC+2:
>
>>
>> The only thing that i miss in MLO is a sort of drag and drop task to 
>> schedule them in a calendar view in the same manner of google task/ google 
>> calendar or Microsoft to do/Outlook calendar
>>
>> Is very handy for week planning and instead of a list of number you can 
>> easily visually see correlation between planned task/event and the time 
>> that they "fill"
>>
>> I would like to see also a "day remaining counter" in columnsi know 
>> is already possible to see them moving mouse over due date, but a dedicated 
>> column would be great to see them all at a glance
>>
>> Thanks!!
>> On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 20:54:45 UTC+2 daniel wrote:
>>
>>> THIS!
>>>
>>> So many times I think I must have missed the click, only to then find I 
>>> did occurrences into the future
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 12:49 PM imajeff  wrote:
>>>
 A relatively simple improvement is to make some visible indication on 
 the check box the moment you click to complete a recurring task.
 Many times especially when I was new at this, I would click the task, 
 see nothing happen, and click it again several times (it is actually 
 normal 
 for me to either have trouble with my mouse button, or operating system 
 not 
 responding).
 Slowly I realize that I have now completed furture occurrences clear 
 into next year but of course I was only trying to complete the current one!

 Please make some kind of animation to indicate the recurrence coming 
 back, or at least show the check mark for a limited time to show that it 
 acknowledged my click!  Yes I am aware that if you are watching someplace 
 else on the screen and remember what the due date said then you would see 
 a 
 change to know, but obviously that will not do for this feature request. 
 We 
 were not looking over there most of the time; just make the actual 
 checkbox 
 do something.

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Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[Heinz]

I have been working with MLO for many years now.
My thoughts (mainly) about the desktop version.

*I love* MLO for my task planning.
It is a very versatile planning tool and task organizer.
I love the flawless synchronization across all my devices. 
I love the different ways of adding tasks to my inbox (task-by-email, Siri 
reminders, ...)

*I can live* with MLO for my todo lists.
I managed to set up a reasonable overview about my upcoming tasks, using 
workspaces, views, filters and sorting.
My standard view "My Day" shows technically all I need, but it is neither a 
nice nor a motivating user interface. 
A more attractive wrapping around a list of undone tasks wouldn't hurt :-)

*I am lost* with MLO when "Doing" things.
For the tasks I have to do on my computer I would wish MLO could support me 
more in focusing at the current task.
Maybe the next evolution step of the "Zoom" function?
My idea would be something like an always-on-top vertical task bar/window, 
showing 

   - the task I am working on 
   - the time I have been spending on this task including an alarm  
   (pomodoro technique) 
   - a plain notes field for quickly putting down ideas, next steps or 
   links without diverting my focus to a separate tool.

Today I try to bridge this gap by using a desktop notes program in 
parallel, but I have to copy my notes back and forth to MLO.

blandoca...@gmail.com schrieb am Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2022 um 17:23:08 UTC+2:

>
> The only thing that i miss in MLO is a sort of drag and drop task to 
> schedule them in a calendar view in the same manner of google task/ google 
> calendar or Microsoft to do/Outlook calendar
>
> Is very handy for week planning and instead of a list of number you can 
> easily visually see correlation between planned task/event and the time 
> that they "fill"
>
> I would like to see also a "day remaining counter" in columnsi know is 
> already possible to see them moving mouse over due date, but a dedicated 
> column would be great to see them all at a glance
>
> Thanks!!
> On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 20:54:45 UTC+2 daniel wrote:
>
>> THIS!
>>
>> So many times I think I must have missed the click, only to then find I 
>> did occurrences into the future
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 12:49 PM imajeff  wrote:
>>
>>> A relatively simple improvement is to make some visible indication on 
>>> the check box the moment you click to complete a recurring task.
>>> Many times especially when I was new at this, I would click the task, 
>>> see nothing happen, and click it again several times (it is actually normal 
>>> for me to either have trouble with my mouse button, or operating system not 
>>> responding).
>>> Slowly I realize that I have now completed furture occurrences clear 
>>> into next year but of course I was only trying to complete the current one!
>>>
>>> Please make some kind of animation to indicate the recurrence coming 
>>> back, or at least show the check mark for a limited time to show that it 
>>> acknowledged my click!  Yes I am aware that if you are watching someplace 
>>> else on the screen and remember what the due date said then you would see a 
>>> change to know, but obviously that will not do for this feature request. We 
>>> were not looking over there most of the time; just make the actual checkbox 
>>> do something.
>>>
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Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[Claude x]

The only thing that i miss in MLO is a sort of drag and drop task to 
schedule them in a calendar view in the same manner of google task/ google 
calendar or Microsoft to do/Outlook calendar

Is very handy for week planning and instead of a list of number you can 
easily visually see correlation between planned task/event and the time 
that they "fill"

I would like to see also a "day remaining counter" in columnsi know is 
already possible to see them moving mouse over due date, but a dedicated 
column would be great to see them all at a glance

Thanks!!
On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 20:54:45 UTC+2 daniel wrote:

> THIS!
>
> So many times I think I must have missed the click, only to then find I 
> did occurrences into the future
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 12:49 PM imajeff  wrote:
>
>> A relatively simple improvement is to make some visible indication on the 
>> check box the moment you click to complete a recurring task.
>> Many times especially when I was new at this, I would click the task, see 
>> nothing happen, and click it again several times (it is actually normal for 
>> me to either have trouble with my mouse button, or operating system not 
>> responding).
>> Slowly I realize that I have now completed furture occurrences clear into 
>> next year but of course I was only trying to complete the current one!
>>
>> Please make some kind of animation to indicate the recurrence coming 
>> back, or at least show the check mark for a limited time to show that it 
>> acknowledged my click!  Yes I am aware that if you are watching someplace 
>> else on the screen and remember what the due date said then you would see a 
>> change to know, but obviously that will not do for this feature request. We 
>> were not looking over there most of the time; just make the actual checkbox 
>> do something.
>>
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Re: [MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[Daniel Sekera]

THIS!

So many times I think I must have missed the click, only to then find I did
occurrences into the future

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 12:49 PM imajeff  wrote:

> A relatively simple improvement is to make some visible indication on the
> check box the moment you click to complete a recurring task.
> Many times especially when I was new at this, I would click the task, see
> nothing happen, and click it again several times (it is actually normal for
> me to either have trouble with my mouse button, or operating system not
> responding).
> Slowly I realize that I have now completed furture occurrences clear into
> next year but of course I was only trying to complete the current one!
>
> Please make some kind of animation to indicate the recurrence coming back,
> or at least show the check mark for a limited time to show that it
> acknowledged my click!  Yes I am aware that if you are watching someplace
> else on the screen and remember what the due date said then you would see a
> change to know, but obviously that will not do for this feature request. We
> were not looking over there most of the time; just make the actual checkbox
> do something.
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[MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[imajeff]

A relatively simple improvement is to make some visible indication on the 
check box the moment you click to complete a recurring task.
Many times especially when I was new at this, I would click the task, see 
nothing happen, and click it again several times (it is actually normal for 
me to either have trouble with my mouse button, or operating system not 
responding).
Slowly I realize that I have now completed furture occurrences clear into 
next year but of course I was only trying to complete the current one!

Please make some kind of animation to indicate the recurrence coming back, 
or at least show the check mark for a limited time to show that it 
acknowledged my click!  Yes I am aware that if you are watching someplace 
else on the screen and remember what the due date said then you would see a 
change to know, but obviously that will not do for this feature request. We 
were not looking over there most of the time; just make the actual checkbox 
do something.

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[MLO] Re: MLO-Win v6 Ideas...

[Patricio Carranza]

hi All, sharing some ideas here too, mainly thought for MLO Windows version:

- there should a simple/easy shortcut for switching through 'completed task 
hidden', 'old completed task hidden', 'completed task shown' (probably easy 
to implement, and high value added type of feature) note: I solved it since 
I use autohotkey, so found a way to toggle that setting through the 
keyboard.

- filters available at the top in the toolbar section, ideally fully 
customizable which filters you can have there OR make columns name filters 
(like in Excel, that would be super powerful!), but at min the ability to 
filter by 'due date', 'importance', 'goal', 'status', 'context' would be 
super productive. (I know you can set them from the Advance filters 
feature, but the ability to have handy at just 1-click would make a huge 
difference)

- ability to change 'status' field values from the main view (like you can 
change due date) without the need to go to the properties panel on the 
right. <-- generalizing this: any field that have a list of predefine 
values should be possible to be updated from the main view

- status field available in any task w/o the need to make it a project.

- 'Group by' popup should probably have a grid (instead of the current 
controls), such that you can easily move up/down the fields you want to 
group by, that would be much easier to set up and update as needed. Even 
with the grid you can keep the limit of only 4 group by levels.

- warning, game changer idea :-), a calendar view, I know and use the 
ability to sync up with Google Calendar, it works like a charm indeed, 
bi-directional update, just amazing, I agree, BUT, I think having a 
built-in calendar view would take the app to the next level well beyond 
competitors, this is the idea:
-- first the basic features you 'would expect' in any calendar view:
--- a section on the calendar page from where you can see your list of 
tasks, such that you can drop into the calendar the ones you want
--- ability to drag and drop tasks from any day/time to another day/time
--- the 'typical' day/weekly/monthly views
--- ability to filter the tasks as you can do in the existing views <-- 
this is the big difference / value add in comparison to use Google 
Calendar, meaning Google Calendar is great, but you can't take advantage of 
all the MLO filtering features, that's why a built-in calendar in MLO would 
be simply awesome
-- NEW (AND IMHO HIGH VALUE ADDED) IDEA:
--- when you drop a task (either from the backlog, or move one that was 
already in the calendar) into a time slot that already had a task, a domino 
effect is triggered that would move the tasks sequentially:
any existing tasks that were already in the calendar on the same time slot 
would moved automatically. e.g. if I have a task that goes from 2pm to 3pm, 
and place in that same slot a 30 mins task at 2pm, then the existing one 
would automatically move to 2:30 to 3:30pm, same would happen with any task 
that was after 3:30, basically when you place a task in the calendar (or 
move an existing one) you create a domino effect...(that's not available in 
any calendar app I have tried so far). tasks that fall from Day 1 would 
automatically move to Day 2, etc
--- ability to control the 'domino effect': flag available at the task 
level to keep the task unchanged if you place another task in that same 
slot, or by tasks moved due to the domino effect. Basically (it could be by 
default) each task has a flag that protects from being automatically moved 
by the domino effect, but you have the option to uncheck that protection 
such that the domino effect will move it. Real life example, you plan 3 
things for day 1, ('enjoy time with the family', 'go running', and 'study 
machine learning'), and you only complete the first 2, so you move 'study 
machine learning' to day 2 where you already had tasks planned, those tasks 
that were already in day 2 are automatically pushed down based on the 
duration assigned to 'study machine learning' and the time slot you place 
it.
-- another neat feature would be to have Quarterly/Yearly/Next N Years 
views that allow you to plan at that level e.g an outcome I'd like to 
achieve the next quarter, the next second quarter, the next year, you get 
the idea, etc...

- and finally of course, :-), custom fields, it was already asked by many 
people already, so +1. Ability to create custom fields of different types 
(dates, list of text, list of numbers), then able to filter and/or group 
using the custom fields. Custom fields on top of existing MLO features 
would simply be 'rock and roll baby!' :-)

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 9:44:40 PM UTC-3 kunk...@gmail.com wrote:

> I had submitted one of these feature requests in the past; but will repost 
> it:
>
> **Option to make task defer to parent's notes.*  
> What I mean is that, I like my parent folder to have all my case notes 
> (phone logs, observation notes, etc).  The parent folder has many 
>