RE: Why is MySQL always linked to PHP?
MySQL is written in C
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specific C compiler to write the functions
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> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 22:23:50 -0700
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> On 22 Jul 10, at 21:01, Anirudh Sundar wrote:
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> > SO ONE CANNOT COMPARE PHP WITH C.
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> I can compare anything I want to -- I took a poetry class in college!
> ("Her teeth were like the stars, 'cause they came out at night." :-)
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> If you STOP SHOUTING, people might take you more seriously.
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Re: Why is MySQL always linked to PHP?
Now ur shouting ;) ;) ;) i was not. haha
U can say anything an escape with it without being brushed.go an take
poetry...where u can anything with any other thing...hehehe
Cheers,
Anirudh Sundar
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Jan Steinman wrote:
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> On 22 Jul 10, at 21:01, Anirudh Sundar wrote:
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> SO ONE CANNOT COMPARE PHP WITH C.
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> I can compare anything I want to -- I took a poetry class in college! ("Her
> teeth were like the stars, 'cause they came out at night." :-)
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> If you STOP SHOUTING, people might take you more seriously.
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Re: Why is MySQL always linked to PHP?
On 22 Jul 10, at 21:01, Anirudh Sundar wrote:
SO ONE CANNOT COMPARE PHP WITH C.
I can compare anything I want to -- I took a poetry class in college!
("Her teeth were like the stars, 'cause they came out at night." :-)
If you STOP SHOUTING, people might take you more seriously.
There are only two ways to look at life: One is as if nothing is a
miracle. The other is as if everything is a miracle. -- Albert Einstein
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Re: Why is MySQL always linked to PHP?
Jay, I am not incorrect. PHP and C work on different domains. SO ONE CANNOT COMPARE PHP WITH C. PHP IS A FULLY EVOLVED OBJECT ORIENTED SERVER SIDE SCRIPTING LANGUAGE. JUST BECAUSE PHP SYNTAX RESEMBLES C, DOES NOT MAKE IT LESS POWERFUL OR INFERIOR OR LESS SCALABLE. PHP IS INDEED A SELF SUFFICIENT PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE. Anirudh Sundar. On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Jay Blanchard wrote: > [snip] > Jay, > > PHP is a WEB based Server Side scripting Language. > > Do not compare it with C. C is a middle -level System programming > language. > > Please stop comparing. > [/snip] > > The statements about C were not mine, it was just the way that the > thread was snipped together. Believe me when I say that I know my > languages, I have been in this business for 30 years and up until > recently even maintained legacy Fortran code. > > But you are incorrect, PHP is not just a WEB based Server Side scripting > language and like most languages it shares, and therefore can be > compared to, traits with other languages like C. >
Re: Why is MySQL always linked to PHP?
On 22 Jul 10, at 01:25, Anirudh Sundar wrote: Jay, Actually, that was my comment. Do not compare it with C. C is a middle -level System programming language. PHP's syntax is very much like C. My point, which I guess wasn't clear, is that one of the reasons PHP is popular (among the many pointed out by others) is that its syntax resembles a language that many people know, as I pointed out: PHP looks a lot like C, and people are taught C in college. I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church. -- Thomas Paine Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
RE: Why is MySQL always linked to PHP?
[snip] Jay, PHP is a WEB based Server Side scripting Language. Do not compare it with C. C is a middle -level System programming language. Please stop comparing. [/snip] The statements about C were not mine, it was just the way that the thread was snipped together. Believe me when I say that I know my languages, I have been in this business for 30 years and up until recently even maintained legacy Fortran code. But you are incorrect, PHP is not just a WEB based Server Side scripting language and like most languages it shares, and therefore can be compared to, traits with other languages like C. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
Re: Why is MySQL always linked to PHP?
Jay, PHP is a WEB based Server Side scripting Language. Do not compare it with C. C is a middle -level System programming language. Please stop comparing. On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Jan Steinman wrote: > From: "Jay Blanchard" >> >> >> You always have to use the right tool for the job though. The question >> is "are we teaching the inexperienced programmers what the right tools >> are? >> > > I doubt it! > > PHP looks a lot like C, and people are taught C in college. > > So instead of working with something more abstract (like Smalltalk, Ruby, > et. al.) they slog through the bits with a relatively low-level language > like PHP. > > > An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all. > -- Elbert Hubbard > Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op > > > > -- > MySQL General Mailing List > For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql > To unsubscribe: > http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=sundar.anir...@gmail.com > >
Re: Why is MySQL always linked to PHP?
From: "Jay Blanchard" You always have to use the right tool for the job though. The question is "are we teaching the inexperienced programmers what the right tools are? I doubt it! PHP looks a lot like C, and people are taught C in college. So instead of working with something more abstract (like Smalltalk, Ruby, et. al.) they slog through the bits with a relatively low-level language like PHP. An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all. -- Elbert Hubbard Jan Steinman, EcoReality Co-op -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
RE: Why is MySQL always linked to PHP?
[snip] I merely wished to dispel the common, newb impression that PHP is the only realistic choice. [/snip] I don't think that is the impression but I think that the low barrier to entry and extensive support community make PHP a widely acceptable choice. I have seen many a newb turned off by the communities surrounding other languages (I have seen it in PHP too) but by and large the PHP community is pretty accepting and willing to teach young programmers how to fish. You always have to use the right tool for the job though. The question is "are we teaching the inexperienced programmers what the right tools are? -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
Re: Why is MySQL always linked to PHP?
I realize this is somewhat off-topic for this list but: I too have extensive experience with PHP/MySQL used in large scale projects but I have experience with other languages and frameworks as well. I merely wished to dispel the common, newb impression that PHP is the only realistic choice. - md On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Daevid Vincent wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Jay Blanchard [mailto:jblanch...@pocket.com] >> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 5:25 AM >> To: Michael Dykman; mysql >> Subject: RE: Why is MySQL always linked to Php? >> >> [snip] >> PHP applications are, for the most part, not that ambitious >> and mysql is simply the most accessible database with the best >> developed API. >> [/snip] >> >> I know that you said "for the most part" and you are >> absolutely correct. >> I just want to point out that there are many corporations >> relying on PHP >> and MySQL to deliver robust, scalable and enterprise capable >> applications each and every day. >> >> I suppose that is part of the appeal - low barriers to entry with >> infinite possibilities. > > Yeah, I took a bit of offense to that original statement too. > > I work for Panasonic Avionics, and we have no less than 12 servers here > running LAMP boxes in my department alone. They are in master/slave pairs. > We have almost 100GB of data with about 1 BILLION rows. Everytime an > aircraft lands, we get an offload about the (IFE) In Flight Entertainment > system. What movies are watched, for how long, what games were played, what > level reached, did the system reboot, was it commanded to reboot, all sorts > of things. We get about an offload per minute or so 24/7. These servers are > reliable and the SaaS we sell along with the IFE costs MILLIONS of dollars > per airline. The GUI is all PHP with some Python as the backend to parse > the offloads. We run Ubuntu 8.04LTS. > > When I founded WildTangent, everything there was LAMP boxes. All the games > checked into a LAMP server. All the backend tools we created were LAMP. > They switched to IIS I believe a few years ago because I can only assume > that Alex St. John (the creator of DirectX) is a Microsoft guy, and our > game technology is based upon Microsoft tech, so it probably didn't look so > good to be running Linux for them. ;-) > > At Lockdown Networks, we sold $50k rack mount units that were all LAMP > based with Ruby backends. These units secured many of the worlds networks > from banks to nuclear reactors to colleges to government/military agencies. > > In all cases, we could have spent thousands to millions on Oracle servers > or used the free alternatives like Postgress. We researched and CHOSE to > use mySQL -- even paying the licensing fees at Lockdown over porting to > Postgress (which we seriously looked into) > > So, I think someone needs to recognize that mySQL and PHP are extremely > powerful and robust tools and are used in VERY ambitious projects. ;-) > > d > > http://daevid.com > > There are only 11 types of people in this world. Those that think binary > jokes are funny, those that don't, and those that don't know binary. > > -- - michael dykman - mdyk...@gmail.com May the Source be with you. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
RE: Why is MySQL always linked to PHP?
> -Original Message- > From: Jay Blanchard [mailto:jblanch...@pocket.com] > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 5:25 AM > To: Michael Dykman; mysql > Subject: RE: Why is MySQL always linked to Php? > > [snip] > PHP applications are, for the most part, not that ambitious > and mysql is simply the most accessible database with the best > developed API. > [/snip] > > I know that you said "for the most part" and you are > absolutely correct. > I just want to point out that there are many corporations > relying on PHP > and MySQL to deliver robust, scalable and enterprise capable > applications each and every day. > > I suppose that is part of the appeal - low barriers to entry with > infinite possibilities. Yeah, I took a bit of offense to that original statement too. I work for Panasonic Avionics, and we have no less than 12 servers here running LAMP boxes in my department alone. They are in master/slave pairs. We have almost 100GB of data with about 1 BILLION rows. Everytime an aircraft lands, we get an offload about the (IFE) In Flight Entertainment system. What movies are watched, for how long, what games were played, what level reached, did the system reboot, was it commanded to reboot, all sorts of things. We get about an offload per minute or so 24/7. These servers are reliable and the SaaS we sell along with the IFE costs MILLIONS of dollars per airline. The GUI is all PHP with some Python as the backend to parse the offloads. We run Ubuntu 8.04LTS. When I founded WildTangent, everything there was LAMP boxes. All the games checked into a LAMP server. All the backend tools we created were LAMP. They switched to IIS I believe a few years ago because I can only assume that Alex St. John (the creator of DirectX) is a Microsoft guy, and our game technology is based upon Microsoft tech, so it probably didn't look so good to be running Linux for them. ;-) At Lockdown Networks, we sold $50k rack mount units that were all LAMP based with Ruby backends. These units secured many of the worlds networks from banks to nuclear reactors to colleges to government/military agencies. In all cases, we could have spent thousands to millions on Oracle servers or used the free alternatives like Postgress. We researched and CHOSE to use mySQL -- even paying the licensing fees at Lockdown over porting to Postgress (which we seriously looked into) So, I think someone needs to recognize that mySQL and PHP are extremely powerful and robust tools and are used in VERY ambitious projects. ;-) d http://daevid.com There are only 11 types of people in this world. Those that think binary jokes are funny, those that don't, and those that don't know binary. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
RE: Why is MySQL always linked to Php?
[snip] PHP applications are, for the most part, not that ambitious and mysql is simply the most accessible database with the best developed API. [/snip] I know that you said "for the most part" and you are absolutely correct. I just want to point out that there are many corporations relying on PHP and MySQL to deliver robust, scalable and enterprise capable applications each and every day. I suppose that is part of the appeal - low barriers to entry with infinite possibilities. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
Re: Why is MySQL always linked to Php?
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:00 AM, alba.albetti wrote: > Browsing the Web I've seen that usually companies look for developers working > on MySQL and Php. Why are the two things linked? I mean I've not found any > requests for just a MySQL developer or DBA (as for example it happens for > Oracle), but it's always requested a MySQL/Php expert. > I ask for it 'cause I've always been a developer/DBA on RDBMS (Oracle and > DB2) and as I've been learning MySQL for few weeks, I'd like to know whether > and why it's so important to learn Php as well. It would be so difficult to > find a job as MySQL developer/DBA without knowing Php as well. > Thanks! > There are numerous good reasons why there is this correlation. I would like to propose one that has not been mentioned. PHP is a mess. For several years PHP put food on my table and I respect it for what it is, but it really is a mess. Whether it is inconsistencies in function parameters or looseness in how it deal with data that does not quite fit, it is a mess. I think MySQL is historically similar. Both are very weakly typed and can produce surprises because of it. Both seem like they are designed for quick productivity. It seems like PostgreSQL has significant mindshare amongst Perl and C++ users... -- Rob Wultsch wult...@gmail.com -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
Re: Why is MySQL always linked to Php?
It's not so much that MySQL goes with PHP as much as PHP goes with MySQL. PHP applications are, for the most part, not that ambitious and mysql is simply the most accessible database with the best developed API. I have developed applications using MySQL as a back end under a huge number of environments/frameworks/languages. Don't limit yourself to PHP just because it is perceived to be common practice. - michael dykman I have used MySQL as a database in a huge variety of environments On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Daevid Vincent wrote: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: alba.albetti [mailto:alba.albe...@libero.it] >> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 7:00 AM >> To: mysql >> Subject: Why is MySQL always linked to Php? >> >> Browsing the Web I've seen that usually companies look for >> developers working on MySQL and Php. Why are the two things >> linked? I mean I've not found any requests for just a MySQL >> developer or DBA (as for example it happens for Oracle), but >> it's always requested a MySQL/Php expert. >> I ask for it 'cause I've always been a developer/DBA on RDBMS >> (Oracle and DB2) and as I've been learning MySQL for few >> weeks, I'd like to know whether and why it's so important to >> learn Php as well. It would be so difficult to find a job as >> MySQL developer/DBA without knowing Php as well. >> Thanks! > > I would say it's a combination of things. > > MySQL is pretty much fire and forget for the most part for most sites. > Unless you're dealing with HUGE amounts of data or massive amounts of hits, > you rarely have to configure or "DBA" it. > > Oracle on the other hand is this huge mega-monstrosity that costs millions > of dollars to implement and therefore you want someone presumably trained > so they don't brick your box. > > With mySQL, if you "brick" the box, you pretty much just setup a new LAMP > install and put your DB backups on. > > I'm of course oversimplifying. > > > -- > MySQL General Mailing List > For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql > To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=mdyk...@gmail.com > > -- - michael dykman - mdyk...@gmail.com May the Source be with you. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
RE: Why is MySQL always linked to Php?
> -Original Message- > From: alba.albetti [mailto:alba.albe...@libero.it] > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 7:00 AM > To: mysql > Subject: Why is MySQL always linked to Php? > > Browsing the Web I've seen that usually companies look for > developers working on MySQL and Php. Why are the two things > linked? I mean I've not found any requests for just a MySQL > developer or DBA (as for example it happens for Oracle), but > it's always requested a MySQL/Php expert. > I ask for it 'cause I've always been a developer/DBA on RDBMS > (Oracle and DB2) and as I've been learning MySQL for few > weeks, I'd like to know whether and why it's so important to > learn Php as well. It would be so difficult to find a job as > MySQL developer/DBA without knowing Php as well. > Thanks! I would say it's a combination of things. MySQL is pretty much fire and forget for the most part for most sites. Unless you're dealing with HUGE amounts of data or massive amounts of hits, you rarely have to configure or "DBA" it. Oracle on the other hand is this huge mega-monstrosity that costs millions of dollars to implement and therefore you want someone presumably trained so they don't brick your box. With mySQL, if you "brick" the box, you pretty much just setup a new LAMP install and put your DB backups on. I'm of course oversimplifying. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
Re: Why is MySQL always linked to Php? The history channel version...
HIstorical convinience: A certification program for oracle or db2 requires a lot of money and time. The facilities oracle and db2 can offer to the dba includes things that the S.O should to. Exaple: raw spaces and table spaces, hot copy, replication, etc... Many of this "facilities" used to be provided by the S.O with tools like lvm, drdb, heartbeat and so on in Linux. But that was years ago. Back then, mysql didn't eve had locking, less replication. I remember when Mysql added replication, long before postgress sql, that allowed "us", mysql people to kick ass postgress people, because while postgress was fully ACID and mysql wasn't, we had... REPLICATION... (insert toy story *wow* here please)... So, back in those years, when web was just as a emergin technology, a fast, relaiable, easy to use and install database was Mysql. If I don't remeber bad, even php support for mysql was included earlier than postgress... and then the concept of LAMP started to gestate, as Linux Apache PHP & Mysql... Meanwhile a LAMP people was working with small systems for the web, as a new trend, the "olds" dba were working with store procedures, oracle rac, informix being bougth by IBM2 those dbas used to admin big, big projects, cus smaller installations where using... Acess *shudder* So, 2 branches of DBA arised, one brach, the corporate DBA, which should know how to configure and administer everything from a big, big, and difficult package, and the "script kiddiedbas", which didn't care about acid, used the S.O to make table able to grow with LVM, and developed code with php... Mysql was simple... And the leyend asired... WEB 2.0... and people started to alinate that lamp included Perl, not only php... those pesky monks, quite a bit fanatics... Mysql evolved into an enterprise, and a business model arised, and certification for mysql were created by a central organization, the mysql people it self. And THEN, we started to have a path to get "Authorized" trainning... and mysql capabilites started to match with those big database, acid, store procedure, georeferencing, etc, etc, etc... So, the reason why mysql is bound to php is historical and because LAMP was very cheap to implement against DB2, Informix and Sybase. (I will not mention oracle, cus... well, you know this "new situation with oracle") In my particular point of view, I don't like too certified people because the tend to lack the hability to work aroud issues if their certified knowledge over the certifed tool doesn't had a certified way of doing the certified thing... And in the end, a multi skilled resource is much better than a single skilled resource... Hope this answer your question. On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 9:00 AM, alba.albetti wrote: > Browsing the Web I've seen that usually companies look for developers > working on MySQL and Php. Why are the two things linked? I mean I've not > found any requests for just a MySQL developer or DBA (as for example it > happens for Oracle), but it's always requested a MySQL/Php expert. > I ask for it 'cause I've always been a developer/DBA on RDBMS (Oracle and > DB2) and as I've been learning MySQL for few weeks, I'd like to know whether > and why it's so important to learn Php as well. It would be so difficult to > find a job as MySQL developer/DBA without knowing Php as well. > Thanks! > > > -- > MySQL General Mailing List > For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql > To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=mr.crip...@gmail.com > >
RE: Why is MySQL always linked to Php?
MySQL and PHP go together very well in the web development world. Almost all of PHP websites use MySQL as their database storage engine, as almost all hosting companies have installed PHP and MySQL on their servers. Maybe the jobs you're looking at, are for programmers/developers, who can take care of the mysql as well? Steven Staples > -Original Message- > From: alba.albetti [mailto:alba.albe...@libero.it] > Sent: July 15, 2010 10:00 AM > To: mysql > Subject: Why is MySQL always linked to Php? > > Browsing the Web I've seen that usually companies look for developers > working on MySQL and Php. Why are the two things linked? I mean I've not > found any requests for just a MySQL developer or DBA (as for example it > happens for Oracle), but it's always requested a MySQL/Php expert. > I ask for it 'cause I've always been a developer/DBA on RDBMS (Oracle and > DB2) and as I've been learning MySQL for few weeks, I'd like to know > whether and why it's so important to learn Php as well. It would be so > difficult to find a job as MySQL developer/DBA without knowing Php as well. > Thanks! > > > -- > MySQL General Mailing List > For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql > To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=sstap...@mnsi.net > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2991 - Release Date: 07/15/10 > 07:09:00 -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
Re: Why is MySQL always linked to Php?
At 09:00 AM 7/15/2010, alba\.albetti wrote: Browsing the Web I've seen that usually companies look for developers working on MySQL and Php. Why are the two things linked? I mean I've not found any requests for just a MySQL developer or DBA (as for example it happens for Oracle), but it's always requested a MySQL/Php expert. I ask for it 'cause I've always been a developer/DBA on RDBMS (Oracle and DB2) and as I've been learning MySQL for few weeks, I'd like to know whether and why it's so important to learn Php as well. It would be so difficult to find a job as MySQL developer/DBA without knowing Php as well. Thanks! Since both MySQL and PHP are open source, and a large percentage of websites are developed in PHP, the natural choice would be to use MySQL with PHP. You would only need to learn PHP if you are working in an environment that builds web pages. Mike -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql?unsub=arch...@jab.org
