[mythtv-users] Same as MythTV but with Radio (FM)

[Raúl Pintor Durán]

Hi. Anybody knows about a software or an extension to record multiple
channels at the same time? Instead of TV, I want to record FM channels (I
like very much radio). Is there something like that?

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Raúl Pintor Durán
Unidad Técnica de Sistemas
Servicio de Informática
Universidad de Extremadura

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Re: [mythtv-users] HD input in the future (DVI and HDMI)

[Brad Templeton]

On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 09:52:42PM -0800, Alex wrote:
> This assumes that a STB would always enable HDCP.  Perhaps they do. 
> However it would be possible for instance for an ATSC tuner to only
> enable HDCP when the broadcast flag is set.   It would depend on the
> content.

What I mean is, today if you had a set top box which would only give
you some significant part of your programming via HDCP (ie. for
example all your non-OTA, plus all your OTA with BF set) this would be
a hard sell, because too many people would not accept it, they don't
have HDCP.  They don't even have DVI on their older sets.

A few years from now, they hope that this changes, and nobody refuses
to take an STB just because it uses HDCP.
> 
> The point of HDCP is to make the content providers comfortable enough
> to enable these devices to play it.

Well, that's what they say, isn't it?   History shows this to be false,
that the vast majority of the content providers in the end, if they can't
have their way on DRM, still release the content without DRM.   However,
the CE companies have bought into it anyway, largely because it creates
barriers to entry for small competitors and open source competitors.

Or so it is suspected.  They would not say such in public.  Though I did
get one to say in public that it's all there because they have to do
something (even something that won't work or won't work for long) until
they can figure out what the hell is going on.

> Few consumers know anything about any of this technology.  
> The just want to plug it in and turn it on.  
> Very few consumers have a digital link from their player to their display.

Indeed, though one has to assume that's going to change.  I mean
from a technical standpoint, going digital all the way is what you
want.   In theory, the pixel captured on the digital camera should
stay digital until it is converted into the signals that adjust the
DLP mirror in your TV for that specific pixel.   Signals should not
be transcoded, just decompressed at the final stage.Though it is
OK to use lossless methods and compressed stream edits, plus of course
overlay channels with alpha for OSD.   We are not there yet but want to be.
 Unfortunately this is also perfect for DRM.
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Re: [mythtv-users] Skipping adverts in UK using DVB-T - supported ?

[Chris Pinkham]

> At times, it seems great (I don't skip the commercials when watching
> becuase I forgot what key it is and always forget to check), but it
> often comes up at the right place with a notification that there is a
> 3 minute commercial or whatever.
> 
> I would never enable it to cut commercials automagically though, as I
> am sure I would regret it really quickly.
> 
> To be short, it is prolly about 30% accurate is my guess.

Instead of replying to a bunch of posts from this thread, I'm replying
to a couple things in this post.

There is an undocumented setting that's been in the commercial detection
code for a while called CommBorder.  It was originally set at 10, but
I bumped it up to 20 with my latest commit.  This setting controls the
border around the video frame that is ignored by the commercial detection
code for blank-frame, logo, and scene-change detection.

I also just committed some big changes to CVS reguarding commercial
detection.  I added a new "all" method that I'm hoping to get some
feedback on to see if it works better for people.  Full changes are
described in the commit log so I won't repeat them here.  Here's a link
to the log:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/2005-January/004820.html

-- 

Chris

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Re: [mythtv-users] Myth-web and large groups

[Brad Templeton]

On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 10:32:58PM -0500, David Escott wrote:
> I am considering a MythTV setup for a large group of people (large
> residence with two shared cable TV's is always touch and go). Any
> suggestions are helpful, but in particular I have two questions:
> 
> 1) How to arrange voting.
> 
> I do not intend for anyone to use the front end but rather for them to
> use myth-web to make their scheduling requests and then download the
> program from the box after it has been recorded.

Instead of voting, just tell people who want shows to volunteer to buy
another hard drive or tuner.  Now that support for the wintv-150 is
underway, and presumbly the 500, you can load up with tuners.   People
can keep stacking in 250gb external USB 2.0 hard drives until the cows
come home, too.

It seems that doing this would be far cheaper than the labour to
create a voting system and to make it secure.

Not that I am against the general idea of having user accounts in
a PVR system.  In particular, you would like it so that the system knows
that 2 people want to watch the show, so they _both_ have to delete it
to make it actually vanish from the system.  Or more than 2.  This is
useful even in families.

But security?  Right now myth has none and it would be a good chunk of work
to add it.  While mysql does include some facilities to control access
to tables and even columns to various users, this is not used.  The
myth database often runs with a default password in an openly readable
file, and there is just one password.   

(Of course deleting from the database does not delete program files stored
on disk but makes them inaccessible via myth)

But frankly, it seems odd to work in an environment with so little trust.

Of course, with my, as you probably know, everybody's computer in their
room would be a TV viewing platform, so the question of 2 cable TVs would
no longer be an issue.   I would be amazed if you needed more than 4
tuners because so many shows are on multiple times, and myth adapts to
that.

But I suppose if you were to dig into the database you might find a
pattern of permissions that would give you some mild security over the
database at least.   But a really secure system would probably depend
on the backend having a secret master password to let it do any changes
to the database, with users having passwords that allow only reading and
perhaps inserting rows in the appropriate tables.
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Re: [mythtv-users] HDTV, Myth, HD-2000, HD-3000, questions galore (and hopefully answers from the smart people... )

[Brad Templeton]

On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 11:10:39PM -0700, Matt Porter wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 09:54:50PM -0800, Alex wrote:
> > > Atleast here in Utah, Comcast is unencrypted and has been tested with
> > > the pcHDTV HD-3000 card and it works just fine.  From my pinging around,
> > > it seems about half the US has unencrypted QAM.
> > > 
> > > --Brandon
> > 
> > Where does one ping for such things?
> > This would influence my decision between the pcHDTV card and
> > alternatives... even if it changed later encrypted...
> 
> Go to avsforum.com. Go To HDTV -> Local reception forums. Look up your
> metropolitan area and search for the answer to your question. If
> you don't find it, then post a question in your local area thread.
> 
> FWIW, Cox in Phoenix has the broadcast channels unencrypted. I have
> a TV with integrated ATSC/QAM tuner that I just hook to the Cox feed
> for my OTA viewing.

As noted, in theory they are required to offer it unencrypted.  Comcast
bay area does -- but as far as I can tell not every local digital station
is available in the clear.   Oddly, one cable station, epsn-hd, _is_
in the clear.  The rest are encrypted.

The FCC did put its foot down over the stations using encryption over
the airwaves that they are given for free.  You want to do that you have
to pay for your spectrum.   However, as a sop, they got the broadcast
flag regulations.
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Re: [mythtv-users] [OT] New ATI drivers just released for Linux(32bit & 64bit)

[Brad Templeton]

On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 10:34:22PM -0500, Evil Nathan wrote:
>   But for a budget card (I have a 9000 in there right now) it seems the 
> open-source drivers (kernel/Xorg) are the better choice.
> 
>   But I could be wrong!

Hmm.  I could not get them to work, on a 9200se card I had.  (Since
returned.)

I experienced a couple of different problems.

a) Colour inversion (but not Y channel).  I manged to fix that.
b) Xvideo window only working to about 1600 pixels wide.  On the
   right hand side was the infamous purple (xvideo overlay colour)
   bar.

It was (b) that was the killer of course.   Do you have yours working
with the open source driver?  This was in December.

I suppose I have enough CPU that I could run things at 720p (my old TV
did not do 720p on the inputs) and run a deinterlace filter on the
1080i shows   However, the TVs tend to do a much better job of that
so you prefer they do that, and it is a lot of CPU to spend as well.

I presume myth is smart enough to not run a deinterlace filter when the
video is not interlaced, ie 720p or the very rare 480p. 

My plan is to use randr and the mode-switcher to switch to 1080i on my
new TV only when needed, and stick at 720p and 480p for other video.
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[mythtv-users] Can't get audio working with MythTV

[Scott Simpson]

AverTV Studio card, Fedora 3 MythTV (Jarod's guide)
I have TV working with sound. When I run "tvtime" and 
"gnome-volume-control" I get sound and TV output and everything works 
fine. However,

1. When I exit "tvtime", and I go back into "gnome-volume-control", the 
audio level for Line In is all the way to the bottom and I have to move 
it back up again. What is doing this? I haven't even started MythTV yet.

2. According to Jarod's guide, I need to turn the Mute checkbox on Line 
In. When I do this, "tvtime" doesn't have audio output anymore but that 
is OK. Jarod's guide said this would happen but I should do it anyways. 
When I go into MythTV though and watch TV, I can watch the video but I 
get no sound. I can't get sound in MythTV whether Mute for Line In is on 
or off.

Thanks for any help.
   Scott Simpson
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [mythtv-users] HDTV, Myth, HD-2000, HD-3000, questions galore (and hopefully answers from the smart people... )

[Matt Porter]

On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 09:54:50PM -0800, Alex wrote:
> > Atleast here in Utah, Comcast is unencrypted and has been tested with
> > the pcHDTV HD-3000 card and it works just fine.  From my pinging around,
> > it seems about half the US has unencrypted QAM.
> > 
> > --Brandon
> 
> Where does one ping for such things?
> This would influence my decision between the pcHDTV card and
> alternatives... even if it changed later encrypted...

Go to avsforum.com. Go To HDTV -> Local reception forums. Look up your
metropolitan area and search for the answer to your question. If
you don't find it, then post a question in your local area thread.

FWIW, Cox in Phoenix has the broadcast channels unencrypted. I have
a TV with integrated ATSC/QAM tuner that I just hook to the Cox feed
for my OTA viewing.

-Matt
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[mythtv-users] reorganize ui in theme

[John Pratt]

Hi,
I'm working on a theme and I want to completely reorganize menu items 
from what they currently are.  For example, I plan to organize the main 
menu page with only four menu items.

Is it possible to do this without change mythtv's source code?  At 
first glance it seems like regular theme files only have the ability to 
change the appearance of menus, not decide how many there will be or 
where they will link to.

I am compiling a FAQ for mythtv theme creation so any links you can 
send me will be of help.  Thanks.

-John
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Re: [mythtv-users] HD input in the future (DVI and HDMI)

[Alex]

> I had read a source that suggested you could not get a licence for the
> HDMI stuff if you didn't promise to do HDCP, but I haven't verified that.

What would be the point of doing HDMI without HDCP?  HDMI is really
geared towards the consumer electronics market.  I have yet to see a
DVI/HDMI source in this market which didn't support HDCP.  All the
current receivers support it too.

Just because the transmitter and receiver support HDCP, one does not
have to use it unless the content provided requires that level of
protection.

> Today if you made an STB that did only HDCP, there would be many problems
> because of people who can't use it.  That, they plan to change.

This assumes that a STB would always enable HDCP.  Perhaps they do. 
However it would be possible for instance for an ATSC tuner to only
enable HDCP when the broadcast flag is set.   It would depend on the
content.

The point of HDCP is to make the content providers comfortable enough
to enable these devices to play it.

> They are currently less concerned about component video because it adds
> A2D to the problem of recording it, and today that's expensive.  But
> when it gets cheaper the goal is to marginalize that as well.

HDCP is specific to TMDS signalling, however it could be applied to
other digital forms.  The analog signal is protected by CGMS-A and
Macrovision depending on the situation.

> > Also note that there's been a lot of suggestion that HDCP is quite readily
> > crackable, quite possibly already effectively cracked; there's just not yet
> > a good motivation to distribute the cracks ala libdvdcss, since nobody
> > could yet do anything useful with the unencrypted DVI stream anyhow.

HDCP can be cracked by defeating the transmitter such that it does not
turn on encryption or by having a set of valid keys...

> They have developed whole new rafts of key revocation tech that, in theory,
> let them revoke only the solo device that was compromised.   

Yep - that's one of the intents of HDCP.  It is quite technically
feasible as each device has a unique value.  However as the previous
mail alluded to, it may never be put into much practice.  Discovery
and management of a list of compromised key sets is not trivial.

> With the long term goal of putting the decryption at the very last stage
> before display (ie. cablecard etc.) we'll probably see this sort of
> technique.

HDCP could very well have decyption (and re-encryption) at any stage. 
If you plugged your HDMI player into a HDMI aware AV receiver, it can
decypted the stream, decode the audio, and reencrypt the same stream
with different cipher seeds to your video device.

> Rather, there will be an arms race that goes back and forth.  Today we're
> in the loser category, we can't record our cable and satellite based HD
> signals.   In the future, we'll move into the winner category.  I suspect
> that _eventually_ we will win but they will always counter.

As long as people still buy the product, the content providers will be
as restrictive as possible.  Hacking/cracking always has been and will
continue to be a race.

> Consumers aren't interested in that game, only us.Few want a
> technology that can record their shows today, but might stop working
> tomorrow.

Few consumers know anything about any of this technology.  
The just want to plug it in and turn it on.  
Very few consumers have a digital link from their player to their display.
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Re: [mythtv-users] HDTV, Myth, HD-2000, HD-3000, questions galore (and hopefully answers from the smart people... )

[Alex]

> Atleast here in Utah, Comcast is unencrypted and has been tested with
> the pcHDTV HD-3000 card and it works just fine.  From my pinging around,
> it seems about half the US has unencrypted QAM.
> 
> --Brandon

Where does one ping for such things?
This would influence my decision between the pcHDTV card and
alternatives... even if it changed later encrypted...
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Re: [mythtv-users] Which Distribution?

[Simon Williams]

> Debian politics are a pain, they may have there uses but they always
> seem to go to the extremes.
> 
> Personal I've given up on stable releases from Debian.  The only place
> to be is Sid/Unstable.  The core of Debian is good but dated and
> suggestions are ignored or shot down.  I love the other packages for
> there depth and well worn ways.  Debian is too focused on server use and
> even users that use it for servers are giving up on it.
> 
> We need new smart blood at Debian to lead the way.
> 
> Paul



I felt the same way and the constant reluctance to release a new build
became a real issue for me. So I went out and started trying other
distros. Ubuntu has come out top IMO. Its debian based so you get all
the convenience of easy package management. Has a 6month release
schedule, is more focused on desktop usage ( although there is a
server install available ) is focused on only the major platforms i.e.
x86, AMD64, PPC. Considering they've not been around long they've done
a seriously good job on their first release and the new Hoary release
is set to be even better. As an added bonus myth packages are in their
archive repository making myth install a breeze.

http://www.ubuntulinux.org

Simon.
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[mythtv-users] prebuffering pause with FC3

[Darren Richards]

I've had my mythtv setup running solidy for nearly a year now with
FC1.  I decided to upgrade my hard drive and the OS at the same time. 
I've installed FC3 with the 2.6.10-1.741_FC3 kernel.  I used apt-get
and Jarod's guide.

The problem is that I'm seeing a prebuffering pause ever 2-3 seconds
while watching live or recorded TV.  I've searched the lists and tried
everything I can think of.  I've verified that DMA is enabled on my
hard drive.  I've tried switching between 16 bit and 24 bit color
depths.  I've added and changed the NvAGP option in my xorg.conf. 
I've tried different Nvidia drivers.  Nothing seems to have an effect.
 While watching live TV, X and mythfrontend together are taking
between 95-100% of my CPU.  With the same hardware and FC1, I could
record two simultaneous programs while watching a third with about 30%
CPU utilization.

I would greatly appreciate any suggestions.  I'm fairly new at this,
so please let me know what other information would be useful.  Here
are my hardware specs:

P3-700
Chaintech Nvidia GeForce4 MX440
PVR350 (not using TV out)
PVR250
SB Live Sound Card

Thanks,
Darren
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[mythtv-users] MythWeather problems

[Nathan Elliott]

I get the following error when I try to load MythWeather:

MythWeather: Warning: Failed to find link to map image.

The gui asks me to retry (doesn't work).  I get a similar error when I try
to run MythWeather setup.  I can't even get into setup to try changing my
settings or location it just keeps asking me to retry, and my only way out
is to cancel.  I thought maybe I need to reset everything, and I've poked
around, but I'm not finding where the settings are stored.  Can someone
please point me in the right direction?

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Re: [mythtv-users] HDTV, Myth, HD-2000, HD-3000, questions galore (and hopefully answers from the smart people... )

[Gabe Rubin]

> Atleast here in Utah, Comcast is unencrypted and has been tested with
> the pcHDTV HD-3000 card and it works just fine.  From my pinging around,
> it seems about half the US has unencrypted QAM.
> 
is this just broadcast they do unencrypted or other stations?


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[mythtv-users] Re: FC3 Install Boot errors

[Gregg]

Okay. I 'm a newbie can you point me to a place that can tell me how
to do either one?

thanks.


On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 03:07:09 +0100, Axel Thimm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 04:15:04PM -0800, Gregg wrote:
> > Help.  I just installed FC3 using Jarods Guide using
> > 2.6.10-1.741_FC3smp.  I have the box up and running, but on boot I get
> > some permissions errors when syncing NTP.  Something to the effect of
> > Permission Denied libm.so.6, and a couple of others I can try to get
> > them on reboot if needed.  This only happend after I did a apt-get
> > dist-upgrade, otherwise the system is functioning ok.
> 
> You installed/upgraded FC3 with selinux, but diud not relabel the
> filesystems. Either relabel them or turn off selinux.
> --
> Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net
> 
> 
>
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Re: [mythtv-users] XFX Nvidia HDTV Output?

[Joe Barnhart]

--- Colin Smillie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> Has anyone had any success with the XFX Nvida HDTV
> output?  Not really
> clear to me how it works but it looks like the card
> has a connection
> for a component output cable ( in addition to 2 DVI
> outputs ). 

I was at Fry's Electronics yesterday and noticed they
have a bunch of GF 6600 GT cards for sale, all priced
about $250.  Most seem to be PCIExpress boards, but
there were a couple of AGP models too.  I was tempted
to buy one just to try, but I'm pretty sure all that
"encoding, decoding, scaling, antialiasing" hooey is
only for the Windoze driver.  The Linux driver they
supply is pretty darned basic and doesn't do a very
good job of scaling 720 to 1080 -- at least on my GF
5200 FX.  The ABC and FOX football games look pretty
bad because of all the jaggies on near-horizontal
lines.  OTOH the CBS broadcasts at 1080i look fantastic.



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Re: [mythtv-users] HDTV, Myth, HD-2000, HD-3000, questions galore (and hopefully answers from the smart people... )

[Brandon Beattie]

On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 10:06:02PM -0500, Roy Murphy wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:01:50 -0500, Gabe Rubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > is there such a thing as unencrypted QAM offered by any of the US
> > cable companies?  If so, do folks believe that will be the case for a
> > while?  I am curious as to, beside broadcast channels in HD, what can
> > the HD-3000 give you?
> 
> It's my understanding that the FCC requires OTA channels to be
> unencrypted on cable. I don't know if any cable companies actually
> *offer* unencrypted HD locals today. We might not know until QAM
> support is released and we start trying it here and there.

Atleast here in Utah, Comcast is unencrypted and has been tested with
the pcHDTV HD-3000 card and it works just fine.  From my pinging around,
it seems about half the US has unencrypted QAM.

--Brandon
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[mythtv-users] Re: Re: New Mac Mini

[Brad]

Title: Re: Re: New Mac Mini


But
don't believe your Mac-loving friends that an X GHz PPC is
better
than
a 2X or 3X GHz P4. It isn't true, or at least depends on
your
 application.

Actually it is true. The
architecture is much better and more efficient than Pentiums. The G3
that you used in your benchmarks is very old. Even low-end macs (ala
Mac mini) use the G4, which was a substantial improvement over the
G3... and the G5 was an even bigger improvement over the G4 and is
truly amazing (and even it is built-into the low-end iMacs). Of
course, all computers and processors will have advantages and
disadvantages in certain areas which can be shown with a specific
application, so a general and outdated comparison like this is really
distorting reality and not very helpful.

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[mythtv-users] PVR-350 TV-OUT tests not working

[Frutillar]

Hi.

I am following Jarod´s instructions to set tv-out and I am not getting the 
appropriate results. When I do a

 # /sbin/rmmod saa7127
 # /sbin/modprobe saa7127 test_image=1

or even

 # /sbin/rmmod saa7127
 # /sbin/modprobe saa712

I get a blank screen full of lines and.  The lines are mainly white, but they 
seem to have several other colors as well.  ... so it seems I am not getting 
a test image.

I then followed the setup of the parameters for NTSC...

 # /usr/bin/ivtvctl -u 0x3000
 # /usr/bin/ivtvctl -p 4
 # /usr/bin/ivtvctl -f width=720,height=480

without any issues (the output text seems appropriate)

 # /usr/bin/ivtvctl -u 0x3000
 # /usr/bin/ivtvctl -p 4
 # /usr/bin/ivtvctl -f width=720,height=480

Now.  When I do

# /usr/bin/ivtvfbctl /dev/fb0 -globalalpha -nolocalalpha

I get the same screen full of white-ish lines, so I try

# /usr/bin/ivtvfbctl /dev/fb1 -alpha -on -globalalpha -nolocalalpha

and the screen goes black.

What am I missing?



Here´s the output of var/log/messages:
Jan 17 18:30:23 mbox kernel: ivtv:  START INIT IVTV 

Jan 17 18:30:23 mbox kernel: ivtv: version 0.3.2 (a) loading
Jan 17 18:30:23 mbox kernel: ivtv: Linux version: 2.6.8.1-12mdk 686 gcc-3.4
Jan 17 18:30:23 mbox kernel: ivtv: In case of problems please include the 
debug info
Jan 17 18:30:23 mbox kernel: ivtv: between the START INIT IVTV and END INIT 
IVTV lines when
Jan 17 18:30:23 mbox kernel: ivtv: mailing the ivtv-devel mailinglist.
Jan 17 18:30:23 mbox kernel: ivtv: Autodetected WinTV PVR 350 card
Jan 17 18:30:23 mbox kernel: ivtv: Found an iTVC15 based chip
Jan 17 18:30:23 mbox kernel: ivtv: Unreasonably low latency timer, setting to 
64 (was 32)
Jan 17 18:30:23 mbox kernel: ivtv: VIA PCI device: 0x3123 vendor: 0x1106
Jan 17 18:30:23 mbox kernel: tveeprom: Ignoring new-style parameters in 
presence of obsolete ones
Jan 17 18:30:23 mbox kernel: tveeprom: Hauppauge: model = 48132, rev = K168, 
serial# = 7391078
Jan 17 18:30:23 mbox kernel: tveeprom: tuner = LG TAPE H001F MK3 (idx = 68, 
type = 47)
Jan 17 18:30:23 mbox kernel: tveeprom: tuner fmt = NTSC(M) (eeprom = 0x08, 
v4l2 = 0x1000)
Jan 17 18:30:23 mbox kernel: tveeprom: audio_processor = MSP3440 (type = 11)
Jan 17 18:30:23 mbox kernel: ivtv: i2c attach [client=tveeprom[0],ok]
Jan 17 18:30:23 mbox kernel: ivtv: Tuner Type 47, Tuner formats 0x1000, 
Radio: yes, Model 0x00ad1598, Revision 0x0001
Jan 17 18:30:23 mbox kernel: ivtv: NTSC tuner detected
Jan 17 18:30:23 mbox kernel: ivtv: Radio detected
Jan 17 18:30:24 mbox kernel: tuner: chip found at addr 0xc2 i2c-bus ivtv i2c 
driver #0
Jan 17 18:30:24 mbox kernel: ivtv: i2c attach [client=(tuner unset),ok]
Jan 17 18:30:24 mbox kernel: saa7115: Ignoring new-style parameters in 
presence of obsolete ones
Jan 17 18:30:24 mbox kernel: saa7115: starting probe for adapter ivtv i2c 
driver #0 (0x10005)
Jan 17 18:30:24 mbox kernel: saa7115: detecting saa7115 client on address 0x42
Jan 17 18:30:24 mbox kernel: saa7115: writing init values
Jan 17 18:30:24 mbox kernel: ivtv: i2c attach [client=saa7115[0],ok]
Jan 17 18:30:24 mbox kernel: saa7115: status: (1E) 0x48, (1F) 0xc0
Jan 17 18:30:24 mbox kernel: saa7127: Ignoring new-style parameters in 
presence of obsolete ones
Jan 17 18:30:24 mbox kernel: saa7127: video encoder driver version V 0.3 
loaded
Jan 17 18:30:24 mbox kernel: saa7127: detecting saa7127 client on address 0x88
Jan 17 18:30:24 mbox kernel: saa7127: Selecting NTSC video Standard
Jan 17 18:30:24 mbox kernel: saa7127: Selecting S-Video+Composite
Jan 17 18:30:24 mbox kernel: saa7127: Turn WSS off
Jan 17 18:30:24 mbox kernel: saa7127: Widescreen Mode 4:3 Full Format
Jan 17 18:30:24 mbox kernel: saa7127: Selecting Normal Encoder Input
Jan 17 18:30:24 mbox kernel: saa7127: Enable Video Output
Jan 17 18:30:24 mbox kernel: ivtv: i2c attach [client=saa7127[0],ok]
Jan 17 18:30:24 mbox kernel: msp3400: Ignoring new-style parameters in 
presence of obsolete ones
Jan 17 18:30:24 mbox kernel: msp34xx: ivtv version
Jan 17 18:30:24 mbox kernel: msp34xx: init: chip=MSP3448W-A2, has NICAM 
support, simple (D) mode, simpler (G) no-thread mode
Jan 17 18:30:24 mbox kernel: msp34xx: $Id$ compiled on: Jan  9 2005 16:13:56
Jan 17 18:30:24 mbox kernel: ivtv: i2c attach [client=MSP3448W-A2,ok]
Jan 17 18:30:25 mbox kernel: ivtv: Encoder revision: 0x02040011
Jan 17 18:30:25 mbox kernel: ivtv: Decoder revision: 0x02020023
Jan 17 18:30:25 mbox kernel: ivtv: Configuring WinTV PVR 350 card with 10 
streams
Jan 17 18:30:25 mbox kernel: ivtv: Create DMA stream 0 using 256 16384 byte 
buffers  4194304 kbytes total
Jan 17 18:30:25 mbox kernel: ivtv: Registered v4l2 device, streamtype 0 minor 
0
Jan 17 18:30:25 mbox kernel: ivtv: Create DMA stream 1
Jan 17 18:30:25 mbox kernel: ivtv: Registered v4l2 device, streamtype 1 minor 
32
Jan 17 18:30:25 mbox kernel: ivtv: Create stream 2 using 40 52224 byte buffers  
2097152 kbytes total
Jan 17 18:30:25 mbox kernel: ivtv: Registered v4l2 device, str

[mythtv-users] XFX Nvidia HDTV Output?

[Colin Smillie]

Hi,
Has anyone had any success with the XFX Nvida HDTV output?  Not really
clear to me how it works but it looks like the card has a connection
for a component output cable ( in addition to 2 DVI outputs ).  You
can find it for sale on Tigerdirect ( Canadian Site ) here :

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1121824&Sku=P450-8529

Or on the XFX site here:

http://www.xfxforce.com/product_view.php?sku=PVT43AND

Not alot of detail beyond the built-in HDTV encoder...

Thanks,

Colin Smillie
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Re: [mythtv-users] cut list woes

[Chris Pinkham]

> > > 3. Transcoding only elminates the first cut.  Consider a typical 
> > > program with leading junk, program, commercial, program, ..., 
> > > commercial, program, trailing junk.  mythtranscode elminates the 
> > > leading junk but not the commercials or trailing junk.  This is true 
> > > whether I use the transcoding selected from the myth menus or 
> > > nuvexport's export to Divx (mode 6): both run mythtranscode.  (Other 
> > > nuvexport options run transcode to read the .nuv file, resulting in 
> > > bad A/V sync problems; this is probably unrelated to the cut list 
> > > issue, though.)  It doesn't matter whether I'm using a new recording 
> > > or a very old recording with an old cut list.

For people who didn't see the commit log or didn't relate the bugfix
with this problem, this cutlist bug in mythtranscode should be fixed
in CVS now I believe.
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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: OSD in Widescreen

[David Whyte]

what version of myth are you running?  My OSD stretched out of view
when I am on anything but 4:3 (on a 17" monitor) on 0.16 (AT rpms).

Dave


On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:24:25 -0500, Michael J. Sherman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  Love to see this fixed.. In the same boat myself.
> >
> > I think it's because myth is only displaying the raw IVTV feed, which
> > is coming in at XXXxXXX and not resized.
> >
> > Seems fixable to me, however, I agree.
> 
> I have a 16:9 widescreen television, and whatever zoom mode I'm in the
> OSD still shows up on screen as desired, but it will be in the center
> 4:3 portion.  Trust me, you want this.  It used to be busted (the OSD
> would be off the screen if you were in a zoom mode).
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] Skipping adverts in UK using DVB-T - supported ?

[David Whyte]

At times, it seems great (I don't skip the commercials when watching
becuase I forgot what key it is and always forget to check), but it
often comes up at the right place with a notification that there is a
3 minute commercial or whatever.

I would never enable it to cut commercials automagically though, as I
am sure I would regret it really quickly.

To be short, it is prolly about 30% accurate is my guess.

Dave


On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:00:50 +1100, Phill Edwards
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I seem to get a line like mark across the top of ABC recordings (I
> > haven't noticed it on the commercial stations [and currently can't
> > tune SBS]).  I only notice it when viewing the NUV's directly as I
> > crop the top couple of pixels in MythFrontend.
> >
> > Is this the line you are referring to Paul.  If it is, you may have
> > saved me some work, as it was one of the next tasks on my list of
> > things to do; eliminate the line of NUV file playback.
> >
> > I heard that the commercial detection code was going to cut the outer
> > couple of pixels to prevent this from effecting the detection
> > routines.  Makes no difference to us Aussies as it only appears on
> > ABC, which has no ads anyway!
> 
> Dave (or anyone else in Oz for that matter) - are you using commercial
> detection in Oz? If so, how effective is it and what settings are you
> using?
> 
> Regards,
> Phill
> 


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Re: [mythtv-users] Skipping adverts in UK using DVB-T - supported ?

[Phill Edwards]

> I seem to get a line like mark across the top of ABC recordings (I
> haven't noticed it on the commercial stations [and currently can't
> tune SBS]).  I only notice it when viewing the NUV's directly as I
> crop the top couple of pixels in MythFrontend.
> 
> Is this the line you are referring to Paul.  If it is, you may have
> saved me some work, as it was one of the next tasks on my list of
> things to do; eliminate the line of NUV file playback.
> 
> I heard that the commercial detection code was going to cut the outer
> couple of pixels to prevent this from effecting the detection
> routines.  Makes no difference to us Aussies as it only appears on
> ABC, which has no ads anyway!

Dave (or anyone else in Oz for that matter) - are you using commercial
detection in Oz? If so, how effective is it and what settings are you
using?

Regards,
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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Newbie: FC3 - MythTVsetup GUI issue.

[Colin Smillie]

Going to the FC2 fonts on FC3 has definetly corrected my problems. 
I've tried a couple different theme and its perfect in all now.


On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:02:54 -0500, Ian Trider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:25:16 +1100, jani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The problem is to do with font sizes. Install the FC2 version of the
> > urw-fonts package as described here:
> > http://www.users.on.net/~jani/dvico-mythtv-10.html#ss10.1
> > That should fix the problems you're seeing.
> 
> I think this is a separate issue, since I am using that version of
> urw-fonts in FC2 and have the same problem.
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] FC3 Install Boot errors

[Harry Orenstein]

On Monday 17 January 2005 7:15 pm, Gregg wrote:
> Help.  I just installed FC3 using Jarods Guide using
> 2.6.10-1.741_FC3smp.  I have the box up and running, but on boot I get
> some permissions errors when syncing NTP.  Something to the effect of
> Permission Denied libm.so.6, and a couple of others I can try to get
> them on reboot if needed.  This only happend after I did a apt-get
> dist-upgrade, otherwise the system is functioning ok.
>
> thanks.
>
> -Gregg

Serves you right for enabling SELinux.  Try running /sbin/fixfiles.  If that 
doesn't work you might have to edit the contexts file in file_contexts for 
ntp.


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Re: [mythtv-users] MythGame fceu-sdl slowness...

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Josh wrote:
It would surprise me greatly that given the large group of people on here that
are using the PVR-350's TV-out that this problem is widespread.  I'm still
going to hold out hope that there is some sort of command line argument that
resolves this issue.
Otherwise, I think we should look into figuring out a way to resolve this
one, the PVR-350 TV-out should suffice for this.
Anyone else experiencing this one?
Josh
Jå§òÑ [EMAIL PROTECTED]  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

I've got the same problem.  That's the price you pay for using the
pvr-350 tv-out.  I don't believe there is anyway around it.  If there
is a solution I'd very mush like to here it.
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Last time I checked, I had the same problem with my nVidia tv-out on a 
Athlon 2000. I rarely use it so I didn't bother troubleshooting.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Can't apt-get ivtv

[Jason Blair]

opps...looks like you might have to leave the _FC3 off those commands.

sorry.


On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:38:12 -0500, Jason Blair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> cd /var/cache/apt/archives
> rpm -Uvh video4linux-kmdl-2.6.10-1.741_FC3*.rpm
> rpm -Uvh ivtv-kmdl-2.6.10-1.741_FC3*.rpm
> 
> That worked for me tonight.  I can't saw it's the 'right' thing to do,
> but it is what I did to get past that point.
> 
> Hope that helps!
> 
> 
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:17:47 -0600, Drew Zerdecki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have been screwing around with kernels after having installed myth.
> > Now after removing and reinstalling mythtv packages, I ran into the
> > following while apt-getting ivtv...  I'd appreciate any help.
> >
> > Thanks...
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] modules]# apt-get install ivtv
> > Reading Package Lists... Done
> > Building Dependency Tree... Done
> > The following extra packages will be installed:
> >   ivtv-kmdl-2.6.10-1.741_FC3 perl-Video-ivtv 
> > video4linux-kmdl-2.6.10-1.741_FC3
> > The following NEW packages will be installed:
> >   ivtv ivtv-kmdl-2.6.10-1.741_FC3 perl-Video-ivtv
> >   video4linux-kmdl-2.6.10-1.741_FC3
> > 0 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 removed and 24 not upgraded.
> > Need to get 0B/297kB of archives.
> > After unpacking 764kB of additional disk space will be used.
> > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
> > Committing changes...
> > Preparing...### 
> > [100%]
> > file 
> > /lib/modules/2.6.10-1.741_FC3/updates/drivers/media/video/tveeprom.ko
> > conflicts between attempted installs of
> > ivtv-kmdl-2.6.10-1.741_FC3-0.1.10-48.4_pre2_ck100zz.rhfc3.at and
> > video4linux-kmdl-2.6.10-1.741_FC3-20050113_172233-54.rhfc3.at
> > E: Error while running transaction
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Re: [mythtv-users] Can't apt-get ivtv

[Jason Blair]

cd /var/cache/apt/archives
rpm -Uvh video4linux-kmdl-2.6.10-1.741_FC3*.rpm
rpm -Uvh ivtv-kmdl-2.6.10-1.741_FC3*.rpm

That worked for me tonight.  I can't saw it's the 'right' thing to do,
but it is what I did to get past that point.

Hope that helps!



On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:17:47 -0600, Drew Zerdecki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have been screwing around with kernels after having installed myth.
> Now after removing and reinstalling mythtv packages, I ran into the
> following while apt-getting ivtv...  I'd appreciate any help.
> 
> Thanks...
> 
> Drew
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] modules]# apt-get install ivtv
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> The following extra packages will be installed:
>   ivtv-kmdl-2.6.10-1.741_FC3 perl-Video-ivtv video4linux-kmdl-2.6.10-1.741_FC3
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   ivtv ivtv-kmdl-2.6.10-1.741_FC3 perl-Video-ivtv
>   video4linux-kmdl-2.6.10-1.741_FC3
> 0 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 removed and 24 not upgraded.
> Need to get 0B/297kB of archives.
> After unpacking 764kB of additional disk space will be used.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
> Committing changes...
> Preparing...### [100%]
> file 
> /lib/modules/2.6.10-1.741_FC3/updates/drivers/media/video/tveeprom.ko
> conflicts between attempted installs of
> ivtv-kmdl-2.6.10-1.741_FC3-0.1.10-48.4_pre2_ck100zz.rhfc3.at and
> video4linux-kmdl-2.6.10-1.741_FC3-20050113_172233-54.rhfc3.at
> E: Error while running transaction
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] modules]#
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Re: [mythtv-users] [OT] New ATI drivers just released for Linux(32bit & 64bit)

[Evil Nathan]

   I'm using Gentoo, and used someone else's ebuild to download/install 
them.

  To be honest, I've noticed nothing all that great about them, though I 
haven't had a chance to try 1080i yet (I'll try that tonight if I decide to 
stick with them).  But as far as performance go, the open-source drivers 
seem to be out-performing ati's proprietary driver.  Which is fairly sad 
when you think about it.

  So I'll fiddle tonight with my VGA->Component adapter and the modelines, 
as well as the extra settings the fglrx driver has over the open-source 
driver, and let you know what my final thoughts are.

  But for a budget card (I have a 9000 in there right now) it seems the 
open-source drivers (kernel/Xorg) are the better choice.

  But I could be wrong!
  nathan
- Original Message - 
Would very much like to hear reports of success and failure here.
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[mythtv-users] Myth-web and large groups

[David Escott]

I am considering a MythTV setup for a large group of people (large
residence with two shared cable TV's is always touch and go). Any
suggestions are helpful, but in particular I have two questions:

1) How to arrange voting.

I do not intend for anyone to use the front end but rather for them to
use myth-web to make their scheduling requests and then download the
program from the box after it has been recorded.

It seems that the best way to do this is to use the program priority
as a proxy for voting. Allow each ip address so many program requests
a week and make duplicate requests a increase in priority for that
program. Has anyone attempted this or had success with it in the past?

2) Locking down the box.

Also I need to lock down the box. Can't have one person deleting
another persons recording request simply because they can't outvote
them. I figure I just need to rather liberally excise certain portions
of myth-web so I don't anticipate any problems but if I'm missing
something please let me know.

Any guidance is greatly appreciated.
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Re: [mythtv-users] Which Distribution?

[Paul Andreassen]

If we can keep this thread going, then there will be no need to start a
new one in two weeks.

On Tue, 2005-01-18 at 02:35, Roy Murphy wrote:
> > All Debian upgrades consist of 'apt-get' to newer
> > versions of individual packages; you are never required
> > to reinstall, and a reinstall is never easier. So if you
> > use third party packages which require newer base
> > packages, apt-get will fetch those for you. No big deal.
> > 
> > For those who aren't aware, apt-get is a Debian program
> > originally.
> 
> I have political differences with the people behind Debian which have
> kept me from trying the distribution. They are too ideological for me.

Debian politics are a pain, they may have there uses but they always
seem to go to the extremes.

Personal I've given up on stable releases from Debian.  The only place
to be is Sid/Unstable.  The core of Debian is good but dated and
suggestions are ignored or shot down.  I love the other packages for
there depth and well worn ways.  Debian is too focused on server use and
even users that use it for servers are giving up on it.

We need new smart blood at Debian to lead the way.

Paul


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Re: [mythtv-users] Skipping adverts in UK using DVB-T - supported ?

[David Whyte]

I seem to get a line like mark across the top of ABC recordings (I
haven't noticed it on the commercial stations [and currently can't
tune SBS]).  I only notice it when viewing the NUV's directly as I
crop the top couple of pixels in MythFrontend.

Is this the line you are referring to Paul.  If it is, you may have
saved me some work, as it was one of the next tasks on my list of
things to do; eliminate the line of NUV file playback.

I heard that the commercial detection code was going to cut the outer
couple of pixels to prevent this from effecting the detection
routines.  Makes no difference to us Aussies as it only appears on
ABC, which has no ads anyway!

Dave

> 
> The current system apparently works OK for analog recordings.  My dvb-t
> stream comes with a dotted line at the top which probably interferes
> with detecting.
> 
> > can anyone enlighten me ?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> >
> > Jules (UK/DVB-T user)
> 
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[mythtv-users] Re: OSD in Widescreen

[Michael J. Sherman]

 Love to see this fixed.. In the same boat myself.
I think it's because myth is only displaying the raw IVTV feed, which
is coming in at XXXxXXX and not resized.
Seems fixable to me, however, I agree. 
I have a 16:9 widescreen television, and whatever zoom mode I'm in the 
OSD still shows up on screen as desired, but it will be in the center 
4:3 portion.  Trust me, you want this.  It used to be busted (the OSD 
would be off the screen if you were in a zoom mode).

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[mythtv-users] Can't apt-get ivtv

[Drew Zerdecki]

I have been screwing around with kernels after having installed myth. 
Now after removing and reinstalling mythtv packages, I ran into the
following while apt-getting ivtv...  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks...

Drew


[EMAIL PROTECTED] modules]# apt-get install ivtv
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  ivtv-kmdl-2.6.10-1.741_FC3 perl-Video-ivtv video4linux-kmdl-2.6.10-1.741_FC3
The following NEW packages will be installed:
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Re: [mythtv-users] Skipping adverts in UK using DVB-T - supported ?

[Paul Andreassen]

On Tue, 2005-01-18 at 09:28, Martin Ebourne wrote:
> I get that too. DVB-T UK. Channels have a changing dotted line at the
> top, which clearly has some binary counters in it. Can't see it on the
> tv due to overscan, but get it when I run a frontend on the laptop.

The ones I see are unchanging.  Analog tv has always had this line.  It
usually encodes time, close captions and teletext.

> Any idea what causes it? I'd assumed it was a video card thing. Maybe it
> does upset the commercial detection after all.

This is part of the signal from the station.

Paul

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Re: [mythtv-users] Skipping adverts in UK using DVB-T - supported ?

[Paul Andreassen]

On Tue, 2005-01-18 at 09:24, Phill Edwards wrote:
> > In Australia, all commercial breaks begin and end with a blank (black)
> > frame.
> Paul - is that true for analogue TV as well (I see you're on digital),
> and are you getting good commercial detection? Mine is abysmal. What
> are your commercial detection settings in your setup - I'd like to get
> this working if I can.

Analogue TV does have the blank frames.  Some guys from the university I
went to built a device to detect them.  It was for VCR commercial
removal.  When they tried to sell it, they found that there was already
a device available.  

I gave up on commercial detection but just realized last night that only
abc and seven have the dotted line at the top, and maybe commercial
detection will work for the other channels.

Paul

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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Mythtv on x86_64 SMP

[Ian Forde]

On Tue, 2005-01-18 at 00:59 +0100, Axel Thimm wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 09:17:07AM -0800, Ian Forde wrote:
> > The ugly:
> > 1. Not a lot of people are going the x86_64 route.  If you're planning
> > on using Fedora Core 3, expect problems.  Lots of problems.  You may
> > want to consider Gentoo.  So I'd recommend compiling myth and going with
> > CVS.
> 
> Why do you expect more problems with FC3? In fact all FCx builds at
> ATrpms are made on FC3/x86_64 dual opterons, so there are people using
> x86_64. :)

For me, it's the combination of FC3 and x86_64.  So far (and bear in
mind I'm not complaining about anyone but Red Hat here)...

1. UDEV breakage.  The fact that the module loader doesn't work the way
I expect it to - I have to put the loading of modules into a script, and
udev doesn't always pick it up.
2. For so apparent reason, last night haldaemon started spawning lots
and lots of processes.
3. I can't get a backtrace, and efforts to compile with the DEBUG
setting have gone ignored by the developers.  (This, alone, can stop
early adopters from going the x86_64 route.)
4. Red Hat's dual package breakage of yum and apt.
5. Mythmusic was broken on x86_64 for about 4 months because of a goom
compilation problem.  I know it's CVS, but it what it is.

This is not to say that myth doesn't work on FC3/x86_64, only that it
can be problematic...

> Did you try the ATrpms x86_64 CVS builds?

Nope - started with RPMs back in '03, then went to a source-based
install of Myth early in 04.  I still use RPMs for the dependent parts
though... Going with source for me was a way of staying closer to
solving installation problems.  Plus, I'm a sysadmin by trace.  I can
handle it!

-I

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Re: [mythtv-users] HDTV, Myth, HD-2000, HD-3000, questions galore (and hopefully answers from the smart people... )

[Roy Murphy]

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:01:50 -0500, Gabe Rubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> is there such a thing as unencrypted QAM offered by any of the US
> cable companies?  If so, do folks believe that will be the case for a
> while?  I am curious as to, beside broadcast channels in HD, what can
> the HD-3000 give you?

It's my understanding that the FCC requires OTA channels to be
unencrypted on cable. I don't know if any cable companies actually
*offer* unencrypted HD locals today. We might not know until QAM
support is released and we start trying it here and there.
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[mythtv-users] Re: Mythtv on x86_64 SMP

[Axel Thimm]

On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 07:51:59PM -0500, Tom wrote:
> Axel Thimm wrote:
> >On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 09:17:07AM -0800, Ian Forde wrote:
> >
> >>The ugly:
> >>1. Not a lot of people are going the x86_64 route.  If you're planning
> >>on using Fedora Core 3, expect problems.  Lots of problems.  You may
> >>want to consider Gentoo.  So I'd recommend compiling myth and going with
> >>CVS.
> >
> >
> >Why do you expect more problems with FC3? In fact all FCx builds at
> >ATrpms are made on FC3/x86_64 dual opterons, so there are people using
> >x86_64. :)
> >
> >Did you try the ATrpms x86_64 CVS builds?
> 
> Axel,
>  Sorry for replying off-list, but I didn't want to bug others with 
> stuff that's been hashed over many times, stuff that I simply don't 
> understand. I don't expect a tutorial from a busy guy like yourself, but 
> maybe you can help me with some things.
> 
> 1. If I am running an x86_64 opteron system, do I install FC3 with 
> multi-lib support? Since Myth-Tv is 32 bit, wouldn't I need multi-lib 
> for that, or am I not understanding what multi-lib means?

you understand correct, but who sais mythtv is limited to 32 bits?
ATrpms happily ships 64 bits, too (although there are some 64 bit bugs
still).

> 2. If I use multi-lib, I cannot use apt, correct?

Yes.

> Isn't yum broken for this as well?

No, yum is broken in some aspects but not specific to 64 bits or
multilib.

> Does this mean I have to compile on my own?

No, you can use yum or smart and if the resolver fails help with
manually specifying the packages. And if all else fails download and
install manually. still easier than building your own.

> Not that I have a huge problem with that, but I'm not savvy enough
> to figure out what goes wrong when compiling on my own.
> 
> 3. I have never used and don't really get CVS. Is there a good howto or 
> newbie tutorial out there for understanding CVS and how they apply to 
> something like Myth-Tv?

Probably too many tutorials to name one. I'd check out molly's page,
if it still exists, or simply http://www.google.com/search?q=cvs+howto

> You may recall I've emailed you a couple of time regarding x86_64. I'm 
> sitting here with about $1500 in hardware that isn't doing anything, and 
>  I'd really like to get myth going on it, so ANY help or pointers you 
> can give would be appreciated.

The best help and pointers are gathered on the lists I guess.
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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Mythtv on x86_64 SMP

[Tom]

Axel Thimm wrote:
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 09:17:07AM -0800, Ian Forde wrote:
The ugly:
1. Not a lot of people are going the x86_64 route.  If you're planning
on using Fedora Core 3, expect problems.  Lots of problems.  You may
want to consider Gentoo.  So I'd recommend compiling myth and going with
CVS.

Why do you expect more problems with FC3? In fact all FCx builds at
ATrpms are made on FC3/x86_64 dual opterons, so there are people using
x86_64. :)
Did you try the ATrpms x86_64 CVS builds?
Axel,
 Sorry for replying off-list, but I didn't want to bug others with 
stuff that's been hashed over many times, stuff that I simply don't 
understand. I don't expect a tutorial from a busy guy like yourself, but 
maybe you can help me with some things.

1. If I am running an x86_64 opteron system, do I install FC3 with 
multi-lib support? Since Myth-Tv is 32 bit, wouldn't I need multi-lib 
for that, or am I not understanding what multi-lib means?

2. If I use multi-lib, I cannot use apt, correct? Isn't yum broken for 
this as well? Does this mean I have to compile on my own? Not that I 
have a huge problem with that, but I'm not savvy enough to figure out 
what goes wrong when compiling on my own.

3. I have never used and don't really get CVS. Is there a good howto or 
newbie tutorial out there for understanding CVS and how they apply to 
something like Myth-Tv?

You may recall I've emailed you a couple of time regarding x86_64. I'm 
sitting here with about $1500 in hardware that isn't doing anything, and 
 I'd really like to get myth going on it, so ANY help or pointers you 
can give would be appreciated.

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Re: [mythtv-users] HDTV, Myth, HD-2000, HD-3000, questions galore (and hopefully answers from the smart people... )

[Cecil Watson]

Gabe Rubin wrote:
So far, the HD-2000/3000 only do OTA.  Supposedly they'll soon do
*unencrypted* QAM-encoded digital cable.
   

is there such a thing as unencrypted QAM offered by any of the US
cable companies?  If so, do folks believe that will be the case for a
while?  I am curious as to, beside broadcast channels in HD, what can
the HD-3000 give you?
 

I watch an interview w/ Mark Cuban once and he stated that HD was 
unencrypted and if I remember correctly it would remain so.  With the 
big media companies scooping one another, broadcast stations and cable 
companies up I serious doubt that anything unencrypted would remain so 
for long.  These are the same companies that wanted the broadcast flag. 
sigh...
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[mythtv-users] Re: FC3 Install Boot errors

[Axel Thimm]

On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 04:15:04PM -0800, Gregg wrote:
> Help.  I just installed FC3 using Jarods Guide using 
> 2.6.10-1.741_FC3smp.  I have the box up and running, but on boot I get
> some permissions errors when syncing NTP.  Something to the effect of
> Permission Denied libm.so.6, and a couple of others I can try to get
> them on reboot if needed.  This only happend after I did a apt-get
> dist-upgrade, otherwise the system is functioning ok.

You installed/upgraded FC3 with selinux, but diud not relabel the
filesystems. Either relabel them or turn off selinux.
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Re: [mythtv-users] HDTV, Myth, HD-2000, HD-3000, questions galore (and hopefully answers from the smart people... )

[Gabe Rubin]

> So far, the HD-2000/3000 only do OTA.  Supposedly they'll soon do
> *unencrypted* QAM-encoded digital cable.
> 
is there such a thing as unencrypted QAM offered by any of the US
cable companies?  If so, do folks believe that will be the case for a
while?  I am curious as to, beside broadcast channels in HD, what can
the HD-3000 give you?

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Re: [mythtv-users] HDTV, Myth, HD-2000, HD-3000, questions galore (and hopefully answers from the smart people... )

[Julian]

Hi,

sorry if i sound like a schmoe...I have only been
looking at this for a week, but glad to contribute to
this effort from a newbie point of view.  I would also
like to add that in theory by capturing the HD signal
on the way to the TV after the set top box, one can
get unencrypted streams.  In order to tune the
channels one could use an IR blaster or a serial cable
(http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-21.html#ss21.24).
 Comments/Addition Inline:

> Subject: HDTV, Myth, and you...
> 
> Hardware:
> -- Do the HD-2000 work better, or are better
> supported than the HD-3000 cards?
> -- Are there any other cards which do OTA ATSC HD
> recordings?

Someone recently claimed that the Air2PC
(http://www.cyberestore.com/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=103)
card works with MythTv via the DVB interface
(http://www.digitalregime.com/mythdvb/).  The downside
of this card (from the above referenced site for the
card) is that it seems to only have a coax input and
makes no mention of the broadcast flag/QAM
support/encoding methodology.

> -- Which cards only work for DVB? Which only for
> OTA?
Perhaps a clarification between DVB-C, DBV-S, and
DVB-T should be made.  Or better yet a reference to
http://www.dvb.org/index.php?id=9 if it is still
relevant.

> -- Which cards work with encrypted sources?
> 
> Playback:
> -- How much CPU power is required to playback 1080i
> or 720p streams?
> -- Are most converting down to 540p for playback?
> What steps are
> involved in doing that?
> 
> OS:
> -- What Kernel, IVTV/V4L/  are recommended for:
> -- HD-2000
> -- HD-3000
> 
> >From what I can glean, best way to succeed is to
> install the HD card
> into a different backend (if you already have a
> backend with PVR-XXX's
> in them) run a 2.6 kernel, and patch patch patch.
> 
> Thanks to all in advance for any contributions to
> this information..
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Re: [mythtv-users] mythfilldatabase howto?

[Da Worm]

> Thank you for everything. It seems everything is working ok. I was 
> wondering why I can not do
> 
> # myth filldatabase

You aren't really putting that space in there, are you?

Jeff.


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Re: [mythtv-users] HDTV, Myth, HD-2000, HD-3000, questions galore (and hopefully answers from the smart people... )

[Kyle Rose]

> Hardware:
> -- Do the HD-2000 work better, or are better supported than the
> HD-3000 cards?

I find the 3000 cards work much, much better in my setup than the 2000
cards.  The 2000 cards appear to have too small a hardware FIFO, so in
some machines they may not be able to get access to the PCI bus
quickly enough to avoid FIFO overruns.

> -- Which cards only work for DVB? Which only for OTA?

So far, the HD-2000/3000 only do OTA.  Supposedly they'll soon do
*unencrypted* QAM-encoded digital cable.

> -- How much CPU power is required to playback 1080i or 720p streams?

My 3.2G P4 with HT uses about 44% of "both" CPU's playing back the
most CPU-intensive streams.  You can probably figure it out from
there.

> OS:
> -- What Kernel, IVTV/V4L/  are recommended for:
> -- HD-2000
> -- HD-3000

I use 2.6.9 with pcHDTV-1.6 (patched to extend the software buffer for
the HD-2000) and ivtv-0.2.0-rc3b.  No v4l patch.  Everything works
very smoothly now.

Cheers,
Kyle
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Re: [mythtv-users] HDTV, Myth, HD-2000, HD-3000, questions galore (and hopefully answers from the smart people... )

[David George]

On 01/17/2005 07:15 PM, Blammo [doh] wrote:
disclaimer:
I've searched the archives, google, etc, and haven't found a
consolidated source for this information. I'm happy to throw it into
someone's WIKI once we get core information in one location:
Subject: HDTV, Myth, and you...
Hardware:
-- Do the HD-2000 work better, or are better supported than the HD-3000 cards?
 

The HD-2000 has probably been hammered on more, but several people are 
now successfully using the HD-3000.  I have both, but the HD-3000 hasn't 
made it from my development/testing platform into my production system 
yet.  Both are currently supported by MythTV.

-- Are there any other cards which do OTA ATSC HD recordings?
 

Air2PC-ATSC-HDTV 
http://www.cyberestore.com/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=103 .  
It is about $20 cheaper than the pcHDTV, but it doesn't support the A/V 
input (bttv).  Don't know if the Air2PC will be able to support QAM.  
Scroll all the way to the bottom to see drivers/howtos and MythTV 
mentioned.  This is currently not supported by MythTV (neither .16 nor 
CVS) unless you add Taylor Jacob's big DVB patch.  See his site for more 
information.   http://www.digitalregime.com/mythdvb .   I also have this 
card, but haven't been able to spend any time on it.  At this point I'll 
probably wait until Taylor's big DVB patch gets into CVS before spending 
any more time on it.

-- Which cards only work for DVB? Which only for OTA?
 

Don't know about DVB, but the HD-2000, HD-3000, and Air2PC work OTA.  
Don't let the DVB requirements for the Air2PC confuse you.  It is an OTA 
card.

-- Which cards work with encrypted sources?
Playback:
-- How much CPU power is required to playback 1080i or 720p streams?
 

I can playback 1080i and 720p streams with a P4 2.8/533 Prescott 
(not-hyperthreaded) with an nVidia FX5200 card (without xvmc).

-- Are most converting down to 540p for playback? What steps are
involved in doing that?
 

I am.  The only step was to use a 540p modeline that looked good on my 
old Samsung rear-projection (16x9 1080i).

OS:
-- What Kernel, IVTV/V4L/  are recommended for:
   -- HD-2000
 

Kernel 2.6.9 (some people report better results with 2.6.7).  V4l is 
2.6.9 with Kraxel 2.6.9-rc4 kernel patch.

   -- HD-3000
 

Currently I am using 2.6.9 with pcHDTV 1.6 driver (no kraxel v4l patch, 
just plain kernel 2.6.9).  At one time I was using 2.6.10 with a v4l 
snapshot (forget which one, Dec 17th maybe?) and customized (read 
hand-merged) pcHDTV 1.5 patch.  Ran out of time so just trying to stick 
with stock as much as possible now.

From what I can glean, best way to succeed is to install the HD card
into a different backend (if you already have a backend with PVR-XXX's
in them) run a 2.6 kernel, and patch patch patch.
 

Not necessarily.  My HD-2000 with the original HD-2000 drivers work fine 
alongside two PVR-250 running ivtv-0.2.0-rc3c on a P4 2.4/533.  Can't 
give you any info on other combos yet though.

--
David
P.S.  My site is very outdated by now unless you are only interested in 
HD-2000 with original drivers and ivtv in same system running a 2.6.7 or 
2.6.9 kernel.  http://thegeorges.us/mythtv

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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Putting a toe in the CVS water

[Phill Edwards]

> On Mon, 2005-01-17 at 23:52 +0100, Axel Thimm wrote:
> > do you know about ATrpms' CVs builds of MythTV? They are in the
> > bleeding section, and may eat up your favourite shows and have your
> > wife divorce you, but you can still treat them like usual packages
> > (uninstall, downgrade etc).
> >
> > I would reocmmend it as a first step towards going full CVs self-build
> > stuff.
> 
> And I would strongly recommend them for any future CVS build. Get the
> src RPMs and drop a new checkout in & rebuild (after you've sorted the
> macros out - see the atrpms list for a not-complete-set, sigh).
> 
> Keeps the whole system much tidier and a lot easier to use; the
> dependencies and later upgrades are all taken care of for you by
> apt/rpm.

OK - thanks for the advice. Couple of questions:

1) How up to date with CVS are Axel's CVS RPMs?

2) Is there any howto stuff amywhere on how to do it with Axel's CVS
RPMs? Just as I thought I'd understood how to go CVS this adds a new
angle to it so I want to make sure I've got my head around this before
I start. I understood wiping out all the mythtv rpms and then
downloading, configuring, compiling and installing the CVS source
code. How does using the CVS RPMs differ from this. Do they basically
download and put the source code somewhere and from that point on it's
the same as normal CVS?
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Re: [mythtv-users] [OT] New ATI drivers just released for Linux (32bit & 64bit)

[Brad Templeton]

On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 11:14:26PM -, Nick wrote:
> With Xorg 6.8.x support finally...
> 
> http://www.ati.com/support/driver.html
> 
> Cheers,
> Nick
> 

Would very much like to hear reports of success and failure here.  Having
pounded my head at NVIDIA cards for a while now, it would be nice to
see something from ATI that does what many of us want -- 1080i HDTV, over
DVI or component video, under linux 2.6.

So if you have ATI cards and you try this, could you let us know how
it goes, notably if you are able to run the cards well at 1080i and
720p, and do xvideo on them of 1080i and 720p (and 480i/p) images
without problems with colour or related issues, and what OSs you
make this work under.   Also TV-out for those interested in that.
And if they have introduced support for their proprietary component
video adapter...  (which is $29)

There are some low priced ~$40 Radeon 9200 cards with DVI out that
many folks might switch to if they worked cleanly.Do a froogle
search for ATI 9200se DVI:

http://www.google.com/froogle?q=9200se+dvi&btnG=Search+Froogle&scoring=p

This one for $36 with free shipping seems hard to beat:


http://www.chiefvalue.com/app/productdetails.asp?submit=search&item=14-140-026&ATT=&CMP=


No xvmc support in the driver, though the card has the hardware.
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[mythtv-users] Re: possible to automate music and video manager scans?

[Brad]

I've also been wanting this for some time. The video scans seem quite 
quick to me and I was hoping to get a chance to see how they work. My 
hope was that when I bring up the video list (or browse/gallery) to 
view a movie, it would scan for new files before displaying the 
listing. Ultimately, if it were possible to bring up a "New Movies 
have been added" dialog that maybe let you do an IMDB lookup or 
something, that would be great.

Unfortunately I haven't had the chance to look at it yet (or even 
know if its possible).
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Re: [mythtv-users] Mac OS X Compile from CVS Problem

[Jeremiah Morris]

On 17 Jan 2005, at 6:16 PM, Colin Bell wrote:
I did have problem with it not finding qmake so I made a symlink of 
$QTDIR/bin/qmake to /usr/bin.
You shouldn't do that, fix the PATH problem instead (see below). Making 
symlinks like that will really trip you up if you upgrade to a new 
version of Qt.

(tcsh: Bad : modifier in $ (/).)
This is the problem -- you're using tcsh instead of bash as your shell. 
I'm guessing you probably upgraded from an older version of OS X, 
instead of starting with a fresh Panther install. As the howto says: 
"If you don't start from scratch, some of the instructions may not be 
correct for your setup." You've hit one of those places.  =/

The tcsh version needs to be put into .tcshrc instead of .bash_profile, 
and it should look like this:

setenv SRCDIR $HOME/src
setenv QTDIR $SRCDIR/qt-mac-free-3.3.3
setenv DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/local/lib:$QTDIR/lib
setenv PATH ${PATH}:/usr/local/bin:$QTDIR/bin
Use "source ~/.tcshrc" to load that into your environment, instead of 
". ~/.bash_profile". The rest of the howto should work the same.

If I'm being a pain just ignore me...
Not at all. Being a pain would be making the same mistakes over and 
over, and not listening to solutions. Making mistakes, learning from 
them, and going on to make new mistakes is just a normal and healthy 
part of life. (If I go by the number of mistakes I make, I'm extremely 
successful at life.)

- Jeremiah
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Re: [mythtv-users] Low power backend suggestions?

[John Johnson]

I haven't used it, but there is support for "wake a backend" in MythTV. 
One method writes the wake-up time into the PC's CMOS, then shuts down. 
The PC wakes itself to record. If you happen to have another PC that 
stays on all the time, you can send a Wake-On-LAN packet to the backend 
PC, assuming it has WOL support.

As far as quiet, possibly lower power, you might squeeze the base 
system onto a compact flash drive. Set the recording drives to sleep 
when not in use.

You could look into solar panels too :-)
Regards,
  JJ
On 17-Jan-2005, at 01:38, Greg Cope wrote:
What's wrong with what you have?
The Mprocessors and motherboards are very expensive - to the point
that I thought the cost/benefit would be an issue.
Thought about the VIA stuff?
Greg
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:48:55 -0800, Kristo Kriechbaum
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So I'm looking to build a backend only machine that consumes the least
amount of power.  My first thought is to go with something like a
Pentium-M, so if I need a little extra cpu for transcoding or
something, I can get it, but can throttle it down when I don't need
it.
Right now, my backend/frontend is:
P3 900 MHz
512 MB ram
2 x Avermedia M179 (just like a PVR250)
1 x 200 gig ide hd
1 x 250 gig ide hd
and I have a third 200 gig ide hd sitting around while I build this
machine.
My main requirements:
1. Low low power.  I don't want to be keeping the electric company in
business :-)
2. quiet.  I don't want the room this machine is in to sound like an
airport.  I don't mind hacking in a bigger slower fan.
3. ample PCI slots for my M179's and at least one IDE controller (and
maybe an hdtv card in the near future).
I hardly ever transcode anything, and I have the mpeg2 encoder cards,
so I don't really need much raw processing power.  This machine will
also share out my music, videos, etc.
Like I said above, my first thought is to go with a Pentium-M 1.6 GHz.
I would just as easily go with AMD, as they are much cheaper, I just
don't know as much about their mobile processors.  My laptop has a
Pentium-M, so I know that the cpu throttling "just works" with
cpuspeed.  I've found various related threads in the archives, but
nothing that ended up verifying my thoughts.
Thanks for any help/suggestions!
Kristo
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Re: [mythtv-users] OSD in Widescreen

[Blammo [doh]]

Love to see this fixed.. In the same boat myself.

I think it's because myth is only displaying the raw IVTV feed, which
is coming in at XXXxXXX and not resized.

Seems fixable to me, however, I agree.



On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:42:17 +0100, Nick Rosier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm running MythTV CVS with a PVR-350 connected to my widescreen TV.
> My TV is setup to automaticly scale everything to fill the entire
> screen (so 4:3 broadcasts are zoomed a bit etc...). Only problem is
> that OSD is still being displayed at 4:3 settings. Is there any way of
> forcing them to be displayed in  a 16:9 format. The aspect-override
> settings in MythTV don't seem to have any effect on it. I would like
> to have OSD in a resolution of something like 720x436 (2.35:
> Widescreen PAL).
> 
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[mythtv-users] HDTV, Myth, HD-2000, HD-3000, questions galore (and hopefully answers from the smart people... )

[Blammo [doh]]

disclaimer:
I've searched the archives, google, etc, and haven't found a
consolidated source for this information. I'm happy to throw it into
someone's WIKI once we get core information in one location:


Subject: HDTV, Myth, and you...

Hardware:
-- Do the HD-2000 work better, or are better supported than the HD-3000 cards?
-- Are there any other cards which do OTA ATSC HD recordings?
-- Which cards only work for DVB? Which only for OTA?
-- Which cards work with encrypted sources?

Playback:
-- How much CPU power is required to playback 1080i or 720p streams?
-- Are most converting down to 540p for playback? What steps are
involved in doing that?

OS:
-- What Kernel, IVTV/V4L/  are recommended for:
-- HD-2000
-- HD-3000

>From what I can glean, best way to succeed is to install the HD card
into a different backend (if you already have a backend with PVR-XXX's
in them) run a 2.6 kernel, and patch patch patch.

Thanks to all in advance for any contributions to this information..
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[mythtv-users] FC3 Install Boot errors

[Gregg]

Help.  I just installed FC3 using Jarods Guide using 
2.6.10-1.741_FC3smp.  I have the box up and running, but on boot I get
some permissions errors when syncing NTP.  Something to the effect of
Permission Denied libm.so.6, and a couple of others I can try to get
them on reboot if needed.  This only happend after I did a apt-get
dist-upgrade, otherwise the system is functioning ok.

thanks.

-Gregg
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[mythtv-users] Re: Mythtv on x86_64 SMP

[Axel Thimm]

On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 09:17:07AM -0800, Ian Forde wrote:
> The ugly:
> 1. Not a lot of people are going the x86_64 route.  If you're planning
> on using Fedora Core 3, expect problems.  Lots of problems.  You may
> want to consider Gentoo.  So I'd recommend compiling myth and going with
> CVS.

Why do you expect more problems with FC3? In fact all FCx builds at
ATrpms are made on FC3/x86_64 dual opterons, so there are people using
x86_64. :)

Did you try the ATrpms x86_64 CVS builds?
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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Putting a toe in the CVS water

[Tom Hughes]

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Martin Ebourne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> And I would strongly recommend them for any future CVS build. Get the
> src RPMs and drop a new checkout in & rebuild (after you've sorted the
> macros out - see the atrpms list for a not-complete-set, sigh).

Have you got a reference to that posting? Only I failed to find anything
much when I looked despite finding innumerable requests for the information.

Tom

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[mythtv-users] External Tuner (SA1850) and Actisys-200L?

[David Cheng]

Hi,
Has anyone managed to get an Actisys 200L to work with a Scientific 
Atlanta Explorer 1850 cable box?  Or even a 4200?  I hear that they all 
use the same IR codes.

I've followed the instructions at 
http://www.iwamble.net/IRBlaster_Howto.txt.  Everything went fine and 
the actisys is sending out pulses when I call change_channel.csh.  My 
cablebox seems to ignore it.

I'm running gentoo 2.6.9, the actisys is plugged into com1 serial port.  
I'm using the Explorer_2000 from lirc.org for my remote.  When I run 
irw, it interprets my remote buttons correctly.

Here's the output of dmesg when I call 'modprobe remote_sir'
=
remote_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 72
remote_dev: remote_register_plugin:sample_rate: 0
remote_sir: I/O port 0x03f8, IRQ 4.
enable_irq(4) unbalanced from f8bafd32
remote_sir: Installed.
Here's my /etc/modules.conf
=
### modules-update: start processing /etc/modules.d/lirc-remote
alias char-major-72 remote_sir
below remote_sir remote_dev
options remote_sir irq=4 io=0x3f8
### modules-update: end processing /etc/modules.d/lirc-remote
Here's the output from remoted (the modified lircd) when I call 
change_channel.csh 32:
=
Jan 17 18:52:14 penguin remoted 0.7.0pre8: accepted new client on 
/dev/remoted
Jan 17 18:52:14 penguin remoted 0.7.0pre8: removed client
Jan 17 18:52:15 penguin remoted 0.7.0pre8: accepted new client on 
/dev/remoted
Jan 17 18:52:15 penguin remoted 0.7.0pre8: removed client
Jan 17 18:52:16 penguin remoted 0.7.0pre8: accepted new client on 
/dev/remoted
Jan 17 18:52:16 penguin remoted 0.7.0pre8: removed client

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[mythtv-users] Myth not obeying upcoming recording preference.

[Michael Starks]

Myth 0.16
Fedora Core 2

I recently ran into a situation where Myth was set to record two things
simultaneously (I have two tuners).  I was watching LiveTV and, as
expected, the dialogue came up asking if I wanted to record it, watch
tv, or watch it while it records.  I chose to just watch TV.  Strangely,
it started recording anyway and kicked me out of live TV to a black
screen.  There was then no way with the remote to regain control.  

I was watching the same thing on live TV it wanted to record, if that
makes a difference.

Anyone else see this behavior?


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Re: [mythtv-users] RAID on Fedora Core 3?

[Paul Barker]

Title: Message


Hi>Looks like my RAID5 arrays have crap performance - esp. the master array.OK here are the stats from my RAID5 setup with 4 X Seagate 160Gb Drives (all masters):Version  1.03   --Sequential Output-- --Sequential Input- --Random-    -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks--Machine    Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP  /sec %CPgryffindor   1G 23157  83 43898  24 14863   8 17742  58 32670  10 369.4   2    --Sequential Create-- Random Create    -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete--  files  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP 16  1598  98 + +++ + +++  1640  97 + +++  4086  97
 
So I see the 
traditional high CPU on writes but reads are fast with little overhead. Your 
figures do look worse than mine in places (mostly in the small file tests, 
although you seem to be using much less CPU time).
 
I'm not worried 
about the high write times as the volumes I have on the array are mainly 
read. I host my music, digital picture and movie files 
there.
 
For myth buffers and 
my db I have an XFS filesystem on a standalone disk, and my OS is on a RAID 1 
mirror on another 2 disks.
 
Just curious if you 
got any output in dmesg or /var/log/messages whilst running. I didn't see 
anything but I'm guessing that if there were bus timing errors that'd be where 
they'd be. Did you (dare) try running this on the master and slave arrays at the 
same time ? I'm guessing it would grind to a halt.
 
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Re: [mythtv-users] Mythtv on x86_64 SMP

[Matt Lane]

I have MythTV running on my 3500+ (single) on FC3took quite a long
time. I think I started in October!  I don't have the following
installed or working yet:

1.  Mythmusic
2.  Mythphone
3.  Burning files to DVD
4.  Mythweb...

I installed from individual pieces...meaning not from the
mythTV-suite.  I did it one thing at a time in the end it it all
worked.  I had loads of MySQL problems and had to upgrade to 4.x which
introduced other issues becuase of upgrading.

I still have php-mysql issues and it is driving me nuts.  I am a nubie
to both Linux and MythTV so...well you can imagine my pain.  I work in
the IT field so I have the background but this was a new animal for
me.

I am tempted to ghost the box and reinstall becuase I have a lot of
weird dep errors but...tracing my steps might be very time consuming
too.

I upgrade my kernal recently...bad idea.  Now I don't have sound. 
Need to get that fixed tonight. (hopefully)

Let me know if you have specific questions and I'll try to figure out
how I got it done.


On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:34:42 -0500, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michael Morgan wrote:
> > I have a single processor x86_64 running MythTV. I had to change some
> > compile flags to k8 from pentiumpro. The ivtv driver working with my
> > PVR-350. MythMusic did not work last I checked, but the basic core programs
> > were not too difficult to install. There is a patch somewhere for goom to
> > let MythMusic work. I have not tried it, though.
> 
> Thanks for replying.
> 
> Which distro are you using? Was it a box already running you decided to
> put myth on, or did you build a box just for myth?
> 
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Re: [mythtv-users] Skipping adverts in UK using DVB-T - supported ?

[Martin Ebourne]

On Mon, 2005-01-17 at 23:10 +1000, Paul Andreassen wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-01-17 at 22:47, Jules Gosnell wrote:
> > re commercial detection
> > of course, if it were that easy, I'm sure mythtv would already do it, 
> > so... - perhaps it exists, but only on some channels ?
> 
> The current system apparently works OK for analog recordings.  My dvb-t
> stream comes with a dotted line at the top which probably interferes
> with detecting. 

I get that too. DVB-T UK. Channels have a changing dotted line at the
top, which clearly has some binary counters in it. Can't see it on the
tv due to overscan, but get it when I run a frontend on the laptop.

Any idea what causes it? I'd assumed it was a video card thing. Maybe it
does upset the commercial detection after all.

Cheers,

Martin.

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[mythtv-users] Using the player from mythtv for recorded files from command line.

[Alex Polite]

I'm still struggling for ways to watch the recorded mythtv files on
another box. vlc and mplayer won't do it. I'm still investigating
automatic reencoding with nuvexport/mythtranscode.

But I figure that the best thing to do would be to use the nuv file
player from  mythtv. Is there any way to use from the command line?

Alex
  
 
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Re: [mythtv-users] HD input in the future (DVI and HDMI)

[Brad Templeton]

On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 04:53:59PM -0500, Sean Cier wrote:
> clarity's sake, but wanted to point out that HDMI does not mean DVI + copy 
> protection: DVI+HDCP means DVI + copy protection, while HDMI basically 
> means DVI+HDCP+Audio+BidirectionalCommunications (to negotiate formats, 

I had read a source that suggested you could not get a licence for the
HDMI stuff if you didn't promise to do HDCP, but I haven't verified that.

However, what I said remains true, their goal is to marginalize unencrypted
DVI from the market, so that so few TVs exist that can only take clear DVI
that it becomes practical to convince creators of set top boxes that they
can output nothing but HDCP based signals and not hurt their market.

Today if you made an STB that did only HDCP, there would be many problems
because of people who can't use it.  That, they plan to change.

They are currently less concerned about component video because it adds
A2D to the problem of recording it, and today that's expensive.  But
when it gets cheaper the goal is to marginalize that as well.

> Also note that there's been a lot of suggestion that HDCP is quite readily 
> crackable, quite possibly already effectively cracked; there's just not yet 
> a good motivation to distribute the cracks ala libdvdcss, since nobody 
> could yet do anything useful with the unencrypted DVI stream anyhow.  It's 
> a slightly fuzzy area since the industry(*) could fight back against *some* 
> kinds of cracks by using key revocation -- but key revocation is an 
> entirely untested technology, and is likely utterly, laughably impractical 
> in the real world.

They have developed whole new rafts of key revocation tech that, in theory,
let them revoke only the solo device that was compromised.   In addition,
now that more and more devices are getting flash card slots or even
internet connections, one can imagine regimes where, just like satellite
vendors sending out new smart cards, TV owners are sent out updates to
replace compromised keys.

With the long term goal of putting the decryption at the very last stage
before display (ie. cablecard etc.) we'll probably see this sort of
technique.

> and MPEG2 encoders which, as Brad suggested, Moore's law will inevitably 
> bring us -- will mean that HD input to our Myth boxes will be a real 
> possibility long-term, with likely the only 'hack' being obtaining a 

Rather, there will be an arms race that goes back and forth.  Today we're
in the loser category, we can't record our cable and satellite based HD
signals.   In the future, we'll move into the winner category.  I suspect
that _eventually_ we will win but they will always counter.

Consumers aren't interested in that game, only us.Few want a
technology that can record their shows today, but might stop working
tomorrow.   I guess that's what they have in the bootleg satellite "industry."
The companies do countermeasures, ship out new smart cards to paying
customers, it goes back and forth.  Sometimes your satellite gives you
free everything, sometimes it barely gives you anything.  Since this is
a difference of paying $100/month to get the same stuff, people put up
with it -- some people.

Here, we're talking about the difference between renting/buying their crippled
but fully able to record proprietary PVR and for a not too different
price getting an open PVR which has more features but might lose the
ability to record if the key it uses is disabled.

> Of course, for OTA or unencrypted cable, using a GnuRadio card
>  and ATSC (or QAM) 
> software codec could result in a more elegant solution even in a 
> post-broadcast-flag era; but that doesn't necessarily work for encrypted 
> cable signals, and its legal status for OTA remains to be determined 
> (though it would have to be a pretty flaky legal decision to make that 
> hardware illegal).

The harder question is, since it was crazy to think about making hardware
illegal, is it much more crazy to imagine them trying to ban the software
too?  Decss is banned, though not by the FCC.  The FCC is overstepping its
bounds in making hardware illegal but they did it.

> Even better would be if the EFF and others succeeded in getting the 
> ridiculous broadcast flag struck down in court (well, more specifically, 
> the FCC's self-granted oversight over the entire data chain and hence the 
> entire technology industry).  And/or maybe a cable tuner PCI card that took 
> a CableCard and delivered clear MPEG2 bitstreams or, hell, even 
> uncompressed frames... hey, a guy can dream, can't he?

We hope to win that fight, but I fear it's not the last fight.  The
juristiction of congress over hardware is harder to fight.  We even lost
a battle over their jurisdiction over software.  But not the war.
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Re: [mythtv-users] Skipping adverts in UK using DVB-T - supported ?

[Phill Edwards]

> > is it just urban folklore, or is there not some sort of specific
> > 'signal' that marks the beginning/end of commercial breaks. Is there not
> > a similar mechanism for marking programmes, so that instead of working
> > by timeslot and hoping that the schedule is tight, a recorder can just
> > wait for the signal to start/stop the recording...
> 
> In Australia, all commercial breaks begin and end with a blank (black)
> frame.

Paul - is that true for analogue TV as well (I see you're on digital),
and are you getting good commercial detection? Mine is abysmal. What
are your commercial detection settings in your setup - I'd like to get
this working if I can.

Regards,
Phill
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Re: [mythtv-users] Mac OS X Compile from CVS Problem

[Colin Bell]

Hi Jeremiah

Thanks so much for your help.

I did have problem with it not finding qmake so I made a symlink of $QTDIR/bin/qmake to /usr/bin. Do you think this might be the problem?
Checked my paths, although the .bash_profile refuses to load the variables when I run it (~/.bash_profile), I manually set the environment paths by doing the following 

set SRCDIR=$HOME/src
set QTDIR=$SRCDIR/qt-mac-free-3.3.3
set DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib:$QTDIR/lib
**set PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:$QTDIR/bin
** I get an error if try load it as "set PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/bin:$QTDIR/bin" (tcsh: Bad : modifier in $ (/).)

My $QTDIR.lib is as follows

README  libeditor.prl   libqnp.prl  libqt-mt.3.3.dylib  libqt-mt.dylib  libqt-mt.prlpkgconfig
libdesignercore.prl libqassistantclient.prl libqt-mt.3.3.3.dyliblibqt-mt.3.dyliblibqt-mt.la libqui.prl  qt-mt.pc

They -thread option was enabled ( I redid it to be sure). I have been copying and pasting from your excellent "how to". QT compiles perfectly without an error, but does fail if I try do a make install. Your instructions don't say to do this, but I though It might help with finding it.

If I'm being a pain just ignore me...

Cheers

Colin

On 17 Jan 2005, at 18:39, Jeremiah Morris wrote:

It's not finding your Qt library. Check that your DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH variable is set correctly, with $QTDIR/lib in it. Also, make sure that your Qt build compiled properly, and that you built it multithreaded (with the -thread configure option). There should be a file "libqt-mt.3.dylib" on your system if Qt built correctly.

- Jeremiah
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[mythtv-users] [OT] New ATI drivers just released for Linux (32bit & 64bit)

[Nick]

With Xorg 6.8.x support finally...

http://www.ati.com/support/driver.html

Cheers,
Nick



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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Putting a toe in the CVS water

[Martin Ebourne]

On Mon, 2005-01-17 at 23:52 +0100, Axel Thimm wrote:
> do you know about ATrpms' CVs builds of MythTV? They are in the
> bleeding section, and may eat up your favourite shows and have your
> wife divorce you, but you can still treat them like usual packages
> (uninstall, downgrade etc).
> 
> I would reocmmend it as a first step towards going full CVs self-build
> stuff.

And I would strongly recommend them for any future CVS build. Get the
src RPMs and drop a new checkout in & rebuild (after you've sorted the
macros out - see the atrpms list for a not-complete-set, sigh).

Keeps the whole system much tidier and a lot easier to use; the
dependencies and later upgrades are all taken care of for you by
apt/rpm.

Cheers,

Martin.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Mythvideo, PVR-350 and problems playing video smoothly [suggestions please]

[Niels den Otter]

Nick,

On Sunday, 16 January 2005, Nick Morrott wrote:
[...]
> I understand there is no xv support for the 350, hence the use of X11
> output. In both cases the video is choppy and not at all smooth. There is
> also tearing during any sort of panning. With mplayer, there is also a/v
> sync loss as soon as the video starts. I haven't tried DVD playback at all
> at this stage. Is this something that currently is unavoidable?
> 
> Do any PVR-350 users have any suggestions to help improve this problem? My
> system is using a Celeron-D 2.4Ghz and 512MB of RAM in a Pundit-R system
> so should have enough grunt, and because DVB and captured MPEG2 playback
> is so good I'd hoped regular video playback wouldn't be too bad. Are there
> any glaring omissions from the player startup commands above that would
> improve things?
> 
> I'm really hoping now that ATI finally live up to their promises and
> release their new driver Monday (17th) because I guess this would solve
> many problems on my Pundit-R (whether the LiveTV/playback on a TV is as
> good as the PVR-350 is another matter) - the TV-Out signal is high quality
> on the Pundit-R (both RGB and SVid) in my short experience but drivers are
> poor to say the least and as yet don't support Xorg >6.7.0. Seems Monday
> is D-Day for ATI amongst Linux users ...

I have tried several ways to get DVD playback and playing of divx files
running smooth on the PVR-350 TV-OUT (Pundit-R, Pentium 2.53, 512M), but
haven't succeeded. Strange thing is that the CPU utilisation running xine is
about 40-50% which would mean that there is room in CPU power. I was
wondering if lowering the DefaultDepth (now) 24 and/or DefaultFbbpp (now) 32
in the X config would make things better, but the ivtvdev (0.8) driver
fails to load when these numbers are changed.

Way forward for me (unfortunately) is also to try the TV-OUT port of the ATI
Radeon 9100 IGP and hope that Mythtv playback is as good is it currently is
on the PVR-350 TV-OUT.


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Re: [mythtv-users] Automatic mythtranscode

[Chris Petersen]

Anywhere other than the source where I can find out about those
options? I'm dying to hear all about it. Seriously.
Unfortunately, no.  They're pretty easy to pick out of the source, 
though..  each module has a bunch of cli_args stuff at the top, 
describing what they do.

I'll talk with Majestik when I next see him and bug him to update the 
man pages.

-Chris
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[mythtv-users] Re: apt & mythtv-suite

[Axel Thimm]

On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 05:07:21PM -0500, Gabe Rubin wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:13:06 -0500, Matt McKeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I tried the apt-get install ImageMagick, but it came back saying:
> > ImageMagick is already the newest version. mythtv-suite fails because of
> > mythdvd; then trying to do apt-get install mythdvd fails on a
> > dependencies transcode.. Then if I try to do transcode their is another
> > failed dependcy..its an endless circle
> 
> Post the last error from transcode.  That is where I got hung up with
> ImageMagick.  I am not saying I know what the answer (probably I
> won't), but Axel might (he identified the ImageMagick issue I had). 
> Also, which repo are you using from your sources.list? 
> Stable/testing/bleeding?

RH9 requires more and more packages that are still in bleeding. :/

Feedback on bleeding (including positive) helps getting them into
better stability slots.
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[mythtv-users] Re: apt conflicts

[Axel Thimm]

On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 10:43:54PM -0800, mark luntzel wrote:
> awesome! (Yes, I ran apt-get update about 400 times.). this is avoided 
> by installing both kernel module packages separately.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# echo $KVER
> 2.6.10-1.741_FC3
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# apt-get install ivtv-kmdl-$KVER
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> The following extra packages will be installed:
>   video4linux-kmdl-2.6.10-1.741_FC3
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   ivtv-kmdl-2.6.10-1.741_FC3 video4linux-kmdl-2.6.10-1.741_FC3
> 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 removed and 1 not upgraded.
> Need to get 0B/169kB of archives.
> After unpacking 434kB of additional disk space will be used.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
> Committing changes...
> Preparing...### 
> [100%]
> file 
> /lib/modules/2.6.10-1.741_FC3/updates/drivers/media/video/tveeprom.ko 
> conflicts between attempted installs of 
> ivtv-kmdl-2.6.10-1.741_FC3-0.1.10-48.4_pre2_ck100zz.rhfc3.at and 
> video4linux-kmdl-2.6.10-1.741_FC3-20050113_172233-54.rhfc3.at
> E: Error while running transaction
> 

That's a known bug, watch the following to see when it will be fixed.

   http://bugzilla.atrpms.net/show_bug.cgi?id=407

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Re: [mythtv-users] Automatic mythtranscode

[Alex Polite]

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:09:53 -0800, Chris Petersen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> to encode all of a particular show.  There are commandline options for
> just about everything, too 

Anywhere other than the source where I can find out about those
options? I'm dying to hear all about it. Seriously.

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Re: [mythtv-users] MythGame fceu-sdl slowness...

[Josh]

It would surprise me greatly that given the large group of people on here that
are using the PVR-350's TV-out that this problem is widespread.  I'm still
going to hold out hope that there is some sort of command line argument that
resolves this issue.

Otherwise, I think we should look into figuring out a way to resolve this
one, the PVR-350 TV-out should suffice for this.

Anyone else experiencing this one?

Josh

Jå§òÑ [EMAIL PROTECTED]  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've got the same problem.  That's the price you pay for using the
> pvr-350 tv-out.  I don't believe there is anyway around it.  If there
> is a solution I'd very mush like to here it.
> 
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[mythtv-users] Re: Putting a toe in the CVS water

[Axel Thimm]

On Mon, Jan 17, 2005 at 03:58:21PM +1100, Phill Edwards wrote:
> I've got my MythTV machine all up and running using Jarod's guide and
> FC2 ATRPMs. Excellent work you guys!
> 
> I'm now thinking of downloading the latest stuff from CVS, compiling
> and installing etc, but I'm VERY nervous about doing this in case I
> stuff up my beautiful MythTV system. As we don't have a VCR any more
> my wife would not be happy - and I'd be heartbroken! However, there do
> seem to be some good things in CVS that I'd like - such as better
> commercial flagging which doesn't work well for Australian TV under
> MythTV 0.16. I want to understand a few things better before I start:

do you know about ATrpms' CVs builds of MythTV? They are in the
bleeding section, and may eat up your favourite shows and have your
wife divorce you, but you can still treat them like usual packages
(uninstall, downgrade etc).

I would reocmmend it as a first step towards going full CVs self-build
stuff.

> 1) ATRPMs installs into /usr but all the mailing list stuff I could
> find talked about keeping different versions under /usr/local and
> using symlinks to switch between versions with tools like Stow, Encap,
> OpenPKG. There is a  HOWTO at
> http://www.mythtv.info/moin.cgi/UpgradeToCvsHowTo but it doesn't go
> into much detail. What to do if I want to install CVS stuff into
> /usr/local but all the existing ATRPM stuff is in /usr?

Better be safe and remove the rpms, otheriwse you may get mixing. The
rpms can be reinstalled easily so removing them is not an issue.

> 2) Do I _really_ have to obliterate the existing mythtv install (the
> above HOWTO says to do rpm -qa | grep myth | xargs rpm -e)? This seems
> a bit drastic to me. Isn't there a way of keeping the ATRPM install as
> a fall-back/safety net if I stuff up with CVS?

You can still reinstall the rpms, can't you?

> 3) Perhaps I'm worrying too much? Most of my effort has probably been
> getting drivers, lirc, X modelines, MythTV settings, modules.conf,
> peripheral scripts etc working. If I go to CVS are we really just
> talking about a couple of dozen of MythTV executables that will either
> work or not, and if they don't I can just go back a version as all the
> other stuff is unaffected? Is it less risky and painful than I think?

Backup up the mysql database, then nothing can really happen.

> 4) If I do this, do I have to say goodbye to ATRPMs for ever? What
> will happen, for example, if I want to go to FC3 and ATRPMs seemss the
> easiest way to do that - will I be able to do it?

Why not?

> Any advice, pros & cons etc anyone can give me would be great.
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[mythtv-users] Re: apt-get install not working for nvidia drivers?

[Axel Thimm]

On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 09:29:23PM -0500, Joe Costanzo wrote:
> # apt-get install nvidia-graphics6629-kmdl-$KVER
> 
> results in a "couldn't find package" error.

> That the appropriate kernel version value is returned.  Verbatim, for each
> instance:
> 
> 2.6.9-1.681_FC3
> 2.6.9-1.724_FC3

There have already been at least two kernel upgrades since, please
upgrade your kernel first.
(no, I'm not happy about that many kernel upgrades per week, too)
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[mythtv-users] Re: Sources via apt-get

[Axel Thimm]

On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 04:25:12PM -0600, Rob Greene wrote:
> > Get the Source RPM package by hand and weave in the patch. All packages
> > can be found on http://atrpms.net/dist/fc3/ if you took the ATRPMS ones
> > and these pages contain the source RPMs as well.
> 
> Will do. I thought I was somehow missing the obvious though. I figured
> that with apt-get, I just needed to do a "apt-get source myth-suite"
> and magic would occur!

Check the entries in your current /etc/apt/sources. There are rpm-src
entries that are commented as they double the time of apt-get
update. Uncomment them and let the magic happen! :)

> -Rob
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[mythtv-users] Re: no audio for some recordings

[Axel Thimm]

On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 12:01:22AM -0800, William Lott wrote:
> Michael T. Dean wrote:
> 
> >On 01/01/2005 08:33 PM, William Lott wrote:
> >
> >>First, the setup: AMD Athlon XP 2k+, ASUS A7V8X-MX SE mobo, 512M ram, 
> >>and two Haupguage PVR 250s running Fedora Core 1 with the most recent 
> >>stable atRPMs and MythTV CVS of last night.  (But I had the same 
> >>problem with 0.16 from atRPMs.)  The ivtv version is 
> >>0.1.10-48.4_pre2_ck100zz.
> >>
> >Sounds like you're using msp3400 instead of msp3400-ivtv...
> >
> >Search the archives for msp3400-ivtv
> >
> >Mike
> 
> That did the trick -- I renamed /lib/modules/blah/blah/blah/msp3400.o to 
> msp3400.o-orig and .../msp3400-ivtv.o to msp3400.o and audio seems to be 
> reliable now.  Thanks for the pointer.

Better use

alias msp3400 msp3400-ivtv

The next update will otherwise overwrite your renaming.
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[mythtv-users] OSD in Widescreen

[Nick Rosier]

I'm running MythTV CVS with a PVR-350 connected to my widescreen TV.
My TV is setup to automaticly scale everything to fill the entire
screen (so 4:3 broadcasts are zoomed a bit etc...). Only problem is
that OSD is still being displayed at 4:3 settings. Is there any way of
forcing them to be displayed in  a 16:9 format. The aspect-override
settings in MythTV don't seem to have any effect on it. I would like
to have OSD in a resolution of something like 720x436 (2.35:
Widescreen PAL).

N.
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Re: [mythtv-users] MythGame fceu-sdl slowness...

[Jå§òÑ M@¢þhè®$Øñ]

I've got the same problem.  That's the price you pay for using the
pvr-350 tv-out.  I don't believe there is anyway around it.  If there
is a solution I'd very mush like to here it.

-Jå§òÑ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [mythtv-users] apt & mythtv-suite

[Gabe Rubin]

what does it say for transcode?
>   The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>  mythdvd: Depends: transcode (>= 0.6.8) but it is not going to be
> installed
> E: Broken packages
> 
> also when trying apt-get install mythtv-suite it returns this:
>   The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   mythtv-suite: Depends: mythdvd (>= 0.16) but is is not going to be
> installed
>   E: Broken packages
> 
> As for my sources.list...
> rpm http://apt.atrpms.net   redhat/9/en/i386   at-stable
> 
> there is also two entries for:
> http://ayo.freshrpms.net  redhat/9/i386  os
> http://ayo.freshrpms.net  redhat/9/i386  updates
> 
> then another for fedoralegacyupdates...
> Thanks again, well hopefully someone will make sense of this! ha
> 


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Re: [mythtv-users] Which Distribution?

[Sasha Z]

I've been having segfault issues with slackware, arch linux, and fc3.
I'm beginning to wonder what's wrong with me. All cases compiling from
source.

Only knoppmyth has worked 100% (from the myth point of view) but I
can't stand using it. It comes with broken X, and disabled sshd
(starts after you run their config, but I can't do that without a
working X, and I can't use the CLI, because I can't switch out of the
broken X) Gh!

I think gentoo is next up to bat.
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RE: [mythtv-users] Low power backend suggestions?

[Neil Davidson]

> > I have a mobile Athlon in my system. runs very cool, in fact the onboard
> CPU
> > fan monitor constantly beeps when enabled to tell me my fan is
> running too
> > slow. The cooler o it is temperature controlled and is usually
> running as
> > low as it can without stalling :)
> >
> Hi,
>
> could you please give some more info on HW you use. Did you by any chance
> measure power consumption or speed ?
>
> I'm too looking for lower power solution, but think that Pentium M and
> particular mobos are over priced - at least now.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>

the good thing about the Athlon mobile is you can use standard hardware. I
have a 2500+ Mobile plugged into an Abit NF7-S v2.0 nForce2 board. No
problems with supporting the reduced voltage etc, but it doesn't identify or
detect the chip automatically, you have to set everything manually.


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Re: [mythtv-users] apt & mythtv-suite

[Matt McKeon]

when trying apt-get install mythdvd it returns:
 The following packages have unmet dependencies:
mythdvd: Depends: transcode (>= 0.6.8) but it is not going to be 
installed
   E: Broken packages

also when trying apt-get install mythtv-suite it returns this:
 The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 mythtv-suite: Depends: mythdvd (>= 0.16) but is is not going to be 
installed
 E: Broken packages

As for my sources.list...
rpm http://apt.atrpms.net   redhat/9/en/i386   at-stable
there is also two entries for:
http://ayo.freshrpms.net  redhat/9/i386  os
http://ayo.freshrpms.net  redhat/9/i386  updates
then another for fedoralegacyupdates...
Thanks again, well hopefully someone will make sense of this! ha

Gabe Rubin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:13:06 -0500, Matt McKeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

I tried the apt-get install ImageMagick, but it came back saying:
ImageMagick is already the newest version. mythtv-suite fails because of
mythdvd; then trying to do apt-get install mythdvd fails on a
dependencies transcode.. Then if I try to do transcode their is another
failed dependcy..its an endless circle
   

Post the last error from transcode.  That is where I got hung up with
ImageMagick.  I am not saying I know what the answer (probably I
won't), but Axel might (he identified the ImageMagick issue I had). 
Also, which repo are you using from your sources.list? 
Stable/testing/bleeding?

 


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Re: [mythtv-users] apt & mythtv-suite

[Gabe Rubin]

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:13:06 -0500, Matt McKeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I tried the apt-get install ImageMagick, but it came back saying:
> ImageMagick is already the newest version. mythtv-suite fails because of
> mythdvd; then trying to do apt-get install mythdvd fails on a
> dependencies transcode.. Then if I try to do transcode their is another
> failed dependcy..its an endless circle

Post the last error from transcode.  That is where I got hung up with
ImageMagick.  I am not saying I know what the answer (probably I
won't), but Axel might (he identified the ImageMagick issue I had). 
Also, which repo are you using from your sources.list? 
Stable/testing/bleeding?

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[mythtv-users] HD input in the future (DVI and HDMI)

[Sean Cier]

Brad Templeton wrote:
Then the push will come from the studios to get rid of component video
and DVI.  (They are already fully underway with DVI, almost all new
TV sets have HDMI instead, which is backwards compatible with DVI.)
Uncertain how that battle will go.
Just wanted to clarify here; I presume you were just simplifying for 
clarity's sake, but wanted to point out that HDMI does not mean DVI + copy 
protection: DVI+HDCP means DVI + copy protection, while HDMI basically means 
DVI+HDCP+Audio+BidirectionalCommunications (to negotiate formats, send IR 
signals, etc) with a new connector.  So nothing about HDMI is really about 
copy protection -- it just happens that the version of DVI that HDMI is 
based on already included copy protection (HDCP) -- and AFAIK, nearly all 
currently-for-sale displays which have DVI input already have DVI+HDCP (as 
do many or possibly most video sources with DVI output, i.e. HD tuners and 
some DVD players).

If anybody doubts this, a bit of searching reveals $30 dongles that take 
HDMI as input and send DVI output, simply by stripping out the 
'unneccessary' bits of HDMI; no decryption involved, since the encrypted 
video stream is the same between the two.

Also note that there's been a lot of suggestion that HDCP is quite readily 
crackable, quite possibly already effectively cracked; there's just not yet 
a good motivation to distribute the cracks ala libdvdcss, since nobody could 
yet do anything useful with the unencrypted DVI stream anyhow.  It's a 
slightly fuzzy area since the industry(*) could fight back against *some* 
kinds of cracks by using key revocation -- but key revocation is an entirely 
untested technology, and is likely utterly, laughably impractical in the 
real world.

(*)I'll leave determining *which* industry as an exercise to the reader.
So even if full-resolution component video and 'vanilla' DVI become a thing 
of the past, using DVI+HDCP or HDMI -- currently the state-of-the-art 
connector, with no suggestions of anything higher-tech on the horizon -- and 
MPEG2 encoders which, as Brad suggested, Moore's law will inevitably bring 
us -- will mean that HD input to our Myth boxes will be a real possibility 
long-term, with likely the only 'hack' being obtaining a 'libhdcp' the same 
way you obtain 'libdvdcss' now (and, worst-case, the use of an external HD 
tuner box used the same way cable tuners are used by many now).  Of course, 
it would be nice if even this turned out not to be necessary for our 
fair-use manipulation of the datastream, but if it does, it's not the end of 
the world.

Of course, for OTA or unencrypted cable, using a GnuRadio card
 and ATSC (or QAM) 
software codec could result in a more elegant solution even in a 
post-broadcast-flag era; but that doesn't necessarily work for encrypted 
cable signals, and its legal status for OTA remains to be determined (though 
it would have to be a pretty flaky legal decision to make that hardware 
illegal).

Even better would be if the EFF and others succeeded in getting the 
ridiculous broadcast flag struck down in court (well, more specifically, the 
FCC's self-granted oversight over the entire data chain and hence the entire 
technology industry).  And/or maybe a cable tuner PCI card that took a 
CableCard and delivered clear MPEG2 bitstreams or, hell, even uncompressed 
frames... hey, a guy can dream, can't he?

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RE: [mythtv-users] nvidia graphics FC 3

[Mead, Ted]

I downloaded the drivers from here:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-6629.html

and followed the install instructions.  I'm running the latest FC3.
Since then my system has been stable.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Templeton
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 12:32 AM
To: Discussion about mythtv
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia graphics FC 3


On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 12:08:26AM +0100, Hugo van der Kooij wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005, Frank smith wrote:
> 
> > On downloading 6629 I open a console as root and use:
> > init 3
> >
> > This on my system seems to try and reboot the pc.
> 
> You seem to have a problem in your machine. If switching to runlevel 3

> results in a reboot you need to read the logs and see why it went for 
> a reboot as it is an indication of a serious problem on your specific 
> machine.

Well, perhaps he means level 5, the one that starts X?  (Frankly I never
have my machines start X on boot, it's asking for trouble in many cases
and how hard is it to run startx?)

Because there many people, including me, have given up on the 6629
driver as too crash-prone, systems going into hard deaths when trying to
start X, or the X server going into a bad state that forces kill -9,
which
means no reset of the console.   After these, I have tried many
different commands to try to fully restore the console, and none work
perfectly.  Anybody know one?  (Starting and quitting X helps but
doesn't return the cursor on my system.)
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Re: [mythtv-users] Low power backend suggestions?

[Robert Rozman]

- Original Message - 
From: "Neil Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion about mythtv" 
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 9:40 PM
Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] Low power backend suggestions?


>
> > > The Mprocessors and motherboards are very expensive - to the point
> > > that I thought the cost/benefit would be an issue.very
> >
> > Yes, they are quite expensive.  I was hoping someone on the list has had
> > experience with the mobile AMD processors.
>
> I have a mobile Athlon in my system. runs very cool, in fact the onboard
CPU
> fan monitor constantly beeps when enabled to tell me my fan is running too
> slow. The cooler o it is temperature controlled and is usually running as
> low as it can without stalling :)
>
Hi,

could you please give some more info on HW you use. Did you by any chance
measure power consumption or speed ?

I'm too looking for lower power solution, but think that Pentium M and
particular mobos are over priced - at least now.

Thanks in advance,

Rob.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Knoppmyth, problem grabbing channel icons using mkiconmap.pl

[John Kuhn]

I believe you are missing a perl package libwww-perl
apt-get install libwww-perl
should fix it.. if not its another perl package i cant think of atm
--John
Russell Salerno wrote:
Hello all - 

Background: running MythTV installed from latest KnoppMyth r4v5 distro with an 
XBox front end. Getting listing data from Zap2It.com.  I've got most of the 
kinks ironed out and now would like to install the channel icons for my cable 
system's lineup, Cablevision of Woodbury, NY, US (zip code 11746).
I followed step 9.5 of the MythTV docs which recommend using mkiconmap.pl to 
grab logos from the web, but can't get past this error:
--
 

perl mkiconmap.pl
   

Calling tv_grab_na_icons...
Postal Code: 11746
Can't locate object method "status_line" via package "WWW::Mechanize" at 
/usr/bin/tv_grab_na_icons line 251,  line 1.
--
Searching the usual sources didn't uncover anything.  Any tips on getting this 
to work would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
 Russell
 


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Re: [mythtv-users] apt & mythtv-suite

[Matt McKeon]

I tried the apt-get install ImageMagick, but it came back saying: 
ImageMagick is already the newest version. mythtv-suite fails because of 
mythdvd; then trying to do apt-get install mythdvd fails on a 
dependencies transcode.. Then if I try to do transcode their is another 
failed dependcy..its an endless circle

Gabe Rubin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:57:19 -0500, Matt McKeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

I have gone through the list archives looking for a solution to this
with no luck. I am sorry if there is one, but I am unable to find it and
going crazy! The problem I am encountering is when I try to do apt-get
install mythtv-suite, it comes back with a failed dependacy on mythdvd.
I am using a fresh install of RedHat 9 and have read and followed the
wilson guide to this point. I was able to do apt-get install mythfront
and backend. But still failing on the mythtv-suite.  Can anyone give me
some guidance??
Thanks!
   


this happened with me during an upgrade, and I believe the dependency
was ImageMagick.  Try to do an:
apt-get install ImageMagick
see if that installs and then you may be able to do dvd.  If not, post
the error message and someone should be able to get you up and
running.
 


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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Newbie: FC3 - MythTVsetup GUI issue.

[Ian Trider]

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:25:16 +1100, jani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The problem is to do with font sizes. Install the FC2 version of the
> urw-fonts package as described here:
> http://www.users.on.net/~jani/dvico-mythtv-10.html#ss10.1
> That should fix the problems you're seeing.

I think this is a separate issue, since I am using that version of
urw-fonts in FC2 and have the same problem.

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[mythtv-users] MythGame fceu-sdl slowness...

[Josh Dalcher]

Hello,
I'm having some trouble with fceultra and 
MythGame.  I have installed fceultra from apt and configured it as I found 
on MythTV.info with the command line options:
/usr/bin/fceu-sdl -opengl 0 -fs 1
 
I am testing it with good roms (I have tested on a 
few other systems) and for some reason my fceultra is running at a very slow 
pace.  Both the music and the gameplay are performing at about 
half-speed.  I am running FC2 with the 0.16 version of MythGame and an AMD 
Athlon 2400+ chip, so my machine should be fast enough to handle this.  I 
am running this through my PVR-350 TV-out which is not giving me any trouble 
with other aspects of MythTV.
 
I have tried other command line options like -vmode 
4 and with or without the -opengl flag, it appears to have no effect on this 
problem.  I hope that someone else has had this same problem and has an 
easy fix for it.
 
Thank you all for the help!
Josh Dalcher
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Re: [mythtv-users] Channel change problem on sheduled recordings...

[Kim B. Nielsen]

Kim B. Nielsen wrote:
Hi...
I've run into a problem when I'm recording a scheduled program. The 
problem is, in short, that mythtv doesn't change the channel, before 
recording a scheduled program, and thus it's recording on the 
scheduled time and in the scheduled length, but on the wrong channel. 
However, I'm able to change the channel without problems when I'm 
watching live tv. As I understand it, it's the same command that is 
called, so I'm a bit confused about this. Is there any of you who have 
seen this problem before, and is there any of you who might have an 
solution. The card I'm experiencing the problem on, is a pvr 250.

The myth version is the cvs version of last night (Actually, 8 hours 
ago :), and I'm living in Denmark, western Europe...

Ok... I managed to crack this nut... It helped to wipe the database and 
configure all over again...


My machine configuration (Relevant details)
Hauppauge PVR 250
ASUS TV-FM - saa7335
Athlon mobile 2400+
256 MB RAM

Unfortunally, this card and this chip doesn't seem to be supported at 
all under linux. Actually, it's the tuner on the card that isn't 
supported, as far as I'm able to google... But if anyone got it to work, 
I would very much like to hear from you..

On another note, Is there anyone, who has some good instructions for 
getting the ASUS TV-FM card to work?? Currently, the card is being 
detected, I've set the right (I think) board number and the right 
tuner, but all I get of output, is a black screen in mythtv. Anyone 
who has a good howto, or some additional tips as how I can test or 
configure the card?

Any help will be greatly appreciated...
Regards
Kim

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Regards
Kim
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Re: [mythtv-users] Controlling mythmusic from mythweb

[Eggert Thorlacius]

On 17.1.2005, at 19:45, Richie Jarvis wrote:
Eggert Thorlacius wrote:
On 17.1.2005, at 00:59, Chris Petersen wrote:
I was quite excited when I saw MythMusic as one choice in mythweb. 
But
it seems all you can do is download the mp3s on the mythbox. I like 
to
be able to play and pause music on the mythbox from the mythweb
interface. Is it possible, perhaps with yet another plugin.

This will come sometime after mythmusic is *capable* of remote 
control via the new mfd stuff that Thor (I think) is working on.

But yes, the mythweb stuff is currently only really there for 
managing playlists.

-Chris
While we wait for remote control in MythMusic, can anyone recommend a 
Linux web app for playing music locally?  I have searched all over, 
but all the web apps that I have seen that have a decent interface 
(f.ex. Andromeda) seem to be designed to stream audio to the web 
client instead of playing it on the server.  It seems a bit of a 
waste to stream music to my laptop when the machine they are hosted 
on is already connected to the home theatre amp :-)
Eggert
Commandline: mplayer - or why not use myth?
Well, personally I prefer a web interface over picking music with a 
remote control.  I realize that I can ssh into the mythbox and run 
mplayer, but I just find it a bit strange that with all the impressive 
looking streaming web apps that seem to be out there, I can't find a 
single one that has an option of sending the files to mplayer instead 
of streaming them.

Eggert
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Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV with Digital Audio from my Sattelite?

[Jeff Artz]

Hello?  Is there anybody out there?

- Original Message - 
From: "Jeff Artz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Discussion about mythtv" 
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 3:18 PM
Subject: [mythtv-users] MythTV with Digital Audio from my Sattelite?


  Ok, I'm not using MythTV in the living room **yet**.  I'm still getting it
'perfected' for my environment.  I currently use a couple of Dish Network
DP7100 PVRs -- the living room is connected with SPDIF audio to my receiver,
the bedroom one is connected with standard sterio audio to my TV.

  Basically, I'm wondering if I have to sacrifice my digital audio from my
Sattelite receiver if I'm going switch to MythTV and use the PVR-350 or
PVR-250 for recording.  I say this because these cards do the mpeg
encoding/multiplexing in hardware and don't accept digital audio input.
(that I know of)  But if I use a "BT" series card (that ends up doing
encoding in software), can I use SPDIF as an input and perserve the digital
audio in the resulting recording?  Or is it just going to 'downmix' the
SPDIF input to sterio anyways, and not really record it in digital form?
Am I limited to just 'stereo' recording with non-HD capture equipment?

My current backend system is:
  Athlon XP 1800+
  Fedora Core 2
  768MB DDR 333
  PVR-350   (setup w/record only - not using TV out)
  PVR-250   (on order - should arrive today or tomorow)
  Pinnacle PCTV pro  (Bt878 chipset)
  ATI Radeon 9200 SE  (may swap out for an Nvidea with TV out)
  Adaptec AHA-2940U2/U2W SCSI controller
  18GB SCSI III drive for OS
  2x 50GB SCSI III drives for Video storage (still have to figure out how to
setup LVD so they're seen as ONE drive... currently '/video1' and '/video2')

Note: My current backend setup doesn't have any SPDIF connectivity, but I've
got a SoundBlaster Live! that's ready to go in for it.

So the final setup I'd like to have is this:
  Mythtv Backend
 PVR-350 <-- svideo & SPDIF <-- Dish Sat Receiver #1
 PVR-250 <-- svideo & SPDIF <-- Dish Sat Receiver #2
 Pinnacle PCTV Pro <-- RF <-- OTA Antenna
 Pinnacle PCTV Pro <-- Svideo & Audio <-- Another DP receiver, or
whatever

  MythFrontend #1
 Svideo out -> TV
 SPDIF out -> Receiver

  MythFrontend #2
 Svideo out -> TV
 Sterio Audio (Analog) -> TV

  

 Jeff

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RE: [mythtv-users] PVR350

[John Harvey]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mythtv-users-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BO PP
> Sent: 17 January 2005 19:55
> To: mythtv-users@mythtv.org
> Subject: [mythtv-users] PVR350
> 
> Hello.
> 
> System info:
> -SuSE 9.1 (2.6.5-7.111.5-default)
> -MythTV 0.16.20040906-1
> -frontend and backend both runing on same computer
> -1 PVR350
> -ivtv 0.2.0-rc3d
> -living in pal-land
> 
> 
> I'm trying to use my PVR350 card.  The first problem, and most annoying
> one,
> is that mythtv isn't able to change channels!  I've tried to make a script
> "setchannel", which just holds:
> ptune.pl --f pal-europe -c $1
> ...which works just fine from command-prompt, but not at all from mythtv
> (how should the syntaxt in the "external channel change"-field look
> like?).
> 
For the 350 you don't use a channel change program. You just set up the
frequencies properly in the channel setup.

> Also, since running on an old computer, I would like to use the tv-out
> from
> my pvr.  Not a  problem at all, just tick of the flag that I want to use
> HW
> for playback.  Nice.  But this is obiously only working for tv-output
> (with
> the info-overlay).  First of all, is there some way that I can adjust
> where
> on the screen the overlay-info is put?  This is scaled to big for my
> screen
> such that I can't read what mythtv tries to tell me.  The next problem,
> and
> reason why I maybe should crosspost this message, I'm not able at all to
> start x running on the fbdev.  X starts, but not showing anything on my tv
> :(
> 

You should take this to the ivtv-dev list.
Best starting point would be to post the (appropriate) output in your
messages file and the X log file and probably the X config file. From there
we can make a start to work out what is wrong.

What version of the ivtvdev driver are you using? I would recommend the 0.8
version which I posted to ivtv-dev mailing list a week or 2 ago. It will
make debugging this easier.

John

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RE: [mythtv-users] Low power backend suggestions?

[Neil Davidson]

> > The Mprocessors and motherboards are very expensive - to the point
> > that I thought the cost/benefit would be an issue.very
>
> Yes, they are quite expensive.  I was hoping someone on the list has had
> experience with the mobile AMD processors.

I have a mobile Athlon in my system. runs very cool, in fact the onboard CPU
fan monitor constantly beeps when enabled to tell me my fan is running too
slow. The cooler on it is temperature controlled and is usually running as
low as it can without stalling :)

> > Thought about the VIA stuff?
>
> I assume you're talking about the mini-itx boards?  They would be
> just fine,
> but as far as I know, those only have one pci slot.  I need 2 at the very
> least for my M179's.
>

if you are sure you only need two slots you could get away with it. Because
PCI is a bus protocol then you can split the slot in two with an adapter. I
can't remember all the specifics about it, but most cards and systems should
be happy with this arrangement (I think bus mastering devices have a problem
with it, but could be wrong on that two)



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Re: [mythtv-users] apt & mythtv-suite

[Gabe Rubin]

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:57:19 -0500, Matt McKeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have gone through the list archives looking for a solution to this
> with no luck. I am sorry if there is one, but I am unable to find it and
> going crazy! The problem I am encountering is when I try to do apt-get
> install mythtv-suite, it comes back with a failed dependacy on mythdvd.
> I am using a fresh install of RedHat 9 and have read and followed the
> wilson guide to this point. I was able to do apt-get install mythfront
> and backend. But still failing on the mythtv-suite.  Can anyone give me
> some guidance??
> 
>  Thanks!


this happened with me during an upgrade, and I believe the dependency
was ImageMagick.  Try to do an:
apt-get install ImageMagick

see if that installs and then you may be able to do dvd.  If not, post
the error message and someone should be able to get you up and
running.
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