Re: [mythtv-users] mixer being mucked with

[Michael T. Dean]

Trent Albright wrote:


When I launch MythTV, I execute the following command prior:

/usr/sbin/alsactl restore

If I then jump straight to using MythVideo, and watch a video with 
mplayer, the sound level is fine. However, once I go back to live TV, 
the mixer is lowered again.


If I jump straight to live TV, the mixer is also lowered again.

These seems to indicate to me that MythTv is mucking with my mixer, 
and lower the volume? Anybody else experienced this, or have a 
suggestion about how I could fix it?


Myth remembers the last volume you used.  So, either stop using external 
mixer programs or uncheck


Use internal volume controls
MythTV can control the PCM and master mixer volume.  If you prefer to 
use an external mixer program, then disable this option.


You should use either internal volume controls or external mixers--not both.

Mike

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Re: [mythtv-users] mythplugins ---> correct install directory

[Chad]

On 11/30/05, Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kevin Kuphal wrote:
>
> > Depends on your installation.  If your installation is configured for
> > /usr/local as the prefix, then /usr/local/lib is correct.  If it is
> > configured for /usr then /usr/lib is correct.
> > Kevin
> >
> Kevin,
>   Everything else myth seems to go to /usr/local on my Debian
> system.  Half of the plugins go to /usr/lib/myth/plugins and the other
> half to /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins (these show up in myth).  Indeed,
> if I symlink to the plugins in /lib/mythtv/plugins/ then they show up
> under myth.  I suspect that the make files have had the leading
> /usr/local omitted for the install_root variable.  Does this sound correct?
>
> Cheers Ben
> ___

If you are rolling your own packages (using sources from official SVN
or official stable) then you can specify where you want your installs
to go (I believe default is /usr/local).  If you are using deb's or
something similar (not your own packages) and they are all from the
same source, they should also be installing the same location.  If
this is not the case, you are far better off contacting the maintainer
of these packages to let them know of their 'error'.

Chad
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Re: [mythtv-users] mythweb-svn problem

[Chad]

> People who run unstable
> code have no right to bitch about things not being documented.
>
> -Chris
> ___

I totally agree with this and think it whole heartedly should be understood.

However, I don't necessarily take feedback on these lists as
'bitching' at least not all the time ;)

But of course, the right place to do this constructive bitching would
be on a real bug report.

Thanks for the quality product!  I think I would have dropped myth in
the beginning had I not also had mythweb as a great bragging rights
tool to show off to co-workers.

Cool
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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Mythbackend losing sql connection on the start of some recordings

[Scott Carr]

I have been having this same problem for about 2 months now.  I have to 
restart MythBackend and everything works again for .5 day to 3 days, 
then next time you go to check scheduled programs, you get nothing.


It is not necassarily after a mythfilldatabase update, as I usually 
don't run mythfilldatabase everyday.   Sometimes waiting a week to run 
it, when I see the scheduled programs getting low.


I have tried using MythBackend in debug mode, but that doesn't appear to 
log anything that I found useful, no error messages, or anything.


If you find something please let us know.

Sasha Z wrote:


Some more information, it can't access the scheduled recordings list,
but it has no problems getting the recorded programs table. This is
seriously strange, and I have no possible explanation.

Someone... anyone... help?

On 11/28/05, Sasha Z <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 


I seem to be losing the database connection before some recordings,
but not all. Mysql is *not* dying, and I am able to open and
manipulate the database via the mysql console without trouble.
Mythbackend itself isn't crashing either, it's just no longer able to
communicate with the database.

Mysql logs show no errors on that end, and I don't have to restart
mysqld to make things work. I _only_ have to restart mythbackend. I'm
running SVN from today. mysql is version 5.0.16. It happens rather
suspiciously on the first recording after a listings update... this is
common.

Here's a snippet of the log when it dies:

2005-11-28 13:15:26.270 New DB connection, total: 5
Data for source cleared...
Main temp tables populated.  Updating myth channels...
Updating icons for sourceid: 1
Channels updated..  Updating programs...
Adjusting program database end times...
0 replacements made.
Marking generic episodes... found 794
Marking repeats... found 2100
Unmarking new episode rebroadcast repeats... found 11

Attempting to contact the master backend for rescheduling.
If the master is not running, rescheduling will happen when
the master backend is restarted.
2005-11-28 13:15:30.079 Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.8:6543
(try 1 of 5)
2005-11-28 13:15:30.097 Using protocol version 22
2005-11-28 13:15:30.108 adding: mythbe01 as a client (events: 0)
2005-11-28 13:15:30.150 Unknown socket closing
2005-11-28 14:29:41.783 TVRec(2): Changing from None to RecordingOnly
2005-11-28 14:29:41.784 Global TVFormat Setting 'NTSC'
2005-11-28 14:29:41.785 Channel(/dev/v4l/video1): SetFormat(Default)
fmt(NTSC) input(4)
2005-11-28 14:29:41.787 Channel(/dev/v4l/video1): SetFormat(Default)
fmt(NTSC) input(4)
2005-11-28 14:29:41.967 DB Error (KickDatabase):
Query was:
SELECT NULL;
Driver error was [2/2006]:
QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query
Database error was:
MySQL server has gone away

   


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Re: [mythtv-users] How big is your database?

[W.Kenworthy]

heh heh - its 12 months since my last ext3 reinstall - lost 40gbytes off
an ext3 partition (this being the worst of a number of cases on this
laptop) - I have gone back to resierfs and have been happy since.  Too
flaky for me.

I think its a case of YMMV, but I wont be using again ext2/3 except in
very narrow circumstances (/boot on gentoo).

BillK


On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 00:53 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:54:44 +0800
> From: "W.Kenworthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Use LVM.  
> 
... 
> 
> And I won't use reiserfs.  Not 3, not 4.  Never again.

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Re: [mythtv-users] XBox with root via NFS?

[chris]

On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 06:24:13AM -0800, Ben Dash wrote:
> When you created the swap and root partitions what
> device, hdaxx, did you specify when you ran fdisk?

I installed Xebian and specified the option to install to the upper 2Gb 
using native Linux partitions.  It automagically created /dev/hda1 
(swap) and /dev/hda2 (root).  The original FATX partitions show up as 
/dev/hda50 and up but are not listed in the partition table.  I'm 
assuming that the xbeboot loader and xbox kernel patches configure the 
system to use an alternate partition table in a place where the XBox 
operating system won't notice it, and the block device knows to look in 
the original XBox partition table when referencing the other device 
nodes.

Here's what 'fdisk -l' says:

Disk /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc: 10.0 GB, 10005037056 bytes
16 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19386 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 = 516096 bytes

Device Boot Start   End  Blocks  Id System
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1  15510 16006  25+  1 FAT12
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 *16006 19386 1704007+ 83 Linux

I have no idea why it says the swap partition is a FAT12 partition, but
it doesn't seem to affect the system operation at all.
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Re: [mythtv-users] Gentoo n00b needing advice!

[Paul V. Gratz]

On Wednesday 30 November 2005 08:25 pm, stephen wrote:
> > Yup - that's what I'm running.  Now if I can only figure out how to
> > get it to auto-login and startx automatically.
>
> I'm using evilwm for a window manager on gentoo, and used some info from
> this site to get the autologin working:
>
> http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue72/chung.html
>
> There's probably an easier way, but this worked great for me.


A simpler, yet arguably slightly more bloated route is to install gdm
and use its menu system to setup autologin for a particular account.
I did this with fluxbox as that account's window manager.  Then I
setup fluxbox to launch mythfrontend and everything is set.  Sure
there is some gtk and etc bloat but for a noob its much easier to
setup than messing with arcane stuff like inittab .xsession or
.xinitrc.  Plus, IMHO its less brittle than scriptifying it.  

Paul




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[mythtv-users] tv_grab_au Syntax Error

[Jeff_Logica]

Firstly, sorry if this appears twice, my email client appears not to have
sent the first one.

I am trying to swap over to the immir version of tv_grab_au (version 1.44)
but am having problems getting it to run.

When running if from a command line I get the following error message:

./tv_grab_au --configure
syntax error at ./tv_grab_au line 123, near "XMLTV::Config_:"
BEGIN not safe after errors--compilation aborted at ./tv_grab_au line 130.

I believe that XMLTV::Config_file is correctly installed.  I am running
Gentoo 64, I did have trouble with the emerge XMLTV, (it didn't appear to
have ProgressBar included which was needed by the other tv grabber I have
been using (onlinetractorparts one)) so I manually
downloaded/compiled/installed it.

Any help as to why this is failing appreciated.

Thanks,
Jeff.
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Re: [mythtv-users] Cant delete programs when HD files up

[chris]

On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 09:13:02AM +, Ant Daniel wrote:
> Forgive my lack of knowledge, but if the space is reserved and shows
> up in the df (or doesn't show?), shouldn't this make the auto-expire
> routine detect 100% when the disk is 95% full?

If a program was checking "free space" then it would think there was
room left even though it was not available.  If a program was checking
"available space" then it would realize that the space remaining on the
drive is not useable.

In any case, this is (as suspected) a red herring.  I had a look at
autoexpire.cpp and it is using f_bavail so as long as the math is
correct and there are no logic bombs, MythTV *should* be immune to
complications caused by reserved space.

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[mythtv-users] mythbackend identity crisis!

[Gerald Schepens]

I am having trouble with my mythbackend.  For some reason, it can 
connect to my mysql database just fine when started manually, but when 
started as a service, it attempts to connect as "mythtv" which is not 
how I set it up.  Why does it think it needs to use different 
credentials when it's started as a service and how do I fix it?


Thanks in advance,

Gerald
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[mythtv-users] How big is your database?

[f-myth-users]

Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:54:44 +0800
From: "W.Kenworthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Use LVM.  

Yes, I know about LVM, but it doesn't solve my problem, because the
-filesystems- can't be easily resized.  (ext3 is easy; it can grow and
shrink.  One of JFS or XFS [I can't recall which] can only be grown.
Neither can be shrunk.  So if I might have to copy the entire
filesystem -anyway-, LVM does me no good unless I need to expand to
other disks, and I'm not going to be using the recordings directory in
that way.  And while I use LVM on some of my hosts, it's not compelling
enough to use it in the Myth, since it's -much- more of a hassle to
swap disks around or do dd-style temporary mirroring (e.g., for
experimentation or to save a disk before it dies) with LVM.  On my
regular workstation hosts, sure, LVM is exactly what I want, so I
never have to worry about "which disk has space for this tree?" sorts
of issues.  But they all run a single ext3fs, which is easily
resizeable, and that resizeability is why I initially didn't want to
use anything else for Myth.  But its poor deletion performance means I
should change.  [I could redo the entire FS without largefile4 support
and win a bit, but it's not a great solution and actually -more- work
than repartitioning.])

And I won't use reiserfs.  Not 3, not 4.  Never again.
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[mythtv-users] mixer being mucked with

[Trent Albright]

When I launch MythTV, I execute the following command prior:

/usr/sbin/alsactl restore

If I then jump straight to using MythVideo, and watch a video with
mplayer, the sound level is fine. However, once I go back to live TV,
the mixer is lowered again.

If I jump straight to live TV, the mixer is also lowered again.

These seems to indicate to me that MythTv is mucking with my mixer, and
lower the volume? Anybody else experienced this, or have a suggestion
about how I could fix it?

Thanks...
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[mythtv-users] tv_grab_au Syntax Error

[Jeff_Logica]

I am attempting to swap over to using the Immir tv_grab_au script, but am
having issues getting it to run. (I've been running the other (tractor parts
I think) script for a while now).

I am using Gentoo 64, and did have some issues with the XMLTV emerge, so
downloaded and installed the latest XMLTV from the project page.  I have
downloaded version 1.44 of the tv_grab-au script, but when I try to run it
all I get it the following error:

./tv_grab_au --configure
syntax error at ./tv_grab_au line 123, near "XMLTV::Config_:"
BEGIN not safe after errors--compilation aborted at
./tv_grab_au__newNotWorkig line 130.


I have re-run the perl install of XMLTV::Config_file, and it claims it is
all installed.

Any ideas/help on why this is not running?

Thanks,
Jeff.
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Re: [mythtv-users] Uncool surprise... coming back from vacation, shows not recorded.

[Jeff Simpson]

o  No video.  For example, one of the local PBS affiliates   -frequently- airs totally black video in place of a show.  (This
   probably happens once a month, usually in the dead of night when   nobody at the station is awake.)  They'll air the promo, then cut   to black, and then at the end of the hour, the next promo...  So   there's sync, the card's working, etc, but there's no -content-.
o  Crappy, unwatchable video (half-destroyed by static, etc).   This is typically because the studio feed crapped out somehow.   I've sometimes seen shows slowly degrade from fine to total snow   over the course of half an hour.  Discovery Channel seems particularly
   prone to this sort of failure, at least here.o  No audio.  I've seen this in ivtv (working w/Hans to track it down   in my case), and sometimes the station blows it, too.

Add in the zero length file problem. Problems with the card and/or driver that occur,
causing nothing to be recorded at all (not a blank video, just no video at all). Possibly
also failed channel change, but that is hard to detect.

Maybe have it handle when the recording is significantly different in length than expected?
in time and/or filesize. My recordings are always 1.1gig/hour, almost exactly, so if a file rings
in at 800mb for an hour, something is wrong. Also, recording length. If the backend screws up,
a half hour recording could start late or cut off early, making say a 17 minute file instead of 30.
Those should be re-recorded, I would think.

Another mistake that might be tough to find is a schedule discrepancy. This sunday, for example,
the football game ran long and Family Guy failed to record (combined with my idea of "hey, I'll tell it not
to record and instead just tune to it live and pause, and come back for itonly to find out that the next
recording it tried to do bumped me out of live tv with no way to recover that buffer).

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Re: [mythtv-users] How big is your database?

[Claude Boucher]

I've been running a Myth system for 9 months now, with programming for 
113 channels, 125 videos and 1700 music tracks (for a total of 411,682 
records as of now) and I keep it between 35-50 MB. I usually optimize my 
database once a week, removing deleted data with phpMyAdmin.


I would say the size of the 'mythconverg' database is probably not your 
biggest problem, as far disk usage is concerned.


Claude

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I'm about to repartition, leaving everything except recordings in an
ext3fs partition, and putting all recordings into JFS.  But I'd rather
not discover that I've made the ext3 too small, and I'd rather not
waste gigs making it too big.

The only thing I have no idea about is whether the mysql database
tends to grow monotonically or not, and how large it typically gets.

Can somebody give me an idea of how large a database typically is
after Myth has been used a long while, or how fast it grows?  I'm
guessing that deleting a recording will correctly flush everything
else associated with it (cutlist, mythcomflagging, etc), but does the
DB keep any records of -everything- I've ever recorded, and will those
be likely to expand to large proportions?  (Basically, does the DB
bloat/leak as time goes on...)



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[mythtv-users] Uncool surprise... coming back from vacation, shows not recorded.

[f-myth-users]

I've been thinking about this issue quite a bit recently.  I have half
of a solution but need a little bit of advice on how to make it a
whole solution; if even one person has an idea about how to address
each of 3-4 problem areas, I can put together the pieces and post it
back for everyone to use.  (All of these presume you're starting with
an mpeg.)

What I'm trying to do:  Have Myth notice that a recording is "bad" and
autoreschedule a new one.  (If there's no repeat, well, you're SOL,
but often there is---if only you knew about it soon enough!)  This
could be extended to "and send mail screaming bloody murder" to warn
people of misconfigurations/dead-machines whatever as well, of course.

In my experience, three problems happen:
   
o  No video.  For example, one of the local PBS affiliates
   -frequently- airs totally black video in place of a show.  (This
   probably happens once a month, usually in the dead of night when
   nobody at the station is awake.)  They'll air the promo, then cut
   to black, and then at the end of the hour, the next promo...  So
   there's sync, the card's working, etc, but there's no -content-.
o  Crappy, unwatchable video (half-destroyed by static, etc).
   This is typically because the studio feed crapped out somehow.
   I've sometimes seen shows slowly degrade from fine to total snow
   over the course of half an hour.  Discovery Channel seems particularly
   prone to this sort of failure, at least here.
o  No audio.  I've seen this in ivtv (working w/Hans to track it down
   in my case), and sometimes the station blows it, too.

Partial ideas for solutions.  Help appreciated!

o  Either look for a suspiciously-small output file (will all that
   black video produce a very small mpg? Or will it be close-enough
   to normal size that a heuristic like this won't work?), or have
   something that counts scene changes and complains if the average
   is too low.  I'm guessing that the guts of mythcommflag might have
   some of the relevant code, but is there some easy way running
   something (mencode, or some other tool that groks mpegs) and just
   having it output the number of scene changes, or something like
   that?  Surely somebody has this tool already.
o  I dunno how to notice high static.  Does it tend to interfere with
   scene-change detection?  Can it be guessed by running some sort of
   Gaussian filter over a few frames and seeing if they clean up too
   much or too little?  Excessive high-frequency information in either
   the chroma or luminance channels?  The image-processing community
   probably knows how to do this, but maybe there's a quick & easy
   idea someone has here, given that we're already talking about mpegs.
o  Dump the audio out (mplayer input -dumpaudio -dumpfile output)
   and then look for excessively-low average, or sample it for a few
   seconds every few minutes and complain if too many of them are
   silent (or close to silent; compensates for hum, etc).  There's
   probably some simple audio tool that can do this, but I don't know
   what off the top of my head.

The final problem:  instructing the backend to retry the recording.
This is presumably some simple SQL magic.  But what?

Thanks for any ideas anyone can suggest...

P.S.  Is there an easy tool of producing a series of thumbnails of
every scene change from a section of video?  (Or perhaps just a single
frame from every n minutes, regardless of scenes.)  That would be
handy no matter what, to quickly notice that the middle of something
got trashed, or to make it possible to notice that, e.g., PBS decided
to show an hour of Exciting Legislators Voting and Debating instead of
whatever they originally scheduled, which also happens quite a bit
here... :)  The idea is to have something so low-bandwidth that it
could be quickly checked at the other end of some network link far
from home, allowing manual rescheduling via mythweb...
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Re: [mythtv-users] MythMusic and MythVideo on Debian unstable

[Ben Holt]

On 30/11/05, Kyle Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Except it all bails out here since the dijkstra sources are fubared.
> Thankfully they can be downloaded manually from the mythtv.old directory.

Ah yes, I see what you mean :-(.

http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/README

- Ben

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Re: [mythtv-users] Are there any xbox mythtv distros still beingsupported?

[Ben Holt]

On 30/11/05, William <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That distro fails when it cannot find any files at
>
> deb http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv
>
> I have not been able to access this repo since 2 weeks ago.

Hmm, unfortunately this would explain your problem:

http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/README

About 4 weeks ago I rebuilt my xebian 1.1.4 (aka debian sarge) based
mythtv frontend from the source packages available at this repository.
 I have all of the resulting deb files and some related ones if you
would like copies let me know and I can make them available:

libaal-dev_1.0.4-1_i386.deb
mythmusic_0.18.1-2_i386.deb
mythtv-frontend_0.18.1-4_i386.deb
libmyth-0.18.1-dev_0.18.1-4_i386.deb
mythnews_0.18.1-2_i386.deb
mythtv-themes_0.18-1_all.deb
libmyth-0.18.1_0.18.1-4_i386.deb
mythplugins_0.18.1-2_all.deb
mythtv_0.18.1-4_all.deb
modutils_2.4.27.0-3_i386.deb
mythtv-backend_0.18.1-4_i386.deb
mythvideo_0.18.1-2_i386.deb
mplayer_1.0cvs_i386.deb
mythtv-common_0.18.1-4_all.deb
mythweather_0.18.1-2_i386.deb
mythbrowser_0.18.1-2_i386.deb
mythtv-database_0.18.1-4_all.deb
mythweb_0.18.1-2_all.deb
mythdvd_0.18.1-2_i386.deb
mythtv-debug_0.18.1-4_i386.deb
mythgallery_0.18.1-2_all.deb
mythtv-doc_0.18.1-4_all.deb

- Ben
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Re: [mythtv-users] Gigabyte video card

[Matt Mossholder]

    I've run into this one before... the problem with your FX5200 may be that the TV expects HDCP to be supported by the video card. My Panasonic is that way... I just get black screens on a FX5200 while DVI out of the cablebox works fine.

 If so, you need to go pick up a 6000 series or 7000 series NVIDIA card, which have HDCP support in the chipset.


    --Matt


On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 14:09 -0500, Steve Adeff wrote:


On Monday 28 November 2005 23:53, Len Reed wrote:
> Steve Adeff wrote:
> > card should work fine. Looks similar to NVIDIA's reference design.
> > 1080i over DVI to an HDTV is hit or miss though.
>
> Hit or miss due to weird mismatch between card and HDTV, or do you just
> mean that some HDTVs don't support 1080i into DVI/HMDI but only into
> component video?

weird mismatch. My DCT6200 outputs 1080i to my TV's HDMI port perfectly, but I 
can't for the life of me get my FX5200 with interlaced output support to 
work. Go figure, cheap HDTV...

> I'm about to buy a Sony KDS-R60XBR1.  The spec sheet says it supports
> 1080i on component and on HDMI.  Is there any reason to think that an
> nVIDIA 6200 PCI-E card over a DVI-to-HDMI cable won't produce excellent
> results?  I'm talking about way too much money for anything short of
> excellent.

With a Sony I'd think it would work, but do a search to see if anyone else has 
any experience with it.

Steve
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Re: [mythtv-users] How big is your database?

[W.Kenworthy]

Use LVM.  

You can grow/shrink partitions as needed. Just check that the filesystem
used is able to do the same (I use reiserfs with no problems).  Also
allows the almost transparent addition of more hard disks if needed.  I
will soon be adding around 300G to the mythtv partition (currently part
of the 80G multiple partitioned single disk) and I expect it to take
only a few minutes (after i read up on it as its been a few months since
my last add!) with I hope, only a few minutes of downtime.

One of the IT specific corollaries to Murphy's Law states that no matter
what size you make a disk partition today, it will be wrong tomorrow -
at least with LVM its not a terminal condition.

BillK

On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 23:26 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm about to repartition, leaving everything except recordings in an
> ext3fs partition, and putting all recordings into JFS.  But I'd rather
> not discover that I've made the ext3 too small, and I'd rather not
> waste gigs making it too big.
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[mythtv-users] How big is your database?

[f-myth-users]

Perfect; that's fairly slow growth.  Thanks!
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Re: [mythtv-users] mythplugins ---> correct install directory

[Ben]

Kevin Kuphal wrote:

Depends on your installation.  If your installation is configured for 
/usr/local as the prefix, then /usr/local/lib is correct.  If it is 
configured for /usr then /usr/lib is correct.

Kevin


Kevin,
 Everything else myth seems to go to /usr/local on my Debian 
system.  Half of the plugins go to /usr/lib/myth/plugins and the other 
half to /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins (these show up in myth).  Indeed, 
if I symlink to the plugins in /lib/mythtv/plugins/ then they show up 
under myth.  I suspect that the make files have had the leading 
/usr/local omitted for the install_root variable.  Does this sound correct?


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Re: [mythtv-users] How big is your database?

[Greg Estabrooks]

> guessing that deleting a recording will correctly flush everything
> else associated with it (cutlist, mythcomflagging, etc), but does the
 
 Yes,  those get removed.

> DB keep any records of -everything- I've ever recorded, and will those

 Yes, an entry goes into oldrecorded with information about the show.
So this will grow "forever" but the per show data is pretty miniscule.

> And if I do mysqldump, is that likely to be enormous?  (I'm guessing

 My SQL data of a myth database that has been running for ~2.5 years
is around 120Meg for the binary data files, 108Meg for the SQL dump, and 
the SQL dump is 12Meg gzipped.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Uncool surprise... coming back from vacation, shows not recorded.

[Jeff Simpson]

On 11/30/05, Steve Malenfant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Just came back from vacation and I found out that all my recording failed...Few problems that would be nice to be resolved :1 - Don't record or mark the recording as bad when you can't open thecapture device (dvb here...)

That would be nice if it knew that it failed...or if it fails, maybe even try a second time.
I'd say have it try to fix itself, but it's anyones guess what is wrong. I can usually fix mine by
killing the X-out on the 350, removing all the modules, and reloading them all (restarting the backend
and frontend)
2 - I'm pretty the episode will not record again and will be marked asduplicate the next time they appear in the schedule.

To correct this, you'd have to manually delete the show from the "previously recorded" list. It's somewhere
in the frontend.
3 - The web interface tries to open the file on disk multiple times tomake the thumbnail (slow process), is there a need for that?

I find that really irritating, too. It's worse in the frontend...you can't even scroll past the
dead videos, since each time you select one it has to spin for awhile on the thumbnail failure.
It takes forever to "delete" 5 bad recordings, because of how long it takes to not thumbnail.

I bet it would be a quick hack to have it look for filesize before looking for a thumbnail. All my bad
recordings are 0-length, so there  would obviously be no way to thumbnail.
4 - DVB signal info in the backend status page, is this a non-working feature?
5 - Could an e-mail be sent when something isn't right about thecapture card, a good example would be "2005-11-24 14:49:49.398 DVB#1ERROR - Opening DVB frontend device failed. (2) No such file ordirectory"

log emailing is probably best done outside myth. It's probably difficult to determine when there is
an explicit failure, but you can have it send all logs for a day to an email pretty easily, I bet.
What happened here was my fault really...  I updated with yum beforeleaving and I a new kernel installed, disabling my 2 DVB cards.

yeah, that would do it :-P

 - Jeff
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[mythtv-users] How big is your database?

[f-myth-users]

I'm about to repartition, leaving everything except recordings in an
ext3fs partition, and putting all recordings into JFS.  But I'd rather
not discover that I've made the ext3 too small, and I'd rather not
waste gigs making it too big.

The only thing I have no idea about is whether the mysql database
tends to grow monotonically or not, and how large it typically gets.

Can somebody give me an idea of how large a database typically is
after Myth has been used a long while, or how fast it grows?  I'm
guessing that deleting a recording will correctly flush everything
else associated with it (cutlist, mythcomflagging, etc), but does the
DB keep any records of -everything- I've ever recorded, and will those
be likely to expand to large proportions?  (Basically, does the DB
bloat/leak as time goes on...)

And if I do mysqldump, is that likely to be enormous?  (I'm guessing
that it won't be if I pipe the result through gzip before putting it
anywhere, but I don't have a big-enough DB yet to really know.)

(If the answer is, "up for years and under a gig", I won't worry about
it; I need at least a gig or two of slopspace just to make upgrades
easier, etc.  But if the answer is "a gig a year" or whatever, I'll
worry.  I'm having a hard time discovering this via websearching.)

My other alternative is to put the DB in the JFS, but I'd rather keep
it separate so I can relatively easily nuke that partition without
worrying about the DB---especially since XFS/JFS are clumsy to resize
(especially to shrink).

Thanks!
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[mythtv-users] IVTV 4 and svn won't install.

[Scott Fones]

I'd posted this to the ivtv lists earlier today, but havent' gotten a single thing from that list all day (my mail or anybody else's).  
 
I've been trying to get IVTV to install and can't find what I'm doingwrong.  I have a fresh gentoo stage 3 amd64 system.  Heres the output fromtrying to install the svn.hanzo trunk # makemake -C driver all
make[1]: Entering directory `/root/trunk/driver'created ivtv-svnversion.hmake -C /lib/modules/2.6.14-mm2/build M=/root/trunk/driver modulesmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.14-mm2' CC [M]  /root/trunk/driver/ivtv-
osd.o CC [M]  /root/trunk/driver/ivtv-queue.o CC [M]  /root/trunk/driver/ivtv-driver.o/root/trunk/driver/ivtv-driver.c: In function `ivtv_process_eeprom':/root/trunk/driver/ivtv-driver.c:512: error: structure has no member
named `tuner_hauppauge_model'/root/trunk/driver/ivtv-driver.c: In function `ivtv_probe':/root/trunk/driver/ivtv-driver.c:1067: error: `TUNER_PANASONIC_VP27'undeclared (first use in this function)/root/trunk/driver/ivtv-
driver.c:1067: error: (Each undeclaredidentifier is reported only once/root/trunk/driver/ivtv-driver.c:1067: error: for each function it appears in.)make[3]: *** [/root/trunk/driver/ivtv-driver.o] Error 1make[2]: *** [_module_/root/trunk/driver] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.14-mm2'make[1]: *** [all] Error 2make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/trunk/driver'make: *** [all] Error 2And from trying to emerge the version 4
>>> emerge (1 of 1) media-tv/ivtv-0.4.0-r2 to />>> md5 files   ;-) ivtv-0.4.0-r2.ebuild>>> md5 files   ;-) ivtv-0.2.0_rc3-r5.ebuild>>> md5 files   ;-) files/digest-ivtv-0.4.0-r2
>>> md5 files   ;-) files/ivtv>>> md5 files   ;-) files/digest-ivtv-0.2.0_rc3-r5>>> md5 files   ;-) files/ivtv-0.4.0-ppc-odw.patch>>> md5 src_uri ;-) ivtv-0.4.0.tar.gz
>>> md5 src_uri ;-) pvr_2.0.24.23035.zip>>> md5 src_uri ;-) pvr_1.18.21.22254_inf.zip * Determining the location of the kernel source code * Found kernel source directory: *     /usr/src/linux
 * Found sources for kernel version: *     2.6.14-mm2 * Checking for suitable kernel configuration options:>>> Unpacking source...>>> Unpacking ivtv-0.4.0.tar.gz to /var/tmp/portage/ivtv-
0.4.0-r2/work>>> Unpacking pvr_2.0.24.23035.zip to /var/tmp/portage/ivtv-0.4.0-r2/work>>> Source unpacked. * Preparing ivtv modulecreated ivtv-svnversion.hmake CONFIG_VIDEO_IVTV=m -C /usr/src/linux
M=/var/tmp/portage/ivtv-0.4.0-r2/work/ivtv-0.4.0/driver modulesmake[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.14-mm2' CC [M]  /var/tmp/portage/ivtv-0.4.0-r2/work/ivtv-0.4.0/driver/msp3400.o CC [M]  /var/tmp/portage/ivtv-
0.4.0-r2/work/ivtv-0.4.0/driver/saa7115.oIn file included from/var/tmp/portage/ivtv-0.4.0-r2/work/ivtv-0.4.0/driver/compat.h:77,                from/var/tmp/portage/ivtv-0.4.0-r2/work/ivtv-0.4.0/driver/msp3400.c:52:
include/linux/videodev.h: In function `video_device_create_file':include/linux/videodev.h:21: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete typeinclude/linux/videodev.h: In function `video_device_remove_file':
include/linux/videodev.h:27: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete typeIn file included from/var/tmp/portage/ivtv-0.4.0-r2/work/ivtv-0.4.0/driver/compat.h:77,                from/var/tmp/portage/ivtv-
0.4.0-r2/work/ivtv-0.4.0/driver/msp3400.c:52:include/linux/videodev.h:30:5: warning: "OBSOLETE_OWNER" is not definedinclude/linux/videodev.h: At top level:include/linux/videodev.h:204: error: `VIDEO_MAX_FRAME' undeclared here
(not in a function)In file included from/var/tmp/portage/ivtv-0.4.0-r2/work/ivtv-0.4.0/driver/compat.h:77,                from/var/tmp/portage/ivtv-0.4.0-r2/work/ivtv-0.4.0/driver/saa7115.c:56:
include/linux/videodev.h: In function `video_device_create_file':include/linux/videodev.h:21: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete typeinclude/linux/videodev.h: In function `video_device_remove_file':
include/linux/videodev.h:27: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete typeIn file included from/var/tmp/portage/ivtv-0.4.0-r2/work/ivtv-0.4.0/driver/compat.h:77,                from/var/tmp/portage/ivtv-
0.4.0-r2/work/ivtv-0.4.0/driver/saa7115.c:56:include/linux/videodev.h:30:5: warning: "OBSOLETE_OWNER" is not definedinclude/linux/videodev.h: At top level:include/linux/videodev.h:204: error: `VIDEO_MAX_FRAME' undeclared here
(not in a function)make[2]: *** [/var/tmp/portage/ivtv-0.4.0-r2/work/ivtv-0.4.0/driver/saa7115.o]Error 1make[2]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobsmake[2]: *** [/var/tmp/portage/ivtv-0.4.0-r2/work/ivtv-
0.4.0/driver/msp3400.o]Error 1make[1]: *** [_module_/var/tmp/portage/ivtv-0.4.0-r2/work/ivtv-0.4.0/driver]Error 2make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.14-mm2'make: *** [all] Error 2Inside the kernel, I incorporated I2C, bitbanging interfaces, my
nforce i2c option, hotplugging,  v4l top level option and theframebuffer top level option.Any help would be greatly appreciated; sorry for all the output,didn't know what to exclude. 
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[mythtv-users] Uncool surprise... coming back from vacation, shows not recorded.

[Steve Malenfant]

Just came back from vacation and I found out that all my recording failed...

Few problems that would be nice to be resolved :
1 - Don't record or mark the recording as bad when you can't open the
capture device (dvb here...)
2 - I'm pretty the episode will not record again and will be marked as
duplicate the next time they appear in the schedule.
3 - The web interface tries to open the file on disk multiple times to
make the thumbnail (slow process), is there a need for that?
4 - DVB signal info in the backend status page, is this a non-working feature?
5 - Could an e-mail be sent when something isn't right about the
capture card, a good example would be "2005-11-24 14:49:49.398 DVB#1
ERROR - Opening DVB frontend device failed. (2) No such file or
directory"

What happened here was my fault really...  I updated with yum before
leaving and I a new kernel installed, disabling my 2 DVB cards.

It worked so great for 1+ years now, sucks when this happens...

Thanks for listening.

Steve M.
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Re: [mythtv-users] mythplugins ---> correct install directory

[Kevin Kuphal]

Ben wrote:


Hello,
I'm trying to install the latest svn mythplugins.  I'm getting 
some plugins installed in /lib/mythtv/plugins/.  However they then 
don't show up in mythfrontend.  Can someone please confirm the correct 
directory for ALL plugins is /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/.


Depends on your installation.  If your installation is configured for 
/usr/local as the prefix, then /usr/local/lib is correct.  If it is 
configured for /usr then /usr/lib is correct. 


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Re: [mythtv-users] Moving TV shows

[Josh Burks]

On 11/30/05, Michael Tiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  P.S. - Is there a way to get the "normal" MythTV player to run a video.  I
> know you can put a custom command in, but what would that command be?!?

Internal (note the uppercase I)

Josh
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Re: [mythtv-users] Monitor Opinion

[William Powers]

It's a very highly rated monitor.  See 
http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2400.  I tried to get 
one yesterday for $334, but the $100 coupon code had already run out.  I 
guess I'll just keep an eye out for the next deal.


Chris Ribe wrote:


Call me paranoid,  but that deal is too good to be true.

Questions I would want answered before buying :

-  Is mythtv going to have a problem with the weird resolution?

-  How well do the internal scaler and component input work together 
given the weird resolution?


-  What is the response time really like?   I've never met an LCD TV 
whose picture impressed me.  Of course, the pricetag on that one could 
make up for a lot of shortcomings.  

On 11/29/05, *Mike Robinson* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 > wrote:


I'm in the process of putting together a Myth system.  I've got the
hardware for the combined BE/FE box picked out, but now I'm
looking at
monitors.  This will be a smaller monitor for a bedroom.  I was
wondering if I should have any concerns about using this monitor:


http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?sku=20053YR&c=us&cat=snp&category_id=6198&cs=04&l=en&mnf=694&Page=productlisting.aspx



It has a resolution of 1680x1050 (16:10 aspect ratio).  I'll be
recording OTA with two HD3000 cards.  My graphics card will be an
FX5200:

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814125191

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!

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[mythtv-users] mythplugins ---> correct install directory

[Ben]

Hello,
I'm trying to install the latest svn mythplugins.  I'm getting 
some plugins installed in /lib/mythtv/plugins/.  However they then don't 
show up in mythfrontend.  Can someone please confirm the correct 
directory for ALL plugins is /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/.


Regards

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Re: [mythtv-users] Are there any xbox mythtv distros still beingsupported?

[Ben Dash]

The only variable is the name of the myth backend that
the xbox should connect to.  Perhaps something could
be written which would send out a UDP request for all
known backends and then the user could select which
one to use from a list if there is more than one.

--- Norm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> William wrote:
> 
> >>I use Xebian.  There are debian packages available
> for the 
> >>latest stable release.  If you want to go with
> bleeding edge 
> >>(and unstable!) svn versions then you will have to
> compile.
> >>
> >>Norm
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I thought I tried that. What is the package manager
> with Xebian? apt-get?
> >  
> >
> Yes, apt-get -- it's fairly simple and handles the
> dependencies well 
> enough.  Maybe though its time someone (am I
> volunteering???) to make a 
> bootable Xbox distro with Myth built-in.  It might
> be a fun little project.
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Re: [mythtv-users] Monitor Opinion

[Chris Ribe]

Call me paranoid,  but that deal is too good to be true.

Questions I would want answered before buying :

-  Is mythtv going to have a problem with the weird resolution? 

-  How well do the internal scaler and component input work together given the weird resolution?

-  What is the response time really like?   I've never
met an LCD TV whose picture impressed me.  Of course, the pricetag
on that one could make up for a lot of shortcomings.   On 11/29/05, Mike Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:I'm in the process of putting together a Myth system.  I've got thehardware for the combined BE/FE box picked out, but now I'm looking at
monitors.  This will be a smaller monitor for a bedroom.  I waswondering if I should have any concerns about using this monitor:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?sku=20053YR&c=us&cat=snp&category_id=6198&cs=04&l=en&mnf=694&Page=productlisting.aspxIt has a resolution of 1680x1050 (16:10 aspect ratio).  I'll be
recording OTA with two HD3000 cards.  My graphics card will be an FX5200:http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814125191
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[mythtv-users] Moving TV shows

[Michael Tiller]

I've recorded several movies.  I thought I would move the .nuv
(and rename to .mpg) files to my videos directory, rename them, look up
there IMDB info and just store them as videos.  Is there any
downside or barrier to doing this?

P.S. - Is there a way to get the "normal" MythTV player to run a
video.  I know you can put a custom command in, but what would
that command be?!?

--
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Re: [mythtv-users] Dish Network and MythTV

[Chris Ribe]

> Etc.:  Current hardware can't decode MPEG4 signals, but the vast
> majority of current hardware can't decode MPEG2 HD either.  The SD ->> HD changeover (which is well under way, despite the caterwauling by> some Cassandras on this list) presents a one time opportunity for the
> sat. companies to upgrade their tech simultaneously.Specifically, current TV's can't decode MPEG-4 and most current TV'scan't decode MPEG-2 
Thank you for attempting to specify what i was talking about, but when
I said "hardware" I was talking about DVB settop boxes.  

This could probably have been inferred from the fact that the entire thread is about Dish Network and Myth.
 (although all HDTV's--those with ATSC tuners, asopposed to HD-Ready TV's, which need a separate tuner--can decode
MPEG-2).  However, all DISH and DirecTV receivers can decode MPEG-2, asthat's the format the satellite companies are using to transmit thevideo (both standard- and high-definition channels).


Lest my point be unnecessarily muddled, I should restate my point (an
entirely unimportant one. mind you) - The vast majority of current DVB
recievers cannot decode high definition MPEG2 signals. 




 

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Re: [mythtv-users] Gentoo n00b needing advice!

[stephen]

Yup - that's what I'm running.  Now if I can only figure out how to
get it to auto-login and startx automatically.


I'm using evilwm for a window manager on gentoo, and used some info from 
this site to get the autologin working:


http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue72/chung.html

There's probably an easier way, but this worked great for me.

This is the relevant portion of my /etc/inittab:

c1:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty -n -l /usr/local/sbin/mythlogin 38400 tty1 
linux


And just for reference, here is my .xinitrc and .xsession (both have the 
same content):


===

# Merge X resources from ~/.Xdefaults
[ -f $HOME/.Xdefaults ] && xrdb $HOME/.Xdefaults

# Set the background and root cursor shape
xsetroot -solid \#400040
xsetroot -cursor_name top_left_arrow

# Start evilwm - snap to borders within 10 pixels
/usr/bin/evilwm -snap 6 -bw 0 &

/usr/X11R6/bin/xset s noblank &
/usr/X11R6/bin/xset s off &
/usr/X11R6/bin/xset dpms off &

exec mythfrontend

===

And my .bash_profile (to automatically start X):

===

# /etc/skel/.bash_profile

# This file is sourced by bash for login shells.  The following line
# runs your .bashrc and is recommended by the bash info pages.
[[ -f ~/.bashrc ]] && . ~/.bashrc

if [ $(tty) == /dev/tty1 ]; then
startx -- -dpi 100 # larger fonts for viewing on the tv
fi

===

Hope it helps,
Stephen

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Re: [mythtv-users] Dish Network and MythTV

[Michael T. Dean]

On 11/30/05 20:11, Chris Ribe wrote:

I don't know much about dish and myth, but I think I can answer your 
MPEG4 questions.


Note, that the MPEG-4 in question is actually MPEG-4 AVC (Advanced Video 
Coding), a.k.a. H.264.  This is the same format that is required by both 
HD-DVD and BluRay players* and allows you to easily encode video using 
1/2 the bitrate required for MPEG-2 with similar picture quality.


*BluRay is a standard promoted by Sony and it requires, among other 
formats, H.264 support.  Sony has been pushing the idea of H.264 on 
BluRay as the format that allows the most content per disc (more than 
any other CODEC on BluRay and more even than H.264 on HD-DVD).  Although 
in a true "biting the other hand that feeds it" moment, Sony Pictures 
just announced they're going to put MPEG-2--the same CODEC used for 
standard def DVD's and ATSC--on BluRay disks.  :)  
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000293070178/



When:  Sometime in the next 12 months.


Rationale:  Better compression is need to fit hundreds of HD channels 
in currently available bandwidth.  MPEG4 playback hardware is cheap 
enough to satisfy the bean counters. 


Specifically, dedicated MPEG-4 playback hardware is cheap.  However, 
using general-purpose processors (i.e. Intel/AMD) for decoding requires 
not-so-cheap hardware (you can't buy an x86-based processor that can 
decode 1080i H.264, so top-of-the-line will get you closest and 
top-of-the-line is around $1000/CPU).


Etc.:  Current hardware can't decode MPEG4 signals, but the vast 
majority of current hardware can't decode MPEG2 HD either.  The SD -> 
HD changeover (which is well under way, despite the caterwauling by 
some Cassandras on this list) presents a one time opportunity for the 
sat. companies to upgrade their tech simultaneously.


Specifically, current TV's can't decode MPEG-4 and most current TV's 
can't decode MPEG-2 (although all HDTV's--those with ATSC tuners, as 
opposed to HD-Ready TV's, which need a separate tuner--can decode 
MPEG-2).  However, all DISH and DirecTV receivers can decode MPEG-2, as 
that's the format the satellite companies are using to transmit the 
video (both standard- and high-definition channels).


So, in summary, when DISH/DirecTV go to MPEG-4, you won't be any closer 
to getting HDTV over satellite because it will still require a satellite 
receiver for decrypting their stream and the satellite receiver will 
output decoded video, which we're still a long way from being able to 
encode in real-time at HDTV resolutions (even using MPEG-2 format, which 
is significantly easier to encode than H.264).


Mike
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RE: [mythtv-users] Are there any xbox mythtv distros still beingsupported?

[William]

> I just got done installing mythtv on the xbox using the 
> xebian distro.  Hopefully, this will help you:
> 
http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Xebian_HOWTO

Also take a look at the reference links at the bottom.


That distro fails when it cannot find any files at 

deb http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv

I have not been able to access this repo since 2 weeks ago.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Dish Network and MythTV

[Michael T. Dean]

On 11/30/05 17:29, William wrote:

I am thinking about switching from cable to satellite and I 
have a few 
questions.  For specific reasons, I am interested in Dish 
Network only.  
Is there a tuner card that will allow me to use MythTV with 
Dish Network 
(preferred) or do I have to use the infrared port?  If the latter, is 
there a more reliable serial port?
   


Pretty much the only reliable way to change channels with dish is with a
commercial ir blaster. With 2 of the myblaster devices and 2 receivers I
have have not noticed any instances of it missing a channel change in about
3 years of use.

My success story (2 years reliable operation) is with a homebrew LIRC 
"improved transmitter."  ( http://lirc.org/improved_transmitter.html )


Mike
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Re: [mythtv-users] Blank Recordings - please confirm

[Chris K]

When we left our saga, I had promised to check out raising the priority 
of Tuner0 over that of S-Video0 to see if that resolved the issue, and 
report back.  The answer is: "It does!"


What I >suspect< happens is that, just as the backend selects a 
/dev/videoN (i.e. capture card) from a number of /dev/videoNs of equal 
priority based on their order in the list of tuners (okay, not really, 
but bear with me for the sake of a brief explanation), it selects an 
input from all of the active inputs on a given /dev/videoN based on 
their order in the list of inputs presented in mythtvsetup.


If you have both S-Video0 and Tuner0 configured and operational, it will 
record from S-Video0 because it appears first in the list.  However the 
"Input Preference" (actually, as someone else commented, "priority" 
would be a better term) overrides this, and the input with the higher 
priority takes precedence for recording (again, just as the /dev/videoN 
whose input has a higher preference is selected).


SO it appears that, if you want or need to have multiple inputs 
connected and configured on a single capture card, you can select one of 
the inputs for off-air recordings by raising its preference over other 
inputs on that capture card.


Again, this is all suspicion, as I haven't yet delved into the code, but 
based on my tests this evening, it seems to work.


Chris K.


David Watkins had the sense to say...


Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:38:52 +
From: David Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Blank Recordings - please confirm
To: Discussion about mythtv 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I think your problem might be having the guide data on the SVideo
input.  Myth is going to think that it can use that channel for
recording (maybe the blank recordings are from the VCR while it was
turned off?).

If you only want to capture from VCR then you're better off with no
guide data and using manual recording.

If you want to use your VCR as a tuner then I think you'll need a
channel change script.  Even if you intend to set the VCR channel
manually I believe that a 'dummy' script that does nothing, but
returns successfully, is needed to convince myth that it has selected
the correct VCR channel.

As you say, you'll also need a way to disable recording on the SVideo
input when you haven't got the VCR turned on and tuned, and I don't
know how to do that, but increasing the priority of the tuner over the
S-Video should help.



On 30/11/05, CHRIS KOTTING <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm having an issue with blank recordings, and I wanted to confirm what I'm
finding by searching the archive (because I'm hoping that there is a
different answer available).

I have two inputs to a PVR-150 card connected, Tuner0 goes to my cable (no
cable box) and the S-Video input comes from our VCR.  Both are configured in
mythtvsetup, each with its own channel line-up.  The connection to the VCR
is primarily for pulling our home videos into Myth, but I was hoping to be
able to use the VCR as a second tuner, and be able to switch between two
channels by using "C" to change inputs.  (Yes, I know this would play hob
with the ringbuffer, so maybe it's a silly idea.)

Anyway, since I set up the S-video input, scheduled recordings have all been
blank.  The files are there, and I didn't see any problems in the logfiles
when I looked at them.  (Can't append them right now, as I'm nowhere near
the machine, and have no way of ssh-ing to it.)

Is it (still) true that you cannot have two different inputs configured in
mythtvsetup and record reliably?  I was wondering if this could be gotten
around by raising the priority of Tuner0.
 



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Re: [mythtv-users] Dish Network and MythTV

[Chris Ribe]

I don't know much about dish and myth, but I think I can answer your MPEG4 questions.

When:  Sometime in the next 12 months.

Rationale:  Better compression is need to fit hundreds of HD
channels in currently available bandwidth.  MPEG4 playback
hardware is cheap enough to satisfy the bean counters.  
Etc.:  Current hardware can't decode MPEG4 signals, but the vast
majority of current hardware can't decode MPEG2 HD either.  The SD
-> HD changeover (which is well under way, despite the caterwauling
by some Cassandras on this list) presents a one time opportunity for
the sat. companies to upgrade their tech simultaneously.

On 11/30/05, Robert La Ferla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Steve Adeff wrote:> As well, you won't get any HD channels with the PC tuner cards and when they> do the switch to MPEG4 you won't be able to tune those channels either.>Tell me more about the switch including the timeframe, rationale,
etc...  What current tuner cards will work minus HD/mpeg4?  I have apcHDTV HD3000 card but so far it's just being used for analog cablew/tvtime.  I can't get audio out of it without having to use a cable so
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Re: AW: AW: [mythtv-users] mythweb-svn problem

[Chris Petersen]

I seem to have an index.html also and I sure as hell didn't create it
myself. This is straight from the svn...


Yeah, my bad.  forgot that I had committed that.

-Chris
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Re: [mythtv-users] Gentoo n00b needing advice!

[Michael Cowell]

Phil Bridges wrote:

  On 11/30/05, Michael Cowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
  
Steve wrote:


  May I point you over to, drum roll please.!
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV

Just follow this guide completely and you'll have a completely perfect
system, bloat-free and all. I noticed you said you have KDE and I'll
let you in on a little secret (well its not really a secret) KDE is
way huge and bloated and way more than you'll ever need to run MythTV.
At most all you need is fluxbox or evilwm. Read the guide. Trust me.
  

You can even get by with ratpoison, which has a *very* small memory
footprint.

  
  
Yup - that's what I'm running.  Now if I can only figure out how to
get it to auto-login and startx automatically.

I'm running gentoo and I have this in my /etc/conf.d/local.start:

# /etc/conf.d/local.start

# This is a good place to load any misc programs
# on startup ( use 1>&2 to hide output)

# Start myth in a loop
(while [ /bin/true ] ; do chown mythtv
/var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log; sudo -H -u mythtv startx
&>/var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log; done) &


And this in /home/mythtv/.xinitrc:

/usr/X11R6/bin/xset s off
/usr/X11R6/bin/xset s noblank
/usr/X11R6/bin/xset -dpms
sleep 2
nvidia-settings --load-config-only
ratpoison &
/usr/bin/mythfrontend

Starts mythfrontend at boot, and restarts it whenever it quits. Works
well.

Michael


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Re: [mythtv-users] Gentoo n00b needing advice!

[Phil Bridges]

On 11/30/05, Michael Cowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Steve wrote:
> > May I point you over to, drum roll please.!
> > http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV
> >
> > Just follow this guide completely and you'll have a completely perfect
> > system, bloat-free and all. I noticed you said you have KDE and I'll
> > let you in on a little secret (well its not really a secret) KDE is
> > way huge and bloated and way more than you'll ever need to run MythTV.
> > At most all you need is fluxbox or evilwm. Read the guide. Trust me.
> You can even get by with ratpoison, which has a *very* small memory
> footprint.

Yup - that's what I'm running.  Now if I can only figure out how to
get it to auto-login and startx automatically.
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Re: [mythtv-users] Dish Network and MythTV

[Robert La Ferla]

Steve Adeff wrote:
As well, you won't get any HD channels with the PC tuner cards and when they 
do the switch to MPEG4 you won't be able to tune those channels either.
  
Tell me more about the switch including the timeframe, rationale, 
etc...  What current tuner cards will work minus HD/mpeg4?  I have a 
pcHDTV HD3000 card but so far it's just being used for analog cable 
w/tvtime.  I can't get audio out of it without having to use a cable so 
it's pretty crummy.


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Re: [mythtv-users] Dish Network and MythTV

[Robert La Ferla]

Chris Trown wrote:
 How big is your TV?  I ask because some channels, like BBC 
America, have pretty bad compression going on.  The bigger the TV 
screen the more apparent it is.



It's a DLP projector and the screen is approx. 10ft diagonal.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Dish Network and MythTV

[Chris Trown]

Robert La Ferla wrote:

Jeff Simpson wrote:



It's not what you're looking to hear, but every other satellite and 
cable provider
has better methods for interfacing with myth and/or tivo. I had no 
problems at

all interfacing with serial to DirecTV and Comcast boxes.



But DirecTV doesn't offer TV Japan and the quality of Comcast Digital 
cable (last time I used it) was terrible so that's why I need and want 
Dish Network.




 How big is your TV?  I ask because some channels, like BBC 
America, have pretty bad compression going on.  The bigger the TV screen 
the more apparent it is.


 For me, the PQ for locals is bad.  It's quite apparent if you 
watch The Simpsons OTA vs. Dish.  The colors are all washed out.  For my 
parents, in the Bay Area, PQ is much better.


 I'm with Dish because to get the channels I want would cost me at 
least an extra $20/mo. over Comcast.


 If you want foreign language channels, your best bet is Dish 
Network.  They have the best lineup.


Chris...

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Re: [mythtv-users] Gentoo n00b needing advice!

[Michael Cowell]

Steve wrote:
> May I point you over to, drum roll please.!
> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV
>  
> Just follow this guide completely and you'll have a completely perfect
> system, bloat-free and all. I noticed you said you have KDE and I'll
> let you in on a little secret (well its not really a secret) KDE is
> way huge and bloated and way more than you'll ever need to run MythTV.
> At most all you need is fluxbox or evilwm. Read the guide. Trust me.
You can even get by with ratpoison, which has a *very* small memory
footprint.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Xbox Lirc not working on new install

[Mlists]

On Wed, 2005-30-11 at 18:15 -0500, Norm wrote:
> John Andersen wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > On 11/30/05, *Mlists* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > Had to re-install my config so decided to compile myth rather then
> > install the debs so that I could use a newer svn version to match my
> > back-end.
> >
> > Lirc is installed.  Running irw shows that I'm getting keys but
> > for some
> > reason the keys aren't working in Mythtv.  Any suggestions what
> > could be
> > going on here?  Did I need to compile in some sort of support for
> > this?
> >
> >
> >  What about your lircrc file (or your .lircrc)  Is it properly 
> > configured and in the correct place?
> >
> Copied the lircrc that I was using before the re-install.  I 
> double-checked my configure options and realized I was missing a library 
> for lirc so it was turning the option off before compiling.  I've made 
> the appropriate changes now and am re-compiling... stay tuned.
> 
Update -- recompiling did the trick.  The library was liblirc

Norm

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Re: [mythtv-users] Help with new Kernel

[Jonathan Tidmore]

I'm assuming you didn't remove your older kernel or kernel modules.  The easiest way to go back is to edit /boot/grub/grub.conf and change the default= parameter to your older kernel.  0 is the first kernel listed in grub.conf
, 1 is the 2nd, etc.  So if your grub.conf looks like the following:default=1timeout=5splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gzhiddenmenutitle Fedora Core (2.6.14-1.1644_FC4)    root (hd0,0)
    kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.14-1.1644_FC4 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet    initrd /initrd-2.6.14-1.1644_FC4.imgtitle Fedora Core (2.6.14-1.1637_FC4)    root (hd0,0)    kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.14-1.1637_FC4
 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet    initrd /initrd-2.6.14-1.1637_FC4.imgThen kernel 1637 will boot by default.You should be very careful about updating to new kernels.  I try to wait 3-4 weeks after a new kernel is released before upgrading so ATRPMs can catch up and release new kernel modules for the latest kernel.  Also, new kernels also mean new trouble.  There have been infamous kernel version that destroyed ide drives and or damaged CPU.  The latest is not really the greatest in Linux, the almost latest is the greatest ;).
On 11/30/05, Kirk Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:










Hi,

    I am following jarod's how-to for installing mythtv onto FC4.  I set everything up a couple of week ago and all was fine but I think FC4 has bumped the kernel version and I can't seem to get the kernel modules.  I'm not new to Unix but I am new to Linux so I'm a little lost.  


    I installed the OS and did the: yum upgrade  (so far so good).  It upgraded the system and installed the 2.6.14-1.1644-FC4 kernel.  Not I'm list because Axel doesn't seem to have the kernel modules for lirc, nvidia, ivtv (I need the development ones as I have a PVR-150) yet.


    Should I wait or go back to an older kernel?  How to I go back to an older kernel?  I don't mind reinstalling from scratch as this is a new box that I'm setting up but if I do then how to I specify what kernel to upgrade things to.


    Thanks


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Re: [mythtv-users] How to tell a tuner not to record a specific channel ?

[Mudit Wahal]

I did create two different lineups. The channels shows up twice in the
mythweb program listing. But the already scheduled programs in the
same time slot start to have conflict, even though I dont see any when
I look at the times.

If I change the second tuner back to the original lineup, i.e. both
tuners share the same lineup, the conflicts go away.

Thanks
Mudit

On 11/28/05, Kevin Kuphal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mudit Wahal wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >I've two HDTV tuners in my mythbox (version 0.18) recording OTA HDTV.
> >One is HD3000 and other is Fusion HDTV Lite. I've a RG6 cable
> >connected to the antenna, and a splitter at the other end. The
> >splitter feeds these two cards. I've setup OTA US ATSC Broadcast in my
> >zap2it  subscription for both cards.
> >
> >The HD3000 is very good in picking up all the channels. The Fusion
> >Lite has problem in picking up WB20, but it picks up everything else.
> >HD3000 is encoder 1 and Fusion is encoder 2 as per the setup.
> >
> >What I really want is that duing the scheduling, Fusion card shouldn't
> >even know about WB20 channel. All WB20 recordings should be done only
> >by encoder 1 (HD3000). I'd like to delete channel 20-1 from the Fusion
> >channel list but keep it in the HD3000 list. I didn't see any option
> >for deleting channels based on the encoders etc.
> >
> >Is there anyway to accomplish it ?
> >
> >
> Set up two lineups at zap2it, one for each card.  Remove the problem
> channel from lineup for the card that doesn't like it.
>
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Re: [mythtv-users] Gentoo n00b needing advice!

[Steve]

May I point you over to, drum roll please.!http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV
 
Just follow this guide completely and you'll have a completely perfect system, bloat-free and all. I noticed you said you have KDE and I'll let you in on a little secret (well its not really a secret) KDE is way huge and bloated and way more than you'll ever need to run MythTV. At most all you need is fluxbox or evilwm. Read the guide. Trust me.

 
On 11/30/05, Gabriel Schønau Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi all,
My first appearance here! I am a linux newcomer, so bear with me, please! 
J
After totally ditching MCE2005 and XP+MediaPortal, I decided to do linux+mythtv for my HTPC. I started out with trying out knoppmyth and mythdora, but, tbh, they suck and was waaay to bloated for my machine. Therefore, I decided to go down the Gentoo path, making a linux install that was as small and fast as possible without spending too much time, and learning lots of linux at the same time.

OH BOY!
After 40+ hours, I'm on the brink of giving up! I have to be quite conservative and not use anything but a very customized linux, as I'm running on a Duron 800:

mobo: Abit KT7-RAIDcpu: Duron 800RAM: 3*128 MB SDram PC133GFX: ATI Radeon 9250, 128 MB w TV-outTV-card: Hauppage 500MCE

Harddisk: Seagate 7200.8 300 GB ide-Case: Silverstone lc10m w. iMon remote & vfd(display)Netcard1: Linksys WMP54G netcard, wireless

Netcard2: Accton std. 10/100 ethernet card
 
Right now, I'm running KDE 3.4 on Gentoo 2.6.14-r2, and I am recompiling MySql cause it failed to emerge properly, making MythTV install fail miserably! Here's my USE line:

USE="-gtk -gnome X acpi apm apache2 alsa berkdb clamav cdr dedicated dvb dvd dvdr dvdread gd gtk gtk2 innodb joystick kde lirc mp3 mpeg msn mysql mythtv openal opengl perl qt samba sdk server ssl svga truetype usb v4l wifi xine xmms"

 
Don't hesitate and comment on it!
Browsing a few digests of this mailing list and my experiences so far, I have reached the conclusion, that most of my probs relates to having wrong/missing USE variables in my /etc/make.conf

If any of u out there with a sleek running Gentoo/MythTV setup could share their USE-lineup, I'd be MORE than happy for it! Possibly explaining why particular variables are needed!

I'm really trying hard here, but being new to linux sure gives me the steep learning curve galore. Any advice would be much appreciated, as I plan on doing an article for other newbies like myself on a Danish HTPC site!

 
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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Via vt-310dp and c146

[R. Geoffrey Newbury]

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:45:17 -0500, Andrew Plumb wrote:

Hi Geoff,

Unfortunately, in the case of the C146 that riser card won't work; the
riser
card it comes with is actually two board connected by a couple of ribbon
cables.  That's probably how they get it to fit in this particular 1U
case;
it's not the one in the picture:

http://www.travla.com/FAQ/faq-DualRiserCard.html

Thanks for confirming my suspicions.
Andrew

Yes 1U doesn't give a lot of height. You might want to guess whether
the flexible extension might help.

Otherwise, you need about a 2U... pity that. I looked at the Travla 1U
cases before I bought the Silverstone. I liked the look of the
Silverstone.. Never thought much about how the cards would fit into the
Travla.

Geoff

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Re: [mythtv-users] multiple cards question

[R. Geoffrey Newbury]

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:45:31 -0800, WR wrote:


>Ok, so basically, when adding more cards, I just add more of those alias 
>lines, and the rest is automagical(or is it?)

NO!

I don't want to repeat what has been thrashed out on this list already.

I suggest that you surf over to:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/

and read back through the list, looking especially at threads with HD3000
in the title.


>I'm not seeing the 2nd card (HD3000) initializing with ivtv in dmesg, 
>however...

>still must be missing something. Does it work without initializing?

You must add modules to your modprobe.conf for the HD3000 to work.
Which modules, and how they are added depends upon what you want the card
for:

Is it HDTV OTA (digital TV using an antenna) or as a standard NTSC/PAL
tuner.

Different modules, different loading setup.
You have a 2.6.14 kernel so that native kernel has one of the modules.
Depending on whether you want ATSC digital or NTSC you must adjust which
tveeprom module is used by ivtv.. If you want digital, then you must make
ivtv use the kernel'
s tveeprom module.

Drop over to pcHDTV and download the pcHDTV-extras tarball. The README
from that is a good explanation of the use of the various modules. (But
not unfortunately, about how to make them 'play nice'.).

Geoff


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Re: AW: AW: [mythtv-users] mythweb-svn problem

[Steve]

I seem to have an index.html also and I sure as hell didn't create it myself. This is straight from the svn...
On 11/30/05, Chris Petersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Re: [mythtv-users] DVB EPG in MythTV?

[Petr Stehlik]

John Pullan píše v Út 29. 11. 2005 v 09:50 +:
> > This is interesting. It proves that there is EIT data present
> > for the future on that channel on that sat. Now we just have
> > to work out why it isn't being used
> >
> As an aside, have you tried commenting the code out of siparser.cpp at
> line 1553   (ish) ?
> 
> //The following was found to break EIT guide for
> // Kristian Kalweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> if (n.LinkageType == 4)
> {
> PrivateTypes.GuideOnSingleTransport = true;
> PrivateTypes.GuideTransportID = n.LinkageTransportID;
> }
> 
> This may help in certain circumstances.

I have commented it out couple hours ago and let it run. Surprisingly it
started adding *some* EIT information:

2005-12-01 00:14:39.572 EITScanner: Added 54 EIT Events

It added few EPG information to two rather unimportant (shopping)
channels and also to ProSieben (a bit more interesting channel). But
other channels are intact and empty. It's been running for three hours
in a row so I'd say that all information that is transmitted was already
put to the database.

So the commenting the above mentioned code helps me to at add EPG to at
least some channels but it doesn't work generally yet.

Petr


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[mythtv-users] Gentoo n00b needing advice!

[Gabriel Schønau Hansen]

Hi all,

My first appearance here! I am a linux newcomer, so
bear with me, please! J

After totally ditching MCE2005 and XP+MediaPortal, I
decided to do linux+mythtv for my HTPC. I started out with trying out knoppmyth
and mythdora, but, tbh, they suck and was waaay to bloated for my machine. Therefore,
I decided to go down the Gentoo path, making a linux install that was as small
and fast as possible without spending too much time, and learning lots of linux
at the same time.

OH BOY!

After 40+ hours, I’m on the brink of giving up!
I have to be quite conservative and not use anything but a very customized
linux, as I’m running on a Duron 800:

mobo: Abit KT7-RAID
cpu: Duron 800
RAM: 3*128 MB SDram PC133
GFX: ATI Radeon 9250, 128 MB w TV-out
TV-card: Hauppage 500MCE

Harddisk: Seagate 7200.8 300 GB ide-
Case: Silverstone lc10m w. iMon remote & vfd(display)
Netcard1: Linksys WMP54G netcard, wireless

Netcard2: Accton std. 10/100 ethernet card

 

Right now, I’m running KDE 3.4 on Gentoo
2.6.14-r2, and I am recompiling MySql cause it failed to emerge properly,
making MythTV install fail miserably! Here’s my USE line:

USE="-gtk -gnome X acpi apm apache2 alsa berkdb
clamav cdr dedicated dvb dvd dvdr dvdread gd gtk gtk2 innodb joystick kde lirc
mp3 mpeg msn mysql mythtv openal opengl perl qt samba sdk server ssl svga
truetype usb v4l wifi xine xmms"

 

Don’t hesitate and comment on it!

Browsing a few digests of this mailing list and my
experiences so far, I have reached the conclusion, that most of my probs
relates to having wrong/missing USE variables in my /etc/make.conf

If any of u out there with a sleek running
Gentoo/MythTV setup could share their USE-lineup, I’d be MORE than happy
for it! Possibly explaining why particular variables are needed!

I’m really trying hard here, but being new to
linux sure gives me the steep learning curve galore. Any advice would be much appreciated,
as I plan on doing an article for other newbies like myself on a Danish HTPC
site!

 

TIA,

Gabriel S. Hansen






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Re: [mythtv-users] Are there any xbox mythtv distros still being supported?

[Monkey Pet]

I just got done installing mythtv on the xbox using the xebian distro.
 Hopefully, this will help you:

http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Xebian_HOWTO

Also take a look at the reference links at the bottom.


On 11/30/05, William <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have been trying to get my xbox running the current version of mythtv and
> have been having lots of problems. Either I can get myth installed but not
> lirc (gentoox) or the software is simply missing (bit.blkbk.com). So my
> question is this: Whats out there that offers a seamless install of linux
> and mythtv? I really dont want to do all the work of patching and debugging
> that goes into a generic install of gentoo or fedora.
>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: [mythtv-users] Dish Network and MythTV

[Robert La Ferla]

Jeff Simpson wrote:


It's not what you're looking to hear, but every other satellite and 
cable provider
has better methods for interfacing with myth and/or tivo. I had no 
problems at

all interfacing with serial to DirecTV and Comcast boxes.


But DirecTV doesn't offer TV Japan and the quality of Comcast Digital 
cable (last time I used it) was terrible so that's why I need and want 
Dish Network.


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[mythtv-users] Help with new Kernel

[Kirk Davis]

Title: Help with new Kernel 






Hi,

    I am following jarod's how-to for installing mythtv onto FC4.  I set everything up a couple of week ago and all was fine but I think FC4 has bumped the kernel version and I can't seem to get the kernel modules.  I'm not new to Unix but I am new to Linux so I'm a little lost.  

    I installed the OS and did the: yum upgrade  (so far so good).  It upgraded the system and installed the 2.6.14-1.1644-FC4 kernel.  Not I'm list because Axel doesn't seem to have the kernel modules for lirc, nvidia, ivtv (I need the development ones as I have a PVR-150) yet.

    Should I wait or go back to an older kernel?  How to I go back to an older kernel?  I don't mind reinstalling from scratch as this is a new box that I'm setting up but if I do then how to I specify what kernel to upgrade things to.

    Thanks


 Kirk



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Re: [mythtv-users] dual (bilingual) sound

[Petr Stehlik]

Michael T. Dean píše v St 30. 11. 2005 v 11:38 -0500:
> >>>works correctly so I assume that one of the stereo channels is set as
> >>>default language channel when the bilingual transmission is detected.
> >>>Now it's up to me to look into xawtv source code to find out which
> >>>channel it is - either left or right, there is no more possibilities.

> This is making me think that there may be some information transmitted 
> in the VBI about the audio.

No idea how it is transmitted. How is transmitted MONO vs STEREO
information? I have just looked into xawtv and tvtime source code for
some time but I can't see anything useful. I see getter and setter
functions for the MONO/STEREO/LANG1/LANG2 - they do work with the V4L
tuner directly.

V4L API defines four different sound encodings:

VIDEO_SOUND_MONO
Mono signal
VIDEO_SOUND_STEREO
Stereo signal (NICAM for TV)
VIDEO_SOUND_LANG1
European TV alternate language 1
VIDEO_SOUND_LANG2
European TV alternate language 2

and kernel bttv driver does this (in VIDIOC_G_TUNER):

if(va.mode & VIDEO_SOUND_STEREO) {
t->audmode = V4L2_TUNER_MODE_STEREO;
t->rxsubchans |= V4L2_TUNER_SUB_STEREO;
}
if(va.mode & VIDEO_SOUND_LANG1) {
t->audmode= V4L2_TUNER_MODE_LANG1;
t->rxsubchans = V4L2_TUNER_SUB_LANG1 | V4L2_TUNER_SUB_LANG2;
}

See, if LANG1 mode is available then subchannels are LANG1 and LANG2,
and default audio mode is set to LANG1. This is the answer. It's all
handled by kernel so user application just have to set the right mode of
tuner, not to play with muting left or right channels.

Wow, I have just found it:

The rx subchannels description says that "Some tuners can report the
audio subprograms received by analyzing audio carriers, pilot tones or
other indicators. The rxsubchans field contains flags defined in Table
4, which are set by the driver to indicate the audio subprograms the
hardware may currently receive."

So the driver does detect the audio type automagically and you just have
to set the audio mode correctly. Now when is the right time to detect
the change? It should be done periodically, most probably. Once per
second? Is there a good place in MythTV where I could try to put such a
code?

http://v4l2spec.bytesex.org/spec-single/v4l2.html#TUNER-MATRIX shows
what happens if the mode is not set correctly.

BTW, this is rather interesting topic. After looking through the xawtv
source code I can't swear that it detects the lang1/2 automagically.
Maybe that MythTV would be the first one on linux platform that would do
that right :-) But then a certain default value would have to be set in
Myth (either record lang1 or lang2 by default) and what if user
preferred the other language in certain recorded programs? Seems to me
like most flexible will be to leave it as it is and then use the mute
left/right channel feature when watching the livetv/recorded program.

Petr


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Re: [mythtv-users] Dish Network and MythTV

[Robert La Ferla]

Nothing illegal.  I would just like high quality video and definitely 
under Linux.  How does the card reader work?



Steve Adeff wrote:

On Wednesday 30 November 2005 12:21, Robert La Ferla wrote:
  

I am thinking about switching from cable to satellite and I have a few
questions.  For specific reasons, I am interested in Dish Network only.
Is there a tuner card that will allow me to use MythTV with Dish Network
(preferred) or do I have to use the infrared port?  If the latter, is
there a more reliable serial port?




they do make Dish compatible tuner cards. If your plan is to do illegal things 
with Dish then don't worry about getting the card reader. If you plan on 
using an actual Dish subscription get one with a card reader, but I don't 
know if there is support for this in linux, you'd have to look around.


As well, you won't get any HD channels with the PC tuner cards and when they 
do the switch to MPEG4 you won't be able to tune those channels either.


  


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Re: [mythtv-users] Xbox Lirc not working on new install

[Norm]

John Andersen wrote:




On 11/30/05, *Mlists* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 
wrote:


Hi there,

Had to re-install my config so decided to compile myth rather then
install the debs so that I could use a newer svn version to match my
back-end.

Lirc is installed.  Running irw shows that I'm getting keys but
for some
reason the keys aren't working in Mythtv.  Any suggestions what
could be
going on here?  Did I need to compile in some sort of support for
this?


 What about your lircrc file (or your .lircrc)  Is it properly 
configured and in the correct place?


Copied the lircrc that I was using before the re-install.  I 
double-checked my configure options and realized I was missing a library 
for lirc so it was turning the option off before compiling.  I've made 
the appropriate changes now and am re-compiling... stay tuned.


Norm
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Re: [mythtv-users] Are there any xbox mythtv distros still beingsupported?

[Norm]

William wrote:

I use Xebian.  There are debian packages available for the 
latest stable release.  If you want to go with bleeding edge 
(and unstable!) svn versions then you will have to compile.


Norm
   



I thought I tried that. What is the package manager with Xebian? apt-get?
 

Yes, apt-get -- it's fairly simple and handles the dependencies well 
enough.  Maybe though its time someone (am I volunteering???) to make a 
bootable Xbox distro with Myth built-in.  It might be a fun little project.


Norm
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RE: [mythtv-users] Are there any xbox mythtv distros still beingsupported?

[William]

> I use Xebian.  There are debian packages available for the 
> latest stable release.  If you want to go with bleeding edge 
> (and unstable!) svn versions then you will have to compile.
> 
> Norm

I thought I tried that. What is the package manager with Xebian? apt-get?

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Re: [mythtv-users] Xbox Lirc not working on new install

[John Andersen]

On 11/30/05, Mlists <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi there,Had to re-install my config so decided to compile myth rather theninstall the debs so that I could use a newer svn version to match myback-end.Lirc is installed.  Running irw shows that I'm getting keys but for some
reason the keys aren't working in Mythtv.  Any suggestions what could begoing on here?  Did I need to compile in some sort of support for this?
 What about your lircrc file (or your .lircrc)  Is it properly configured and in the correct place?

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Re: [mythtv-users] HELP: No TV after hw install of HD3000 (w/ PVR250 and FC4)

[Bruce Markey]

Michael T. Dean wrote:

Brad Fuller wrote:

Is [capture card] priority set by the field "Input Preference" in 
mythtv-setup? If so, maybe the text should change with the word 
"priority" in it.


It is a priority value that is added up with the other priority
values. It went in as 'preference' and could be changed but how
and why it's used is a little different concept than setting
priorities per se.

Yeah.  It's really on the input level in case you have multiple inputs 
on the same card and one has poor reception or whatever, but it's 
generally easier to explain the choice of capture chards as a "card 
priority".


Or inputs on multiple cards. It says 'I'd rather see recordings
made on this cardinputid than on other inputs that may have channels
that broadcast the same show'.

How do you change the cardid? I'm sure it's in the archives 
someplace... I searched. I'll look more... I imagine it can only be 
changed in the dB.


I believe it is actually the cardinputid that makes the difference.

mysql> select cardinputid, cardid, sourceid, inputname from cardinput;
+-++--++
| cardinputid | cardid | sourceid | inputname  |
+-++--++
|   1 |  1 |1 | Television |
|   2 |  2 |1 | S-Video|
+-++--++

The cheap way to switch the order is to remove your first card input
for the source then add it again so that it becomes last. IOW say you
have input 1 and 2 but you want 2 to be the first choice. Run
mythtv-setup, go to Input connections and choose the item which
is currently the first input. Set the video source to "None" and
finish. Go back in and reset the video source and other parameters.

mysql> select cardinputid, cardid, sourceid, inputname from cardinput;
+-++--++
| cardinputid | cardid | sourceid | inputname  |
+-++--++
|   3 |  1 |1 | Television |
|   2 |  2 |1 | S-Video|
+-++--++

Input 2 on card 2 should now have first dibs over input 3 on card 1.

Changing the cardid is a bit more complex.  There have been a couple of 
posts about resetting cardid (i.e. 


The Adrian Monk monk way to do it is to make a db backup:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.5

clear all your card data and start over by entering your best card
and input first followed by your next best and so on.

but it shouldn't matter at all what numbers are used.  If you just want 
to change it because of priority, it's far easier to set the input 
preference.


It's worth noting that there is a difference between the input order
and input preference. Preference says that you would rather record
on that input even if it is a later showing. If "A" is on at 7 and
"B" is on at 7 and 10, "A" would record on 1 at 7 and "B" on 2 at 7
if the preferences are equal. If input 1 has a higher preference
then "A" would record on 1 at 7 and "B" on 1 at 10. If there was
another higher priority show at 10 then "B" would again record on
2 at 7.

--  bjm





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Re: [mythtv-users] Are there any xbox mythtv distros still being supported?

[Mlists]

I use Xebian.  There are debian packages available for the latest stable
release.  If you want to go with bleeding edge (and unstable!) svn
versions then you will have to compile.

Norm

On Wed, 2005-30-11 at 17:43 -0500, William wrote:
> I have been trying to get my xbox running the current version of mythtv and
> have been having lots of problems. Either I can get myth installed but not
> lirc (gentoox) or the software is simply missing (bit.blkbk.com). So my
> question is this: Whats out there that offers a seamless install of linux
> and mythtv? I really dont want to do all the work of patching and debugging
> that goes into a generic install of gentoo or fedora.
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: [mythtv-users] I'm thinking of switching to windows :(

[Steve Hodge]

On 12/1/05, Ken Teague <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Also, a *base* Windows setup (including a copy of i386 in the root of
> C:) is roughly 1.5GB of data.

I understand that asthetically 1.5GB of OS is poor. But practically,
who cares? That's an hour of video at the settings I'm using. There
are plenty of good reasons not to use Windows but this is not one of
them.

Steve
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[mythtv-users] Are there any xbox mythtv distros still being supported?

[William]

I have been trying to get my xbox running the current version of mythtv and
have been having lots of problems. Either I can get myth installed but not
lirc (gentoox) or the software is simply missing (bit.blkbk.com). So my
question is this: Whats out there that offers a seamless install of linux
and mythtv? I really dont want to do all the work of patching and debugging
that goes into a generic install of gentoo or fedora.

Thanks!

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Re: [mythtv-users] I'm thinking of switching to windows :(

[Bertrand]

I never intended this thread to be a discussion of the merits of Linux 
vs. windows.  I just wanted a bit a technical advice from the community 
before trying another os.  I apologize for putting the word "windows" in 
the subject.


I've heard good things about SageTV.

http://www.sagetv.com/

Not free, though.
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RE: [mythtv-users] vonage caller id

[William]

> > That's not entirely true... I can't prove this yet, because I don't 
> > have a way to sniff the packets before getting to my vonage 
> ATA (yet), 
> > but I've found a few sources that say they can sniff the 
> callerID info 
> > off of port 10,000.  Again, I don't know.  I got my vonage 
> box about 3 
> > months ago.  So, I'm guessing it won't be port 5061.
> 
> I wasn't trying to say that you can't sniff the caller ID off 
> the newer boxes, but the stock vonagesniff.pl won't do it for 
> you... it'll at least need some tweaking, that is if the SIP 
> packets are the same...

I have not tried this yet but I am planning to. The new boxes maintain a
connection back to their server on port 1 (ten thousand). In my network
setup the ATA is just another drop off the hub so I should be able to
monitor traffic. Might be worth setting up a packet sniffer on that port to
see whats being passed when a call comes in.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Video/audio out of sync

[Michael Eager]

Michael T. Dean wrote:

On 11/30/05 15:57, Michael Eager wrote:


I'm using KnoppMyth R5A16, HD-3000, S-video input.
Input is from DISH sat box.

With xawtv, the video and audio are in sync.

With MythTV, the video is about 1-2 second after
the audio.

Any suggestions on how to fix this?


http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html


Thanks!  I must have missed this.

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1960 Park Blvd., Palo Alto, CA 94306  650-325-8077
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[mythtv-users] Xbox Lirc not working on new install

[Mlists]

Hi there,

Had to re-install my config so decided to compile myth rather then
install the debs so that I could use a newer svn version to match my
back-end.

Lirc is installed.  Running irw shows that I'm getting keys but for some
reason the keys aren't working in Mythtv.  Any suggestions what could be
going on here?  Did I need to compile in some sort of support for this?

Thx
Norm

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RE: [mythtv-users] Dish Network and MythTV

[William]

> I am thinking about switching from cable to satellite and I 
> have a few 
> questions.  For specific reasons, I am interested in Dish 
> Network only.  
> Is there a tuner card that will allow me to use MythTV with 
> Dish Network 
> (preferred) or do I have to use the infrared port?  If the latter, is 
> there a more reliable serial port?

Pretty much the only reliable way to change channels with dish is with a
commercial ir blaster. With 2 of the myblaster devices and 2 receivers I
have have not noticed any instances of it missing a channel change in about
3 years of use. If you want to use the myblaster device you can get the
latest drivers at myblaster.sourceforge.net. I am the author of the linux
drivers so feel free to ask me questions outside the list if you need help.

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Re: [mythtv-users] I'm thinking of switching to windows :(

[Raphael Pooser]

SixArm wrote:

I never intended this thread to be a discussion of the merits of Linux 
vs. windows.  I just wanted a bit a technical advice from the 
community before trying another os.  I apologize for putting the word 
"windows" in the subject.


92% of my computer usage is Linux, but I'm not really biased when it 
comes to solving a problem.  Sometimes you just need a dry roof over 
your head and it does't matter what kind of hammer you use to build it.


I have a simple goal.  Allow my wife to record HDTV as easily as she 
can now with our hacked TiVo.  Once this is done I get to justify the 
purchase of a 56" 1080p HDTV.  :)  If I have to go the windows route 
to get this done, I will.


I really appreciate the technical feedback and I've gotten a few good 
ideas to try out. 


cheers,

-sixarm

On 11/30/05, *Ken Teague* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


James C. Dastrup wrote:

>Just an off-topic tip:
>
>My biannual Windows reinstall takes 5 minutes. Image a working
>system up to your network, then image it down when you need to
>rebuild. And if you use sysprep, then even any hardware changes
>don't affect the image process. Or, put a sysprep'ed image on
>a DVD and just image it to any computer - you never need to
>see the installation again.
>
>
I think the point, here, is that, at some point in time, you do
have to
go through the 45 minute flawed installation of Windows before you can
get to get to a point of imaging.  Lets throw sysprep in the mix and
you've possibly added a mini-setup to your post-image dump.  Tag
on the
-pnp argument to sysprep so you can detect any new hardware you
may have
thrown in your box since its last image and you've tacked on another
5-10 minutes to the mini-setup.

Also, a *base* Windows setup (including a copy of i386 in the root of
C:) is roughly 1.5GB of data.  What do you get in that
1.5GB?  Lets see,
Notepad (such a powerful text editor), Calculator, Character Map,
WordPad (even more powerful than Notepad!), Pinball, Freecell,
MediaPlayer, Internet Explorer, etc... but how much is actually
useful,
and how much productivity can be found?  Hardly any of it.  I can
install Debian in 20 minutes and have a fully functional X Window
System
and tons of utilities and productivity tools.  We can leave out
C:\i386
and take away about 500MB from that 1.5GB, and that still leaves
us with
1GB of stuff that's mostly CRAP!  To get up to speed after a
post-image
dump, you'll need to reinstall your apps which takes most of the time
when rebuiling a box.  So, tell us... how long does it take you to get
back to where you were after you dump the image in 5 minutes?

- Ken

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heh,
Ok no one said anything about any 56" TV here, somebody get me an XP CD 
stat. :P
No it's true, in the end, I think Linux is the uberOS, but I think also 
that when it comes to PVRs you do need to consider all the possibilites 
especially if you're just starting out (not that you are at all), and 
generally sometimes if you're a little screwed by the drivers in one OS 
or the other you have to do What Works(TM).
Before I said that mediaportal is too slow, and right now it is, but the 
guys working on it are working pretty hard and updating relatively 
often.  Already they have another release out since the first time I 
tried it, which was only August of this year.  I think if we give them 
some time, if I was to go the windows route I would go with media 
portal.  GBPVR I have never tried, though I downloaded.  never installed 
it as I saw it can't use my cards.
I wish someone windows or linux, would make a good PVR that could use 
all in wonders.  My all in wonder 9700 pro with the arctic cooling 
(really silent) heatsink on it is getting all lonely, poor baby.

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[mythtv-users] Analogue recording off DVB-BT8xx? Composite0 or S-Video

[Michael Weinbergs - Network Administrator]

I can't find any 
details on how to get my (currently working wonderfully - Linux-2.6.14.3 + DVB-BT8xx 
(Avermedia 761) + Mythtv-0.18.1-onwards) composite/s-video inputs to 
work.
 
I want to keep 
MythTV recording my TV as is. It is configured in Mythtv-setup as a "DVB" 
card (not V4L - /dev/video0).
 
As advised by others 
- whenever I hit "C" (whilst watching livetv) nothing happens (actually changes 
to the current channel).
 
As a guess, I 
put V4L (/dev/video0) which shows "composite0" as an option - but I can't see a 
way to get a "channel" allocated to it. (ie. what do I put in the "video 
sources" or "channel editor"?)
I can't find 
anything in the threads.
Can you have a 
DVB-BT8xx card setup in Mythtv as BOTH a /dev/dvb and 
/dev/video0?
 
Bottom line: all I 
want to do is be able to record data (my video camera output) into the 
composite0 (or s-video) and then record it into MythTV..
 
Anyone done it or 
give me some suggestions on how to do it?


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Re: [mythtv-users] I'm thinking of switching to windows :(

[Raphael Pooser]

Ken Teague wrote:


James C. Dastrup wrote:


Just an off-topic tip:

My biannual Windows reinstall takes 5 minutes. Image a working
system up to your network, then image it down when you need to
rebuild. And if you use sysprep, then even any hardware changes
don't affect the image process. Or, put a sysprep'ed image on a DVD 
and just image it to any computer - you never need to
see the installation again.  

I think the point, here, is that, at some point in time, you do have 
to go through the 45 minute flawed installation of Windows before you 
can get to get to a point of imaging.  Lets throw sysprep in the mix 
and you've possibly added a mini-setup to your post-image dump.  Tag 
on the -pnp argument to sysprep so you can detect any new hardware you 
may have thrown in your box since its last image and you've tacked on 
another 5-10 minutes to the mini-setup.


Also, a *base* Windows setup (including a copy of i386 in the root of 
C:) is roughly 1.5GB of data.  What do you get in that 1.5GB?  Lets 
see, Notepad (such a powerful text editor), Calculator, Character Map, 
WordPad (even more powerful than Notepad!), Pinball, Freecell, 
MediaPlayer, Internet Explorer, etc... but how much is actually 
useful, and how much productivity can be found?  Hardly any of it.  I 
can install Debian in 20 minutes and have a fully functional X Window 
System and tons of utilities and productivity tools.  We can leave out 
C:\i386 and take away about 500MB from that 1.5GB, and that still 
leaves us with 1GB of stuff that's mostly CRAP!  To get up to speed 
after a post-image dump, you'll need to reinstall your apps which 
takes most of the time when rebuiling a box.  So, tell us... how long 
does it take you to get back to where you were after you dump the 
image in 5 minutes?


- Ken

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I will say, image or no image in windows, nothing can beat the 
simplicity and ease of "tar  backup.tgz /" in linux for backup 
and the subsequent ease of "tar  backup.tgz /" for 
restore.  There are plenty of other ways and programs to backup linux, 
like unison, and umpteen others, but hey, I don't think there is any 
windows program available (for free) that is as simple as just hitting 
return after a one line command (which you could make even simpler by 
just putting into a script with a really easy name like "backup_system") 
to backup or just hitting return after a one line command to restore.  
Put it in a cron, cycle the backup filenames, and you have XP's system 
restore on steroids, only it doesn't constantly take up resources.
Sorry, I'm just going on about this because I never even bothered 
backing up linux boxes until this year and so I'm still in that ooh wow 
phase about it.

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Re: [mythtv-users] I'm thinking of switching to windows :(

[SixArm]

I never intended this thread to be a discussion of the merits of Linux vs. windows.  I just wanted a bit a technical advice from the community before trying another os.  I apologize for putting the word "windows" in the subject.
92% of my computer usage is Linux, but I'm not really biased when it comes to solving a problem.  Sometimes you just need a dry roof over your head and it does't matter what kind of hammer you use to build it.
I have a simple goal.  Allow my wife to record HDTV as easily as she can now with our hacked TiVo.  Once this is done I get to justify the purchase of a 56" 1080p HDTV.  :)  If I have to go the windows route to get this done, I will.
I really appreciate the technical feedback and I've gotten a few good ideas to try out.  cheers,-sixarmOn 11/30/05, Ken Teague
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:James C. Dastrup wrote:
>Just an off-topic tip:>>My biannual Windows reinstall takes 5 minutes. Image a working>system up to your network, then image it down when you need to>rebuild. And if you use sysprep, then even any hardware changes
>don't affect the image process. Or, put a sysprep'ed image on>a DVD and just image it to any computer - you never need to>see the installation again.>>I think the point, here, is that, at some point in time, you do have to
go through the 45 minute flawed installation of Windows before you canget to get to a point of imaging.  Lets throw sysprep in the mix andyou've possibly added a mini-setup to your post-image dump.  Tag on the
-pnp argument to sysprep so you can detect any new hardware you may havethrown in your box since its last image and you've tacked on another5-10 minutes to the mini-setup.Also, a *base* Windows setup (including a copy of i386 in the root of
C:) is roughly 1.5GB of data.  What do you get in that 1.5GB?  Lets see,Notepad (such a powerful text editor), Calculator, Character Map,WordPad (even more powerful than Notepad!), Pinball, Freecell,MediaPlayer, Internet Explorer, etc... but how much is actually useful,
and how much productivity can be found?  Hardly any of it.  I caninstall Debian in 20 minutes and have a fully functional X Window Systemand tons of utilities and productivity tools.  We can leave out C:\i386
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Re: [mythtv-users] OT:? GeForce MX4000 and TV Out oddness

[Joseph A. Caputo]

On Wednesday 30 November 2005 16:20, SpEnT wrote:
> I really wish there was an
> internal player that used Myth's GUI setting for playing movies

Just specify "Internal" as the player command for MythVideo.

> (I 
> still have to look into possibly setting the dimentions for full
> screen play with either xine or mplayer ... maybe there's a way to
> make it fit in the init line).

You can tweak pretty much anything with MPlayer.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Via vt-310dp and c146

[Andrew Plumb]

...that Flexible PCI Riser/Extender, on the other hand, could do the trick!

http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/cPath/47_68/products_id/452On 11/30/05, 
Andrew Plumb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Geoff,

Unfortunately, in the case of the C146 that riser card won't work; the
riser card it comes with is actually two board connected by a couple of
ribbon cables.  That's probably how they get it to fit in this
particular 1U case; it's not the one in the picture:

http://www.travla.com/FAQ/faq-DualRiserCard.html

Thanks for confirming my suspicions.

Andrew.On 11/30/05, R. Geoffrey Newbury <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:47:16 -0500, Andrew Plumb wrote:Hi Eliot (and mythtv-users),>With respect to the C146, my PVR500 dual-tuner card was a shade too long to>install in the first (PCI2) slot of the dual-slot PCI riser card AND fit
>back into the case; neither of the cards work if you put them in the second>(PCI3) slot.  The PVR350 fits and works.  What I haven't tried (yet) is to>install a "dummy" PCI card (like an old network card) in the first slot and
>the PVR500 in the second.  The problem is most likely with the riser card,>an active versus passive circuit design; the descriptions at this site are>what lead me to suspect that this is the issue:

>http://mini-itx.com/store/?c=3D8#p1902Your problem IS the riser card.Most PCI riser cards come with a small daughter-board which is intended to
go into the motherboard's original PCI slot to pass the power and IRQ to
the riser card slotOf course that does not work when you only have onepci slot!Via make a 2 slot riser card which has active circuitry to obviate thisproblem. I think that their riser is in fact intended for Travla cases
like the C146. I got mine from Logic Supply, Waterbury Vermont.http://www.logicsupply.com>Accessories>PCI Riser Cards>   Part name
PCIRISER2.  That card may solve your physical fitting problem with the
PVR500 too.This riser allows me to use both my PVR500 and pcHDTV3000 on my ViaSP13.Because my case (Silverstone LC11M) is designed for a physically differentstructure  with an AGP card in the 'first' slot, I am using a flexible PCI
extension (part name: Flexpci) between the motherboard PCI slot and thePCI riser card.This route can obviate a number of other problems too.GeoffOn 11/30/05, Eliot Phillips <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> I found your posts in the MythTV mailing lists archive. I'm
> considering putting together a MythTV box and really want to use the
> c146 case. How has it been working for you? Have you gotten your DP> board off the ground yet? The only thing that is holding me back is> the limited number of boards with DVI output. I should probably bite
> the bullet and assume that sometime in the future I'll build a> frontend box with DVI for HDTV.>> Eliot Phillips> Hack-A-Day> 
http://hackaday.com
>R.
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Re: [mythtv-users] I'm thinking of switching to windows :(

[Ken Teague]

James C. Dastrup wrote:


Just an off-topic tip:

My biannual Windows reinstall takes 5 minutes. Image a working
system up to your network, then image it down when you need to
rebuild. And if you use sysprep, then even any hardware changes
don't affect the image process. Or, put a sysprep'ed image on 
a DVD and just image it to any computer - you never need to
see the installation again. 
 

I think the point, here, is that, at some point in time, you do have to 
go through the 45 minute flawed installation of Windows before you can 
get to get to a point of imaging.  Lets throw sysprep in the mix and 
you've possibly added a mini-setup to your post-image dump.  Tag on the 
-pnp argument to sysprep so you can detect any new hardware you may have 
thrown in your box since its last image and you've tacked on another 
5-10 minutes to the mini-setup.


Also, a *base* Windows setup (including a copy of i386 in the root of 
C:) is roughly 1.5GB of data.  What do you get in that 1.5GB?  Lets see, 
Notepad (such a powerful text editor), Calculator, Character Map, 
WordPad (even more powerful than Notepad!), Pinball, Freecell, 
MediaPlayer, Internet Explorer, etc... but how much is actually useful, 
and how much productivity can be found?  Hardly any of it.  I can 
install Debian in 20 minutes and have a fully functional X Window System 
and tons of utilities and productivity tools.  We can leave out C:\i386 
and take away about 500MB from that 1.5GB, and that still leaves us with 
1GB of stuff that's mostly CRAP!  To get up to speed after a post-image 
dump, you'll need to reinstall your apps which takes most of the time 
when rebuiling a box.  So, tell us... how long does it take you to get 
back to where you were after you dump the image in 5 minutes?


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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Via vt-310dp and c146

[Andrew Plumb]

Hi Geoff,

Unfortunately, in the case of the C146 that riser card won't work; the
riser card it comes with is actually two board connected by a couple of
ribbon cables.  That's probably how they get it to fit in this
particular 1U case; it's not the one in the picture:

http://www.travla.com/FAQ/faq-DualRiserCard.html

Thanks for confirming my suspicions.

Andrew.On 11/30/05, R. Geoffrey Newbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:47:16 -0500, Andrew Plumb wrote:Hi Eliot (and mythtv-users),>With respect to the C146, my PVR500 dual-tuner card was a shade too long to>install in the first (PCI2) slot of the dual-slot PCI riser card AND fit
>back into the case; neither of the cards work if you put them in the second>(PCI3) slot.  The PVR350 fits and works.  What I haven't tried (yet) is to>install a "dummy" PCI card (like an old network card) in the first slot and
>the PVR500 in the second.  The problem is most likely with the riser card,>an active versus passive circuit design; the descriptions at this site are>what lead me to suspect that this is the issue:
>http://mini-itx.com/store/?c=3D8#p1902Your problem IS the riser card.Most PCI riser cards come with a small daughter-board which is intended togo into the motherboard's original PCI slot to pass the power and IRQ to
the riser card slotOf course that does not work when you only have onepci slot!Via make a 2 slot riser card which has active circuitry to obviate thisproblem. I think that their riser is in fact intended for Travla cases
like the C146. I got mine from Logic Supply, Waterbury Vermont.http://www.logicsupply.com>Accessories>PCI Riser Cards>   Part namePCIRISER2.  That card may solve your physical fitting problem with the
PVR500 too.This riser allows me to use both my PVR500 and pcHDTV3000 on my ViaSP13.Because my case (Silverstone LC11M) is designed for a physically differentstructure  with an AGP card in the 'first' slot, I am using a flexible PCI
extension (part name: Flexpci) between the motherboard PCI slot and thePCI riser card.This route can obviate a number of other problems too.GeoffOn 11/30/05, Eliot Phillips <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> I found your posts in the MythTV mailing lists archive. I'm> considering putting together a MythTV box and really want to use the
> c146 case. How has it been working for you? Have you gotten your DP> board off the ground yet? The only thing that is holding me back is> the limited number of boards with DVI output. I should probably bite
> the bullet and assume that sometime in the future I'll build a> frontend box with DVI for HDTV.>> Eliot Phillips> Hack-A-Day> http://hackaday.com
>R.
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Re: [mythtv-users] I'm thinking of switching to windows :(

[Raphael Pooser]

Mike Wafkowski wrote:


Sorry for the misstep - I'm fully aware of the difference between freeware
and OSS and anything else you can identify.

I mistyped...geeze...

Fact is tho, both packages are FREE for the user to use. Let's leave out the
politics of OSS vs. everything else pleeeze!

MRW

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To: "Discussion about mythtv" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:39 PM
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Mike Wafkowski wrote:

   


I wan't recommending Windows over Linux, just saying that there is
more than one way to "skin a cat." I love Mythtv and also GBPVR. They're
both very good solutions (better than any others IMHO) and both are
freeware.


 


MythTV is definitely *not* freeware (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeware ).  MythTV is open-source, FLOSS
(Free/Libre Open Source Software), or libre software, and there is a big
difference.  Sure, MythTV is available for use free of charge, but who
cares?  The important thing is that *I'm* free to use it or modify it as
I like.

So, whereas GBPVR may be freeware (whatever it is, we know it's not open
source and is not libre software), MythTV is more "free-the-user-ware".

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It is a good point though.  For someone just looking for something to 
work GBPVR may be a good solution if they can get it up and running 
easier than mythtv.  It is true that before I started my project I was 
weighing all possibilities equally, whether they be in windows or 
linux.  It so happened that absolutely nothing in windows had lax enough 
hardware requirements for me (ati tv wonder and amd 1700+).  I also 
tried freevo under linux and could just never get the damn thing to work 
while following the howtos and instructions word for word.  That's the 
funny thing, it turns out myth isn't even the hardest PVR of all of them 
to set up, lol.  In truth although I will always recommend a linux over 
windows for anything but gaming, I will say that for PVRs it is a lot 
like gaming, in that the end justifies the means, if the machine finally 
serves the function, and a lot of people just want to get one up and 
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Re: [mythtv-users] Video/audio out of sync

[Kevin Kuphal]

Michael Eager wrote:


I'm using KnoppMyth R5A16, HD-3000, S-video input.
Input is from DISH sat box.

With xawtv, the video and audio are in sync.

With MythTV, the video is about 1-2 second after
the audio.

Any suggestions on how to fix this?


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Re: [mythtv-users] Video/audio out of sync

[Michael T. Dean]

On 11/30/05 15:57, Michael Eager wrote:


I'm using KnoppMyth R5A16, HD-3000, S-video input.
Input is from DISH sat box.

With xawtv, the video and audio are in sync.

With MythTV, the video is about 1-2 second after
the audio.

Any suggestions on how to fix this?


http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

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Re: [mythtv-users] OT:? GeForce MX4000 and TV Out oddness

[SpEnT]

On 11/29/05, Brad DerManouelian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This may sound obvious, but make it bigger until your border is gone. :)
>
> It would be nice (hint, hint developers) if we could define margins
> for the GUI and OSD so we wouldn't have to choose between borders and
> info getting cut off. I have a happy balance between those options
> after a bunch of tweaking. I cut off a little and have no borders.

lol eventually I did this. For some reason I can't have a perfectly
centered GUI AND Live TV / movies and I really wish there was an
internal player that used Myth's GUI setting for playing movies (I
still have to look into possibly setting the dimentions for full
screen play with either xine or mplayer ... maybe there's a way to
make it fit in the init line).

Either way it looks good and seems to be happy and *most* of a full
screen movie fits on the screen without overscan too much. One thing I
did find (and couldn't alter to suit my needs) was using
nvidia-settings I could "center" the image and it would fit in the
screen but  quite a bit smaller ... I couldn't scale it anyway to
perfectly match the screen size *shrug*
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Re: [mythtv-users] dual (bilingual) sound

[R. Geoffrey Newbury]

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:48:13 -0500, Dewey Smolka wrote:

>> Well, this lang1/2 feature is hardwired in every TV set sold on
>> (Czech/Slovak - 
>Anyway, my belated point is that I'm not sure there is any way to make
>this sticky in Myth. You're probably better off recording both audio
>channels and setting them manually on playback. Besides, you don't
>need duo for the hockey.
>
>Maj sa pekne,
>
>a dej si to skvele ceske pivo pro mne.

Yes, generally for hockey you want the TV sound muted since we cannot gag
the announcers...


CBC television got one of its all-time highest viewships for a Canadian
football league game, while its unions were on strike, and there were no
announcers "giving the play by play of the game"
Sometimes silence is golden.


Geoff






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Re: [mythtv-users] HELP: No TV after hw install of HD3000 (w/ PVR250 and FC4)

[Michael T. Dean]

Brad Fuller wrote:

Is [capture card] priority set by the field "Input Preference" in 
mythtv-setup? If so, maybe the text should change with the word 
"priority" in it.


Yeah.  It's really on the input level in case you have multiple inputs 
on the same card and one has poor reception or whatever, but it's 
generally easier to explain the choice of capture chards as a "card 
priority".


How do you change the cardid? I'm sure it's in the archives 
someplace... I searched. I'll look more... I imagine it can only be 
changed in the dB.


Changing the cardid is a bit more complex.  There have been a couple of 
posts about resetting cardid (i.e. 
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/63269?nohighlight=1#63269), 
but it shouldn't matter at all what numbers are used.  If you just want 
to change it because of priority, it's far easier to set the input 
preference.


Mike



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Re: [mythtv-users] Re: Via vt-310dp and c146

[R. Geoffrey Newbury]

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:47:16 -0500, Andrew Plumb wrote:

Hi Eliot (and mythtv-users),

>With respect to the C146, my PVR500 dual-tuner card was a shade too long to
>install in the first (PCI2) slot of the dual-slot PCI riser card AND fit
>back into the case; neither of the cards work if you put them in the second
>(PCI3) slot.  The PVR350 fits and works.  What I haven't tried (yet) is to
>install a "dummy" PCI card (like an old network card) in the first slot and
>the PVR500 in the second.  The problem is most likely with the riser card,
>an active versus passive circuit design; the descriptions at this site are
>what lead me to suspect that this is the issue: 
>http://mini-itx.com/store/?c=3D8#p1902

Your problem IS the riser card.
Most PCI riser cards come with a small daughter-board which is intended to
go into the motherboard's original PCI slot to pass the power and IRQ to
the riser card slotOf course that does not work when you only have one
pci slot!

Via make a 2 slot riser card which has active circuitry to obviate this
problem. I think that their riser is in fact intended for Travla cases
like the C146. I got mine from Logic Supply, Waterbury Vermont. 
http://www.logicsupply.com>Accessories>PCI Riser Cards>   Part name
PCIRISER2.  That card may solve your physical fitting problem with the
PVR500 too.
This riser allows me to use both my PVR500 and pcHDTV3000 on my Via
SP13.


Because my case (Silverstone LC11M) is designed for a physically different
structure  with an AGP card in the 'first' slot, I am using a flexible PCI
extension (part name: Flexpci) between the motherboard PCI slot and the
PCI riser card.
This route can obviate a number of other problems too.

Geoff





On 11/30/05, Eliot Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I found your posts in the MythTV mailing lists archive. I'm
> considering putting together a MythTV box and really want to use the
> c146 case. How has it been working for you? Have you gotten your DP
> board off the ground yet? The only thing that is holding me back is
> the limited number of boards with DVI output. I should probably bite
> the bullet and assume that sometime in the future I'll build a
> frontend box with DVI for HDTV.
>
> Eliot Phillips
> Hack-A-Day
> http://hackaday.com
>


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RE: [mythtv-users] Video/audio out of sync

[Baudouin, Andrew]

Is the "xv" module enabled?  What version of MythTV comes with that
KnoppMyth?



-Original Message-
From: Michael Eager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:57 PM
To: MythTV
Subject: [mythtv-users] Video/audio out of sync

I'm using KnoppMyth R5A16, HD-3000, S-video input.
Input is from DISH sat box.

With xawtv, the video and audio are in sync.

With MythTV, the video is about 1-2 second after
the audio.

Any suggestions on how to fix this?

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[mythtv-users] Video/audio out of sync

[Michael Eager]

I'm using KnoppMyth R5A16, HD-3000, S-video input.
Input is from DISH sat box.

With xawtv, the video and audio are in sync.

With MythTV, the video is about 1-2 second after
the audio.

Any suggestions on how to fix this?

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Re: [mythtv-users] Slow video with KnoppMyth

[Michael Eager]

Michael Eager wrote:

I just installed KnoppMyth R5A16 and video display
is very slow, something like 10 fps, and possibly
delayed.  CPU usage is very high:  49% mythfrontend,
43% mythbackend.

My system:
  ASUS A7S8X-MX, AMD XP 1600+
  HD-3000 using S-video input
  On-board graphics - Sis Real256E

I know that the processor is not very fast, but
it should handle displaying TV without problem.

Any suggestions about what might be causing the
slow display and high CPU?


Resolution:  knoppmyth installed the vesa video
driver.  Changing the driver to "sis" instead of
"vesa" in the XF86Config-4 file fixed the problem.
CPU usage is now 17% mythfrontend, 37% mythbackend.

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Re: [mythtv-users] I'm thinking of switching to windows :(

[Trent Albright]

Thanks James. Oh wait, you aren't James. Guess I wasn't asking you.On 11/30/05, David Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:














Linux – now what does this have to
do with MythTV?

 

David

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Trent Albright
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005
3:24 PM
To: Discussion
 about mythtv
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] I'm
thinking of switching to windows :(



 

Yeah, thats exactly what
I use Symantec Ghost for. What do you use?



On 11/30/05, James
C. Dastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

Just an off-topic tip:

My biannual Windows reinstall takes 5 minutes. Image a working 
system up to your network, then image it down when you need to
rebuild. And if you use sysprep, then even any hardware changes
don't affect the image process. Or, put a sysprep'ed image on
a DVD and just image it to any computer - you never need to 
see the installation again.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on behalf of Michael T. Dean
Sent: Wed 11/30/2005 12:27 PM 
To: Discussion about mythtv
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] I'm thinking of switching to windows :(

And drivers, and ...  I always set aside a minimum of 8 hours for my
biannual (that's twice a year, not biennial--once every two years) 
Windows re-install of my gaming system and I don't have to install any
apps on that system save the one game I'm playing at the time.

Not to mention the obviously-flawed Windows installer to which people
have grown so accustomed that they no longer seem to notice the flaws.
You start the Windows install, you format your disk, it copies files, it
reboots, and *then* it asks for the CD key.  Gee, thanks Microsoft,
for 
wiping my disk and preventing me from continuing to use my old OS before
you told me that some crook OEM sold me an unlicensed Windows CD with my
computer.  (OK, this one has never happened to me, but
still...  That's 
basically imposing the death sentence without judge and jury.)

So, the real flaw--that's always a problem--is the fact that there are
at least three different points during the install at which the entire
process comes to a complete stop waiting for user input.  I was
helping
a Windows fan-boy install FC4 and after it asked all the information it
needed and started downloading packages, I said, "Oh, wait.  We
have a 
problem.  I know you really like Windows, and many apps for FC4 are
designed to work like those on Windows, but the installer
doesn't.  It
won't stop 45 minutes from now asking for more information, so when we
come back, the install will be complete."

OK, not all Linux distros do their installers correctly, either--yes,
this means you Ubuntu--but come on...  Does Microsoft really expect
me
to sit there in front of the installer reading their Windows XP ads for 
45 minutes?  If so, you'd think they at least have enough ads that
they
don't repeat throughout the install.

And I won't even get into the installer loading drivers for every
possible piece of hardware before the installer can begin.  (Ever
hear 
of auto-detection, MS?)

Mike


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RE: [mythtv-users] Cant get rid of the blue border lines (NVidiaGForce5200FX Card)

[Shardayyy]

My point was you were repeating what had already been mentioned and giving
your opinion and not a suggestion. That's why I had to make sure you were
referring to same thing or you had some other solution pertaining to xvattr.





-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael T. Dean
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:48 PM
To: Discussion about mythtv
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Cant get rid of the blue border lines
(NVidiaGForce5200FX Card)

Shardayyy wrote:

>What's the xvattr  way
>  
>
Edit|Find|Find in this Message
xvattr

>
>  
>
>>>Either way works... I prefer the xvattr way.
>>>  
>>>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt
>Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:27 PM
>To: Discussion about mythtv
>Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Cant get rid of the blue border lines
>(NVidiaGForce 5200FX Card)
>
>On 11/30/05, Jonathan Tidmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>Using xvattr doesn't really get rid of the line, it just gets rid of the
>>blue by changing its color to blend in better with your TV border.  The
>>
>>
>way
>  
>
>>I got rid of the line altogether was adjusting my TVOverScan setting in
>>xorg.conf so the video fit my TV better.
>>
>>You can do this by adding "Option" "TVOverScan" "0.61" to your Device
>>section.  The values TVOverScan can take are between 0 and 1.  For my 27"
>>
>>
>TV
>  
>
>>and 800x600 resolution that 0.61 worked best.  If you go too high, your
>>video will span past the edge of your TV and crop your image.  Each TV and
>>video card is different, so my setting of 0.61 won't necessarily look best
>>on your setup.  I had to play with the TVOverScan a lot before I found the
>>right value.  Unfortunately, you have to restart X everytime you change
>>TVOverScan.
>>
>>
>>My device section in xorg.conf looks like:
>>
>>Section "Device"
>>Identifier  "Videocard0"
>>Driver  "nvidia"
>>VendorName  "Videocard vendor"
>>BoardName   "NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200"
>>Option  "NoLogo" "True"
>>Option  "TVStandard" "NTSC-M"
>>Option  "ConnectedMonitor" "TV"
>>Option  "TVOutFormat" "SVIDEO"
>>Option  "TVOverScan" "0.61"
>>Option  "RenderAccel" "true"
>>Option "Overlay" "True"
>>EndSection
>>
>>Good luck.
>>
>>
>>
>>On 11/30/05, Jos Hoekstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Shardayyy schreef:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
Any suggestions would be helpful.

Can't seem to get rid of what I have seen online as the "The blue line
problem", the blue border is on top and on the left side of the


>screen.
>  
>
I have also added this to my


>>/home/mythtv/.kde/Autostart/myth-load.sh
>>
>>
file as suggested. (xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 66048)



>>>"xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 0" I have here ;)
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Jos Hoekstra
>>>
>>>
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RE: [mythtv-users] I'm thinking of switching to windows :(

[David Ellis]

Linux – now what does this have to
do with MythTV?

 

David

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Trent Albright
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005
3:24 PM
To: Discussion
 about mythtv
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] I'm
thinking of switching to windows :(



 

Yeah, thats exactly what
I use Symantec Ghost for. What do you use?



On 11/30/05, James
C. Dastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

Just an off-topic tip:

My biannual Windows reinstall takes 5 minutes. Image a working 
system up to your network, then image it down when you need to
rebuild. And if you use sysprep, then even any hardware changes
don't affect the image process. Or, put a sysprep'ed image on
a DVD and just image it to any computer - you never need to 
see the installation again.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on behalf of Michael T. Dean
Sent: Wed 11/30/2005 12:27 PM 
To: Discussion about mythtv
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] I'm thinking of switching to windows :(

And drivers, and ...  I always set aside a minimum of 8 hours for my
biannual (that's twice a year, not biennial--once every two years) 
Windows re-install of my gaming system and I don't have to install any
apps on that system save the one game I'm playing at the time.

Not to mention the obviously-flawed Windows installer to which people
have grown so accustomed that they no longer seem to notice the flaws.
You start the Windows install, you format your disk, it copies files, it
reboots, and *then* it asks for the CD key.  Gee, thanks Microsoft,
for 
wiping my disk and preventing me from continuing to use my old OS before
you told me that some crook OEM sold me an unlicensed Windows CD with my
computer.  (OK, this one has never happened to me, but
still...  That's 
basically imposing the death sentence without judge and jury.)

So, the real flaw--that's always a problem--is the fact that there are
at least three different points during the install at which the entire
process comes to a complete stop waiting for user input.  I was
helping
a Windows fan-boy install FC4 and after it asked all the information it
needed and started downloading packages, I said, "Oh, wait.  We
have a 
problem.  I know you really like Windows, and many apps for FC4 are
designed to work like those on Windows, but the installer
doesn't.  It
won't stop 45 minutes from now asking for more information, so when we
come back, the install will be complete."

OK, not all Linux distros do their installers correctly, either--yes,
this means you Ubuntu--but come on...  Does Microsoft really expect
me
to sit there in front of the installer reading their Windows XP ads for 
45 minutes?  If so, you'd think they at least have enough ads that
they
don't repeat throughout the install.

And I won't even get into the installer loading drivers for every
possible piece of hardware before the installer can begin.  (Ever
hear 
of auto-detection, MS?)

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Re: [mythtv-users] I'm thinking of switching to windows :(

[Trent Albright]

Yeah, thats exactly what I use Symantec Ghost for. What do you use?On 11/30/05, James C. Dastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:Just an off-topic tip:My biannual Windows reinstall takes 5 minutes. Image a working
system up to your network, then image it down when you need torebuild. And if you use sysprep, then even any hardware changesdon't affect the image process. Or, put a sysprep'ed image ona DVD and just image it to any computer - you never need to
see the installation again.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Michael T. DeanSent: Wed 11/30/2005 12:27 PM
To: Discussion about mythtvSubject: Re: [mythtv-users] I'm thinking of switching to windows :(And drivers, and ...  I always set aside a minimum of 8 hours for mybiannual (that's twice a year, not biennial--once every two years)
Windows re-install of my gaming system and I don't have to install anyapps on that system save the one game I'm playing at the time.Not to mention the obviously-flawed Windows installer to which people
have grown so accustomed that they no longer seem to notice the flaws.You start the Windows install, you format your disk, it copies files, itreboots, and *then* it asks for the CD key.  Gee, thanks Microsoft, for
wiping my disk and preventing me from continuing to use my old OS beforeyou told me that some crook OEM sold me an unlicensed Windows CD with mycomputer.  (OK, this one has never happened to me, but still...  That's
basically imposing the death sentence without judge and jury.)So, the real flaw--that's always a problem--is the fact that there areat least three different points during the install at which the entire
process comes to a complete stop waiting for user input.  I was helpinga Windows fan-boy install FC4 and after it asked all the information itneeded and started downloading packages, I said, "Oh, wait.  We have a
problem.  I know you really like Windows, and many apps for FC4 aredesigned to work like those on Windows, but the installer doesn't.  Itwon't stop 45 minutes from now asking for more information, so when we
come back, the install will be complete."OK, not all Linux distros do their installers correctly, either--yes,this means you Ubuntu--but come on...  Does Microsoft really expect meto sit there in front of the installer reading their Windows XP ads for
45 minutes?  If so, you'd think they at least have enough ads that theydon't repeat throughout the install.And I won't even get into the installer loading drivers for everypossible piece of hardware before the installer can begin.  (Ever hear
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Re: [mythtv-users] I'm thinking of switching to windows :(

[Trent Albright]

I think it's important to make the distinction, even if it seems like
to you semantic bullying (Not to say the comment sounded like that to
me). On 11/30/05, Mike Wafkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Sorry for the misstep - I'm fully aware of the difference between freewareand OSS and anything else you can identify.I mistyped...geeze...Fact is tho, both packages are FREE for the user to use. Let's leave out the
politics of OSS vs. everything else pleeeze!MRW- Original Message -From: "Michael T. Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "Discussion about mythtv" <
mythtv-users@mythtv.org>Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:39 PMSubject: Re: [mythtv-users] I'm thinking of switching to windows :(> Mike Wafkowski wrote:
>> >I wan't recommending Windows over Linux, just saying that there is> >more than one way to "skin a cat." I love Mythtv and also GBPVR. They're> >both very good solutions (better than any others IMHO) and both are
> >freeware.> >> >> MythTV is definitely *not* freeware (> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeware ).  MythTV is open-source, FLOSS
> (Free/Libre Open Source Software), or libre software, and there is a big> difference.  Sure, MythTV is available for use free of charge, but who> cares?  The important thing is that *I'm* free to use it or modify it as
> I like.>> So, whereas GBPVR may be freeware (whatever it is, we know it's not open> source and is not libre software), MythTV is more "free-the-user-ware".>> Mike>
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RE: [mythtv-users] I'm thinking of switching to windows :(

[James C. Dastrup]

Just an off-topic tip:
 
My biannual Windows reinstall takes 5 minutes. Image a working
system up to your network, then image it down when you need to
rebuild. And if you use sysprep, then even any hardware changes
don't affect the image process. Or, put a sysprep'ed image on 
a DVD and just image it to any computer - you never need to
see the installation again. 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Michael T. Dean
Sent: Wed 11/30/2005 12:27 PM
To: Discussion about mythtv
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] I'm thinking of switching to windows :(

And drivers, and ...  I always set aside a minimum of 8 hours for my
biannual (that's twice a year, not biennial--once every two years)
Windows re-install of my gaming system and I don't have to install any
apps on that system save the one game I'm playing at the time.

Not to mention the obviously-flawed Windows installer to which people
have grown so accustomed that they no longer seem to notice the flaws. 
You start the Windows install, you format your disk, it copies files, it
reboots, and *then* it asks for the CD key.  Gee, thanks Microsoft, for
wiping my disk and preventing me from continuing to use my old OS before
you told me that some crook OEM sold me an unlicensed Windows CD with my
computer.  (OK, this one has never happened to me, but still...  That's
basically imposing the death sentence without judge and jury.)

So, the real flaw--that's always a problem--is the fact that there are
at least three different points during the install at which the entire
process comes to a complete stop waiting for user input.  I was helping
a Windows fan-boy install FC4 and after it asked all the information it
needed and started downloading packages, I said, "Oh, wait.  We have a
problem.  I know you really like Windows, and many apps for FC4 are
designed to work like those on Windows, but the installer doesn't.  It
won't stop 45 minutes from now asking for more information, so when we
come back, the install will be complete."

OK, not all Linux distros do their installers correctly, either--yes,
this means you Ubuntu--but come on...  Does Microsoft really expect me
to sit there in front of the installer reading their Windows XP ads for
45 minutes?  If so, you'd think they at least have enough ads that they
don't repeat throughout the install.

And I won't even get into the installer loading drivers for every
possible piece of hardware before the installer can begin.  (Ever hear
of auto-detection, MS?)

Mike

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Re: [mythtv-users] Distributing TV throughout house w/MythTV

[Trent Albright]

For your distributed frontends you can also give KnoppMyth a whirl, I'm using it as we speak and it works quite well for me:

http://mysettopbox.tv/On 11/30/05, Robert La Ferla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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