Re: [NetBehaviour] Ontological Banding

[Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour]

Hi Max,

No it wasn't thought of as me tv, at least I never heard that expression
used. It would have made more sense with CuSeeMe, but that's not flash.

Best, Alan -

On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 8:39 AM Max Herman via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've lost track of how or whether face is discussed in Alan's first post
> on this.  It was evoked for me by his post on his Meta incorporation
> concept from 1972 (?), in the "TV ME" aspect.  I have wondered whether
> flash video streaming was once thought of as "Me TV," which would have been
> too clear, straightforward, and first-person, then therefore changed to
> "You" and "conduit that rhymes with too."  The latter is more of a removal
> of agency with a promise to restore it back.  Similarly, does the social
> media company under criticism lately not acquire the user's face, so to
> speak, then offer to sell it back?  I know this sounds absurd but maybe
> it's been articulated better elsewhere.  The brand name seems probably to
> have started off as "yearbook," as in the paper book students sign for each
> other at the end of a high school year, but changed to remove the element
> of time.
>
> Of course, names of brands are not determinative but to what extent are
> they strategically chosen?  In either case, the question of selling a
> person's face back to them after you have acquired it somehow remains; and
> if there is a pattern what else could be in the process of being similarly
> acquired then sold back?  This could also be overstating the case on my
> part, a kind of commercial phobia, not sure.
>
> All best,
>
> Max
>
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> *Subject:* Re: [NetBehaviour] Ontological Banding
>
>
> Hi Anthony,
>
> That is a very interesting idea from Heydenreich, who I've never read and
> don't really know anything about though the name sounds familiar.  I did
> read somewhere that Leonardo's Arno Valley is sometimes considered the
> first true landscape, but I am too uneducated in art history to know if
> that holds true.  It would jibe with what I think I know of Leonardo, and I
> do know that he dated that sketch very prominently as in "I drew this
> sketch of the Arno Valley on October 27, 1481, signed, Leonardo da Vinci"
> or something like that which is atypical for him (and a little
> blockchainesque in that he used the "notarial" vocabulary of his father and
> grandfather who were notaries i.e. writers of official contracts).  One of
> my goals is to understand better if that sketch does qualify as the first
> landscape, because if it does it means a lot to how I would understand
> Leonardo.  I'll have to look up Heydenreich; one of the most interesting
> present-day scholars of Leonardo I've found is Joost Keizer of Groningen
> University.  He focuses a lot on Leonardo's use of word, text, and
> allegory, seeing a lot of very modern (as opposed to proto-modern) themes
> and structures.  I can't say if Keizer is 100% correct or not on all points
> -- who ever is -- but his assertions are definitely interesting.
>
> The idea of face as landscape is also super interesting.  I would be very
> curious to know if Deleuze wrote about the ML in particular,  but that idea
> is very prominent in the Leonardiana (i.e. that the person
> mirrors/echoes/reflects the rock and water landscape) which is a funny word
> that means "writings about Leonardo."
>
> Re this idea of face and landscape, it resonates with the interesting
> "Uninvited" project announced by Furtherfield as well as the rather
> dystopian morphisms of certain social media conglomerates in the news.
> Perhaps another correlation could be found between the "spirit of the
> tree," a kind of identity or perceptual counterpart, and the setting of
> Finsbury Park in the "Based on a Tree Story" project?
>
> I tend to range far too much on such comparisons but sometimes they are
> interesting or echo patterns that seem possibly relevant.  In the
> relatively cold climate I live in the leaves are all changing drastically
> this week and a couple of days of rain have brought a huge number to earth
> which are not yet raked up.  Tomorrow will be a mass festival of raking
> around hundreds of thousands of yards in silent synchrony.  I don't know
> why I like looking at these leaves around my block, in a sunny day after
> the

Re: [NetBehaviour] Ontological Banding

[Max Herman via NetBehaviour]

Hi all,

I've lost track of how or whether face is discussed in Alan's first post on 
this.  It was evoked for me by his post on his Meta incorporation concept from 
1972 (?), in the "TV ME" aspect.  I have wondered whether flash video streaming 
was once thought of as "Me TV," which would have been too clear, 
straightforward, and first-person, then therefore changed to "You" and "conduit 
that rhymes with too."  The latter is more of a removal of agency with a 
promise to restore it back.  Similarly, does the social media company under 
criticism lately not acquire the user's face, so to speak, then offer to sell 
it back?  I know this sounds absurd but maybe it's been articulated better 
elsewhere.  The brand name seems probably to have started off as "yearbook," as 
in the paper book students sign for each other at the end of a high school 
year, but changed to remove the element of time.

Of course, names of brands are not determinative but to what extent are they 
strategically chosen?  In either case, the question of selling a person's face 
back to them after you have acquired it somehow remains; and if there is a 
pattern what else could be in the process of being similarly acquired then sold 
back?  This could also be overstating the case on my part, a kind of commercial 
phobia, not sure.

All best,

Max


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Hi Anthony,

That is a very interesting idea from Heydenreich, who I've never read and don't 
really know anything about though the name sounds familiar.  I did read 
somewhere that Leonardo's Arno Valley is sometimes considered the first true 
landscape, but I am too uneducated in art history to know if that holds true.  
It would jibe with what I think I know of Leonardo, and I do know that he dated 
that sketch very prominently as in "I drew this sketch of the Arno Valley on 
October 27, 1481, signed, Leonardo da Vinci" or something like that which is 
atypical for him (and a little blockchainesque in that he used the "notarial" 
vocabulary of his father and grandfather who were notaries i.e. writers of 
official contracts).  One of my goals is to understand better if that sketch 
does qualify as the first landscape, because if it does it means a lot to how I 
would understand Leonardo.  I'll have to look up Heydenreich; one of the most 
interesting present-day scholars of Leonardo I've found is Joost Keizer of 
Groningen University.  He focuses a lot on Leonardo's use of word, text, and 
allegory, seeing a lot of very modern (as opposed to proto-modern) themes and 
structures.  I can't say if Keizer is 100% correct or not on all points -- who 
ever is -- but his assertions are definitely interesting.

The idea of face as landscape is also super interesting.  I would be very 
curious to know if Deleuze wrote about the ML in particular,  but that idea is 
very prominent in the Leonardiana (i.e. that the person mirrors/echoes/reflects 
the rock and water landscape) which is a funny word that means "writings about 
Leonardo."

Re this idea of face and landscape, it resonates with the interesting 
"Uninvited" project announced by Furtherfield as well as the rather dystopian 
morphisms of certain social media conglomerates in the news.  Perhaps another 
correlation could be found between the "spirit of the tree," a kind of identity 
or perceptual counterpart, and the setting of Finsbury Park in the "Based on a 
Tree Story" project?

I tend to range far too much on such comparisons but sometimes they are 
interesting or echo patterns that seem possibly relevant.  In the relatively 
cold climate I live in the leaves are all changing drastically this week and a 
couple of days of rain have brought a huge number to earth which are not yet 
raked up.  Tomorrow will be a mass festival of raking around hundreds of 
thousands of yards in silent synchrony.  I don't know why I like looking at 
these leaves around my block, in a sunny day after the rain yesterday, maybe 
because they are unusual colors?  My cat for example climbed on a neighbor's 
fence right next to a shrub with bright red leaves which was nice.  I don't see 
a face in these trees per se but I do see a kind of friend, something I'm glad 
to see again, something that means something, and maybe I like that it is 
non-digital and non-electronic to remind me that I and perhaps all life are 
also partly that?

There could be a relation between the "intelligence" that imagines or images 
the environment and what that environment becomes, but also vice versa which 
Leonardo recommended very vociferously in quotations like:

"Though human ingenuity may make

Re: [NetBehaviour] Ontological Banding

[Meredith Finkelstein Chang via NetBehaviour]

th the individual and the general universal or environmental properties
> of the latter.  But it's very slow going and still no more than a hobby.
>
> All best,
>
> Max
>
>
> ----------
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> behalf of Anthony Stephenson via NetBehaviour <
> netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 29, 2021 10:23 AM
> *To:* netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org <
> netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org>
> *Cc:* Anthony Stephenson 
> *Subject:* Re: [NetBehaviour] Ontological Banding
>
> Hello Max,
> Your continuing investigation into La Giocondo made me break open my
> only book on Leonardo. An interesting aside is something Ludwig
> Heydenreich once pointed out that Leonardo's sketch of the Arno valley
> (https://fineartamerica.com/featured/arno-landscape-leonardo-da-vinci.html
> )
> is "The first true landscape in art." But as far as ATP is concerned,
> you might want to check out the chapter (plateau) on faciality: '...
> the face has a correlate of great importance: the landscape, which is
> not just a milieu but a deterritorialized world. There are a number of
> face-landscape correlations,
> on this "higher" level. ... Painting takes up the same movement but
> also reverses it, positioning a landscape as a face, treating one like
> the other ...'
> --
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Ontological Banding

[Max Herman via NetBehaviour]

Hi Anthony,

That is a very interesting idea from Heydenreich, who I've never read and don't 
really know anything about though the name sounds familiar.  I did read 
somewhere that Leonardo's Arno Valley is sometimes considered the first true 
landscape, but I am too uneducated in art history to know if that holds true.  
It would jibe with what I think I know of Leonardo, and I do know that he dated 
that sketch very prominently as in "I drew this sketch of the Arno Valley on 
October 27, 1481, signed, Leonardo da Vinci" or something like that which is 
atypical for him (and a little blockchainesque in that he used the "notarial" 
vocabulary of his father and grandfather who were notaries i.e. writers of 
official contracts).  One of my goals is to understand better if that sketch 
does qualify as the first landscape, because if it does it means a lot to how I 
would understand Leonardo.  I'll have to look up Heydenreich; one of the most 
interesting present-day scholars of Leonardo I've found is Joost Keizer of 
Groningen University.  He focuses a lot on Leonardo's use of word, text, and 
allegory, seeing a lot of very modern (as opposed to proto-modern) themes and 
structures.  I can't say if Keizer is 100% correct or not on all points -- who 
ever is -- but his assertions are definitely interesting.

The idea of face as landscape is also super interesting.  I would be very 
curious to know if Deleuze wrote about the ML in particular,  but that idea is 
very prominent in the Leonardiana (i.e. that the person mirrors/echoes/reflects 
the rock and water landscape) which is a funny word that means "writings about 
Leonardo."

Re this idea of face and landscape, it resonates with the interesting 
"Uninvited" project announced by Furtherfield as well as the rather dystopian 
morphisms of certain social media conglomerates in the news.  Perhaps another 
correlation could be found between the "spirit of the tree," a kind of identity 
or perceptual counterpart, and the setting of Finsbury Park in the "Based on a 
Tree Story" project?

I tend to range far too much on such comparisons but sometimes they are 
interesting or echo patterns that seem possibly relevant.  In the relatively 
cold climate I live in the leaves are all changing drastically this week and a 
couple of days of rain have brought a huge number to earth which are not yet 
raked up.  Tomorrow will be a mass festival of raking around hundreds of 
thousands of yards in silent synchrony.  I don't know why I like looking at 
these leaves around my block, in a sunny day after the rain yesterday, maybe 
because they are unusual colors?  My cat for example climbed on a neighbor's 
fence right next to a shrub with bright red leaves which was nice.  I don't see 
a face in these trees per se but I do see a kind of friend, something I'm glad 
to see again, something that means something, and maybe I like that it is 
non-digital and non-electronic to remind me that I and perhaps all life are 
also partly that?

There could be a relation between the "intelligence" that imagines or images 
the environment and what that environment becomes, but also vice versa which 
Leonardo recommended very vociferously in quotations like:

"Though human ingenuity may make various inventions which, by the help of 
various machines answering the same end, it will never devise any inventions 
more beautiful, nor more simple, nor more to the purpose than Nature does; 
because in her inventions nothing is wanting, and nothing is superfluous, and 
she needs no counterpoise when she makes limbs proper for motion in the bodies 
of animals. But she puts into them the soul of the body, which forms them that 
is the soul of the mother which first constructs in the womb the form of the 
man and in due time awakens the soul that is to inhabit it."

I'm also trying to learn about how Renaissance (or "early modern") poetry 
including Dante related the face to the overall inner being, often using the 
metaphor of a balcony, situating the former as a venue transmitting both the 
individual and the general universal or environmental properties of the latter. 
 But it's very slow going and still no more than a hobby.

All best,

Max



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Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Ontological Banding

Hello Max,
Your continuing investigation into La Giocondo made me break open my
only book on Leonardo. An interesting aside is something Ludwig
Heydenreich once pointed out that Leonardo's sketch of the Arno valley
(https://fineartamerica.com/featured/arno-landscape-leonardo-da-vinci.html)
is "The first true landscape in art." But as far as ATP is concerned,
you might want to check out the chapter (platea

Re: [NetBehaviour] Ontological Banding

[Anthony Stephenson via NetBehaviour]

Hello Max,
Your continuing investigation into La Giocondo made me break open my
only book on Leonardo. An interesting aside is something Ludwig
Heydenreich once pointed out that Leonardo's sketch of the Arno valley
(https://fineartamerica.com/featured/arno-landscape-leonardo-da-vinci.html)
is "The first true landscape in art." But as far as ATP is concerned,
you might want to check out the chapter (plateau) on faciality: '...
the face has a correlate of great importance: the landscape, which is
not just a milieu but a deterritorialized world. There are a number of
face-landscape correlations,
on this "higher" level. ... Painting takes up the same movement but
also reverses it, positioning a landscape as a face, treating one like
the other ...'
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[Max Herman via NetBehaviour]

 and simple, perhaps, in some ways.  As Rhea mentioned 
earlier this year, I believe, what are the incentives?

In any case, I don't know for sure if the above comparison of the Mona Lisa to 
the excerpt you cited is legitimate in any way.  Deleuze may have written 
elsewhere something like "none of my ideas or concepts should be attributed to 
the Renaissance in any way because it was too undeveloped."  This would 
resemble what Hegel said about indigenous culture, that it had no self and no 
consciousness because it lacked the terminology of his own "descriptive 
discourse."  (And maybe Deleuze wrote the opposite.)  However I would ask, even 
if he wrote the former statement, would not the claim still be subject to 
falsification?  An author doesn't necessarily get to choose what their work 
means or relates to.  Even if Deleuze hated and detested the Mona Lisa he might 
still have been a direct downstream consequence of it, or a highly similar 
tributary of the same present, like it or not.

Mostly what interests me is whether anyone else sees or can entertain the 
possibility of such parallels.  The human capacity for projection could well be 
infinite or practically so, and all such parallels fabricated from whole cloth. 
 Yet to say that any "modern" awareness beyond a childlike kind of ABC's 
discerned prior to 1600 (or 1980) is never more than mere projection is not, I 
would venture, always a priori correct.  Modernity itself might be more 
relative and less chronological than it cares to admit.

Quickly in regards to Rhea's book project, could the blocks of blockchain be 
compared to geology, and some other analog factor to water?  That might be 
absurd.

All best,

Max

PS -- Very interesting and fun to see Alan's almost 50 year old Meta!  The new 
case of it seems more like an infernal twin, but no one ever said time couldn't 
go backward.  




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Consider:
"... On the intensive continuum, the

strata fashion forms and form matters into substances. In combined emissions,

they make the distinction between expressions and contents, units of

expression and units of content, for example, signs and particles. In 
conjunctions,

they separate flows, assigning them relative movements and

diverse territorialities, relative deterritorializations and complementary

reterritorializations. Thus the strata set up everywhere double articulations

animated by movements: forms and substances of content and forms

and substances of expression constituting segmentary multiplicities with

relations that are determinable in every case. Such are the strata. Each stratum

is a double articulation of content and expression, both of which are

really distinct and in a state of reciprocal presupposition. Content and

expression intermingle, and it is two-headed machinic assemblages that

place their segments in relation. What varies from stratum to stratum is the

nature of the real distinction between content and expression, the nature of

the substances as formed matters, and the nature of the relative movements.

We may make a summary distinction between three major types of

real distinction: the real-formal distinction between orders of magnitude,

with the establishment of a resonance of expression (induction); the

real-real distinction between different subjects, with the establishment of

a linearity of expression (transduction); and the real-essential distinction

between different attributes or categories, with the establishment of a

superlinearity of expression (translation)."
A Thousand Plateaus p.79


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[Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour]

Alarming it is and breathtaking as well. The desiccation of the Great Salt
Lake doesn't affect drinking water or the cities directly; it's far too
saline. But the wider ecosystem as a whole, of course, and hopefully fires
and storms won't increase in ferocity in the N.American west in general -

Best, Alan

On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 1:18 PM Edward Picot via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:

> Alan, I skimmed through the video, but the landscapes are completely
> breathtaking - and at the same time, the dryness of the landscape looks
> very harsh and alarming.
>
> Edward
>
>
> On 28/10/2021 05:14, Alan Sondheim wrote:
> >
> >
> > Ontological Banding
> >
> > http://www.alansondheim.org/banding2.jpg
> > https://youtu.be/oWgD6V8t_zA video
> > http://www.alansondheim.org/banding1.jpg
> >
> > So this is referencing and returning to the great Salt Lake in
> > Utah and we have traveled there to look at the extent of the
> > damage done find E drought that is in so many parts of the
> > United states at the moment . This is dictated which means there
> > is a limitation to what I am saying in an expansion to what I am
> > not saying. I stop and take a sip of coffee. All of these images
> > and videos that you might or might not see or the result of a
> > trip to the Saltair area great Salt Lake today . We have been
> > there before. We have been there quite a few times period this
> > time it was to look at to drive flats that's around the
> > contracting lake . When interest me in all of this is that
> > traces of animal and plant life. But also the horizontal.
> > Horizontal is critical it lies in bands . I use the boatswain's
> > whistle to create very high pitch tones very loud tones they
> > were then reflected off the building and came back to me and
> > perhaps to you . They echo and reverberate after palace of the
> > Saltair . There were birds in the distance. We've identified
> > them as a form of green. As a form of grief. As a form of grebe.
> > You see the dictation itself references other things dash and
> > expansion of language and a contraction of reference . The great
> > Salt Lake itself contracts and expands. Its usual depth is 33
> > feet. It's current depth which was a record at the time back
> > when is 23 feet. In less there is heavy rain and snow in the
> > catchments we will again be going for a new record lower instead
> > of just equaling the older one. When I say quote we quote will
> > again be going for a new record and so forth I'm aligning myself
> > with a false knowledge. I know every little about the geology,
> > biology, and ecology of the Great Salt Lake. I am not from here.
> > I have no history here. Given dad karma given that, I am really
> > riding on echo- collocations of recognitions from other sides ,
> > other places and in fact other worlds . I stopped to take a
> > drink of coffee . I look out where the capitals are here and
> > realize I will have to return to return them to their proper
> > grammar grammatical positioning.  The light's boundaries expand
> > and collapse of course in relation to the weather in the
> > ecological conditions over a period of time .
> >
> > What I am most interested in, however, is the horizontal, bands
> > and interruptions, contusions, ephemera. So many markers of
> > history and traces of natural phenomena that may not be
> > "natural" at all in the landscape, in the land. The land is now
> > inconceivable without the construct of "civilizing" enterprise.
> > You can tell at this point that auto-dictate has crashed, voice
> > to text no longer exists, what you are hearing as you read this
> > in fact is the result of physical labor, typing on the landscape
> > of the keyboard, facing the horizon of the land.
> >
> > When I filmed and photographed today, I thought, this is the
> > perfect landscape for me - this is where my thinking belongs. (I
> > can't emphasize this enough.) I thought this and thought this
> > absolutely, thought which is lateral, punctuated, interrupted by
> > buildings and vectors of transportation, diacritical marks that
> > form the basis for my thinking, perhaps for thinking itself,
> > thinking without a body, thinking without a body (within a
> > body). That is it, no ontology, or ontology on the run, a form
> > of dromadology, the rush of thought. And so it is the rush of
> > thought : ontology = movement, not the ontology of movement nor
> > movement ontology, but movement as it would be said to itself.
> >
> > My thought (to which I lay no claim) is _ontology povera,_ not a
> > poor ontology, but one compressed, the result of debris, global
> > warming, striations, industrializations, remnants. The film -
> > for I think of it as such - is just that - _a band of remnants._
> >
> > It is not to be watched, or rather to be watched, in any order,
> > time forward fast flow backwards, or the still image of the
> > first or perhaps the last frame. It is the band cartoon musical
> > of 

Re: [NetBehaviour] Ontological Banding

[Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour]

Hi Anthony,

This resonates and doesn't for me; it's illuminating but it also seems too
neat, too schematic, too totalizing, too clear in a sense. I always have
difficulties with D and their language that way. But the resonance is
clear. Then in my writing (which isn't part of Plateaus in thought), I
have "_a band of remnants_" and I think of them as impossible or broken,
poor assemblages (thinking of the miserable chaos in Haiti for example),
the ecosystem which may disappear (but not yet and perhaps never) around
the Bear River Migratory Bird Refuge which is there where disaster may come
courting. And I/we were wandering this time around Saltair; it was all
clearly worrying -

Best, Alan, and thank you!

On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 12:57 PM Anthony Stephenson via NetBehaviour <
netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org> wrote:

> Consider:
> "... On the intensive continuum, the
>
> strata fashion forms and form matters into substances. In combined
> emissions,
>
> they make the distinction between expressions and contents, units of
>
> expression and units of content, for example, signs and particles. In
> conjunctions,
>
> they separate flows, assigning them relative movements and
>
> diverse territorialities, relative deterritorializations and complementary
>
> reterritorializations. Thus the strata set up everywhere double
> articulations
>
> animated by movements: forms and substances of content and forms
>
> and substances of expression constituting segmentary multiplicities with
>
> relations that are determinable in every case. Such are the strata. Each
> stratum
>
> is a double articulation of content and expression, both of which are
>
> really distinct and in a state of reciprocal presupposition. Content and
>
> expression intermingle, and it is two-headed machinic assemblages that
>
> place their segments in relation. What varies from stratum to stratum is
> the
>
> nature of the real distinction between content and expression, the nature
> of
>
> the substances as formed matters, and the nature of the relative movements.
>
> We may make a summary distinction between three major types of
>
> real distinction: the real-formal distinction between orders of magnitude,
>
> with the establishment of a resonance of expression (induction); the
>
> real-real distinction between different subjects, with the establishment of
>
> a linearity of expression (transduction); and the real-essential
> distinction
>
> between different attributes or categories, with the establishment of a
>
> superlinearity of expression (translation)."
> A Thousand Plateaus p.79
>
>
> --
>
> - *Anthony Stephenson*
>
>
>
> *http://anthonystephenson.org/ *
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[Edward Picot via NetBehaviour]

Alan, I skimmed through the video, but the landscapes are completely 
breathtaking - and at the same time, the dryness of the landscape looks 
very harsh and alarming.


Edward


On 28/10/2021 05:14, Alan Sondheim wrote:



Ontological Banding

http://www.alansondheim.org/banding2.jpg
https://youtu.be/oWgD6V8t_zA video
http://www.alansondheim.org/banding1.jpg

So this is referencing and returning to the great Salt Lake in
Utah and we have traveled there to look at the extent of the
damage done find E drought that is in so many parts of the
United states at the moment . This is dictated which means there
is a limitation to what I am saying in an expansion to what I am
not saying. I stop and take a sip of coffee. All of these images
and videos that you might or might not see or the result of a
trip to the Saltair area great Salt Lake today . We have been
there before. We have been there quite a few times period this
time it was to look at to drive flats that's around the
contracting lake . When interest me in all of this is that
traces of animal and plant life. But also the horizontal.
Horizontal is critical it lies in bands . I use the boatswain's
whistle to create very high pitch tones very loud tones they
were then reflected off the building and came back to me and
perhaps to you . They echo and reverberate after palace of the
Saltair . There were birds in the distance. We've identified
them as a form of green. As a form of grief. As a form of grebe.
You see the dictation itself references other things dash and
expansion of language and a contraction of reference . The great
Salt Lake itself contracts and expands. Its usual depth is 33
feet. It's current depth which was a record at the time back
when is 23 feet. In less there is heavy rain and snow in the
catchments we will again be going for a new record lower instead
of just equaling the older one. When I say quote we quote will
again be going for a new record and so forth I'm aligning myself
with a false knowledge. I know every little about the geology,
biology, and ecology of the Great Salt Lake. I am not from here.
I have no history here. Given dad karma given that, I am really
riding on echo- collocations of recognitions from other sides ,
other places and in fact other worlds . I stopped to take a
drink of coffee . I look out where the capitals are here and
realize I will have to return to return them to their proper
grammar grammatical positioning.  The light's boundaries expand
and collapse of course in relation to the weather in the
ecological conditions over a period of time .

What I am most interested in, however, is the horizontal, bands
and interruptions, contusions, ephemera. So many markers of
history and traces of natural phenomena that may not be
"natural" at all in the landscape, in the land. The land is now
inconceivable without the construct of "civilizing" enterprise.
You can tell at this point that auto-dictate has crashed, voice
to text no longer exists, what you are hearing as you read this
in fact is the result of physical labor, typing on the landscape
of the keyboard, facing the horizon of the land.

When I filmed and photographed today, I thought, this is the
perfect landscape for me - this is where my thinking belongs. (I
can't emphasize this enough.) I thought this and thought this
absolutely, thought which is lateral, punctuated, interrupted by
buildings and vectors of transportation, diacritical marks that
form the basis for my thinking, perhaps for thinking itself,
thinking without a body, thinking without a body (within a
body). That is it, no ontology, or ontology on the run, a form
of dromadology, the rush of thought. And so it is the rush of
thought : ontology = movement, not the ontology of movement nor
movement ontology, but movement as it would be said to itself.

My thought (to which I lay no claim) is _ontology povera,_ not a
poor ontology, but one compressed, the result of debris, global
warming, striations, industrializations, remnants. The film -
for I think of it as such - is just that - _a band of remnants._

It is not to be watched, or rather to be watched, in any order,
time forward fast flow backwards, or the still image of the
first or perhaps the last frame. It is the band cartoon musical
of the world. My role was just the recorder.

(Forgive my arrogance, O Beings of Sloppiness. I rush to
complete the thought before it is over; I am mistressmaster
of denouement. Should it end here? did the journey? Am I
still alive? You, my fixation, matters; you, may fixation,
matters at all.)

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Re: [NetBehaviour] Ontological Banding

[Anthony Stephenson via NetBehaviour]

Consider:
"... On the intensive continuum, the

strata fashion forms and form matters into substances. In combined
emissions,

they make the distinction between expressions and contents, units of

expression and units of content, for example, signs and particles. In
conjunctions,

they separate flows, assigning them relative movements and

diverse territorialities, relative deterritorializations and complementary

reterritorializations. Thus the strata set up everywhere double
articulations

animated by movements: forms and substances of content and forms

and substances of expression constituting segmentary multiplicities with

relations that are determinable in every case. Such are the strata. Each
stratum

is a double articulation of content and expression, both of which are

really distinct and in a state of reciprocal presupposition. Content and

expression intermingle, and it is two-headed machinic assemblages that

place their segments in relation. What varies from stratum to stratum is the

nature of the real distinction between content and expression, the nature of

the substances as formed matters, and the nature of the relative movements.

We may make a summary distinction between three major types of

real distinction: the real-formal distinction between orders of magnitude,

with the establishment of a resonance of expression (induction); the

real-real distinction between different subjects, with the establishment of

a linearity of expression (transduction); and the real-essential distinction

between different attributes or categories, with the establishment of a

superlinearity of expression (translation)."
A Thousand Plateaus p.79


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- *Anthony Stephenson*



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