Re: Fetching NetSurf
And Netsurf 3.0 (Dev C1 #463) now works well, so more thanks. Ditto here. Thanks for #463 Fetch_NS Excellent utility John - great time saver - many thanks Richard
Re: RISC OS: Squeezed executable
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 01:29:33PM +0100, Martin Bazley wrote:
The thing which is *really* annoying about using NetSurf on a USB drive
is the enormous amount of time it takes to quit - up to thirty seconds
on a bad day! This seems to be dependent on the amount of browsing done
beforehand. I've tried cleaning out the cookies and turning off history
collection, and that made it slightly better, but that can't be all of
it.
Get an OS with a better IO layer :)
The last time I examined NetSurf's log file after quitting I saw that
the lines which were taking up the vast majority of the time since the
quit request was received were a set of repeated calls to
bitmap_save_file(bitmap) in riscos/bitmap.c. This seems to be the result
of the following loop in bitmap_quit():
void bitmap_quit(void)
{
struct bitmap *bitmap;
for (bitmap = bitmap_head; bitmap; bitmap = bitmap-next)
if ((bitmap-state BITMAP_PERSISTENT)
((bitmap-state BITMAP_MODIFIED) ||
(bitmap-filename[0] == '\0')))
bitmap_save_file(bitmap);
}
I'm at a loss to understand exactly what 'bitmaps' NetSurf could have
'modified' in the course of the session, or where it's 'saving' them to.
All I know is that this is a horrendously inefficient operation!
They're probably the webpage thumbnails used in the history viewer. It
might be nice to have an option to disable this.
But NetSurf is not being inefficient here; RISC OS is.
B.
Re: Fetching NetSurf
On 14 Oct 2012 Richard Ashbery ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote: And Netsurf 3.0 (Dev C1 #463) now works well, so more thanks. Ditto here. Thanks for #463 Fetch_NS Excellent utility John - great time saver - many thanks Bewilderment continues here, I'm afraid. It seems that my previous download was corrupted somehow, and there's potential for it working on the ARMini, but it does nothing at all on VRPC running RISC OS 4.02. On the ARMini it's evident that cURL doesn't work, and falls over with the error message I posted upthread, but there are two oddities. Even though cURL is in Boot.Library, Fetch_NS reports: 14 Oct 13:48:25 000 00D6: Error from Fetch latest NetSurf: File 'curl' not found unless I open the library so that cURL is booted. Then I get the error message when cURL doesn't work, then a very odd message: 4 Oct 14:28:59 000 00CC: Error from (unknown): File name '.' not recognise, in spite of: *show Fetch$Dir Fetch$Dir : SCSI::armini.$.Internet.!Fetch_NS and if I do a Filer_OpenDir on SCSI::armini.$.Internet.!Fetch_NS.^ (without the trailing dot) the correct directory opens, but not if it does have the trailing dot. Has anyone found an ARMini-compatible cURL yet? And why should I get the above two error messages? Or is it just not something that will work with an ARMini? With best wishes, Peter (a.k.a. puzzled of Cheltenham). -- Peter \ / zfc Ta \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ ____ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: Fetching NetSurf
On 14 Oct 2012 Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: On 14 Oct 2012 Richard Ashbery ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote: And Netsurf 3.0 (Dev C1 #463) now works well, so more thanks. Ditto here. Thanks for #463 Fetch_NS Excellent utility John - great time saver - many thanks Bewilderment continues here, I'm afraid. But no longer! I took up Frank's suggestion of replacing cURL with wget, and it now works, very fast too; sorry to have wittered on so much! Also, I had been expecting task windows to open, which added to the mystification. If I can get a round tuit (or preferably someone who understands things better could get one of those), would there be interest in adding bits to the program, similar to the bits I had in my old script? What these did is: 1) Copy the old NetSurf as Old_NS (note the lack of pling) and then delete the old app. 2) Do sequential deletes and copies so that the last three zips are kept for backup. 3) Open the new zip and copy out the app to the directory in which the script is. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Ta \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ ____ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: RISC OS: Squeezed executable
On 13 Oct 2012, Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: [snip] I'd like some feedback on this. Specifically; - Are people noticing any difference in load times? SARPC / RISC OS 6.20: netsurf-2012-10-02_20-23-02 17 seconds NetSurf #461 15 seconds. RPCEmu 0.8.9 / RISC OS 4.39: netsurf-2012-10-02_20-23-02 11 seconds NetSurf #461 11 seconds NetSurf was dragged to the iconbar (to avoid the uncertain timing of a double-click) and loading timed using Alarm. Each result was consistent over several trials. Tony
Re: RISC OS: Squeezed executable
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 02:08:09PM +, Tony Moore wrote: On 13 Oct 2012, Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: [snip] I'd like some feedback on this. Specifically; - Are people noticing any difference in load times? SARPC / RISC OS 6.20: netsurf-2012-10-02_20-23-02 17 seconds NetSurf #461 15 seconds. RPCEmu 0.8.9 / RISC OS 4.39: netsurf-2012-10-02_20-23-02 11 seconds NetSurf #461 11 seconds Thanks! This is essentially what I was expecting. Good to see it also works under 6.20. B.
Re: Fetching NetSurf
In article a64c8dde52.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: unless I open the library so that cURL is booted. Are you putting the curl *binary* in to Boot:Library? If you are putting the !cURL *application* in Boot:Library it will not work because nothing in Boot:Library is booted at boot time. Either extract the cURL binary from the app and put in to Library or put the !cURL application in to eg Boot:Resources, where the app will be booted. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Fetching NetSurf
In article 8ff38ede52.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: would there be interest in adding bits to the program, similar to the bits I had in my old script? I have a script that does that and more, although I need to extend it to deal with the case when the latest version hasn't changed. Contact me privately in a day or so - I may have a round tuit by then. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Fetching NetSurf
On 14 Oct 2012 cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote: In article 8ff38ede52.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: would there be interest in adding bits to the program, similar to the bits I had in my old script? I have a script that does that and more, although I need to extend it to deal with the case when the latest version hasn't changed. Contact me privately in a day or so - I may have a round tuit by then. That sounds interesting, and I will do that. I was tempted to fiddle with my script, but you know what you're doing and I don't! That all assumes, though, that the other problems get sorted by then. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Ta \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ ____ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: Fetching NetSurf
On 14 Oct 2012 cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote: In article a64c8dde52.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: unless I open the library so that cURL is booted. Are you putting the curl *binary* in to Boot:Library? If you are putting the !cURL *application* in Boot:Library it will not work because nothing in Boot:Library is booted at boot time. Either extract the cURL binary from the app and put in to Library or put the !cURL application in to eg Boot:Resources, where the app will be booted. Yes, I wondered about that, and tried both ways; neither of them worked on the ARMini. Has anyone got cURL working on a similar machine? Even odder: I was able to make Fetch_NS work using wget before I had to go out. After coming back and re-starting the machine, it now fails again with the File name 'SCSI::armini.$.Internet.!Fetch_NS.^.. (I managed to garble this message upthread.) Please, someone, tell me what I'm doing wrong! I'll have to go out again later this evening, so won't have time for more experiments today. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Ta \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ ____ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: Fetching NetSurf
In article a64c8dde52.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: On 14 Oct 2012 Richard Ashbery ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote: And Netsurf 3.0 (Dev C1 #463) now works well, so more thanks. Ditto here. Thanks for #463 Fetch_NS Excellent utility John - great time saver - many thanks Bewilderment continues here, I'm afraid. It seems that my previous download was corrupted somehow, and there's potential for it working on the ARMini, but it does nothing at all on VRPC running RISC OS 4.02. Peter - what I didn't clarify is that John's utility and curl works correctly on the Iyonix (RISC OS 5.18) but not on BB (RISC OS 5.19). I get the same segmentation fault you highlighted earlier. Would be nice to see curl work on ARMv7. Richard
Re: Fetching NetSurf
In article 52de8f9e88ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk, cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote: In article a64c8dde52.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: unless I open the library so that cURL is booted. Are you putting the curl *binary* in to Boot:Library? If you are putting the !cURL *application* in Boot:Library it will not work because nothing in Boot:Library is booted at boot time. Either extract the cURL binary from the app and put in to Library or put the !cURL application in to eg Boot:Resources, where the app will be booted. Confirmed - !cURL application must be in Boot:Resources Excuse me butting in but on BB -xM (RISC OS 5.19) with !cURL application in Boot:Resources segmentation fault occurs as described in Peter's earlier posting. On my Iyonix (RISC OS 5.18) !cURL is in Boot:Resources and in conjunction with !Fetch_NS all works correctly without error. Regards Richard
Re: Fetching NetSurf
On 14 Oct 2012 Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: [snip] Even odder: I was able to make Fetch_NS work using wget before I had to go out. After coming back and re-starting the machine, it now fails again with the File name 'SCSI::armini.$.Internet.!Fetch_NS.^.. (I managed to garble this message upthread.) Please, someone, tell me what I'm doing wrong! The strangeness continues! I did a re-start, and now it works again! I would have a stiff drink if I didn't have to drive later :-) A friend insists that computers are full of fairy dust, and I'm beginning to believe her! With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Ta \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ ____ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: Fetching NetSurf
On 14 Oct 2012 Richard Ashbery ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote: In article a64c8dde52.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: On 14 Oct 2012 Richard Ashbery ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote: And Netsurf 3.0 (Dev C1 #463) now works well, so more thanks. Ditto here. Thanks for #463 Fetch_NS Excellent utility John - great time saver - many thanks Bewilderment continues here, I'm afraid. It seems that my previous download was corrupted somehow, and there's potential for it working on the ARMini, but it does nothing at all on VRPC running RISC OS 4.02. Peter - what I didn't clarify is that John's utility and curl works correctly on the Iyonix (RISC OS 5.18) but not on BB (RISC OS 5.19). I get the same segmentation fault you highlighted earlier. Would be nice to see curl work on ARMv7. Thanks, and agreed, but wget is doing the business for me now, at least some of the time! If I felt stronger, I might have tried cURL under Aemulor. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Ta \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ ____ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: Fetching NetSurf
In article 52de9a64e1ris...@gotadsl.co.uk, Richard Ashbery ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote: Peter - what I didn't clarify is that John's utility and curl works correctly on the Iyonix (RISC OS 5.18) but not on BB (RISC OS 5.19). I get the same segmentation fault you highlighted earlier. The current version of cURL will not run on the BB. As mentioned by Frank, use wget instead - that works fine on the BB (ARMini). I guess cURL simply needs a recompile with ARMv7 friendly flags. -- Chris Johnson
Re: RISC OS: Squeezed executable
On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:31:48 +0100, Rob Kendrick wrote: I'm at a loss to understand exactly what 'bitmaps' NetSurf could have 'modified' in the course of the session, or where it's 'saving' them to. All I know is that this is a horrendously inefficient operation! They're probably the webpage thumbnails used in the history viewer. It might be nice to have an option to disable this. Is this a RISC OS-only feature, as thumbnails get lost here after quitting? Chris
Re: RISC OS: Squeezed executable
In article out-507b039f.md-1.4.17.chris.yo...@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk, Chris Young chris.yo...@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:31:48 +0100, Rob Kendrick wrote: Is this a RISC OS-only feature, as thumbnails get lost here after quitting? Yes, but it's broken on RISC OS anyway. -- Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
Re: Fetching NetSurf
In message 52dea12cebch...@chris-johnson.org.uk cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote: In article 52de9a64e1ris...@gotadsl.co.uk, Richard Ashbery ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote: Peter - what I didn't clarify is that John's utility and curl works correctly on the Iyonix (RISC OS 5.18) but not on BB (RISC OS 5.19). I get the same segmentation fault you highlighted earlier. The current version of cURL will not run on the BB. As mentioned by Frank, use wget instead - that works fine on the BB (ARMini). I guess cURL simply needs a recompile with ARMv7 friendly flags. I run an Iyonix 5.18 and I hope one day some one will make sense of all this fetching stuff and how people like me can make use of it. Totally lost from Middlesbrough, Alan --
Re: Fetching NetSurf
In article 52dea1b6e3ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk, cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote: Well, I now have a modified version of 'Fetch_NS' that works fine on the ARMini. In addition to actually fetching the latest release (if there is one) it will quit NetSurf, rotate the 4 previous backup versions I like to keep many recent versions so I can retrospectively pinpoint when a change in behaviour occured - between version ? and ?. This is because one may not always immediately find a problem - only when one visits a particular site. Being able to specify a last version which worked may be useful to the developers in isolating a change which caused it. Just my opinion! John
