[newbie-it] Scanner Mustek 600 CP

2001-03-03 Thread Massimo

Tempo f si  parlato di questo Scanner  saltato fuori qualcosa per la sua
installazione su Mandrake 7.2 ?








Re: [newbie-it] Windows sotto linux

2001-03-03 Thread Flavio Bosio

Il 22:49, venerd 02 marzo 2001, scrivesti:
 lo shareware ke c' sul sito www.vmware.com 
 un'esperienza sconvolgente... come vorrei avere una
 skeda multiprocessore!

Una cos potrebbe andare??

M/B MICROSTAR  MS-6321 ATX ChipSet VIA 694D PRO AR , AGP slot 4X, support 
200MHz FSB e 3.3V PC133 SDRAM , DUAL Socket FCPGA for  PENTIUM III FCPGA e 
Celeron PPGA CPU, Audio on board + ATA 100

supporta fino al PIII 933 e costa meno di 400.000 Iva inclusa!






 buon divertimento

 Paolo

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Re: [newbie-it] GeForce2 MX HELP!

2001-03-03 Thread Tommaso Leddi

Il 12:02, venerd 02 marzo 2001, scrivesti:
 Salve a tutti, ho un problemino che forse qualcuno di voi pu aiutarmi a
 risolvere.
 Ho una scheda grafica basata su GForce2 MX e una distribuzione Mandrake
 7.2. Ho scaricato il driver e il modulo del kernel (che ho opportunamente
 ricompilato per la mia distribuzione).

Anch'io ne ho una (sparkle nVIDIA).
Sulla scatola c'era scritto "System and Linux", fiducioso di questa scritta 
non ho cercato driver e moduli. In effetti funziona bene, non so se al 
massimo delle possibilit.

Tommaso





Re: [newbie] How long till Mandrake posts KDE2.1 Stable?

2001-03-03 Thread Alan Shoemaker

Romanator wrote:
 Hi everybody,

 Well.. Still now posting from Mandrake for KDE2.1 Final
 Release. How much longer it will take?
 I wonder why the other distributors have there ftp site
 downloads already available?

Roman/everybodyyou can find the below announcement in a 
README file on the KDE ftp site at:

http://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/latest/distribution/rpm/Mandrake/7.2/
 
The KDE packages for Linux-Mandrake 7.2 are still under 
preparation
and testing. They should be available by Wednesday 07-March.
Sorry for the delay - we do want them well-working and 
well-tested :)

Note that packages for cooker (the development version of 
Mandrake-8.0)
are already available, in the cooker mirrors. Do not use them 
with
Mandrake 7.2.

David Faure [EMAIL PROTECTED]
David Baudens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- 
Alan




Re: [newbie] imwheel

2001-03-03 Thread Dan LaBine

Patrick, During a normal bootup, you can press "Shift" key and the Letter "I" 
(eye not ell) , and go into the interactive mode. Go to a text interface, 
login as root, and run "mouseconfig" . It will select the mouse for you and 
everything should run fine. Run the  "shutdown -r now" command and when you 
get to your desktop everything shoud work. 

On Saturday 03 March 2001 00:57, you wrote:
 Previous message didn't post - must have made a boo-boo???

 Okay, I'm not getting this right. How about a kick in the right
 direction? I have edited the XF86Config file per the instructions I have

 (ZaxisMapping  4 5, Protocol IMPS/2) from the MandrakeUser.org pages.
 Tested it by running imwheel in konsole. Works fine. Now I wish to have
 imwheel automatically during X startup. The instructions (and the 3
 books I have) are unclear on the following:

 "Restart X, run imwheel and everything should work fine. If it does, you

 should add this command to your '.xinitrc' or '.xsessionrc' to have it
 executed automatically on every X startup."

 Okay, no problem. Works fine. But - exactly WHAT command am I adding to
 the .xinitrc file? I have tried imwheel, /etc/X11/imwheel,
 /etc/X11/imwheelrc, exec imwheel, exec /etc/X11/imwheel. Does it matter
 where I add it? Does it matter how I add it? What basic fact am I
 missing here?

 Thankx

 Pat the Rat

-- 
Dan LaBine

Registered Linux User #190712





[newbie] loading apache at boot time

2001-03-03 Thread jhun bacala



Hello! everybody,

I have a Linux-Mandrake 7.0 and that it has an 
Apache server built in to it. but I decided to download an Apache Server from 
Apache's site and install it to my Mandrake box, My problem is that everytime I 
reboot my computer I have to manually load the apache that I've download and 
install and kill the exsisting Apache server.How do I tell my Mandrake box 
to load the Apache that I've downloaded and not the one that that is built on to 
it.? Thanks
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Re: [newbie] loading apache at boot time

2001-03-03 Thread Dan LaBine

Jhun; Log in to your PC as "root". Open a console/terminal. run "kpackage". 
Click on "File", "Find Package" , and type in "apache". You should find up to 
8 entries by continously clicking the "find" button. In the proiper sequence, 
un-install each package one at a time. The sequence of the un-install depends 
on which apache packages you have installed. Each one that generates an error 
will tell you which package(s) it depends upon. Un-install those packages 
first, then un-install the dependant packages. Make sure that you have the 
newset versions of the new apache packages before un-installing anything! 
( they can be found at www.rpmfind.net, or www.webmin.org ). Save a copy of 
your web-site material first! Install the new apache packages (again in the 
order determined by dependancies, and restart your PC/Server. Use webmin to 
configure the new apache. Your done!


On Saturday 03 March 2001 06:10, you wrote:

  Hello! everybody,

 I have a Linux-Mandrake 7.0 and that it has an Apache server built in to
 it.. but I decided to download an Apache Server from Apache's site and
 install it to my Mandrake box, My problem is that everytime I reboot my
 computer I have to manually load the apache that I've download and install
 and kill the exsisting Apache server. How do I tell my Mandrake box to load
 the Apache that I've downloaded and not the one that that is built on to
 it.? Thanks. -
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 http://www.gohip.com/free_video/


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Re: [newbie] Installing a netgear FA311 NIC...help!!!

2001-03-03 Thread Ed Tharp

first step... go into bios setup and set plug and pray aware OS to NO. this
should not effect your windows as it will still find the cards, but they
will be initialized by the BIOS instead of the OS.
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 4:22 PM
Subject: [newbie] Installing a netgear FA311 NIC...help!!!


 Operating system: Mandrake 7.2
 Network Card(NIC): Netgear FA311

 I've tried several times to install this card. No luck as of yet. I am
 new to linux/unix. The drivers that came with this NIC are not as up
 to date as the kernel for Mandrake 7.2 is apparently "too new." I've
 contacted Netgear on this and they basically said that I was S.O.L.
 Anyone know where I CAN download newer drivers that WILL work? And if
 so, would someone mind giving this newbie STEP BY STEP directions on
 how to install them? I've trying this for over 2 months now. Any help
 would be MORE than appreciated!!! Thanks in advance!!!

 -christopher








[newbie] Mandrake 8.0 beta 1

2001-03-03 Thread Pascal Poirier

Just wondering if anyone has given it a try?

I know its not super stable but how unstable is it?  I don't want it
crashing all the time but I have nothing mission critical.  I want some of
the usb support along with some of the new packages and figure it may be
easier (and possibly less hassle with package conflicts) to give 8.0 a
try.

So exactly how stable or unstable is this beta release for anyone who has
given it a try?


Pascal Poirier 8^)
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[newbie] Linux-mandrake 7.2 installation problem

2001-03-03 Thread SupMP3

 I am having trouble installing linux.
My PC has 128 MB of ram but only
126MB are detected. When I try to
install linux i get the following
message, "error mounting
ramdisk" Can i solve this problem
without changing my memory chip?
Thanks .




[newbie] lost+found

2001-03-03 Thread Jack Gillis

I have a bunch of lost+found's scattered over my HD.  Is it safe to remove 
them?  If so, I suppose it has to be done as root since the system put 
them there.  How about the directory itself?

Thank you.





Re: [newbie] Kernel 2.4

2001-03-03 Thread Tom Brinkman

On Friday 02 March 2001 10:18 pm, Robert Reed wrote:
 Is it wise to upgrade to Kernel 2.4, or just wait for
 Mandrake 8.0?

 That really depends on you.  Do you need something that 2.4.x 
provides?   ...or do you want a 2.4.x just for the fun of it? Either 
reason or anything inbetween is valid, but you'll need to do a little 
more than with a 2.2.x upgrade.

 You'll need to compile rather than just install the binary rpm 
upgrade to maintain complete LM 7.x functionality.  I recommend using
kernel-doc-2.4.2-4mdk
kernel-headers-2.4.2-4mdk
kernel-source-2.4.2-4mdk   or newer (eg, -5mdk). Older patch levels 
had some quirks.  Use the kernel upgrade instructions at 
mandrakeuser.org  You'll also need to uprade to  'modutils-2.4.2-2mdk' 
and  'ppp-2.4.0-3mdk' or newer.  I use the cooker src rpms, and rebuild 
'em on my 7.2 system.

Some things to watch for during config (eg, 'make xconfig'):
enable (Y), '2.2 ... style ipchains' so that you can still use apps 
like PMfirewall, or to retain your present ipchains firewall. Enable 
(Y) vfat support if you dual boot Windoze.  Leave 'supermount' and 
'ReiserFS' as modules if you use those. 

Also, BEFORE you boot any 2.4.x kernel, you need to edit 
/etc/rc.d/init.d/mandrake_everytime   and change the location of 
'supermount.o' to the new location that 2.4.x kernels use (eg,   
/lib/modules/2.4.2 version/kernel/fs/supermount/supermount.o  ).
If you don't do this 'supermount' will be disabled and your 'fstab' 
will be overwritten.  Keep in mind that booting a 2.2.x kernel after 
doing this edit will also disable supermount and overwrite fstab.
So make a bakup copy of your current /etc/fstab in the event you want 
to go back to 2.2.x  (and read 'man supermount')

   If you have any ramdisk requirements (almost everybody does), don't 
forget to run 'mkinitrd' as per the mandrakeuser.org instructions.
If you followed mandrakeuser's advice on 'Makefile' edits, and also 
used their suggested steps (particularly 'make install') to compile the 
kernel and modules, then all the proper files and links are installed 
for you in /boot.  Just check lilo or grub, and boot your new kernel.

If you haven't got the slightest idea about all the above, then 
it's prob'ly wise to wait for Mandrake 8.0  ;
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 he's won his 8th and  His Greatest Championship
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Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.0 beta 1

2001-03-03 Thread HNelson130
  
Hi All:
 
I use the instructions from Mandrakeuser.org to setup my cdroms because 7.2 
would allow me access to them,since I have 2 cdroms and 2 harddrives.One of 
my newbie friends,Hen,gave me his setup details that worked for him,and in 
part,they worked for me.But.rather then getting the denied access error I get 
"11(sigsegv) "error when I try to get into the cdroms or harddrives.

Anybody ever had the same problem,if so, can you help me.Thanks.
...

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
newbie#207672


Re: [newbie] Kernel 2.4

2001-03-03 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

THe 2.2 kernel series is tried and proven. You should only really 
upgrade to Kernel 2.4 if you know what you're doing, i.e. you know how 
to compile a kernel.


On Sat,  3 Mar 2001 15:18, Robert Reed wrote:
 Is it wise to upgrade to Kernel 2.4, or just wait for
 Mandrake 8.0?

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Re: [newbie] imwheel

2001-03-03 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

For GNOME, you can put the command (imwheel) into the startup section 
of the Control Centre. For KDE, there is an Autostart directory that 
runs everything in it at startup - just make a link there. If you use 
XFree86 4.x, the you don't need imwheel at all, just the XF86Config 
file settings.


On Fri,  2 Mar 2001 17:53, Patrick wrote:
 Okay, I'm not getting this right. How about a kick in the right
 direction? I have edited the XF86Config file per the instructions I
 have (ZaxisMapping  4 5, Protocol IMPS/2) from the MandrakeUser.org
 pages. Tested it by running imwheel in konsole. Works fine. Now I
 wish to have imwheel automatically during X startup. The
 instructions (and the 3 books I have) are unclear on the following:

 "Restart X, run imwheel and everything should work fine. If it does,
 you should add this command to your '.xinitrc' or '.xsessionrc' to
 have it executed automatically on every X startup."

 Okay, no problem. Works fine. But - exactly WHAT command am I adding
 to the .xinitrc file? I have tried imwheel, /etc/X11/imwheel,
 /etc/X11/imwheelrc, exec imwheel, exec /etc/X11/imwheel. Does it
 matter where I add it? Does it matter how I add it? What basic fact
 am I missing here?

 Thankx

 Pat the Rat

-- 
Sridhar Dhanapalan.
"There are two major products that come from Berkeley:
LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
-- Jeremy S. Anderson




[newbie] SCSI Card Install

2001-03-03 Thread Bob








I saw in some posts in the last few weeks
the setup details for a SCSI Card and I thought I printed them out, but now I
can’t find them. If one out you fine folks would be so kind as to re-post them,
I would be very grateful.



Thanks in advance..








Re: [newbie] What's wrong with my DVD?

2001-03-03 Thread Richard T. Waters

I just finished getting this to work.

Here's what I had to do:

1) First get the links corrected for your two drives (CDRW and DVD).  You can
check the answer that helped me from the expert mail list archive at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/msg31476.html.

2) Next decide what software you are going to use for DVD.
I chose XINE.  You can get the official release from
http://xine.sourceforge.net/.

If you want a version that will play commercial DVD's you can go to
http://gape.ist.utl.pt/ment00/linuxdvd.html

3) Before installing XINE I needed to be running XFree86  version 4.x. Even
though I had selected this during my mandrake install, it was not what I was
running.
The details and corrective actions can be found at:
http://www.thehaus.net/AltOS/Linux/ht-xfree4nvidia-mdk72.shtml.

a more detailled version can be found at:
http://members.home.net/linuxfrog/nvidia.html

(This information also has a lot of data about the NVIDIA graphics drivers,
which you can ignore if you don't need).
(Also, I did not have to follow all of the steps.  I followed the instructions
for removing the version 3 rpm files, then removed the version 4 server rpm,
reinstalled it and changed the links.  I am not sure why I had  to remove and
re-install the version 4 server, but my attempt to create the symbolic link
failed before I tried this).

4) You need to have the link to the DVD drive set as /dev/dvd and not /dev/cdrom
or /dev/cdrom2.  You can either take care of this as part of step 1 or now.

5) Make sure the dvd drive is set to use DMA.  hdparm -d /dev/hdd will let you
know if this is on.  If not hdparm -d1 /dev/hdd should correct this.  read the
man page for hdparm before trying it.

6) Now you should be all set to install XINE and give it a whirl.

You can also set the dvd as a raw device if your system is too slow.  I didn't
see an improvement, but hey - I'm still trying to figure this whole thing out.

For XINE you can check some of the FAQS, the XINE mailing list, or the IRC
channel mentioned on their home page for more support.




Matt Schroeder wrote:

 I have been running Mandrake 7.2 Kernel 2.2.17 and at bootup I see that my
 DVD is assigned to dev/hdd (Pioneer 6X)

 Yet when I try to use the DVD drive for a cdrom it does nothing and says the
 device doesn't exist.  What didn't I do to get it to work?  I try to mount
 it and it never works...

 In /mnt I have cdrom and cdrom2 but for all I know these may be both links
 to my master cd which is an HP 8100 CDRW

 I want to get dvd's playing on this thing.

 Actually I'd like the drive to work period.  As of now it's as if it isn't
 there.

 I've looked all over for how to do this and even the latest 4 inch thick
 books have like 4 sentences on getting a DVD drive to run.

 --Matt





Re: [newbie] imwheel

2001-03-03 Thread Patrick

I tried the Autostart  directory before and ended up with the imwheelrc
text file opened.  I will try again.  I will also try the interactive
bootup suggestion made by Mssr. LaBine. However - as to my original
question : IF I wanted to enter the command (imwheel) into the .xinitrc
file, what format would it take and where would I locate it?

Pat the Rat

Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:

 For GNOME, you can put the command (imwheel) into the startup section
 of the Control Centre. For KDE, there is an Autostart directory that
 runs everything in it at startup - just make a link there. If you use
 XFree86 4.x, the you don't need imwheel at all, just the XF86Config
 file settings.

 On Fri,  2 Mar 2001 17:53, Patrick wrote:
  Okay, I'm not getting this right. How about a kick in the right
  direction? I have edited the XF86Config file per the instructions I
  have (ZaxisMapping  4 5, Protocol IMPS/2) from the MandrakeUser.org
  pages. Tested it by running imwheel in konsole. Works fine. Now I
  wish to have imwheel automatically during X startup. The
  instructions (and the 3 books I have) are unclear on the following:
 
  "Restart X, run imwheel and everything should work fine. If it does,
  you should add this command to your '.xinitrc' or '.xsessionrc' to
  have it executed automatically on every X startup."
 
  Okay, no problem. Works fine. But - exactly WHAT command am I adding
  to the .xinitrc file? I have tried imwheel, /etc/X11/imwheel,
  /etc/X11/imwheelrc, exec imwheel, exec /etc/X11/imwheel. Does it
  matter where I add it? Does it matter how I add it? What basic fact
  am I missing here?
 
  Thankx
 
  Pat the Rat

 --
 Sridhar Dhanapalan.
 "There are two major products that come from Berkeley:
 LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
 -- Jeremy S. Anderson





Re: [newbie] imwheel

2001-03-03 Thread Patrick

What a dummy, I linked the correct file this time (/etc/X11R6/bin/imwheel)
and Autostart works fine. Tried editing the .xinitrc file with the proper
location of said file, still no luck.

Pat the Dummy

Patrick wrote:

 I tried the Autostart  directory before and ended up with the imwheelrc
 text file opened.  I will try again.  I will also try the interactive
 bootup suggestion made by Mssr. LaBine. However - as to my original
 question : IF I wanted to enter the command (imwheel) into the .xinitrc
 file, what format would it take and where would I locate it?

 Pat the Rat

 Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:

  For GNOME, you can put the command (imwheel) into the startup section
  of the Control Centre. For KDE, there is an Autostart directory that
  runs everything in it at startup - just make a link there. If you use
  XFree86 4.x, the you don't need imwheel at all, just the XF86Config
  file settings.
 
  On Fri,  2 Mar 2001 17:53, Patrick wrote:
   Okay, I'm not getting this right. How about a kick in the right
   direction? I have edited the XF86Config file per the instructions I
   have (ZaxisMapping  4 5, Protocol IMPS/2) from the MandrakeUser.org
   pages. Tested it by running imwheel in konsole. Works fine. Now I
   wish to have imwheel automatically during X startup. The
   instructions (and the 3 books I have) are unclear on the following:
  
   "Restart X, run imwheel and everything should work fine. If it does,
   you should add this command to your '.xinitrc' or '.xsessionrc' to
   have it executed automatically on every X startup."
  
   Okay, no problem. Works fine. But - exactly WHAT command am I adding
   to the .xinitrc file? I have tried imwheel, /etc/X11/imwheel,
   /etc/X11/imwheelrc, exec imwheel, exec /etc/X11/imwheel. Does it
   matter where I add it? Does it matter how I add it? What basic fact
   am I missing here?
  
   Thankx
  
   Pat the Rat
 
  --
  Sridhar Dhanapalan.
  "There are two major products that come from Berkeley:
  LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence."
  -- Jeremy S. Anderson





Re: [newbie] Can't install -- more clues

2001-03-03 Thread Miark

Anthony and all,

During installation of 7.2

1) I want to make a boot disk, but it fails:

   An error occurred, mkbootdisk failed

2) When I try to install lilo or grub, it fails:

   Installation of bootloader failed
   The following error occurred:
   Fatal: open /dev/hda: No such file or directory

3) When I test X, it fails, saying:

   (WW) xf86ReadBIOS: Failed to open /dev/mem
   (No such file or directory)

4) On occasion, lilo will load, but when I boot to
   Linux, it says, Kernel panic:

   Unable to mount root fs on 03:05

   I'm not sure what 03 is, but I have to assume 5
   refers to hda5 which is mounted at /.

But everything up to this point in the installation pretends
to work, including the installation of all the packages.

I've tried reputedly, about a dozen attempts so far.

I tried making Ext2 partitions with the Mandrake installer
and with Partition Magic 6 in Windows.

I've tried using Ext2 partitions as well as ReiserFS
partitions using the Mandrake installer.

I've tried installing from a CD-RW that I burned from the
downloaded ISO, and I've tried installing from a CD-R, even
of a different brand.

I've tried diagnosing problems with my HD with both
Partition Magic 6, and with Norton's Disk Doctor 2001, and
there aren't any problems. And Windows has no problems
accessing its own partitions, of course.

I've tried wiping the mbr so that lilo or grub get a clean
shot at installation (although not in conjunction with these
other things).

If my computer had a neck, I would choke it to death.

What is going on?!!

Miark


- Original Message -
From: "Anthony" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Can't install -- more clues


 So what exactly is the problem? I don't think ReiserFS
filesystems do bad
 sector checking. At least I don't remember getting asked
that when I
 formatted my Linux partitions to that. Have you tried jsut
checking the swap
 partition and then moving on?

  Nobody has even guessed at my problem yet, but I have
more
  clues that may help you help me. Here's the full
scenario:
 
  I'm installing 7.2 for dual-boot with Win98. When I get
to
  DiskDrake in set-up, I choose to make the three
following
  partitions:
 
   * Logical, ReiserFS, 5 GB, mounted at /
   * Logical, ReiserFS, 1 GB, mounted at /home
   * Logical, Linux swap, 500 MB
 
  It says that it's formatting the Reiser partitions, but
it
  only says that for about 2 seconds. Then, when it asks
which
  partitions on which to check for bad sectors, it _only_
  lists the swap partition.
 
  If I go back and make the Reiser partitions Linux
native,
  then everything is fine. Well, it's as close to fine as
it
  will get.
 
  Now I remember somebody on this list saying that what I
want
  to do is possible. Were they wrong? How do I implement
  ReiserFS and make it work?
 
  Miark

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[newbie] need help on DSL with LM7.2

2001-03-03 Thread eric

I had Qwest.net 's Cisco 678 dsl modem and intel ethernet card, my isp
told me my scriber line is on and three green light on dsl modem (lnk of
wan and lan adn power) os keep on with yellow flash light on ACT of wan
and lan

I tried to use DrakeConfig and pppoe wtih dhcp

still get error

The ysstem does not seem to be connected to internet
Try to reconfigure your connect

my isp told me in window platform I should check gateway/route as
10.0.0.1, how it mean to linux?

need help
Sincere
eric




[newbie] repost : lan problems

2001-03-03 Thread Quaylar

hi all !

im reposting because i still have my win-linux lan problem.

let me describe:

i have 1 win2k box and 1 mandrake box.

win2k :

1) surecom ep325 configured to utilize BNC port
2) no resource conflicts
3) LAN connection is up with 192.168.0.1/24
4) firewall is down

mandrake box:

1) 3com 3c509 : initialized - no resource conflicts - modules are loaded - 
using BNC port
2) eth0 is up with 192.168.0.1/24
3) routes are set properly by linux
4) ipchains is down

the 2 boxes are connected via thin ethernet coax, cable lenght approx. 10m, 
terminated at each end.
wiring and terminators are known to be ok, because switching them for new 
ones didnt solve my problem.

problem : ping timeouts from win - linux and vice versa...100% packet loss

plz, i would appreciate any advice, this is driving me crazy...

--quay




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Re: [newbie] Can't install -- more clues

2001-03-03 Thread Bruce Howland

Miark wrote:

 Anthony and all,
 
 During installation of 7.2
 
 1) I want to make a boot disk, but it fails:
 
An error occurred, mkbootdisk failed
 
 2) When I try to install lilo or grub, it fails:
 
Installation of bootloader failed
The following error occurred:
Fatal: open /dev/hda: No such file or directory
 
 3) When I test X, it fails, saying:
 
(WW) xf86ReadBIOS: Failed to open /dev/mem
(No such file or directory)
 
 4) On occasion, lilo will load, but when I boot to
Linux, it says, Kernel panic:
 
Unable to mount root fs on 03:05
 
I'm not sure what 03 is, but I have to assume 5
refers to hda5 which is mounted at /.
 
 But everything up to this point in the installation pretends
 to work, including the installation of all the packages.
 
 I've tried reputedly, about a dozen attempts so far.
 
 I tried making Ext2 partitions with the Mandrake installer
 and with Partition Magic 6 in Windows.
 
 I've tried using Ext2 partitions as well as ReiserFS
 partitions using the Mandrake installer.
 
 I've tried installing from a CD-RW that I burned from the
 downloaded ISO, and I've tried installing from a CD-R, even
 of a different brand.
 
 I've tried diagnosing problems with my HD with both
 Partition Magic 6, and with Norton's Disk Doctor 2001, and
 there aren't any problems. And Windows has no problems
 accessing its own partitions, of course.
 
 I've tried wiping the mbr so that lilo or grub get a clean
 shot at installation (although not in conjunction with these
 other things).
 
 If my computer had a neck, I would choke it to death.
 
 What is going on?!!
 
 Miark
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: "Anthony" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 7:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [newbie] Can't install -- more clues
 
 
 So what exactly is the problem? I don't think ReiserFS
 
 filesystems do bad
 
 sector checking. At least I don't remember getting asked
 
 that when I
 
 formatted my Linux partitions to that. Have you tried jsut
 
 checking the swap
 
 partition and then moving on?
 
 Nobody has even guessed at my problem yet, but I have
 
 more
 
 clues that may help you help me. Here's the full
 
 scenario:
 
 I'm installing 7.2 for dual-boot with Win98. When I get
 
 to
 
 DiskDrake in set-up, I choose to make the three
 
 following
 
 partitions:
 
  * Logical, ReiserFS, 5 GB, mounted at /
  * Logical, ReiserFS, 1 GB, mounted at /home
  * Logical, Linux swap, 500 MB
 
 It says that it's formatting the Reiser partitions, but
 
 it
 
 only says that for about 2 seconds. Then, when it asks
 
 which
 
 partitions on which to check for bad sectors, it _only_
 lists the swap partition.
 
 If I go back and make the Reiser partitions Linux
 
 native,
 
 then everything is fine. Well, it's as close to fine as
 
 it
 
 will get.
 
 Now I remember somebody on this list saying that what I
 
 want
 
 to do is possible. Were they wrong? How do I implement
 ReiserFS and make it work?
 
 Miark
 
 --
 Anthony
 http://binaryfusion.net
 Press any key to continue, or any other key to quit.
 
Did you set your Linux boot partition below the 8Gb point?

73 -bruce-






[newbie] KDevelop 1.4, kDE2.1 and Version 8

2001-03-03 Thread Romanator

Hi everybody,

Are there any plans on introducing KDevelop 1.4 with Version 8?

-- 
Roman
Registered Linux User #179293
The Original Tux Email Thread Creator




Re: [newbie] KDevelop 1.4, kDE2.1 and Version 8

2001-03-03 Thread KompuKit

roman...this is Kit...can you help me setup my new HP cd-rw 9150i...
do you know how...?

ICQ# 7110071

Romanator wrote:
 
 Hi everybody,
 
 Are there any plans on introducing KDevelop 1.4 with Version 8?
 
 --
 Roman
 Registered Linux User #179293
 The Original Tux Email Thread Creator

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[newbie] Printing from Staroffice 5.2 under CUPS ?

2001-03-03 Thread Renaud OLGIATI

I am (trying to) configure the printer fro SO 5.2 but have not so far even 
managed to print a test page.

I found a printer in the list offered by SO, but dont know what to indicate 
as the print command (lpr -Plp ?) for printing under Cups.

Any idea ?

TIA,

Ron, on the bbanks of the Paraguay River.
-- 
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RE: [newbie] repost : lan problems

2001-03-03 Thread Jose M. Sanchez


I hope that your ethernet addresses were a mistype...

You have both machines with the same address according to your message,
which of course will not work!

-JMS

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Quaylar
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 4:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] repost : lan problems


hi all !

im reposting because i still have my win-linux lan problem.

let me describe:

i have 1 win2k box and 1 mandrake box.

win2k :

1) surecom ep325 configured to utilize BNC port
2) no resource conflicts
3) LAN connection is up with 192.168.0.1/24
4) firewall is down

mandrake box:

1) 3com 3c509 : initialized - no resource conflicts - modules are loaded -
using BNC port
2) eth0 is up with 192.168.0.1/24
3) routes are set properly by linux
4) ipchains is down

the 2 boxes are connected via thin ethernet coax, cable lenght approx. 10m,
terminated at each end.
wiring and terminators are known to be ok, because switching them for new
ones didnt solve my problem.

problem : ping timeouts from win - linux and vice versa...100% packet loss

plz, i would appreciate any advice, this is driving me crazy...

--quay




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[newbie] I have a strange system!

2001-03-03 Thread Blomquist, Niklas

hello all!

I have found out a thing that is quite strange...

If I install mandrake 7.2 with ext2 all is fine
If I install mandrake 7.2 with reiserfs all is fine
If I install Mandrake 8.0 (beta1) with ext2 all is fine
But if I install Mandrake 8.0 (beta1) with reiserfs id doesen't work (unable
to mount root fs) I think that there is an bug in the 2.4.x kernel that make
do so linux can't detect the filesystem correctly on a ASUS A7V motherboard.

If I install MD 8 in vmware with reiserfs it works. So MD 8 + reiserfs is
working, but not on some of my computers.

Because if I install MD 7.2 with raid0 it's working. But If I install a
kernel 2.4.1 or 2.4.2 it wount boot up! Same with reiserfs.

Is there anyone out there that have been able to get the MD 8 + reiserfs or
raid0 (on root) + Asus A7v to working?

Regards
Niklas




[newbie] Helooooo.......

2001-03-03 Thread Javier Alvarez



I´m a very new user.

I NEED HELP.

I trying, anybody help me, am I 
invisible?

I have a few problems:

1.- My english it´s not very 
good.

2.- I can mount my cd, floppy,  
but when I reboot they are not there.

3.- How can I configure my modem? 
It´s a Zoltrix Rainbow BlueFighter.

THANK TO 
ADVANCE


Re: [newbie] Printing from Staroffice 5.2 under CUPS ?

2001-03-03 Thread Michael O'Henly

Hi Ron...

I don't use SO so I can't help directly -- but here are a couple of links 
that should help. The first is for the Mandrakeuser.org site that discusses 
CUPS printing generally:

http://www.mandrakeuser.org/hardware/hcups0.html

The second talks about SO specifically:

http://www.mandrakeuser.org/hardware/hcups8.html

Paraguay, eh? Interesting. I was in Venezuela a couple of times last year and 
I am hoping to go to Guyana this summer. South America is amazing, a whole 
other world...

Buenos tardes!

M.

On Saturday 03 March 2001 07:11, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
 I am (trying to) configure the printer fro SO 5.2 but have not so far even
 managed to print a test page.

 I found a printer in the list offered by SO, but dont know what to indicate
 as the print command (lpr -Plp ?) for printing under Cups.

 Any idea ?

 TIA,

 Ron, on the bbanks of the Paraguay River.

-- 
Michael O'Henly
TENZO Design




RE: [newbie] repost : lan problems

2001-03-03 Thread Quaylar

At 17:45 03.03.2001 -0500, you wrote:

I hope that your ethernet addresses were a mistype...

You have both machines with the same address according to your message,
which of course will not work!

-JMS


hi jose,

yes u are right, it was a mistype. i would have noticed such a dumb failure 
because i checked all settings approx. 100 times.

of course
linux box is at 192.168.0.1/24 and
win box is at 192.168.0.2/24

u know, after your last reply i posted that my lan was working.
i dont know why it did, but just a few days ago i tidied up all the cables 
under my desk and among others i unplugged the BNC cable at both ends.

i plugged then in again,  installed a 2nd nic in my linux box to connect it 
to my new adsl modem, and when i rebooted my local lan was (again) gone.
i think its the same problem as it was before (still i dont know), it cant 
be the 2nd nic because its recognized correctly, routes are ok and i 
already established a adsl conn over it.
so whatever it is.slowly i am beginning to think it should be in 
"x-files".:)

--quay





[newbie] Tape Device

2001-03-03 Thread Daryl Johnson

Now that I appear (fingers crossed, remove the duck from my head) to have
got the Adaptec 1505 working...

...I need to find a device for my Colorado tape drive.

Checking in /dev reveals that rst0 is empty and I've never used MAKEDEV
before so I'd welcome any suggestions you may care to make.

regards

Daryl





RE: [newbie] repost : lan problems

2001-03-03 Thread Daryl Johnson

Well, I'm guessing that you need Samba running.

Regards

Daryl

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Quaylar
 Sent: 03 March 2001 21:45
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [newbie] repost : lan problems


 hi all !

 im reposting because i still have my win-linux lan problem.

 let me describe:

 i have 1 win2k box and 1 mandrake box.

 win2k :

 1) surecom ep325 configured to utilize BNC port
 2) no resource conflicts
 3) LAN connection is up with 192.168.0.1/24
 4) firewall is down

 mandrake box:

 1) 3com 3c509 : initialized - no resource conflicts - modules are
 loaded -
 using BNC port
 2) eth0 is up with 192.168.0.1/24
 3) routes are set properly by linux
 4) ipchains is down

 the 2 boxes are connected via thin ethernet coax, cable lenght
 approx. 10m,
 terminated at each end.
 wiring and terminators are known to be ok, because switching them for new
 ones didnt solve my problem.

 problem : ping timeouts from win - linux and vice versa...100%
 packet loss

 plz, i would appreciate any advice, this is driving me crazy...

 --quay




 --
 -Quaylar-
 Icq# 30932448
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ! Knowledge is power 
 For confidental email plz encrypt with PGP








[newbie] ALT-GR in MDK 7.2, XFree86 4.0.1

2001-03-03 Thread Gerry

To put it shortly, the ALT-GR key behaves as the ALT key. In other words, i 
can't type any alt-gr-only chars, such as @ (got that one by copy/paste)..
I had the same problem in XF86 3.3.6, then i could solve it by typing a line 
with something like "ALT_R = ModeShift" (don't remember the exact line) in 
the config file, but this didn't work in XF86 4.0.1.. I tried putting it in 
both XF86Config and XF86Config-4 (using Option). I even tried setting 
keymappings with keycodes, but alt-gr still thinks it's alt..

Thanks for any help!

Gerry




Re: [newbie] Can't install -- more clues

2001-03-03 Thread Miark

Bruce,

Yes, the boot partition starts at roughly 2 GB, and all my
Linux partitions live below cylinder 1024.

Thanks for bringing that up.

I have, perhaps another clue to the problem. I used
Partition Magic to look at the Ext2 partitions since my last
installation failure, at it said that 2 of the root
partition's 4.5 GBs are used. The installation of packages
wasn't a psych-out.

One other clue: the floppy drive does work when I make a
replication disk. So the failure to make the boot disk has
nothing to do with the drive itself (although we pretty much
expected that).

Miark



- Original Message -
From: "Bruce Howland" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Can't install -- more clues


 Miark wrote:

  Anthony and all,
 
  During installation of 7.2
 
  1) I want to make a boot disk, but it fails:
 
 An error occurred, mkbootdisk failed
 
  2) When I try to install lilo or grub, it fails:
 
 Installation of bootloader failed
 The following error occurred:
 Fatal: open /dev/hda: No such file or directory
 
  3) When I test X, it fails, saying:
 
 (WW) xf86ReadBIOS: Failed to open /dev/mem
 (No such file or directory)
 
  4) On occasion, lilo will load, but when I boot to
 Linux, it says, Kernel panic:
 
 Unable to mount root fs on 03:05
 
 I'm not sure what 03 is, but I have to assume 5
 refers to hda5 which is mounted at /.
 
  But everything up to this point in the installation
pretends
  to work, including the installation of all the packages.
 
  I've tried reputedly, about a dozen attempts so far.
 
  I tried making Ext2 partitions with the Mandrake
installer
  and with Partition Magic 6 in Windows.
 
  I've tried using Ext2 partitions as well as ReiserFS
  partitions using the Mandrake installer.
 
  I've tried installing from a CD-RW that I burned from
the
  downloaded ISO, and I've tried installing from a CD-R,
even
  of a different brand.
 
  I've tried diagnosing problems with my HD with both
  Partition Magic 6, and with Norton's Disk Doctor 2001,
and
  there aren't any problems. And Windows has no problems
  accessing its own partitions, of course.
 
  I've tried wiping the mbr so that lilo or grub get a
clean
  shot at installation (although not in conjunction with
these
  other things).
 
  If my computer had a neck, I would choke it to death.
 
  What is going on?!!
 
  Miark
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: "Anthony" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 7:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [newbie] Can't install -- more clues
 
 
  So what exactly is the problem? I don't think ReiserFS
 
  filesystems do bad
 
  sector checking. At least I don't remember getting
asked
 
  that when I
 
  formatted my Linux partitions to that. Have you tried
jsut
 
  checking the swap
 
  partition and then moving on?
 
  Nobody has even guessed at my problem yet, but I have
 
  more
 
  clues that may help you help me. Here's the full
 
  scenario:
 
  I'm installing 7.2 for dual-boot with Win98. When I
get
 
  to
 
  DiskDrake in set-up, I choose to make the three
 
  following
 
  partitions:
 
   * Logical, ReiserFS, 5 GB, mounted at /
   * Logical, ReiserFS, 1 GB, mounted at /home
   * Logical, Linux swap, 500 MB
 
  It says that it's formatting the Reiser partitions,
but
 
  it
 
  only says that for about 2 seconds. Then, when it asks
 
  which
 
  partitions on which to check for bad sectors, it
_only_
  lists the swap partition.
 
  If I go back and make the Reiser partitions Linux
 
  native,
 
  then everything is fine. Well, it's as close to fine
as
 
  it
 
  will get.
 
  Now I remember somebody on this list saying that what
I
 
  want
 
  to do is possible. Were they wrong? How do I implement
  ReiserFS and make it work?
 
  Miark
 
  --
  Anthony
  http://binaryfusion.net
  Press any key to continue, or any other key to quit.
 
 Did you set your Linux boot partition below the 8Gb point?

 73 -bruce-









RE: [newbie] repost : lan problems

2001-03-03 Thread Jose M. Sanchez

Thinnet networks are subject to something akin to "standing waves".

The signal "bounces" off of one end of the cable and back. This results in
an "echo" which is 180 degrees out of phaze with the next incoming wave...

The two cancel out and you end up with a dead spot on the cable, where if
you plug something in, you get no response.

The Ethernet terminators are there to reduce or eliminate this, which is why
they are at the physical "ends" of the cable.

They are not always successful.

You may be seeing the same.

You may have a bad "T" connector as well. I've seen more bad "T" connectors
than one would expect.

Check your lan cables. Make sure that the center pin is not being pushed
into the socket when you plug it into the Ethernet card or T connector. This
will also cause problems. The center pin must not move so it can penetrate
the receptacle.

Since your LAN setup worked for awhile look for a physical problem of some
sort.

-JMS




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Quaylar
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 6:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [newbie] repost : lan problems


At 17:45 03.03.2001 -0500, you wrote:

I hope that your ethernet addresses were a mistype...

You have both machines with the same address according to your message,
which of course will not work!

-JMS


hi jose,

yes u are right, it was a mistype. i would have noticed such a dumb failure
because i checked all settings approx. 100 times.

of course
linux box is at 192.168.0.1/24 and
win box is at 192.168.0.2/24

u know, after your last reply i posted that my lan was working.
i dont know why it did, but just a few days ago i tidied up all the cables
under my desk and among others i unplugged the BNC cable at both ends.

i plugged then in again,  installed a 2nd nic in my linux box to connect it
to my new adsl modem, and when i rebooted my local lan was (again) gone.
i think its the same problem as it was before (still i dont know), it cant
be the 2nd nic because its recognized correctly, routes are ok and i
already established a adsl conn over it.
so whatever it is.slowly i am beginning to think it should be in
"x-files".:)

--quay






[newbie] Shaw @home Cable Modem Setup

2001-03-03 Thread Shane Roppel

First things first, hello all!


Ok here's my problem I cannot seem to connect to the dhcp server through my 
linux box. I am fairly proficient with windows And think it sucks, and 
I've tried almost every combination of network settings I can think of! plus 
I've tried some suggestions mentioned in this forum. Nothing has worked. I'm 
new to linux so please, could someone spell it out for me?

THANKS SO MUCH!
_
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RE: [newbie] repost : lan problems

2001-03-03 Thread Quaylar

At 19:48 03.03.2001 -0500, you wrote:
Thinnet networks are subject to something akin to "standing waves".

The signal "bounces" off of one end of the cable and back. This results in
an "echo" which is 180 degrees out of phaze with the next incoming wave...

The two cancel out and you end up with a dead spot on the cable, where if
you plug something in, you get no response.

The Ethernet terminators are there to reduce or eliminate this, which is why
they are at the physical "ends" of the cable.

They are not always successful.

You may be seeing the same.



i switched terminators to no avail.




You may have a bad "T" connector as well. I've seen more bad "T" connectors
than one would expect.

Check your lan cables. Make sure that the center pin is not being pushed
into the socket when you plug it into the Ethernet card or T connector.


ah...i checked the lan cables and indeed 1 of the 2 center pins was pushed 
into the socket.
i pulled it out to make sure it hits the receptacle.

and i noticed that the center pins of the 2 T connectors i was using, were 
not as long as the center pins in 2 other T-connectors.
so i switched them too.
but it still doesnt work.


  This
will also cause problems. The center pin must not move so it can penetrate
the receptacle.

Since your LAN setup worked for awhile look for a physical problem of some
sort.


mhm...i too think it has to be something physical, i tink i will buy a new 
cable/connectors/resistors...
maybe it helps.

thx..

--quay



-JMS







Re: [newbie] Helooooo.......

2001-03-03 Thread ~*Mark*~

Javier Alvarez wrote:

 Im a very new user.
 
  
 
 I NEED HELP.
 
  
 
 I trying, anybody help me, am I invisible?
 
  
 
 I have a few problems:
 
  
 
 1.- My english its not very good.
 
  
 
 2.- I can mount my cd, floppy,  but when I reboot they are not there.
 
  
 
 3.- How can I configure my modem? Its a Zoltrix Rainbow BlueFighter.
 
  
 
 THANK TO ADVANCE

Javier,

(1) As far as your english there isn't anything I can help you with 
there. However, if it's any consolation to you I could understand you 
just fine.

(2) Linux handle drives such as floppies and CDROM's differently then 
windows does, and therefore you must mount those drives at the time when 
you want to use them and unmount them when you're finished. That's 
pretty much standard practice in the Linux environment. There is a 
feature called "automount" but unfortunately it's much more trouble then 
it's worth at this time so I would suggest using it.

Unlike the hard drives that the OS mounts at boot time floppy drives and 
CDROM drives are mounted on demand thusly;

mount /dev/fd0   (the floppy drive)
to unmount the floppy drive
umount /dev/fd0  ( and yes, that is spelled correctly. It IS 
umount and no 
"unmount"

The CDROM is done the same way. The only difference is you name a 
different device. Namely the CDROM;

mount /dev/cdrom
to unmount  umount /dev/cdrom

That's really all there is to it.

(3) Your modem is an easy affair and when you see how it's done you will 
think you're in windows again. the kppp interface looks and acts a lot 
like the modem config in windows. At the moment I can't recall the 
correct menu items to get to the interface, but you can activate it in a 
terminal window by typing kppp on the command line and hitting ENTER.

when the interface comes up you will need to setup the modem. do this by 
clicking on the "setup" button. Supply all the necessary information and 
don't forget to supply your ISP's DNS numbers. The connections work much 
better when they're in there. When you're finished hit the "connect" 
button and you're online.

-- 
Mark

You know...if my wife were any nicer to me
I'd have to buy a new suite!





[newbie] 8.0 Beta

2001-03-03 Thread Julio Gutierrez



To all you people!
I just downloaded 8.0 beta and let me tell you this OS is tighter than a 16
yr old girl, you guys should check out the new interface, it's outta this
world, still some bugs but I think the final release is gonna be one of the
best Mandrakes I've ever seen, a little Windowy but hey what the heck this is
free and if Microscared don't like they can kiss some daemon a**
anyways you all should check it out


Laters

Julio

---




[newbie] 8.0 Beta

2001-03-03 Thread Julio Gutierrez

To all you people! 
I just downloaded 8.0 beta and let me tell you this OS is tighter than a 16 
yr old girl, you guys should check out the new interface, it's outta this 
world, still some bugs but I think the final release is gonna be one of the 
best Mandrakes I've ever seen, a little Windowy but hey what the heck this is 
free and if Microscared don't like they can kiss some daemon a**
anyways you all should check it out 


Laters

Julio




Re: [newbie] Shaw @home Cable Modem Setup

2001-03-03 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

I have posted detailed instructions about connecting to @home some 
months back. You should be able to find them by looking through the 
list archives at http://www.linux-mandrake.com. I have not had any 
problems connecting to @home in at least 4 months (i.e. since 
implementing the system I described in the list archives), so my 
method appears to work well.


On Sun,  4 Mar 2001 13:03, Digital Wokan wrote:
 I have yet to get DHCP to work as a client to @home.  I've had to
 stick with plugging in my static IP address for over a year now.

 Shane Roppel wrote:
  First things first, hello all!
 
  Ok here's my problem I cannot seem to connect to the dhcp server
  through my linux box. I am fairly proficient with windows And
  think it sucks, and I've tried almost every combination of
  network settings I can think of! plus I've tried some suggestions
  mentioned in this forum. Nothing has worked. I'm new to linux so
  please, could someone spell it out for me?
 
  THANKS SO MUCH!
  __
 ___ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at
  http://www.hotmail.com.

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