Re: [newbie] Crontab weirdness

2002-08-15 Thread Miark

Paul,

Do you edit the cron table directly or do you work in a separate file
that you periodically implement? I myself use a separate file and on
occasion I have made changes to it that I forgot to activate.

Miark


Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith:

 Hi everyone,
 
 I have these lines in my crontab:
 
 # **  mail **
 # main account: daytime every 2 min
 00-58/2  05-23 * * * $HOME/bin/stuur 1/dev/null
 # main account: nighttime every 15 min
 00-58/15 00-04 * * * $HOME/bin/stuur 1/dev/null
 
 The main idea is that mailchecks are done every 2 minutes in daytime and
 every 15 minutes when I sleep (or should sleep ;).
 
 But cron keeps checking every 2 minutes also in the nightly hours.
 Can anyone tell me what's wrong with my cron directives?? I don't see it...
 The MAN pages can only tell me that this is correct, unless I don't sleep
 enough to see something crucial.
 
 Thanks,
 Paul



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Re: [newbie] samba GUI interface

2002-08-15 Thread Rob Burris

*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
Thanks for info, Damian. Webmin is a pretty sweet program. However, I was
looking for program that would act more like windows NetBIOS where I could
access files over the network via a GUI interface. I'm not even sure
something like that exists but it would be really cool if it did.

- Rob B.

- Original Message -
From: Damian G [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] samba GUI interface


 On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:27:08 -0600
 Rob Burris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm)
Pro*
  I just installed samba on Mandrake 8.2 and I was wondering if there was
  a GUI interface or network configuration on KDM that would allow you to
  view your local network?
 
  - Thanks, Rob B.
 

 if what you are looking for is a GUI way to configure Samba,
 you should try webmin. it's got configuration interfaces
 for nearly every possible service and administration task.

 first, as root, type this command:

 service webmin start


 then open up your regular web browser and connect to webmin's
 interface by going to https://localhost:1/
 it will ask for a login. you wanna log in as root.

 if you do not have webmin installed, do a:

 urpmi webmin


 HTH

 Damian


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Re: [newbie] expired password

2002-08-15 Thread _nast-mdk81

On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:45, Norman Zhang wrote:
 Hi,

 My root password has expired. Is there any way that I can login to the
 system and change the password?

 Regards,
 Norman
Hello,
When LILO asks you to choose a boot option, select
linux single (may be slightly different spelling). Then you should
be able to do passwd root. Choose a nice password, cross your fingers
and reboot!

Regards,
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Re: [newbie] Crontab weirdness

2002-08-15 Thread Paul

Miark,

I take the simple route: crontab -e

After leaving vi, the changes are always immediately activated. I can
tell, because also the checks at every 15 minutes are done.

Paul

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---Original Message---

Paul,

Do you edit the cron table directly or do you work in a separate file
that you periodically implement? I myself use a separate file and on
occasion I have made changes to it that I forgot to activate.

Miark

Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith:

 # **  mail **
 # main account: daytime every 2 min
 00-58/2  05-23 * * * $HOME/bin/stuur 1/dev/null
 # main account: nighttime every 15 min
 00-58/15 00-04 * * * $HOME/bin/stuur 1/dev/null





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Re: [newbie] Spontaneous logout

2002-08-15 Thread Ricardo Castanho de O. Freitas

On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, daRcmaTTeR wrote:


Anne,

I had such an experience for a lng period until I realized (with the
help pf list members) that it was a problem (conflict) between mdk8.1 and
kde3 when using *any* screen saver and/or power saving!

I have disable all those features and for now I'm just using the 'padlock'
icon on kde3 to 'protect' the monitor *and* for long periods, turning off
the monitor power!!

Those logouts almost drove me crazy, they could happen **any** time... not
only for 'power saving' and screen saver, with some nice motifs,
conditions! ;-((

So far I've found the problem not the solution though

rgd,


Ricardo


On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Anne Wilson wrote:
 I've just had the most unnervin exeperience.  I had two directories, KMail
 and several documents open under OpenOffice, copying and pasting away, when
 suddenly the screen blacked briefly then brought up the login screen.  I
 shall now have to sort out which documents might have been affected by this -
 I certainly hadn't saved them for a while, so there'll be lost work at least.
  Let's hope there isn't file corruption too.
 Anyone any idea what might have happened?
 Anne

Anne,
well, look at it this way. it's not a total loss. you were, after all,
able to get copy and paste to work in OpenOffice. thats quite an
accomplishment. apart from that it merely sounds as though your X server
crashed. i doubt you've got any serious file corruption. maybe to the
files you had open if that.



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RE: [newbie] iptables help

2002-08-15 Thread frankie

sounds like you are already using ipchains. are you??

you can one use one or the other, (ipchains or iptables) not both.

rgds

Frank

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Todd Slater
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:29 AM
To: newbie
Subject: [newbie] iptables help


I have never used iptables that I'm aware of, and was reading about it
today. I'm trying to add some IPs to a rule that will block nimda/code red
infected computers. But, when I try to write the rule, I get the following
error:

/lib/modules/2.4.18-6mdk/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o.gz:
init_module: Device or resource busy
modprobe: insmod
/lib/modules/2.4.18-6mdk/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o.gz failed
modprobe: insmod ip_tables failed
iptables v1.2.5: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who?
(do you need to insmod?)
Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.

What should I do?

Todd

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Re: [newbie] samba GUI interface

2002-08-15 Thread Bill Spatz

On Wednesday 14 August 2002 01:53, Rob Burris wrote:
 *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
 Thanks for info, Damian. Webmin is a pretty sweet program. However, I was
 looking for program that would act more like windows NetBIOS where I could
 access files over the network via a GUI interface. I'm not even sure
 something like that exists but it would be really cool if it did.

 - Rob B.


OK,  first off you have to create mount points for the other computers, then 
mount them. 

mount -t smbfs //laptop/c /mnt/laptop

as an example.
Do this for each computer that you are wanting to view.

If you are using KDE, call up your home directory, click on Root Directory, 
then the folder in the mnt directory that corresponds with your computer. 
Drag and drop into your linux box.

You are going to have to experiment with copying to the win boxes.

Another way to do the copying is from the command line:

mv /home/bill/foobar.txt /mnt/laptop/foobar.txt

this copies the file foobar.txt to the root directory of my windows box.

There is a program call LinNeighborhood out there that is supposed to be 
somewhat like Winsux Network Neighborhood, but I haven't played with that.

Bill



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Re: [newbie] samba GUI interface

2002-08-15 Thread et

On Thursday 15 August 2002 02:14 am, you wrote:
 On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:27:08 -0600

 Rob Burris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm)
  Pro* I just installed samba on Mandrake 8.2 and I was wondering if there
  was a GUI interface or network configuration on KDM that would allow you
  to view your local network?
 
  - Thanks, Rob B.

 if what you are looking for is a GUI way to configure Samba,
 you should try webmin. it's got configuration interfaces
 for nearly every possible service and administration task.

 first, as root, type this command:

 service webmin start


 then open up your regular web browser and connect to webmin's
 interface by going to https://localhost:1/
 it will ask for a login. you wanna log in as root.

 if you do not have webmin installed, do a:

 urpmi webmin


 HTH

 Damian


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gnomba, but after the mount is setup, just brows over with anything from MC 
(MidnightCommander) to Konq  



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[newbie] Ugly font

2002-08-15 Thread Anne Wilson

I would dearly like to get rid of that aweful ADMono font, but I can't 
identify it to delete it.  Can anyone point me at the location?

Anne



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Re: [newbie] Crontab weirdness

2002-08-15 Thread Randy Kramer

Paul wrote:
  # **  mail **
  # main account: daytime every 2 min
  00-58/2  05-23 * * * $HOME/bin/stuur 1/dev/null
  # main account: nighttime every 15 min
  00-58/15 00-04 * * * $HOME/bin/stuur 1/dev/null

Just a shot in the dark for kicks.  (I'm not familiar with the stuur
command -- is that a script or command that you wrote?)  Anyway, is
there any chance you are checking with something like fetchmail and it
is running in a polling mode?

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RE: [newbie] samba GUI interface

2002-08-15 Thread Tibbetts, Ric


 I just installed samba on Mandrake 8.2 and I was wondering if 
 there was 
 a GUI interface or network configuration on KDM that would 
 allow you to 
 view your local network?
 

I think there is some confusion about what you're asking.
Are you trying to view a particular smb mount, or are you looking for
something similar to Network Neighborhood where you can see all the
machines in your domain?



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Unix Systems Administration

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Re: [newbie] Ugly font

2002-08-15 Thread Derek Jennings

On Thursday 15 Aug 2002 12:02 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
 I would dearly like to get rid of that aweful ADMono font, but I can't
 identify it to delete it.  Can anyone point me at the location?

 Anne

No,  but you do not have to use it if you do not want to.

Does this mean you are having problems with your requested fonts being 
substituted with AD Mono?  If so you can probably fix that by turning 
AntiAliasing off in KDE Control Centre.

(On my screen the fonts look great with AA off, but for some people they 
become ugly.  In that case try playing with screen resolutions and density. 
For example on my screen 1280x1024 16bit has great looking fonts, while 
1280x1024 24 bit has ugly fonts)

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Re: [newbie] Crontab weirdness

2002-08-15 Thread Paul

Hi Randy,

'stuur' is dutch for 'send'. It is indeed a script.

After sending out the mailq through postfix, 'stuur' invokes a script
called cmail (see mail) which runs getmail (I prefer that to fetchmail).
I don't use any automatic polling program. I handle that through cron.

cmail adds a few lines to my procmail.log file so I can see what has
been happening (the mailserver of my provider seems to lose mail these
days). This is how I found out that cron runs stuur every 2 minutes also
during the night.

I doubt that the problem could be that I use 00, 04 and 05 instead of 0,
4 and 5 in the time descriptors???

E.g.
00-58/2  05-23 * * * $HOME/bin/stuur 1/dev/null

instead of

0-58/2  5-23 * * * $HOME/bin/stuur 1/dev/null

Paul

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---Original Message---

Paul wrote:
  # **  mail **
  # main account: daytime every 2 min
  00-58/2  05-23 * * * $HOME/bin/stuur 1/dev/null
  # main account: nighttime every 15 min
  00-58/15 00-04 * * * $HOME/bin/stuur 1/dev/null

Just a shot in the dark for kicks.  (I'm not familiar with the stuur
command -- is that a script or command that you wrote?)  Anyway, is
there any chance you are checking with something like fetchmail and it
is running in a polling mode?





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Re: [newbie] difficulties hooking into internet (ethernet card, cable modem, hub)

2002-08-15 Thread David Reynolds

- Original Message -
From: et [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 6:54 PM
 hey David, do you realize that if I take that same logic, and apply it to
 your drivers License, then it would reason that you should not allow your
 parents to ever get a new car, or to move away from you, since the car you
 first learned to drive in (and even took your first drivers test in) was
not
 your miata (that you drive now), it was your mom's Buick. once you learned
to
 drive, you felt ready for a car that could corner, and have let that old
 Buick sit in the drive all these years.

I don't see the similarity. I would characterize the difference as being
between making my primary vehicle the tempermental Porche that has
transmission glitches, or the VW Rabbit that runs smoothly if inelegantly. I
then drive that to the garage and pick up the Lamborghini or Minivan or
Ninja as needed.

Mandrake on my machine has no sound, currently. The Nvidia video card has
not been set up properly yet. Occasionally I will get up in the morning to
find that the machine has locked up overnight, for no discernable reason.
The display has shut off and will not come back on; I am not running any
Screen Savers, or connected online overnight. There seems to be no drive
activity to the Alt-SysRq-chain of command either. This is not acceptable in
a gateway computer, to me or my girlfriend. I will discover these problems
and fix them in time, I imagine, but I don't have the requisite 9 hour block
of time this week.

 now, if the firewall-router is good enough, then kwel. but if it was my
 money, I would have rather used a box I was already running, and as long
as
 it is (say less than 100 users) small home network, and I had a linux box
 running, I would configure the services and let the routing and firewall
 happen without my buying a firewall-router appliance. and once you get it
up,
 unless you have crummy power, you can forget the linux box as well as you
can
 forget the appliance

I haev a P-133 that I could use for that purpose, if I put the hard drive
back in (it's my old Windows data), got another two network cards, and went
to the trouble of installing a small linux on it and learning the quirks of
that distro. For now, my time is worth the cost of an 'appliance' that does
its job well, without glitches.

I don't use Linux because I'm cheap. I use it because I want the alternative
to Windows. However it's not a religion for me.

Thanks for your input (no sarcasm intended),
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[newbie] snice on X server

2002-08-15 Thread Jeffery Chapman

Hi,

I've found that my Java GUIs are a bit snappier if I give the X server a
priority boost. I've been using the su command to execute the snice command
on the X server process as root. This is annoying and I would like to have
the snice command run automatically for all users.

Where in the boot process would be the best place to insert the snice
command?
Thanks.

Jeff Chapman
Software Engineer
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RE: [newbie] samba GUI interface

2002-08-15 Thread daRcmaTTeR

On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Tibbetts, Ric wrote:

 
  I just installed samba on Mandrake 8.2 and I was wondering if 
  there was 
  a GUI interface or network configuration on KDM that would 
  allow you to 
  view your local network?
  
 
 I think there is some confusion about what you're asking.
 Are you trying to view a particular smb mount, or are you looking for
 something similar to Network Neighborhood where you can see all the
 machines in your domain?
 
 
 
 Ric Tibbetts
 
nah...Ric, what they're looking for is the config interface that can be 
found and accessed through webmin. Its on the servers tab in webmin. 

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RE: [newbie] samba GUI interface

2002-08-15 Thread Tibbetts, Ric

 On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Tibbetts, Ric wrote:
 
  
   I just installed samba on Mandrake 8.2 and I was wondering if 
   there was 
   a GUI interface or network configuration on KDM that would 
   allow you to 
   view your local network?
   
  
  I think there is some confusion about what you're asking.
  Are you trying to view a particular smb mount, or are you 
 looking for
  something similar to Network Neighborhood where you can 
 see all the
  machines in your domain?
  
  
  
  Ric Tibbetts
  
 nah...Ric, what they're looking for is the config interface 
 that can be 
 found and accessed through webmin. Its on the servers tab in webmin. 
 
Yeah, that's what I thought at first too, but then reading it, it seemed
like he was looking for a way to browse the network, ala network
neighborhood.

Webmin huh? I've never used it.
Does it do anything with samba that swat doesn't?


Ric Tibbetts
Unix Systems Administration

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But the second mouse gets the cheese.



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RE: [newbie] samba GUI interface

2002-08-15 Thread daRcmaTTeR

On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Tibbetts, Ric wrote:

  On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Tibbetts, Ric wrote:
  
   
I just installed samba on Mandrake 8.2 and I was wondering if 
there was 
a GUI interface or network configuration on KDM that would 
allow you to 
view your local network?

   
   I think there is some confusion about what you're asking.
   Are you trying to view a particular smb mount, or are you 
  looking for
   something similar to Network Neighborhood where you can 
  see all the
   machines in your domain?
   
   
   
   Ric Tibbetts
   
  nah...Ric, what they're looking for is the config interface 
  that can be 
  found and accessed through webmin. Its on the servers tab in webmin. 
  
 Yeah, that's what I thought at first too, but then reading it, it seemed
 like he was looking for a way to browse the network, ala network
 neighborhood.
 
 Webmin huh? I've never used it.
 Does it do anything with samba that swat doesn't?
 
 
 Ric Tibbetts
 Unix Systems Administration
 
 The early bird may get the worm,
 But the second mouse gets the cheese.
 

well...the actual webmin samba config tool isn't the best but it'll do in 
a pinch. in 8.2 thats how I access swat. it just seemed the natural way to 
get to it. course now, unless I'm just feeling lazy, or I'm already in 
webmin for something, i just do the dirty work for samba in console. Vi is 
my friend after all. ;) 

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[newbie] Mandrake9.0 beta2 install

2002-08-15 Thread John Richard Smith

Computer,
MSI k7t266 pro 2 with raid (but disabled in bios)
geforce3
via8233 sound chipset with ac97 codec
1800 Athlon processor
512mb ddr ram

Install,
all 3 cd's md5sum tested ok.
no problems with usb detection.
programme installer reported one error, tux racer failed.
DrakX printer install  configuration had problems,
only one of four  Z53 drivers would configure where normall 3 do.
I cancelled lilo install, it refused cancell and buggered up my
lilo entries, since  this was only a beta2 test I was going to boot
on a floppy  and save my dual boot lilo.conf entires, this
has made unnecassary work to repair the damage. Clearly
lilo cancell tab does not work.

Desktop config
Sound seems to work ok, though not tested all apps.
Screen resolution had to be inproved on desktop.
as it would not accept best config in Xwindows condig
Don't like the increasingly difficult manner inwhich root
is being made difficult to set up properly.This is retrograde.
Not everyone wants this dictatorial approach.



John

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[newbie] [Fwd: Mandrake9.0 beta2 install]

2002-08-15 Thread John Richard Smith



 Original Message 
Subject: Mandrake9.0 beta2 install
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:46:52 +0100
From: John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: NEWBIE 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Computer,
MSI k7t266 pro 2 with raid (but disabled in bios)
geforce3
via8233 sound chipset with ac97 codec
1800 Athlon processor
512mb ddr ram

Install,
all 3 cd's md5sum tested ok.
no problems with usb detection.
programme installer reported one error, tux racer failed.
DrakX printer install  configuration had problems,
only one of four  Z53 drivers would configure where normall 3 do.
I cancelled lilo install, it refused cancell and buggered up my
lilo entries, since  this was only a beta2 test I was going to boot
on a floppy  and save my dual boot lilo.conf entires, this
has made unnecassary work to repair the damage. Clearly
lilo cancell tab does not work.

Desktop config
Sound seems to work ok, though not tested all apps.
Screen resolution had to be inproved on desktop.
as it would not accept best config in Xwindows condig
Don't like the increasingly difficult manner inwhich root
is being made difficult to set up properly.This is retrograde.
Not everyone wants this dictatorial approach.



John

-- 
John Richard Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Upon further examination, I now realize that the
lilo entries were not changed, the situation fooled
me because the splash screen that comes up has completely
changed , and the entries there, but the script it runs
had not changed. Apologies.

John


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Re: [newbie] Postfix for dummies?

2002-08-15 Thread David Johnson

Derek,

Thanks for the reply.  I currently have my own mail server (Exchange) for my 
domain and am simply looking to set up postfix as an SMTP gateway so that I 
can have it filter incoming mail for viruses and spam.

On Wednesday 14 August 2002 04:47 pm, you wrote:
 On Thursday 15 Aug 2002 12:05 am, David Johnson wrote:
  Hello everyone,
 
 
  I'm sure this subject has been covered a thousand times (maybe I'm just
  looking in the wrong places), but I can't find an answer anywhere.
 
  I'm looking for postfix configuration for dummies.  I'm currently setting
  up an LM8.2 machine to rnu postfix along with anomy and spamassassin as
  an SMTP gateway for my MS Exchange box and I'm having trouble with the
  configuration.
 
  Specifically, I'm having trouble getting it to forward the mail to my
  Exchange box.  I found the setting in MAIN.CF that allows postfix to
  forward all messages that it does not have a mailbox for and, according
  to the INFO log file, the forwarding is happening, but the message never
  shows up in Exchange.
 
  I'm not sure what further specific info someone might need to help me
  troubleshoot this, but the breakdown appears to be happening somewhere
  between postfix and exchange, I just don't know of a way to find out what
  is going on short of a sniffer...
 
  I would appreciate any help anyone can offer!

 Postfix takes mail and forwards it onwards. Any mail destinesd for a local
 mailbox will be put into a mailbox in /var/mail/user_name. To get it into
 an outlook mail client you are going to need an imap or pop3 sevice running
 on your machine. Install the imap rpm and you can start up imap or ipop3
 services via mandrake control centre to pass the mail onto your users.

 To get the mail from your ISP mail servers fetchmail is good. fetchmailconf
 is a a good way to configure fetchmail. Webmin is a good way to configure
 postfix


 There is a good guide on www.mandrakeuser.org
 derek



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RE: [newbie] Postfix for dummies?

2002-08-15 Thread frankie

search the postfix miling list archives,, I saw a ton of this sort of
question and answers when I was on it. (it a high volume list) you can look
for it on postfix.org

you should also look into amavisd while you are there, there is a proodut
called amavis-new and it is tied in to spamassasin as well, so you get spam
protection and antivirus for all mail going though in one hit.. very cool.

rgds

Frank.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
David Johnson
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 12:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Postfix for dummies?


Derek,

Thanks for the reply.  I currently have my own mail server (Exchange) for my
domain and am simply looking to set up postfix as an SMTP gateway so that I
can have it filter incoming mail for viruses and spam.

On Wednesday 14 August 2002 04:47 pm, you wrote:
 On Thursday 15 Aug 2002 12:05 am, David Johnson wrote:
  Hello everyone,
 
 
  I'm sure this subject has been covered a thousand times (maybe I'm just
  looking in the wrong places), but I can't find an answer anywhere.
 
  I'm looking for postfix configuration for dummies.  I'm currently
setting
  up an LM8.2 machine to rnu postfix along with anomy and spamassassin as
  an SMTP gateway for my MS Exchange box and I'm having trouble with the
  configuration.
 
  Specifically, I'm having trouble getting it to forward the mail to my
  Exchange box.  I found the setting in MAIN.CF that allows postfix to
  forward all messages that it does not have a mailbox for and, according
  to the INFO log file, the forwarding is happening, but the message never
  shows up in Exchange.
 
  I'm not sure what further specific info someone might need to help me
  troubleshoot this, but the breakdown appears to be happening somewhere
  between postfix and exchange, I just don't know of a way to find out
what
  is going on short of a sniffer...
 
  I would appreciate any help anyone can offer!

 Postfix takes mail and forwards it onwards. Any mail destinesd for a local
 mailbox will be put into a mailbox in /var/mail/user_name. To get it into
 an outlook mail client you are going to need an imap or pop3 sevice
running
 on your machine. Install the imap rpm and you can start up imap or ipop3
 services via mandrake control centre to pass the mail onto your users.

 To get the mail from your ISP mail servers fetchmail is good.
fetchmailconf
 is a a good way to configure fetchmail. Webmin is a good way to configure
 postfix


 There is a good guide on www.mandrakeuser.org
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Re: [newbie] Crontab weirdness

2002-08-15 Thread Randy Kramer

Paul wrote:
 'stuur' is dutch for 'send'. It is indeed a script.

Ok, thanks!

 After sending out the mailq through postfix, 'stuur' invokes a script
 called cmail (see mail) which runs getmail (I prefer that to fetchmail).
 I don't use any automatic polling program. I handle that through cron.

And getmail can't poll at intervals like fetchmail can?

 I doubt that the problem could be that I use 00, 04 and 05 instead of 0,
 4 and 5 in the time descriptors???

I don't think so, but I am not an expert.  I just took one shot in the
dark ;-)

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Re: [newbie] full duplex / half duplex

2002-08-15 Thread David Johnson

I can't tell you how to force LM to set the card into full-duplex, but I can 
tell you that normally, a NIC's autodetect works pretty well.  The card 
should try to negotiate the best signalling speed and duplex level that it 
can.  If it did not autodetect full duplex, then it is highly likely that 
your hub/switch does not support that communication mode.

On Wednesday 14 August 2002 07:46 pm, Duke Glover wrote:
 Hello Mandrake gods,

 I am running Mandrake 8.0 on a HP Kayak XM600.  I have a linksys LNE100TX.
 mii-tool reports that it is running at 10Mbit, half duplex.  How can I set
 it to run at Full Duplex ?

 Thanks for any help,

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Re: [newbie] MK 9.0 Beta 2 Installation Error

2002-08-15 Thread Travis Crook

I fixed the install problem.  It was a bad burn.  
Now I have a different problem.  I ran the install 
and all is well up until it runs the bootloader 
configuration.  It starts the configuration and 
then just hangs.  Any ideas why?

I am running an Abit NV7-133, Athlon XP 1500 +, 
256 megs RAM, 80 GB IBM harddrive.  I currently 
have Windows98 SE installed (wanting a dual boot 
config).  

Thanks

Travis Crook


Hi all,
I was attempting to install 9.0 beta 2 
when I got the following error:

Error in exec of stage2 :-(
trying to execute /usr/bin/runinstall2
from the installation volume,
the following fatal error occurred
FATAL ERROR IN STAGE1: Not a 
directory.
I can't recover from this.
You may reboot your system.

Is this because I have a bad burn 
of the .iso image?  Or is it from 
some other cause?

Thanks

Travis Crook
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Re: [newbie] MK 9.0 Beta 2 Installation Error

2002-08-15 Thread Derek Jennings

On Thursday 15 Aug 2002 5:49 pm, Travis Crook wrote:
 I fixed the install problem.  It was a bad burn.
 Now I have a different problem.  I ran the install
 and all is well up until it runs the bootloader
 configuration.  It starts the configuration and
 then just hangs.  Any ideas why?


Not really, but since Beta3 is now out, it may not be worth spending too much 
time over. Good thing CDs are cheap  ;-)

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Re: [newbie] expired password

2002-08-15 Thread Norman Zhang

How do I get that if I am using GRUB? I don't see the linux single on the
menu.

Norman
- Original Message -
From: _nast-mdk81 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Norman Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Norman Zhang
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] expired password


On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:45, Norman Zhang wrote:
 Hi,

 My root password has expired. Is there any way that I can login to the
 system and change the password?

 Regards,
 Norman
Hello,
When LILO asks you to choose a boot option, select
linux single (may be slightly different spelling). Then you should
be able to do passwd root. Choose a nice password, cross your fingers
and reboot!

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[newbie] 9.0 Beta - Memory leak in drakconf ?

2002-08-15 Thread Derek Jennings

Could some of you good people running 9.0 Beta tell me if you experience the 
same as me so I can be sure it is a bug and not just something unique to my 
set up.

Open a root terminal and run drakconf  (Mandrake Control Centre), select 
Network Connection, but do not complete the wizard or anything.
Just open another teminal and run 'top'  and watch it.

Do you see the memory usage of drakconf slowly creeping up? As it goes up so 
does processor usage until the processor usage and the computer starts 
locking up? (X's memory goes up with drakconf)

(I am using drakconf-9.0-0.7mdk which is the version in Beta3)

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Re: [newbie] MK 9.0 Beta 2 Installation Error

2002-08-15 Thread Travis Crook

Well, since beta3 is out I might just wait until I can
try it!!

Thanks!

Travis Crook

 On Thursday 15 Aug 2002 5:49 pm, Travis Crook wrote:
  I fixed the install problem.  It was a bad burn.
  Now I have a different problem.  I ran the install
  and all is well up until it runs the bootloader
  configuration.  It starts the configuration and
  then just hangs.  Any ideas why?


 Not really, but since Beta3 is now out, it may not be worth spending too
much
 time over. Good thing CDs are cheap  ;-)

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Re: [newbie] MK 9.0 Beta 2 Installation Error

2002-08-15 Thread Alastair Scott

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On Thu 15 August 2002 6:04 pm, Derek Jennings wrote:

 On Thursday 15 Aug 2002 5:49 pm, Travis Crook wrote:
  I fixed the install problem.  It was a bad burn.
  Now I have a different problem.  I ran the install
  and all is well up until it runs the bootloader
  configuration.  It starts the configuration and
  then just hangs.  Any ideas why?

 Not really, but since Beta3 is now out, it may not be worth spending too
 much time over. Good thing CDs are cheap  ;-)

Lucky I read this before reinstalling 9.0 beta 2 (due to breaking about 36 
things following experiments :)

Was beta 3 announced anywhere? Certainly not on the [cooker] mailing list, and 
linux-mandrake.com still says beta 2 ...

Concerning (poor) Linux marketing, I note a serious missed opportunity. 
Apparently the SSL bug in Konqueror was fixed in an hour and a half. That 
should've been shouted from the rooftops, particularly as Microsoft hasn't 
done anything visible yet (last MS security update 7 August) ...

Instead kde.org is out of date, with the Applications list broken (? - not 
updated this month) :(

Alastair
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http://www.unmetered.org.uk/
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Re: [newbie] expired password

2002-08-15 Thread Norman Zhang

Please excuse my previous post. I did managed change the passwords. Thanks.

Regards,
Norman
- Original Message - 
From: Norman Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] expired password


How do I get that if I am using GRUB? I don't see the linux single on the
menu.

Norman
- Original Message -
From: _nast-mdk81 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Norman Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Norman Zhang
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] expired password


On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:45, Norman Zhang wrote:
 Hi,

 My root password has expired. Is there any way that I can login to the
 system and change the password?

 Regards,
 Norman
Hello,
When LILO asks you to choose a boot option, select
linux single (may be slightly different spelling). Then you should
be able to do passwd root. Choose a nice password, cross your fingers
and reboot!

Regards,
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Re: [newbie] Crontab weirdness

2002-08-15 Thread Paul

In reply to Randy's mail, d.d. Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:01:04 -0400:

 'stuur' is dutch for 'send'. It is indeed a script.

Ok, thanks!

No problem. Anything to teach you some dutch!  ;-)

 cmail (see mail) which runs getmail (I prefer that to fetchmail).
 I don't use any automatic polling program. I handle that through cron.

And getmail can't poll at intervals like fetchmail can?

Indeed, it can't. Getmail is a python script that I use in a very specific
setup. It cannot run in daemon mode.

 I doubt that the problem could be that I use 00, 04 and 05 instead of 0,
 4 and 5 in the time descriptors???

I don't think so, but I am not an expert.  I just took one shot in the
dark ;-)

I'll shoot again tonight and see what gives. Thanks anyway!!
Paul

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[newbie] Interesting comparision.

2002-08-15 Thread frankie

Has anyone noticed how XP doesn't have scandisk like previous versions of
Winblows?

instead they have chkdsk, which when running in write mode can only run
when the drive has nothing else running... (ie at boot do it can dismount
the drive if necessary..

sound familiar? they are now doing it the same way fsck does.. how
interesting is that..


just thought I'd pipe up with that, sorry, I'll try to keep my outbursts
down to a minimium... :-)


rgds

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[newbie] broke toolbar beta 9.0 2

2002-08-15 Thread jbarron201

I istalled X11r6 from #2 cd in RPM and somehow broke all
the icons on the tool bar. JOE



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Re: [newbie] Crontab weirdness

2002-08-15 Thread Randy Kramer

Paul wrote:
 No problem. Anything to teach you some dutch!  ;-)

Well, I do know a little bit of Pennsylvania dutch -- does that count?
;-)

Kannst due micha funga?  Nur wenn sie hugel bleibe ...  (sort of a
phonetic spelling)

 Indeed, it can't. Getmail is a python script that I use in a very specific
 setup. It cannot run in daemon mode.

Thanks (for the info)!

 I'll shoot again tonight and see what gives. Thanks anyway!!

Good luck!

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Re: [newbie] MK 9.0 Beta 2 Installation Error

2002-08-15 Thread Derek Jennings

On Thursday 15 Aug 2002 6:30 pm, Alastair Scott wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 On Thu 15 August 2002 6:04 pm, Derek Jennings wrote:
  On Thursday 15 Aug 2002 5:49 pm, Travis Crook wrote:
   I fixed the install problem.  It was a bad burn.
   Now I have a different problem.  I ran the install
   and all is well up until it runs the bootloader
   configuration.  It starts the configuration and
   then just hangs.  Any ideas why?
 
  Not really, but since Beta3 is now out, it may not be worth spending too
  much time over. Good thing CDs are cheap  ;-)

 Lucky I read this before reinstalling 9.0 beta 2 (due to breaking about 36
 things following experiments :)

 Was beta 3 announced anywhere? Certainly not on the [cooker] mailing list,
 and linux-mandrake.com still says beta 2 ...


I saw it on pclinuxonline, and yes it is on the mirrors.





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[newbie] Postfix and Email Server Questions

2002-08-15 Thread Randy Kramer

I've got my email server nearly working (includes fetchmail, postfix,
procmail, ipopd). ;-)

Main Problem: I can't send email to myself.

Sub Problem: My postfix logs don't seem to be running -- are there any
simple traps I'm liable to have fallen into which stop the postfix
logging mechanism?  The logs I'm checking are the info, warnings, and
errors logs in /var/log/mail.  Postfix is still running, but nothing has
appeared in these logs since mid afternoon yesterday.  The messages in
the info and warning logs concern an email message that had been sitting
there for 13 days (which is of no concern as I was only experimenting at
the time it was sent -- mail now seems to flow OK).  Hmm, I wonder what
I did about that time yesterday?

Background (on not being able to send email to myself):  (I was going to
try to find something in the logs, but ...).  Anyway:

   * I'm using postfix as the MTA, and most things seem to work.  I've
set relayhost to point to my ISP.  My home network is private, and my
machines are named like System8.Home (System8 is the host (machine)
name), and Home is the domain (not fully qualified, and not
registered).  My user name on system8 is dad, so I set a canonical_map
(two ways, i.e., for send and receive, IIUC) to map [EMAIL PROTECTED] to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Other than that, my setup is fairly vanilla -- the
only other parameters I've set are:

   * defer_transports=smtp
   * disable_dns_lookups=yes
   * canonical_maps=hash:/etc/postfix/canonical

This is all on Mandrake 7.2 (actually the MandrakeFreq update).  All the
other settings are, IIRC, as they were upon installation.

I do know that if I send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] directly to my ISP
(not via my server) it goes to them and comes back later.  If I send it
via my server, it just seems to disappear (although I suppose it could
be at my ISP, waiting to get a nondelivery notice after five days).

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Re: [newbie] Postfix and Email Server Questions

2002-08-15 Thread Randy Kramer

Oops, I probably should have mentioned that the problem occurs when I
try to send mail to myself addressed as [EMAIL PROTECTED].  (I haven't
tried addressing it as [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I will in case it provides
a clue.)

Randy Kramer

Randy Kramer wrote:
 
 I've got my email server nearly working (includes fetchmail, postfix,
 procmail, ipopd). ;-)
 
 Main Problem: I can't send email to myself.
 
 Sub Problem: My postfix logs don't seem to be running -- are there any
 simple traps I'm liable to have fallen into which stop the postfix
 logging mechanism?  The logs I'm checking are the info, warnings, and
 errors logs in /var/log/mail.  Postfix is still running, but nothing has
 appeared in these logs since mid afternoon yesterday.  The messages in
 the info and warning logs concern an email message that had been sitting
 there for 13 days (which is of no concern as I was only experimenting at
 the time it was sent -- mail now seems to flow OK).  Hmm, I wonder what
 I did about that time yesterday?
 
 Background (on not being able to send email to myself):  (I was going to
 try to find something in the logs, but ...).  Anyway:
 
* I'm using postfix as the MTA, and most things seem to work.  I've
 set relayhost to point to my ISP.  My home network is private, and my
 machines are named like System8.Home (System8 is the host (machine)
 name), and Home is the domain (not fully qualified, and not
 registered).  My user name on system8 is dad, so I set a canonical_map
 (two ways, i.e., for send and receive, IIUC) to map [EMAIL PROTECTED] to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Other than that, my setup is fairly vanilla -- the
 only other parameters I've set are:
 
* defer_transports=smtp
* disable_dns_lookups=yes
* canonical_maps=hash:/etc/postfix/canonical
 
 This is all on Mandrake 7.2 (actually the MandrakeFreq update).  All the
 other settings are, IIRC, as they were upon installation.
 
 I do know that if I send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] directly to my ISP
 (not via my server) it goes to them and comes back later.  If I send it
 via my server, it just seems to disappear (although I suppose it could
 be at my ISP, waiting to get a nondelivery notice after five days).
 
 Randy Kramer
 
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Re: [newbie] MK 9.0 Beta 2 Installation Error

2002-08-15 Thread Miark

Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith:

 Not really, but since Beta3 is now out, it may not be worth 
 spending too much time over. Good thing CDs are cheap  ;-)

Where? I've gone through a dozen mirrors linked from Mandrakesoft
and only see Beta 2.

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Re: [newbie] MK 9.0 Beta 2 Installation Error

2002-08-15 Thread Derek Jennings

On Thursday 15 Aug 2002 8:34 pm, Miark wrote:
 Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith:
  Not really, but since Beta3 is now out, it may not be worth
  spending too much time over. Good thing CDs are cheap  ;-)

 Where? I've gone through a dozen mirrors linked from Mandrakesoft
 and only see Beta 2.

 Miark


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[newbie] Upgrading Mozilla

2002-08-15 Thread Anne Wilson

I'm fairly sure my Mozilla got corrupted a while back, as I seem to have 
problems that didn't exist before.  Is it possible to d/l 1.0 and use it to 
upgrade the current installation, so that I can keep my settings, bookmarks, 
plugins etc.?

Anne



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Re: [newbie] test

2002-08-15 Thread Anne Wilson

On Wednesday 14 Aug 2002 9:22 pm, you wrote:
 This was cleary an essay-test...

 -Original Message-
 From: et [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 4:21 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] test

 On Wednesday 14 August 2002 04:05 pm, you wrote:
  This is a test message because two of my postings have not been
  presented.

But then I never saw the original post of this thread.  As for posts not 
showing up generally, I check my sent-mail folder and usually find that the 
post had gone back to a poster rather than the list.  HTH

Anne



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Re: [newbie] Ugly font

2002-08-15 Thread Anne Wilson

On Thursday 15 Aug 2002 1:19 pm, you wrote:
 On Thursday 15 Aug 2002 12:02 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
  I would dearly like to get rid of that aweful ADMono font, but I can't
  identify it to delete it.  Can anyone point me at the location?
 
  Anne

 No,  but you do not have to use it if you do not want to.

 Does this mean you are having problems with your requested fonts being
 substituted with AD Mono?  If so you can probably fix that by turning
 AntiAliasing off in KDE Control Centre.

 (On my screen the fonts look great with AA off, but for some people they
 become ugly.  In that case try playing with screen resolutions and density.
 For example on my screen 1280x1024 16bit has great looking fonts, while
 1280x1024 24 bit has ugly fonts)

 derek

For some reason when I checked AA they all defaulted to AD Mono.  You're 
right - turning it off again has solved the problem.

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Re: [newbie] Spontaneous logout

2002-08-15 Thread Anne Wilson

On Thursday 15 Aug 2002 8:25 am, you wrote:
 On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, daRcmaTTeR wrote:


 Anne,

 I had such an experience for a lng period until I realized (with the
 help pf list members) that it was a problem (conflict) between mdk8.1 and
 kde3 when using *any* screen saver and/or power saving!

 I have disable all those features and for now I'm just using the 'padlock'
 icon on kde3 to 'protect' the monitor *and* for long periods, turning off
 the monitor power!!

 Those logouts almost drove me crazy, they could happen **any** time... not
 only for 'power saving' and screen saver, with some nice motifs,
 conditions! ;-((

 So far I've found the problem not the solution though

 rgd,


 Ricardo

 On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Anne Wilson wrote:
  I've just had the most unnervin exeperience.  I had two directories,
  KMail and several documents open under OpenOffice, copying and pasting
  away, when suddenly the screen blacked briefly then brought up the login
  screen.  I shall now have to sort out which documents might have been
  affected by this - I certainly hadn't saved them for a while, so
  there'll be lost work at least. Let's hope there isn't file corruption
  too.
  Anyone any idea what might have happened?
  Anne
 
 Anne,
 well, look at it this way. it's not a total loss. you were, after all,
 able to get copy and paste to work in OpenOffice. thats quite an
 accomplishment. apart from that it merely sounds as though your X server
 crashed. i doubt you've got any serious file corruption. maybe to the
 files you had open if that.

Thanks Reicardo.  I'm still on KDE2, but I'll check out the power saving etc. 
 I thought I had disabled them all, but I may have missed something.

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Re: [newbie] MK 9.0 Beta 2 Installation Error

2002-08-15 Thread Derek Jennings

On Thursday 15 Aug 2002 8:39 pm, Derek Jennings wrote:
 On Thursday 15 Aug 2002 8:34 pm, Miark wrote:
  Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith:
   Not really, but since Beta3 is now out, it may not be worth
   spending too much time over. Good thing CDs are cheap  ;-)
 
  Where? I've gone through a dozen mirrors linked from Mandrakesoft
  and only see Beta 2.
 
  Miark

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 ftp.citil.fr

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Re: [newbie] Interesting comparision.

2002-08-15 Thread Tom Brinkman

On Thursday August 15 2002 01:32 pm, frankie wrote:
 Has anyone noticed how XP doesn't have scandisk like previous
 versions of Winblows?

 instead they have chkdsk, which when running in write mode can only
 run when the drive has nothing else running... (ie at boot do it can
 dismount the drive if necessary..

 sound familiar? they are now doing it the same way fsck does.. how
 interesting is that..

   Winblows always use to have 'chkdsk' which could only be run in DOS, 
before the win9x versions began sporting 'scandisk'.  To this day, the 
DOS version of scandisk, /c/windows/command/scandisk.exe,  and uses 
/c/windows/command/chkdsk.exe (that's from my W98 install and'a 
'locate' from Linux, so forgive the 'backward' foward slashes ;), does 
a more thorough (also potentially more dangerous to non-M$ partitions) 
check/fix than the versions that can run under their bloaty GUI. You 
have to hack win9x/ME a touch to get to the underlying pure DOS tho.  
Same for their Registry fix/compress tools (scanreg /fix, scanreg 
/opt).  M$ just keeps tryin harder an' harder to hide 'em from users 
'cause can they can fsck up (both M$ and their users ;)

   So I don't believe they're now doin it, sounds more like business 
as usual or a regression (innnovation in M$peak) to me  specially 
since they keep wanna stickin with proprietary file systems that suck, 
only improvement are that M$ continues to make them more proprietary.  
So I guess there's nothin new at all ;)   Well, 'cept for needin to 
agree to give M$ root class privledges to your software, and rights to 
your personal information and some other user concessions just so you 
can apply their bug fix service packs to w2K or XP.
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Re: [newbie] 9.0 Beta - Memory leak in drakconf ?

2002-08-15 Thread Charles A Edwards

On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:47:19 -0500
Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 've seen mozilla, galeon and many /contrib apps reported 
 (mostly on the CHRPM list, some on the cooker list).

Just a note on mozilla an galeon.
Both of these are in b3 and will be in the final compiled with gcc-2.9.6
to allow java to work.
It seems that None of the java vendors have any plan to source it other
than in its currently compiled releases.


Charles

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RE: [newbie] Interesting comparision.

2002-08-15 Thread frankie

yeah, someone gave me a cracked corp copy of XP, and I wanted to know how/if
it worked, so I installed it..

now my legit win2000pro machine on my network, and my XP machine, (no longer
with the cracked version) both find No updates in windows update, even
though this time last month, there were a heap of them, including .NET stuff
etc..

So I can only assume that M$ has my static IP in a database somewhere and
has locked me out of windows update regardless of what OS I have.. (although
it did work with a 98SE machine I setup for a friend. (also legit.) (I'm
gonna try going through an annonomiser proxy next and see if that works.)

I think its time software became a possession, like a car, your PC's
hardware your lounge etc.. instead of a lease. (which it more or less is
now.) if I paid for it, I should own those binaries... and can do with them
what I like. (with the exception of replicating them and selling the
replicants.) (I'm talking about no source commercial software, not open
source)

Does anyone find it ironic that M$ chose the service packs to change the
license agreement ?? they now give themselves the right to have your PC send
them your product ID and other info if you accept the license on loading the
service pack.

I hope mdk9 rules, because I want to ditch all copies of winblows 2000/XP
and just keep a win98SE machine around (or win4lin and run it in linux) for
those things that just need winblows for now...

I am so sick of crashes and sh!t, and the crap M$ are handing out to people
to blind or stupid to realise that what they have been handed is brown,
mushy and doesn't smell that hot..

If they think they are in trouble now, wait till they crush their own
illusion that people own their windows operating system by introducing their
subscription model as their main license..

then people will flock to *nix and macs like never before...

I desperatly want that to happen, because once all the commercial companies
start releasing their versions for linux (and driver support etc.) then the
freefall will begin.. the masses will swarm linux and by then it will be
more intuitative then ever and people will be saying Bill who???

anyway, enough raving, I've gone and stayed up all night again surfing the
net.. time for bed.

rgds

frank







-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Brinkman
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 6:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Interesting comparision.


On Thursday August 15 2002 01:32 pm, frankie wrote:
 Has anyone noticed how XP doesn't have scandisk like previous
 versions of Winblows?

 instead they have chkdsk, which when running in write mode can only
 run when the drive has nothing else running... (ie at boot do it can
 dismount the drive if necessary..

 sound familiar? they are now doing it the same way fsck does.. how
 interesting is that..

   Winblows always use to have 'chkdsk' which could only be run in DOS,
before the win9x versions began sporting 'scandisk'.  To this day, the
DOS version of scandisk, /c/windows/command/scandisk.exe,  and uses
/c/windows/command/chkdsk.exe (that's from my W98 install and'a
'locate' from Linux, so forgive the 'backward' foward slashes ;), does
a more thorough (also potentially more dangerous to non-M$ partitions)
check/fix than the versions that can run under their bloaty GUI. You
have to hack win9x/ME a touch to get to the underlying pure DOS tho.
Same for their Registry fix/compress tools (scanreg /fix, scanreg
/opt).  M$ just keeps tryin harder an' harder to hide 'em from users
'cause can they can fsck up (both M$ and their users ;)

   So I don't believe they're now doin it, sounds more like business
as usual or a regression (innnovation in M$peak) to me  specially
since they keep wanna stickin with proprietary file systems that suck,
only improvement are that M$ continues to make them more proprietary.
So I guess there's nothin new at all ;)   Well, 'cept for needin to
agree to give M$ root class privledges to your software, and rights to
your personal information and some other user concessions just so you
can apply their bug fix service packs to w2K or XP.
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Re: [newbie] Postfix and Email Server Questions

2002-08-15 Thread Randy Kramer

Derek Jennings wrote:
 
 On Thursday 15 Aug 2002 8:07 pm, Randy Kramer wrote:
  Oops, I probably should have mentioned that the problem occurs when I
  try to send mail to myself addressed as [EMAIL PROTECTED].  (I haven't
  tried addressing it as [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I will in case it provides
  a clue.)
 
  Randy Kramer
 
  Randy Kramer wrote:
   I've got my email server nearly working (includes fetchmail, postfix,
   procmail, ipopd). ;-)
  
   Main Problem: I can't send email to myself.
  
   Sub Problem: My postfix logs don't seem to be running -- are there any
   simple traps I'm liable to have fallen into which stop the postfix
   logging mechanism?  The logs I'm checking are the info, warnings, and
   errors logs in /var/log/mail.  Postfix is still running, but nothing has
   appeared in these logs since mid afternoon yesterday.  The messages in
   the info and warning logs concern an email message that had been sitting
   there for 13 days (which is of no concern as I was only experimenting at
   the time it was sent -- mail now seems to flow OK).  Hmm, I wonder what
   I did about that time yesterday?
  
   Background (on not being able to send email to myself):  (I was going to
   try to find something in the logs, but ...).  Anyway:
  
  * I'm using postfix as the MTA, and most things seem to work.  I've
   set relayhost to point to my ISP.  My home network is private, and my
   machines are named like System8.Home (System8 is the host (machine)
   name), and Home is the domain (not fully qualified, and not
   registered).  My user name on system8 is dad, so I set a canonical_map
   (two ways, i.e., for send and receive, IIUC) to map [EMAIL PROTECTED] to
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Other than that, my setup is fairly vanilla -- the
   only other parameters I've set are:
  
  * defer_transports=smtp
  * disable_dns_lookups=yes
  * canonical_maps=hash:/etc/postfix/canonical
  
   This is all on Mandrake 7.2 (actually the MandrakeFreq update).  All the
   other settings are, IIRC, as they were upon installation.
  
   I do know that if I send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] directly to my ISP
   (not via my server) it goes to them and comes back later.  If I send it
   via my server, it just seems to disappear (although I suppose it could
   be at my ISP, waiting to get a nondelivery notice after five days).
  
   Randy Kramer
  
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Derek,

Thanks very much for your reply!

I realized a little later that I still had the myhostname and myorigin
set to fast.net which was part of my problem.  (And, at least for the
myhostname was a definite mistake.)  Once I removed those, I could send
mail to myself.

Now I realize that some of what I want to do is at crosspurposes with
some other things I want to do.  

For example:
   * My mail on the Internet needs to look like it's coming from
[EMAIL PROTECTED] so that:
  * mail hosts that will only relay for a known subscriber will
relay for me (I guess that depends on the envelope address), and
  * replies to emails I send will come back to me (I guess that
depends on the header address)
   
AFAICT, I need an entry in canonical to change my local address
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) to the one that's valid on the Internet
([EMAIL PROTECTED]), at least when I send mail from the Linux mail
server (which I will do on occasion) -- my Windows email client
(Netscape) lets me specify my email address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) so at
least the header address on outgoing mail is correct

   * On the other hand, on my local network, there is more than one
user, and, it would be ideal for local mail to use addresses like
[EMAIL PROTECTED] so that ruth or [EMAIL PROTECTED] could send mail
directly to me (and vice versa) and be handled by the local mail server
(the one I'm setting up) instead of going out to my ISPs mail server and
then coming back.

All in all, I find it very confusing, and I guess it's partially because
I'm doing something somewhat out of the ordinary (sharing one outside
world email address among several family members).

Anyway, I do want to thank you, I think I'm back on track to accomplish
something (even if it's just to redetermine what I'm trying to do). 
(And writing this is sort of a thinking on paper exercise that hopefully
helps me do that.)

I have more comments / questions below, if anyone has time to respond to
any of them.

 Well if mail from your ISP comes into your clients mailbox then that confirms
 fetchmail is getting it OK, and procmail is working.  There should be a
 procmail log associated with each mail.
 There should also be a postfix log record when a mail comes in.   (Syslog
 should also record the passage of the mail)

I found the syslog and can see things happening there.  I know where the
procmail log is and have looked at it (right now my bigger concern is
outgoing 

Re: [newbie] 9.0 Beta - Memory leak in drakconf ?

2002-08-15 Thread Dennis Myers

On Thursday 15 August 2002 12:18 pm, Derek Jennings wrote:
 Could some of you good people running 9.0 Beta tell me if you experience
 the same as me so I can be sure it is a bug and not just something unique
 to my set up.

 Open a root terminal and run drakconf  (Mandrake Control Centre), select
 Network Connection, but do not complete the wizard or anything.
 Just open another teminal and run 'top'  and watch it.

 Do you see the memory usage of drakconf slowly creeping up? As it goes up
 so does processor usage until the processor usage and the computer starts
 locking up? (X's memory goes up with drakconf)

 (I am using drakconf-9.0-0.7mdk which is the version in Beta3)

 derek
I tried it and yes the memory usage does go up very slowly but cpu jumps 
around a lot and does not climb. The memory usage is a slow but steady climb, 
I did not wait to see it get hi enough to lock up the sys but it did go from 
about 2.4% to 3.2% in 5 minutes. Does seem to be a leak there, anyone else 
check it?
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[newbie] How to configure KMail to get mail from local mail file

2002-08-15 Thread David Johnson

I've just configured fetchmail and gotten it working with postfix and 
messages are being delivered to my local mail file (/var/spool/mail/djohnson).

I have configured KMail to get the mail from this same local file, but the 
messages do not show up in KMail.  I think I am missing something simple, but 
am at a loss as to what it might be.

When I set up the incoming mail account, I simply accepted all the defaults 
for a local mail file except that I checked Enable interval mail checking.

Does anyone have any ideas for me?

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Re: [newbie] MK 9.0 Beta 2 Installation Error

2002-08-15 Thread Charlie M.

On Thursday 15 August 2002 01:39 pm, Derek Jennings wrote:
 On Thursday 15 Aug 2002 8:34 pm, Miark wrote:
  Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith:
   Not really, but since Beta3 is now out, it may not be worth
   spending too much time over. Good thing CDs are cheap  ;-)
 
  Where? I've gone through a dozen mirrors linked from Mandrakesoft
  and only see Beta 2.
 
  Miark

 ftp.sunet.se
 ftp.citil.fr

and at:
ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/Mandrake-iso/i586/

The mirrors are obviously not all updated yet but that's three. :-)
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Re: [newbie] Postfix and Email Server Questions

2002-08-15 Thread Derek Jennings

SNIP
 Now I realize that some of what I want to do is at crosspurposes with
 some other things I want to do.

 For example:
* My mail on the Internet needs to look like it's coming from
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that:
   * mail hosts that will only relay for a known subscriber will
 relay for me (I guess that depends on the envelope address), and
   * replies to emails I send will come back to me (I guess that
 depends on the header address)

 AFAICT, I need an entry in canonical to change my local address
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) to the one that's valid on the Internet
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), at least when I send mail from the Linux mail
 server (which I will do on occasion) -- my Windows email client
 (Netscape) lets me specify my email address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) so at
 least the header address on outgoing mail is correct
SNIP

I have a similar setup myself. Because I do not have a Fully Qualified Domain 
Name, anyone I send mail to could reject it because the IP address would not 
match the domain name. 

 So that is why I relay via my ISP's SMTP server. Then a reverse DNS would 
look OK because the IP address of the host sending the mail will match the 
host name in the header (my ISPs)  My ISPs mail server does not mind my not 
having a registered host name, because I am directly connected to their 
network, so they know who I am.
 Mail servers do not bother looking at the 'From' field in the mail because 
you could be using a different identity.  (For example this mail apparently 
comes from cwcom.net while in fact my ISP is ntlworld)

The identity of who is sending the mail is simply set up in the mail client. 
Kmail for example allows you to assume an identity based on which folder you 
are currently browsing.

Take a look at the headers of this mail, and you can trace it through my 
system.(Read from bottom up)

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Re: [newbie] Screensaver

2002-08-15 Thread Jose Mirles

On Wed, 2002-08-14 at 23:32, shane wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 On Wednesday 14 August 2002 6:35 pm, Jose Mirles did speak unto the huddled 
 masses, saying:
 
  I would like to use xscreensaver in Windowmanager under Mandrake 8.2. My
  question is, how to I create a menu entry to lock the screen when I want
  to?
 
 rather than a menu entry, try right clicking the taskbar, go to add  applet 
  lock/logout.  that should give you a nice little button to lock the 
 screen (as well as logout) on the taskbar by the system tray area.


Oops! I meant Window Maker.

-- 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [newbie] 9.0 Beta - Memory leak in drakconf ?

2002-08-15 Thread Tom Brinkman

On Thursday August 15 2002 05:19 pm, Derek Jennings wrote:
 On Thursday 15 Aug 2002 10:47 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote:

  FWIW, I'm usin drakconf-9.0-0.6mdk in beta2 'urpmi
  --auto-select' updated to cooker within hours of the beta 3
  gcc/libs switch over, no problems. Also, some apps were not yet
  rebuilt for gcc-3.2-0.3 before the beta 3 iso's started appearing.
  Some might not be yet, or any time soon.  I've seen mozilla, galeon
  and many /contrib apps reported (mostly on the CHRPM list, some on
  the cooker list).

 Like you I am running Beta2 with urpmi --auto-select keeping me
 current.  I have observed this problem since I installed Beta2. I am
 just downloading Beta3 and shall try again in a fresh install
 tomorrow.
 I just wanted to get some corroberation before I report it as a
 problem to Cooker since I cannot believe I am the only person who has
 noticed. I shall also be looking closely to see if some other issues
 with the drak tools are still present.

 (BTW: You do not say if you can see the problem?)

 derek

Usually I pay the most attention to mem leaks right after I do a 
kernel change, tho it is something I sort'a regulaly check. Never seen 
anything more than a few mb's of /swap used, 'free -m' numbers are 
consistent and normal. I've run 9.0 since early June, 24/7, used as my 
only system. Several different kernels. Some precompiled, but mostly my 
own compiles of Mandrake's kernel-source rpms . and no, I haven't 
experienced any leaks.

 A very few times along the way I've had a coupl'a apps that showed 
a propensity for going to 100% cpu usage. Since I monitor cpu temp and 
load constantly, I've usually found those were fixed by my next cooker 
'urpmi --auto-select'.  Which on a dialup is done often, almost 
constantly.  The very serious cooker participants are rsync'ing to 
cooker mirrors on very high speed connections, many doin so hourly, or 
at least several times daily. So I pay particular attention to what 
they're reporting. Sometimes learning _not_ to upgrade to this patch 
level of a particular app, 'least till some other apps had been fixed 
to match.

I believe your main problem is you're usin beta3's version of 
drakconf on beta2+cooker. Maybe some other drak(e), perl, drakxtools, 
hardrake, mcc, rpm(drake) patch level mismatches possible too. That's 
what I meant by 'volatile' in my previous post. Ain't gonna fly ;) The 
only thing that saved me from a similar fate is Tues. night after 
starting an auto urpmi cooker update, I was reading the changelog and 
cooker lists. They weren't rebuildin everything against the new 
gcc/libs for nothin ;  I cancelled the d/l's as it was apparent I was 
fixin to _really screw up_ my beta2+cooker with some newer, 
incompatible gcc/beta3 stuff ;So I can only encourage y'all... if 
your gonna play with cooker, reading (lurkin on) the cooker lists is, 
IMO mandatory. 
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Re: [newbie] samba GUI interface

2002-08-15 Thread Erylon Hines

Not supposed to be--it's there, and on the 3rd disk of 8.2 under the rpms4 
section.  It does require that smbmnt,smbumount and smbmount have their 
permissions set correctly--that's really all the configuration needed.  I've 
used it for years.

e


 There is a program call LinNeighborhood out there that is supposed to be
 somewhat like Winsux Network Neighborhood, but I haven't played with that.

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Re: [newbie] Interesting comparision.

2002-08-15 Thread Todd Slater

On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:02:09 +0800
frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip 
 I am so sick of crashes and sh!t, and the crap M$ are handing out to
 people to blind or stupid to realise that what they have been handed is
 brown, mushy and doesn't smell that hot..
 
 If they think they are in trouble now, wait till they crush their own
 illusion that people own their windows operating system by introducing
 their subscription model as their main license..
 
 then people will flock to *nix and macs like never before...
 
 I desperatly want that to happen, because once all the commercial
 companies start releasing their versions for linux (and driver support
 etc.) then the freefall will begin.. the masses will swarm linux and by
 then it will be more intuitative then ever and people will be saying
 Bill who???
 
 anyway, enough raving, I've gone and stayed up all night again surfing
 the net.. time for bed.
 
 rgds
 
 frank

I watched Steve Jobs keynote address from Mac World in streaming mpeg4
with AAC audio on QuickTime 6, and if it hadn't been for the eye candy, I
could have sworn I was watching an M$ show. The new Mac business model
looks a lot like the M$ model--moving to subscription services (that were
once free). I guess Mac OSX users are especially pissed that they will
have to pay full price for Jaguar (or, Jagwire as Steve says). To stay
current with Mac OS would have involved several pricey upgrades in a short
time.

I was seriously considering buying a Mac until I watched his address.
Sure, OSX looks cool, but I have a feeling there are a lot of hidden costs
waiting down the road. I'm really happy with Mandrake Linux, and you can't
beat the price and the support community. I wouldn't even be surprised to
see the Mac fanatics defect at some point.

Cheers,
Todd


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teacher's ability to do sums, rather than the village bum's ability to
whittle sticks and smoke cigarettes. The reason why the child does not is
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Re: [newbie] Postfix and Email Server Questions

2002-08-15 Thread Randy Kramer

Derek,

Thanks for the followup!

I was curious so I tried sending you mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- it
basically bounced so I assume that is not a good Internet email
address for you.  (There was also a reference to spews, so possibly it
is your address, but currently blacklisted?)

quote
Hi. This is the qmail-send program at newmx1.fast.net.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
212.187.213.75 does not like recipient.
Remote host said: 553 [1] misc13, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S610
Giving up on 212.187.213.75.
/quote

Anyway, I was curious.



Derek Jennings wrote:
 The identity of who is sending the mail is simply set up in the mail client.
 Kmail for example allows you to assume an identity based on which folder you
 are currently browsing.

That's a good point -- I did some looking and found that even Pine let's
you set the email address of your identity -- I guess I assumed Pine
would not have that capability -- now I'm assuming all email clients
have that ability.  I guess I'll see what happens. ;-)  (I don't suppose
there is an easy way of doing that for mail sent from the command line? 
Don't answer -- it's just idle curiosity.)

Anyway, assuming they all have that capability, I now realize it does
make more sense for me to use that ability rather than the canonical
mapping capability because I can then send mail as [EMAIL PROTECTED] on
the Internet or [EMAIL PROTECTED] locally.  About as good as I'm going to
get, I suspect.

(Aside: I did figure out how to use a canonical map for sending only --
basically in the Postfix config file you specify a sender_canonical_map
(or recipient_canonical_map) file the same way you would specify a
bidirectional canonical map and then create the file.)

 Take a look at the headers of this mail, and you can trace it through my
 system.(Read from bottom up)

I took a brief look -- I wonder if somebody has created a GUI email
header parser that displays the headers in some way to easily make sense
of them?

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Re: [newbie] Interesting comparision.

2002-08-15 Thread Tom Brinkman

On Thursday August 15 2002 06:02 pm, frankie wrote:
 yeah, someone gave me a cracked corp copy of XP, and I wanted to know
 how/if it worked, so I installed it..

 now my legit win2000pro machine on my network, and my XP machine, (no
 longer with the cracked version) both find No updates in windows
 update, even though this time last month, there were a heap of them,
 including .NET stuff etc..

 So I can only assume that M$ has my static IP in a database somewhere
 and has locked me out of windows update regardless of what OS I
 have.. (although it did work with a 98SE machine I setup for a
 friend. (also legit.) (I'm gonna try going through an annonomiser
 proxy next and see if that works.)

 http://www.theregus.com/content/4/25996.html   might help, I dunno, 
I haven't given Billy a nickel in a long time.
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Re: [newbie] Crontab weirdness (solved, I think)

2002-08-15 Thread Paul

In reply to Randy's mail, d.d. Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:33:10 -0400:

 Indeed, it can't. Getmail is a python script that I use in a very
specific setup. It cannot run in daemon mode.

Thanks (for the info)!

 I'll shoot again tonight and see what gives. Thanks anyway!!

The problem seems to have resolved itself. Almost. I removed the zeroes from
the numbers and that works. Perhaps I am kidding myself with this though, I
have other crontab lines with 05 etc in them and they work just like that.

Paul

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Re: [newbie] Interesting comparision.

2002-08-15 Thread Isaac Curtis

(response below)

 I watched Steve Jobs keynote address from Mac World in streaming mpeg4
 with AAC audio on QuickTime 6, and if it hadn't been for the eye candy, I
 could have sworn I was watching an M$ show. The new Mac business model
 looks a lot like the M$ model--moving to subscription services (that were
 once free). I guess Mac OSX users are especially pissed that they will
 have to pay full price for Jaguar (or, Jagwire as Steve says). To stay
 current with Mac OS would have involved several pricey upgrades in a short
 time.

 I was seriously considering buying a Mac until I watched his address.
 Sure, OSX looks cool, but I have a feeling there are a lot of hidden costs
 waiting down the road. I'm really happy with Mandrake Linux, and you can't
 beat the price and the support community. I wouldn't even be surprised to
 see the Mac fanatics defect at some point.

 Cheers,
 Todd

Do you not find L-M to be expensive down the road? I am psyched about Linux, 
but frustrated that I have to go without updates that could really help me 
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[newbie] localizing EveryBuddy / Gaim

2002-08-15 Thread Isaac Curtis

Hey all,

I'm always annoyed when I've got ten desktops buzzing along, all my work 
crisply compartmentalized, and all of a sudden I get an IM on a desktop I am 
trying to do something else with. I have to go to the trouble of closing it, 
returning to my IM desktop, returning the message and waiting for a response 
to my response so that I can make the IM stay where I want it to. Then of 
course I go back about my business, checking in to the IM desktop every 
minute or so, until I get another message from another person and the whole 
mess starts all over again.

Am I an imbassyl? 




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Re: [newbie] localizing EveryBuddy / Gaim

2002-08-15 Thread Isaac Curtis

this was not supposed to send
KMail sucks
it was saved as a draft and KMail autosent it the next time I logged in
I'll re-submit once I finish it

Apologies,
Isaac



On Thursday 15 August 2002 22:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey all,

 I'm always annoyed when I've got ten desktops buzzing along, all my work
 crisply compartmentalized, and all of a sudden I get an IM on a desktop I
 am trying to do something else with. I have to go to the trouble of closing
 it, returning to my IM desktop, returning the message and waiting for a
 response to my response so that I can make the IM stay where I want it to.
 Then of course I go back about my business, checking in to the IM desktop
 every minute or so, until I get another message from another person and the
 whole mess starts all over again.

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[newbie] User permission changed automatically?

2002-08-15 Thread Bela Markus


I want to hide home dirs of users and to assign 700 permission to users home
directroy in /home from 755, but changing it manually after some time this
is restored. I have umask 020 for users, 022 for root. How can I stop this
automatic action?

MK 8.2 with SAMBA

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[newbie] System Support Checklist

2002-08-15 Thread Isaac Curtis

Dear L-M crew:

I'm putting together a computer based very much around the recommendations 
from the Thompsan's over at www.hardwareguys.com. I've built several computer 
before, but have come to trust their picks a lot over the last few months and 
I'm generally confident that anything they suggest would be Linux-ready, but 
I wanted to check with you all first to see if there was anything I should be 
worried about before I go busting out my debit card. Here's the system (all 
prices include shipping):

Initial System: (~September 2002)

$128 Antec SX840 Workstation Tower
$56 AMD Duron ~1.2 MHz processor (maybe faster if prices drop)
$54 ECS K7S5A 1.x or 3.x motherboard
- SiS 735 Chipset
- AC '97 Audio
- Onboard ethernet
$127 516 MB PC2100 CL2.5 DDR-SDRAM DIMM (single stick)
$65 ATI Radeon 7500 64MB video card (with DVI support for my FSB)
$78 Seagate Barracuda ATA IV 7200 RPM 40.0 GB IDE hard drive
$45 Toshiba SD-M1612 DVD/CD-ROM drive
$10 TEAC FD-235F floppy drive
$102 APC Back-UPS Office 500
$84 Logitech Cordless Keyboard  Mouse (optical)
$620 Hitachi CMLSXWB700+ 17 FPD Monitor

Total Cost: ~$1350 (and all on newegg.com... all the best prices in one 
place, it was crazy... let me know if there are better deals but this is what 
pricewatch  pricescan yielded)

First Upgrade: (~January 2003)

~$140 Plextor 16/10/40A CD-RW drive
~$70 Turtle Beach Santa Cruz sound card (up to 5.1 compatible)
~$150 Altec Lansing ATP4 speakers (4.1 system)

Upgrade Cost #1: ~$370

Second Upgrade: (~Summer 2004)
$??? AMD Athlon XP ~2.2 GHz processor
$??? 516 MB PC2100 CL2.5 DDR-SDRAM DIMM

Upgrade Cost #2: $150 (I'll buy whatever speed XP keeps the cost in that 
range)

Total System Cost: $1750-$2000

So that's what I'm looking at, a middle-term system that's highly upgradable 
and that should tide me over for about four years. Okay, my first and most 
obvious question is: are there any configuration nightmares / all-out 
compatibility conflicts here? For example, AC '97 audio was (is) an absolute 
MONSTER to configure on my ABIT VH6-II P3 system, and while I'm all about 
participating in the learning curve sometimes just for the sake of learning 
the hard way, I absolutely refuse to put up with that whole mess again. I'll 
be upgrading to a decent soundcard pretty soon so the AC '97 isn't so much of 
an issue to me, but that's the kind of feedback I'm looking for. Of course 
I'd also appreciate it if you let me in on personal experiences like if your 
power supply exploded and killed your pet hampster. 

My biggest compatibility concerns are the FPD monitor (is DVI output even 
supported in Linux?), the wireless input devices (my IBM wireless works fine, 
but it's slow waking up and it has to be pointed right directly at the base 
station-- not Mandrake's fault of course but I'm equally concerned about the 
hardware itself so feel free to share your rants. Last but certainly not 
least I'm a little uncomfortable with the Duron. It won't be in there for 
long, I figure once AMD drops the Hammer series this December Athlon prices 
will crash and I can upgrade this to a high-end XP and double the RAM for 
under $150 within 18 months. Still, how do Duron's perform? Do they hold up 
in Linux? It's going to be a Linux-only system so that's all that matters to 
me.

Alright, I've wasted enough of your time for one evening. I'll give a quick 
synopsis of what kind of feedback I'm looking for then I'm out. Peace.

1. Are there any items that are patently incompatible with Linux, and L-M in 
particular?
2. Are there any items that are a hassle to negotiate with Linux, and L-M in 
particular?
3. Is my 17 flat panel display DVI-connector monitor supported by Linux, and 
L-M in particular?
4. Does the Duron run okay, particulary under Linux  L-M?
5. Can I get these parts cheaper by shopping around? Literally every single 
component was cheaper on newegg.com than on any other site, and I scanned 
half a dozen personal favorites as well as priceline and pricewatch with no 
reliable competition. Let me know if I'm missing something.

I have links to product information and specs for every single item, but I 
couldn't find a way to do it without either using html or just making the 
email look (even more) hideous and jumbled. Thanks for any help you can 
provide, and if you're interested in product links let me know.

Thanks much,
Isaac



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