Re: [newbie] Linux + Mainstream
Josh McCaffrey wrote: Seth Gibson wrote: Greets all! In real life i work at a Costco Warehouse, for those who dont know, its a warehouse store similar to Sam's Club. As i was walking the floor today i noticed that we started selling MacMillian(sp) Complete Linux 6.5. Right next to Win98 Upgd. How's that for mainstream? God grant Win98 boxes outnumbered Linux boxes by a factor greater than 2 to 1 but its a start eh? Oh, yeah, and Best Buy sells several distros for 1/2 what M$ Windows uprades are. Caldera, SuSe, Redhat, Mandrake, Slackware, etc... It's neat, b/c Widows takes up this huge chunk of the aisle, you have little or no choice as to which Windows you want, and right next door are 1/2 as many Linux distros, but w/ greater variety and flexibility... I always bump into people at the book or computer store under the Unix/Linux section and start talking about Linux. -Josh I was just at the local compusa last weekend and bought FreeBSD 3.3. They had all the major distros of Linux, plus quite a number of apps, I was quite surprised. Every time I go there they have more software available for Linux, they even had a big floor display of Caldera on sale! That may not be my favorite store, but they are about the only source for software anymore, other than online. Chip
[newbie] message log question
I found the following messages, many of them, in my /var/log/messages file - kernel: packet log: input deny eth0 proto=17 207.226.173.193:137 208.194.173.26:137 L=78 S=0x00 I=22928 F=0x T=117 There are many of these with differant numbers after the : . I recognize the second ip number, it's mine. What is the first ip number? and the stuff after them. Does the part input deny eth0 mean someone was trying to get into my firewall but were blocked? Chip
Re: [newbie] KDE problem after upgrading from 1.1.1 to 1.1.2
I downloaded the files with ...1.1.2-... so I believe those should be the correct files. When I tried rpm -e kde* I got an error - error: cannot open //var/lib/rpm/packages.rpm And when I tried rpm -uvh kde* I got the message: rpm: only one major mode may be specified I cannot run kpackage, it won't work at all. I tried gnorpm but that also would not work. I also tried rpm -Vp kde*, and rpm -i --replacepkgs kde*, and others and nothing will work. Worse of all, I can't run netconf or netcfg, so I can't fix my ipaddress on that machine, so it won't see the net, unless there is a way to change that from the command line. Chip John Aldrich wrote: On Thu, 06 Jan 2000, you wrote: I have Mandrake 6.0 on a AMD K6-2/350 (well, a couple actually), but on one machine I tried to upgrade KDE 1.1.1 to 1.1.2. I went to KDE's web site, then to their download site and ftp'd all the files in the directory, about a dozen or so. These were in rpm format. I'm *guessing* you got the wrong version of the KDE RPMs. Next time you might try using RPMfind.net to find the MANDRAKE 6.x KDE 1.1.2 updates, or go to www.linux-mandrake.com to find the list of mirrors and find the RPM files there. I'm guessing what happened is you have the RH 5.x KDE updates instead of the RH 6.x KDE updates. RH 6.x was the first RedHat version to incorporate the KDE desktop, etc and there is a HUGE difference as to where the KDE files are put when they are installed via RPM. Here's an FTP site for Mandrake updates: ftp.linux-mandrake.com/pub/updates/6.0/RPMS/ Try doing and rpm -e kde* and then an RPM -UVH kde* once you download all the MANDRAKE KDE updates. John
Re:[newbie]Happy Holidays....
On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Seth Gibson wrote: On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Gustaf Barkstrom wrote: Merry X-Windowsmas Linux newbies! Actually it would be just as proper to say Merry X-Mas. Alot of linux purists dont like the referral "X Windows". From what i understand, that's part of the reason its called X. you could also say Merry X11-mas or Merry XFree86-mas (that actually has a nice ring!). On the subj of books, i saw a really neat one today called Linux: I didnt know you could do that. . .its really simple exlpnations of some fairly complex tasks. . . -- Seth Gibson --snip-- Merry Christmas will do also, or just Happy Holidays to those who don't believe in God, in any way. I bought that book 'Linux! I didn't know you could do that... ' and I think the cd alone is worth the $18 or so. There is lots of good info for newbies, my only complaint about it is that it glosses over some sections such as using comanche and the section on firewall rules and kfirewall and gfcc, both of which have sparse help files. I'll have to get a book on these subjects, maybe for christmas. -- Chip Wiegand Those who dare to fail miserably can achieve greatly Robert F. Kenned
Re: [newbie] Kernel
Indeed, I agree. I have been using Linux for a bit less than a year. I started with Mandrake 5.3 and now am using Mandrake 6.0. I have figured out enough to set up ipmasq for my home network, and seem to have screwed up something that prevents samba from working. I'm no programmer either, though I am not new to computing. I am in IT and oversee a network of about 45 pc's and several NT servers at work. I am finally at a level of Linux knowledge that I am doing 99.9% of my work at home in Linux. The other bit of windoze time is spent studying for the MCSE exams, my company is paying for my MCSE. I figure if I have my MCSE AND a working knowledge of Linux I'll be that much ahead of the other guys with just a MCSE cert. Of course my company will want me to stay forever since they are paying for my education. Anyway, I think Linux has to become much more 'user friendly' in order to take even more of the desktop 'home' market. Isn't that goal anyway? To give ol' Bill a run for his money. I love it. More power to the penquin! I appreciate the help I receive from this mailing list, thank you all. I find it much friendlier than the newsgroups where you're more likely to see 'rtfm' than a few helpful suggestions. That's no way to treat the new users to the fold, now is it? If Linux does not become more user friendly, then the war is over, Bill has won. I certainly hope not! We must unite and support each other and the people developing Linux to be the next great OS. I may not be a programer, but if there is something I can do to help I sure will do it. Just my two cents worth. Thanks to all on this list! Chip Wiegand Those who dare to fail miserably can achieve greatly Robert F. Kennedy On Sun, 19 Dec 1999, Paul Benjamin wrote: I had a teacher that called your current state as the dawn of knowledge. Not all things are easy. Destroying old habits is the hardest. When you have hundreds or thousands of people who like to code make a system you should not be surprised that they are lousy technical writers. I think it is interesting that most of the for profit companies forming around Linux are going to sell services. Someone has to help with those configuration problems. I have been paying around with Linux for about a year now. I still spend more time in Windows than Linux but that could change if I could find an email client and new group reader that I like. There is a lot I don't like but the potential is so much greater than Windows that I want to keep learning more. Maybe it is just a challenge much greater than most PC games. Linux is a work in progress. They haven't taken the time yet to hide the plumbing in the walls yet. I want to see it done also, I am not a programmer, I am a draftsman. I want a system that I can play with and learn some programming. But from looking around the source code in the system I can tell that I will never get to their level. I don't have the time to live Linux. I just have learned enough to make do and forgive the rest. Maybe someday it will be finished, we can only hope. PBen On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 22:41:35 -0600, Audrey Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm SO sick of people that seem to LIKE hurting, telling those of us that are just not masochists to do this. Until you get some experience, sometimes only one little piece at a time, the mans mean nothing. Most of the time, you don't know what to look for. Gee, I'd like to print. What do I do? Check the FAQ and HOWTO that TRY to help, but just never seem to apply, or they refer you to another one for a part that has to work first, which then refers you to the previous one because that part has to work first... Not everyone learns or understands the same way. The lilo manual tells you everything you never wanted to know unless you need that part of it. When you are a brand new Linux user, reading it and understanding it can take weeks! All you usually need is a small part of something. Once you understand that part, you can gather more information relating to it and the next and the next. It sure ain't magic. Real multitasking and real multiuser in Linux are great. The rest hurts. I am not a newbie to the world of computers, programming or operating systems. I've been in world of hurt since I installed this OS. I'm learning a little at a time. But it will take me LOTS of time to figure even some of it out. I actually have a life aside from learning Linux and I like it MUCH better. Linux is just a tool for me to use to get something accomplished. I don't worship it. And it's good none of you know how many times I've wanted to stomp the cd into dust. The good part about having the source code is you can change/fix things if you need to. The bad part about having the source code is you probably have to. There are MANY people on this list, that take the time to help those of us that are lost, to go
[newbie] Corrupted library file - Maybe someone here will help?
Hi, I have posted this same message for two weeks now on the comp.protocols.smb group and comp.os.linux.networking and gotten no responses what-so-ever. So I'm hoping someone in here will be able to help me. I recently removed my older version of samba and installed 2.0.6 I then set up the smb.conf and ran testparm -s smb.conf | head - 10. I got an error message - error in loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libreadline.so.3: undefined symbol: BC I checked my hd for the library and found - libreadline.so.3 libreadline.so.3.0 libreadline.so.4.0 libreadline.a libreadline.so I checked my mandrake cd for the library to reinstall it and could not find this one library on the cd. I have checked several web sites and have not found this one library. Are these differant versions conflicting with each other? How do I resolve this? I can't use samba at all until this is fixed. It fails on bootup and of course shutdown. I can't get this machine connected to my network at all till this is fixed. -- Chip Wiegand Those who dare to fail miserably can achieve greatly Robert F. Kennedy
Re: [newbie] Good FTP prog
On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, you wrote: You might like IglooFTP. http://marshallnet.linuxberg.com/x11html/net_ftp.html at Tucows with ratings http://www.littleigloo.org/ takes you straight to it. Seve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 4:21 PM Subject: [newbie] Good FTP prog Hay, i was wondering what a good FTP program is for linux. Preferably graphical. Another one is WXFTP, it is very similar to the winblows program WSFTP. I don't recall where I downloaded it from, though it must have been one of the main download sites, maybe linuxberg or tucows. -- Chip Wiegand Those who dare to fail miserably can achieve greatly Robert F. Kennedy
Re: [newbie] unsupported! try your luck!
Check the HCL (Hardware Compatibility List). One should always check this before changing operating systems. It's in most new user Linux books and on some Linux web sites. -- Chip Wiegand Those who dare to fail miserably can achieve greatly Robert F. Kennedy On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, you wrote: Hi, I was introduced to Linux-Mandrake 6.0 last June and I managed to install it myself after spending almost 6 hours. This is because first I didn't know that Mandrake doesn't support the newest brand of hardware out there, especialy top brand video, audio and modems. My machine is a PII 400 Mhz,Asus 440BX slot1 MB,6.4 Gig hard disk, Creative 3dfx Voodo card, Yahama XG, and a Motorola chip modem. All of this combinations of hardware is unfortunately isn't supported by except for a few. After painstakingly combing the net, I finally found a beta version driver for the graphic card and I also found a commercial driver(hence $$)for the sound card. But my joy was short lived, as a few weeks after that the hardware went kaput one by one. Starting from my 32 Mb SDRAM, next the soundcard, and then finally my graphic is a bit crazy now(fuzzy lines at 600*480 and at 1024*9800). This of course will need about $300 to replace. However, I cannot attribute the breakdown of the machine to Mandrake wholly but somehow I feel that during the many hours of trying to adjust(espcially the graphic, XF86setup) the system I couldn't remember just how many times I rebooted the machine. And I couldn't set aside the probable tear and wear of my machine. So, that's why I am sharing this with you'all. I just want to warn potential users of Mandrake(newbie) to be wary about the potential dangers here. Lastly, does anybody know the exact hardware supported by Mandrake 6.1? If anybody know then feel free to mail me. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [newbie] MSIE when?
On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, you wrote: Hay, wasnt MSIE supossed to be out in november for linux? Thats wat i heard. I don't know about ya'll, but my reason for moving to Linux was to get away from micro$oft, not use that stuff in Linux. Isn't that defeating the purpose of using an alternative OS? -- Chip Wiegand Those who dare to fail miserably can achieve greatly Robert F. Kennedy
Re: [newbie] Definitely Off Topic
On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, you wrote: "Michael R. Batchelor" wrote: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Confirmation from a third party that the poor IS guy in the trenches is the decision maker. It amazes me how insert ^^NOT^^ many people are willing to shoot the messenger. I'm not going to say that there aren't some first class butt heads who work in IS, but I know some of those out on the plant floor and in the warehouse and in the boardroom. Sorry For the most part, I doubt that IS people go out of their way to be asses about things. They do have jobs to do, machines and software to maintain, and new projects to finish. If there are ways for them to reduce the amount of software and machine maintenance they have to do, they'd be crazy NOT to do them. The original poster should be glad he doesn't work on our network. ALL Internet access is restricted by the firewall, outgoing connections must pass through a blocking / caching proxy server, email is logged in both directions, Windows machines are locked down to allow only certain apps to be run, etc. -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's the direction my company is going. I am now looking at software that will enable us to lock down the win95 client machines from the server. As for internet access, ours isn't so strict, but when we discover someone abusing this privelage, and it is a privilege, then we take action to bring this to a stop, on an individual basis though. -- Chip Wiegand Computer Services Simrad, Inc Those who dare to fail miserably can achieve greatly Robert F. Kennedy
RE: [newbie] eth0
On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, you wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, you wrote: Its plugged in from my 'puter to a 4-port hub *shrug* I think the answer given yesterday was to turn OFF DHCP. I never have any problems 'cause I *always* use a static IP for my system 'course I'm using an ISDN router and not a cable modem or ADSL which requires a dynamic IP. :-) John I have ADSL and it doesn't require a dynamic IP, my isp gave me a static IP for my nic and a seperate one for my virtual web hosting account. Just FYI. :-) Chip
Re: [newbie] Re:
Thankyou, his last remark didn't deserve a response, why make the flame war worse than it already has gotten? Chip On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, you wrote: Dood, I thought i told you to beat it? So scram. Get the hell on out of here. You're clearly not interested in discussing Linux. Axalon? You with me here? M H - Original Message - From: Mike J. Kesow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 21, 1999 11:43 AM Hey Chip Wiegand, you claim you hate people who whine, well, what do you think you are doing?
Re: [newbie] Good Newsgroup Reader?
I beg to differ on the point regarding following a hyperlink in a newsreader. I us KRN 0.6.0, standard with Mandrake 6.0, and I can follow a hyperlink in a message, it opens in KFM. Sure, KRN aint Agent, but it works well enough to keep me from booting into winblows. Chip On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, you wrote: the problem with most of the newsreaders is that one they don't thread well and two if someone puts a hypelink in their post you can't follow it Jeanette Mike Fieschko wrote: "Jeanette" == Jeanette Russo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jeanette Joe Marcom wrote: Hello, again. I've been using Free Agent as my NG reader in window$ for as long as I have been online. Now that I'm moving up to Linux, what do you recommend? Thanks. Joe Jeanette This newreader problem is almost as bad as the browser Jeanette problem. The best newsreader I have been able to use in Jeanette Linux is Netscape also. I have tried PINE, TRN, SLRN, Jeanette kexpress, Free Agent on Wine (runs but won't get news), Jeanette knews, krn, and Pan, and Star Office newsreader and Jeanette Netscape is still the best. If Linux can only get a [snip] Have you tried gnus? It is a mail and news reader which runs in emacs or xemacs. http://www.gnus.org Very configurable, so it might be a bit complicated to set up. -- Mike Fieschko, West Orange, NJ, USA X-Mailer: XEmacs 21.1, VM 6.75 and random-sig.el Kernel 2.2.13-28mdk http://www.viconet.com/fieschko/home.htm Nov 12 St Martin I
Re: [newbie] alternative browser?
Amaya, Oh MYA! What a mess it makes of web pages in Linux! I tried just yahoo and my companys web site. Yahoo was somewhat navigable, at least I could change to various pages. My companys website was all screwed up, and it is supposedly backwards compatible to the 2.x web browsers. Chip On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, you wrote: Try Amaya for a graphical browser. www.w3.org http://www.w3.org Yeah, try Amaya for a good time, a couple of laughs...but probably not for a stable browser. I don't know how it fares on Linux but on Windoze, it can't display web pages (jumbles of words overlapping one another) and it crashed my machine within 2 minutes. Total piece of junk. Too bad, too, because if there's one thing this world needs it's a lightweight, customizable, developer-friendly GPL browser. Anyone have other suggestions? Gregg
Re: [newbie] Build a small home LAN
I am using the Linksys network kit plus several other nics on my home network of 5 pc's. I have 3 lynksys nics and 2 3com, and they all work great. One pc has one of each in it and I had no problem with Linux recognizing both on boot-up. They both use the native drivers in Linux also. Chip On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, you wrote: Hi all, I use Linux Mandrake 6.0 and I would like to build a small home network, connecting two PC and maybe later a laptop. I plan to start first with thin ethernet ( BNC-10Base2 ) and than switch to a 10Base-T ( Unshielded Twisted-pair-Rj45 ) with a small 5 ports hub. The two manufacturer I am looking at right now are: Linksys ( http://www.linksys.com ) Micronet (http://www.micronet.com.tw ) I have found a lot about Linksys, they also have a linux www support page http://www.linksys.com/support/solution/nos/linux.htm , it looks that the ethernet card is supported. They also offer a network starter kit with everything you need to connect 2 PC. Micronet reports also to be compatible with Linux, but I did not find any information on the Ethernet HOWTO. Anyone with some experience with the above products to help me to make a good choice ? Thank you in advance for any reply. Best regards Luca
Re: [newbie] virtual consoles can't start x-server
Hi, I am interested in this too, but when I tried this with just alt+Fanynumber it didn't work. On my installation of Mandrake 6.0 I have to use ctrl+alt+Fwhatevernumber to make it work. Chip On Sat, 06 Nov 1999, you wrote: On Fri, 05 Nov 1999, you wrote: On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Axalon Bloodstone wrote: On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Karen M. Heiby wrote: the command is "startx" (no quotes) if your runnning in runlevel 5 (X auto starts) or have one X session already open you'll need to tell it to start a second (or third) you do this by adding "-- :#" to the startx commandline. It looks like so startx -- :1 # start a second X remeber we start counding with 0 startx -- :2 # And maybe a third What about switching between X sessions? Alt+F7 normally takes you back to X... the original one. How do you get back to the second one after leaving it? Alt+F8 should do it... John
Re: [Re: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor)]
I installed two nics in my mandrake 6.0 sometime back. I just stuck the second one in and fired up the machine, and it was recognized right off the bat. I haven't had to do anything other than 'turn it on' in netconf. One is a linksys and one is 3com, both are pci. There was no 'forceing' involved, it just worked. Maybe I got lucky?:-) Chip On Sat, 06 Nov 1999, you wrote: I just got my L-M 6.0 configured with 2 NIC's the other day...after much reading and fiddling...etc...(read re-installs)I found the trick for me anyways. Depending on the NIC's...install the ISA jumpered FIRST, then a ISA/PCI PnP, although I recall reading somewhere that for can force Linux to try and detect 2 NIC's...but I don't remember the command or flags (perhaps someone can expand on that). HTH Jaguar James Mellema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The major reason I run Win2K now is I have been unable to use linux as a gateway to my cablemodem setup. (the other reason is I need to be familiar with it so I can work with my IT clients). After uncountable tries, and many thousands of pages of reading, I have been unable to get mandrake to recognize more that one ethernet card on my server. So, until I find the magic key I'm stuck with Windows at least for that particular function. snip Jim -- James Mellema, CRNA MA __ Linux User #71650 Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
Re: [newbie] Office Suites
I use SO for my personal stuff and I use the html editor. I believe it is good enough as is for general home use, and probably for most general business use. My wife does occasionally have a problem with documents going between SO and M$ Office 97. SO always opens them fine, but sometimes the saved version from SO will not open in M$Office. So far that hasn't caused any big problems, since we have pc's with both OS's running, though Linux is our primary OS. Winblows is primarily kept for network gaming for the kids. chip On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, you wrote: "PSM 0x2710]" wrote: So what is the general opinion of Star Office? Does anyone recommend it seriously or is there something that would do the job just as well? Thanks all! I admire the effort put into StarOffice but I feel it is still quite kludgy. At the same time, we must not forget that pgms like M$Office, WP, etc have gone thru' millenniums of evolution compared to StarOffice. It's biggest selling point (I know it's free) is perhaps its 'ability' to translate M$Office documents. That's what I use it for mostly, although it has a habit of screwing up even your simplest formatting of Excel and Powerpoint. Speaking of which, what is the difference (read, fixes and improvement) of Sun's 5.1a over 5.1? -- Ronald Yeo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Re: your mail
Thanks. I have a static ip from my isp already. allowing port 80 access will be no problem, as I am going to set up another pc just for the purpose of hosting my web site, on the world side of the firewall, this way there will be little chance of someone getting into my home lan. At least I think this will work. What do you think? Do I still need my isp for basic internet access, or is there a way for me to get that access without the isp? chip On Mon, 01 Nov 1999, you wrote: On Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 09:43:22PM -0800, Chip Wiegand wrote: I am interested in this also. I have apache installed and it does run. I can connect to my pages from any pc in my home network. The next part is this - How do we (I) get to our pages from the outside world? Don't we need a connection to the internet, other than through an isp? When a friend of mine tried to ping my ip address it wouldn't work, my isp has a firewall and I have a firewall. Well, both of you are going to need to allow incoming connections on port 80 on your firewalls. Next, you'll want to contact your ISP about getting a static IP and a domain name else you'll be stuck using IP numbers to contact your system. On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 03:35:22PM -0800, Dreja Julag wrote: Hello all! I am wondering if I can create a web server of my own with my linux box for my friends and neighbors. I think it sounds like a cool experiment, but I don't know where to start. Thanks for the help. I know, I could probably look to a howto, but they are not the friendliest little creatures in the world. Install the apache package. Start the server with: /etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd start Put the documents you wish to publish into /home/httpd/html. -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Re: your mail
On Tue, 02 Nov 1999, you wrote: On Mon, 01 Nov 1999, you wrote: Thanks. I have a static ip from my isp already. allowing port 80 access will be no problem, as I am going to set up another pc just for the purpose of hosting my web site, on the world side of the firewall, this way there will be little chance of someone getting into my home lan. At least I think this will work. What do you think? Do I still need my isp for basic internet access, or is there a way for me to get that access without the isp? Have you got several thousand dollars a month for a T1 from ATT, MCI or Sprint? ;-) Seriously, it's a LOT of work...unless you're going to have someone host your site for you (there are free website hosting places --yahoo, TheGlobe.com, etc) which will host your site for the price of you allowing them to place a banner ad or two on your site (typically a "pop-up" window.) John I was just curious mostly about what it would require to go isp-less. So it's basically out of the question for the average user looking to host his own site. I may have found a way to do it, but with a twist. A site called myinternet.com has a forwarding service that allows one to host a web site at home. I haven't checked the detail yet, though. chip
Re: [newbie] Removal from lists
What's wrong with these people always bitching and moaning 'how do I get off this list?'? All they have to do is read the instructions on the email they got when they subscribed! Maybe they're the types that throw away the instructions before putting together the new bbq, or whatever, then can't get it right and have lots of left over parts. I'm just a bit tired of seeing s many whiners. Chip PS I don't mind getting about a hundred emails a day from this group, there are lots of useful ones in the bunch, and some good humor also. Thankyou to all who have helped me and I hope I can or have been a help to others. On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, you wrote: HOLY digital postcards, Batman!On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, you wrote: On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, PadLocke wrote: How on earth could anyone not enjoy reading 200 some-odd emails a day ?? ;) Trade ya... " Folder: INBOX Message 4 of 1,079 62% NEW" On Thu, 18 Nov 1999, you wrote: OK, but you should know that you'll never be able to get back on. If you really want off you need to stand on one leg, during a full moon in any month that ends in "J" , and chant "Cry baby, Cry" 13 Times. Signed, God! David P. Greenberg Bitco Electronics "In Service to the Recording Industry" **Rock on with glowing glass** -Original Message- From: Mike J. Kesow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, November 18, 1999 5:40 PM Subject: [newbie] Removal from lists PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD TAKE ME OFF YOUR LIST!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PadLocke the Ogre There are three types of people in this world... those who can count, and those who can't! -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon -- PadLocke the Ogre There are three types of people in this world... those who can count, and those who can't!
