Re: [newbie] ASCII characters
Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Not wanting to hijack the web-page thread, but Kaj's comment reminded me of a minor annoyance. I don't need special characters all that often, but when I do I have to use kcharselect (not knocking it - it's a useful tool). I used to be able to memorise a few select ASCII codes and enter them by alt+numberpad code. That's much quicker if you are preparing a longish document. I find it hard to believe that there isn't a similar facility in Linux, but I haven't found it yet. Does it exist? Anne Anne, The Left-Alt+numberpad works in the console, but X grabs the left-Alt key, so it doesn't work in X. Maybe you could remap the keys in X so that the left Alt key goes back to the same function as in the cli, and map the right Alt key to work in place of the left one? Something to play with when you have some spare time... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] ASCII characters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 10 Jan 2005 17:41, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Not wanting to hijack the web-page thread, but Kaj's comment reminded me of a minor annoyance. I don't need special characters all that often, but when I do I have to use kcharselect (not knocking it - it's a useful tool). I used to be able to memorise a few select ASCII codes and enter them by alt+numberpad code. That's much quicker if you are preparing a longish document. I find it hard to believe that there isn't a similar facility in Linux, but I haven't found it yet. Does it exist? Anne Anne, The Left-Alt+numberpad works in the console, but X grabs the left-Alt key, so it doesn't work in X. Maybe you could remap the keys in X so that the left Alt key goes back to the same function as in the cli, and map the right Alt key to work in place of the left one? Something to play with when you have some spare time... Hmm - I haven't time to mess with this right now, but it's certainly worth a thought. Thanks. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB4r9MkFAvMr/nNX8RAmdJAJ9bycgHfPjb51Yh7eEyMeT6aHcMlgCfX9jf D04OKnflxY1yN2OS8OVIOzs= =n5mo -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] ASCII characters
On Thursday 06 January 2005 05:25, Miark wrote: On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:16:40 -0500, Carroll wrote: æ, ø and å or even the Euro-symbol ___. While I can't speak for David, using KMail 1.7 under KDE 3.3.0-5 I could read all of the Scandinavian characters as well as the Euro symbol in your original post (and Anne's). Of course, when Miark joined the thread, the Euro became a n-tuple underline. According to the KMail configuration tool, the us-ascii, iso-8859-1 and utf-8 character sets are installed here. Would I not already have utf-8 installed by default in 10.1? How do I check? Miark Well Miark, it seems that Carroll, Larry and David have UTF-8 installed by default. That surprises me somewhat, because citizens of English-speaking countries rarely need anything besides us/uk-ascii Maybe it's because Mandrake originated here in Europe where most nations have more than 24 characters and lots of funny accents etc.. - So Mandrake installs UTF and some iso-charsets as default ? Anyway, an easy way to check what charsets are installed is : Open a browser, i.e. Firefox. Select View --Character Encoding. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] ASCII characters
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:45:34 +0100, Kaj wrote: ...citizens of English-speaking countries rarely need anything besides us/uk-ascii Anyway, an easy way to check what charsets are installed is : Open a browser, i.e. Firefox. Select View --Character Encoding. Ah ha! ISO-8859-1 is selected, but I do have UTF-8 in the list so I guess it is on my machine. I wonder why Sylpheed could see the some of your funky characters, but not the Euro-crap char. Oh well. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] ASCII characters
On Thursday 06 January 2005 16:07, Miark wrote: On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:45:34 +0100, Kaj wrote: ...citizens of English-speaking countries rarely need anything besides us/uk-ascii Anyway, an easy way to check what charsets are installed is : Open a browser, i.e. Firefox. Select View --Character Encoding. Ah ha! ISO-8859-1 is selected, but I do have UTF-8 in the list so I guess it is on my machine. I wonder why Sylpheed could see the some of your funky characters, but not the Euro-crap char. Oh well. Miark The one and only difference between ISO-8859-1 and ISO-8859-15 is exactly that Euro-symbol () so who cares ? Ideally UTF 8/16/32 should support every known language and every thinkable character, but - as I understand it - there have been some issues with Microsoft - as usual. Anyway, the bulk of Windows-boxes still don't have UTF or ISO-8859 but only some Windows-charsets like windows-1252. That's why I prefer to write html-documents using ascii with escape-sequences. But I'll admit that languages who don't use western (latin) characters like Arabic or Chinese arent' covered. But then again, why would I want to write something in Arabic ? Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] ASCII characters
On Tuesday 04 January 2005 12:37 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Tuesday 04 January 2005 17:58, Miark wrote: On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:34:26 +0100, Kaj wrote: In KMail I've set the charset to iso-8859-15. But then again, I don't use KMail for html. My guess is, that our American friends here (using US-ASCII or some Windows charset) won't be able to read Scandinavian characters like , and or even the Euro-symbol ___. I've got no problems seeing them in Kmail. David Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] ASCII characters
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 22:25, David Reynolds wrote: On Tuesday 04 January 2005 12:37 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Tuesday 04 January 2005 17:58, Miark wrote: On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:34:26 +0100, Kaj wrote: In KMail I've set the charset to iso-8859-15. But then again, I don't use KMail for html. My guess is, that our American friends here (using US-ASCII or some Windows charset) won't be able to read Scandinavian characters like , and or even the Euro-symbol ___. I've got no problems seeing them in Kmail. David Well David, that's fine except you don't see the Euro-symbol (). I suppose you live in the US, so what charset do you use in KMail ? Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] ASCII characters
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 04:55 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Wednesday 05 January 2005 22:25, David Reynolds wrote: On Tuesday 04 January 2005 12:37 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Tuesday 04 January 2005 17:58, Miark wrote: On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:34:26 +0100, Kaj wrote: In KMail I've set the charset to iso-8859-15. But then again, I don't use KMail for html. My guess is, that our American friends here (using US-ASCII or some Windows charset) won't be able to read Scandinavian characters like , and or even the Euro-symbol ___. I've got no problems seeing them in Kmail. David Well David, that's fine except you don't see the Euro-symbol (). I suppose you live in the US, so what charset do you use in KMail ? Kaj: While I can't speak for David, using KMail 1.7 under KDE 3.3.0-5 I could read all of the Scandinavian characters as well as the Euro symbol in your original post (and Anne's). Of course, when Miark joined the thread, the Euro became a n-tuple underline. According to the KMail configuration tool, the us-ascii, iso-8859-1 and utf-8 character sets are installed here. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] ASCII characters
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 01:55 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Wednesday 05 January 2005 22:25, David Reynolds wrote: On Tuesday 04 January 2005 12:37 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Tuesday 04 January 2005 17:58, Miark wrote: On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:34:26 +0100, Kaj wrote: In KMail I've set the charset to iso-8859-15. But then again, I don't use KMail for html. My guess is, that our American friends here (using US-ASCII or some Windows charset) won't be able to read Scandinavian characters like , and or even the Euro-symbol ___. I've got no problems seeing them in Kmail. David Well David, that's fine except you don't see the Euro-symbol (). I suppose you live in the US, so what charset do you use in KMail ? Kaj Haulrich. Hi Kaj, I can see them all and I am in the US with the following charsets listed in Kmail composer: us-ascii, iso-8859-1, iso-8859-1 (locale), and utr-8. Larry -- Registered Linux User-350560 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] ASCII characters
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:16:40 -0500, Carroll wrote: æ, ø and å or even the Euro-symbol ___. While I can't speak for David, using KMail 1.7 under KDE 3.3.0-5 I could read all of the Scandinavian characters as well as the Euro symbol in your original post (and Anne's). Of course, when Miark joined the thread, the Euro became a n-tuple underline. According to the KMail configuration tool, the us-ascii, iso-8859-1 and utf-8 character sets are installed here. Would I not already have utf-8 installed by default in 10.1? How do I check? Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] ASCII characters
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 03:55 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Wednesday 05 January 2005 22:25, David Reynolds wrote: On Tuesday 04 January 2005 12:37 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Tuesday 04 January 2005 17:58, Miark wrote: On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:34:26 +0100, Kaj wrote: In KMail I've set the charset to iso-8859-15. But then again, I don't use KMail for html. My guess is, that our American friends here (using US-ASCII or some Windows charset) won't be able to read Scandinavian characters like , and or even the Euro-symbol ___. I've got no problems seeing them in Kmail. David Well David, that's fine except you don't see the Euro-symbol (). I suppose you live in the US, so what charset do you use in KMail ? Kaj Haulrich. You're right, I guess I didn't even notice it was missing. I'm using pref-charsets=us-ascii,iso-8859-1,locale,utf-8 in kmailrc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] ASCII characters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 03 Jan 2005 23:34, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Monday 03 January 2005 22:06, Anne Wilson wrote: snip For that matter, how did you get the symbol into this message, as well as the code? If I type '#163;' into either text editor or kword I just get the literal string. /snip In KMail I've set the charset to iso-8859-15. My main locale is set to use iso-8859-15 but I see that kmail is using US-ASCII But then again, I don't use KMail for html. Kmail is set to plain text. My guess is, that our American friends here (using US-ASCII or some Windows charset) won't be able to read Scandinavian characters like , and or even the Euro-symbol . Those signs will most likely produce garbage on their screens. And to why you can see the escape-strings : if I'd embedded this post in htmlbodythis message/body/html you wouldn't. I can see them fine in this message, Kaj. I'll explore more when I get home tomorrow evening. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB2lySkFAvMr/nNX8RAoiCAJ929VGoAu7+l8a8wDNiITwwbvfNKwCcD1mP btPnpEGReSbRg6Rf/Rbr/uM= =rxhm -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] ASCII characters
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:34:26 +0100, Kaj wrote: In KMail I've set the charset to iso-8859-15. But then again, I don't use KMail for html. My guess is, that our American friends here (using US-ASCII or some Windows charset) won't be able to read Scandinavian characters like æ, ø and å or even the Euro-symbol ___. I can see the first three, but the Euro-symbol looks like three underscores. I'm using Sylpheed Claws. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] ASCII characters
On Tuesday 04 January 2005 17:58, Miark wrote: On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 00:34:26 +0100, Kaj wrote: In KMail I've set the charset to iso-8859-15. But then again, I don't use KMail for html. My guess is, that our American friends here (using US-ASCII or some Windows charset) won't be able to read Scandinavian characters like , and or even the Euro-symbol ___. I can see the first three, but the Euro-symbol looks like three underscores. I'm using Sylpheed Claws. Miark Hello again, Miark. Never mind the Euro-symbol. The fact that you can see those special (Scandinavian) characters indicate you have iso-8859-1 installed. If you absolutely want to see (Euro), you must have iso-8859-15 or UTF8 / UTF16. Everything Euro is crap, anyway. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] ASCII characters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Not wanting to hijack the web-page thread, but Kaj's comment reminded me of a minor annoyance. I don't need special characters all that often, but when I do I have to use kcharselect (not knocking it - it's a useful tool). I used to be able to memorise a few select ASCII codes and enter them by alt+numberpad code. That's much quicker if you are preparing a longish document. I find it hard to believe that there isn't a similar facility in Linux, but I haven't found it yet. Does it exist? Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB2ZlOkFAvMr/nNX8RAhblAJ9itILF/bnXvg1n9qUiyog5WpoQdwCfUO9/ /Kbn8HP4VMyCHKbn9ZLr4K4= =28eR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] ASCII characters
Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Not wanting to hijack the web-page thread, but Kaj's comment reminded me of a minor annoyance. I don't need special characters all that often, but when I do I have to use kcharselect (not knocking it - it's a useful tool). I used to be able to memorise a few select ASCII codes and enter them by alt+numberpad code. That's much quicker if you are preparing a longish document. I find it hard to believe that there isn't a similar facility in Linux, but I haven't found it yet. Does it exist? Anne - -- gucharmap could be what you are looking for - although I don't know enough about it to be sure. Cheers, Graham Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] ASCII characters
On Monday 03 January 2005 20:13, Anne Wilson wrote: Not wanting to hijack the web-page thread, but Kaj's comment reminded me of a minor annoyance. I don't need special characters all that often, but when I do I have to use kcharselect (not knocking it - it's a useful tool). I used to be able to memorise a few select ASCII codes and enter them by alt+numberpad code. That's much quicker if you are preparing a longish document. I find it hard to believe that there isn't a similar facility in Linux, but I haven't found it yet. Does it exist? Anne Anne, as a native English-speaker, you don't have to remember that many ASCII escape-sequences. But a few, nevertheless, come in handy like ½ (#189;), @ (#64;), £ (#163;) and a few more. As a foreigner it is much harder, what with æ,ø and å, all the French accents and so on. So, when I write some html, I just type what I want in my own charset and when done, I use the editors search replace. Voilá. - Can be viewed correctly in any browser on the planet. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] ASCII characters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 03 Jan 2005 20:15, Kaj Haulrich wrote: Anne, as a native English-speaker, you don't have to remember that many ASCII escape-sequences. But a few, nevertheless, come in handy like ½ (#189;), @ (#64;), £ (#163;) and a few more. As a foreigner it is much harder, what with æ,ø and å, all the French accents and so on. - From time to time, though, it is necessary to insert words from other languages, so acute, grave, circumflex, umlaut and that Spanish thingy that I can never remember the name for - the various chars that use them come in very handy. I used to refresh my memory from a printed table, according to the language I would be quoting. I wonder if your '#163' is the same as alt163? For that matter, how did you get the symbol into this message, as well as the code? If I type '#163;' into either text editor or kword I just get the literal string. So, when I write some html, I just type what I want in my own charset and when done, I use the editors search replace. Voilá. - Can be viewed correctly in any browser on the planet. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB2bPrkFAvMr/nNX8RAlTUAJ9tzv6j+aVmcAVcTlnjBxNAkPiH1gCfUa/h iK4s7JzWWN31dLA3fqTfm6A= =eqUQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] ASCII characters
Op Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:06:50 + schreef Anne Wilson: - From time to time, though, it is necessary to insert words from other languages, so acute, grave, circumflex, umlaut and that Spanish thingy that I can never remember the name for - the various chars that use them come in very handy. I used to refresh my memory from a printed table, according to the language I would be quoting. I wonder if your '#163' is the same as alt163? For that matter, how did you get the symbol into this message, as well as the code? If I type '#163;' into either text editor or kword I just get the literal string. Which keyboard setting do you use now? I always use US international since I often have to write in german or french also. With that it is very simple to use the accented letters like á, ö and ñ. Just type the accent and the letter after that. I have not figured out yet where the UK pound sign is though, which would be convenient for you, I assume. Paul -- A girl with a future avoids the man with a past. - Evan Esar http://www.nlpagan.net/linux.php Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] ASCII characters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 03 Jan 2005 21:35, Paul wrote: Op Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:06:50 + schreef Anne Wilson: - From time to time, though, it is necessary to insert words from other languages, so acute, grave, circumflex, umlaut and that Spanish thingy that I can never remember the name for - the various chars that use them come in very handy. I used to refresh my memory from a printed table, according to the language I would be quoting. I wonder if your '#163' is the same as alt163? For that matter, how did you get the symbol into this message, as well as the code? If I type '#163;' into either text editor or kword I just get the literal string. Which keyboard setting do you use now? UK British I always use US international since I often have to write in german or french also. With that it is very simple to use the accented letters like á, ö and ñ. Just type the accent and the letter after that. I have not figured out yet where the UK pound sign is though, which would be convenient for you, I assume. My choice of keyboard layout goes way back to my first PC in 1987. US keyboard layouts did not have a UK£ sign - to teletext you had to use PDS IIRC. The only way you'd get it on a US keyboard layout would be by using ASCII codes. I presume it would be there, somewhere. I haven't spent any time googling, but someone must have a complete list of ASCII codes. It's just a matter of learning how we can incorporate them into documents. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB2cKhkFAvMr/nNX8RAk86AKCAwmxwQFD9zDPAicnrJpEszN+OxgCeO93i dhUTcRbuTydxfFriVo7L2Cc= =ZNOe -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] ASCII characters
On Monday 03 January 2005 22:06, Anne Wilson wrote: snip For that matter, how did you get the symbol into this message, as well as the code? If I type '#163;' into either text editor or kword I just get the literal string. /snip In KMail I've set the charset to iso-8859-15. But then again, I don't use KMail for html. My guess is, that our American friends here (using US-ASCII or some Windows charset) won't be able to read Scandinavian characters like , and or even the Euro-symbol . Those signs will most likely produce garbage on their screens. And to why you can see the escape-strings : if I'd embedded this post in htmlbodythis message/body/html you wouldn't. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
