Re: [newbie] Alternatives help like Win4Lin?
Hi Miark folks, On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:54, you manipulated electrons to produce: I've never tried voice recognition, so I don't know. I think there might have been something about it on this list too, but that was probably regarding Wine rather than Win4Lin. Good question. At any rate, it would be a problem only with _recording_ sound. Playing back sound works flawlessly. *** Have since been told officially: can not record via W4L. No plans to implement it either... ! :-( The only negative thing is having to trash my drives and reload everything again! I dual boot to Mandrake 8.0 and Win200. I didn't trash my Windows partitions when Installed Win4Lin. In fact, I've set it up to use my data files seamlessly between Windows and Win4Lin. Have been tryting to get to undersatand the W4L install, but small things like system trashing keep interrupting.. :-) My take was you had to virtually start with a clean system. So, you actually installed w4l into M8? Then added Win98 via it as a new install? AND kept all your data? BUT of course would lose all the installed programs? I've got gigabytes of programs. I thought all you had to do was install win4 on top of an existing Linux system that still had a Windoze partition (or two). That would be nice, but they're not there yet. Any Newby-type hints from the install process? One big tip, though: Win4Lin acts as an entirely different computer on your home network, so make certain to give it a different IP address than the Linux box you put it on. Were you on M8? Yes. What Doze ver? Dual boot to Win2000; Win4Lin ran Win98SE. ** I think I need a nice nap... It has been a confusing day. :-) -- Cheers, John http://counter.li.org GO HERE IF YOU SUPPORT LINUX! Fablor is now Webhosting?? What on earth for?? Info here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (it's only an Autoresponder) :-)
Re: [newbie] Alternatives help like Win4Lin?
*** Have since been told officially: can not record via W4L. No plans to implement it either... ! :-( Hmm. Too bad. Have been tryting to get to undersatand the W4L install, but small things like system trashing keep interrupting.. :-) My take was you had to virtually start with a clean system. So, you actually installed w4l into M8? Then added Win98 via it as a new install? AND kept all your data? BUT of course would lose all the installed programs? I started with a dual-boot Win98 and Linux. When I got Win4Lin, I installed it on MDK 8.0. I _did_ have to install my basic tools in Win4Lin, namely FrontPage and Photoshop. But I setup Win4Lin to use the existing FAT32 partions on which I store all my data. So while I have two copies of Photoshop on my box (one in Windows, one in Win4Lin) they both use the same FAT32 partition to which I keep all my work. So no, I didn't start with a clean system, and I didn't lose any installed programs. I just had to add another copy of my basic apps in Win4Lin. Winblows Win4Lin --- C: WinsuxC: = Win4Lin's install on Win98 in my Linux /home directory D: Apps D: = My real D: partition from Winsux, Although I install apps to a dirctory ear-marked for Win4Lin apps. E: Docs E: = My real E: partition from Winsux. I didn't need to put Win4Lin apps on my real D:. I just did that because my /home partition (where Win4Lin normally puts the Win4Lin D: drive) is almost full :-( Miark
Re: [newbie] Alternatives help like Win4Lin?
John wrote: VM is dearest by miles. Not sure of this one - seems to be similar in CPU demand to Windoze . I think they have a version called VMWare Personal or something like that. I saw it on their Web site. It is a lite version of the full VMWare that gives you, I think, just one virtual computer, whereas the expensive version lets you have a bunch of them. There are other differences, but for a single user it seemed to do the basics--let you run a real version of Windows without leaving Linux. I think the price was US $90 to $99. You do, of course, have to supply a copy of Windows if you want it to run under VMWare. --Judy Miner
Re: [newbie] Alternatives help like Win4Lin?
On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:24, Judith Miner wrote: John wrote: VM is dearest by miles. Not sure of this one - seems to be similar in CPU demand to Windoze . I think they have a version called VMWare Personal or something like that. I saw it on their Web site. It is a lite version of the full VMWare that gives you, I think, just one virtual computer, whereas the expensive version lets you have a bunch of them. There are other differences, but for a single user it seemed to do the basics--let you run a real version of Windows without leaving Linux. I think the price was US $90 to $99. You do, of course, have to supply a copy of Windows if you want it to run under VMWare. --Judy Miner VMware Express is not worth getting. It is basically VMware Workstation cut down to a level comparable to Win4Lin, both price and feature wise. Like Win4Lin, it can only run Win95/98 and only one at a time (VMware Workstation can handle a number of different OSs and can even have several open at once). Unlike VMware Workstation, VMware Express doesn't allow you to use a pre-existing Windows partition. Instead, you must install Windos into a virtual partition in a file, slowing things down. In contrast, Win4Lin lets you install Windos _directly_ onto your GNU/Linux partition (this is the only way you can install), so you can benefit from the superior speed of filesystems (in comparison to FAT) like Ext2 and ReiserFS. A quick check of the VMware site shows that VMware Express costs $US49.95, which is cheaper than Win4Lin's $US79.99. In comparison, VMware Workstation costs $US299. If I had the choice between VMware Express and Win4Lin, I would pick Win4Lin, despite its higher price. It has been said that it is as fast or even faster than running Windos natively. There is also Connectix Virtual PC (http://www.connectix.com/products/vpc4w.html), but I know very little about this product. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] Alternatives help like Win4Lin?
VM is dearest by miles. Not sure of this one - seems to be similar in CPU demand to Windoze . From what I heard, windowze is more stable in VMWare than in Windowze. I have used it for a while and it is pretty good. Win4Lin is around $80. Seems to be a simple gui install.Claims to do everything one could need - IF stuck with Windows apps. Don't know it. I NEED GOOD printer output. Many printers are supported, it just depends on your idea of good. I am sure that is a lot better than my idea of good. I NEED a Scanner The average SCSI scanner (I use a cheap Mustek 6000SP) should already do it. Paul
Re: [newbie] Alternatives help like Win4Lin?
On Tuesday 24 July 2001 01:53, you wrote: I NEED a Scanner May I recommend the Epson 1200U, a USB scanner which I recently got for $105. It was quite easy to get it working in Linux and the scans are great. *** Powered by SuSE Linux 7.2 Professional KDE 2.1.2 KMail 1.2 Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [newbie] Alternatives help like Win4Lin?
Hi Miark, Thanks for the summary. I seem to recall someone saying that it has problems with sound - I think it was from a Voice Recognition list - ? Your time is money theme is apt! My problem is really only in not wasting money. Win4 seems the clear winner all round. The only negative thing is having to trash my drives and reload everything again! I've got gigabytes of programs. I thought all you had to do was install win4 on top of an existing Linux system that still had a Windoze partition (or two). Any Newby-type hints from the install process? Were you on M8? What Doze ver? Did you d/l the win4 or buy a box? On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 03:03, you manipulated electrons to produce: I use Win4Lin. * It's a good price. * It's run all software so far. * You can configure drives however you want. I, for instance have it use FAT32 partition from my real Winsux installation, plus Reiser partitions. * It does real MS$ networking, including sharing of devices. * I haven't installed the printer yet, but I know you can install normal Windows print drivers, and anything else on the parallel port such as scanners. * It's stable. It rarely crashes, and when it does, I'm up again in about 10 seconds. My view is time is money and there's no way to escape the fact that _all_ solutions cost something significant. I just happen to be more willing to pay money than I was time, which all the free solutions cost. Miark -- Cheers, John http://counter.li.org GO HERE IF YOU SUPPORT LINUX! Fablor is now Webhosting?? What on earth for?? Info here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (it's only an Autoresponder) :-)
Re: [newbie] Alternatives help like Win4Lin?
Hi Sridhar, Thanks for all that! On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:22, you manipulated electrons to produce: Apps like IBM WebSphere HomePage Builder and WordPerfect are direct ports (i.e. the source code was modified to work well in Wine) to GNU/Linux. They are not simply Windos binary apps running through Wine. This is why they run so (well, sorta...) well compared to Windos apps in Wine. Aha! recently posted a rather lengthy diatribe about why M$ apps will not work in Wine. If you need a copy I can send it to you. ** Thanks - I'll just take the advice! :-) I wouldn't use Plex86 just yet. It _does_ show promise, but at present it is still buggy and slow. MandrakeSoft sponsor its development, so hopefully it should be usable soon. DirectX support is currently not very good, but I've managed to get a few DirectX games going. CD-burning is not supported in the current release. But, I take it by simply going back to your Mandrake you can use a CDW under it? Which Prog do you use? . Win4Lin is less taxing on systems than VMware, and is much faster. Like VMware, its current support for certain functions like DirectX and games are not very good. Well, the last things I need are games - I'm outtta time alla time as it is! You can get IBM ViaVoice for GNU/Linux: http://www-4.ibm.com/software/speech/linux/dictation.html I believe that Mandrake includes it in their PowerPack. Yes I have it in Powerpak 8 but no sound! If you are sure that you have done everything you can to get your sound working, perhaps you should look into buying a new sound card. Cheap sound boards can cost well under $A50, and a Sound Blaster Live! usually costs about $A100. * Well, that's the odd part. The system knows what my card is. And the next problem would be as to what card MIGHT work - listers seem to complain a lot about cards - even listed ones. Yamaha have a good rep with Dictation Users, but... I NEED either FrontPage 2000 or the Windoze version of Websphere at least. - the Linux/wine version is too cut down and painfully slow. The GNU ones are too stripped down no extras. As I mentioned above, M$ apps do not (and probably never will) work in WINE. You would need something like VMware or Win4Lin to use it. However, I must ask why you're using FrontPage. The HTML it generates is not standards-compliant, and is designed work best in IE (this is deliberate). If you design a website with FrontPage don't expect it to be viewable in other browsers (especially the *nix ones). Well in the harsh world, I never worried - 90% of all the prospects use I.E.:-) You have mentioned elsewhere that SCREEM is crash-prone. Have you tried Quanta+, Bluefish, Mozilla Composer and Amaya? Amaya is great to use in conjunction with other HTML creators, since it generates 100% standards-compliant code (it's made by the W3C). Not Amaya. Never heard of it till today. I sometimes make a page in StarOffice (which is pretty-good with HTML) and then make minor adjustments in Amaya to make it standards-compliant. * STAR OFFICE!!?? I must check it out, then. But what I miss are the simple things of life, like packaged so-easy-to-use templates and built-in scripts I NEED decent onscreen fonts - I work loong hours on the screen. The two best things I can suggest here is to import your Windos TrueType fonts and use them in apps with anti-aliasing (font smoothing for Windos users). All QT2 apps (e.g. anything KDE) has the potential to use anti-aliasing. Have you tried KOffice? KOffice Beta 3 was released about a month ago -- it is supposed to be very good. It may not have all the features of StarOffice, OpenOffice (BTW, a new OpenOffice build was released a few days ago) or M$ Word quite yet, but it has been said that most people only use 5% of the features of these huge office suites. KOffice has all the basics in place. *** QT2? Is it a setup procedure to get them to anti-alias? Also I have imported my Doze fonts but SOffice can't find them - or other things for that matter . I NEED GOOD printer output. IIRC, Lexmark has its own drivers and software for their printers. Have you tried the Lexmark web site? LinuxPrinting.org has an entry for your Lexmark Z32: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=317129 * Yes, I d/ldd the drivers but can't figure out how to get Star or default to use them. Normal procedure via Drake doesn't seem to take. Unless the Linux drivers are much, much poorer than the Dozers implementation. Try searching MandrakeForum.com for anything by Till Kamppeter (Mandrake's resident printing genius :-) ): http://mandrakeforum.com/search.php?query=type=storiessection=to pic=author=Tilldays=0sort=ts.time I NEED a Scanner I don't know much about GNU/Linux and scanners (I don't have one), but I know
[newbie] Alternatives help like Win4Lin?
Hi folks, This may seem like blasphemy, but might also be a sane solution for those who try it and it just won't go... It appears I can either: 1. Spend untold time hoping for a fix ( a week spent looking so far!) 2. Buy a lot of new stuff ( what do I do with the old?) 3. Quit and go back ( not an option!! :-) ) 4. Compromise... Win4Lin or VM or WINE or XP86 whatever it is. The most logical move financially and timewise seems Win4Lin or similar. Anyone with handson experience of any of the above I would appreciate your help. WINE is free. Can't get any sense out of it as far as applications etc go - except I just found that it is what runs Websphere on Linux!! ( I have it) Have no idea how to test it or run progs under it. XP86/BOSH . Not able to comprehend it either, Civileme says it has promise, but I could not find out anything usable about it on its Site. Also Free. No idea how to run/test it either VM is dearest by miles. Not sure of this one - seems to be similar in CPU demand to Windoze . Win4Lin is around $80. Seems to be a simple gui install.Claims to do everything one could need - IF stuck with Windows apps. I apparently am. I NEED Voice Dictation. Am going nutz fighting M8 without it now. M8 wont talk to my Sound. I NEED either FrontPage 2000 or the Windoze version of Websphere at least. - the Linux/wine version is too cut down and painfully slow. The GNU ones are too stripped down no extras. I NEED decent onscreen fonts - I work loong hours on the screen. I NEED GOOD printer output. I NEED a Scanner -- Cheers, John http://counter.li.org GO HERE IF YOU SUPPORT LINUX! Fablor is now Webhosting?? What on earth for?? Info here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (it's only an Autoresponder) :-)
