Re: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen

2003-08-28 Thread Richard Urwin
To be pedantic, theliquid crystals are not a polarised light source.

The light comes from a uniform light at the back of the screen. This is 
polarised by a filter and then passed through the liquid crystal 
matrix. The crystals that are powered twist the polarisation 90 
degrees. The light then passes through a second polarisation filter at 
90 degrees to the first. If no twist is involved the light is stopped 
by that and the pixel is black. If the liqid crystals have twisted the 
light, however, the light passes through and appears bright. 

Colour is created by a mask layer of red, green and blue dots in 
register with the pixels, so each screen pixel is made up of at least 
three liquid crystal elements; one for each primary colour.

The liquid effect when you touch the screen is caused by the pressure 
deforming the whole thing and compressing the liquid crystal layer, 
which is, after all, liquid.

Nice trick: try looking at an LCD display of any sort, including a 
calculator or a watch, with polaroid sunglasses on. At some angle the 
whole display goes dark because the polarised light is at right angles 
to the polariod filter in the glasses.

On Wednesday 27 Aug 2003 11:26 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote:
 Exactly.

 -Original Message-
 From: John Richard Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 12:06 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen


 Now that is an interesting article. So a pixel is really light bent
 by electronic switching of the crystalls that act as polarised light
 sources. I quess that is why if you run your finger lightly over the
 serface of a LCD monitor you get a kind of watery effect of the
 picture. What I didn't find clear was whether each polarised light
 source is assigned a specific colour source or whether a given
 crystal can be made to emit either of the 3 primary colours.


 Anyway the essense of the matter as to how good a picture you are
 going to get is the number of pixel polarised light sources per given
 area and the speed by which those polarised light sources can be
 switched on and off.  Yes ?

 John

 stormjumper wrote:
 hi John,
 
 er, just a slight correction here.
 
 a typical basic specfication for a crt is the vertical refresh rate.
 i believe that is what u're referring to when you mentioned 85.
 it should probably read as 85hz, ie 85 cycles per second.
 
 a typical recommended comfortable value for most pp is 75,
 altho that requirement goes up as the screen gets larger.
 
 fyi, this refresh rate value has nothing to do w sharpness.
 
 most consumer LCDs are generally sharper than consumer CRTs,
 hence being easier on the eyes. some frens in certain creative
  fields, namely design and architecture, claim that the pro CRTs
 (typically 19 and above) are equally sharp, if not sharper.
 these obviously come at non-consumer prices as well.
 
 also, vertical refresh rate is not really relevant for LCDs.
 you can refer to
 
 http://www.lcdmonitors.philips.com/lcdmonitors/articles/basics_of_lc
 d.a

 sp

 Why is a vertical frequency of 60 Hz optimal for an LCD monitor?
 which will explain far better than i can.
 
 for LCD's the more relevant spec is prolly the response time,
 which is a figure typically between 15-40 ms.
 the smaller the number, the better for watching video/playing games,
 as it will result is less visual streaking/smearing/watever you call

 it.

 you should also take note of the brightness and contrast ratio,
 which is impt esp if you work in a very well-lit environment,
 eg a sun lit room. otherwise, most lcds are bright enough.
 
 enuff said. hope these help.
 - Original Message -

 From: John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 20:46
 Subject: Re: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen
 
 I see, so in regards to TFT's it's not a case then of a beam of
 electrons scanning the screen top left to botton right so many
  times a second ( CRT of 85Mhz = 85 refershed scans per second) but
  a question

 of

 how many times a pixel is electronically swithced on and off
 electronically, that is by a circuit behind that pixel ?
 
 So  a TFT with a refresh rate of 16ms  is being switched on and
  off, 16/1000of a second each time. I guess as time goes on that
  time will decrease some as technology improves.
 
 Yes, I think Dell merely badge someone elses make don't they, they
  buy in large orders at a time at best prices and badge them, and
  sometimes they get a bad deal, and sell the shipment off quickly
  to a retailer

 for

 a knockdown price. That is why I was suspicious in the first place,

 and

 came to the list, because I have extremely limited experience with

 these

 devices. Seems like I will have to keep my old CRT's a while longer

 yet.

 John

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RE: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen

2003-08-27 Thread Tony S. Sykes
John,

The way I understand it, is that it only changes the pixel if it needs
it. It does not refresh at all in the same way as a crt. As you say the
crt beams all the lines one after another, the tft only changes a pixel
when it needs changing. If I remember correctly Tom's Hardware has an
article on it which will explain it a lot better than me.

Tony.

-Original Message-
From: John Richard Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 1:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen


I see, so in regards to TFT's it's not a case then of a beam of 
electrons scanning the screen top left to botton right so many times a 
second ( CRT of 85Mhz = 85 refershed scans per second) but a question of
how many times a pixel is electronically swithced on and off 
electronically, that is by a circuit behind that pixel ?

So  a TFT with a refresh rate of 16ms  is being switched on and off, 
16/1000of a second each time. I guess as time goes on that time will 
decrease some as technology improves.

Yes, I think Dell merely badge someone elses make don't they, they buy 
in large orders at a time at best prices and badge them, and sometimes 
they get a bad deal, and sell the shipment off quickly to a retailer for
a knockdown price. That is why I was suspicious in the first place, and 
came to the list, because I have extremely limited experience with these
devices. Seems like I will have to keep my old CRT's a while longer yet.

John




Tony S. Sykes wrote:

John,

I am sure Dell sell rebranded monitors anyway (correct me if I am
wrong). So you need to try and find out who the original manufacturer
is. I've got a Hitachi 17 1280x1024 with a 16ms refresh rate. It is a
lot sharper than crt's. Mine cost a little more about £400 but it was
the top of the range in the 16ms bracket (6 months ago). You only need
that fast a response if your gaming (and I do). The faster the response
the less ghosting you get (response is the time it takes for the pixel
to turn off and back on again, the system does not refresh in the same
sense as a crt). There is no flicker on tft's like crt's so don't worry
about that. I think they are a lot better (less power hungry too).

Thanks,

Tony.

-Original Message-
From: John Richard Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 5:11 PM
To: NEWBIE 1
Subject: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen


OK, so this is an offer from a UK supplier and I asked them what 
resolution is it capable of. They replied,

Its native resolution is 1280 x 1024. It'll go higher with
interpolation
but the image quality suffers. TFTs aren't like CRTs in that respect
because the screen is constructed from a grid of pixels of dimensions
1280 x 1024.

So this means in effect the best resolution is 1280 x 1024, right ?

Well that is what I'm used to, and the price is right, though I would
dearly of liked a 19 for the same money. 

Question ,
 

How much would you have to pay in the states for a 19 flat screen with
at least 1280 x 1024 resolution and is that the same in reality as a
regular CRT monitor of the same resolution ?

Who has the experience to say ?
because I don't.

John

  



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Re: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen

2003-08-27 Thread stormjumper
hi John,

er, just a slight correction here.

a typical basic specfication for a crt is the vertical refresh rate.
i believe that is what u're referring to when you mentioned 85.
it should probably read as 85hz, ie 85 cycles per second.

a typical recommended comfortable value for most pp is 75,
altho that requirement goes up as the screen gets larger.

fyi, this refresh rate value has nothing to do w sharpness.

most consumer LCDs are generally sharper than consumer CRTs,
hence being easier on the eyes. some frens in certain creative fields,
namely design and architecture, claim that the pro CRTs
(typically 19 and above) are equally sharp, if not sharper.
these obviously come at non-consumer prices as well.

also, vertical refresh rate is not really relevant for LCDs.
you can refer to

http://www.lcdmonitors.philips.com/lcdmonitors/articles/basics_of_lcd.asp
Why is a vertical frequency of 60 Hz optimal for an LCD monitor?
which will explain far better than i can.

for LCD's the more relevant spec is prolly the response time,
which is a figure typically between 15-40 ms.
the smaller the number, the better for watching video/playing games,
as it will result is less visual streaking/smearing/watever you call it.

you should also take note of the brightness and contrast ratio,
which is impt esp if you work in a very well-lit environment,
eg a sun lit room. otherwise, most lcds are bright enough.

enuff said. hope these help.
- Original Message - 
From: John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 20:46
Subject: Re: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen


 I see, so in regards to TFT's it's not a case then of a beam of
 electrons scanning the screen top left to botton right so many times a
 second ( CRT of 85Mhz = 85 refershed scans per second) but a question of
 how many times a pixel is electronically swithced on and off
 electronically, that is by a circuit behind that pixel ?

 So  a TFT with a refresh rate of 16ms  is being switched on and off,
 16/1000of a second each time. I guess as time goes on that time will
 decrease some as technology improves.

 Yes, I think Dell merely badge someone elses make don't they, they buy
 in large orders at a time at best prices and badge them, and sometimes
 they get a bad deal, and sell the shipment off quickly to a retailer for
 a knockdown price. That is why I was suspicious in the first place, and
 came to the list, because I have extremely limited experience with these
 devices. Seems like I will have to keep my old CRT's a while longer yet.

 John




 Tony S. Sykes wrote:

 John,
 
 I am sure Dell sell rebranded monitors anyway (correct me if I am
 wrong). So you need to try and find out who the original manufacturer
 is. I've got a Hitachi 17 1280x1024 with a 16ms refresh rate. It is a
 lot sharper than crt's. Mine cost a little more about £400 but it was
 the top of the range in the 16ms bracket (6 months ago). You only need
 that fast a response if your gaming (and I do). The faster the response
 the less ghosting you get (response is the time it takes for the pixel
 to turn off and back on again, the system does not refresh in the same
 sense as a crt). There is no flicker on tft's like crt's so don't worry
 about that. I think they are a lot better (less power hungry too).
 
 Thanks,
 
 Tony.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Richard Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 5:11 PM
 To: NEWBIE 1
 Subject: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen
 
 
 OK, so this is an offer from a UK supplier and I asked them what
 resolution is it capable of. They replied,
 
 Its native resolution is 1280 x 1024. It'll go higher with interpolation
 but the image quality suffers. TFTs aren't like CRTs in that respect
 because the screen is constructed from a grid of pixels of dimensions
 1280 x 1024.
 
 So this means in effect the best resolution is 1280 x 1024, right ?
 
 Well that is what I'm used to, and the price is right, though I would
 dearly of liked a 19 for the same money.
 
 Question ,
 
 
 How much would you have to pay in the states for a 19 flat screen with
 at least 1280 x 1024 resolution and is that the same in reality as a
 regular CRT monitor of the same resolution ?
 
 Who has the experience to say ?
 because I don't.
 
 John
 
 
 


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Re: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen

2003-08-26 Thread Heather/Femme
On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 11:40, John Richard Smith wrote:
 snaip
 Refresh rates for TFT's are behind the curve unfortunately to some
 degree... so waiting for an 85hz refresh might be a year or so John.
 
 But worth the wait... :)
 
 Femmeley
 
   
 
 Is that so, then what is your current  TFT ?
 
 John

IIRC 75hz @ 1024x768 but I could be wrong... haven't gotten it to work
as dual monitor with linux yet so I cannot check right offhand. 

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RE: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen

2003-08-26 Thread Tony S. Sykes
John,

I am sure Dell sell rebranded monitors anyway (correct me if I am
wrong). So you need to try and find out who the original manufacturer
is. I've got a Hitachi 17 1280x1024 with a 16ms refresh rate. It is a
lot sharper than crt's. Mine cost a little more about £400 but it was
the top of the range in the 16ms bracket (6 months ago). You only need
that fast a response if your gaming (and I do). The faster the response
the less ghosting you get (response is the time it takes for the pixel
to turn off and back on again, the system does not refresh in the same
sense as a crt). There is no flicker on tft's like crt's so don't worry
about that. I think they are a lot better (less power hungry too).

Thanks,

Tony.

-Original Message-
From: John Richard Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 5:11 PM
To: NEWBIE 1
Subject: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen


OK, so this is an offer from a UK supplier and I asked them what 
resolution is it capable of. They replied,

Its native resolution is 1280 x 1024. It'll go higher with interpolation
but the image quality suffers. TFTs aren't like CRTs in that respect
because the screen is constructed from a grid of pixels of dimensions
1280 x 1024.

So this means in effect the best resolution is 1280 x 1024, right ?

Well that is what I'm used to, and the price is right, though I would
dearly of liked a 19 for the same money. 

Question ,
 

How much would you have to pay in the states for a 19 flat screen with
at least 1280 x 1024 resolution and is that the same in reality as a
regular CRT monitor of the same resolution ?

Who has the experience to say ?
because I don't.

John


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Re: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen

2003-08-26 Thread John Richard Smith
I see, so in regards to TFT's it's not a case then of a beam of 
electrons scanning the screen top left to botton right so many times a 
second ( CRT of 85Mhz = 85 refershed scans per second) but a question of 
how many times a pixel is electronically swithced on and off 
electronically, that is by a circuit behind that pixel ?

So  a TFT with a refresh rate of 16ms  is being switched on and off, 
16/1000of a second each time. I guess as time goes on that time will 
decrease some as technology improves.

Yes, I think Dell merely badge someone elses make don't they, they buy 
in large orders at a time at best prices and badge them, and sometimes 
they get a bad deal, and sell the shipment off quickly to a retailer for 
a knockdown price. That is why I was suspicious in the first place, and 
came to the list, because I have extremely limited experience with these 
devices. Seems like I will have to keep my old CRT's a while longer yet.

John



Tony S. Sykes wrote:

John,

I am sure Dell sell rebranded monitors anyway (correct me if I am
wrong). So you need to try and find out who the original manufacturer
is. I've got a Hitachi 17 1280x1024 with a 16ms refresh rate. It is a
lot sharper than crt's. Mine cost a little more about £400 but it was
the top of the range in the 16ms bracket (6 months ago). You only need
that fast a response if your gaming (and I do). The faster the response
the less ghosting you get (response is the time it takes for the pixel
to turn off and back on again, the system does not refresh in the same
sense as a crt). There is no flicker on tft's like crt's so don't worry
about that. I think they are a lot better (less power hungry too).
Thanks,

Tony.

-Original Message-
From: John Richard Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 5:11 PM
To: NEWBIE 1
Subject: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen
OK, so this is an offer from a UK supplier and I asked them what 
resolution is it capable of. They replied,

Its native resolution is 1280 x 1024. It'll go higher with interpolation
but the image quality suffers. TFTs aren't like CRTs in that respect
because the screen is constructed from a grid of pixels of dimensions
1280 x 1024.
So this means in effect the best resolution is 1280 x 1024, right ?

Well that is what I'm used to, and the price is right, though I would
dearly of liked a 19 for the same money. 

Question ,

How much would you have to pay in the states for a 19 flat screen with
at least 1280 x 1024 resolution and is that the same in reality as a
regular CRT monitor of the same resolution ?
Who has the experience to say ?
because I don't.
John

 



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Re: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen

2003-08-25 Thread Heather/Femme
On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 13:07, John Richard Smith wrote:
 snipple
 Thanks,
 You know it's so much more reassuring to hear first hand from people 
 with experience with equipement new to oneself.
 
 I think I'm going to wait till the right offer for a 19 1280x1024 at 
 maybe 85Hz?
 is that about right for the refresh rate,  eventually comes along.
 
 John
 

Refresh rates for TFT's are behind the curve unfortunately to some
degree... so waiting for an 85hz refresh might be a year or so John.

But worth the wait... :)

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Re: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen

2003-08-25 Thread John Richard Smith
Heather/Femme wrote:

On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 13:07, John Richard Smith wrote:
 

snipple
Thanks,
You know it's so much more reassuring to hear first hand from people 
with experience with equipement new to oneself.

I think I'm going to wait till the right offer for a 19 1280x1024 at 
maybe 85Hz?
is that about right for the refresh rate,  eventually comes along.

John

   

Refresh rates for TFT's are behind the curve unfortunately to some
degree... so waiting for an 85hz refresh might be a year or so John.
But worth the wait... :)

Femmeley

 

Is that so, then what is your current  TFT ?

John

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Re: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen

2003-08-25 Thread John Richard Smith
Stephen Kuhn wrote:

On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 05:38, Tom Brinkman wrote:

 

  FWIW, I wouldn't buy one on specs. You need to see it in a 
store's showroom. Then get the model number an buy it online after 
checking for Linux compatibility and performance. The one's you see 
in a store are runnin Winsux. Same for online reviews.
   

That's why having a Knoppix CD is so handy - boot the showroom box
with the Knoppix CD (if you can convince the sales simian that it ain't
going to muck up the box); then you can see the resolution(s) and the
likes...great way for telling if a box is going to give you problems as
well...(or for doing forensic research on a box) (grin)
 

You know that is a very good idea, I've got a knoppix Cd as well , so I 
might try that .

John

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Re: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen

2003-08-24 Thread Michael Juntunen

--- John Richard Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 OK, so this is an offer from a UK supplier and I
 asked them what 
 resolution is it capable of. They replied,
 
 Its native resolution is 1280 x 1024. It'll go
 higher with interpolation
 but the image quality suffers. TFTs aren't like CRTs
 in that respect
 because the screen is constructed from a grid of
 pixels of dimensions
 1280 x 1024.
 
 So this means in effect the best resolution is 1280
 x 1024, right ?
 
 Well that is what I'm used to, and the price is
 right, though I would dearly of liked a 19 for the
 same money. 
 
 Question ,
  
 
 How much would you have to pay in the states for a
 19 flat screen with at least 1280 x 1024 resolution
 and is that the same in reality as a regular CRT
 monitor of the same resolution ?
 
 Who has the experience to say ?
 because I don't.
 
 John


 I am currently looking for a monitor myself and I
have been using ebay (www.ebay.com).  Found that I
just mught be able to get about 2 larger thatn I
would have otherwise been able to afford.  
 Also, the reviews on www.zdnet.com can give you a
general feel for how a particular manufacter's product
is going to behave for you.  It can be hard to get a
review for the particular model you are interested in,
but manufactureers tend to stick to certain styles and
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Re: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen

2003-08-24 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 05:38, Tom Brinkman wrote:

FWIW, I wouldn't buy one on specs. You need to see it in a 
 store's showroom. Then get the model number an buy it online after 
 checking for Linux compatibility and performance. The one's you see 
 in a store are runnin Winsux. Same for online reviews.

That's why having a Knoppix CD is so handy - boot the showroom box
with the Knoppix CD (if you can convince the sales simian that it ain't
going to muck up the box); then you can see the resolution(s) and the
likes...great way for telling if a box is going to give you problems as
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Re: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen

2003-08-23 Thread Alex Weiss
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:45:54 +, John Richard Smith
wrote:

 
 Alex Weiss wrote:
 
 I've got a samsung 191T at 1280 x 1024 
 it goes for $749 before a $100 rebate
 I like it alot
 
 see it here:
 

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1051384581717skuId=4801753type=product
 
   
 
 Did you have any problems setting this up under
 Mandrake ?
 In particular did the test function work as expected ?


I don't recall having any problems at all. The Mandrake
Control center didn't have the 191T as an option
listed, so i just chose the SyncMaster 800TFT and
everything works great. It is a beautiful display. No
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Re: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen

2003-08-23 Thread John Richard Smith
Alex Weiss wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:45:54 +, John Richard Smith
wrote:
 

Alex Weiss wrote:

   

I've got a samsung 191T at 1280 x 1024 
it goes for $749 before a $100 rebate
I like it alot

see it here:

 

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1051384581717skuId=4801753type=product
   



 

Did you have any problems setting this up under
Mandrake ?
In particular did the test function work as expected ?
   



I don't recall having any problems at all. The Mandrake
Control center didn't have the 191T as an option
listed, so i just chose the SyncMaster 800TFT and
everything works great. It is a beautiful display. No
complaints.
 

Thanks,
You know it's so much more reassuring to hear first hand from people 
with experience with equipement new to oneself.

I think I'm going to wait till the right offer for a 19 1280x1024 at 
maybe 85Hz?
is that about right for the refresh rate,  eventually comes along.

John

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Re: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen

2003-08-23 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Saturday August 23 2003 02:07 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
 I think I'm going to wait till the right offer for a 19
 1280x1024 at maybe 85Hz?
 is that about right for the refresh rate,  eventually comes
 along.

 John

That's what I'm doin ... waitin. Don't expect prices to come 
down, actually they're goin up. I'm waitin for better quality LCD's 
that don't cost a small fortune.

   FWIW, I wouldn't buy one on specs. You need to see it in a 
store's showroom. Then get the model number an buy it online after 
checking for Linux compatibility and performance. The one's you see 
in a store are runnin Winsux. Same for online reviews.
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Re: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen

2003-08-22 Thread Heather/Femme
On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 10:10, John Richard Smith wrote:
 OK, so this is an offer from a UK supplier and I asked them what 
 resolution is it capable of. They replied,
 
 Its native resolution is 1280 x 1024. It'll go higher with interpolation
 but the image quality suffers. TFTs aren't like CRTs in that respect
 because the screen is constructed from a grid of pixels of dimensions
 1280 x 1024.
 
 So this means in effect the best resolution is 1280 x 1024, right ?
 
 Well that is what I'm used to, and the price is right, though I would dearly of 
 liked a 19 for the same money. 
 
 Question ,
  
 
 How much would you have to pay in the states for a 19 flat screen with at least 
 1280 x 1024 resolution and is that the same in reality as a regular CRT monitor of 
 the same resolution ?
 
 Who has the experience to say ?
 because I don't.
 
 John

I have a 17 TFT screen.  Its great..and keep in mind a 17 is
equivalnet to an 18 CRT.  NOt sure why has somethign to do witht eh way
the bezel lines up the screen...Just don't expect to game with it.

and a 19 in canada is still pricy.. I paid $500 on sale at Xmas last
year for this one.. the TFT came in @ about $500 too.  

So they are still expensive either way...but and LCD is brighter 
smaller.. so its really your choice there.  But native resolution means
that it can't go higher w/out looking like shit. Or lower for that
matter.  Which kinda sucks for some stuff like games  certain apps
(Gimp for example if you want to run it higher).

Femme


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Re: [newbie] Dell TFT 17Flat Screen

2003-08-22 Thread Alex Weiss
I've got a samsung 191T at 1280 x 1024 
it goes for $749 before a $100 rebate
I like it alot

see it here:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1051384581717skuId=4801753type=product






On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:10:54 +, John Richard Smith
wrote:

 
 OK, so this is an offer from a UK supplier and I asked
 them what 
 resolution is it capable of. They replied,
 
 Its native resolution is 1280 x 1024. It'll go higher
 with interpolation
 but the image quality suffers. TFTs aren't like CRTs
in
 that respect
 because the screen is constructed from a grid of
pixels
 of dimensions
 1280 x 1024.
 
 So this means in effect the best resolution is 1280 x
 1024, right ?
 
 Well that is what I'm used to, and the price is right,
 though I would dearly of liked a 19 for the same
 money. 
 
 Question ,
  
 
 How much would you have to pay in the states for a 19
 flat screen with at least 1280 x 1024 resolution and
is
 that the same in reality as a regular CRT monitor of
 the same resolution ?
 
 Who has the experience to say ?
 because I don't.
 
 John
 
 
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