Re: [newbie] How to edit video mode when in failsafe?
On Friday 14 March 2003 00:52, Leendert wrote: I tried 16 bit, also tried the super vga interlaced now, but still no result... I think I just download and try 9.1rc tomorrow, ok, it's a rc, beta, whatever, but maybe that one works :). Control+alt+backspace didn't work (maybe because that was not implemented in 8.2?) so I had to restart each time. Meaning the machine hangs on the test:o( And oh yes, it was implemented on 8.2 all right. I've had similar problems on an old machine (ditto screen) with an old maxtor IIRC. Mdk always hung on the gui. I had to change settings in /etc/X11/XF86Config (this is thé file controlling your gui-settings) manually i.e. remove all the settings above 16 bits and setting the default to 16 instead of 24 bits. That would be in Section Screen DefaultColordepth 16 and in the following Subsections delete (or comment out using #) all Depth and Modes that are too high. Maybe needless to say: Make a back-up copy of the files in your /home/leendert/ directory (or anywhere, as long as it's not on /etc/X11 under the same name) first!! Or send it to us so we can see what's up. Take a peek in /etc/X11/ you'll find more XF86Config's there but the it should be using the first, i.e. the one without extensions. You probably won't need to change the other XF86Config files I hope as now it should work IMO. Slackware8.1 installed fine on the same machine using framebuffer so it had to be something like that. Tip: Using mc (midnight commander) on the commandline gives a Norton Commander like interface making navigation and file tweaking a little easier. Just type startx or XFree86 on the CML and see whether X will start or what errors you're getting. Hoping the box doesn't hang anymore, but keep yer fingers crossed anyway. I also found that HOWTO on the net, that is a little too complicated for me, but if 9.1 also won't work I'll try it for sure! On the other side, I need to buy a new monitor anyway, this one sucks... Well 9.1rc2 certainly rocks but 8.2 is rocksolid and I doubt if there's a 9.1-ppc version already. Get yourself a nice big one. That way all the eye-candy is more fun:o) Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to edit video mode when in failsafe?
On Friday 14 March 2003 22:02, Leendert wrote: Tried 9.1 today, that one didn't hang on the test, but returns after a few secs. I tried much monitor settings, also the custom with the correct values, but no good result. However, some settings gave me an image with readable text, only colors messed up and flickerings and stipes when moving the cursor like on a TV with a bad antenna, so I started X with that setting to test if I will run into other problems, but all works correctly. Now I'm going to try more settings and/or writing my own file. One question: how to edit config/text files without booting X (command prompt)? And can I submit the correct settings somewhere to help other users with the same monitor? Leendert PS: I also couldn¹t edit the config files in etc/X11/ because I don't know how to edit files in the command promt/terminal/whatever yet :/ You could use vi for that but it isn't that easy for some-one who'se never used it before. Try my tip on using mc it works you quite well. It isn't installed by default on MDK9.1 IIRC so you'll have to install it yourself. Type urpmi mc on the CML as su/root to do that, it will prompt you for the correct CD. It's very similar in it's functions to Norton Commander or Wincommander so if you've used any of those before you'll feel right at home. Good Luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to edit video mode when in failsafe?
I've got it to work by selecting ATI Radeon 8500 as graphic card and the custom monitor settings all looks perfect, however, I'm pretty sure I have a radeon 7500 installed (the hardwhare info from x also says that), so it's very strange this works and the driver that should work doesn't. I also don't have 3d hardware acceleration now (I think so because the game chromium that was included with the install (yes, I looked around a bit :) ran at about 0.5 frames/sec.), but I'm already happy that I can finally explore and use this OS. I'll try to edit that config now (I want all to work, including 3d acceleration ;). After it installed mc I can just type mc file-to-edit or man mc, mc tab or help mc? I'm also going to post more questions in the list (sorry, I'm really a newbie) about some plain things. Thanks! Leendert On 3/14/03 10:22 PM, H.J.Bathoorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could use vi for that but it isn't that easy for some-one who'se never used it before. Try my tip on using mc it works you quite well. It isn't installed by default on MDK9.1 IIRC so you'll have to install it yourself. Type urpmi mc on the CML as su/root to do that, it will prompt you for the correct CD. It's very similar in it's functions to Norton Commander or Wincommander so if you've used any of those before you'll feel right at home. Good Luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to edit video mode when in failsafe?
On Saturday 15 March 2003 00:11, Leendert wrote: I'll try to edit that config now (I want all to work, including 3d acceleration ;). After it installed mc I can just type mc file-to-edit or man mc, mc tab or help mc? No, just type plain mc on the CML and hit enter and the program starts in the console. Most other commands work with command /path_to/filename or for more info command --help or man command As to the 3d, I'm not aqainted enough with your card to be suresomebody else will have to chip in:o/ Good hunting, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to edit video mode when in failsafe?
control-alt-keypad plus would not have helped here. It cycles through the possible settings for your monitor, once you have it properly set up. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to edit video mode when in failsafe?
On 3/13/03 8:44 PM, H.J.Bathoorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks!! I'll try it now :). Can I also find a command list somewhere online, like how to list a directory in parts, or how to edit documents? Thanks again, Leendert Yes, that would be the command drakxconf without the quotes. All commands starting with drak are configuration tools. The easiest way to find out is to type drak on the command line and the hit the tab key (which is for autocompletion) and as there are mutiple possibilities, all of them will be shown. drakxconf will be among them. tab is your best friend on the CML!:o) Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to edit video mode when in failsafe?
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 06:29, Leendert wrote: Ok, I've got all installed with the GRAPHICAL installer, then it restarted, displayed lots of text, and then it wanted to launch the GUI: black screen! Now I tried to install mandrake with different options, but I still get a black screen. At the boot I can also choose for a command line interface/text startup, however, I'm new to linux (as I said before) and the only unix commands I know are cd, ls and ./ so that's nothing. I also viewed into those administrator tools, but I could find everything except video settings in there. Anyone knows how to edit the video settings (resolution etc) when logged in into a terminal? -Leendert PS: I've already searched the mailing archives, but I only found more questions, no solution, control-alt-keypad plus didn't work either. I'm on a: Apple G4 800 mhz ATI Radeon graphics card Mandrake v 8.2 PPC Maybe I've jumped in a little late in this thread, so let me ask you this: are you able AT ALL to login to any of the options given at the boot screen? Do any of the options allow for you to have a graphical login? Something else to check out as well - on CD3, there is an RPM labelled as Xtart-blablabla-rpm - install that - it allows you to easily start XWindows from the terminal/console prompt (by typing Xtart)... Another thing to do is to make sure you know exactly what your video card is - and make sure the driver is installed for it - Have you downloaded any of the graphics drivers for your card as of yet, or did the installation detect your proper video card already? -- Fri Mar 14 06:50:00 EST 2003 06:50:00 up 1 day, 16:13, 3 users, load average: 0.75, 0.37, 0.28 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to edit video mode when in failsafe?
Sorry to butting in on this but just out of curiosity I ran drakxconf but when I selected Display Configuration it would run the Connection Sharing wizard (how odd!). However, Xdrakres is a tool that will let you change your video card/resolution/depth/etc. Open a term and type Xdrakres (without the quotes) HTH Jerry. On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:44:42 +0100 H.J.Bathoorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 13 March 2003 20:29, Leendert wrote: Ok, I've got all installed with the GRAPHICAL installer, then it restarted, displayed lots of text, and then it wanted to launch the GUI: black screen! Now I tried to install mandrake with different options, but I still get a black screen. At the boot I can also choose for a command line interface/text startup, however, I'm new to linux (as I said before) and the only unix commands I know are cd, ls and ./ so that's nothing. I also viewed into those administrator tools, but I could find everything except video settings in there. Anyone knows how to edit the video settings (resolution etc) when logged in into a terminal? -Leendert PS: I've already searched the mailing archives, but I only found more questions, no solution, control-alt-keypad plus didn't work either. I'm on a: Apple G4 800 mhz ATI Radeon graphics card Mandrake v 8.2 PPC Yes, that would be the command drakxconf without the quotes. All commands starting with drak are configuration tools. The easiest way to find out is to type drak on the command line and the hit the tab key (which is for autocompletion) and as there are mutiple possibilities, all of them will be shown. drakxconf will be among them. tab is your best friend on the CML!:o) Good luck, HarM -- Registered Linux user # 300600 Registered Linux machine # 185855 at http://counter.li.org (o_ //\ V_/_ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to edit video mode when in failsafe?
On Thursday 13 March 2003 20:49, Leendert wrote: Thanks!! I'll try it now :). Can I also find a command list somewhere online, like how to list a directory in parts, or how to edit documents? Thanks again, Leendert Well about the online list I wouldn't know, I get along quite well with tab and the manpages (thats man man on the CML and man woman for a snigger;o)) for the available options. For a dead tree version I'd advise 'Linux in a nutshell' from O'reilly that's a fairly complete overview of all the commands and their options. Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to edit video mode when in failsafe?
On Thursday 13 Mar 2003 7:49 pm, Leendert wrote: On 3/13/03 8:44 PM, H.J.Bathoorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks!! I'll try it now :). Can I also find a command list somewhere online, like how to list a directory in parts, or how to edit documents? Try http://linux.org.mt/article/terminal which should turn up an article called The Linux Terminal - a Beginners' Bash HTH Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to edit video mode when in failsafe?
On Thursday 13 March 2003 20:58, Jerry Barton wrote: Sorry to butting in on this but just out of curiosity I ran drakxconf but when I selected Display Configuration it would run the Connection Sharing wizard (how odd!). However, Xdrakres is a tool that will let you change your video card/resolution/depth/etc. Open a term and type Xdrakres (without the quotes) HTH Jerry. I remember that! The focus wasn't always OK in a terminal, just move down a few steps till you get the right one:o) Oh well, I agree Xdrakres works fine too, forgot about that one. I can even add XFdrtake to that list and nowadays startx --configure seems to do the job as well so I've been told. That's gnu/linux for you!:o) Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to edit video mode when in failsafe?
In reply to Leendert's mail, d.d. Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:49:20 +0100: On 3/13/03 8:44 PM, H.J.Bathoorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks!! I'll try it now :). Can I also find a command list somewhere online, like how to list a directory in parts, or how to edit documents? If you want to view everything in a directory by scrolling up and down, use ls | less Press ESC or q to quit from less. Editting from the commandline: vi or emacs. Better familiarize yourself with some commands in vi: i insert more ESC leave insert mode :wwrite file :qquit vi :wq write file and quit :q! quit, do not save (I don't speak emacs.) Paul -- A full cup must be carried steadily. -English proverb http://nlpagan.net - Linux by Mandrake - Sylpheed by Hiro Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to edit video mode when in failsafe?
Thanks for all the help, Xdrakres even let me choose my monitor again (that isn't in the list), but it still doesn't work. If I choose TEST still the same, black screen, but it stays black, doesn't switch back (and I guess it should, because it's a test button). The computer, however, didn't lock up when booting normally, I'm sure because after I pressed enter (I have a default user without password, so I think it logged in when I did that) I heard a (welcome?) music... Anyway, this is my configuration: -ATI Radeon (recognized, driver set to radeon) -Dell Ultrascan 15TX (old one) configured as Generic VGA monitor (also tried custom monitor, but the specs of my monitor couldn't be filled in, and tried some other models that looked like my monitor). Now I have some other questions: -Can I look for a driver for my monitor, or make a text document with the specs or something myself to add it to the list, and will this help? -Can I also tell linux to use the same video settings as on the installation? -IS this a monitor problem, or has this to do with my video card? And things that still bother me: -on the install it installs GRAPHICAL in 1024x768 and all looked nice!! -at boot it also switches resolution from 1024x786 to 640x480 and nothing goes wrong At least I'm now a little more familiar with the commands ;-) -Leendert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to edit video mode when in failsafe?
On Thursday 13 March 2003 22:12, Leendert wrote: Thanks for all the help, Xdrakres even let me choose my monitor again (that isn't in the list), but it still doesn't work. If I choose TEST still the same, black screen, but it stays black, doesn't switch back (and I guess it should, because it's a test button). The computer, however, didn't lock up when booting normally, I'm sure because after I pressed enter (I have a default user without password, so I think it logged in when I did that) I heard a (welcome?) music... Anyway, this is my configuration: -ATI Radeon (recognized, driver set to radeon) -Dell Ultrascan 15TX (old one) configured as Generic VGA monitor (also tried custom monitor, but the specs of my monitor couldn't be filled in, and tried some other models that looked like my monitor). Now I have some other questions: -Can I look for a driver for my monitor, or make a text document with the specs or something myself to add it to the list, and will this help? -Can I also tell linux to use the same video settings as on the installation? -IS this a monitor problem, or has this to do with my video card? And things that still bother me: -on the install it installs GRAPHICAL in 1024x768 and all looked nice!! -at boot it also switches resolution from 1024x786 to 640x480 and nothing goes wrong At least I'm now a little more familiar with the commands ;-) -Leendert Did you try lowering the color depth i.e to 16 bits? To stop the graphical interface anytime during test hit ctrl alt backspace simultaneously. That should return you to the CML pronto. Use your arrow keys (up and down) to scroll through the history of your commands, that way you won't have to constantly retype your them. I don't know your monitor but with older VGA monitors I had some succes by trying generic super vga interlaced The install runs on the BIOS framebuffer and actally Xfree should've configured that in your case. BTW what version of Xfree86 are running? Well look at the bright side: You're getting a crashcourse CML and probably a working windowmanager to top it off:o) Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to edit video mode when in failsafe?
On Thursday 13 Mar 2003 9:12 pm, Leendert wrote: Now I have some other questions: -Can I look for a driver for my monitor, or make a text document with the specs or something myself to add it to the list, and will this help? XFree86 Video Timing HOWTO It hasn't been updated in a year, now, and I don't think it's canon anymore. But it tells you how to hack the timings by hand. I used it, (but my problem was a video card not good enough for a picky monitor, so it didn't help. YM will probably V :-) Oh, and you're probably using XF86Config-4, not the one without the -4. But the HOWTO is too old to tell you that. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to edit video mode when in failsafe?
I tried 16 bit, also tried the super vga interlaced now, but still no result... I think I just download and try 9.1rc tomorrow, ok, it's a rc, beta, whatever, but maybe that one works :). Control+alt+backspace didn't work (maybe because that was not implemented in 8.2?) so I had to restart each time. I also found that HOWTO on the net, that is a little too complicated for me, but if 9.1 also won't work I'll try it for sure! On the other side, I need to buy a new monitor anyway, this one sucks... BTW what version of Xfree86 are running? How can I get the version number? Well look at the bright side: You're getting a crashcourse CML and probably a working windowmanager to top it off:o) At least I learn how to work with that command line system, will always come in handy, because I think unix based systems are going to be the future standard (windows sucks (sorry windows users) and apple already made it's newest OS on unix), and the basic commands also work in the terminal in MacOS X :-D -Leendert On 3/13/03 10:40 PM, H.J.Bathoorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you try lowering the color depth i.e to 16 bits? To stop the graphical interface anytime during test hit ctrl alt backspace simultaneously. That should return you to the CML pronto. Use your arrow keys (up and down) to scroll through the history of your commands, that way you won't have to constantly retype your them. I don't know your monitor but with older VGA monitors I had some succes by trying generic super vga interlaced The install runs on the BIOS framebuffer and actally Xfree should've configured that in your case. BTW what version of Xfree86 are running? Well look at the bright side: You're getting a crashcourse CML and probably a working windowmanager to top it off:o) Good luck, HarM On 3/13/03 11:33 PM, Richard Urwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: XFree86 Video Timing HOWTO It hasn't been updated in a year, now, and I don't think it's canon anymore. But it tells you how to hack the timings by hand. I used it, (but my problem was a video card not good enough for a picky monitor, so it didn't help. YM will probably V :-) Oh, and you're probably using XF86Config-4, not the one without the -4. But the HOWTO is too old to tell you that. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
