Re: [newbie] Linux w/ Win98SE
hey flux, why not use an ntfs partitions for the win system, you will be able to mount it read only noproblem in linux, and use a shared fat partition if you want to write stuff to a place that win can see, for all the problems that win is accused of having ntfs is definitely a more secure option than fat, just don't try to write to it in linux, getting back lilo is just a case of using your boot disk as mentioned elsewhere, if you didn't make one then something like tomsrtboot disk can be used to boot the machine, then you mount your linux parition somewhere, chroot into it and run lilo - at least that's what i've done in the past bascule On Thursday 31 Oct 2002 2:59 pm, Flux wrote: Okay, this definitely fits in the newbie catagory... I've been playing around with my dual-boot Win2k/ML9 install, when it finally got to me that I can't really interact with the Windows partition, due to the NT file system. So, I decided to downgrade the Windows install to Win98SE. Now, what makes this a newbie issue is that fact that I blindly deleted the first partition on the drive, which happened to have both the Win2k install and the boot loader redirectory, so now I can't boot into Windows (duh) NOR Linux! (I understand that's not entirely true, but for newbie purposes we'll presume that it is) So, in perfect newbie fashion, I decided to pop in my Compaq Evo N150 recovery disc and completely start ALL OVER AGAIN! But here's the question: If this recovery forced me to reformat the entire drive and make the whole thing one partition, how am I supposed to install Linux on it for a dual-boot? Maybe I should ask WHERE am I supposed to install Linux? Please help, because I'm sure to cause myself more pain hashing through it myself... -Lawrence -- Looking into Granny's eyes was like looking into a mirror. What you saw looking back at you was yourself, and there was no hiding place. (Maskerade) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Linux w/ Win98SE
Okay, this definitely fits in the newbie catagory... I've been playing around with my dual-boot Win2k/ML9 install, when it finally got to me that I can't really interact with the Windows partition, due to the NT file system. So, I decided to downgrade the Windows install to Win98SE. Now, what makes this a newbie issue is that fact that I blindly deleted the first partition on the drive, which happened to have both the Win2k install and the boot loader redirectory, so now I can't boot into Windows (duh) NOR Linux! (I understand that's not entirely true, but for newbie purposes we'll presume that it is) So, in perfect newbie fashion, I decided to pop in my Compaq Evo N150 recovery disc and completely start ALL OVER AGAIN! But here's the question: If this recovery forced me to reformat the entire drive and make the whole thing one partition, how am I supposed to install Linux on it for a dual-boot? Maybe I should ask WHERE am I supposed to install Linux? Please help, because I'm sure to cause myself more pain hashing through it myself... -Lawrence Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Linux w/ Win98SE
Lawrence, Either use your boot floppy and redo lilo, or your first CD and rescue your lilo. Tony. -Original Message- From: Flux [mailto:flux;duratechindustries.net] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 3:00 PM To: Linux Subject: [newbie] Linux w/ Win98SE Okay, this definitely fits in the newbie catagory... I've been playing around with my dual-boot Win2k/ML9 install, when it finally got to me that I can't really interact with the Windows partition, due to the NT file system. So, I decided to downgrade the Windows install to Win98SE. Now, what makes this a newbie issue is that fact that I blindly deleted the first partition on the drive, which happened to have both the Win2k install and the boot loader redirectory, so now I can't boot into Windows (duh) NOR Linux! (I understand that's not entirely true, but for newbie purposes we'll presume that it is) So, in perfect newbie fashion, I decided to pop in my Compaq Evo N150 recovery disc and completely start ALL OVER AGAIN! But here's the question: If this recovery forced me to reformat the entire drive and make the whole thing one partition, how am I supposed to install Linux on it for a dual-boot? Maybe I should ask WHERE am I supposed to install Linux? Please help, because I'm sure to cause myself more pain hashing through it myself... -Lawrence -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:David.Hamnett-Taylor;BCPSoftware.com immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Linux w/ Win98SE
Lawrence, Sorry just reread your email. The best way as I understand 98 formats the whole partition, is to install Linux and then make sure you leave some space for win98. Install it in the empty partition, then use you boot disk and reload lilo. Tony. -Original Message- From: Tony S. Sykes Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 3:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Linux w/ Win98SE Lawrence, Either use your boot floppy and redo lilo, or your first CD and rescue your lilo. Tony. -Original Message- From: Flux [mailto:flux;duratechindustries.net] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 3:00 PM To: Linux Subject: [newbie] Linux w/ Win98SE Okay, this definitely fits in the newbie catagory... I've been playing around with my dual-boot Win2k/ML9 install, when it finally got to me that I can't really interact with the Windows partition, due to the NT file system. So, I decided to downgrade the Windows install to Win98SE. Now, what makes this a newbie issue is that fact that I blindly deleted the first partition on the drive, which happened to have both the Win2k install and the boot loader redirectory, so now I can't boot into Windows (duh) NOR Linux! (I understand that's not entirely true, but for newbie purposes we'll presume that it is) So, in perfect newbie fashion, I decided to pop in my Compaq Evo N150 recovery disc and completely start ALL OVER AGAIN! But here's the question: If this recovery forced me to reformat the entire drive and make the whole thing one partition, how am I supposed to install Linux on it for a dual-boot? Maybe I should ask WHERE am I supposed to install Linux? Please help, because I'm sure to cause myself more pain hashing through it myself... -Lawrence -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:David.Hamnett-Taylor;BCPSoftware.com immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:David.Hamnett-Taylor;BCPSoftware.com immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux w/ Win98SE
Flux, My only comment on your predicument is that I can't see why you are downgrading to Win 98 SE? Did you have a problem with Win 2K that makes you want to go to a less robust and older version? Win 2K can be reloaded with a FAT32 partition instead of NTFS. As long as you own the 'better' version of Windows and it's not giving you any problems, I wouldn't load Win 98 SE just to get the FAT32 and sharing between the two O/S's. My take on this. Good luck in whatever you do. T - Original Message - From: Flux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:59 AM Subject: [newbie] Linux w/ Win98SE Okay, this definitely fits in the newbie catagory... I've been playing around with my dual-boot Win2k/ML9 install, when it finally got to me that I can't really interact with the Windows partition, due to the NT file system. So, I decided to downgrade the Windows install to Win98SE. Now, what makes this a newbie issue is that fact that I blindly deleted the first partition on the drive, which happened to have both the Win2k install and the boot loader redirectory, so now I can't boot into Windows (duh) NOR Linux! (I understand that's not entirely true, but for newbie purposes we'll presume that it is) So, in perfect newbie fashion, I decided to pop in my Compaq Evo N150 recovery disc and completely start ALL OVER AGAIN! But here's the question: If this recovery forced me to reformat the entire drive and make the whole thing one partition, how am I supposed to install Linux on it for a dual-boot? Maybe I should ask WHERE am I supposed to install Linux? Please help, because I'm sure to cause myself more pain hashing through it myself... -Lawrence Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Linux w/ Win98SE
I haven't done this lately, but I believe that when you originally installed W98 it asks you if you want to create a W98 boot floppy (in case you run into problems later, etc.). If you did that, you can boot from the floppy, then run fdisk to wipe the disk and create partitions before doing the install. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of Flux Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:00 AM To: Linux Subject: [newbie] Linux w/ Win98SE So, in perfect newbie fashion, I decided to pop in my Compaq Evo N150 recovery disc and completely start ALL OVER AGAIN! But here's the question: If this recovery forced me to reformat the entire drive and make the whole thing one partition, how am I supposed to install Linux on it for a dual-boot? Maybe I should ask WHERE am I supposed to install Linux? Please help, because I'm sure to cause myself more pain hashing through it myself... - Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Linux w/ Win98SE
I agree with this. I can't remember if the W2K install won't let you create a fat32 partition. If that's the case, you can still use the W98 boot floppy to create partitions with fdisk, then run W2K install. W2K (XP too) is happy to install onto fat32. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com]On Behalf Of Technoslick Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux w/ Win98SE My only comment on your predicument is that I can't see why you are downgrading to Win 98 SE? Did you have a problem with Win 2K that makes you want to go to a less robust and older version? Win 2K can be reloaded with a FAT32 partition instead of NTFS. As long as you own the 'better' version of Windows and it's not giving you any problems, I wouldn't load Win 98 SE just to get the FAT32 and sharing between the two O/S's. - Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux w/ Win98SE
*blinkblink* ^ That's me trying to figure out why I forgot about Win2k and Fat32. I actually intended to do just that, but somehow the notion left my mind. Well, looks like I'm starting over once again! Isn't this what tinkering is all about? HA! Thanks, Technoslick for that jog to the memory. -Lawrence 10/31/2002 9:18:41 AM, Technoslick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flux, My only comment on your predicument is that I can't see why you are downgrading to Win 98 SE? Did you have a problem with Win 2K that makes you want to go to a less robust and older version? Win 2K can be reloaded with a FAT32 partition instead of NTFS. As long as you own the 'better' version of Windows and it's not giving you any problems, I wouldn't load Win 98 SE just to get the FAT32 and sharing between the two O/S's. My take on this. Good luck in whatever you do. T - Original Message - From: Flux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:59 AM Subject: [newbie] Linux w/ Win98SE Okay, this definitely fits in the newbie catagory... I've been playing around with my dual-boot Win2k/ML9 install, when it finally got to me that I can't really interact with the Windows partition, due to the NT file system. So, I decided to downgrade the Windows install to Win98SE. Now, what makes this a newbie issue is that fact that I blindly deleted the first partition on the drive, which happened to have both the Win2k install and the boot loader redirectory, so now I can't boot into Windows (duh) NOR Linux! (I understand that's not entirely true, but for newbie purposes we'll presume that it is) So, in perfect newbie fashion, I decided to pop in my Compaq Evo N150 recovery disc and completely start ALL OVER AGAIN! But here's the question: If this recovery forced me to reformat the entire drive and make the whole thing one partition, how am I supposed to install Linux on it for a dual-boot? Maybe I should ask WHERE am I supposed to install Linux? Please help, because I'm sure to cause myself more pain hashing through it myself... -Lawrence Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux w/ Win98SE
Flux wrote: Okay, this definitely fits in the newbie catagory... I've been playing around with my dual-boot Win2k/ML9 install, when it finally got to me that I can't really interact with the Windows partition, due to the NT file system. So, I decided to downgrade the Windows install to Win98SE. Now, what makes this a newbie issue is that fact that I blindly deleted the first partition on the drive, which happened to have both the Win2k install and the boot loader redirectory, so now I can't boot into Windows (duh) NOR Linux! (I understand that's not entirely true, but for newbie purposes we'll presume that it is) So, in perfect newbie fashion, I decided to pop in my Compaq Evo N150 recovery disc and completely start ALL OVER AGAIN! But here's the question: If this recovery forced me to reformat the entire drive and make the whole thing one partition, how am I supposed to install Linux on it for a dual-boot? Maybe I should ask WHERE am I supposed to install Linux? Please help, because I'm sure to cause myself more pain hashing through it myself... -Lawrence So now you have a hard drive with mandrake on some partitions, but no windblows at all, and further more the windows partition is deleted, you didn't say how you deleted but couldn't that same device recreate that partition.then install windblows and then rerun mandrake CD1 to reinstall lilo, because by then you will have a windblows MBR to install lilo in. I don't think your position is impossible but obviously you have to recreate that missing partition without destroying existing mandrake partitions , I don't believe either of the Windblows OS's will format the whole drive if you tell it to just format the right partition, but obviously that partition has to be remade and designated a primary dos partition.It must of been the first partition on your drive, so it will get recreated with a bit of luck as a primary anyway. -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux w/ Win98SE
Glad that made sense to you. It's what I would have tried to do first. :-) I do have a question for you? My experiences in working with recovering/reinstalling from recovery disks has been mixed and without a lot of grief (read this as profanity at its best!) By any chance, have you ever tried to reload Win 2K from the CD 'without' invoking the automation gods that seem to want to do it their own way? T - Original Message - From: Flux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux w/ Win98SE *blinkblink* ^ That's me trying to figure out why I forgot about Win2k and Fat32. I actually intended to do just that, but somehow the notion left my mind. Well, looks like I'm starting over once again! Isn't this what tinkering is all about? HA! Thanks, Technoslick for that jog to the memory. -Lawrence 10/31/2002 9:18:41 AM, Technoslick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flux, My only comment on your predicument is that I can't see why you are downgrading to Win 98 SE? Did you have a problem with Win 2K that makes you want to go to a less robust and older version? Win 2K can be reloaded with a FAT32 partition instead of NTFS. As long as you own the 'better' version of Windows and it's not giving you any problems, I wouldn't load Win 98 SE just to get the FAT32 and sharing between the two O/S's. My take on this. Good luck in whatever you do. T - Original Message - From: Flux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:59 AM Subject: [newbie] Linux w/ Win98SE Okay, this definitely fits in the newbie catagory... I've been playing around with my dual-boot Win2k/ML9 install, when it finally got to me that I can't really interact with the Windows partition, due to the NT file system. So, I decided to downgrade the Windows install to Win98SE. Now, what makes this a newbie issue is that fact that I blindly deleted the first partition on the drive, which happened to have both the Win2k install and the boot loader redirectory, so now I can't boot into Windows (duh) NOR Linux! (I understand that's not entirely true, but for newbie purposes we'll presume that it is) So, in perfect newbie fashion, I decided to pop in my Compaq Evo N150 recovery disc and completely start ALL OVER AGAIN! But here's the question: If this recovery forced me to reformat the entire drive and make the whole thing one partition, how am I supposed to install Linux on it for a dual-boot? Maybe I should ask WHERE am I supposed to install Linux? Please help, because I'm sure to cause myself more pain hashing through it myself... -Lawrence --- - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Linux w/ Win98SE
At 10:38 AM 10/31/2002 -0500, you wrote: I agree with this. I can't remember if the W2K install won't let you create a fat32 partition. If that's the case, you can still use the W98 boot floppy to create partitions with fdisk, then run W2K install. W2K (XP too) is happy to install onto fat32. Win2k lets you choose NTFS or Fat32 on installation. Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
