Re: [newbie] OT optical mice
Paul M. Bucalo wrote: I'm using a low-price Logitech and Labtec for optical mice on both Windows and Linux systems in my office network. While I don't have any problems with a delay in Windows, I do have this problem in both Red Hat and Mandrake with both mice. The problem is the default resolution setting in Xserver can be too low (approx. 150 dpi) for the some brands of optical mice. Correct this by adding to XF86Config(-4) the last line under the mouse defining area, as illustrated below: Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse1 Driver mouse Option Protocol IMPS/2 Option Device /dev/usbmouse Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 Option Resolution 200; removes startup delay EndSection Remember that the higher the resultion the more sensitive it will be too movement. This setting is adequate for up to a 17 monitor. I might bump it up a bit for a light touch on larger monitors. Paul Paul, I have an optical mouse, My XF86Config(-4) doesn't have Option Resolution 200 in it at all, Does this mean that where the system doesn't find a resolution set here it adopts a default setting instead ? if so do you happen to know what it is ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT optical mice
On Thursday 23 October 2003 07:17 am, John Richard Smith graced me with: Paul, I have an optical mouse, My XF86Config(-4) doesn't have Option Resolution 200 in it at all, Does this mean that where the system doesn't find a resolution set here it adopts a default setting instead ? Yes. To my knowledge, you won't find this entry without manually putting it there. I've never seen any way to do so in Mandrake or Red Hat through a commonly used GUI. As you can see from previous posts, this doesn't bother all optical mice, just some brands and/or models. The problem exists for me, though, and especially during installation of Red Hat 8 or 9. It's a patience-breaker trying to manually pick out hundreds of apps and applets during the install process with a mouse that doesn't want to go where you point. At least Mandrake 9.1 will allow a standard mouse driver to load and get me through the installation before concerning myself with the proper one. Now that I know this I plan for it. if so do you happen to know what it is ? The research I did earlier this year lead me to believe it's around 150 dpi. The minimum threashhold seems to be 200 dpi for some optical mice, no doubt the cheaper models. You can use a higher number, but then sensitivity increases. The larger the monitor (and therefore assuming higher screen display resolutions), the greater the possibility that you might want to go higher than 200 dpi. For me, this is enough at 1024x768 on a 17 monitor. HTH, John. Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT optical mice
Paul M. Bucalo wrote: On Thursday 23 October 2003 07:17 am, John Richard Smith graced me with: Paul, I have an optical mouse, My XF86Config(-4) doesn't have Option Resolution 200 in it at all, Does this mean that where the system doesn't find a resolution set here it adopts a default setting instead ? Yes. To my knowledge, you won't find this entry without manually putting it there. I've never seen any way to do so in Mandrake or Red Hat through a commonly used GUI. As you can see from previous posts, this doesn't bother all optical mice, just some brands and/or models. The problem exists for me, though, and especially during installation of Red Hat 8 or 9. It's a patience-breaker trying to manually pick out hundreds of apps and applets during the install process with a mouse that doesn't want to go where you point. At least Mandrake 9.1 will allow a standard mouse driver to load and get me through the installation before concerning myself with the proper one. Now that I know this I plan for it. if so do you happen to know what it is ? The research I did earlier this year lead me to believe it's around 150 dpi. The minimum threashhold seems to be 200 dpi for some optical mice, no doubt the cheaper models. You can use a higher number, but then sensitivity increases. The larger the monitor (and therefore assuming higher screen display resolutions), the greater the possibility that you might want to go higher than 200 dpi. For me, this is enough at 1024x768 on a 17 monitor. HTH, John. Paul Thankyou Paul, that has saved me hours of looking someday, although I don't have a problem right now, it's nice to have a handy little note to tell me where to look when I do. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT optical mice
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:57, Paul M. Bucalo wrote: I'm using a low-price Logitech and Labtec for optical mice on both Windows and Linux systems in my office network. While I don't have any problems with a delay in Windows, I do have this problem in both Red Hat and Mandrake with both mice. The problem is the default resolution setting in Xserver can be too low (approx. 150 dpi) for the some brands of optical mice. Correct this by adding to XF86Config(-4) the last line under the mouse defining area, as illustrated below: snip Thanks for that info Paul. Will keep this in mind when I install the mouse. Cheers Sharrea -- Help Microsoft stamp out piracy - give Linux to a friend today Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] OT optical mice
Recently I used a friend's optical mouse while fixing their PC. As I'd never used an optical mouse before, I was not impressed with it in either Windows or Linux. In both OS there was a noticeable delay before the cursor actually moved (and it was not a slow system). Just curious as to whether all optical mice are like that because I'm looking for a cordless mouse for another friend and have noticed that there are more mice to choose from in the optical range. So can anyone tell me if your optical mouse causes a delay before the cursor moves? TIA. Sharrea -- Help Microsoft stamp out piracy - give Linux to a friend today Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] OT optical mice
Mine does not, it is a Kingston one, can't remember which model. It works fine I just have a problem with the placement with the side buttons as sometimes unintentionally I press on while trying to move the mouse (killer in some games). Tony. -Original Message- From: Sharrea Day [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 3:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] OT optical mice Recently I used a friend's optical mouse while fixing their PC. As I'd never used an optical mouse before, I was not impressed with it in either Windows or Linux. In both OS there was a noticeable delay before the cursor actually moved (and it was not a slow system). Just curious as to whether all optical mice are like that because I'm looking for a cordless mouse for another friend and have noticed that there are more mice to choose from in the optical range. So can anyone tell me if your optical mouse causes a delay before the cursor moves? TIA. Sharrea -- Help Microsoft stamp out piracy - give Linux to a friend today -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT optical mice
Sharrea Day wrote: Recently I used a friend's optical mouse while fixing their PC. As I'd never used an optical mouse before, I was not impressed with it in either Windows or Linux. In both OS there was a noticeable delay before the cursor actually moved (and it was not a slow system). Just curious as to whether all optical mice are like that because I'm looking for a cordless mouse for another friend and have noticed that there are more mice to choose from in the optical range. So can anyone tell me if your optical mouse causes a delay before the cursor moves? TIA. Sharrea I have a Packard bell optical mouse which can be either ps2 or usb and mine works well in mandrake on ps2 setting. I don't think there is any reason why opticals should not work just as well as the old types. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT optical mice
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 03:30:50 +1300 Sharrea Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Recently I used a friend's optical mouse while fixing their PC. As I'd never used an optical mouse before, I was not impressed with it in either Windows or Linux. In both OS there was a noticeable delay before the cursor actually moved (and it was not a slow system). Just curious as to whether all optical mice are like that because I'm looking for a cordless mouse for another friend and have noticed that there are more mice to choose from in the optical range. So can anyone tell me if your optical mouse causes a delay before the cursor moves? TIA. I use a Microsoft Intellimouse Optical, and I would never go back to balls (insert crude joke here). No sign of any delay, very responsive and smoooth as...well, something very smooth. If this friend was seeing problems with an optical mouse, most likely cause is an inappropriate surface, esp something reflective. It needs to be on a matte surface (God, NO! not cloth, never ever use a fabric/cloth/whatever mousepad, it picks up dirt and oil from your hands and it's disgusting...)...sorry, bit of a sticky point with me, that one. Cordless, I'm not sure about, but make sure you don't have any interference nearby, like a cellphone, radio, large block of Plutonium, etc. -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ A priest advised Voltaire on his death bed to renounce the devil. Replied Voltaire, This is no time to make new enemies. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT optical mice
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 10:30 am, Sharrea Day wrote: Recently I used a friend's optical mouse while fixing their PC. As I'd never used an optical mouse before, I was not impressed with it in either Windows or Linux. In both OS there was a noticeable delay before the cursor actually moved (and it was not a slow system). Just curious as to whether all optical mice are like that because I'm looking for a cordless mouse for another friend and have noticed that there are more mice to choose from in the optical range. So can anyone tell me if your optical mouse causes a delay before the cursor moves? TIA. Sharrea Absolutely not - I've got a Logitech optical mouse on all 3 comps here and all are fast and smooth. Superglide is the phrase that comes to mind. :-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT optical mice
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:46:46 -0400 Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Superglide Isn't that...? Never mind. -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ It is not doing the thing we like to do, but liking the thing we have to do, that makes life blessed. -- Goethe Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT optical mice
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 04:06, HaywireMac wrote: I use a Microsoft Intellimouse Optical, and I would never go back to balls (insert crude joke here). Me neither... besides its not so bad being a chick ;) No sign of any delay, very responsive and smoooth as...well, something very smooth. If this friend was seeing problems with an optical mouse, most likely cause is an inappropriate surface, esp something reflective. It needs to be on a matte surface (God, NO! not cloth, never ever use a fabric/cloth/whatever mousepad, it picks up dirt and oil from your hands and it's disgusting...)...sorry, bit of a sticky point with me, that one. Cordless, I'm not sure about, but make sure you don't have any interference nearby, like a cellphone, radio, large block of Plutonium, etc. Many thanks to all who replied. And with good news too! Glad to hear they're not all like the one I tried. Now I'm starting to wonder if I did indeed use a shiny surface... ummm... most likely I did. Duh! Oh well, that settles it then: a cordless optical mouse. Cheers Sharrea -- Help Microsoft stamp out piracy - give Linux to a friend today Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT optical mice
On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 08:46, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Wednesday 22 October 2003 10:30 am, Sharrea Day wrote: Recently I used a friend's optical mouse while fixing their PC. As I'd never used an optical mouse before, I was not impressed with it in either Windows or Linux. In both OS there was a noticeable delay before the cursor actually moved (and it was not a slow system). Just curious as to whether all optical mice are like that because I'm looking for a cordless mouse for another friend and have noticed that there are more mice to choose from in the optical range. So can anyone tell me if your optical mouse causes a delay before the cursor moves? TIA. Sharrea Absolutely not - I've got a Logitech optical mouse on all 3 comps here and all are fast and smooth. Superglide is the phrase that comes to mind. :-) Does that mean you stop and tighten all the nuts and bolts every hundred miles? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT optical mice
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 12:50:59PM -0400, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Wednesday 22 October 2003 11:53 am, HaywireMac wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:46:46 -0400 Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Superglide Isn't that...? Never mind. Yeah... :-) Or Astro... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT optical mice
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 03:30:50 +1300 Sharrea Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I used a friend's optical mouse while fixing their PC. As I'd never used an optical mouse before, I was not impressed with it in either Windows or Linux. In both OS there was a noticeable delay before the cursor actually moved (and it was not a slow system). Just curious as to whether all optical mice are like that because I'm looking for a cordless mouse for another friend and have noticed that there are more mice to choose from in the optical range. So can anyone tell me if your optical mouse causes a delay before the cursor moves? TIA. Sharrea -- Help Microsoft stamp out piracy - give Linux to a friend today ironically ? I use an M$ opty mouse. Works fine cept the xtra buttons don't work in linux. which sucks. sigh Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT optical mice
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 03:30:50 +1300 Sharrea Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So can anyone tell me if your optical mouse causes a delay before the cursor moves? TIA. My logitech optical mouse (usb with ps/2 adapter) works great Jerry. -- _||_ Registered linux user #300600 (o_ Registered linux machine # 185855 //\at V_/_ http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT optical mice
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 10:30 am, Sharrea Day graced me with: Recently I used a friend's optical mouse while fixing their PC. As I'd never used an optical mouse before, I was not impressed with it in either Windows or Linux. In both OS there was a noticeable delay before the cursor actually moved (and it was not a slow system). Just curious as to whether all optical mice are like that because I'm looking for a cordless mouse for another friend and have noticed that there are more mice to choose from in the optical range. So can anyone tell me if your optical mouse causes a delay before the cursor moves? TIA. Sharrea I'm using a low-price Logitech and Labtec for optical mice on both Windows and Linux systems in my office network. While I don't have any problems with a delay in Windows, I do have this problem in both Red Hat and Mandrake with both mice. The problem is the default resolution setting in Xserver can be too low (approx. 150 dpi) for the some brands of optical mice. Correct this by adding to XF86Config(-4) the last line under the mouse defining area, as illustrated below: Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse1 Driver mouse Option Protocol IMPS/2 Option Device /dev/usbmouse Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 Option Resolution 200 ; removes startup delay EndSection Remember that the higher the resultion the more sensitive it will be too movement. This setting is adequate for up to a 17 monitor. I might bump it up a bit for a light touch on larger monitors. I realize that you were asking in order to justify purchasing one for yourself, but as long as your friend is experiencing this problem, why not help him or her out by making the needed modification? You put a smile on his or her face and look like a hero. :0) Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
