Re: [newbie] Re: WineX -- Update!
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 10:52, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Snipples nipples Well...Femme, I use Speedisk every week. I've been using Norton Utilities since 1989; AAMOF I think I still have the NU version 4.5 install disks somewhere around here. I agree that the good old days are gone...but so far I've been pretty OK with the flexibility of this incarnation of SD. At least the Norton 2000 Edition, anyway. I've stayed away from upgrades because of the dumb-down trend I've seen in winblows software. NU 2000 is probably the end of the road for me. I also use Windoctor to go over the registry and get rid of the ActiveX registry errors every time I do a new 98 install..which there are about 20 of them on every from-scratch install. It all comes together in a package with Norton Utilities, the same NU version that I've been using since year 2000. Haven't seen a problem; but I'm sure that there may be better stuff out there. BTW, if anybody has access to the Norton Utilities version 7 or version 8 install disks, I'd be willing to work out a deal. I've got Dos 7.10 systems I want to keep around, and I can't find older versions of NU around anymore. LX Thx LX. I meant I guess that my own some friends experience with it was pretty horrid. It fubared my OS more than once. :( NortonDeprivedFemme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: WineX -- Update!
On Wednesday 27 August 2003 02:05 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: whack Well, if everything goes fine from now on, I guess this thread is dead. If not, you certainly will. And : sorry for my language, I'm a little pissed off right now what with all this M$ lunacy. Kaj Haulrich. Kaj: Wait a while. You'll be way more than a little pissed off. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: WineX -- Update!
On Wednesday 27 August 2003 04:31 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Will it violate your warranty to go inside the machine? LX Yes, I think so. But I don't think that warranty is worth more than the paper it is written on anyway. So I don't care. I've opened and tinkered with boxes before, so why worry. Besides, in the manual for the box there is a *howto* about adding another drive, so maybe HP is better than most. And thanks a lot for your kind reply on my rotten day, Lyvim. Bill Gates and his crappy OS drove me nuts. I'm in a better mood now, what with Mozart tickling my ears. Kaj Haulrich. -- Registered Linux user # 214073 at http://counter.li.org Powered by Linux - Mandrake 9.1 kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdk Sent to you from a 100 % Micro$oft-free computer. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: WineX -- Update!
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 14:56, Kaj Haulrich wrote: snerp Femme Thanks Femme, but somehow I feel disgust by having MicroSCOft to live in the same *house* as Linux. Kinda having Osama in your closet. Anyway - she has her own account on my CLEAN Linux box now and can use it when things get serious. Kaj Haulrich. OK was just a thought. Femminux Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: WineX -- Update!
On Tuesday 26 August 2003 12:15 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote: yada, yada, yada She want me to install Linux alongside this crap as a dual boot system, but I'm afraid it won't survive repartitioning etc And I don't want to spend more dough on the box like buying Partition Magic and whatnot to make it look like a real PC. Now at least she can use Open Office for writing, and Mozilla for browsing and mail. Good heavens, what an experience (hence the XP brand ?) Kaj Haulrich. Kaj: Tsk, tsk. What kind of a father would send his daughter off to college deprived of Linux? Set up the dual boot for the child. The easiest way is to stick another HD in the box dedicated to Mandrake. (No repartitioning necessary). If that is not practical, then go the repartitioning route. I understand that a freeware/shareware partition manipulator called Ranish Partition Manager (www.ranish.com/) works quite well. Come to think of it, I've never heard of any problems with Mandrake's repartitioning tool (DiskDrake?) either. Ooops, you didn't mention an anti-virus program. Or is that included in the Norton package? -- cmg (who is grateful that his offspring finished college when CP/M was still in flower) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: WineX -- Update!
As Femme and Carroll suggested, I intend to throw in an additional harddisk. My daughters PC came with this *OS* (WinXP) preinstalled, and although there is plenty of room on the hda I can't get the damned thing (XP) to moderate itself. I tried this *defragging* exercise twice, but it seems unable to move a certain chunk of files from the end of the partition (*C:*) = hda1 to join the other files at the beginning of the partition. Furthermore, there's yet a partition (*D*) =hda2. Funny thing is, hda1 is NTFS and hda2 is FAT32 (???). Under these circumstances I don't dare a repartitioning from Mandrake. Now, one could argue : what's the risk - I could always reinstall this XP toy ? - The answer is : maybe. You see, the box came without installation CD's (!). I had to burn 6 CD's to make something they call a *rescue* option. The crap only allows me to do this once, so I have no chance of knowing if the CD's are capable of reinstalling the @%@. So, I'll let Mandrake reside on hdb and take over the boot process. I suppose it's a nobrainer, even with this XP crap ? And to Carroll : I'm in no way a father who will send his daughter off to college deprived of Linux. So much so, that she herself - grown up with Linux - insists on a Linux box, calling this XP [EMAIL PROTECTED] a bad joke. She already knows way more about computers than the joined staff of boys in her class. So my fatherly pride is unhurt, even if she has to live with a contaminated PC. Thanks a lot for good advice, all ! Kaj Haulrich. -- Registered Linux user # 214073 at http://counter.li.org Powered by Linux - Mandrake 9.1 kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdk Sent to you from a 100 % Micro$oft-free computer. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: WineX -- Update!
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 13:40, Kaj Haulrich wrote: As Femme and Carroll suggested, I intend to throw in an additional harddisk. My daughters PC came with this *OS* (WinXP) preinstalled, and although there is plenty of room on the hda I can't get the damned thing (XP) to moderate itself. I tried this *defragging* exercise twice, but it seems unable to move a certain chunk of files from the end of the partition (*C:*) = hda1 to join the other files at the beginning of the partition. Furthermore, there's yet a partition (*D*) =hda2. Funny thing is, hda1 is NTFS and hda2 is FAT32 (???). Under these circumstances I don't dare a repartitioning from Mandrake. Exactly, and that is the whole point of their defragger; to keep you from having the flexibility to move stuff totally to the other end of the drive. M$ is aware that Linux distro's have methods available to do this sort of thing and they have counterattacked with their built in defragger, making it braindead and also forcing it to put stuff at both ends of the drive. This of course makes it impossible for you to divvy the drive up, which was their whole plan to begin with. In order to get around this, you should install a third party defragger like Norton Utilities Speed Disk or something similar. Speed Disk does allow you to put everything at one end of the drive. I guess I lost track...did you try Win4Lin? Now, one could argue : what's the risk - I could always reinstall this XP toy ? - The answer is : maybe. You see, the box came without installation CD's (!). I had to burn 6 CD's to make something they call a *rescue* option. The crap only allows me to do this once, so I have no chance of knowing if the CD's are capable of reinstalling the @£%@. I've got some more good news. Even if you had the bona fide installation CD, you would then have to create some XP boot disks from them. And before you could use the boot disks, you would have to have the drive formatted with a previous version of Winblows...namely 98, in my case. If I remember correctly I think I was able to create a Dos 7.10 partition, formatted it, and then the XP boot disks accepted that. So had you tried Win4Lin? ;) So, I'll let Mandrake reside on hdb and take over the boot process. I suppose it's a nobrainer, even with this XP crap ? And to Carroll : I'm in no way a father who will send his daughter off to college deprived of Linux. So much so, that she herself - grown up with Linux - insists on a Linux box, calling this XP [EMAIL PROTECTED] a bad joke. She already knows way more about computers than the joined staff of boys in her class. So my fatherly pride is unhurt, even if she has to live with a contaminated PC. Thanks a lot for good advice, all ! Kaj Haulrich. I'd like to hear more on this saga. :) LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: WineX -- Update!
Hi All. I had this problem with XP,it's caused by XP producing/seeing non-existent files,The only way I could dual-boot was to shink the drive with PM8,and then install Mandrake to free space. I have no idea if this will work for you,due to your daughter have a pre-installed version of XP,and the makers now put the restore points on hidden partions(which may be distoryed in the process of shinking the drive). The saftest method will to put a 2nd drive(but will this invaladate any warrities you have?)I you look in the arkives from a few months ago,you will see the sad sorry story. Drew Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: WineX -- Update!
On Wednesday 27 August 2003 03:53 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: So had you tried Win4Lin? ;) Nope, Lyvim. It told me that I had to own a copy of something called Windows 9.x in order to let it work. I don't have such a thing anymore, because my daughters - years ago - used those CD's for rifle practice. They make excellent targets on 200 meters. I'd like to hear more on this saga. :) LX Well, if everything goes fine from now on, I guess this thread is dead. If not, you certainly will. And : sorry for my language, I'm a little pissed off right now what with all this M$ lunacy. Kaj Haulrich. -- Registered Linux user # 214073 at http://counter.li.org Powered by Linux - Mandrake 9.1 kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdk Sent to you from a 100 % Micro$oft-free computer. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: WineX -- Update!
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 11:58, DrewMartin wrote: Hi All. I had this problem with XP,it's caused by XP producing/seeing non-existent files,The only way I could dual-boot was to shink the drive with PM8,and then install Mandrake to free space. I have no idea if this will work for you,due to your daughter have a pre-installed version of XP,and the makers now put the restore points on hidden partions(which may be distoryed in the process of shinking the drive). The saftest method will to put a 2nd drive(but will this invaladate any warrities you have?)I you look in the arkives from a few months ago,you will see the sad sorry story. Drew Kaj could avoid breaking the warranty if he used a third party defragger. I just happen to have one, btw. :) LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: WineX -- Update!
On Wednesday 27 August 2003 04:05 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 11:58, DrewMartin wrote: The saftest method will to put a 2nd drive(but will this invaladate any warrities you have?)I you look in the arkives from a few months ago,you will see the sad sorry story. Drew Kaj could avoid breaking the warranty if he used a third party defragger. I just happen to have one, btw. :) LX OK, thanks again. It is a constant joy to be on this list. I think I'll buy a 80 GB Seagate or Maxtor, put Mandrake upon it and start doing some useful things instead of messing around with this XP - is that Xtraordinaire Polluted ? Kaj Haulrich. -- Registered Linux user # 214073 at http://counter.li.org Powered by Linux - Mandrake 9.1 kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdk Sent to you from a 100 % Micro$oft-free computer. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: WineX -- Update!
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 09:53, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Snicker In order to get around this, you should install a third party defragger like Norton Utilities Speed Disk or something similar. Speed Disk does allow you to put everything at one end of the drive. snack! I'd like to hear more on this saga. :) LX DO NOT use speeddisk! It was a good utility in its day but now it just sucks... Use Executive softwares defragger (see my other post in this thread) it will do the stuff Nortons speeddisk does but better faster. WinFemme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: WineX -- Update!
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 12:21, Heather/Femme wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 09:53, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Snicker In order to get around this, you should install a third party defragger like Norton Utilities Speed Disk or something similar. Speed Disk does allow you to put everything at one end of the drive. snack! I'd like to hear more on this saga. :) LX DO NOT use speeddisk! It was a good utility in its day but now it just sucks... Use Executive softwares defragger (see my other post in this thread) it will do the stuff Nortons speeddisk does but better faster. WinFemme Well...Femme, I use Speedisk every week. I've been using Norton Utilities since 1989; AAMOF I think I still have the NU version 4.5 install disks somewhere around here. I agree that the good old days are gone...but so far I've been pretty OK with the flexibility of this incarnation of SD. At least the Norton 2000 Edition, anyway. I've stayed away from upgrades because of the dumb-down trend I've seen in winblows software. NU 2000 is probably the end of the road for me. I also use Windoctor to go over the registry and get rid of the ActiveX registry errors every time I do a new 98 install..which there are about 20 of them on every from-scratch install. It all comes together in a package with Norton Utilities, the same NU version that I've been using since year 2000. Haven't seen a problem; but I'm sure that there may be better stuff out there. BTW, if anybody has access to the Norton Utilities version 7 or version 8 install disks, I'd be willing to work out a deal. I've got Dos 7.10 systems I want to keep around, and I can't find older versions of NU around anymore. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Re: WineX -- Update!
On Tuesday 26 August 2003 12:37 pm, HaywireMac wrote: On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:56:44 + Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Thanks a lot, Joe - I really appreciate your effort. Like you said, I would consider it a defeat to use Windows. I only hope you'll enjoy the research. I too tried to read the man pages for wine, but it's way over my head. Win4Lin may be an option, but it requires me to have a Windows CD and change my kernel, which I don't like. Please don't waste a lot of time on this, Joe. After all it isn't the end of the world. Okay, just in case you have not gone the Windows install route, I found something that has a chance of solving your dillemma (sp?). I snagged a copy of Crossover. So far it runs Office and Photoshop, should I test Derive, or is it too late? Thank you very much, Joe. But I gave up after my daughter told me that in order to use her college's web-based filesharing system she needed yet another set of windoze apps. So I purchased a new HP with Winsux XP on it. Gosh, what a POS ! . She is root all the time, need to update Winsucks every day as well as something called Norton Firewall. But no chance of seeing what's going on underneath the hood. I tried to configure it to her liking, making it look familiar to her linux, installed Open Office, Mozilla, created 5 backups of the system on CD, defragged the whole caboodle twice. Tried to uninstall MS Internet Exploder and Outfool Excrete, which I couldn't. The damned thing crashed three times during the session. Now it works - to a certain extent - but she claims that she feels like a baby, confronted with this amateurish OS. She want me to install Linux alongside this crap as a dual boot system, but I'm afraid it won't survive repartitioning etc And I don't want to spend more dough on the box like buying Partition Magic and whatnot to make it look like a real PC. Now at least she can use Open Office for writing, and Mozilla for browsing and mail. Good heavens, what an experience (hence the XP brand ?) Kaj Haulrich. -- Registered Linux user # 214073 at http://counter.li.org Powered by Linux - Mandrake 9.1 kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdk Sent to you from a 100 % Micro$oft-free computer. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: WineX -- Update!
On Tuesday 26 August 2003 06:30 pm, Heather/Femme wrote: On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:15, Kaj Haulrich wrote: snarffle Thank you very much, Joe. snipple . She want me to install Linux alongside this crap as a dual boot system, but I'm afraid it won't survive repartitioning etc And I don't want to spend more dough on the box like buying Partition Magic and whatnot to make it look like a real PC. Now at least she can use Open Office for writing, and Mozilla for browsing and mail. Good heavens, what an experience (hence the XP brand ?) Kaj Haulrich. if you want PM holler. I have 3 copies... mostly legal. (don't ask..long story). heh anyway... glad it worked out XP isn't too bad once you get used to it. Its better than most of the other windows I've used. Femme Thanks Femme, but somehow I feel disgust by having MicroSCOft to live in the same *house* as Linux. Kinda having Osama in your closet. Anyway - she has her own account on my CLEAN Linux box now and can use it when things get serious. Kaj Haulrich. -- Registered Linux user # 214073 at http://counter.li.org Powered by Linux - Mandrake 9.1 kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdk Sent to you from a 100 % Micro$oft-free computer. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
