RE: [newbie] Searching 101
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robert Wideman Sent: Friday, 7 February 2003 20:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Searching 101 Top 10 what? HOWTO sites for linux? I just sent a hefty email under the same thread that has like 50 of them in it. Rob G'day Rob, yes, I got it - thanks a lot. There seems to be some lag between me sending and the list getting messages, partly caused by my lack of even a phone line here, never mind a dialup or DSL like I'm used to; I'm reduced to doing a daily run to a net cafe with this thinkpad to download/upload. Then there's the confirm process I have to do from the sympa@... sometimes - I haven't worked out why it only asks me sometimes yet. -- Merlin Zener piano and synthesizer Pattaya, Thailand. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/2003 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Searching 101
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of FemmeFatale Sent: Wednesday, 5 February 2003 06:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Searching 101 [...snip] If you wish I can send you some URL's I've found in the last year or so that assume NO Prior knowledge. :) Thanks a lot, Heather. Yes I'd appreciate that a lot; I'll download them and stick them on my palm pilot, read snippets every chance I get. On the bus to Panthip*, for example:) As it happens, I've got a followup question, but I'll start it in a new thread. Thanks again go to all who replied and didn't bite my head off. *ppl who've been to Bangkok will know why the smiley... -- Merlin Zener piano and synthesizer Pattaya, Thailand. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/2003 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Searching 101
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robert Wideman Sent: Wednesday, 5 February 2003 18:10 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Searching 101 If you wish I can send you some URL's I've found in the last year or so that assume NO Prior knowledge. :) Heck i have like 200 of these bookmarks if you want. Just ask and ye shall recieve. errr, how about a top ten? :)) -- Merlin Zener piano and synthesizer Pattaya, Thailand. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/2003 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Searching 101
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Marc Oestreicher Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2003 13:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Searching 101 [...snip] It may be a bit late at this point but Mandrake has a Excellent tutorial for installation on the Mandrake website go to the mandrake home page and you should find a link for demos and or tutorials. Thanks for the reply, Marc. FWIW I went to the Mandrake site and in the tutorials section there are only two - one on KDE, the other on Gnome. Maybe you have to pay to see the rest of the site?? -- Merlin Zener piano and synthesizer Pattaya, Thailand. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/2003 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Searching 101
Top 10 what? HOWTO sites for linux? I just sent a hefty email under the same thread that has like 50 of them in it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 7:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Searching 101 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robert Wideman Sent: Wednesday, 5 February 2003 18:10 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Searching 101 If you wish I can send you some URL's I've found in the last year or so that assume NO Prior knowledge. :) Heck i have like 200 of these bookmarks if you want. Just ask and ye shall recieve. errr, how about a top ten? :)) -- Merlin Zener piano and synthesizer Pattaya, Thailand. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/2003 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Searching 101
On Friday 07 February 2003 08:11 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Marc Oestreicher Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2003 13:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Searching 101 [...snip] It may be a bit late at this point but Mandrake has a Excellent tutorial for installation on the Mandrake website go to the mandrake home page and you should find a link for demos and or tutorials. Thanks for the reply, Marc. FWIW I went to the Mandrake site and in the tutorials section there are only two - one on KDE, the other on Gnome. Maybe you have to pay to see the rest of the site?? http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/fdoc.php3 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Searching 101
At 03:28 PM 2/5/2003 -0600, you wrote: I'll post later today or tommorow. I'll divide them into categories for you boys girls here on the list. If the list is interested that is... Any yeas or nays? Or should I just email them offlist? - FemmeFatale On list or pvt email whatever I would like to see these links for newbies and would like to pass them around at our local LUG thursday night. Thanks Marc If the links are dead (I'll check them all as best I can) or unreadable pls email me or post to the list. I'm using Mozilla 1.x from Windows atm. Mostly cause I'm going to game after this and i'm lazy... so I didn't boot to linux. :) Links as promised Mandrake Specific http://www.trylinuxsd.com/ http://plf.zarb.org/%7Enanardon/urpmiweb.php http://www.atechsol.net/kde3.html (KDE 3.0 for LM 8.2, somewhat out of date but still useful) Distro Independant --- http://linuxlinks.propagation.net/Beginners/ (Web site listing links for other Newbie websites/self-help sites for Linux) :) http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/ http://linux.org.mt/article/terminal http://maththinking.com/boat/languageBooksIndex.html (this one may NOT be newbie specific but it contains lots of books good for all levels IMO) http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/ (newb/intermediate) http://www.linuxdot.org/nlm/ (quite up to date info for all Newbies) http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz (Newby/Intermediate level. Hard to say really, use at your own risk?) http://www.netspace.net.au/~gok/power2bash/ (somewhat spartan text but some good links here too) http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/doc/82/en/ref.html/ts-system-freeze.html (most useful page for Newbies who fubar their systems) http://dsl.org/cookbook/cookbook_4.html#SEC36 (fairly plain english type of site covers a lot of ground) http://www.linuxgames.com/ (Gaming How-To's Some demos for linux) http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue14/bashtip.html (BASH specific page. Linux Gazette has other stuff too though) Well thats all I have for now. If I come across more I'll post it when possible. I would have had more but my files got fubared some time ago I lost probably another 20 bookmarks. HTH - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Searching 101
On Thursday 06 Feb 2003 1:07 am, Todd Slater wrote: On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 17:08:00 -0700 FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:26 PM 2/4/2003 -0500, you wrote: Heh anyway, email me on or offlist. I'll give you some useful sites to prowl. And if you feel overwhelmed feel free to email me pvtly. I'll be happy to help anyway I can luv. Yours sincerely, Heather/Femme I'll post later today or tommorow. I'll divide them into categories for you boys girls here on the list. If the list is interested that is... Any yeas or nays? Or should I just email them offlist? Sendem to the list, please :) Todd Seconded Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Searching 101
Thirded! Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 2/6/2003 at 10:29 AM Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 06 Feb 2003 1:07 am, Todd Slater wrote: On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 17:08:00 -0700 FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:26 PM 2/4/2003 -0500, you wrote: Heh anyway, email me on or offlist. I'll give you some useful sites to prowl. And if you feel overwhelmed feel free to email me pvtly. I'll be happy to help anyway I can luv. Yours sincerely, Heather/Femme I'll post later today or tommorow. I'll divide them into categories for you boys girls here on the list. If the list is interested that is... Any yeas or nays? Or should I just email them offlist? Sendem to the list, please :) Todd Seconded Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Dan LaBine President Maximum Lans [EMAIL PROTECTED] (514) 489-7825 6915 Fielding Ave. Suite # 228 Montreal, Quebec, H4V 1P4 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Searching 101
On Thursday 06 February 2003 08:22 am, Robert Wideman wrote: Hope this helps somewhat. Rob Rob: A very nice list. 22.7KB well spent IMHO. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Searching 101
Golly!!! On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 07:22:49 -0600, Robert Wideman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hope this helps somewhat. Rob Boot Disks The Linux Disk Editor http://lde.sourceforge.net/ Making Bootable Linux CDs http://www.geocities.com/potato.geo/bootlinuxcd.html BBLCD Toolkit http://www.bablokb.de/bblcd Timo's Rescue Cd Set - Ver. 0.9 http://rescuecd.sourceforge.net/ tomsrtbt http://www.toms.net/rb/ Trinux A Linux Security Toolkit http://trinux.sourceforge.net FreeBSD Bsd.org http://www.bsd.org BSDi http://www.bsdi.com/ Comprehensive Guide to FreeBSD--online book http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ D E F C O N 1 . O R G http://www.defcon1.org/ FreeBSD Cheat Sheets http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd/ FreeBSD Hypertext Man Pages ipfw http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ipfwamp;apropos=0amp;sektion=0am p;manpath=FreeBSD+4.0-RELEASE%2FPortsamp;format=html FreeBSD Hypertext Man Pages tcpdump http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=tcpdumpamp;apropos=0amp;sektion=0 amp;manpath=FreeBSD+4.2-RELEASEamp;format=html FreeBSD Online Books http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/ SCSI Iomega ZIP drives under FreeBSD http://www.vmunix.com/mark/FreeBSD/ZIP-FAQ.html Setting up a DHCP Client on FreeBSD http://freebsd.simplenet.com/dhcp.html The FreeBSD 'zine Home http://www.freebsdzine.org/ The FreeBSD Diary http://www.freebsddiary.org/ OpenBSD OpenBSD Home Page http://www.openbsd.org/ IPF Mailing List Archive http://www.false.net/ipfilter/ OpenBSD Packet Filter http://www.benzedrine.cx/pf.html IP Filter - TCP-IP Firewall-NAT Software http://coombs.anu.edu.au/ipfilter/ MUSESS '02 OpenBSD Secure The System http://www.openbsd.org/slides/musess_2002/index.html The OpenBSD Packet Filter HOWTO http://www.inebriated.demon.nl/pf-howto/html/ DVD-ISO's How to make your own RedHat 8.0 DVD from the CD ISO images https://listman.redhat.com/pipermail/psyche-list/2002-October/000323.html DVD ripping and transcoding with Linux http://www.bunkus.org/dvdripping4linux/ Desktop Mandrake - DVD DivX On Linux http://www.geocities.com/desktopmandrake/xine.htm Linux Media-DVD Ripping http://dvdripping-guid.berlios.de/ DVD ripping and transcoding with Linux http://www.bunkus.org/dvdripping4linux/ DVD Ripping for Linux http://diablonetwork.net/dvd.html Welcome to trylinuxSD.com http://www.trylinuxsd.com/ Kernel Info The User-mode Linux Kernel Home Page http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/ Welcome to KernelHQ http://www.kernelhq.org/ KernelTrap http://kerneltrap.org/ developerWorks : Linux : Education : Tutorials - Introduction to User-Mode Linux http://www-105.ibm.com/developerworks/education.nsf/linux-onlinecourse-bytit le/7E31B64596CDAAFB86256CB7004E9978?openca=dgr-lnxw06UserMode chkrootkit -- locally checks for signs of a rootkit http://www.chkrootkit.org/ The Linux Virtual Server Project - Linux Server Cluster http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ Ultra Monkey http://www.ultramonkey.org/2.0.0/ LinuxKernelConf http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Ezippel/lc/ Anticipatory Scheduling solves Deceptive Idleness http://www.cs.rice.edu/%7Essiyer/r/antsched/ Mel: Linux VM Project http://www.csn.ul.ie/%7Emel/projects/vm/ Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) to IP http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3168.txt ECN-under-Linux Unofficial Vendor Support Page http://gtf.org/garzik/ecn/ 802.1Q VLAN implementation for Linux http://www.candelatech.com/%7Egreear/vlan.html Abe's Linux Encrypted File System Howto http://207.115.67.41/crypto/ Linux 2.4 Advanced Routing Traffic Control HOWTO http://www.ds9a.nl/2.4Routing/ Linux Networking HOWTO http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Net-HOWTO/index.html The Linux Kernel HOWTO http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/LDP/HOWTO/Kernel-HOWTO.html Linux Advanced Routing Traffic Control HOWTO http://lartc.org/#download Linux Links -= T h e - L i n u x - G l o s s a r y =- http://glossary.linux-support.net/ Attrition.org http://www.attrition.org/ FirstLinux - the Linux meta-site http://www.firstlinux.com/ FixUnix --The Future Of Open Source http://www.fixunix.com/ FrankenLinux.com - Linux for Newbies and SysAdmins http://www.frankenlinux.com/index.html GEEK DASH GIRL DOT COM http://geek-girl.com/ Jargon File Resources http://www.tuxedo.org/%7Eesr/jargon/ Learning Linux http://www.learninglinux.com/ Linux Counter Home Page http://counter.li.org/ Linux HeadQuarters http://www.linuxhq.com/ Linux Links - The Linux Portal Site http://www.linuxlinks.com/ Linux NOW! http://new.linuxnow.com/ Linux Orbit - Linux on the desktop You bet. http://www.linuxorbit.com/index.php3 Linux tutorials,free games,books,comics - HardcoreLinux http://www.hardcorelinux.com/ Linux. An eclectic compendium for Linux Newbies http://www.xmission.com/%7Ehowardm/ linuxfromscratch.com http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/intro.shtml Linuxiso.org http://www.linuxiso.org/redhat.html Linuxlaboratory.org
RE: [newbie] Searching 101
If you wish I can send you some URL's I've found in the last year or so that assume NO Prior knowledge. :) Heck i have like 200 of these bookmarks if you want. Just ask and ye shall recieve. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Searching 101
On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 17:08:00 -0700 FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:26 PM 2/4/2003 -0500, you wrote: Heh anyway, email me on or offlist. I'll give you some useful sites to prowl. And if you feel overwhelmed feel free to email me pvtly. I'll be happy to help anyway I can luv. Yours sincerely, Heather/Femme I'll post later today or tommorow. I'll divide them into categories for you boys girls here on the list. If the list is interested that is... Any yeas or nays? Or should I just email them offlist? Sendem to the list, please :) Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Searching 101
On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 17:08:00 -0700 FemmeFatale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:26 PM 2/4/2003 -0500, you wrote: Heh anyway, email me on or offlist. I'll give you some useful sites to prowl. And if you feel overwhelmed feel free to email me pvtly. I'll be happy to help anyway I can luv. Yours sincerely, Heather/Femme I'll post later today or tommorow. I'll divide them into categories for you boys girls here on the list. If the list is interested that is... Any yeas or nays? Or should I just email them offlist? - FemmeFatale On list or pvt email whatever I would like to see these links for newbies and would like to pass them around at our local LUG thursday night. Thanks Marc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Searching 101
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anne Wilson Sent: Friday, 24 January 2003 23:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Searching 101 [...snip] A reminder of resources from time to time is useful, but for a newbie searching is doubly difficult, because often you don't know the question to ask or the term to search on. I'll pipe in here, as an absolute oober-newbie... I've been lurking here for a few weeks now, trying to get up to speed, and considering this is the newbie list, it's all rather daunting. I must say, 99% of the stuff you guys are talking about goes right over my head. I got Mandrake 9.0 on a magazine front cover CD and loaded it on an old machine, just accepting the defaults as it went through. It messed up the video, I just got a bunch of blurry diagonal lines on the screen, like an old TV. There were a few other things too, but I'll spare you the boring stuff - suffice to say it was two machines later before I got a desktop on the screen... But my [small] point is: imagine being confronted with building and operating some machinery you've never seen before, and all the instructions are in Japanese. You have to look up each kanji character in the dictionary, and try to piece together the meaning of each sentence, word by word. I think there was a story of someone doing a similar thing with a legal dictionary. There's an amazing amount of help out there, and a bewildering array of man pages, howto's etc, but they all [the ones I've seen so far, anyway] assume you already have a machine up and running and you know at least how to start and stop it. The first time I managed to get to a command line I thought the machine had locked up - there was no C:\ with a flashing underscore. Just one little example. I must say, this list seems much more newbie tolerant than some of the usenet groups, which is why I decided to stick my head up with this post. I'll go back to lurking now, and hopefully some of it will sink in and begin to make sense in a while... :) -- Merlin Zener piano and synthesizer Pattaya, Thailand. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/2003 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Searching 101
On Tuesday 04 Feb 2003 10:41 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's an amazing amount of help out there, and a bewildering array of man pages, howto's etc, but they all [the ones I've seen so far, anyway] assume you already have a machine up and running and you know at least how to start and stop it. The first time I managed to get to a command line I thought the machine had locked up - there was no C:\ with a flashing underscore. Just one little example. Stick with it, Merlin. We were all so raw for a while. I know what you mean about the list - I used to think 'If they ask that here, what's the Expert list like?' The point is that no question is too dumb, though you may well be asked if you've read the archives (http://www.mail-archive.com/newbie@linux-mandrake.com/). For a long time I could not get far enough to have linux up most of the time, and I posted regularly from windows. Just stay with us and you'll learn. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Searching 101
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:41:23 +0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anne Wilson Sent: Friday, 24 January 2003 23:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Searching 101 [...snip] A reminder of resources from time to time is useful, but for a newbie searching is doubly difficult, because often you don't know the question to ask or the term to search on. I'll pipe in here, as an absolute oober-newbie... I've been lurking here for a few weeks now, trying to get up to speed, and considering this is the newbie list, it's all rather daunting. I must say, 99% of the stuff you guys are talking about goes right over my head. I got Mandrake 9.0 on a magazine front cover CD and loaded it on an old machine, just accepting the defaults as it went through. It messed up the video, I just got a bunch of blurry diagonal lines on the screen, like an old TV. There were a few other things too, but I'll spare you the boring stuff - suffice to say it was two machines later before I got a desktop on the screen... But my [small] point is: imagine being confronted with building and operating some machinery you've never seen before, and all the instructions are in Japanese. You have to look up each kanji character in the dictionary, and try to piece together the meaning of each sentence, word by word. I think there was a story of someone doing a similar thing with a legal dictionary. There's an amazing amount of help out there, and a bewildering array of man pages, howto's etc, but they all [the ones I've seen so far, anyway] assume you already have a machine up and running and you know at least how to start and stop it. The first time I managed to get to a command line I thought the machine had locked up - there was no C:\ with a flashing underscore. Just one little example. I must say, this list seems much more newbie tolerant than some of the usenet groups, which is why I decided to stick my head up with this post. I'll go back to lurking now, and hopefully some of it will sink in and begin to make sense in a while... :) -- Merlin Zener piano and synthesizer Pattaya, Thailand. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 27/01/2003 It may be a bit late at this point but Mandrake has a Excellent tutorial for installation on the Mandrake website go to the mandrake home page and you should find a link for demos and or tutorials. Welcome to the list Marc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Searching 101
On Tuesday 04 February 2003 04:28 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: I am still learning and i would say that i am a verteran. Everyone on the list, even developers are still learning linux on a daily basis, just on different levels. Rob I've said it before, and I'll say it again: 5 years ago, I was a Linux newbie... Today, I am still a Linux newbie. Tomorrow, I will be a Linux newbie... smile -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Searching 101
Robert Wideman wrote: I am still learning and i would say that i am a verteran. Everyone on the list, even developers are still learning linux on a daily basis, just on different levels. So true. The daunting thing about Linux is that there is always so much to learn. The encouraging thing is that when you do learn something, you learn something useful (as an example, my two weeks of hell installing RedHat 5.2 taught me a hell of a lot about configuring X). I spent years trying to fix problems with Win95 (I've always been the office alpha-geek), and on the occasions when I did solve it, I came out no wiser than when I came in, or as Omar Khayyam puts it: When I was young, did eagerly frequent Doctor and Saint, and heard great argument About it and about, but evermore Came out by that same door as in I went. I sweated blood to edit the Windows registry, and what did I learn? How to fix one particular problem, in the unlikely event that I could remember the barabarous names of evocation I had intoned. Sir Robin -- Like these cutters, and hackers, who will take the wall of men, and picke quarrells. - G. Pettie Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Searching 101
Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Tuesday 04 February 2003 04:28 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: I am still learning and i would say that i am a verteran. Everyone on the list, even developers are still learning linux on a daily basis, just on different levels. Rob I've said it before, and I'll say it again: 5 years ago, I was a Linux newbie... Today, I am still a Linux newbie. Tomorrow, I will be a Linux newbie... smile As the Japanese saying goes: Zen mind is beginner's mind. Sir Robin -- Like these cutters, and hackers, who will take the wall of men, and picke quarrells. - G. Pettie Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Searching 101
At 05:41 PM 2/4/2003 +0700, you wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anne Wilson Sent: Friday, 24 January 2003 23:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Searching 101 [...snip] A reminder of resources from time to time is useful, but for a newbie searching is doubly difficult, because often you don't know the question to ask or the term to search on. I'll pipe in here, as an absolute oober-newbie... I've been lurking here for a few weeks now, trying to get up to speed, and considering this is the newbie list, it's all rather daunting. I must say, 99% of the stuff you guys are talking about goes right over my head. Hi Luv If you wish I can send you some URL's I've found in the last year or so that assume NO Prior knowledge. :) Heh I was once in your spot dear, and although I learn at an extremely high rate (Many on this list have told me as much so I may as well believe them!), I too had teh problem of Well... this MAN page says to do x to y add in abc + f... then you're on your way to having accomplished zilch! Why? Because you now must read 30 How-To's 10 websites covering the topics/commands you have run into in this MAN document! Lovely huh? Heh anyway, email me on or offlist. I'll give you some useful sites to prowl. And if you feel overwhelmed feel free to email me pvtly. I'll be happy to help anyway I can luv. Yours sincerely, Heather/Femme - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Searching 101
On Tuesday 04 February 2003 06:07 pm, FemmeFatale wrote: At 05:41 PM 2/4/2003 +0700, you wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anne Wilson Sent: Friday, 24 January 2003 23:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Searching 101 [...snip] A reminder of resources from time to time is useful, but for a newbie searching is doubly difficult, because often you don't know the question to ask or the term to search on. I'll pipe in here, as an absolute oober-newbie... I've been lurking here for a few weeks now, trying to get up to speed, and considering this is the newbie list, it's all rather daunting. I must say, 99% of the stuff you guys are talking about goes right over my head. Hi Luv If you wish I can send you some URL's I've found in the last year or so that assume NO Prior knowledge. :) Heh I was once in your spot dear, and although I learn at an extremely high rate (Many on this list have told me as much so I may as well believe them!), I too had teh problem of Well... this MAN page says to do x to y add in abc + f... then you're on your way to having accomplished zilch! Why? Because you now must read 30 How-To's 10 websites covering the topics/commands you have run into in this MAN document! Lovely huh? Heh anyway, email me on or offlist. I'll give you some useful sites to prowl. And if you feel overwhelmed feel free to email me pvtly. I'll be happy to help anyway I can luv. Yours sincerely, Heather/Femme - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert May be it will be a good idea to post this links to the list? Yankl Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Searching 101
On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 17:48, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Tuesday 04 February 2003 04:28 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: I am still learning and i would say that i am a verteran. Everyone on the list, even developers are still learning linux on a daily basis, just on different levels. Rob I've said it before, and I'll say it again: 5 years ago, I was a Linux newbie... Today, I am still a Linux newbie. Tomorrow, I will be a Linux newbie... smile Learning is the process of discovering what you don't know. -- __ / \\ @ __ __@ Adolfo Bello [EMAIL PROTECTED] / // // /\ / \\ // \ // Bello Ingenieria S.A, ICQ: 65910258 / \\ // / \\ / // // / //cel: +58 416 609-6213 /___// // / _/ \__\\ //__/ // fax: +58 212 952-6797 www.bisapi.com //pager: www.tun-tun.com (# 609-6213) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Searching 101
On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 17:48, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Tuesday 04 February 2003 04:28 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: I am still learning and i would say that i am a verteran. Everyone on the list, even developers are still learning linux on a daily basis, just on different levels. Rob I've said it before, and I'll say it again: 5 years ago, I was a Linux newbie... Today, I am still a Linux newbie. Tomorrow, I will be a Linux newbie... smile 5 years ago, I was a Windowz only user. 6 months ago, I was a Windowz only user. 3 months in this list, I am an ex-Windowz user. -- __ / \\ @ __ __@ Adolfo Bello [EMAIL PROTECTED] / // // /\ / \\ // \ // Bello Ingenieria S.A, ICQ: 65910258 / \\ // / \\ / // // / //cel: +58 416 609-6213 /___// // / _/ \__\\ //__/ // fax: +58 212 952-6797 www.bisapi.com //pager: www.tun-tun.com (# 609-6213) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Searching 101
snip Ok, you guys brought up good points. NM then, hehe. But then again there are those emails like the one for Java...me and 5 others replied with www.sun.com or sun.java.com. These are the type of things that is kinda look for yourself and come back and tell us what you found type situation. Rob yep, and the breivity and completeness makes those answers just pefect, IMHO. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Searching 101
I am seeing a lot of posts of where to find programs. Yes i personally ask occasionally myself but that is b/c i have searched about 50 different sites. The main sites for finding apps i use are search engines and i KNOW how to use them. Only a very few people i know even think of using them. As a techie and an advocate of find it yourself...coming from a technician point of view who technically doesnt know anything just knows where to find the answer...use these sites: http://www.google.com http://rpm.pbone.net http://rpmfind.net Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Searching 101
On Friday 24 January 2003 06:29 am, Robert Wideman wrote: I am seeing a lot of posts of where to find programs. Yes i personally ask occasionally myself but that is b/c i have searched about 50 different sites. The main sites for finding apps i use are search engines and i KNOW how to use them. Only a very few people i know even think of using them. As a techie and an advocate of find it yourself...coming from a technician point of view who technically doesnt know anything just knows where to find the answer...use these sites: http://www.google.com http://rpm.pbone.net http://rpmfind.net Rob NOw Rob,,, we are NEWbies and a bunch of folks too lazy to look at google... but really, there was some discussion a while ago about how it feels when you are lost in the ether to recieve STFW-G or RTFD, and how we would try and be as civil as possible about it, and even go so far as to do the search, and then reply a search on google for lost in the ether came up with 27,000 hits, and the one _I_ personally liked was http://www.lost_in_the _ether.info (note; I don't think that site really works) I is often pretty hard for someone (that just figured out that the cupholder keeps breaking when it wants to retract into the box for no reason, and it spills the coffee each time too) to figure out just which of those 27,000 pages really have some info that might help and are not just selling stuff. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Searching 101
On Friday 24 Jan 2003 2:19 pm, et wrote: On Friday 24 January 2003 06:29 am, Robert Wideman wrote: I am seeing a lot of posts of where to find programs. Yes i personally ask occasionally myself but that is b/c i have searched about 50 different sites. The main sites for finding apps i use are search engines and i KNOW how to use them. Only a very few people i know even think of using them. As a techie and an advocate of find it yourself...coming from a technician point of view who technically doesnt know anything just knows where to find the answer...use these sites: http://www.google.com http://rpm.pbone.net http://rpmfind.net Rob NOw Rob,,, we are NEWbies and a bunch of folks too lazy to look at google... but really, there was some discussion a while ago about how it feels when you are lost in the ether to recieve STFW-G or RTFD, and how we would try and be as civil as possible about it, and even go so far as to do the search, and then reply a search on google for lost in the ether came up with 27,000 hits, and the one _I_ personally liked was http://www.lost_in_the _ether.info (note; I don't think that site really works) I is often pretty hard for someone (that just figured out that the cupholder keeps breaking when it wants to retract into the box for no reason, and it spills the coffee each time too) to figure out just which of those 27,000 pages really have some info that might help and are not just selling stuff. A reminder of resources from time to time is useful, but for a newbie searching is doubly difficult, because often you don't know the question to ask or the term to search on. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
