Re: [newbie] Still unable to enjoy Mandrake 9.0 on my pure-Linux machine
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 09:57:58AM +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 26 Mar 2003 10:28 pm, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 04:54:58PM -0500, et wrote: what does cat /etc/hosts say? what does cat /etc/resolv.conf say is DNS runnig? named? ypserv? Thanks. You have given me a few leads. Here's an incomplete reply. /etc/hosts: 10.0.0.10 topoi.pooq.com topoi 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost 172.25.1.1 topoi.pooq.com topoi This looks strange to me. I would have thought that it was being told to look in two places for topoi, which would certainly confuse it. FWIW I had huge problems with massive delays, and it turned out to be just this sort of problems, so stick with it. What IP did you give for your nic? I removed the 10.0.0.10, no implrovement in CDROM mount time, although MCC now starts up in only 45 seconds. /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 204.101.251.1 nameserver 209.226.175.223 I don't recognise these nameservers. Could they be your isp's dns? I don't know. I booted with the DSL modem on, got an internet connexion, and it seems to be defaulting to 216.138.223.134, which is not on the list, but is what my ISP provides. I guess the pppoe setup provides this DNS. -- hendrik Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Still unable to enjoy Mandrake 9.0 on my pure-Linux machine
On Saturday 29 Mar 2003 9:45 pm, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 09:57:58AM +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 26 Mar 2003 10:28 pm, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 04:54:58PM -0500, et wrote: what does cat /etc/hosts say? what does cat /etc/resolv.conf say is DNS runnig? named? ypserv? Thanks. You have given me a few leads. Here's an incomplete reply. /etc/hosts: 10.0.0.10 topoi.pooq.com topoi 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost 172.25.1.1 topoi.pooq.com topoi This looks strange to me. I would have thought that it was being told to look in two places for topoi, which would certainly confuse it. FWIW I had huge problems with massive delays, and it turned out to be just this sort of problems, so stick with it. What IP did you give for your nic? I removed the 10.0.0.10, no implrovement in CDROM mount time, although MCC now starts up in only 45 seconds. /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 204.101.251.1 nameserver 209.226.175.223 I don't recognise these nameservers. Could they be your isp's dns? I don't know. I booted with the DSL modem on, got an internet connexion, and it seems to be defaulting to 216.138.223.134, which is not on the list, but is what my ISP provides. I guess the pppoe setup provides this DNS. -- hendrik Hendrik, these nameservers are not causing your problem, and they're not harming you. You can find out who they are and decide whether to keep them after the problem is solved. I am convinced you have a resolution problem. There is a file somewhere, and I can't remember where, that holds your domain name. The name needs to be a fully qualified name, but not one that it will confuse with an internet name. You need to find that file. See if you can search for that file by searching on part or whole of what you set your domain to be. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Still unable to enjoy Mandrake 9.0 on my pure-Linux machine
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 09:57:58AM +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 26 Mar 2003 10:28 pm, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 04:54:58PM -0500, et wrote: what does cat /etc/hosts say? what does cat /etc/resolv.conf say is DNS runnig? named? ypserv? Thanks. You have given me a few leads. Here's an incomplete reply. /etc/hosts: 10.0.0.10 topoi.pooq.com topoi 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost 172.25.1.1 topoi.pooq.com topoi This looks strange to me. I would have thought that it was being told to look in two places for topoi, which would certainly confuse it. FWIW I had huge problems with massive delays, and it turned out to be just this sort of problems, so stick with it. I understand. I'm baffled, though, what IP numbers have to do CDROMs. What IP did you give for your nic? Two network interface cards: one for the outside world, which has pppoe running on it through a DSL modem, and whose IP number is supposed to be irrelevant (and which I suspect has been set to 10.0.0.10 by some agent in the Mandrake installation code), and one for the LAN, which is 172.25.1.1. The IP number that the pppoe link provides is fixed as 216.138.195.194, but of course that's only valid after the link is up. Right now I don't have a DNS running on Mandrake yet. Do you know of any way to give a different IP number for topoi,pooq.com for users on the LAN and users fron the rest of the world? Or dous routing somehow automatically know LAN packets for 216.138.195.194 hav arrived when the arrive at 172.25.1.1 and don't have to visit the other interface? Anyway, the proper IP number for topoi.pooq.com is 216.138.195.194, although local users can use 172.25.1.1 -- hendrik /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 204.101.251.1 nameserver 209.226.175.223 I don't recognise these nameservers. Could they be your isp's dns? No. They aren't. I wonder where they came from. Mind you, one of them may have been my ISP's DNS a long while ago; they have recently suffered a merger, and they DNSes they tell me about now are different from anything I've got configures anywhere on any OS. So this is definitely something to change. I'll probably have some time tomorrow to try out all this stuff. -- hendrik Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Still unable to enjoy Mandrake 9.0 on my pure-Linux machine
On Thursday 27 March 2003 04:31 pm, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 09:57:58AM +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 26 Mar 2003 10:28 pm, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 04:54:58PM -0500, et wrote: what does cat /etc/hosts say? what does cat /etc/resolv.conf say is DNS runnig? named? ypserv? Thanks. You have given me a few leads. Here's an incomplete reply. /etc/hosts: 10.0.0.10 topoi.pooq.com topoi 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost 172.25.1.1 topoi.pooq.com topoi This looks strange to me. I would have thought that it was being told to look in two places for topoi, which would certainly confuse it. FWIW I had huge problems with massive delays, and it turned out to be just this sort of problems, so stick with it. I understand. I'm baffled, though, what IP numbers have to do CDROMs. in linux, you are really looking in the entire world to see if a file is available. you are not looking in for /home/document/bigone.fish/icons/trout, as the rest of the root is implied as localhost.localdomain/home/document/bigone.fish/icons/trout, but, it looks in the hosts file aftere looking up the name of the computer, since you don't really have to have localhost.localdomain localhost, since the alias of localhost can be defined elsewhere. real problem here is why would you want the world as an open door? bottom line is that a correct host file is needed to get your computer to look in the correct places, adn to close the outside INternet OUT. remove the line 172.25.1.1 topoi.pooq.com topoi save the file, and restart the network,,, right now What IP did you give for your nic? Two network interface cards: one for the outside world, which has pppoe running on it through a DSL modem, and whose IP number is supposed to be irrelevant (and which I suspect has been set to 10.0.0.10 by some agent in the Mandrake installation code), and one for the LAN, which is 172.25.1.1. The IP number that the pppoe link provides is fixed as 216.138.195.194, but of course that's only valid after the link is up. Right now I don't have a DNS running on Mandrake yet. Do you know of any way to give a different IP number for topoi,pooq.com for users on the LAN and users fron the rest of the world? Or dous routing somehow automatically know LAN packets for 216.138.195.194 hav arrived when the arrive at 172.25.1.1 and don't have to visit the other interface? Anyway, the proper IP number for topoi.pooq.com is 216.138.195.194, although local users can use 172.25.1.1 -- hendrik /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 204.101.251.1 nameserver 209.226.175.223 I don't recognise these nameservers. Could they be your isp's dns? No. They aren't. I wonder where they came from. Mind you, one of them may have been my ISP's DNS a long while ago; they have recently suffered a merger, and they DNSes they tell me about now are different from anything I've got configures anywhere on any OS. So this is definitely something to change. I'll probably have some time tomorrow to try out all this stuff. -- hendrik Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Linux counter number 167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Still unable to enjoy Mandrake 9.0 on my pure-Linux machine
On Thursday 27 Mar 2003 9:31 pm, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 09:57:58AM +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 26 Mar 2003 10:28 pm, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 04:54:58PM -0500, et wrote: what does cat /etc/hosts say? what does cat /etc/resolv.conf say is DNS runnig? named? ypserv? Thanks. You have given me a few leads. Here's an incomplete reply. /etc/hosts: 10.0.0.10 topoi.pooq.com topoi 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost 172.25.1.1 topoi.pooq.com topoi This looks strange to me. I would have thought that it was being told to look in two places for topoi, which would certainly confuse it. FWIW I had huge problems with massive delays, and it turned out to be just this sort of problems, so stick with it. I understand. I'm baffled, though, what IP numbers have to do CDROMs. I think that it's because whenever your system tries to read anything, it quickly checks all its references, to see which ones are relevant. In my case it was a hostname error that was causing the problem, but the result was a boot up that took 3-4 minutes, and every click on any icon or file manager entry took over a minute to activate. Resolving the hostname problem cleared the speed problem immediately. What IP did you give for your nic? Two network interface cards: one for the outside world, which has pppoe running on it through a DSL modem, and whose IP number is supposed to be irrelevant (and which I suspect has been set to 10.0.0.10 by some agent in the Mandrake installation code), and one for the LAN, which is 172.25.1.1. The IP number that the pppoe link provides is fixed as 216.138.195.194, but of course that's only valid after the link is up. Right now I don't have a DNS running on Mandrake yet. Do you know of any way to give a different IP number for topoi,pooq.com for users on the LAN and users fron the rest of the world? Or dous routing somehow automatically know LAN packets for 216.138.195.194 hav arrived when the arrive at 172.25.1.1 and don't have to visit the other interface? Anyway, the proper IP number for topoi.pooq.com is 216.138.195.194, although local users can use 172.25.1.1 I'm out of my depth here, Hendrik, because I don't have this kind of setup. As I read it, 216.138.195.194 is your outward facing ip address, and the router then redirects the packets to the appropriate lan address according to the table it keeps, so I'm not sure what the second nic is doing. I don't know how a dsl modem works, but in my router I have the choice of enabling a block of ip numbers for the router to allocate as a dns server, or maintaining a static nat table for lan ip numbers. Perhaps someone with a dsl modem could chip in here? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Still unable to enjoy Mandrake 9.0 on my pure-Linux machine
On Thursday 27 March 2003 05:15 pm, et wrote: On Thursday 27 March 2003 04:31 pm, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 09:57:58AM +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 26 Mar 2003 10:28 pm, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 04:54:58PM -0500, et wrote: what does cat /etc/hosts say? what does cat /etc/resolv.conf say is DNS runnig? named? ypserv? Thanks. You have given me a few leads. Here's an incomplete reply. /etc/hosts: 10.0.0.10 topoi.pooq.com topoi 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost 172.25.1.1 topoi.pooq.com topoi This looks strange to me. I would have thought that it was being told to look in two places for topoi, which would certainly confuse it. FWIW I had huge problems with massive delays, and it turned out to be just this sort of problems, so stick with it. I understand. I'm baffled, though, what IP numbers have to do CDROMs. in linux, you are really looking in the entire world to see if a file is available. you are not looking in for /home/document/bigone.fish/icons/trout, as the rest of the root is implied as localhost.localdomain/home/document/bigone.fish/icons/trout, but, it looks in the hosts file aftere looking up the name of the computer, since you don't really have to have localhost.localdomain localhost, since the alias of localhost can be defined elsewhere. real problem here is why would you want the world as an open door? bottom line is that a correct host file is needed to get your computer to look in the correct places, adn to close the outside INternet OUT. remove the line 172.25.1.1 topoi.pooq.com topoi save the file, and restart the network,,, right now OOOPS shut up ed till you read the whole post that is wrong DONT DO IT What IP did you give for your nic? Two network interface cards: one for the outside world, which has pppoe running on it through a DSL modem, and whose IP number is supposed to be irrelevant (and which I suspect has been set to 10.0.0.10 by some agent in the Mandrake installation code), and one for the LAN, which is 172.25.1.1. The IP number that the pppoe link provides is fixed as 216.138.195.194, but of course that's only valid after the link is up. Right now I don't have a DNS running on Mandrake yet. Do you know of any way to give a different IP number for topoi,pooq.com for users on the LAN and users fron the rest of the world? Or dous routing somehow automatically know LAN packets for 216.138.195.194 hav arrived when the arrive at 172.25.1.1 and don't have to visit the other interface? Anyway, the proper IP number for topoi.pooq.com is 216.138.195.194, although local users can use 172.25.1.1 -- hendrik /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 204.101.251.1 nameserver 209.226.175.223 I don't recognise these nameservers. Could they be your isp's dns? No. They aren't. I wonder where they came from. Mind you, one of them may have been my ISP's DNS a long while ago; they have recently suffered a merger, and they DNSes they tell me about now are different from anything I've got configures anywhere on any OS. So this is definitely something to change. I'll probably have some time tomorrow to try out all this stuff. -- hendrik Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Linux counter number 167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Still unable to enjoy Mandrake 9.0 on my pure-Linux machine
Still no joy. The CDROM still takes ages to mount. It almost as if something is tying up a bunch of low-level system stuff until it expires on a time-out. This is really interfering with using Mandrake 9.0. I might blame it on slow hardware (a 100MHz Pentium), except no such delays occur with SuSE Linux running on the same hardware (dual boot) During boot, it takes ninety seconds to start up devFS. Is this normal? In case the trouble was with devFS (one of the differences between Mandrake and the SuSE system I have no trouble with), I tries doing without devFS by changing lilo.conf and rerunning lilo. Except that it didn try to start up d devFS, no difference. It still took two minutes and twenty-seven seconds to mount a CD. So devFS seems not to be the problem. Subsequent operations from the CD are slow too: 29 seconds to ls a directory, 14 seconds fo unmount the CD. It takes over two minutes to start Mandrake Command Centre. Most of the time it appears to be doing nothing. It takes a minute to get to the place where I can turn system services on and off. Under the curcumstances, comleting the installation of Mandrakd 9.0 is really hopeless. I did this in the hope of answering Miark question: On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 02:31:40PM -0500, Miark wrote: Is autofs running? If so, try turning it off with drakxservices. Miark Is drakxservices the thing you get to turn services on and off from the MCC? If so, autofs was not even listed as something to turn on or off. It really seems as though the system is locking up for times varying from thirty+seconds to over a minute now and then. Mounting a CD does eventually work (today I mounted an old OS/2 shareware CD flawlessly, except that it took four minutes). Now and then it does a read from the CD (as evidenced by the drive light), with *huge* time delays. I'm used to it doing a few reads in less than+a second on the old SuSE system wtill running on the same hardware (dual boot, SuSE and Mandrake) and returning immediately afteward with a successful mount. So I wonder what could cause the delays. I sat and watched in boot Mandrake 9.0+today. The first noticeable delay was a minute and a half or so starting devFS+demon. Id announces that it is starting the devFS demon, and about 90 seconds +later (times without a clock) it announces success. The only other delays during boot are understandable timeouts:waiting for adsl +to come up (the modem was off) and waiting to synchronize the clock (again, no +net). Is ninety-seconds a normal time to take to start up devFS? Could startup delay with devFS be related to the slow CD mount problem? Is it possible to reconfigure to skip devFS somehow (I suspect not, but I'll ask+anyway.) What does devFS do, anyway? -- hendrik Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Still unable to enjoy Mandrake 9.0 on my pure-Linux machine
what does cat /etc/hosts say? what does cat /etc/resolv.conf say is DNS runnig? named? ypserv? Wednesday 26 March 2003 02:10 pm, Hendrik Boom wrote: Still no joy. The CDROM still takes ages to mount. It almost as if something is tying up a bunch of low-level system stuff until it expires on a time-out. This is really interfering with using Mandrake 9.0. I might blame it on slow hardware (a 100MHz Pentium), except no such delays occur with SuSE Linux running on the same hardware (dual boot) During boot, it takes ninety seconds to start up devFS. Is this normal? In case the trouble was with devFS (one of the differences between Mandrake and the SuSE system I have no trouble with), I tries doing without devFS by changing lilo.conf and rerunning lilo. Except that it didn try to start up d devFS, no difference. It still took two minutes and twenty-seven seconds to mount a CD. So devFS seems not to be the problem. Subsequent operations from the CD are slow too: 29 seconds to ls a directory, 14 seconds fo unmount the CD. It takes over two minutes to start Mandrake Command Centre. Most of the time it appears to be doing nothing. It takes a minute to get to the place where I can turn system services on and off. Under the curcumstances, comleting the installation of Mandrakd 9.0 is really hopeless. I did this in the hope of answering Miark question: On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 02:31:40PM -0500, Miark wrote: Is autofs running? If so, try turning it off with drakxservices. Miark Is drakxservices the thing you get to turn services on and off from the MCC? If so, autofs was not even listed as something to turn on or off. It really seems as though the system is locking up for times varying from thirty+seconds to over a minute now and then. Mounting a CD does eventually work (today I mounted an old OS/2 shareware CD flawlessly, except that it took four minutes). Now and then it does a read from the CD (as evidenced by the drive light), with *huge* time delays. I'm used to it doing a few reads in less than+a second on the old SuSE system wtill running on the same hardware (dual boot, SuSE and Mandrake) and returning immediately afteward with a successful mount. So I wonder what could cause the delays. I sat and watched in boot Mandrake 9.0+today. The first noticeable delay was a minute and a half or so starting devFS+demon. Id announces that it is starting the devFS demon, and about 90 seconds +later (times without a clock) it announces success. The only other delays during boot are understandable timeouts:waiting for adsl +to come up (the modem was off) and waiting to synchronize the clock (again, no +net). Is ninety-seconds a normal time to take to start up devFS? Could startup delay with devFS be related to the slow CD mount problem? Is it possible to reconfigure to skip devFS somehow (I suspect not, but I'll ask+anyway.) What does devFS do, anyway? -- hendrik -- Linux counter number 167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Still unable to enjoy Mandrake 9.0 on my pure-Linux machine
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 04:35:16PM -0500, Guy Rouillier wrote: Hendrik Boom wrote: During boot, it takes ninety seconds to start up devFS. Is this normal? I have a slightly faster system (dual Pentium 233 MMX) and yes, DevFS takes forever during boot. Don't know why. I've been thinking of disabling it, but I haven't figured out what it does yet. My system runs about as badly with and without DefFS. It seems to be a new way of organising device files, with symbolic links for retrocompatibility. It is supposed to really shine for USB devices. I have no such devices. It's really easy to remove if you use lilo. Just remove the line that refers to it. Only, just to be sure you don't lose everything, copy the lilo paragraph you use and make the change in the copy. That way you will have a boot-time choice, and can choose the old scheme if the new one fails. Doing thie sped up the boot process a little, but had no effect on my real problems. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Still unable to enjoy Mandrake 9.0 on my pure-Linux machine
On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 04:54:58PM -0500, et wrote: what does cat /etc/hosts say? what does cat /etc/resolv.conf say is DNS runnig? named? ypserv? Thanks. You have given me a few leads. Here's an incomplete reply. /etc/hosts: 10.0.0.10 topoi.pooq.com topoi 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost 172.25.1.1 topoi.pooq.com topoi /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 204.101.251.1 nameserver 209.226.175.223 I don't recognise these nameservers. Looks like something I could fix. I certainly haven't asked to have a DNS or a YP running, but I presume installing 9.0 will have set up some kind of default. It's certainly my intention to have DNS running eventually, but I still haven't configured it. I'll check whether I'm actually running DNS, named, or ypserv when I next get to boot Mandrake again (this machine is used as internet gateway by a number of others, so I can't just reboot and check it right now. But so far, while runnung Mandrake, the net connexion is off. Could it be that mounting a CD requires a net connexion? Does MCC require a net connexion? Is it not possible to configure a stand-alone Mandrake system? -- hendrik Wednesday 26 March 2003 02:10 pm, Hendrik Boom wrote: Still no joy. The CDROM still takes ages to mount. It almost as if something is tying up a bunch of low-level system stuff until it expires on a time-out. This is really interfering with using Mandrake 9.0. I might blame it on slow hardware (a 100MHz Pentium), except no such delays occur with SuSE Linux running on the same hardware (dual boot) During boot, it takes ninety seconds to start up devFS. Is this normal? In case the trouble was with devFS (one of the differences between Mandrake and the SuSE system I have no trouble with), I tries doing without devFS by changing lilo.conf and rerunning lilo. Except that it didn try to start up d devFS, no difference. It still took two minutes and twenty-seven seconds to mount a CD. So devFS seems not to be the problem. Subsequent operations from the CD are slow too: 29 seconds to ls a directory, 14 seconds fo unmount the CD. It takes over two minutes to start Mandrake Command Centre. Most of the time it appears to be doing nothing. It takes a minute to get to the place where I can turn system services on and off. Under the curcumstances, comleting the installation of Mandrakd 9.0 is really hopeless. I did this in the hope of answering Miark question: On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 02:31:40PM -0500, Miark wrote: Is autofs running? If so, try turning it off with drakxservices. Miark Is drakxservices the thing you get to turn services on and off from the MCC? If so, autofs was not even listed as something to turn on or off. It really seems as though the system is locking up for times varying from thirty+seconds to over a minute now and then. Mounting a CD does eventually work (today I mounted an old OS/2 shareware CD flawlessly, except that it took four minutes). Now and then it does a read from the CD (as evidenced by the drive light), with *huge* time delays. I'm used to it doing a few reads in less than+a second on the old SuSE system wtill running on the same hardware (dual boot, SuSE and Mandrake) and returning immediately afteward with a successful mount. So I wonder what could cause the delays. I sat and watched in boot Mandrake 9.0+today. The first noticeable delay was a minute and a half or so starting devFS+demon. Id announces that it is starting the devFS demon, and about 90 seconds +later (times without a clock) it announces success. The only other delays during boot are understandable timeouts:waiting for adsl +to come up (the modem was off) and waiting to synchronize the clock (again, no +net). Is ninety-seconds a normal time to take to start up devFS? Could startup delay with devFS be related to the slow CD mount problem? Is it possible to reconfigure to skip devFS somehow (I suspect not, but I'll ask+anyway.) What does devFS do, anyway? -- hendrik -- Linux counter number 167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
