Re: [newbie] Time to Quit the Install?
Hi Sridhar, On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:45, you manipulated electrons to produce: Actually, the price is about the same when you take into account the exchange rate (about $US1 = $A2 at present). THAT is the fiction of Foreign Exchange - don't get me started on that ! :-) Believe me, if you LIVE there and EARN there it is not relevant. 1. The machine EVEN runs W98SE with the only fault being the famous memory leak under heavy use. I can keep it going all day! Wow, that's amazing! I used to reboot several times a day! With GNU/Linux, I only reboot (and not out of necessity) once or twice a week (I keep my machine on all the time). Oh yes, Doze I KNOW. There are tricks - like keeping an old donkey moving better to get a horse. If you use the Ext2 filesystem (the default), the machine will execute a file system check (fsck) on bootup if you didn't shut down correctly. It will also issue a periodic checkup after a certain number of boots (I've forgotten how many). This is normal. * Well, we certainly aren't getting to shut down correctly. 2. On Logout, sometimes it offers a login alternative screen, sometimes it simply boots back into the default user - and continues the problem. That's odd -- things should be consistent here. I'm not sure about this one. ** I do have an auto login running, but it shouldn't be effective AFTER a logout, should it? 3. On Shutdown it reports numerous and seemingly increasing problems - particularly with both CDs and devices. What are the problems? Sometimes these are not problems at all (but then again, sometimes they are). * Too many to list readily. Scroll rate faster than I can recall. But, they are increasing. 4. PPP dies unexpectedly regularly. You mean you get disconnected from the Internet? This could be a problem with your ISP, or from being logged in for too long, or maybe from an idle connection. *** Can't tell for sure - it offers to run a log, then fails to do so. But only having the problem under Mandrake - no probs all day under Doze. 5. Kmail will suddenly whiteout and only a logout will help. This costs the loss of the display details of the KPPP. It is still connected, but no display of the fact is available. Turn off interval mail checking in KMail. Also, have you considered another client, like Evolution or Aethera, or maybe even Mozilla Mail? Wait for KDE 2.2 (due out on Aug 6). Maybe things will be fixed in there. Thought I'd wait for it - mail hassles in converting I don't need - only just finished cross-sending over two hundred as nothing translated them. 6. Intense Disk activity (thrashing in the Doze world) has caused lockup 3 times in 2 days. Always involving Kmail. (VERY frustrating to duplicate 100+ emails downloaded! ) Resolved by hitting cancel button on display saying ( each reboot) indexing. Try going to /home/username/Mail (after closing all instances of KMail) and delete all files with the extensions .sorted and .index. Now reload KMail. I find that this can often fix KMail errors. * Don't have any there. ( On startup not relog, a display of Gnome is searching for Trash bins also appears and has to be cancelled. It does not go away.) 7. A Gnome Desktop has appeared on Dtop 4 and is un-cancellable I assume you are using KDE? Have you tried logging out from GNOME? This should leave only KDE. When you exit from KDE, make sure that your session is saved (there's an option for this in the Control Centre). When you next log in, there should be no more GNOME. I'm actually not logged in to Gnome. There is no option to log out. On the Gnome screen the Taskbar is still KDE 8. Hitting the Kill option has no effect on the locked-up programs. In the now severe cases. the final event is reminescent of the B.S.O.D. of Doze. Only recourse is a reboot. In almost all cases, a reboot is unnecessary. Some apps don't die with an ordinary kill (e.g. as done through xkill). If you use an app like gtop (there are KDE equivalents, but I don't know them), you should have options to issue stronger kills than what is standard. Sometimes I find that this is necessary (although I do the same thing through a command line). ** With the severe lockup I don't have access to the keyboard any longer. For options beyond Kill - I haven't the knowhow yet. Before you reinstall, try using other environments besides KDE. I personally find GNOME/Sawfish (i.e. not loaded inside KDE) to be far more stable (in face, rock-solid) than KDE. Other users find that the opposite is the case for them. Try a few alternatives and see what works best. You may even begin to like them :-) ** Well, I would prefer not to do the whole thing again, but time is running out on me and it looks like a hybrid will be my only choice - Win4Lin - and
Re: [newbie] Time to Quit the Install?
Hi Erylon, No we don't allow flames here!! But you might have saved my sanity!! :-) Everyone else seems to have serious problems - like Networking Apples, their Grannie and their 4 totally incompatible clones of 386 vintage to run unattended! I was feeling very lonely .. On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:35, you manipulated electrons to produce: On Thursday 26 July 2001 15:26, John Rigby wrote: Hi folks, Well, I purchased the official M8 Powerbox ( to avoid any problems with install) - in Oz it costs twice the price of USA - $140 After two weeks of at least half a day every day - asking for and getting great support here, it seems time to call a halt O.K., I'll probably get flamed for this, but I, too, had multiple problems with version 8.0, across multiple installs. I know there are lots of people out there that have had no problems with 8.0, but I'm not one of them. eryl -- Cheers, John http://counter.li.org GO HERE IF YOU SUPPORT LINUX! Fablor is now Webhosting?? What on earth for?? Info here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (it's only an Autoresponder) :-)
Re: [newbie] Time to Quit the Install?
I too have had some very strange problems with LM 8.0. My desktop took an inordinate amount of time to load the system with the installer pausing in the middle of program loads for 20 or 30 seconds. It took about 3 hours to load. With my laptop, the software update manager does not work properly, and the network connection disappears and re-appears at random. I have posted to this list but have not had a reply. None of these problems existed in LM 7.2. I built my CD's using Adaptec programs on a WinNT 4.0 system so the CD's may not be burned properly. I did the same for my LM 7.2 and had no problems though... I think I will re-load 7.2 on the laptop and upgrade individual systems as required. Lots of luck... Tom. erylon hines wrote: On Thursday 26 July 2001 15:26, John Rigby wrote: Hi folks, Well, I purchased the official M8 Powerbox ( to avoid any problems with install) - in Oz it costs twice the price of USA - $140 After two weeks of at least half a day every day - asking for and getting great support here, it seems time to call a halt . The distro install is definitely deteorating - like my adrenalin reserves :-) O.K., I'll probably get flamed for this, but I, too, had multiple problems with version 8.0, across multiple installs. Total lockups required hitting the reset button (something I've had to do maybe 3 times in 4 years with linux) happened at least twice a week. DNS problems which would come and go--sometimes dns worked, sometimes the browser would hang resolving hostname, and would require the kill command to close it. Ghost windows staying after I killed the proc, etc. And processes would sometimes take an inordinate amount of time to complete on my P233 developmental box that I had it installed on. After the third install I finally just went back to 7.2 and the problems have ALL GONE AWAY. I know there are lots of people out there that have had no problems with 8.0, but I'm not one of them. eryl
Re: [newbie] Time to Quit the Install?
was this done as a upgreade to 8.0 or a complete fresh (reformat HD) install? On Friday 27 July 2001 12:15, Tom Cada wrote: I too have had some very strange problems with LM 8.0. My desktop took an inordinate amount of time to load the system with the installer pausing in the middle of program loads for 20 or 30 seconds. It took about 3 hours to load. With my laptop, the software update manager does not work properly, and the network connection disappears and re-appears at random. I have posted to this list but have not had a reply. None of these problems existed in LM 7.2. I built my CD's using Adaptec programs on a WinNT 4.0 system so the CD's may not be burned properly. I did the same for my LM 7.2 and had no problems though... I think I will re-load 7.2 on the laptop and upgrade individual systems as required. Lots of luck... Tom. erylon hines wrote: On Thursday 26 July 2001 15:26, John Rigby wrote: Hi folks, Well, I purchased the official M8 Powerbox ( to avoid any problems with install) - in Oz it costs twice the price of USA - $140 After two weeks of at least half a day every day - asking for and getting great support here, it seems time to call a halt . The distro install is definitely deteorating - like my adrenalin reserves :-) O.K., I'll probably get flamed for this, but I, too, had multiple problems with version 8.0, across multiple installs. Total lockups required hitting the reset button (something I've had to do maybe 3 times in 4 years with linux) happened at least twice a week. DNS problems which would come and go--sometimes dns worked, sometimes the browser would hang resolving hostname, and would require the kill command to close it. Ghost windows staying after I killed the proc, etc. And processes would sometimes take an inordinate amount of time to complete on my P233 developmental box that I had it installed on. After the third install I finally just went back to 7.2 and the problems have ALL GONE AWAY. I know there are lots of people out there that have had no problems with 8.0, but I'm not one of them. eryl
Re: [newbie] Time to Quit the Install?
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 22:43, John Rigby wrote: Hi Sridhar, On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:45, you manipulated electrons to produce: Actually, the price is about the same when you take into account the exchange rate (about $US1 = $A2 at present). THAT is the fiction of Foreign Exchange - don't get me started on that ! :-) Believe me, if you LIVE there and EARN there it is not relevant. 1. The machine EVEN runs W98SE with the only fault being the famous memory leak under heavy use. I can keep it going all day! Wow, that's amazing! I used to reboot several times a day! With GNU/Linux, I only reboot (and not out of necessity) once or twice a week (I keep my machine on all the time). Oh yes, Doze I KNOW. There are tricks - like keeping an old donkey moving better to get a horse. If you use the Ext2 filesystem (the default), the machine will execute a file system check (fsck) on bootup if you didn't shut down correctly. It will also issue a periodic checkup after a certain number of boots (I've forgotten how many). This is normal. * Well, we certainly aren't getting to shut down correctly. 2. On Logout, sometimes it offers a login alternative screen, sometimes it simply boots back into the default user - and continues the problem. That's odd -- things should be consistent here. I'm not sure about this one. ** I do have an auto login running, but it shouldn't be effective AFTER a logout, should it? If you cloose to log out you should be logged out properly, without being logged in again. 3. On Shutdown it reports numerous and seemingly increasing problems - particularly with both CDs and devices. What are the problems? Sometimes these are not problems at all (but then again, sometimes they are). * Too many to list readily. Scroll rate faster than I can recall. But, they are increasing. 4. PPP dies unexpectedly regularly. You mean you get disconnected from the Internet? This could be a problem with your ISP, or from being logged in for too long, or maybe from an idle connection. *** Can't tell for sure - it offers to run a log, then fails to do so. But only having the problem under Mandrake - no probs all day under Doze. What offers to run a log? KPPP? You can try another dialer (I can't think of any off-hand but I know there are some out there). 5. Kmail will suddenly whiteout and only a logout will help. This costs the loss of the display details of the KPPP. It is still connected, but no display of the fact is available. Turn off interval mail checking in KMail. Also, have you considered another client, like Evolution or Aethera, or maybe even Mozilla Mail? Wait for KDE 2.2 (due out on Aug 6). Maybe things will be fixed in there. Thought I'd wait for it - mail hassles in converting I don't need - only just finished cross-sending over two hundred as nothing translated them. Kmail uses a pretty standard mail format (namely, UNIX's MBOX standard). It should be readable by other mail clients, AFAIK. 6. Intense Disk activity (thrashing in the Doze world) has caused lockup 3 times in 2 days. Always involving Kmail. (VERY frustrating to duplicate 100+ emails downloaded! ) Resolved by hitting cancel button on display saying ( each reboot) indexing. Try going to /home/username/Mail (after closing all instances of KMail) and delete all files with the extensions .sorted and .index. Now reload KMail. I find that this can often fix KMail errors. * Don't have any there. ( On startup not relog, a display of Gnome is searching for Trash bins also appears and has to be cancelled. It does not go away.) 7. A Gnome Desktop has appeared on Dtop 4 and is un-cancellable I assume you are using KDE? Have you tried logging out from GNOME? This should leave only KDE. When you exit from KDE, make sure that your session is saved (there's an option for this in the Control Centre). When you next log in, there should be no more GNOME. I'm actually not logged in to Gnome. There is no option to log out. On the Gnome screen the Taskbar is still KDE If there are any GNOME Panels, right-click an empty space on one (like a handle) and select Desktop - Log Out. Otherwise, open a terminal and type kill gnome-session. 8. Hitting the Kill option has no effect on the locked-up programs. In the now severe cases. the final event is reminescent of the B.S.O.D. of Doze. Only recourse is a reboot. In almost all cases, a reboot is unnecessary. Some apps don't die with an ordinary kill (e.g. as done through xkill). If you use an app like gtop (there are KDE equivalents, but I don't know them), you should have options to issue stronger kills than what is standard. Sometimes I find that this is necessary (although I do the same thing through a command
[newbie] Time to Quit the Install?
Hi folks, Well, I purchased the official M8 Powerbox ( to avoid any problems with install) - in Oz it costs twice the price of USA - $140 After two weeks of at least half a day every day - asking for and getting great support here, it seems time to call a halt . The distro install is definitely deteorating - like my adrenalin reserves :-) I didn't have this many problems doing my first ever Concurrent-Dos Network twenty years ago, when my only expert quit suddenly and left me with the job. Side Note: I am an industrial psychologist. I NEVER tuned my own car :-). Possible causes: 1. Either it is my machine. 2. It is the Disks/Distro itself faulty. 3. My efforts at getting progs to work have broken it. 1. The machine EVEN runs W98SE with the only fault being the famous memory leak under heavy use. I can keep it going all day! 2. It seemed ok. Even though by accident of accepting all the defaults I could see, resulted in my installing a full Server version. It was very fast to get up and connect to the inet. 3. Till 48 hours ago, the problems seemed typical Newby. Where's the bathroom? Now, how do I flush? Then the neg reports/events began: As of this A.M.: 1. On startup many problems are reported - particularly relating to Disk Partitions. e.g. blocks 64 should be 8 -fixed(see 3) 2. On Logout, sometimes it offers a login alternative screen, sometimes it simply boots back into the default user - and continues the problem. 3. On Shutdown it reports numerous and seemingly increasing problems - particularly with both CDs and devices. 4. PPP dies unexpectedly regularly. 5. Kmail will suddenly whiteout and only a logout will help. This costs the loss of the display details of the KPPP. It is still connected, but no display of the fact is available. 6. Intense Disk activity (thrashing in the Doze world) has caused lockup 3 times in 2 days. Always involving Kmail. (VERY frustrating to duplicate 100+ emails downloaded! ) Resolved by hitting cancel button on display saying ( each reboot) indexing. ( On startup not relog, a display of Gnome is searching for Trash bins also appears and has to be cancelled. It does not go away.) 7. A Gnome Desktop has appeared on Dtop 4 and is un-cancellable 8. Hitting the Kill option has no effect on the locked-up programs. In the now severe cases. the final event is reminescent of the B.S.O.D. of Doze. Only recourse is a reboot. If it was a horse, I would put it down - it seems in great pain. :-) NOW: If I decide to start again, does this seem like: 1. Simple install interference? 2. Something broke? ( I have under advice hit the update button) 3. Only foreign body introduced was IBM's Websphere which brings Wine with it.. All others were part of the Distro. How would you suggest I re-install? 1. Uninstall 2. Delete entire partition. 3. Send away for new disks. ( Another week lost) Thanks again for all the fish folks, I promise that I'm trying to do my bit to come up with THAT Newby FAQ/Gotcha list. But I didn't expect to be the MAIN contributor :-) -- Cheers, John http://counter.li.org GO HERE IF YOU SUPPORT LINUX! Fablor is now Webhosting?? What on earth for?? Info here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (it's only an Autoresponder) :-)
Re: [newbie] Time to Quit the Install?
no problem, I really hope he gets it running as well as it should. I, on the other hand need to remember spellcheck. On Thursday 26 July 2001 21:37, you had thoughts to the concept of: Ed, Don't let him get under you skin. Roman On Thursday 26 July 2001 08:32 pm, you wrote: well, this looks like my opretunity to see if I am filtered. I believe you must have some services running that you should not or at least do not need. you are not running a server as much as a desktop at this time? what happens when you log into a different console (ie; ctrl+alt+f4 or any f1to6) as root and type top with out the quotes? if you ain't even gonna read it why should i type it? On Thursday 26 July 2001 18:26, you had thoughts to the concept of: Hi folks, Well, I purchased the official M8 Powerbox ( to avoid any problems with install) - in Oz it costs twice the price of USA - $140 After two weeks of at least half a day every day - asking for and getting great support here, it seems time to call a halt . The distro install is definitely deteorating - like my adrenalin reserves :-) detereroating? deteorating? ahhh, getting worse? I didn't have this many problems doing my first ever Concurrent-Dos Network twenty years ago, when my only expert quit suddenly and left me with the job. Side Note: I am an industrial psychologist. I NEVER tuned my own car :-). Possible causes: 1. Either it is my machine. 2. It is the Disks/Distro itself faulty. 3. My efforts at getting progs to work have broken it. 1. The machine EVEN runs W98SE with the only fault being the famous memory leak under heavy use. I can keep it going all day! 2. It seemed ok. Even though by accident of accepting all the defaults I could see, resulted in my installing a full Server version. It was very fast to get up and connect to the inet. 3. Till 48 hours ago, the problems seemed typical Newby. Where's the bathroom? Now, how do I flush? Then the neg reports/events began: As of this A.M.: 1. On startup many problems are reported - particularly relating to Disk Partitions. e.g. blocks 64 should be 8 -fixed(see 3) 2. On Logout, sometimes it offers a login alternative screen, sometimes it simply boots back into the default user - and continues the problem. 3. On Shutdown it reports numerous and seemingly increasing problems - particularly with both CDs and devices. 4. PPP dies unexpectedly regularly. 5. Kmail will suddenly whiteout and only a logout will help. This costs the loss of the display details of the KPPP. It is still connected, but no display of the fact is available. 6. Intense Disk activity (thrashing in the Doze world) has caused lockup 3 times in 2 days. Always involving Kmail. (VERY frustrating to duplicate 100+ emails downloaded! ) Resolved by hitting cancel button on display saying ( each reboot) indexing. ( On startup not relog, a display of Gnome is searching for Trash bins also appears and has to be cancelled. It does not go away.) 7. A Gnome Desktop has appeared on Dtop 4 and is un-cancellable 8. Hitting the Kill option has no effect on the locked-up programs. In the now severe cases. the final event is reminescent of the B.S.O.D. of Doze. Only recourse is a reboot. If it was a horse, I would put it down - it seems in great pain. :-) NOW: If I decide to start again, does this seem like: 1. Simple install interference? 2. Something broke? ( I have under advice hit the update button) 3. Only foreign body introduced was IBM's Websphere which brings Wine with it.. All others were part of the Distro. How would you suggest I re-install? 1. Uninstall 2. Delete entire partition. 3. Send away for new disks. ( Another week lost) Thanks again for all the fish folks, I promise that I'm trying to do my bit to come up with THAT Newby FAQ/Gotcha list. But I didn't expect to be the MAIN contributor :-)
Re: [newbie] Time to Quit the Install?
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 08:26, John Rigby wrote: Hi folks, Well, I purchased the official M8 Powerbox ( to avoid any problems with install) - in Oz it costs twice the price of USA - $140 After two weeks of at least half a day every day - asking for and getting great support here, it seems time to call a halt . Actually, the price is about the same when you take into account the exchange rate (about $US1 = $A2 at present). The distro install is definitely deteorating - like my adrenalin reserves :-) I didn't have this many problems doing my first ever Concurrent-Dos Network twenty years ago, when my only expert quit suddenly and left me with the job. Side Note: I am an industrial psychologist. I NEVER tuned my own car :-). Possible causes: 1. Either it is my machine. 2. It is the Disks/Distro itself faulty. 3. My efforts at getting progs to work have broken it. 1. The machine EVEN runs W98SE with the only fault being the famous memory leak under heavy use. I can keep it going all day! Wow, that's amazing! I used to reboot several times a day! With GNU/Linux, I only reboot (and not out of necessity) once or twice a week (I keep my machine on all the time). 2. It seemed ok. Even though by accident of accepting all the defaults I could see, resulted in my installing a full Server version. It was very fast to get up and connect to the inet. 3. Till 48 hours ago, the problems seemed typical Newby. Where's the bathroom? Now, how do I flush? Then the neg reports/events began: As of this A.M.: 1. On startup many problems are reported - particularly relating to Disk Partitions. e.g. blocks 64 should be 8 -fixed(see 3) If you use the Ext2 filesystem (the default), the machine will execute a file system check (fsck) on bootup if you didn't shut down correctly. It will also issue a periodic checkup after a certain number of boots (I've forgotten how many). This is normal. 2. On Logout, sometimes it offers a login alternative screen, sometimes it simply boots back into the default user - and continues the problem. That's odd -- things should be consistent here. I'm not sure about this one. 3. On Shutdown it reports numerous and seemingly increasing problems - particularly with both CDs and devices. What are the problems? Sometimes these are not problems at all (but then again, sometimes they are). 4. PPP dies unexpectedly regularly. You mean you get disconnected from the Internet? This could be a problem with your ISP, or from being logged in for too long, or maybe from an idle connection. 5. Kmail will suddenly whiteout and only a logout will help. This costs the loss of the display details of the KPPP. It is still connected, but no display of the fact is available. Turn off interval mail checking in KMail. Also, have you considered another client, like Evolution or Aethera, or maybe even Mozilla Mail? Wait for KDE 2.2 (due out on Aug 6). Maybe things will be fixed in there. 6. Intense Disk activity (thrashing in the Doze world) has caused lockup 3 times in 2 days. Always involving Kmail. (VERY frustrating to duplicate 100+ emails downloaded! ) Resolved by hitting cancel button on display saying ( each reboot) indexing. Try going to /home/username/Mail (after closing all instances of KMail) and delete all files with the extensions .sorted and .index. Now reload KMail. I find that this can often fix KMail errors. ( On startup not relog, a display of Gnome is searching for Trash bins also appears and has to be cancelled. It does not go away.) 7. A Gnome Desktop has appeared on Dtop 4 and is un-cancellable I assume you are using KDE? Have you tried logging out from GNOME? This should leave only KDE. When you exit from KDE, make sure that your session is saved (there's an option for this in the Control Centre). When you next log in, there should be no more GNOME. 8. Hitting the Kill option has no effect on the locked-up programs. In the now severe cases. the final event is reminescent of the B.S.O.D. of Doze. Only recourse is a reboot. In almost all cases, a reboot is unnecessary. Some apps don't die with an ordinary kill (e.g. as done through xkill). If you use an app like gtop (there are KDE equivalents, but I don't know them), you should have options to issue stronger kills than what is standard. Sometimes I find that this is necessary (although I do the same thing through a command line). If it was a horse, I would put it down - it seems in great pain. :-) Before you reinstall, try using other environments besides KDE. I personally find GNOME/Sawfish (i.e. not loaded inside KDE) to be far more stable (in face, rock-solid) than KDE. Other users find that the opposite is the case for them. Try a few alternatives and see what works best. You may even begin to like them :-) NOW: If I decide to start again, does this seem like: 1. Simple install interference? 2. Something broke? ( I have under advice hit the
Re: [newbie] Time to Quit the Install?
On Thursday 26 July 2001 15:26, John Rigby wrote: Hi folks, Well, I purchased the official M8 Powerbox ( to avoid any problems with install) - in Oz it costs twice the price of USA - $140 After two weeks of at least half a day every day - asking for and getting great support here, it seems time to call a halt . The distro install is definitely deteorating - like my adrenalin reserves :-) O.K., I'll probably get flamed for this, but I, too, had multiple problems with version 8.0, across multiple installs. Total lockups required hitting the reset button (something I've had to do maybe 3 times in 4 years with linux) happened at least twice a week. DNS problems which would come and go--sometimes dns worked, sometimes the browser would hang resolving hostname, and would require the kill command to close it. Ghost windows staying after I killed the proc, etc. And processes would sometimes take an inordinate amount of time to complete on my P233 developmental box that I had it installed on. After the third install I finally just went back to 7.2 and the problems have ALL GONE AWAY. I know there are lots of people out there that have had no problems with 8.0, but I'm not one of them. eryl
Re: [newbie] Time to Quit the Install?
well, this looks like my opretunity to see if I am filtered. I believe you must have some services running that you should not or at least do not need. you are not running a server as much as a desktop at this time? what happens when you log into a different console (ie; ctrl+alt+f4 or any f1to6) as root and type top with out the quotes? if you ain't even gonna read it why should i type it? On Thursday 26 July 2001 18:26, you had thoughts to the concept of: Hi folks, Well, I purchased the official M8 Powerbox ( to avoid any problems with install) - in Oz it costs twice the price of USA - $140 After two weeks of at least half a day every day - asking for and getting great support here, it seems time to call a halt . The distro install is definitely deteorating - like my adrenalin reserves :-) detereroating? deteorating? ahhh, getting worse? I didn't have this many problems doing my first ever Concurrent-Dos Network twenty years ago, when my only expert quit suddenly and left me with the job. Side Note: I am an industrial psychologist. I NEVER tuned my own car :-). Possible causes: 1. Either it is my machine. 2. It is the Disks/Distro itself faulty. 3. My efforts at getting progs to work have broken it. 1. The machine EVEN runs W98SE with the only fault being the famous memory leak under heavy use. I can keep it going all day! 2. It seemed ok. Even though by accident of accepting all the defaults I could see, resulted in my installing a full Server version. It was very fast to get up and connect to the inet. 3. Till 48 hours ago, the problems seemed typical Newby. Where's the bathroom? Now, how do I flush? Then the neg reports/events began: As of this A.M.: 1. On startup many problems are reported - particularly relating to Disk Partitions. e.g. blocks 64 should be 8 -fixed(see 3) 2. On Logout, sometimes it offers a login alternative screen, sometimes it simply boots back into the default user - and continues the problem. 3. On Shutdown it reports numerous and seemingly increasing problems - particularly with both CDs and devices. 4. PPP dies unexpectedly regularly. 5. Kmail will suddenly whiteout and only a logout will help. This costs the loss of the display details of the KPPP. It is still connected, but no display of the fact is available. 6. Intense Disk activity (thrashing in the Doze world) has caused lockup 3 times in 2 days. Always involving Kmail. (VERY frustrating to duplicate 100+ emails downloaded! ) Resolved by hitting cancel button on display saying ( each reboot) indexing. ( On startup not relog, a display of Gnome is searching for Trash bins also appears and has to be cancelled. It does not go away.) 7. A Gnome Desktop has appeared on Dtop 4 and is un-cancellable 8. Hitting the Kill option has no effect on the locked-up programs. In the now severe cases. the final event is reminescent of the B.S.O.D. of Doze. Only recourse is a reboot. If it was a horse, I would put it down - it seems in great pain. :-) NOW: If I decide to start again, does this seem like: 1. Simple install interference? 2. Something broke? ( I have under advice hit the update button) 3. Only foreign body introduced was IBM's Websphere which brings Wine with it.. All others were part of the Distro. How would you suggest I re-install? 1. Uninstall 2. Delete entire partition. 3. Send away for new disks. ( Another week lost) Thanks again for all the fish folks, I promise that I'm trying to do my bit to come up with THAT Newby FAQ/Gotcha list. But I didn't expect to be the MAIN contributor :-)
