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die thread die! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/25/2000 07:11:23 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: (bcc: Lonny Selinger/SaskPower) Subject: Re: [newbie] Yo Jason Ashman wrote: -- Hey Linux users. I am a Microsoft convert, Windows SUCKS! With Linux you will spend more time trying to get things up and going than you ever would using windows. If you want to wast your hartbeats getting LINUX to do stuff that windows does right out of the box so be it. First off its heartbeats and yes you might end up spending more time configuring your machine...main point is YOU are configuring your machine and not a sub standard non RFC following O/S. I never once thought Linux would be the "Windows" killer only becasue of a gret number of people who just are not interested as much in computers and how why they work. For those who *do* enjoy delving into their systems and having ALL the control over how things are delegated on a machine Linux has been a dream come true ... free *nix!! Those who can ... do, those who can't either whine or grab a spine and figure out why they can't, and rectify the problem with a solution either with help from others, or on their own. At one time I believed people who didn't *get* Linux and open source were just cattle running with the rest of the "well it works good enough for me" hurd ... I admit thats shallow and rude...Linux just isn't for everyone ... too bad we have to listen to them whine though =o\ if you dont like the o/s and want to complain ... maybe it would be better to join a Windows advocation mailing list and tell them...at least you might get some of the feed back you are looking for =o) -- Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! Linux -Where Do You Want To Go Tomorrow! OpenBSD-Hey Are You Guys Coming Or What? I believe I have read this tag many ways but I like this one (even though I do not have and BSD installs running at the moment) ;-) Lonny Selinger
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ummmwhat is it exactly that you're trying to tell us? Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yo I have Windoze 98 Se installed on a 10 gig hd. Then I have Linix installed on a 10gig hd. seconday drive. My system under windows is a bout an 7. My same system under Linux is a 10. The system just does not stop under Lunix. and there is no way i could rilly stop it if I wounted to outher than to boot under windoze. - Original Message - From: "Doug" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Yo Jason Ashman wrote: -- Hey Linux users. I am a Microsoft convert, Windows SUCKS! With Linux you will spend more time trying to get things up and going than you ever would using windows. If you want to wast your hartbeats getting LINUX to do stuff that windows does right out of the box so be it. -- Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! * Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! Visit My Web Page At: http://home.earthlink.net/~neptuned/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/theneptune59/index.html E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * MHS Class Of 78 Marshalltown High School-Marshalltown,IA USA *
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I hope you don't behave like this on the HAM bands. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brendan K Callahan Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 3:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Yo By the way, I wouldn't brag about being from Iowa that much. Flat, uninspiring, quiet, and not happening. Right on the nose about Iowa, too. But that's why I live here--got sick of the city. I didn't even notice he was from IA too, lol. And he's not very far from me either. Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! -- Brendan K Callahan, Grinnell, IA, US K0EES, Extra Class License http://www.mp3.com/darkmare_romeo K0EES, Extra Class License dahdidah dahdahdahdahdah dit dit dididit
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Sorry Jason...Not personally meant at you...the thread that I was reading said you last and I picked the wrong author...OOPS (never was perfect, just farther than others!) Steve W (still happily tweaking my "inferior" Linux server, 45 days uptime, no hickups, crashes or surprises!) - Original Message - From: "Goldenpi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Yo Good old dos, runs so well once you get the memory sorted. I still have a lot of dos games. Even red alert will run under dos, so will warcraft 2. - Original Message - From: Jason Ashman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Yo On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, you wrote: Jason, not to be too personal, but if you can't get Linux to run faster, longer and do all this with less effort in Linux than Windows, you are the one with the problem, not the O/S you're comparing. I would recommend a steady diet of intelligent, meaningful and thought provoking conversation, followed up with some IN DEPTH proof that you have Linux experience, and then write something worth reading. I only use Windows (any flavor) because my company GAVE it to me and their proprietary apps run only on it. Otherwise, I use only software that someone can see where it's broke (i.e. open source software, and this means free most of the time as well). This is Jason replyingI didn't write the below statement. I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVERdefend Microsoft products. I used DOS until last year when I relented and bought a Win 98 PC, needless to say Win 98 only lasted one year for me. Proof that when you make computers "userfriendly" you make them less reliable. And for the person who wrote that statement below, try fixing a Windows problem in DOS and see how easy it is, since almost ALL PC's don't come with DOS instructions! With Linux you will spend more time trying to get things up and going than you ever would using windows. If you want to wast your hartbeats getting LINUX to do stuff that windows does right out of the box so be it.
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ke to the developers listed in the Mandrake Linux website. They maintain a list of e-mail addresses and you can write to them. And you should get a response from any of them. Not some auto responder either. You need to do what I did, think for yourself. don't believe what Microsoft is marketing. READ the manuals. You will discover the limitations and come to the same conclusions that I did. You are not in charge of the computer, Microsoft is. Happy reading Steve W (still in Beijing)...not worth as much as Gates, except to my kids. - Original Message - From: "Doug" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Yo Hi Don, What I get sick of most under Linux is when I download programs that needs to be compiled it seems like most of the time you never have all the right librarys to compile it. Then you got to go out on the web to find it. Then when you try to install them sometimes the system don't want you to because its trying to replace files that some other program depends on. It seems with windows that most of the time I just have to unzip it or get a VB runtime Mod. I do like the pkg stuff with linux. Most of the time they will work. sometimes you need to get somekind of lib mod. Doug Welker Donald P NPRI wrote: Jason, not to be too personal, but if you can't get Linux to run faster, longer and do all this with less effort in Linux than Windows, you are the one with the problem, not the O/S you're comparing. I respectfully disagree. It doesn't take much more than a set of compatible device drivers to make Windows run pretty evenly, it's just that people who buy cheap hardware seldom get such drivers. The Windows experience also includes software (such as multimedia and entertainment) that stresses those drivers and tends to cause such crashes. Maybe now that Microsoft has stablilized their driver spec and vendors only have to write one Windows driver things will get better (I wonder what drove them to do that...) Getting Linux to work with an application set and keeping it patched still requires more computerese than most lay people are willing and able to endure. Unforunatly many of those who are familiar with Linux have by the very nature of things lost touch with this fact, unless they routinely support computer novices. I would recommend a steady diet of intelligent, meaningful and thought provoking conversation, followed up with some IN DEPTH proof that you have Linux experience, and then write something worth reading. Why? He didn't need to spend several weeks reading HOWTO's in order to make Windows display a GUI, did he? He can't read the HOWTO's until he gets his browser working, can he? Oh, and Micron will give him free Unix training with his new computer, except that it's written in Shockware and there's no Shockwave player for Linux, darn the luck... I only use Windows (any flavor) because my company GAVE it to me and their proprietary apps run only on it. Otherwise, I use only software that someone can see where it's broke (i.e. open source software, and this means free most of the time as well). There's that thing about applications again. What are they for, anyway? -- Windows-It Kicks The Penguin's Ass! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! * Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! Visit My Web Page At: http://home.earthlink.net/~neptuned/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/theneptune59/index.html E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * MHS Class Of 78 Marshalltown High School-Marshalltown,IA USA *
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Paul, Could you help me? I need to write a script that flashes a BLUE SCREEN about every 90 or so minutes and remind me it's time to crash and reboot...Only when I have like 3 applications going and no information saved. Please help (he he he !!!) ...Big, Bad and in your Face...It's a crash coming to your PC now!! Just fire up this here new OS and you can have one too!! Only from the creators of Mine Sweeper! (and other useless things like the network neighborhood). Steve Weltman - Original Message - From: "Paul" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 2:21 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Yo On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, rebel wrote: Funny I have my SB Live running, web server, Star Office running with no problem. I do have a problemLinux runs and runs and runs, no blue screen of death. I think I can get a little Perl program going, to make up for that. *giggle* Paul -- ODOSCAN.EXE: keeps the Quarks off of your hard drive )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]])0( http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21+Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, "Steve" == Steve Weltman wrote: Steve Doug Doug Doug Doug Doug Steve Didn't ANYone ever explain the FINANCIAL implications of free Steve software models to you? snip in great detalil What does this thesis and response to MS as an OS versus Linux have anything to do with Mandrake specifically on the Newbie help list. Nobody on the list derived any expertise from this dead horse, which initially did not belong on the group either. You will have to forgive me, as for a moment, I thought I was in a chat room or on a news group, as there is absolutely no substantiative material here regarding Mandrake or its operation as a distro. Take it off line to the source. Some of us actually want to know about Mandrake. Get a grip people and stay focused. -- Gary Today's thought: Life is what happens to you when you're making other plans.
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Thats because people dont need a book to use windows. - Original Message - From: Mark Hillary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Yo Proof that linux has taken off it that I went into waterstones in Milton Keynes (Book shop in engalnd) and they have started up a differnet shop for computer book. There where more books based on linux, then window. I choose Linux because it is a changllane, take that away, then it is not linux. Mark Hillary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/25/2000 07:11:23 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: (bcc: Lonny Selinger/SaskPower) Subject: Re: [newbie] Yo Jason Ashman wrote: -- Hey Linux users. I am a Microsoft convert, Windows SUCKS! With Linux you will spend more time trying to get things up and going than you ever would using windows. If you want to wast your hartbeats getting LINUX to do stuff that windows does right out of the box so be it. First off its heartbeats and yes you might end up spending more time configuring your machine...main point is YOU are configuring your machine and not a sub standard non RFC following O/S. I never once thought Linux would be the "Windows" killer only becasue of a gret number of people who just are not interested as much in computers and how why they work. For those who *do* enjoy delving into their systems and having ALL the control over how things are delegated on a machine Linux has been a dream come true ... free *nix!! Those who can ... do, those who can't either whine or grab a spine and figure out why they can't, and rectify the problem with a solution either with help from others, or on their own. At one time I believed people who didn't *get* Linux and open source were just cattle running with the rest of the "well it works good enough for me" hurd ... I admit thats shallow and rude...Linux just isn't for everyone ... too bad we have to listen to them whine though =o\ if you dont like the o/s and want to complain ... maybe it would be better to join a Windows advocation mailing list and tell them...at least you might get some of the feed back you are looking for =o) -- Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! Linux -Where Do You Want To Go Tomorrow! OpenBSD-Hey Are You Guys Coming Or What? I believe I have read this tag many ways but I like this one (even though I do not have and BSD installs running at the moment) ;-) Lonny Selinger
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Good old dos, runs so well once you get the memory sorted. I still have a lot of dos games. Even red alert will run under dos, so will warcraft 2. - Original Message - From: Jason Ashman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Yo On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, you wrote: Jason, not to be too personal, but if you can't get Linux to run faster, longer and do all this with less effort in Linux than Windows, you are the one with the problem, not the O/S you're comparing. I would recommend a steady diet of intelligent, meaningful and thought provoking conversation, followed up with some IN DEPTH proof that you have Linux experience, and then write something worth reading. I only use Windows (any flavor) because my company GAVE it to me and their proprietary apps run only on it. Otherwise, I use only software that someone can see where it's broke (i.e. open source software, and this means free most of the time as well). This is Jason replyingI didn't write the below statement. I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVERdefend Microsoft products. I used DOS until last year when I relented and bought a Win 98 PC, needless to say Win 98 only lasted one year for me. Proof that when you make computers "userfriendly" you make them less reliable. And for the person who wrote that statement below, try fixing a Windows problem in DOS and see how easy it is, since almost ALL PC's don't come with DOS instructions! With Linux you will spend more time trying to get things up and going than you ever would using windows. If you want to wast your hartbeats getting LINUX to do stuff that windows does right out of the box so be it.
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Netscape always crashes, no matter what you run it under. The difference is that in windows it takes everything else with it. - Original Message - From: Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 3:39 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Yo Hugh wrote: And Doug you forgot to mention the pretty blue screens you get And all for free NOT! LOL Ya and Linux is crash free! NOT! Like sometimes when I use Netscape it will just crash and you got to click its icon to get it going again most of the time this will to work and you got to log out and back in again. Then there was the time when I Deleted a large file one my zip drive and it made LINUX crash. On and on for desktop use Linux is no better than Windows. -- Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! * Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! Visit My Web Page At: http://home.earthlink.net/~neptuned/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/theneptune59/index.html E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * MHS Class Of 78 Marshalltown High School-Marshalltown,IA USA *
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By the way, I wouldn't brag about being from Iowa that much. Flat, uninspiring, quiet, and not happening. Right on the nose about Iowa, too. But that's why I live here--got sick of the city. I didn't even notice he was from IA too, lol. And he's not very far from me either. Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! -- Brendan K Callahan, Grinnell, IA, US K0EES, Extra Class License http://www.mp3.com/darkmare_romeo K0EES, Extra Class License dahdidah dahdahdahdahdah dit dit dididit
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Umno one ever said apps like Netscape are crash free. They're refering to the Operating System. And to tell you the truth you yourself said it, that when something crashes bad where you might have to reboot the system under windows, under Linux all that's needed is to exit and reenter x-windows. If you ask me that a HELL of a lot easier and more convenient then rebooting the entire system when something dies. And I've been running Linux for almost two years now, and while Netscape is 'somewhat' more stable under Linux, (not by much) I don't have the software conflicts in Linux that are present and common in windows. -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496 On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Doug wrote: Hugh wrote: And Doug you forgot to mention the pretty blue screens you get And all for free NOT! LOL Ya and Linux is crash free! NOT! Like sometimes when I use Netscape it will just crash and you got to click its icon to get it going again most of the time this will to work and you got to log out and back in again. Then there was the time when I Deleted a large file one my zip drive and it made LINUX crash. On and on for desktop use Linux is no better than Windows. -- Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! * Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! Visit My Web Page At: http://home.earthlink.net/~neptuned/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/theneptune59/index.html E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * MHS Class Of 78 Marshalltown High School-Marshalltown,IA USA *
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amen! now let's let this poor horse die! it's starting to draw flies! -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496 On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Goldenpi wrote: Netscape always crashes, no matter what you run it under. The difference is that in windows it takes everything else with it. - Original Message - From: Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 3:39 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Yo Hugh wrote: And Doug you forgot to mention the pretty blue screens you get And all for free NOT! LOL Ya and Linux is crash free! NOT! Like sometimes when I use Netscape it will just crash and you got to click its icon to get it going again most of the time this will to work and you got to log out and back in again. Then there was the time when I Deleted a large file one my zip drive and it made LINUX crash. On and on for desktop use Linux is no better than Windows. -- Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! * Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! Visit My Web Page At: http://home.earthlink.net/~neptuned/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/theneptune59/index.html E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * MHS Class Of 78 Marshalltown High School-Marshalltown,IA USA *
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Jason Ashman wrote: -- Hey Linux users. I am a Microsoft convert, Windows SUCKS! With Linux you will spend more time trying to get things up and going than you ever would using windows. If you want to wast your hartbeats getting LINUX to do stuff that windows does right out of the box so be it. -- Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! * Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! Visit My Web Page At: http://home.earthlink.net/~neptuned/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/theneptune59/index.html E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * MHS Class Of 78 Marshalltown High School-Marshalltown,IA USA *
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My what a big TROLL you are LOL On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, you wrote: Jason Ashman wrote: -- Hey Linux users. I am a Microsoft convert, Windows SUCKS! With Linux you will spend more time trying to get things up and going than you ever would using windows. If you want to wast your hartbeats getting LINUX to do stuff that windows does right out of the box so be it. -- Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! * Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! Visit My Web Page At: http://home.earthlink.net/~neptuned/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/theneptune59/index.html E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * MHS Class Of 78 Marshalltown High School-Marshalltown,IA USA *
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And Doug you forgot to mention the pretty blue screens you get And all for free NOT! LOL On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, you wrote: Jason Ashman wrote: -- Hey Linux users. I am a Microsoft convert, Windows SUCKS! With Linux you will spend more time trying to get things up and going than you ever would using windows. If you want to wast your hartbeats getting LINUX to do stuff that windows does right out of the box so be it. -- Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! * Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! Visit My Web Page At: http://home.earthlink.net/~neptuned/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/theneptune59/index.html E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * MHS Class Of 78 Marshalltown High School-Marshalltown,IA USA *
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Funny I have my SB Live running, web server, Star Office running with no problem. I do have a problemLinux runs and runs and runs, no blue screen of death. Linux has many advantages over Winblows: Cheaper(even MS had to cut price of Win98ME to compete) smaller swap file faster no Outlook (virus) Express etc. Doug wrote: Jason Ashman wrote: -- Hey Linux users. I am a Microsoft convert, Windows SUCKS! With Linux you will spend more time trying to get things up and going than you ever would using windows. If you want to wast your hartbeats getting LINUX to do stuff that windows does right out of the box so be it. -- Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! * Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! Visit My Web Page At: http://home.earthlink.net/~neptuned/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/theneptune59/index.html E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * MHS Class Of 78 Marshalltown High School-Marshalltown,IA USA *
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Yo I have Windoze 98 Se installed on a 10 gig hd. Then I have Linix installed on a 10gig hd. seconday drive. My system under windows is a bout an 7. My same system under Linux is a 10. The system just does not stop under Lunix. and there is no way i could rilly stop it if I wounted to outher than to boot under windoze. - Original Message - From: "Doug" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Yo Jason Ashman wrote: -- Hey Linux users. I am a Microsoft convert, Windows SUCKS! With Linux you will spend more time trying to get things up and going than you ever would using windows. If you want to wast your hartbeats getting LINUX to do stuff that windows does right out of the box so be it. -- Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! * Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! Visit My Web Page At: http://home.earthlink.net/~neptuned/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/theneptune59/index.html E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * MHS Class Of 78 Marshalltown High School-Marshalltown,IA USA *
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, rebel wrote: Funny I have my SB Live running, web server, Star Office running with no problem. I do have a problemLinux runs and runs and runs, no blue screen of death. I think I can get a little Perl program going, to make up for that. *giggle* Paul -- ODOSCAN.EXE: keeps the Quarks off of your hard drive )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]])0( http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21+Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
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Welker Donald P NPRI [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/25/2000 11:29:43 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: (bcc: Lonny Selinger/SaskPower) Subject: RE: [newbie] Yo Jason, not to be too personal, but if you can't get Linux to run faster, longer and do all this with less effort in Linux than Windows, you are the one with the problem, not the O/S you're comparing. I respectfully disagree. It doesn't take much more than a set of compatible device drivers to make Windows run pretty evenly, it's just that people who buy cheap hardware seldom get such drivers. The Windows experience also includes software (such as multimedia and entertainment) that stresses those drivers and tends to cause such crashes. Maybe now that Microsoft has stablilized their driver spec and vendors only have to write one Windows driver things will get better (I wonder what drove them to do that...) -Good point it should be interesting to see how many vendors adheir to the -upgraded spec. Its not *all* on MS's part, vendors have to go along with -it too Getting Linux to work with an application set and keeping it patched still requires more computerese than most lay people are willing and able to endure. - Define application set. The only patching I have ever had to do was for - Network services that had been upgraded or fixed. I dont know anyone who - constantly upgrades their software ... and with package management .. - even a trained monkey can type rpm -Uvh package name Unforunatly many of those who are familiar with Linux have by the very nature of things lost touch with this fact, unless they routinely support computer novices. - Actually I do help lots of people who want to learn about Linux etc so I'm not - just venting wind (I GET lots of help too) =o) People who want to learn, I have found - pick this stuff up very fast and even come back telling me things I would have never - thought of looking into ... you are correct though . not everyone wants to learn .. - they want to click, see pictures, and have everything work right now. - this makes it a lot harder to trouble shoot when something does go wrong however - because they know nothing about their systems. - Windows user: "I have to use windows" - Linux Advocate: "But why? you can try Linux for free!" - Windows user: "But I don't know anything about Linux" - Linux Advocate: "Um..you dont know anything about windows either" I would recommend a steady diet of intelligent, meaningful and thought provoking conversation, followed up with some IN DEPTH proof that you have Linux experience, and then write something worth reading. Why? He didn't need to spend several weeks reading HOWTO's in order to make Windows display a GUI, did he? - Um no ... but thats all windows is ... a GUI that would be like saying - "Well he didn't need to look for a command line when his GUI in windows booted - and when Linux booted it was right there . instant command line" He can't read the HOWTO's until he gets his browser working, can he? - why not? Lynx displays HOWTO's and its a browser ... lots of HOTO's are installed on the - local machine to so you dont even need an Internet connection either Oh, and Micron will give him free Unix training with his new computer, except that it's written in Shockware and there's no Shockwave player for Linux, darn the luck... - As a member of a users group, local open source group within my company AND a member of SAGE/USENIX - I can say there are WAY more resources for getting help if you *really* want to learn *nix systems - including text based (which is fitting seeing as how it is UNIX based) and html based tutorials I only use Windows (any flavor) because my company GAVE it to me and their proprietary apps run only on it. Otherwise, I use only software that someone can see where it's broke (i.e. open source software, and this means free most of the time as well). There's that thing about applications again. What are they for, anyway? - What are applications for?? what is an operating system without applications ... oh yeah ... windows. Lonny Selinger
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Please tell me why this thread is continuing on a -=LINUX=- mail list Jaguar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yo I have Windoze 98 Se installed on a 10 gig hd. Then I have Linix installed on a 10gig hd. seconday drive. My system under windows is a bout an 7. My same system under Linux is a 10. The system just does not stop under Lunix. and there is no way i could rilly stop it if I wounted to outher than to boot under windoze. - Original Message - From: "Doug" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Yo Jason Ashman wrote: -- Hey Linux users. I am a Microsoft convert, Windows SUCKS! With Linux you will spend more time trying to get things up and going than you ever would using windows. If you want to wast your hartbeats getting LINUX to do stuff that windows does right out of the box so be it. -- Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! * Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! Visit My Web Page At: http://home.earthlink.net/~neptuned/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/theneptune59/index.html E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * MHS Class Of 78 Marshalltown High School-Marshalltown,IA USA * The Dogma chased the Stigma, and was hit by the Karma. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail
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Vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/25/2000 01:13:42 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: (bcc: Lonny Selinger/SaskPower) Subject: [newbie] Yo ho ho and a WEIRD Wild Web Network On Tue, 30 Sep 2036, you wrote: Please tell me why this thread is continuing on a -=LINUX=- mail list Jaguar The WEIRD thing is, the main lin box will ping and telnet and ftp to the little box and vice versa, but you guessed it, the main server can get to the internet, but the little box cannot. You see, the main box's second ethernet card (eth1) is addressed 100.100.100.100 on the internal network and the little box's card (eth0) is on 100.100.100.101 the main box's first nic (eth0) is addressed 64.217.130.89 which is also the address that hits the internet, while the terminal node interface is the default gateway of 64.217.130.94 (you can ping it from the main box) and the main box's eth0 has a netmask of 255.255.255.248. WHEW!!! - Theres something I think I'm missing here (correct me if I am wrong) - from my experience netmasks *to* the internet are usually 255.255.255.0 - leaving a broadcast as IP - last octet + 255 - example line for this (using your IP) would be something like - ifconfig eth0 64.217.130.94 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 64.217.130.255 up I don't know if I have the right netmask on the little box or not, it does not grumble one way or the other. - The netmask for the little box if its only on the local network - (meaning it doesn't have its own real world IP to the net) would be something like: - 255.255.0.0 however your gateway seems like an actual gateway machine you are hosting - locally. - if you are trying to *share* one outside IP for the machines check out the HOWTO for - IP masqerading. It explains what you have to do to set this type of sharing up. Lonny Selinger -Snip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yo I have Windoze 98 Se installed on a 10 gig hd. Then I have Linix installed on a 10gig hd. seconday drive. My system under windows is a bout an 7. My same system under Linux is a 10. The system just does not stop under Lunix. and there is no way i could rilly stop it if I wounted to outher than to boot under windoze. - Original Message - From: "Doug" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Yo Jason Ashman wrote: -- Hey Linux users. I am a Microsoft convert, Windows SUCKS! With Linux you will spend more time trying to get things up and going than you ever would using windows. If you want to wast your hartbeats getting LINUX to do stuff that windows does right out of the box so be it. -- Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! * Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! Visit My Web Page At: http://home.earthlink.net/~neptuned/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/theneptune59/index.html E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * MHS Class Of 78 Marshalltown High School-Marshalltown,IA USA * The Dogma chased the Stigma, and was hit by the Karma. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail
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Bob Harman wrote: It reminds me of my OS/2 days: Linux may (in some cases) be harder to get up and running than Win9x, but once it's where you want it, it's not going down easily. For business use and for better performance and reliability, even Microsoft recommends using Win2K instead of Win9x (or WinME). Bob clap clap clap for u and for all us penguinistas too Goldenpi wrote: Well windows does take less setting up. But linux has better memory use. And windows comes with, erm, windows. Linux comes with lots of free software. - Original Message - From: Hugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Yo And Doug you forgot to mention the pretty blue screens you get And all for free NOT! LOL On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, you wrote: Jason Ashman wrote: -- Hey Linux users. I am a Microsoft convert, Windows SUCKS! With Linux you will spend more time trying to get things up and going than you ever would using windows. If you want to wast your hartbeats getting LINUX to do stuff that windows does right out of the box so be it. -- Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! * Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! Visit My Web Page At: http://home.earthlink.net/~neptuned/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/theneptune59/index.html E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * MHS Class Of 78 Marshalltown High School-Marshalltown,IA USA *
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, you wrote: Jason, not to be too personal, but if you can't get Linux to run faster, longer and do all this with less effort in Linux than Windows, you are the one with the problem, not the O/S you're comparing. I would recommend a steady diet of intelligent, meaningful and thought provoking conversation, followed up with some IN DEPTH proof that you have Linux experience, and then write something worth reading. I only use Windows (any flavor) because my company GAVE it to me and their proprietary apps run only on it. Otherwise, I use only software that someone can see where it's broke (i.e. open source software, and this means free most of the time as well). This is Jason replyingI didn't write the below statement. I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVERdefend Microsoft products. I used DOS until last year when I relented and bought a Win 98 PC, needless to say Win 98 only lasted one year for me. Proof that when you make computers "userfriendly" you make them less reliable. And for the person who wrote that statement below, try fixing a Windows problem in DOS and see how easy it is, since almost ALL PC's don't come with DOS instructions! With Linux you will spend more time trying to get things up and going than you ever would using windows. If you want to wast your hartbeats getting LINUX to do stuff that windows does right out of the box so be it.
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Why are yu on this mailing list. In alio peduclum vides in te ricinum non vides And also Erus meus elephanti corio circumtentust, non suo, neque habet plus sapientiai quam lapis. Mark Hillary Doug wrote: Jason Ashman wrote: -- Hey Linux users. I am a Microsoft convert, Windows SUCKS! With Linux you will spend more time trying to get things up and going than you ever would using windows. If you want to wast your hartbeats getting LINUX to do stuff that windows does right out of the box so be it. -- Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! * Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! Visit My Web Page At: http://home.earthlink.net/~neptuned/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/theneptune59/index.html E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * MHS Class Of 78 Marshalltown High School-Marshalltown,IA USA *
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Proof that linux has taken off it that I went into waterstones in Milton Keynes (Book shop in engalnd) and they have started up a differnet shop for computer book. There where more books based on linux, then window. I choose Linux because it is a changllane, take that away, then it is not linux. Mark Hillary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/25/2000 07:11:23 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: (bcc: Lonny Selinger/SaskPower) Subject: Re: [newbie] Yo Jason Ashman wrote: -- Hey Linux users. I am a Microsoft convert, Windows SUCKS! With Linux you will spend more time trying to get things up and going than you ever would using windows. If you want to wast your hartbeats getting LINUX to do stuff that windows does right out of the box so be it. First off its heartbeats and yes you might end up spending more time configuring your machine...main point is YOU are configuring your machine and not a sub standard non RFC following O/S. I never once thought Linux would be the "Windows" killer only becasue of a gret number of people who just are not interested as much in computers and how why they work. For those who *do* enjoy delving into their systems and having ALL the control over how things are delegated on a machine Linux has been a dream come true ... free *nix!! Those who can ... do, those who can't either whine or grab a spine and figure out why they can't, and rectify the problem with a solution either with help from others, or on their own. At one time I believed people who didn't *get* Linux and open source were just cattle running with the rest of the "well it works good enough for me" hurd ... I admit thats shallow and rude...Linux just isn't for everyone ... too bad we have to listen to them whine though =o\ if you dont like the o/s and want to complain ... maybe it would be better to join a Windows advocation mailing list and tell them...at least you might get some of the feed back you are looking for =o) -- Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! Linux -Where Do You Want To Go Tomorrow! OpenBSD-Hey Are You Guys Coming Or What? I believe I have read this tag many ways but I like this one (even though I do not have and BSD installs running at the moment) ;-) Lonny Selinger
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The same is true for bashing Windows, this is a Linux list, not "Lets bash Windows, oh yeah...BTW I have this slight problem with Linux" mail list. I signed up to learn Linux, not read about how shitty Windows is. IMO Jaguar Jason Ashman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, you wrote: Jason Ashman wrote: -- Hey Linux users. I am a Microsoft convert, Windows SUCKS! With Linux you will spend more time trying to get things up and going than you ever would using windows. If you want to wast your hartbeats getting LINUX to do stuff that windows does right out of the box so be it. You are delusional!!! StarOffice opens much faster, saves faster, etc. Under Linux. GIMP is faster than Photoshop. Not to mention I never had to shutdown Linux since I installed it as my primary OS. Sure, you have to work on Linux to learn it, but Windows is like AOL - the dumbing down of America. Let's end this thread, and if you want to praise Windows go find a new mailing list! The Dogma chased the Stigma, and was hit by the Karma. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail
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Mark Hillary wrote: Why are yu on this mailing list. well mark, maybe someone will be able to read this and he will be helped. not everyone onthe planet speaks english u know In alio peduclum vides in te ricinum non vides And also Erus meus elephanti corio circumtentust, non suo, neque habet plus sapientiai quam lapis. Mark Hillary Doug wrote: Jason Ashman wrote: -- Hey Linux users. I am a Microsoft convert, Windows SUCKS! With Linux you will spend more time trying to get things up and going than you ever would using windows. If you want to wast your hartbeats getting LINUX to do stuff that windows does right out of the box so be it. -- Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! * Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! Visit My Web Page At: http://home.earthlink.net/~neptuned/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/theneptune59/index.html E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * MHS Class Of 78 Marshalltown High School-Marshalltown,IA USA *
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Not another one. Their just like cockroaches. It's best to ignore them. I think us Linux users have more pride than to respond to this person. He probably doesn't even know how to write a script if his life depended on it. Roman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 8:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Yo Jason Ashman wrote: -- Hey Linux users. I am a Microsoft convert, Windows SUCKS! With Linux you will spend more time trying to get things up and going than you ever would using windows. If you want to wast your hartbeats getting LINUX to do stuff that windows does right out of the box so be it. -- Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! * Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! Visit My Web Page At: http://home.earthlink.net/~neptuned/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/theneptune59/index.html E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * MHS Class Of 78 Marshalltown High School-Marshalltown,IA USA *
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Isn't here a way for moderator to filter this out. They keep coming back like a bad rash. Why on this Linux mailing list? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jaguar Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 3:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Re: [newbie] Yo] Please tell me why this thread is continuing on a -=LINUX=- mail list Jaguar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yo I have Windoze 98 Se installed on a 10 gig hd. Then I have Linix installed on a 10gig hd. seconday drive. My system under windows is a bout an 7. My same system under Linux is a 10. The system just does not stop under Lunix. and there is no way i could rilly stop it if I wounted to outher than to boot under windoze. - Original Message - From: "Doug" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Yo Jason Ashman wrote: -- Hey Linux users. I am a Microsoft convert, Windows SUCKS! With Linux you will spend more time trying to get things up and going than you ever would using windows. If you want to wast your hartbeats getting LINUX to do stuff that windows does right out of the box so be it. -- Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! * Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! Visit My Web Page At: http://home.earthlink.net/~neptuned/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/theneptune59/index.html E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * MHS Class Of 78 Marshalltown High School-Marshalltown,IA USA * The Dogma chased the Stigma, and was hit by the Karma. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail
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Hi Goldenpi, You can go to : http://www.moochers.com/ The got alot of good Freeware there and stuff for Linux also! There is also a link to it on my web page. Take Care, Doug Goldenpi wrote: Well windows does take less setting up. But linux has better memory use. And windows comes with, erm, windows. Linux comes with lots of free software. - Original Message - From: Hugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Yo And Doug you forgot to mention the pretty blue screens you get And all for free NOT! LOL On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, you wrote: Jason Ashman wrote: -- Hey Linux users. I am a Microsoft convert, Windows SUCKS! With Linux you will spend more time trying to get things up and going than you ever would using windows. If you want to wast your hartbeats getting LINUX to do stuff that windows does right out of the box so be it. -- Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! * Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! Visit My Web Page At: http://home.earthlink.net/~neptuned/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/theneptune59/index.html E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * MHS Class Of 78 Marshalltown High School-Marshalltown,IA USA * -- Windows-It Kicks The Penguin's Ass! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! * Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! Visit My Web Page At: http://home.earthlink.net/~neptuned/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/theneptune59/index.html E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * MHS Class Of 78 Marshalltown High School-Marshalltown,IA USA *
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Ya I can go to the MS Web site and down load the fixes for Windows just like we can download the updates and fixes for Linux! Steve I thing your biggest problem is that Bill Gate's is successful and your not! Steve Weltman wrote: Jason, not to be too personal, but if you can't get Linux to run faster, longer and do all this with less effort in Linux than Windows, you are the one with the problem, not the O/S you're comparing. I would recommend a steady diet of intelligent, meaningful and thought provoking conversation, followed up with some IN DEPTH proof that you have Linux experience, and then write something worth reading. I only use Windows (any flavor) because my company GAVE it to me and their proprietary apps run only on it. Otherwise, I use only software that someone can see where it's broke (i.e. open source software, and this means free most of the time as well). Steve Weltman By the way, I wouldn't brag about being from Iowa that much. Flat, uninspiring, quiet, and not happening. - Original Message - From: "Doug" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Yo Jason Ashman wrote: -- Hey Linux users. I am a Microsoft convert, Windows SUCKS! With Linux you will spend more time trying to get things up and going than you ever would using windows. If you want to wast your hartbeats getting LINUX to do stuff that windows does right out of the box so be it. -- Windows-Where Do You Want To Go Today! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! * Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! Visit My Web Page At: http://home.earthlink.net/~neptuned/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/theneptune59/index.html E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * MHS Class Of 78 Marshalltown High School-Marshalltown,IA USA * -- Windows-It Kicks The Penguin's Ass! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! * Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! Visit My Web Page At: http://home.earthlink.net/~neptuned/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/theneptune59/index.html E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * MHS Class Of 78 Marshalltown High School-Marshalltown,IA USA *
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Hi Don, What I get sick of most under Linux is when I download programs that needs to be compiled it seems like most of the time you never have all the right librarys to compile it. Then you got to go out on the web to find it. Then when you try to install them sometimes the system don't want you to because its trying to replace files that some other program depends on. It seems with windows that most of the time I just have to unzip it or get a VB runtime Mod. I do like the pkg stuff with linux. Most of the time they will work. sometimes you need to get somekind of lib mod. Doug Welker Donald P NPRI wrote: Jason, not to be too personal, but if you can't get Linux to run faster, longer and do all this with less effort in Linux than Windows, you are the one with the problem, not the O/S you're comparing. I respectfully disagree. It doesn't take much more than a set of compatible device drivers to make Windows run pretty evenly, it's just that people who buy cheap hardware seldom get such drivers. The Windows experience also includes software (such as multimedia and entertainment) that stresses those drivers and tends to cause such crashes. Maybe now that Microsoft has stablilized their driver spec and vendors only have to write one Windows driver things will get better (I wonder what drove them to do that...) Getting Linux to work with an application set and keeping it patched still requires more computerese than most lay people are willing and able to endure. Unforunatly many of those who are familiar with Linux have by the very nature of things lost touch with this fact, unless they routinely support computer novices. I would recommend a steady diet of intelligent, meaningful and thought provoking conversation, followed up with some IN DEPTH proof that you have Linux experience, and then write something worth reading. Why? He didn't need to spend several weeks reading HOWTO's in order to make Windows display a GUI, did he? He can't read the HOWTO's until he gets his browser working, can he? Oh, and Micron will give him free Unix training with his new computer, except that it's written in Shockware and there's no Shockwave player for Linux, darn the luck... I only use Windows (any flavor) because my company GAVE it to me and their proprietary apps run only on it. Otherwise, I use only software that someone can see where it's broke (i.e. open source software, and this means free most of the time as well). There's that thing about applications again. What are they for, anyway? -- Windows-It Kicks The Penguin's Ass! LINUX-Applications on linux just seem 2nd rate after using Windows, It's memory hungry and slow! * Doug Eldora,IA USA--Home Of The Bad Boys! Visit My Web Page At: http://home.earthlink.net/~neptuned/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/theneptune59/index.html E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * MHS Class Of 78 Marshalltown High School-Marshalltown,IA USA *
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Procmail. Have you met my good friend /dev/null ? Phil On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Doug wrote: Ya I can go to the MS Web site and down load the fixes for Windows just like we can download the updates and fixes for Linux! Steve I thing your biggest problem is that Bill Gate's is successful and your not! Steve Weltman wrote: Jason, not to be too personal, but if you can't get Linux to run faster, longer and do all this with less effort in Linux than Windows, you are the one with the problem, not the O/S you're comparing. I would recommend a steady diet of intelligent, meaningful and thought provoking conversation, followed up with some IN DEPTH proof that you have Linux experience, and then write something worth reading. I only use Windows (any flavor) because my company GAVE it to me and their proprietary apps run only on it. Otherwise, I use only software that someone can see where it's broke (i.e. open source software, and this means free most of the time as well). Steve Weltman By the way, I wouldn't brag about being from Iowa that much. Flat, uninspiring, quiet, and not happening.
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Do an install with: --prefix=/usr/local Or look at the makefile and change the install-dir. Eric MC Jason Ashman wrote: -- Hey Linux users. I am a Microsoft convert, Windows SUCKS! This is my problem, it probably is simple to fix, but nevertheless it is bugging me. I downloaded CoffeeCup HTML to edit my webpage with, tar xvzf the whole nine yards...But, it installed into my /home/"username" file and not into /usr/local/! How do I make a tarball install into /usr/local? Also, I can use CoffeeLinux as root, but not as "username"! I know I have to do something to allow myself access to it as somebody other than root. Gimme a hand! Jay "Every man dies, but not every man really lives." http://www.mrsnooky.com -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GAT d-- s++:++ a- C++$ P+ L+++$ E-- W++ N w--- O? PS+++ PE Y+ PGP+ !t !5 X+ R tv+ b+++ DI+ D+ G++ e+$ h--- r+++ y+++ UF+++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
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-- Hey Linux users. I am a Microsoft convert, Windows SUCKS! This is my problem, it probably is simple to fix, but nevertheless it is bugging me. I downloaded CoffeeCup HTML to edit my webpage with, tar xvzf the whole nine yards...But, it installed into my /home/"username" file and not into /usr/local/! How do I make a tarball install into /usr/local? Also, I can use CoffeeLinux as root, but not as "username"! I know I have to do something to allow myself access to it as somebody other than root. Gimme a hand! Jay "Every man dies, but not every man really lives." http://www.mrsnooky.com -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GAT d-- s++:++ a- C++$ P+ L+++$ E-- W++ N w--- O? PS+++ PE Y+ PGP+ !t !5 X+ R tv+ b+++ DI+ D+ G++ e+$ h--- r+++ y+++ UF+++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
[newbie] Yo Denis a DISCUSSION TIDBIT here.
Well "tweaks" would be more in order from my vantage point, I'm waiting for the "major updates" to take place like: Xfree 4.0, KDE 2, and the 2.4 kernel before I upgrade again. I am one user on a desktop PC with no network, I use a firewall and "portsentry" to keep track of the "badguys" while I'm online. I use a crummy 24K dialup so I need to run a downloader manager to resume broken downloads. I have no need for much internal security, but none the less I run in the "root mode" as little as possible. So there's a short overview of how I use your present product, and what I'll be looking for in the future. Xfree 4.0 promises an end to the "crummy font" syndrome in X, the 2.4 kernel is starting to explore the UDF file system more and I hope will support multi session (packet writing) on the CDRW's that I miss so much! vern -- V3rn waz h3r3! Help! My Linux doc. heap has fallen on me, and I can't get up! ILOVEYOU is a GNUish plot!
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Don't buy a new fan. Your machine is still under waranty. Go to http://www.e4me.com/ As far as Linux goes, I'll get you a copy. The only part of your system that won't work with it is your modem, but CompUSA has a good one right now for about $30. begin:vcard n:Bullough;Bert tel;work:1(888)275-2643 ext 126 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://home.rmci.net/bert adr:;; version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] x-mozilla-cpt:;-1 fn:DirtMerchant end:vcard
