Re: [newbie] nasty upgrade surprise
On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 6:33 am, Lance Cummings wrote: Looking forward to doing that and reporting. Say what one will about MS (and oh yes, a lot can be said), the fonts are not an issue. Stuff is very readable and clean right out of the box. Historically fonts have always been an issue for Linux. Almost all fonts are copyrighted, and so cannot be distributed without a license, and Mandrake *will not* put anything in the download edition which is not available under a GPL or similar license. Recently however the 'Vera' fonts have been released under a free license, and are quite acceptable. 9.1 was thefirst release to include the vera fonts. The second issue is that until recently X was very bad at displaying anti aliased fonts. They would appear very jagged. Recently X has improved considerably and font display is now good. However due to Apple's patent on 'bytecode interpreting' it is not legal to distribute X in the USA with it enabled. So to improve your fonts, then install the freetype2 RPM from Texstars download area, and your fonts will look a little better. (If Texstar has been added as a urpmi source, then just use Mandrake Sofware Manager to install the RPM.) Okay . . . I fired up kmix immediately from an xterm: ERROR: kmix: Mixer cannot be found. Please check that the soundcard is installed and that the soundcard driver is loaded. Four times it said that, faster than you can bat an eye. ^_^ Then it produced the mixer, so it must have finally found it, or it was just pulling my leg to see how I'd react. ^_^ Things seem not muted according to the mixer, but still no sound. And aumix and alsamixer did what? Jean-Luc Ponty and Stephane Grappelli refuse to perform. ^_^ This is a letdown of major proportion. I am opening a bottle of Chablis to properly mourn. Are these MP3's or audio CDs? Playing audio CDs is not the same as getting system sound. There are different issues affecting audio CDs. http://www.jennings.homelinux.net/audio_cd.html derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] nasty upgrade surprise
On Sunday 28 Sep 2003 1:00 pm, Derek Jennings wrote: Historically fonts have always been an issue for Linux. Almost all fonts are copyrighted, and so cannot be distributed without a license, and Mandrake *will not* put anything in the download edition which is not available under a GPL or similar license. Recently however the 'Vera' fonts have been released under a free license, and are quite acceptable. 9.1 was thefirst release to include the vera fonts. One thing I do miss, in the fonts line, is a decent informal script font, similar to Gaze or Cataneo, if you know them. There is one script font in the set with 9.1, but it's not what I really want. Does anyone know of one I could use? I don't want to use M$ imported fonts if I can help it. Under 9.0 I had some big problems with them, displaying fine, but not printing. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] nasty upgrade surprise
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 22:33, Lance Cummings wrote: On Sunday 28 September 2003 01:17, Derek wrote: On Saturday 27 Sep 2003 6:42 am, Lance Cummings wrote: On Saturday 27 September 2003 14:02, yankl wrote: On Saturday 27 September 2003 12:27 am, Lance Cummings wrote: Things seem not muted according to the mixer, but still no sound. Jean-Luc Ponty and Stephane Grappelli refuse to perform. ^_^ This is a letdown of major proportion. I am opening a bottle of Chablis to properly mourn. Lance Possibly cause Mark O'conner didn't how up ;-( __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] nasty upgrade surprise
On Saturday 27 Sep 2003 6:42 am, Lance Cummings wrote: That is *not*, however, something one expects of an upgrade routine. Lance, anything on Cooker is not at release status, and you install at your own risk. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] nasty upgrade surprise
Lance Cummings wrote: On Saturday 27 September 2003 14:02, yankl wrote: On Saturday 27 September 2003 12:27 am, Lance Cummings wrote: I put Cooker RC2 over my Bamboo last night, and I'm pretty unhappy that I did so. ---8--- Kde packages after 3.1.2 got really segmented first try to run kmail from cli. If you will get an erorr message try to reinstall kdenetwork package. Just urpmi kdenetwork as root. Reinstall of kdenetwork successfull, and thankfully mail database still there. whew That is *not*, however, something one expects of an upgrade routine. (I still have to reconfigure my taskbar application launch buttons, which is kind of rude.) ^_^ Can you explain what you mean by 'got segmented'? I understand the words of course, but not the context as it relates to what happened to me. A lot of things got moved out of the kdebase into different packages. Sensible, since many people use KDE as a dektop environment but don't want every single app that starts with a K ;-) (for example, I use KDE for my desktop, largely because I share it with Windows users, but I use Mozilla for mail and browsing, LyX and OpenOffice for office work, and I connect with vdial rather than kppp). Sir Robin -- I can say: 'Thank these bees for their honey as though they were kind people who have prepared it for you'; that is intelligible and describes how I should like you to conduct yourself. But I cannot say: 'Thank them because, look, how kind they are!'--since the next moment they may sting you. - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] nasty upgrade surprise
On Saturday 27 September 2003 05:10 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 27 Sep 2003 6:42 am, Lance Cummings wrote: That is *not*, however, something one expects of an upgrade routine. Lance, anything on Cooker is not at release status, and you install at your own risk. Anne My fair lady. I would call it a bug. Upgrade should recognize that I had kmail and install it. A specially in RC2 that usually a last RC before final. How ever it is not a RC2 or mandrake problem it is KDE issue. KDE start changes in the packaging with out considering the rpm upgrade schema. It like they expect every one to uninstall KDE and then reinstall it from scratch. PS Did you like my poetry? -- Yankl Tiny IT guy. 100 % Micro$oft free. Registered linux users 181086 URL: http://yankele.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] nasty upgrade surprise
On Saturday 27 September 2003 07:15 am, robin wrote: Lance Cummings wrote: On Saturday 27 September 2003 14:02, yankl wrote: On Saturday 27 September 2003 12:27 am, Lance Cummings wrote: I put Cooker RC2 over my Bamboo last night, and I'm pretty unhappy that I did so. ---8--- Kde packages after 3.1.2 got really segmented first try to run kmail from cli. If you will get an erorr message try to reinstall kdenetwork package. Just urpmi kdenetwork as root. Reinstall of kdenetwork successfull, and thankfully mail database still there. whew That is *not*, however, something one expects of an upgrade routine. (I still have to reconfigure my taskbar application launch buttons, which is kind of rude.) ^_^ Can you explain what you mean by 'got segmented'? I understand the words of course, but not the context as it relates to what happened to me. A lot of things got moved out of the kdebase into different packages. Sensible, since many people use KDE as a dektop environment but don't want every single app that starts with a K ;-) (for example, I use KDE for my desktop, largely because I share it with Windows users, but I use Mozilla for mail and browsing, LyX and OpenOffice for office work, and I connect with vdial rather than kppp). Sir Robin Thanks Sir Robin. Yes the 15 or so packages become I guess 25-30 packages in KDE 3.1.2. So good idea is to do following. From command line in cli as root run : urpmi kde. This will give you all packages that have word kde in it. Look at this list and see if you need anything and then urpmi the proper full name of package. -- Yankl Tiny IT guy. 100 % Micro$oft free. Registered linux users 181086 URL: http://yankele.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] nasty upgrade surprise
On Sunday 28 September 2003 01:56, yankl wrote: On Saturday 27 September 2003 05:10 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 27 Sep 2003 6:42 am, Lance Cummings wrote: That is *not*, however, something one expects of an upgrade routine. Lance, anything on Cooker is not at release status, and you install at your own risk. Anne My fair lady. I would call it a bug. Upgrade should recognize that I had kmail and install it. A specially in RC2 that usually a last RC before final. How ever it is not a RC2 or mandrake problem it is KDE issue. KDE start changes in the packaging with out considering the rpm upgrade schema. It like they expect every one to uninstall KDE and then reinstall it from scratch. With all regards to Anne being technically correct, I agree with Yankl. RC2 means Mandrake thought RC1 was good enough to consider releasing, but put it out for one final bug check. So RC2 is probably very near release, having addressed the last-ditch bugs from RC1. Not release, as Anne points out, but darn close. And in any case, any upgrade that uninstalls or deconfigures your e-mail client -- one of the primary apps on a system -- has a bug, IMNSHO. ^_^ That kind of thing is an attention grabber. Lance Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] nasty upgrade surprise
On Sunday 28 September 2003 01:17, Derek wrote: On Saturday 27 Sep 2003 6:42 am, Lance Cummings wrote: On Saturday 27 September 2003 14:02, yankl wrote: On Saturday 27 September 2003 12:27 am, Lance Cummings wrote: I put Cooker RC2 over my Bamboo last night, and I'm pretty unhappy that I did so. ---8--- Next steps are fonts (which Charlie has kindly offered help with) and sound. Anybody know how to get sound (using an Asus P4PE with Soundmax on board)? (Feel free to change the subject line if you reply to that.) Lance The easy way to get fonts is to install the microsoft fonts packages from Texstar Get Texstar defined as a urpmi source by following the url in my sig, and then use your Mandrake Software Installer to install the msfonts and msfonts-style packages. Thats it Done! Looking forward to doing that and reporting. Say what one will about MS (and oh yes, a lot can be said), the fonts are not an issue. Stuff is very readable and clean right out of the box. As for sound. If harddrake reports a driver is installed, then the chances are the sound is working, but your volumes are muted. Mdk 9.1 often installs with all the mixer levels muted. Adjust the levels with kmix, aumix, and alsamixer (you will probably need to install th alsamixergui RPM) One or more of them may be needed to unmute the sound. Okay . . . I fired up kmix immediately from an xterm: ERROR: kmix: Mixer cannot be found. Please check that the soundcard is installed and that the soundcard driver is loaded. Four times it said that, faster than you can bat an eye. ^_^ Then it produced the mixer, so it must have finally found it, or it was just pulling my leg to see how I'd react. ^_^ Things seem not muted according to the mixer, but still no sound. Jean-Luc Ponty and Stephane Grappelli refuse to perform. ^_^ This is a letdown of major proportion. I am opening a bottle of Chablis to properly mourn. Lance Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] nasty upgrade surprise
On Sunday 28 September 2003 01:17, Derek wrote: Get Texstar defined as a urpmi source by following the url in my sig, and then use your Mandrake Software Installer to install the msfonts and msfonts-style packages. Thats it Done! Okay . . . download accomplished. Root did many things, few of which I understood. But I am a trusting soul. To a point. ^^_^^ I will try and install these packages now. I don't know where they are, or what their names are, but I will hunt them down like Al Qaida members. g I shall report back, unless I am killed or severely wounded in this process. It took an entire 180 seconds or so to download ~35 MB. Someone throttled me. g I understand. Lance Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] nasty upgrade surprise
I put Cooker RC2 over my Bamboo last night, and I'm pretty unhappy that I did so. When I reboot after the upgrade, my taskbar buttons have been reconfigured. Some, for example KMail, are gone. Others are new. In my opinion new is okay, I can always deal with that. But I cannot come up with any justification for an upgrade routine that subtracts or eliminates anything I've configured. Moreover, and really annoying, my KMail appears to have vanished into the ether. It is not on *any* menu or sub menu (believe me, I have checked and triple-checked them all), and I cannot find it on the drive (which may be that I simply don't know where or how to look). So I'm rather annoyed at the moment, and e-mailing from Windows. I realize a beta is a beta is a beta, etc. But an RC2 is also extremely close to a release version, and many actually be one. The reason I did this, by the way, is that someone else running a P4PE with onboard sound told me it worked in Cooker. Not mine. So this entire exercise was a waste of time, and has apparently set me back rather than moved me forward. Is one able to trust an upgrade routine from Mandrake? To what extent? Where do you suppose my KMail is? Yes, upgrade was selected from the install routine. Lance Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] nasty upgrade surprise
On Saturday 27 September 2003 12:27 am, Lance Cummings wrote: I put Cooker RC2 over my Bamboo last night, and I'm pretty unhappy that I did so. When I reboot after the upgrade, my taskbar buttons have been reconfigured. Some, for example KMail, are gone. Others are new. In my opinion new is okay, I can always deal with that. But I cannot come up with any justification for an upgrade routine that subtracts or eliminates anything I've configured. Moreover, and really annoying, my KMail appears to have vanished into the ether. It is not on *any* menu or sub menu (believe me, I have checked and triple-checked them all), and I cannot find it on the drive (which may be that I simply don't know where or how to look). So I'm rather annoyed at the moment, and e-mailing from Windows. I realize a beta is a beta is a beta, etc. But an RC2 is also extremely close to a release version, and many actually be one. The reason I did this, by the way, is that someone else running a P4PE with onboard sound told me it worked in Cooker. Not mine. So this entire exercise was a waste of time, and has apparently set me back rather than moved me forward. Is one able to trust an upgrade routine from Mandrake? To what extent? Where do you suppose my KMail is? Yes, upgrade was selected from the install routine. Lance Kde packages after 3.1.2 got really segmented first try to run kmail from cli. If you will get an erorr message try to reinstall kdenetwork package. Just urpmi kdenetwork as root. -- Yankl Tiny IT guy. 100 % Micro$oft free. Registered linux users 181086 URL: http://yankele.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] nasty upgrade surprise
On Saturday 27 September 2003 14:02, yankl wrote: On Saturday 27 September 2003 12:27 am, Lance Cummings wrote: I put Cooker RC2 over my Bamboo last night, and I'm pretty unhappy that I did so. ---8--- Kde packages after 3.1.2 got really segmented first try to run kmail from cli. If you will get an erorr message try to reinstall kdenetwork package. Just urpmi kdenetwork as root. Reinstall of kdenetwork successfull, and thankfully mail database still there. whew That is *not*, however, something one expects of an upgrade routine. (I still have to reconfigure my taskbar application launch buttons, which is kind of rude.) ^_^ Can you explain what you mean by 'got segmented'? I understand the words of course, but not the context as it relates to what happened to me. The reinstall of kdenetwork was slick as a whistle, and the KMail menu was right where I would have expected it to be: NetworkingMailKMail. Next steps are fonts (which Charlie has kindly offered help with) and sound. Anybody know how to get sound (using an Asus P4PE with Soundmax on board)? (Feel free to change the subject line if you reply to that.) Lance Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
