Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel
From: Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Subject: Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:46:19 -0600 On Thursday 27 January 2005 09:27 pm, Mike Chalmers wrote: From: Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Subject: Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:33:27 + On Thursday 27 January 2005 12:03, Mike Chalmers wrote: Thank you both. I went to the web site ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/10.1/i586/media/main / , that Derek recomended. I tried to install several of the 2.6.8 kernel's and I get this message- Some package requested cannot be installed: kernel-2.6.8.1.12mdk-1-1mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied bootloader-utils[= 1.9]) do you agree ? I then tried to install one of the 2.4 kernels and it installed fine. So I do not know what to do? From, Mike Chalmers This is what I meant when I said the kernel might require other packages. This kernel was built for Mandrake 10.1, and because of differences in the two releases it is asking for a package not available in 10.0. I would not recommend trying to install the bootloader-utils package. That will very likely demand other packages ad infinitum. So if you want a newer kernel, then I think you are restricted to either compiling your own, or upgrading to Mdk 10.1 BTW: That 2.4 kernel you installed will now be your default kernel. Your 2.6.3 kernel will be an option in the Lilo menu. You can uninstall the kernel with the Software Uninstall GUI. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Alright, I installed Mandrake 10.1. Does it use XFree 86? If so what version? If not what does it use? From, Mike Chalmers _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ It uses xorgx11 I think it is called. It is basically xfree86 but a branch that uses the original GNU license. XFree86 changed their license and made it a bit of a problem as far as free and open source folks are concerned. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com On the ATI website they have drivers for X.org. The problem is they are for the Xorg 6.8 and Mandrake 10.1 uses Xorg 6.7. Has Mandrake updated to Xorg 6.8 yet? If not are they planning to? From, Mike Chalmers _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 Jan 2005 06:47, Mike Chalmers wrote: Derek, I clicked on the link you posted for the 2.6.8 kernel. I then clicked on the file kernel-2.6.8.1.12mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm and the download box appeared. It gave me the option to Open with the default application (Software Installer). Is that what I should click on? Yes - Software Installer is a gui front-end for urpmi Also, I don't think urpmi is installed on my computer. When I check for it there is urpmq and urpmf. How do I get urpmi installed on the computer? Thnks. Urpmq and urpmf are part of urpmi. Don't worry about that. To understand better what's happening, go to http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/UsingUrpmi which describes the command-line possibilities and what they do. You can easily add and remove software with the gui (which is in Mandrake Control Center) but the command line gives you a lot more possibilities. HTH Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB+Lg0kFAvMr/nNX8RAjlsAJ4zX0nEz7yzIVOWCTdouRlR4tQVhQCfU2cy s7QvYN/aNT+renDzJrCeBfc= =0MKh -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel
On Thursday 27 January 2005 06:47, Mike Chalmers wrote: SNIP I clicked on the link you posted for the 2.6.8 kernel. I then clicked on the file kernel-2.6.8.1.12mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm and the download box appeared. It gave me the option to Open with the default application (Software Installer). Is that what I should click on? Yes Also, I don't think urpmi is installed on my computer. When I check for it there is urpmq and urpmf. How do I get urpmi installed on the computer? Thnks. Mike Chalmers In Linux all system commands are only available to the system administrator (root user). We call this 'security'. A word that will be unfamiliar to anyone coming from a Windows environment ;-) When you use the graphical software installer it will prompt you for the root password so it can invoke urpmi on your behalf. When using urpmi on the command line you must become root user first with the command 'su' (SuperUser). derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel
From: Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Subject: Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:20:13 + On Thursday 27 January 2005 06:47, Mike Chalmers wrote: SNIP I clicked on the link you posted for the 2.6.8 kernel. I then clicked on the file kernel-2.6.8.1.12mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm and the download box appeared. It gave me the option to Open with the default application (Software Installer). Is that what I should click on? Yes Also, I don't think urpmi is installed on my computer. When I check for it there is urpmq and urpmf. How do I get urpmi installed on the computer? Thnks. Mike Chalmers In Linux all system commands are only available to the system administrator (root user). We call this 'security'. A word that will be unfamiliar to anyone coming from a Windows environment ;-) When you use the graphical software installer it will prompt you for the root password so it can invoke urpmi on your behalf. When using urpmi on the command line you must become root user first with the command 'su' (SuperUser). derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Thank you both. I went to the web site ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/10.1/i586/media/main/ , that Derek recomended. I tried to install several of the 2.6.8 kernel's and I get this message- Some package requested cannot be installed: kernel-2.6.8.1.12mdk-1-1mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied bootloader-utils[= 1.9]) do you agree ? I then tried to install one of the 2.4 kernels and it installed fine. So I do not know what to do? From, Mike Chalmers _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel
On Thursday 27 January 2005 12:03, Mike Chalmers wrote: Thank you both. I went to the web site ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/10.1/i586/media/main/ , that Derek recomended. I tried to install several of the 2.6.8 kernel's and I get this message- Some package requested cannot be installed: kernel-2.6.8.1.12mdk-1-1mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied bootloader-utils[= 1.9]) do you agree ? I then tried to install one of the 2.4 kernels and it installed fine. So I do not know what to do? From, Mike Chalmers This is what I meant when I said the kernel might require other packages. This kernel was built for Mandrake 10.1, and because of differences in the two releases it is asking for a package not available in 10.0. I would not recommend trying to install the bootloader-utils package. That will very likely demand other packages ad infinitum. So if you want a newer kernel, then I think you are restricted to either compiling your own, or upgrading to Mdk 10.1 BTW: That 2.4 kernel you installed will now be your default kernel. Your 2.6.3 kernel will be an option in the Lilo menu. You can uninstall the kernel with the Software Uninstall GUI. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel
From: Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Subject: Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:33:27 + On Thursday 27 January 2005 12:03, Mike Chalmers wrote: Thank you both. I went to the web site ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/10.1/i586/media/main/ , that Derek recomended. I tried to install several of the 2.6.8 kernel's and I get this message- Some package requested cannot be installed: kernel-2.6.8.1.12mdk-1-1mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied bootloader-utils[= 1.9]) do you agree ? I then tried to install one of the 2.4 kernels and it installed fine. So I do not know what to do? From, Mike Chalmers This is what I meant when I said the kernel might require other packages. This kernel was built for Mandrake 10.1, and because of differences in the two releases it is asking for a package not available in 10.0. I would not recommend trying to install the bootloader-utils package. That will very likely demand other packages ad infinitum. So if you want a newer kernel, then I think you are restricted to either compiling your own, or upgrading to Mdk 10.1 BTW: That 2.4 kernel you installed will now be your default kernel. Your 2.6.3 kernel will be an option in the Lilo menu. You can uninstall the kernel with the Software Uninstall GUI. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Alright, I installed Mandrake 10.1. Does it use XFree 86? If so what version? If not what does it use? From, Mike Chalmers _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel
On Thursday 27 January 2005 09:27 pm, Mike Chalmers wrote: From: Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Subject: Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:33:27 + On Thursday 27 January 2005 12:03, Mike Chalmers wrote: Thank you both. I went to the web site ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/10.1/i586/media/main / , that Derek recomended. I tried to install several of the 2.6.8 kernel's and I get this message- Some package requested cannot be installed: kernel-2.6.8.1.12mdk-1-1mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied bootloader-utils[= 1.9]) do you agree ? I then tried to install one of the 2.4 kernels and it installed fine. So I do not know what to do? From, Mike Chalmers This is what I meant when I said the kernel might require other packages. This kernel was built for Mandrake 10.1, and because of differences in the two releases it is asking for a package not available in 10.0. I would not recommend trying to install the bootloader-utils package. That will very likely demand other packages ad infinitum. So if you want a newer kernel, then I think you are restricted to either compiling your own, or upgrading to Mdk 10.1 BTW: That 2.4 kernel you installed will now be your default kernel. Your 2.6.3 kernel will be an option in the Lilo menu. You can uninstall the kernel with the Software Uninstall GUI. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Alright, I installed Mandrake 10.1. Does it use XFree 86? If so what version? If not what does it use? From, Mike Chalmers _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ It uses xorgx11 I think it is called. It is basically xfree86 but a branch that uses the original GNU license. XFree86 changed their license and made it a bit of a problem as far as free and open source folks are concerned. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel
(I cleaned up the post to make it easier to read. From, Mike) To answer this question and the similar question from Bill Mudry :- For a given Mandrake release MandrakeSoft will support a specific kernel. For Mandrake 10.0 that is 2.6.3 , and for 10.1 it is 2.6.8.1 So you will not find any updates for other kernels on the update servers. (BTW: New kernels do not appear in the MandrakeUpdate GUI. You will only see them in the MandrakeInstall GUI when you filter on 'kernel') I am not saying that installing a 2.6.8.1 kernel in a Mandrake 10.0 system will not work. I am simply saying it *may* not work because of differences between a 10.0 and a 10.1 system. In the same way, there is nothing stopping you installing a 2.6.10 kernel from Cooker. If it does not work there is no point complaining to anyone. Similarly there is nothing stopping you compiling and installing your own kernel from kernel.org. Just do not be surprised if your system behaves differently. (For example Mandrake includes some drivers not in the standard kernel) To install a kernel from an ftp mirror, simply navigate to the mirror using konqueror and click on the kernel you wish to install. For example, go here for Cooker :- ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/media/main and for a 2.6.8.1 kernel try :- ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/10.1/i586/media/main The new kernel will become the default, but your existing kernel can still be accessed through your Lilo menu at boot time. If the new kernel does not work simply remove it again. What you should **not do** is to declare Cooker to be a urpmi source. Nor should you declare a 10.1 urpmi source if you are using 10.0. If you do declare a Cooker urpmi source, then every time you install software your system will by definition find the newest version on the Cooker mirror and will try to install it as well as all its dependencies. In the best case you will end up installing many hundreds of MB of dependencies and your computer will end up as a 'cooker' system. In the worst case you could get stuck in 'circular dependencies' and get totally confused. It is possible to upgrade from one Mandrake version to another simply by changing urpmi sources (as described in the wiki), but it is probably not the sort of thing a new user should try since there are always a few packages that get stuck in circular dependency. I will leave the issue with ATI Radeon for others to answer since I do not have an ATI card, but are you aware you need to install the proprietary ATI drivers? None of the kernels will contain them by default since they are not OpenSource. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Derek, Ok, This is where I am at. If I patched the kernel to 2.6.10 there could be a problem because I am using Mandrake and that kernel is not made to work with Mandrake. Meaning that the newest kernel I can use is the 2.6.8 kernel that is made to be compatible with Mandrake. There are two ways I want to try: 1.) The best thing to do if I want to use the 2.6.8 kernel would be to urpmi it. Right? I don't know how to work urpmi yet so that is a problem. I think it would not be to challenging to do. 2.) I could also upgrade to 10.1 through urpmi which would give me the 2.6.8 kernel and the everything else that is in Mandrake 10.1. I do not know how to use urpmi though. So will someone give me specific instructions on how to update to the 2.6.8 kernel? I can upgrade to 10.1 by reading the wiki how to, so I do not need a reply on that. Thanks, Mike Chalmers ***The post about installing only the kernel does not relate to any of this. It was something I was wondering at the same time I was working on this. _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel
On Wednesday 26 January 2005 03:48, Mike Chalmers wrote: SNIP To install a kernel from an ftp mirror, simply navigate to the mirror using konqueror and click on the kernel you wish to install. For example, go here for Cooker :- ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/media/main and for a 2.6.8.1 kernel try :- ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/10.1/i586/media/main The new kernel will become the default, but your existing kernel can still be accessed through your Lilo menu at boot time. If the new kernel does not work simply remove it again. SNIP Ok, This is where I am at. If I patched the kernel to 2.6.10 there could be a problem because I am using Mandrake and that kernel is not made to work with Mandrake. Meaning that the newest kernel I can use is the 2.6.8 kernel that is made to be compatible with Mandrake. There are two ways I want to try: 1.) The best thing to do if I want to use the 2.6.8 kernel would be to urpmi it. Right? I don't know how to work urpmi yet so that is a problem. I think it would not be to challenging to do. 2.) I could also upgrade to 10.1 through urpmi which would give me the 2.6.8 kernel and the everything else that is in Mandrake 10.1. I do not know how to use urpmi though. So will someone give me specific instructions on how to update to the 2.6.8 kernel? I can upgrade to 10.1 by reading the wiki how to, so I do not need a reply on that. Thanks, Mike Chalmers ***The post about installing only the kernel does not relate to any of this. It was something I was wondering at the same time I was working on this. I had already given instructions on how to install the Mandrake 2.6.8 kernel. Just click on the link above using konqueror, find the kernel you want to install and click on it. That will invoke 'gurpmi' which is a little graphical application which will use urpmi to download and install it for you. (I am not sure, but this kernel may say it needs to install another package called 'udev', in which case upgrading to 10.1 may be a better alternative) If you wanted to upgrade to 10.1 the easiest way is to simply obtain the 10.1 install CDs and choose the 'upgrade' option when you boot from the CD. Everything is then taken care of for you. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel
On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 15:32, Derek Jennings wrote: I had already given instructions on how to install the Mandrake 2.6.8 kernel. Just click on the link above using konqueror, find the kernel you want to install and click on it. That will invoke 'gurpmi' which is a little graphical application which will use urpmi to download and install it for you. (I am not sure, but this kernel may say it needs to install another package called 'udev', in which case upgrading to 10.1 may be a better alternative) If you wanted to upgrade to 10.1 the easiest way is to simply obtain the 10.1 install CDs and choose the 'upgrade' option when you boot from the CD. Everything is then taken care of for you. Not always. I had problems as lilo failed to point to the right kernels on two updates, even though 2.4 and 2.6 kernels were present in lilo.conf I got kernel panics from both.. It appears that initrd.img and vmlinuz were not accurately updated. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel
From: Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Subject: Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:32:28 + On Wednesday 26 January 2005 03:48, Mike Chalmers wrote: SNIP To install a kernel from an ftp mirror, simply navigate to the mirror using konqueror and click on the kernel you wish to install. For example, go here for Cooker :- ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/media/main and for a 2.6.8.1 kernel try :- ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/10.1/i586/media/main The new kernel will become the default, but your existing kernel can still be accessed through your Lilo menu at boot time. If the new kernel does not work simply remove it again. SNIP Ok, This is where I am at. If I patched the kernel to 2.6.10 there could be a problem because I am using Mandrake and that kernel is not made to work with Mandrake. Meaning that the newest kernel I can use is the 2.6.8 kernel that is made to be compatible with Mandrake. There are two ways I want to try: 1.) The best thing to do if I want to use the 2.6.8 kernel would be to urpmi it. Right? I don't know how to work urpmi yet so that is a problem. I think it would not be to challenging to do. 2.) I could also upgrade to 10.1 through urpmi which would give me the 2.6.8 kernel and the everything else that is in Mandrake 10.1. I do not know how to use urpmi though. So will someone give me specific instructions on how to update to the 2.6.8 kernel? I can upgrade to 10.1 by reading the wiki how to, so I do not need a reply on that. Thanks, Mike Chalmers ***The post about installing only the kernel does not relate to any of this. It was something I was wondering at the same time I was working on this. I had already given instructions on how to install the Mandrake 2.6.8 kernel. Just click on the link above using konqueror, find the kernel you want to install and click on it. That will invoke 'gurpmi' which is a little graphical application which will use urpmi to download and install it for you. (I am not sure, but this kernel may say it needs to install another package called 'udev', in which case upgrading to 10.1 may be a better alternative) If you wanted to upgrade to 10.1 the easiest way is to simply obtain the 10.1 install CDs and choose the 'upgrade' option when you boot from the CD. Everything is then taken care of for you. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Derek, I clicked on the link you posted for the 2.6.8 kernel. I then clicked on the file kernel-2.6.8.1.12mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm and the download box appeared. It gave me the option to Open with the default application (Software Installer). Is that what I should click on? Also, I don't think urpmi is installed on my computer. When I check for it there is urpmq and urpmf. How do I get urpmi installed on the computer? Thnks. From, Mike Chalmers _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel
From: Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Subject: Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:14:42 + On Monday 24 January 2005 05:32, Mike Chalmers wrote: SNIP There are instruction on compiling new kernels in the manual http://doc.mandrakelinux.com/MandrakeLinux/100/en/Command-Line.html/compil ing-kernel-chapter.html But be aware Mandrake apply lots of patches to the standard kernel.org kernel and if you use a standard kernel you might find bits of your system may not work quite the same. Is there a particular reason you want 2.6.10 or is it just for fun? BTW: The latest Mandrake kernel for 10.1 is 2.6.8.1-12mdk and 2.6.10.1-1-1mdk is on the development 'cooker' mirrors. Installing 'Cooker' packages is not advised on a production system as they can have nasty bugs and may require an awful lot of dependencies. derek Derek, I have a Radeon 9800. The driver installs correctly but all the programs go very very slow. I think that upgrading to the latest kernel or one not far behind it may fix the problem. If I can't use the 2.6.10.1-1-1mdk because it is still in the cooker then will you tell me how to upgrade to the 2.6.8.1-12mdk? Thks. From, Mike Chalmers To answer this question and the similar question from Bill Mudry :- For a given Mandrake release MandrakeSoft will support a specific kernel. For Mandrake 10.0 that is 2.6.3 , and for 10.1 it is 2.6.8.1 So you will not find any updates for other kernels on the update servers. (BTW: New kernels do not appear in the MandrakeUpdate GUI. You will only see them in the MandrakeInstall GUI when you filter on 'kernel') I am not saying that installing a 2.6.8.1 kernel in a Mandrake 10.0 system will not work. I am simply saying it *may* not work because of differences between a 10.0 and a 10.1 system. In the same way, there is nothing stopping you installing a 2.6.10 kernel from Cooker. If it does not work there is no point complaining to anyone. Similarly there is nothing stopping you compiling and installing your own kernel from kernel.org. Just do not be surprised if your system behaves differently. (For example Mandrake includes some drivers not in the standard kernel) To install a kernel from an ftp mirror, simply navigate to the mirror using konqueror and click on the kernel you wish to install. For example, go here for Cooker :- ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/media/main and for a 2.6.8.1 kernel try :- ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/10.1/i586/media/main The new kernel will become the default, but your existing kernel can still be accessed through your Lilo menu at boot time. If the new kernel does not work simply remove it again. What you should **not do** is to declare Cooker to be a urpmi source. Nor should you declare a 10.1 urpmi source if you are using 10.0. If you do declare a Cooker urpmi source, then every time you install software your system will by definition find the newest version on the Cooker mirror and will try to install it as well as all its dependencies. In the best case you will end up installing many hundreds of MB of dependencies and your computer will end up as a 'cooker' system. In the worst case you could get stuck in 'circular dependencies' and get totally confused. It is possible to upgrade from one Mandrake version to another simply by changing urpmi sources (as described in the wiki), but it is probably not the sort of thing a new user should try since there are always a few packages that get stuck in circular dependency. I will leave the issue with ATI Radeon for others to answer since I do not have an ATI card, but are you aware you need to install the proprietary ATI drivers? None of the kernels will contain them by default since they are not OpenSource. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Ok, This is where I am at. If I patched the kernel to 2.6.10 there could be a problem because I am using Mandrake and that kernel is not made to work with Mandrake. Meaning that the newest kernel I can use is the 2.6.8 kernel that is made to be compatible with Mandrake. There are two ways I want to try: 1.) The best thing to do if I want to use the 2.6.8 kernel would be to urpmi it. Right? I don't know how to work urpmi yet so that is a problem. I think it would not be to challenging to do. 2.) I could also upgrade to 10.1 through urpmi which would give me the 2.6.8 kernel and the everything else that is in Mandrake 10.1. I do not know how to use urpmi though. So will someone give me specific instructions on how to update
Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel
On Monday 24 January 2005 05:32, Mike Chalmers wrote: SNIP There are instruction on compiling new kernels in the manual http://doc.mandrakelinux.com/MandrakeLinux/100/en/Command-Line.html/compil ing-kernel-chapter.html But be aware Mandrake apply lots of patches to the standard kernel.org kernel and if you use a standard kernel you might find bits of your system may not work quite the same. Is there a particular reason you want 2.6.10 or is it just for fun? BTW: The latest Mandrake kernel for 10.1 is 2.6.8.1-12mdk and 2.6.10.1-1-1mdk is on the development 'cooker' mirrors. Installing 'Cooker' packages is not advised on a production system as they can have nasty bugs and may require an awful lot of dependencies. derek Derek, I have a Radeon 9800. The driver installs correctly but all the programs go very very slow. I think that upgrading to the latest kernel or one not far behind it may fix the problem. If I can't use the 2.6.10.1-1-1mdk because it is still in the cooker then will you tell me how to upgrade to the 2.6.8.1-12mdk? Thks. From, Mike Chalmers To answer this question and the similar question from Bill Mudry :- For a given Mandrake release MandrakeSoft will support a specific kernel. For Mandrake 10.0 that is 2.6.3 , and for 10.1 it is 2.6.8.1 So you will not find any updates for other kernels on the update servers. (BTW: New kernels do not appear in the MandrakeUpdate GUI. You will only see them in the MandrakeInstall GUI when you filter on 'kernel') I am not saying that installing a 2.6.8.1 kernel in a Mandrake 10.0 system will not work. I am simply saying it *may* not work because of differences between a 10.0 and a 10.1 system. In the same way, there is nothing stopping you installing a 2.6.10 kernel from Cooker. If it does not work there is no point complaining to anyone. Similarly there is nothing stopping you compiling and installing your own kernel from kernel.org. Just do not be surprised if your system behaves differently. (For example Mandrake includes some drivers not in the standard kernel) To install a kernel from an ftp mirror, simply navigate to the mirror using konqueror and click on the kernel you wish to install. For example, go here for Cooker :- ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/media/main and for a 2.6.8.1 kernel try :- ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/10.1/i586/media/main The new kernel will become the default, but your existing kernel can still be accessed through your Lilo menu at boot time. If the new kernel does not work simply remove it again. What you should **not do** is to declare Cooker to be a urpmi source. Nor should you declare a 10.1 urpmi source if you are using 10.0. If you do declare a Cooker urpmi source, then every time you install software your system will by definition find the newest version on the Cooker mirror and will try to install it as well as all its dependencies. In the best case you will end up installing many hundreds of MB of dependencies and your computer will end up as a 'cooker' system. In the worst case you could get stuck in 'circular dependencies' and get totally confused. It is possible to upgrade from one Mandrake version to another simply by changing urpmi sources (as described in the wiki), but it is probably not the sort of thing a new user should try since there are always a few packages that get stuck in circular dependency. I will leave the issue with ATI Radeon for others to answer since I do not have an ATI card, but are you aware you need to install the proprietary ATI drivers? None of the kernels will contain them by default since they are not OpenSource. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel
On Monday 24 January 2005 05:14, Derek Jennings wrote: On Monday 24 January 2005 05:32, Mike Chalmers wrote: SNIP There are instruction on compiling new kernels in the manual http://doc.mandrakelinux.com/MandrakeLinux/100/en/Command-Line.html/comp il ing-kernel-chapter.html But be aware Mandrake apply lots of patches to the standard kernel.org kernel and if you use a standard kernel you might find bits of your system may not work quite the same. Is there a particular reason you want 2.6.10 or is it just for fun? BTW: The latest Mandrake kernel for 10.1 is 2.6.8.1-12mdk and 2.6.10.1-1-1mdk is on the development 'cooker' mirrors. Installing 'Cooker' packages is not advised on a production system as they can have nasty bugs and may require an awful lot of dependencies. derek Derek, I have a Radeon 9800. The driver installs correctly but all the programs go very very slow. I think that upgrading to the latest kernel or one not far behind it may fix the problem. If I can't use the 2.6.10.1-1-1mdk because it is still in the cooker then will you tell me how to upgrade to the 2.6.8.1-12mdk? Thks. From, Mike Chalmers To answer this question and the similar question from Bill Mudry :- For a given Mandrake release MandrakeSoft will support a specific kernel. For Mandrake 10.0 that is 2.6.3 , and for 10.1 it is 2.6.8.1 So you will not find any updates for other kernels on the update servers. (BTW: New kernels do not appear in the MandrakeUpdate GUI. You will only see them in the MandrakeInstall GUI when you filter on 'kernel') I am not saying that installing a 2.6.8.1 kernel in a Mandrake 10.0 system will not work. I am simply saying it *may* not work because of differences between a 10.0 and a 10.1 system. In the same way, there is nothing stopping you installing a 2.6.10 kernel from Cooker. If it does not work there is no point complaining to anyone. Similarly there is nothing stopping you compiling and installing your own kernel from kernel.org. Just do not be surprised if your system behaves differently. (For example Mandrake includes some drivers not in the standard kernel) To install a kernel from an ftp mirror, simply navigate to the mirror using konqueror and click on the kernel you wish to install. For example, go here for Cooker :- ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/med ia/main and for a 2.6.8.1 kernel try :- ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/10.1/i586/media/main The new kernel will become the default, but your existing kernel can still be accessed through your Lilo menu at boot time. If the new kernel does not work simply remove it again. What you should **not do** is to declare Cooker to be a urpmi source. Nor should you declare a 10.1 urpmi source if you are using 10.0. If you do declare a Cooker urpmi source, then every time you install software your system will by definition find the newest version on the Cooker mirror and will try to install it as well as all its dependencies. In the best case you will end up installing many hundreds of MB of dependencies and your computer will end up as a 'cooker' system. In the worst case you could get stuck in 'circular dependencies' and get totally confused. It is possible to upgrade from one Mandrake version to another simply by changing urpmi sources (as described in the wiki), but it is probably not the sort of thing a new user should try since there are always a few packages that get stuck in circular dependency. I will leave the issue with ATI Radeon for others to answer since I do not have an ATI card, but are you aware you need to install the proprietary ATI drivers? None of the kernels will contain them by default since they are not OpenSource. derek IMHO kernel upgrade will not fix your problem. However, their possibility to upgrade to next kernel version with no pain at all. DANGER YOU CAN KILL YOUR SYSTEM BY FOLLOWING MY INSTRACTIONS. READ AND PRINT INSTRACTION BEFORE ACTUALLY USING IT. IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND SOMETHING ASK UBEFORE/U USING. 1.Download from ftp://ftp.proxad.net/pub/Distributions_Linux/Mandrakelinux/devel/10.1/i586/Mandrake/RPMS; file named kernel-2.6.8.1.20mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm. 2.Then go to command line by pressing alt+ctrl+f1. 3. Login as root 4. type: cd /place_you_saved_the_file_to. 5. type: urpmi kernel-2.6.8.1.20mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm 6. type: cd /etc/ 7. type: vi lilo.conf (you may need to read man for lilo.conf) 8. check if everithing is ok in the lilo.conf file (it should be) 9. quit vi by pressing esc and then type :q 10 type: lilo 11. reboot by pressing ctrl+alt+del or typing reboot. -- Yankl Tiny IT guy. 100 % Micro$oft free. Registered linux users 181086 URL: http://yankele.com --- To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it.
[newbie] need help patching kernel
I currently have kernel 2.6.3-7mdk installed. I want to update to 2.6.10. I downloaded the file patch-2.6.10.bz2 from kernel.org. I also installed patch-2.5.9-2mdk.i586.rpm. I don't know how to install the 2.6.10 patch. Will someone tell me the command to use to update the kernel to 2.6.10. From, Mike Chalmers _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel
On Sunday 23 January 2005 18:39, Mike Chalmers wrote: I currently have kernel 2.6.3-7mdk installed. I want to update to 2.6.10. I downloaded the file patch-2.6.10.bz2 from kernel.org. I also installed patch-2.5.9-2mdk.i586.rpm. I don't know how to install the 2.6.10 patch. Will someone tell me the command to use to update the kernel to 2.6.10. From, Mike Chalmers _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Unless you like to go through the pain you will be better using urpmi to install kernel. Try to find kernel rpm on rpm repository and urpmi it. -- Yankl Tiny IT guy. 100 % Micro$oft free. Registered linux users 181086 URL: http://yankele.com --- To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel
From: yankl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Subject: Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:57:48 -0500 On Sunday 23 January 2005 18:39, Mike Chalmers wrote: I currently have kernel 2.6.3-7mdk installed. I want to update to 2.6.10. I downloaded the file patch-2.6.10.bz2 from kernel.org. I also installed patch-2.5.9-2mdk.i586.rpm. I don't know how to install the 2.6.10 patch. Will someone tell me the command to use to update the kernel to 2.6.10. From, Mike Chalmers _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Unless you like to go through the pain you will be better using urpmi to install kernel. Try to find kernel rpm on rpm repository and urpmi it. -- Yankl Tiny IT guy. 100 % Micro$oft free. Registered linux users 181086 URL: http://yankele.com --- To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com When you say pain do you mean running multiple commands to install the patch? If so, I would like to do it that way. I do not know much about the urpmi yet and I only want to patch the kernel? So if you or someone else will tell me how to patch it using commands that would be great? From, Mike Chalmers _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel
On Monday 24 January 2005 01:04, Mike Chalmers wrote: SNIP Unless you like to go through the pain you will be better using urpmi to install kernel. Try to find kernel rpm on rpm repository and urpmi it. -- Yankl Tiny IT guy. 100 % Micro$oft free. Registered linux users 181086 URL: http://yankele.com --- To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it. When you say pain do you mean running multiple commands to install the patch? If so, I would like to do it that way. I do not know much about the urpmi yet and I only want to patch the kernel? So if you or someone else will tell me how to patch it using commands that would be great? From, Mike Chalmers There are instruction on compiling new kernels in the manual http://doc.mandrakelinux.com/MandrakeLinux/100/en/Command-Line.html/compiling-kernel-chapter.html But be aware Mandrake apply lots of patches to the standard kernel.org kernel and if you use a standard kernel you might find bits of your system may not work quite the same. Is there a particular reason you want 2.6.10 or is it just for fun? BTW: The latest Mandrake kernel for 10.1 is 2.6.8.1-12mdk and 2.6.10.1-1-1mdk is on the development 'cooker' mirrors. Installing 'Cooker' packages is not advised on a production system as they can have nasty bugs and may require an awful lot of dependencies. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel
From: Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Subject: Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:19:03 + On Monday 24 January 2005 01:04, Mike Chalmers wrote: SNIP Unless you like to go through the pain you will be better using urpmi to install kernel. Try to find kernel rpm on rpm repository and urpmi it. -- Yankl Tiny IT guy. 100 % Micro$oft free. Registered linux users 181086 URL: http://yankele.com --- To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it. When you say pain do you mean running multiple commands to install the patch? If so, I would like to do it that way. I do not know much about the urpmi yet and I only want to patch the kernel? So if you or someone else will tell me how to patch it using commands that would be great? From, Mike Chalmers There are instruction on compiling new kernels in the manual http://doc.mandrakelinux.com/MandrakeLinux/100/en/Command-Line.html/compiling-kernel-chapter.html But be aware Mandrake apply lots of patches to the standard kernel.org kernel and if you use a standard kernel you might find bits of your system may not work quite the same. Is there a particular reason you want 2.6.10 or is it just for fun? BTW: The latest Mandrake kernel for 10.1 is 2.6.8.1-12mdk and 2.6.10.1-1-1mdk is on the development 'cooker' mirrors. Installing 'Cooker' packages is not advised on a production system as they can have nasty bugs and may require an awful lot of dependencies. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com So you are saying that there is not a Mandrake 2.6.10 kernel yet? I have an ATI 9800 video card and it is very very slow with the fglrx driver installed. I thought patching the kernel might could fix this slow problem. From, Mike Chalmers _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel
At 08:19 PM 1/23/2005, you wrote: On Monday 24 January 2005 01:04, Mike Chalmers wrote: SNIP Unless you like to go through the pain you will be better using urpmi to install kernel. Try to find kernel rpm on rpm repository and urpmi it. -- Yankl Tiny IT guy. 100 % Micro$oft free. Registered linux users 181086 URL: http://yankele.com --- To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it. When you say pain do you mean running multiple commands to install the patch? If so, I would like to do it that way. I do not know much about the urpmi yet and I only want to patch the kernel? So if you or someone else will tell me how to patch it using commands that would be great? From, Mike Chalmers There are instruction on compiling new kernels in the manual http://doc.mandrakelinux.com/MandrakeLinux/100/en/Command-Line.html/compiling-kernel-chapter.html But be aware Mandrake apply lots of patches to the standard kernel.org kernel and if you use a standard kernel you might find bits of your system may not work quite the same. Is there a particular reason you want 2.6.10 or is it just for fun? BTW: The latest Mandrake kernel for 10.1 is 2.6.8.1-12mdk and 2.6.10.1-1-1mdk is on the development 'cooker' mirrors. Installing 'Cooker' packages is not advised on a production system as they can have nasty bugs and may require an awful lot of dependencies. Updating my kernel on 10.0 is just where I am and I need advice. I cannot come up with any kernels using urpmq or urpmf even at 2.6.8 and up. This is after updating urpmi successfully to the point this week that I was able to install a huge slew of progams successfully with urpmi with practically no dependency problems. This also included over 800 meg of updates :-). Am I doing something wrong? Please help me know how I can take the easiest and fastest way to upgrade the kernel to the present stable one. I will be pleased to be totally up to date for once but I look to when this is successfully done so I can go on to other things I wish to do. Just a thought. Is there a way to update urpmi only for the kernel?? With thanks. I will try to follow the rest of this thread also. Bill Mudry Mississauga, Ontario derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel
From: Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Subject: Re: [newbie] need help patching kernel Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:19:03 + On Monday 24 January 2005 01:04, Mike Chalmers wrote: SNIP Unless you like to go through the pain you will be better using urpmi to install kernel. Try to find kernel rpm on rpm repository and urpmi it. -- Yankl Tiny IT guy. 100 % Micro$oft free. Registered linux users 181086 URL: http://yankele.com --- To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it. When you say pain do you mean running multiple commands to install the patch? If so, I would like to do it that way. I do not know much about the urpmi yet and I only want to patch the kernel? So if you or someone else will tell me how to patch it using commands that would be great? From, Mike Chalmers There are instruction on compiling new kernels in the manual http://doc.mandrakelinux.com/MandrakeLinux/100/en/Command-Line.html/compiling-kernel-chapter.html But be aware Mandrake apply lots of patches to the standard kernel.org kernel and if you use a standard kernel you might find bits of your system may not work quite the same. Is there a particular reason you want 2.6.10 or is it just for fun? BTW: The latest Mandrake kernel for 10.1 is 2.6.8.1-12mdk and 2.6.10.1-1-1mdk is on the development 'cooker' mirrors. Installing 'Cooker' packages is not advised on a production system as they can have nasty bugs and may require an awful lot of dependencies. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Derek, I have a Radeon 9800. The driver installs correctly but all the programs go very very slow. I think that upgrading to the latest kernel or one not far behind it may fix the problem. If I can't use the 2.6.10.1-1-1mdk because it is still in the cooker then will you tell me how to upgrade to the 2.6.8.1-12mdk? Thks. From, Mike Chalmers _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
