Re: [newbie] Word processor question.
Michael Scottaline wrote:
> Not to beat this to death, but I tried this littl experiment just now. I
> opened a document in AbiWord (0.99.7) that had a .aw extension (from
> Applixware). Went to "save as", and saved it as a .doc file [yes, it's
> one of the options, along with .rtf and a half dozen others]. I then
> closed AbiWord and opened StarOffice 6.0beta. Found the new file with a
> .doc extension and it was identified as a MSWord .doc (even at the little
> M$ symbol next to the file name). BTW, SO opened it instantly and
> flawlessly (SO can neither import or export .aw extensions). Try it if
> you have a 0.99.x version of AbiWord.
Hi Mike,
I agree, I don't want to beat this to death ;-). The version of AbiWord
I am using is 0.99.2 for Windows. If I save a file as .doc and then
open it in a plain text editor (like Notepad, etc.) it starts with:
{\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033
{\fonttbl
{\f0\froman\fcharset0\fprq2\fttruetype Times New Roman;}
Which, to me, indicates it is .rtf and not true .doc. It is possible
this changed after 0.99.2, but I don't think that was the intent.
I forget why AbiWord chose this course for the time being -- either the
underlying import / export library for word (wv, IIUC) cannot export
true .doc, or doesn't do it as well as .rtf.
Or maybe .rtf can be read, for example by more versions of Word than
.doc (as the .doc format has changed with some implementations of Word).
regards,
Randy Kramer
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Re: [newbie] Word processor question.
On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 21:47:27 -0400 Randy Kramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribbled intuitively: >> Yes, yes. AbiWord can export as either .rtf or .doc. It was kword >that I> was pointing out can NOT export in .doc (though I believe it will >in> .rtf). > >Mike, > >Sorry, what I said was poorly phrased. Actually, AFAIK, AbiWord cannot >export .doc, but exports .rtf. IIRC, users on the abiword lists >requested that the .rtf be given a .doc extension by default so that >Word can import what AbiWord exports. > >It's a pretty technical distinction that won't make any difference in >most cases. = Hi Randy, Not to beat this to death, but I tried this littl experiment just now. I opened a document in AbiWord (0.99.7) that had a .aw extension (from Applixware). Went to "save as", and saved it as a .doc file [yes, it's one of the options, along with .rtf and a half dozen others]. I then closed AbiWord and opened StarOffice 6.0beta. Found the new file with a .doc extension and it was identified as a MSWord .doc (even at the little M$ symbol next to the file name). BTW, SO opened it instantly and flawlessly (SO can neither import or export .aw extensions). Try it if you have a 0.99.x version of AbiWord. Cheers, :o) Mike -- "He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you., he really is an idiot." -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Word processor question.
--- Randy Kramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> &eacgr;&ggr;&rgr;&agr;&psgr;&egr;: > Michael Scottaline wrote: > > While Kword can IMPORT .doc files reasonably well > (if they're not to > > complex), I don't believe it can export in .doc > format. The others do it > > well, especially Star and Open Office. > > Not to get too technical, but AbiWord will actually > export in rtf > format, but with a .doc extension -- Word can handle > that quite well > (for the things which AbiWord supports, so far). > > Randy Kramer > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Actually I did the following trick that worked. I open Word documents .doc extension with Kword and then if I want (I use the Kword 1.2.0 beta now it's really amazing with many new features, try it if you like) and then if I want to send it to someone who uses ^+)#)dozes I choose Save as... Text and then I write the name of the file adding .doc in the extension. MSWord behaves as follows. It actually opens the file as text with courrier fonts and then asks the user to save it in the latest Word format. Note that I've been trying this with Greek language docs and all work fine. Cheers Dimitris Ioannou from Greece Do You Yahoo!? &Agr;&pgr;&ogr;&kgr;&tgr;&eeacgr;&sgr;&tgr;&egr; &tgr;&eegr; &dgr;&ohgr;&rgr;&egr;&aacgr;&ngr; @yahoo.gr &dgr;&igr;&egr;&uacgr;&thgr;&ugr;&ngr;&sgr;&eegr; &sgr;&agr;&sfgr; &sgr;&tgr;&ogr; http://www.otenet.gr Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Word processor question.
FemmeFatale wrote: > > shane wrote: > > > > On Saturday 27 April 2002 15:22, Gerald Waugh opened a general hailing > > frequency and transmitted to all open stations: > > > > > women! > > > I love em!, but her box rules! ;-) > > > > the funny thing is i tried to get her to try linux for over 18 months. "no! > > i don't like it the mouse feels all wrong." turns out it is my roller ball > > she desn't like. > > > > after 3 weeks on linux her only coments were "wish it handled MSOffice files > > better, but it sure is fast!" > > > > 2 weeks later she spends a full day at work with high ups at IBM (she is a > > senior VP in tech audit at a major bank, IBM listens to her, why don't they > > listen to me?) telling them they should push linux on the desktop not just > > server cause she hates the man hours wasted on crashes in windows, and > > comes home to find i rebooted into windows to use the scanner. she sits > > down and says "why is my computer in windows? i _hate_ windows!" and > > reboots. > > > > women.. ;-) > > > > -- > > Yes don't bother trying to understand us. I'm convinced we're a new > species ;p > > That or we're just so highly evolved you can't hope to understand where > we're coming from Shane. > > And fwiw, my own lover has driven me nuts too...mostly b/c she acts more > like a man than anything else. Go figure. > > Femme > The solution, shane is to discuss upgrading her machine either to 8.2 with more scanner compatability (if it isn't already) or buy a Linux compatible scanner. 2 incomes should handle that. Michael -- Seleznick's Theory of Holistic Medicine: Ice Cream cures all ills. Temporarily. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Word processor question.
Michael Scottaline wrote: > On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:18:21 -0400 > Randy Kramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribbled intuitively: > >Not to get too technical, but AbiWord will actually export in rtf > >format, but with a .doc extension -- Word can handle that quite well > >(for the things which AbiWord supports, so far). > == > > Yes, yes. AbiWord can export as either .rtf or .doc. It was kword that I > was pointing out can NOT export in .doc (though I believe it will in > .rtf). Mike, Sorry, what I said was poorly phrased. Actually, AFAIK, AbiWord cannot export .doc, but exports .rtf. IIRC, users on the abiword lists requested that the .rtf be given a .doc extension by default so that Word can import what AbiWord exports. It's a pretty technical distinction that won't make any difference in most cases. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Word processor question.
On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:18:21 -0400 Randy Kramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribbled intuitively: >Michael Scottaline wrote: >> While Kword can IMPORT .doc files reasonably well (if they're not to >> complex), I don't believe it can export in .doc format. The others do >it> well, especially Star and Open Office. > >Not to get too technical, but AbiWord will actually export in rtf >format, but with a .doc extension -- Word can handle that quite well >(for the things which AbiWord supports, so far). == Yes, yes. AbiWord can export as either .rtf or .doc. It was kword that I was pointing out can NOT export in .doc (though I believe it will in .rtf). Mike -- "He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you., he really is an idiot." -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Word processor question.
shane wrote: > > On Saturday 27 April 2002 15:22, Gerald Waugh opened a general hailing > frequency and transmitted to all open stations: > > > women! > > I love em!, but her box rules! ;-) > > the funny thing is i tried to get her to try linux for over 18 months. "no! > i don't like it the mouse feels all wrong." turns out it is my roller ball > she desn't like. > > after 3 weeks on linux her only coments were "wish it handled MSOffice files > better, but it sure is fast!" > > 2 weeks later she spends a full day at work with high ups at IBM (she is a > senior VP in tech audit at a major bank, IBM listens to her, why don't they > listen to me?) telling them they should push linux on the desktop not just > server cause she hates the man hours wasted on crashes in windows, and > comes home to find i rebooted into windows to use the scanner. she sits > down and says "why is my computer in windows? i _hate_ windows!" and > reboots. > > women.. ;-) > > -- Yes don't bother trying to understand us. I'm convinced we're a new species ;p That or we're just so highly evolved you can't hope to understand where we're coming from Shane. And fwiw, my own lover has driven me nuts too...mostly b/c she acts more like a man than anything else. Go figure. Femme -- Good Decisions You boss Made: "We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts." - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Word processor question.
There are several, but I've been happiest with Open Office, at openoffice.org. I should warn you that the Spanish version is on a slw server. Saludos, Warren Santa Rosa de Copan, Honduras http://www.srcopan.vze.com/ On Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:13:56 +0200 Javier de Lázaro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi you all! > > I´m looking for a Linux word processor that is able to save documents as > Word format so I can print them under Windows without loosing format. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Word processor question.
Michael Scottaline wrote: > While Kword can IMPORT .doc files reasonably well (if they're not to > complex), I don't believe it can export in .doc format. The others do it > well, especially Star and Open Office. Not to get too technical, but AbiWord will actually export in rtf format, but with a .doc extension -- Word can handle that quite well (for the things which AbiWord supports, so far). Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Word processor question.
On 27 Apr 2002 20:14:13 -0400 Terry Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribbled intuitively: >Javier, > >Supposedly Kword, Abiword, StarOffice and OpenOffice can all do that. >I've used them all with mixed success. Currently I would recommend >OpenOffice...it's quite powerful and will handle MS Excel and Powerpoint >files as well. It's on the 8.2 distro or you can get the latest build >from www.openoffice.org. === While Kword can IMPORT .doc files reasonably well (if they're not to complex), I don't believe it can export in .doc format. The others do it well, especially Star and Open Office. Mike -- "He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you., he really is an idiot." -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Word processor question.
Javier, Supposedly Kword, Abiword, StarOffice and OpenOffice can all do that. I've used them all with mixed success. Currently I would recommend OpenOffice...it's quite powerful and will handle MS Excel and Powerpoint files as well. It's on the 8.2 distro or you can get the latest build from www.openoffice.org. Terry Smith Cape Cod USA On Sat, 2002-04-27 at 15:13, Javier de Lázaro wrote: > > Hi you all! > > I´m looking for a Linux word processor that is able to save documents as > Word format so I can print them under Windows without loosing format. > > Any advice? > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Word processor question.
On Saturday 27 April 2002 05:21 pm, shane wrote: > On Saturday 27 April 2002 13:45, Gerald Waugh opened a general hailing > > frequency and transmitted to all open stations: > > > I´m looking for a Linux word processor that is able to save documents > > > as Word format so I can print them under Windows without loosing > > > format. > > > > Star Office or Open Office > > or if you really have extra cash, go to the codeweavers site and look into > the crossover office setup > > http://codeweavers.com/home/ > > personally i am glad to have no MS stuff on my box (my wife dual boots, but > only to use a scanner, her box, not mine. :) but the choice is there women! I love em!, but her box rules! ;-) -- Gerald Waugh : Registered Linux user # 255245 http://www.frontstreetnetworks.com Front Street Networks LLC - ph. 203.785.0699 229 Front Street, Ste. #C, New Haven, CT, United States of America 6:21pm up 37 days, 1:48, 3 users, load average: 0.95, 1.01, 1.15 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Word processor question.
Star Office... Open Office On Saturday 27 April 2002 03:13 pm, Javier de Lázaro wrote: > Hi you all! > > I´m looking for a Linux word processor that is able to save documents as > Word format so I can print them under Windows without loosing format. > > Any advice? > > Thanks in advance. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Word processor
On Saturday 27 October 2001 20:34, Admin wrote: > Hello: > > Looking for a word processor to use under lm8.0, which needs to be able to > import word documents as well as save in ms word format(if possible). Any > suggestions? Thanks... > > Dexter KWord, Abiword, StarOffice can all do that. AbiWord I think does only word97 documents and it has some terrible fonts which pollute your font collection. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [newbie] Word processor
On Monday 29 October 2001 11:09, you wrote: > Hi there! =) > > I'm just new to this mailing list and I hope you can help me with my > problem. > > Is there any Word Processor that can save output as PDF file? Shall we > say, I will make a document but I will save it as PDF file and can be > viewed like xpdf or Adobe Acrobat Reader. I've never needed to do this myself, just repeating what I saw someone else say a while ago: install a plain-vanilla PostScript printer, and do a Print To File from any wordprocessor to create a whatever.ps file. Then use the utility ps2pdf to convert it to whatever.pdf >From the ps2pdf man page: ps2pdf - Convert PostScript to PDF using ghostscript ps2pdf12 - Convert PostScript to PDF 1.2 (Acrobat 3-and- later compatible) using ghostscript ps2pdf13 - Convert PostScript to PDF 1.3 (Acrobat 4-and- later compatible) using ghostscript -- Michel Clasquin, D Litt et Phil (Unisa) [EMAIL PROTECTED]/unisa.ac.za http://www.geocities.com/clasqm This message was posted from a Microsoft-free PC Help Microsoft stamp out software piracy: give Linux to a friend today.. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Word processor and PDF
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The best way is use latex. Latex come with all the linux distributions, > and if it is actually difficult to learn when you start, in a few days > you will be very glad with it. > > Nowadays we have front-end very good to use latex in linux, for example > ktexmaker2 (htpp://xm1.net.free.fr/linux/index.html). You can easyli > export the file from tex format to postcrip and from postcrip to pdf. In > linux you have also xpdf to see the pdf file, or the linux version of > acroread. Also, depending on what format the files may be in now, AbiWord can import quite a few formats and can export Latex, so this might be an alternative way to get your files into Latex (or LyX or KLyX). Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [newbie] Word processor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >StarOffice 5.2 is a great piece of work. Its problems are bloat and the >integrated desktop (although I've grown used to it over time). Other than that >it is incredibly solid - I've written large documents on it over the period of a >week (i.e. open the entire time) and it never crashed on me. > >OpenOffice.org (that's its official name, since somebody has already copyrighted >"OpenOffice") is shaping up to be a fine successor to StarOffice 5.2. I've >always preferred StarOffice to MS Word, and OpenOffice.org is even better. >Release 638C has some stability problems, but otherwise it is almost complete. >Most importantly, it is actually usable. While it is bloated, I assume that this >is because it is still in development. Hi there! =) I'm just new to this mailing list and I hope you can help me with my problem. Is there any Word Processor that can save output as PDF file? Shall we say, I will make a document but I will save it as PDF file and can be viewed like xpdf or Adobe Acrobat Reader. Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. =) __ www.edsamail.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Word processor
StarOffice 5.2 is a great piece of work. Its problems are bloat and the integrated desktop (although I've grown used to it over time). Other than that it is incredibly solid - I've written large documents on it over the period of a week (i.e. open the entire time) and it never crashed on me. OpenOffice.org (that's its official name, since somebody has already copyrighted "OpenOffice") is shaping up to be a fine successor to StarOffice 5.2. I've always preferred StarOffice to MS Word, and OpenOffice.org is even better. Release 638C has some stability problems, but otherwise it is almost complete. Most importantly, it is actually usable. While it is bloated, I assume that this is because it is still in development. On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 09:16:58 -0600, Joseph Braddock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Star Office can also save in Word's native format. SO5.2 is pretty good. > SO6.0 and OpenOffice are very good. Any of the them will also let you > open/create/save Excel files, too. > > Joe > > On Sunday 28 October 2001 09:01 am, you wrote: > > Admin wrote: > > > Looking for a word processor to use under lm8.0, which needs to be able > > > to import word documents as well as save in ms word format(if possible). > > > Any suggestions? Thanks... > > > > AbiWord is a good word processor, it will be a great word processor. It > > is not finished yet. Currently, among other things: > > > > It can: > > -Open many Word files > > -Save files as .rtf which Word can read > > -Most "standard" word processing functions > > -Use styles > > -Do numbered and bulleted lists (with some bugs or enhancements > > required, last time I looked) > > > > It cannot (yet): > > -Do tables > > -Do footnotes > > -Do outlining > > > > I've tried StarOffice but haven't really used it. It seems to include > > more features than AbiWord at this time. I think it can do tables, I > > know it can do outlining (with a different UI than Word). > > > > Hope this helps, > > Randy Kramer -- Sridhar Dhanapalan "640K ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates, 1981 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Word processor
Randy Kramer wrote: > > Admin wrote: > > Looking for a word processor to use under lm8.0, which needs to be able to > > import word documents as well as save in ms word format(if possible). Any > > suggestions? Thanks... > > AbiWord is a good word processor, it will be a great word processor. It > is not finished yet. Currently, among other things: > > It can: > -Open many Word files > -Save files as .rtf which Word can read > -Most "standard" word processing functions > -Use styles > -Do numbered and bulleted lists (with some bugs or enhancements > required, last time I looked) > > It cannot (yet): > -Do tables > -Do footnotes > -Do outlining > > I've tried StarOffice but haven't really used it. It seems to include > more features than AbiWord at this time. I think it can do tables, I > know it can do outlining (with a different UI than Word). Star Office does just about everything. Unfortunately versions 5.1 and 5.2 were bloatware, taking hours to load and monopolising the CPU. The beta of 6.0 looks very good, though - they ditched the browser and email client and the integrated desktop, and went for KDE integration instead. Of course, being beta it crashes occasionally, but no more than MS Office does normaly, in my experience. Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Word processor
Admin wrote: > Looking for a word processor to use under lm8.0, which needs to be able to > import word documents as well as save in ms word format(if possible). Any > suggestions? Thanks... AbiWord is a good word processor, it will be a great word processor. It is not finished yet. Currently, among other things: It can: -Open many Word files -Save files as .rtf which Word can read -Most "standard" word processing functions -Use styles -Do numbered and bulleted lists (with some bugs or enhancements required, last time I looked) It cannot (yet): -Do tables -Do footnotes -Do outlining I've tried StarOffice but haven't really used it. It seems to include more features than AbiWord at this time. I think it can do tables, I know it can do outlining (with a different UI than Word). Hope this helps, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Word processor
Abiword! -JMS |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Admin |Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 12:35 AM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: [newbie] Word processor | | |Hello: | |Looking for a word processor to use under lm8.0, which needs |to be able to |import word documents as well as save in ms word format(if |possible). Any |suggestions? Thanks... | |Dexter | | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
