Re: [newbie] 9.0 believed to be out (in mild disguise)
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:00:54 +0200, Frans Ketelaars [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It changed: MandrakeLinux-9.0rc3-i18n.i586.iso558368 KB 09/23/2002 09:09:00 PM has now become: MandrakeLinux-9.0rc3-i18n.i586.iso467296 KB 09/24/2002 08:06:00 AM Any info on that? TIA, At first glance, it looks like the first ISO had a stack of RPMs the boot/documentation/tutorial stuff that's also on CD1. Looks like the boot/documentation/tutorial stuff has been removed for the second ISO, leaving just the RPMs. The RPM directory has same number of files same size on the second ISO so I'm assuming that nothing's changed in there... Jon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.0 believed to be out (in mild disguise)
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:20:08 +0100 Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:00:54 +0200, Frans Ketelaars [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It changed: MandrakeLinux-9.0rc3-i18n.i586.iso558368 KB 09/23/2002 09:09:00 PM has now become: MandrakeLinux-9.0rc3-i18n.i586.iso467296 KB 09/24/2002 08:06:00 AM Any info on that? TIA, At first glance, it looks like the first ISO had a stack of RPMs the boot/documentation/tutorial stuff that's also on CD1. Looks like the boot/documentation/tutorial stuff has been removed for the second ISO, leaving just the RPMs. The RPM directory has same number of files same size on the second ISO so I'm assuming that nothing's changed in there... Jon Thanks Jon, Raffaele and Bela! -Frans Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.0 believed to be out (in mild disguise)
From: Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] 9.0 believed to be out (in mild disguise) On Tuesday 24 September 2002 12:19 pm, Ralph Slooten wrote: Yeah, I have just downloaded the 2/3 isos, but I have bad news for those using an old CD writer like me (HP 8100i): The isos are too big for the writers. I have used 700MB CD's, but have never been able to burn over the 690MB's. The first 2 images contain data that is around the 693 and 699 MB's. I have mounted the 2 images, and see quite a few things I would never use. I only need to free up a few MB's per CD. How could I go about properly deleting these to bring down the ISO-sizes to burnable sizes? Mount the ISO, copy the files to a temp directory, delete the couple of files, then remake an ISO. But, how would I successfully go about making a bootable CD? Does anyone have any experience with re-creating Distro-CD's? I'm sure I won't be the only one with this problem, so any knowledgeable advice would be great :-) Greetings Ralph I can not access any servers in England and all the other mirrors are still showing the 9/18 rc3 versions on them so it looks like someone is spoofing or English mirrors have an exclusive the URL given earlier is not accessable any more, at least by my machine. We will have to wait another day or two? -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 I was able to download the three isos in about 3 hours. I burned them all and installed. I am running Mandrake 9.0 on my box (along with windows). It didn't say anything about rc3 or beta. It looks really good. Unfortunately I am still quite a newbie and don't know everything that I can do with it! Doh!! I do like it, though! Travis Crook Visions Beyond Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.0 believed to be out (in mild disguise)
On Wednesday 25 September 2002 10:22 am, you wrote: From: Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] 9.0 believed to be out (in mild disguise) On Tuesday 24 September 2002 12:19 pm, Ralph Slooten wrote: Yeah, I have just downloaded the 2/3 isos, but I have bad news for those using an old CD writer like me (HP 8100i): The isos are too big for the writers. I have used 700MB CD's, but have never been able to burn over the 690MB's. The first 2 images contain data that is around the 693 and 699 MB's. I have mounted the 2 images, and see quite a few things I would never use. I only need to free up a few MB's per CD. How could I go about properly deleting these to bring down the ISO-sizes to burnable sizes? Mount the ISO, copy the files to a temp directory, delete the couple of files, then remake an ISO. But, how would I successfully go about making a bootable CD? Does anyone have any experience with re-creating Distro-CD's? I'm sure I won't be the only one with this problem, so any knowledgeable advice would be great :-) Greetings Ralph I can not access any servers in England and all the other mirrors are still showing the 9/18 rc3 versions on them so it looks like someone is spoofing or English mirrors have an exclusive the URL given earlier is not accessable any more, at least by my machine. We will have to wait another day or two? -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 I was able to download the three isos in about 3 hours. I burned them all and installed. I am running Mandrake 9.0 on my box (along with windows). It didn't say anything about rc3 or beta. It looks really good. Unfortunately I am still quite a newbie and don't know everything that I can do with it! Doh!! I do like it, though! Travis Crook Visions Beyond I am so very jealous Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.0 believed to be out (in mild disguise)
Confirmation: This is the real deal. I haven't burned them yet, but here's the information from eroaster: Volume ID: MandrakeLinux9.0-inst-1 Volume ID: MandrakeLinux9.0-inst-2 Volume ID: MandrakeLinux9.0-i18n-doc I'm still a bit sceptical whether the distro is ready for prime-time yet, but they ARE here. Todd P.S. Mandrake, please don't kick me off your list... :-) Alastair Scott wrote: http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=3353 It can be got from the various mirrors; I'm downloading mine from the fast and reliable UK academic network ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/sunsite.uio.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrake-iso/i586 kindly paid for by the British taxpayer ... er ... um ... myself and others ;) The curious thing is that the ISO files, although dated last night, are still called '...rc3...', but the belief is that Mandrakesoft has done this, as it apparently did with 8.2, in order to damp down a mad rush: the filenames will be changed in time. I also note that the third ISO is 100MB larger than has been in the various betas and RCs; in about nine hours from now I'll find out what's been added. Now to hide under the bed to escape all the complaints from people who wanted their 'pet bug' fixed and find out it wasn't (ouch! - but it had to be said) Alastair Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] 9.0 believed to be out (in mild disguise)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Todd Franklin Sent: 24 September 2002 09:17 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] 9.0 believed to be out (in mild disguise) Confirmation: This is the real deal. I haven't burned them yet, but here's the information from eroaster: Volume ID: MandrakeLinux9.0-inst-1 Volume ID: MandrakeLinux9.0-inst-2 Volume ID: MandrakeLinux9.0-i18n-doc I'm still a bit sceptical whether the distro is ready for prime-time yet, but they ARE here. Todd P.S. Mandrake, please don't kick me off your list... :-) Alastair Scott wrote: http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=3353 It can be got from the various mirrors; I'm downloading mine from the fast and reliable UK academic network ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/sunsite.uio.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandra ke/Mandrake-iso/i586 kindly paid for by the British taxpayer ... er ... um ... myself and others ;) The curious thing is that the ISO files, although dated last night, are still called '...rc3...', but the belief is that Mandrakesoft has done this, as it apparently did with 8.2, in order to damp down a mad rush: the filenames will be changed in time. I also note that the third ISO is 100MB larger than has been in the various betas and RCs; in about nine hours from now I'll find out what's been added. Now to hide under the bed to escape all the complaints from people who wanted their 'pet bug' fixed and find out it wasn't (ouch! - but it had to be said) Alastair Hi All, Just spoken to linuxemporium.co.uk and have just told them about these changes. They had not noticed, but are prepared to supply the 'phantom rc3' versions if wanted. They are downloading them while I type. I don't have a fast connection so I have just pre-ordered the full versions. Thought it might interest someone... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.0 believed to be out (in mild disguise)
Todd, I checked out Alastair's "UK" FTP link and the FTP site directory lists the ISO's as rc3's. I haven't downloaded them as yet. Are you saying that they came down that way, but eroaster recognized the contents of each ISO as being "the real thing"? Alastair, I tried the PCLinux On-line link (even logged in as a member) and it came back with an error message that stated that the download area doesn't work. Can you tell me where else you found "the real things" at? I have looked around some mirror sites (U.S. only) and found all references to the current beta distribution. I ralize that even the new release will have 'concerns', so I am only being anal by saying that I want the full release. Has anyone else jumped on this news and/or has any recommendations or comments on this? TIA T Todd Franklin wrote: Confirmation: This is the real deal. I haven't burned them yet, but here's the "information" from eroaster: Volume ID: MandrakeLinux9.0-inst-1 Volume ID: MandrakeLinux9.0-inst-2 Volume ID: MandrakeLinux9.0-i18n-doc I'm still a bit sceptical whether the distro is ready for prime-time yet, but they ARE here. Todd P.S. Mandrake, please don't kick me off your list... :-) Alastair Scott wrote: http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=3353 It can be got from the various mirrors; I'm downloading mine from the fast and reliable UK academic network ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/sunsite.uio.no/pub/unix/Linux/Mandrake/Mandrake-iso/i586 kindly paid for by the British taxpayer ... er ... um ... myself and others ;) The curious thing is that the ISO files, although dated last night, are still called '...rc3...', but the belief is that Mandrakesoft has done this, as it apparently did with 8.2, in order to damp down a mad rush: the filenames will be changed in time. I also note that the third ISO is 100MB larger than has been in the various betas and RCs; in about nine hours from now I'll find out what's been added. Now to hide under the bed to escape all the complaints from people who wanted their 'pet bug' fixed and find out it wasn't (ouch! - but it had to be said) Alastair Changed your e-mail? Keep your contacts! Use this free e-mail change of address service from Return Path. Register now!
Re: [newbie] 9.0 believed to be out (in mild disguise)
On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 15:11, Technoslick wrote: I tried the PCLinux On-line link (even logged in as a member) and it came back with an error message that stated that the download area doesn't work. Can you tell me where else you found the real things at? I have looked around some mirror sites (U.S. only) and found all references to the current beta distribution. I ralize that even the new release will have 'concerns', so I am only being anal by saying that I want the full release. Has anyone else jumped on this news and/or has any recommendations or comments on this? The clue is the date of the .iso files. If the date is 23 September, it's the 9.0 release (despite the filename); if it's 17 September, it's RC3. Looking at CD 1, there's a file VERSION which contains Mandrake Linux 9.0 Dolphin-i586 20020923 15:18 Also, the burned CD 1 is named Mandrake9.0-inst-1 on my desktop. If it looks like a dolphin, and reads like a dolphin ... it's a dolphin! Alastair signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] 9.0 believed to be out (in mild disguise)
Yeah, I have just downloaded the 2/3 isos, but I have bad news for those using an old CD writer like me (HP 8100i): The isos are too big for the writers. I have used 700MB CD's, but have never been able to burn over the 690MB's. The first 2 images contain data that is around the 693 and 699 MB's. I have mounted the 2 images, and see quite a few things I would never use. I only need to free up a few MB's per CD. How could I go about properly deleting these to bring down the ISO-sizes to burnable sizes? Mount the ISO, copy the files to a temp directory, delete the couple of files, then remake an ISO. But, how would I successfully go about making a bootable CD? Does anyone have any experience with re-creating Distro-CD's? I'm sure I won't be the only one with this problem, so any knowledgeable advice would be great :-) Greetings Ralph -- Homepage: http://tuxpower.f2g.net/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.0 believed to be out (in mild disguise)
On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:19:13 +0200 (CEST) Ralph Slooten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I have just downloaded the 2/3 isos, but I have bad news for those using an old CD writer like me (HP 8100i): The isos are too big for the writers. I have used 700MB CD's, but have never been able to burn over the 690MB's. The first 2 images contain data that is around the 693 and 699 MB's. I have mounted the 2 images, and see quite a few things I would never use. I only need to free up a few MB's per CD. How could I go about properly deleting these to bring down the ISO-sizes to burnable sizes? Mount the ISO, copy the files to a temp directory, delete the couple of files, then remake an ISO. But, how would I successfully go about making a bootable CD? Does anyone have any experience with re-creating Distro-CD's? I'm sure I won't be the only one with this problem, so any knowledgeable advice would be great :-) Greetings Ralph i think you can do it by keeping the bootable iso, and when using mkisofs to make the new, smaller one, you can tell it to copy boot sectors from the original image. this is just the theory, read man mkisofs, you'll find it quick ( commands are listed alphabetically, it's under b for 'boot' ). HTH Damian -- boot into windows? what has smashing glass with footwear got to do with Operating systems? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.0 believed to be out (in mild disguise)
I have an HP8100+ (8100i) writer . I have not d/l or tried to burn these ISOs yet, so I don't have results to compare. After reading your post, I checked the HP website and found that the 'claim' to support 80 min (700MB) CDs, but add the disclaimer that they recommend using HP 80 min CDs. http://h20015.www2.hp.com/en/document.jhtml?reg=cc=prodId=hpcd-write9675lc=endocName=lpg40817 I would be most interested in hearing if others with this version of CD writer have the same problem you do. Erik Ralph Slooten wrote: Yeah, I have just downloaded the 2/3 isos, but I have bad news for those using an old CD writer like me (HP 8100i): The isos are too big for the writers. I have used 700MB CD's, but have never been able to burn over the 690MB's. The first 2 images contain data that is around the 693 and 699 MB's. I have mounted the 2 images, and see quite a few things I would never use. I only need to free up a few MB's per CD. How could I go about properly deleting these to bring down the ISO-sizes to burnable sizes? Mount the ISO, copy the files to a temp directory, delete the couple of files, then remake an ISO. But, how would I successfully go about making a bootable CD? Does anyone have any experience with re-creating Distro-CD's? I'm sure I won't be the only one with this problem, so any knowledgeable advice would be great :-) Greetings Ralph Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.0 believed to be out (in mild disguise)
On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Damian G wrote: i think you can do it by keeping the bootable iso, and when using mkisofs to make the new, smaller one, you can tell it to copy boot sectors from the original image. this is just the theory, read man mkisofs, you'll find it quick ( commands are listed alphabetically, it's under b for 'boot' ). Ok, this seems good news. But the thing is this. I have looked at the man page already, but I don't understand much of it :-( There are some *.img files in the images directory, but I presume these are for floppies. Then there are some files in isolinux, but how and what I would not know. The man page presumes that a person using mkisofs actually understands the components of build-up of a CD; I don't ;-) I was actually hoping that someone with experience or knowledge would explain what to do, which file to use, and what mkisofs command to use ;-) I suppose this is one of those things that once you have done one, you never forget, but unfortunately I have never come remotely close to this :-) Thanks anyway. Greetings Ralph -- Homepage: http://tuxpower.f2g.net/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.0 believed to be out (in mild disguise)
On Tuesday 24 September 2002 12:19 pm, Ralph Slooten wrote: Yeah, I have just downloaded the 2/3 isos, but I have bad news for those using an old CD writer like me (HP 8100i): The isos are too big for the writers. I have used 700MB CD's, but have never been able to burn over the 690MB's. The first 2 images contain data that is around the 693 and 699 MB's. I have mounted the 2 images, and see quite a few things I would never use. I only need to free up a few MB's per CD. How could I go about properly deleting these to bring down the ISO-sizes to burnable sizes? Mount the ISO, copy the files to a temp directory, delete the couple of files, then remake an ISO. But, how would I successfully go about making a bootable CD? Does anyone have any experience with re-creating Distro-CD's? I'm sure I won't be the only one with this problem, so any knowledgeable advice would be great :-) Greetings Ralph I can not access any servers in England and all the other mirrors are still showing the 9/18 rc3 versions on them so it looks like someone is spoofing or English mirrors have an exclusive the URL given earlier is not accessable any more, at least by my machine. We will have to wait another day or two? -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] 9.0 believed to be out (in mild disguise)
Its working for me, I just downloaded the first CD from the listed FTP site.. will burn it later... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dennis Myers Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2002 7:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] 9.0 believed to be out (in mild disguise) On Tuesday 24 September 2002 12:19 pm, Ralph Slooten wrote: Yeah, I have just downloaded the 2/3 isos, but I have bad news for those using an old CD writer like me (HP 8100i): The isos are too big for the writers. I have used 700MB CD's, but have never been able to burn over the 690MB's. The first 2 images contain data that is around the 693 and 699 MB's. I have mounted the 2 images, and see quite a few things I would never use. I only need to free up a few MB's per CD. How could I go about properly deleting these to bring down the ISO-sizes to burnable sizes? Mount the ISO, copy the files to a temp directory, delete the couple of files, then remake an ISO. But, how would I successfully go about making a bootable CD? Does anyone have any experience with re-creating Distro-CD's? I'm sure I won't be the only one with this problem, so any knowledgeable advice would be great :-) Greetings Ralph I can not access any servers in England and all the other mirrors are still showing the 9/18 rc3 versions on them so it looks like someone is spoofing or English mirrors have an exclusive the URL given earlier is not accessable any more, at least by my machine. We will have to wait another day or two? -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.0 believed to be out (in mild disguise)
Ok, this seems good news. But the thing is this. I have looked at the man page already, but I don't understand much of it :-( There are some *.img files in the images directory, but I presume these are for floppies. Then there are some files in isolinux, but how and what I would not know. The man page presumes that a person using mkisofs actually understands the components of build-up of a CD; I don't ;-) i finally found some free time to look for it myself, but i can't find it :o( looks like it's a good idea to re-read TFM after an upgrade... I was actually hoping that someone with experience or knowledge would explain what to do, which file to use, and what mkisofs command to use ;-) oh, no. sorry, not me. :o) I suppose this is one of those things that once you have done one, you never forget, but unfortunately I have never come remotely close to this :-) most likely. anyway, I'm positive there must be a way to copy boot sectors from one ISO to another. i'll dig into it a bit further today. Damian -- boot into windows? what has smashing glass with footwear got to do with Operating systems? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] 9.0 believed to be out (in mild disguise)
Well, I think this is the real thing... I grabbed the first ISO tonight.. (via adsl) and just finished burning it... I haven't installed it yet, but I booted one system with the CD. to see what the install screens had to say.. The date on the install screen was Sept 22. (if I remember correctly) and it made no reference to beta or release candidate... (I have a beta 4 machine here that mentions beta in the install screen.. but I don't know if the RC1,RC2,RC3 disks did the same.) This new one just says Mandrake 9.1 inst 1. So it seems that its the real thing... I'll grab the other CD's tonight (free bandwidth at night.) Then I will try and install the lot If it really is the real thing, I think I know why they do it. (I mean call it RC3 instead of the real thing.) I imagine they would do it in the hope that people don't catch on and the mirrors all get a copy of everything without all the bandwidth chewing of 10,000 users downloading at the same time. Then when its all syncronised, they can simply rename the files and its all go... I am hoping that I can the other 2 CD's before it goes mainstream. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Damian G Sent: Wednesday, 25 September 2002 7:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] 9.0 believed to be out (in mild disguise) Ok, this seems good news. But the thing is this. I have looked at the man page already, but I don't understand much of it :-( There are some *.img files in the images directory, but I presume these are for floppies. Then there are some files in isolinux, but how and what I would not know. The man page presumes that a person using mkisofs actually understands the components of build-up of a CD; I don't ;-) i finally found some free time to look for it myself, but i can't find it :o( looks like it's a good idea to re-read TFM after an upgrade... I was actually hoping that someone with experience or knowledge would explain what to do, which file to use, and what mkisofs command to use ;-) oh, no. sorry, not me. :o) I suppose this is one of those things that once you have done one, you never forget, but unfortunately I have never come remotely close to this :-) most likely. anyway, I'm positive there must be a way to copy boot sectors from one ISO to another. i'll dig into it a bit further today. Damian -- boot into windows? what has smashing glass with footwear got to do with Operating systems? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
