Re: [newbie] 9.2 rc1 experience
well ... as it seems my initial impressions of 9.2 are far less than I had hoped for :-( ... I'm thinking I might not install it just yet on my computer ... and stick to 9.1 yet :-( ... actually I was so dissapointed by the sound card frustration that I considered going back to windows ... or searching for other hopefully smarter distros (low chance of anybody autodetecting more than Mandrake, right ... maybe SuSe) ... in other words .. evil thoughts ... please don't let me fall to the demons :) I've taken a very fast look to the suse 8.2 and I think it's very very nice but I tried only the live cd. Maybe you will not like the idea but I suggest Slackware. They say it's complicated and it's not for newbies... well, I started using it when i was still a newbie (maybe i still am ^_^) but now I'm literally in love with it. You have to work hard and learn a lot but if reading lots of howtos does not scare you, once you have learnt and try do setup something in slackware you are sure it works. And, in a week of slackware I learnt much more than 1 year and half of mandrake. I still love Mandrake, I still install it on my sister's computer and if someone new to linux asks me what to use I have always the Mandrake cds ready to be borrowed, but I think it's a distro that works great at the beginning but sooner or later you want to learn to do things by your own hands... otherwise you would not be using linux ^_^ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 rc1 experience
I hear this argument all the time that Mandrake is great for newbies but once you have more experience, you'll want insert distro here. As far as I can tell, there is nothing in Mandrake that keeps someone from delving deeper into the workings of Linux. It is true that Mandrake has a lot of GUI tools and wizards, but the cli is still there. Out of curiousity, what exactly can you do in slackware by hand that you can't do in Mandrake by hand? Joeb Hello Joeb I know that Mandrake is still linux just like Slackware but the reason why I use Slack now is that turning a Mandrake box into a clean and fast box takes more time than setting up everything by hand. And as far as I have seen Mandrake is much less stable than Slackware. On my sister's computer konqueror crashes sometimes, some other programs crash too and the same sometimes used to happen on my computer when I still used Mandrake. Since Slackware is on my box crashes happen much much more seldom (I don't know why, but I use binaries most of the times even on Slack so I don't think it's a question of compiling). As I told you when I passed to Slack I was still a newbie (and I wanted my box to work faster and little problems like the ones I had with my audio card to disappear) so I don't know what is different between the two distros but Slack runs much faster and all the little daily problems I had with Mandrake are gone. I tried to get back to Mandrake, really... I just thought that now that I have learned I could take something like Mandrake (with all those GUI that I still love) and make it run as well as Slackware... well it's not like that. I don't exactly know what is different but what I see is that Slack is much faster, even more stable than Mandrake and doesn't have many little problems that I had with Mandrake (now I can record voice messages, now my exit sound of kde is completely played before X shuts down, now reboot works while with mandrake it never did... and there are many others of these very unimportant problems that are unimportant but that on Mandrake I could not solve). So I cannot exactly answer to your question, I just talk out of practice. Anyway ^___^ please I don't want anyone to think that I don't like Mandrake, as I wrote it's still the distribution that I suggest to everyone who wants to discover Linux and I am aware that without Mandrake I would have never been able to discover this world myself. Beppe Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 rc1 experience
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 17:56:16 +0200 Beppe [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I hear this argument all the time that Mandrake is great for newbies but once you have more experience, you'll want insert distro here. As far as I can tell, there is nothing in Mandrake that keeps someone from delving deeper into the workings of Linux. It is true that Mandrake has a lot of GUI tools and wizards, but the cli is still there. Out of curiousity, what exactly can you do in slackware by hand that you can't do in Mandrake by hand? Joeb Hello Joeb big snip Most of what you just pointed out was either nothing to do with Mandrake but with KDE, or so unspecific as to not be of much value. I think what it comes down to is, like you said, an experience, and experience is subjective. As Joeb said, it's the same Linux. My install of Mandrake 9.1 has never crashed once, but then again I don't use what I personally see as garbage, KDE, again, personal subjective experience, but there you go. No app has crashed *ever* except for verry beta stuff like the just released beta of MOHAA. Some stuff has locked up on me before, but I just kill it and restart it, and again, that's very beta or even alpha code I'm playing with. Now, about the sound issue...I would be very interested to know how Slackware handles sound differently than Mandrake or any other distro, or how you are able to make the sound work better with lower level fiddling in Slackware. Beppe -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ Wisdom is knowing what to do with what you know. -- J. Winter Smith Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] 9.2 rc1 experience
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Beppe Sent: Saturday, 6 September 2003 11:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] 9.2 rc1 experience Hello Joeb I know that Mandrake is still linux just like Slackware but the reason why I use Slack now is that turning a Mandrake box into a clean and fast box takes more time than setting up everything by hand. And as far as I have seen Mandrake is much less stable than Slackware. snip / FRANKI: I would not be so quick to say that mandrake is unstable, I have used many linux distro's for a long time. (I started with Redhat 4.) Here is the uptime from one of my linux box's. [EMAIL PROTECTED] /root]# uptime 1:21am up 151 days, 22:42, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.06, 0.03 Thats a web server handling 64 IP address's mail server, DNS server and a ton of other stuff.. I have not physically seen the machine for about 6 months.. it just keeps on working.. The only reason I rebooted it last time, was to install a newer kernel. As for not being able to make a small clean mandrake, if memory serves, you can make a 60MB install quiet easily from the install program, don't get much cleaner and smaller then that. There is nothing to stop someone from installing a base mandrake and rolling their own WM's and stuff.. I have done it in the past, but can't be bothered nowdays. rgds Franki Mandrake Gamers mailing list: htmlfixit.com/mailman/listinfo/mandrake-games HTML Perl PHP n stuff.. htmlfixit.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 rc1 experience
I think what it comes down to is, like you said, an experience, and experience is subjective. As Joeb said, it's the same Linux. I completely agree on that and as I said I just talk out of practice. I still consider myself a newbie and I don't know why things here or there work better, what I see is that they do. My install of Mandrake 9.1 has never crashed once, but then again I don't use what I personally see as garbage, KDE, again, personal subjective experience, but there you go. No app has crashed *ever* except for verry beta stuff like the just released beta of MOHAA. Some stuff has locked up on me before, but I just kill it and restart it, and again, that's very beta or even alpha code I'm playing with. Lucky you... I don't think my problem is KDE because I used it on Mandrake and I use it on Slackware and the same packages, save versions, have different behaviors - some on Mandrake crash, on Slack they don't. At least that is on both the computers I made tries on Now, about the sound issue...I would be very interested to know how Slackware handles sound differently than Mandrake or any other distro, or how you are able to make the sound work better with lower level fiddling in Slackware. Tell me which configurations files I need to check and I will tell you. On Mandrake I've never been able to record any file from line-in or microphone, on both the computers I had and on my sister's computer where Mandrake is still on. On Slack it works without needing to change anything, on Mandrake I made many tries and asked to many mailinglists and I never got out of the tries with the problem solved. The exit sound of KDE is cut both in Mandrake and on Slack but while with Slack I could solve the problem giving a play filename.wav command at shutdown, when I tried it on Mandrake what I got was just noise. With Xine on Mandrake was impossible to speed the playback for more than a few seconds without getting the player crashed while on Slack I never had such problems. Most of what you just pointed out was either nothing to do with Mandrake but with KDE, or so unspecific as to not be of much value. In my opinion KDE is everything but garbage and what I pointed out is unspecific but as I said in my email I have no idea about why everything works on Slack and not everything works that fine on Mandrake, I just know it does and that in my opinion is a good enough reason to use Slack. Beppe Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 rc1 experience
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 19:28:07 +0200 Beppe [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Tell me which configurations files I need to check and I will tell you. On Mandrake I've never been able to record any file from line-in or microphone, on both the computers I had and on my sister's computer where Mandrake is still on. On Slack it works without needing to change anything, Now I'm confused. So now there was no effort to get things working on Slack, LOL! I think the point we're trying to make here is that your experience is rather different from the *vast* majority of users. My web server was up for 3 months until the big blackout, Mandrake 9.1 on an old P166 w/ 128 MB of RAM and a bad cmos battery, not handling quite the load that Franki's does (that's putting it mildly...) though. I have never had a single problem with Mandrake that I didn't cause myself, *except* for the sound, which is why I asked, but I guess the answer is I don't know. That's for one simple reason: all Linux distro's handle sound in basically the same way, and have the same issues, some doing it better than others I am sure. I sure would like to know why when I play a movie in MPlayer and then try to run Quake 3 I get no sound, but I do in MOHAA (?!). If Slack or any other distro has some magical way of configuring it's sound server, I'd be very interested to hear about it. -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ God grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change, courage to change the things we can, and wisdom to know the difference. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 rc1 experience
On Friday 05 September 2003 02:36 pm, Anarky wrote: just did an excited install of 9.2 rc1 ... but not on my computer, but somebody else' : my opinions: some interface changes: - liked the blue startup new - hated the fact that they insisted on a fade white to blue when they set it on so few colours that it doesn't look nice - freezed every time I wanted to select a certain packaged from the detail packages (2 times, that is) .. I think it was something like GXedit .. - still no preview of other styles for other WMs at the initial wizard - freezed when I tried to install 'alsamixergui' package from the package installer (though urpmi alsamixergui worked) - still no (easy, if any) way to handle 4 speakers for the sound card Sb Live 5.1 - still no direct working dialup (modem detected, but still although connecting it doesn't look like it's online to browsers) - first I freaked out the nvidia installer said it had no drivers for this kernel .. but it turns out it knew how to compile stuff if it had the kernel source - one time starting MC in an Eterm the F1-F12 keys didn't work .. hat to go with Esc-1 well ... as it seems my initial impressions of 9.2 are far less than I had hoped for :-( ... I'm thinking I might not install it just yet on my computer ... and stick to 9.1 yet :-( ... actually I was so dissapointed by the sound card frustration that I considered going back to windows ... or searching for other hopefully smarter distros (low chance of anybody autodetecting more than Mandrake, right ... maybe SuSe) ... in other words .. evil thoughts ... please don't let me fall to the demons :) Remember, this is still a test system. rc1 means release candidate 1 and there may be a 2 before all of the bugs are worked out. This is not yet a stable OS. Stay with 9.1 and do an upgrade when 9.2 is final. HTH -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 rc1 experience
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 08:28, Dennis Myers wrote: Remember, this is still a test system. rc1 means release candidate 1 and there may be a 2 before all of the bugs are worked out. This is not yet a stable OS. Stay with 9.1 and do an upgrade when 9.2 is final. HTH ...don't ya mean Mandrake version 9.2 + three months of upgrades/fixes ??? Hey, by all means, I spoke out last year and made some comments about not trusting .0 versions - and got heaps of flak back from that...now we're moving to 9.2 and still ain't a word been said... Either which, at least I'm a convert - from RedHat even... stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Shame is an improper emotion invented by pietists to oppress the human race. -- Robert Preston, Toddy, Victor/Victoria Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2 rc1 experience
On Friday 05 September 2003 05:45 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 08:28, Dennis Myers wrote: Remember, this is still a test system. rc1 means release candidate 1 and there may be a 2 before all of the bugs are worked out. This is not yet a stable OS. Stay with 9.1 and do an upgrade when 9.2 is final. HTH ...don't ya mean Mandrake version 9.2 + three months of upgrades/fixes ??? Hey, by all means, I spoke out last year and made some comments about not trusting .0 versions - and got heaps of flak back from that...now we're moving to 9.2 and still ain't a word been said... Either which, at least I'm a convert - from RedHat even... stephen kuhn - owner LOL, yer right Stephen. But I look at 9.2 as the end of the process not the beginning. Like it is 9.1++3months of upgrades and some tweaks. I tried Redhat 9.0 and didn't like the desktop or the update process. So here I am still with Mandrake after nearly 4 years. Is that possible or have I got off a year? It is still fun, even for a non programmer. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
