Re: [newbie] Booting mdk/w98/dos
FemmeFatale wrote: At 11:14 AM 5/27/2003 -0400, you wrote: I think he wants different combinations of FAT partitions to be visible in DOS and Windows. lilo will let the Microsoft systems, when booting, make their own decisions as to what is visible, which is precisely what he does not want. Now there is a utility called letterassign that runs in Windows, (and probably in Dos too, but I'm not sure) that allows you to tell a Windows system what partitions it is to see, and which partitions are to correspond to which so-called drive letters. I've used it with Windows 98SE, and it seems to work. -- hendrik Lets finish this thread. IF he wants partition hiding all the fun usefulness of running DOS/Win98/XP/Linux/another Linux Distro all at once, Use XOSL say fuck LILO. Cause frankly, it sucks for this kind of thing. How do I know? There was an article about it in Maximumpc about a guy who runs 32 (!) OSes. He uses XOSL. Nothing else works. So...take his lead. lord i gotta stop posting when i'm stoned or drunk... my language goes to hell in a handbasket. sigh - FemmeFatale Mine's pretty bad even when I'm not. c u down there? Might be interesting .. Yes, xosl is easy to use as well as doing the job. John _ Envie de discuter en live avec vos amis ? Télécharger MSN Messenger http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/m la 1ère messagerie instantanée de France Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Booting mdk/w98/dos
bascule wrote: actually lilo allows you to hide/unhide partitions as part of its config, you add a stanza to lilo.conf to change the partition type id to the hidden/unhidden version of whatever it is, as an example take an old lilo.conf of mine: ---snip--- other=/dev/hda2 label=winxp change partition=/dev/hda1 set=DOS16_big_hidden partition=/dev/hda2 set=NTFS_normal snip--- i can't remember my particular need for this as i don't have it in my current config but 'man lilo.conf' will give an explanation of what you need bascule Yes, it does too. I hadn't seen that. But it's not exactly generous with details. Thanks. John _ Envie de discuter en live avec vos amis ? Télécharger MSN Messenger http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/m la 1ère messagerie instantanée de France Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Booting mdk/w98/dos
Hendrik Boom wrote: I think he wants different combinations of FAT partitions to be visible in DOS and Windows. lilo will let the Microsoft systems, when booting, make their own decisions as to what is visible, which is precisely what he does not want. Now there is a utility called letterassign that runs in Windows, (and probably in Dos too, but I'm not sure) that allows you to tell a Windows system what partitions it is to see, and which partitions are to correspond to which so-called drive letters. I've used it with Windows 98SE, and it seems to work. -- hendrik Exactly what I want. That's one of the things xosl can do. Thanks Hendrik _ Envie de discuter en live avec vos amis ? Télécharger MSN Messenger http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/m la 1ère messagerie instantanée de France Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Booting mdk/w98/dos
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Tue, 2003-05-27 at 05:33, ajx wrote: Yes, all I did was choose partition, not disk, boot record. (Like Graham's setup, if I've understood right). And the acid test is that it works, at least for booting once. Why, after booting, it leaves its own partition inactive is a mystery. That is fairly weird. You can boot into it once, then not again. Something's definitely fishy there mate. That's what I thought. I'm wondering whether this is possibly connected to your advocating installing Windows on its partition 1st then moving it to the 'back' of the drive - before installing linux at the front? Or is that just a legacy of the 1023 cylinder limit? Thanks for the reply. John Generally, it would be to maintain the 1023 legacy but I have run into issues with modern kernels and distros, and have found that by putting the linux partitions before the 1023 mark (at least the /boot and whatever other partition you have on your primary hard drive) eliminate problems with changing other partitions that live on the primary drive - EXCEPTING Windows - which constantly claims the #1 spot in the partition table (thanks Microsoft). My linux partition is after the 1023 mark - which may be part of the problem. So what you're saying is that position on the disk and position in the partition table are independent - number 1 in the partition table could be number 4 on the disk? That I didn't know. Of course, I didn't need to know it, but then this list is a rich seam of things one shouldn't need to know - but if one doesn't know them one can't do what one wants to do .. Thanks Stephen John _ Envie de discuter en live avec vos amis ? Télécharger MSN Messenger http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/m la 1ère messagerie instantanée de France Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Booting mdk/w98/dos
On Tuesday 27 May 2003 11:01 pm, Frank Bax wrote: At 04:51 PM 5/27/03, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 27 May 2003 8:17 pm, Frank Bax wrote: At 03:13 PM 5/27/03, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 27 May 2003 7:38 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Hendrik Boom wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 10:25:51AM +0100, John Richard Smith wrote: ajx wrote: Graham Banks wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Anybody got a boot setup allowing different combinations of disks/partitions to be accessible in windows linux? I've got two hard disks, the second of which is online only for occasional backups. The first has 5 partitions: a windows one, a dos one and 3 linux ones (in that order). At present I use a boot manager for Windows, called xosl, which manages the dos/windows side of this perfectly. snip I currently have 1 of my computers running win98SE, win2000 (for program compatibility) and MDK9.1 I use XOSL as a boot manager on this machine as I can setup passwords for the different oses and make booting the winblows partitions a little more secure. All I did was to install lilo on the MDK partition that contains the /boot. I then pointed XOSL to this partition, labelled it Mandrake (as the default os of course). I set the bios to boot only fron hard drive and viola! - works flawlessly (did so with MDK8.2 and MDK9.0 as well) I set lilo to boot after 2 seconds and removed the options for the windows boot options. But all you have done really is replace the windblows bootloader with this XOSL loader,and I'm guessing, in the MBR of whichever first partition is Windblows , and then installed lilo as a linux loader in chain loader fashion. Now, perhaps this XOSL loader is more secure than windblows own, but if so I doubt by much, since password configuration to both windblows has been a feature of W98 and W2K from the start.You only have to choose to set it. So why bother with all this XOSL stuff, just let lilo be installed in the MBR of which ever windblows OS is first and chain load as before. I think he wants different combinations of FAT partitions to be visible in DOS and Windows. lilo will let the Microsoft systems, when booting, make their own decisions as to what is visible, which is precisely what he does not want. Now there is a utility called letterassign that runs in Windows, (and probably in Dos too, but I'm not sure) that allows you to tell a Windows system what partitions it is to see, and which partitions are to correspond to which so-called drive letters. I've used it with Windows 98SE, and it seems to work. -- hendrik OK, but I have never had any problem with getting any windblows OS to recognise any number of FAT 32 partition, whether before or after linux partitions. So it must be in DOS itself, but does anyone actually use DOS anymore ?, and in anycase your sayng DOS cannot recognise FAT32 partitions ?, really ? Really. In fact, I don't think win95 can, either. Fat32 wasn't 'invented' then. FAT32 Introduced in Win95 OSR actually. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.m icro soft.com:80/support/kb/articles/q154/9/97.aspNoWebContent=1 And yes people still use DOS. I have a couple of DOS systems being used as dialup routers - more secure for this purpose than any of the network enabled OS's. Frank My mistake, then. I thought win95 was fat16. Anne The original Win95 was indeed fat16 only - and therefore 2G limit. I made a typo - Win95 OSR2 introduced fat32. There were four versions of Win95, three of which support fat32. That fits my memory of it - except that I didn't know there were 4. I only remembered 2. Thanks for clearing it up. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Booting mdk/w98/dos
At 11:14 AM 5/27/2003 -0400, you wrote: I think he wants different combinations of FAT partitions to be visible in DOS and Windows. lilo will let the Microsoft systems, when booting, make their own decisions as to what is visible, which is precisely what he does not want. Now there is a utility called letterassign that runs in Windows, (and probably in Dos too, but I'm not sure) that allows you to tell a Windows system what partitions it is to see, and which partitions are to correspond to which so-called drive letters. I've used it with Windows 98SE, and it seems to work. -- hendrik Lets finish this thread. IF he wants partition hiding all the fun usefulness of running DOS/Win98/XP/Linux/another Linux Distro all at once, Use XOSL say fuck LILO. Cause frankly, it sucks for this kind of thing. How do I know? There was an article about it in Maximumpc about a guy who runs 32 (!) OSes. He uses XOSL. Nothing else works. So...take his lead. lord i gotta stop posting when i'm stoned or drunk... my language goes to hell in a handbasket. sigh - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Booting mdk/w98/dos
snip FemmeFatale wrote: IF he wants partition hiding all the fun usefulness of running DOS/Win98/XP/Linux/another Linux Distro all at once, Use XOSL say fuck LILO. Cause frankly, it sucks for this kind of thing. How do I know? There was an article about it in Maximumpc about a guy who runs 32 (!) OSes. He uses XOSL. Nothing else works. So...take his lead. The great thing about GNU/Linux systems is choice... there are many ways to do what you want to do - if it don't break your setup, or how YOU want to do things - then no problems! When you start to mix things up eg; operating systems - multiple versions of different operating systems - with expectations about how things SHOULD be then I certainly don't have any definitive answersHell I'm still a newbie who lurks and LEARNS and posts about something when I know for certain that it works for me and how I want to do it. If the way I have my setup is broke, . then I'll leave it broke 'cause somehow it works for me. Tom, Joe, Stephen (your advice/recommendations are second only to your incredible SOH,) Anne, Femme - with the pink hair... (and all you guys - to numerous to mention individually - who make this list what it is) keep up the great work. When the reference is made to the Mandrake Community, it is people like you who make it so. I have worked for about seven years in my local neighbourhood for a community organisation and we have a saying...If you want a Community, you don't have to give freely to to make your community what you want it to be . I find myself reading articles where now, I feel I know a response may be appropriate and I feeling confident that I can respond without fear of ridicule. That I can post a response that answers a request, or elicits debate is something that makes me feel empowered. I run GNU/Linux by chioce, and Mandrake is my preference and knowing that you guys are using/learning/living and sharing your knowledge/experience here on this list is something I look forward to daily. I'm proud to use Mandrake and thankful to benefit from being a member of this list. A big thankyou to you all Regards Graham -- Proudly powered by GNU/Linux Mandrake-9.1 kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Registered Linux User #309089 Machine #195076 A7N8X XP2700+ 512RAM Gf4Ti4600 80Gb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Booting mdk/w98/dos
Graham Banks wrote: snip FemmeFatale wrote: IF he wants partition hiding all the fun usefulness of running DOS/Win98/XP/Linux/another Linux Distro all at once, Use XOSL say fuck LILO. Cause frankly, it sucks for this kind of thing. How do I know? There was an article about it in Maximumpc about a guy who runs 32 (!) OSes. He uses XOSL. Nothing else works. So...take his lead. The great thing about GNU/Linux systems is choice... there are many ways to do what you want to do - if it don't break your setup, or how YOU want to do things - then no problems! When you start to mix things up eg; operating systems - multiple versions of different operating systems - with expectations about how things SHOULD be then I certainly don't have any definitive answersHell I'm still a newbie who lurks and LEARNS and posts about something when I know for certain that it works for me and how I want to do it. If the way I have my setup is broke, . then I'll leave it broke 'cause somehow it works for me. Tom, Joe, Stephen (your advice/recommendations are second only to your incredible SOH,) Anne, Femme - with the pink hair... (and all you guys - to numerous to mention individually - who make this list what it is) keep up the great work. When the reference is made to the Mandrake Community, it is people like you who make it so. Whoopscorrection - that should be If you want a Community, you have to give freely to to make your community what you want it to be . Graham -- Proudly powered by GNU/Linux Mandrake-9.1 kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Registered Linux User #309089 Machine #195076 A7N8X XP2700+ 512RAM Gf4Ti4600 80Gb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Booting mdk/w98/dos
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 10:25:51AM +0100, John Richard Smith wrote: ajx wrote: Graham Banks wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Anybody got a boot setup allowing different combinations of disks/partitions to be accessible in windows linux? I've got two hard disks, the second of which is online only for occasional backups. The first has 5 partitions: a windows one, a dos one and 3 linux ones (in that order). At present I use a boot manager for Windows, called xosl, which manages the dos/windows side of this perfectly. snip I currently have 1 of my computers running win98SE, win2000 (for program compatibility) and MDK9.1 I use XOSL as a boot manager on this machine as I can setup passwords for the different oses and make booting the winblows partitions a little more secure. All I did was to install lilo on the MDK partition that contains the /boot. I then pointed XOSL to this partition, labelled it Mandrake (as the default os of course). I set the bios to boot only fron hard drive and viola! - works flawlessly (did so with MDK8.2 and MDK9.0 as well) I set lilo to boot after 2 seconds and removed the options for the windows boot options. But all you have done really is replace the windblows bootloader with this XOSL loader,and I'm guessing, in the MBR of whichever first partition is Windblows , and then installed lilo as a linux loader in chain loader fashion. Now, perhaps this XOSL loader is more secure than windblows own, but if so I doubt by much, since password configuration to both windblows has been a feature of W98 and W2K from the start.You only have to choose to set it. So why bother with all this XOSL stuff, just let lilo be installed in the MBR of which ever windblows OS is first and chain load as before. I think he wants different combinations of FAT partitions to be visible in DOS and Windows. lilo will let the Microsoft systems, when booting, make their own decisions as to what is visible, which is precisely what he does not want. Now there is a utility called letterassign that runs in Windows, (and probably in Dos too, but I'm not sure) that allows you to tell a Windows system what partitions it is to see, and which partitions are to correspond to which so-called drive letters. I've used it with Windows 98SE, and it seems to work. -- hendrik John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Booting mdk/w98/dos
Hendrik Boom wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 10:25:51AM +0100, John Richard Smith wrote: ajx wrote: Graham Banks wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Anybody got a boot setup allowing different combinations of disks/partitions to be accessible in windows linux? I've got two hard disks, the second of which is online only for occasional backups. The first has 5 partitions: a windows one, a dos one and 3 linux ones (in that order). At present I use a boot manager for Windows, called xosl, which manages the dos/windows side of this perfectly. snip I currently have 1 of my computers running win98SE, win2000 (for program compatibility) and MDK9.1 I use XOSL as a boot manager on this machine as I can setup passwords for the different oses and make booting the winblows partitions a little more secure. All I did was to install lilo on the MDK partition that contains the /boot. I then pointed XOSL to this partition, labelled it Mandrake (as the default os of course). I set the bios to boot only fron hard drive and viola! - works flawlessly (did so with MDK8.2 and MDK9.0 as well) I set lilo to boot after 2 seconds and removed the options for the windows boot options. But all you have done really is replace the windblows bootloader with this XOSL loader,and I'm guessing, in the MBR of whichever first partition is Windblows , and then installed lilo as a linux loader in chain loader fashion. Now, perhaps this XOSL loader is more secure than windblows own, but if so I doubt by much, since password configuration to both windblows has been a feature of W98 and W2K from the start.You only have to choose to set it. So why bother with all this XOSL stuff, just let lilo be installed in the MBR of which ever windblows OS is first and chain load as before. I think he wants different combinations of FAT partitions to be visible in DOS and Windows. lilo will let the Microsoft systems, when booting, make their own decisions as to what is visible, which is precisely what he does not want. Now there is a utility called letterassign that runs in Windows, (and probably in Dos too, but I'm not sure) that allows you to tell a Windows system what partitions it is to see, and which partitions are to correspond to which so-called drive letters. I've used it with Windows 98SE, and it seems to work. -- hendrik OK, but I have never had any problem with getting any windblows OS to recognise any number of FAT 32 partition, whether before or after linux partitions. So it must be in DOS itself, but does anyone actually use DOS anymore ?, and in anycase your sayng DOS cannot recognise FAT32 partitions ?, really ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Booting mdk/w98/dos
On Tuesday 27 May 2003 7:38 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Hendrik Boom wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 10:25:51AM +0100, John Richard Smith wrote: ajx wrote: Graham Banks wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Anybody got a boot setup allowing different combinations of disks/partitions to be accessible in windows linux? I've got two hard disks, the second of which is online only for occasional backups. The first has 5 partitions: a windows one, a dos one and 3 linux ones (in that order). At present I use a boot manager for Windows, called xosl, which manages the dos/windows side of this perfectly. snip I currently have 1 of my computers running win98SE, win2000 (for program compatibility) and MDK9.1 I use XOSL as a boot manager on this machine as I can setup passwords for the different oses and make booting the winblows partitions a little more secure. All I did was to install lilo on the MDK partition that contains the /boot. I then pointed XOSL to this partition, labelled it Mandrake (as the default os of course). I set the bios to boot only fron hard drive and viola! - works flawlessly (did so with MDK8.2 and MDK9.0 as well) I set lilo to boot after 2 seconds and removed the options for the windows boot options. But all you have done really is replace the windblows bootloader with this XOSL loader,and I'm guessing, in the MBR of whichever first partition is Windblows , and then installed lilo as a linux loader in chain loader fashion. Now, perhaps this XOSL loader is more secure than windblows own, but if so I doubt by much, since password configuration to both windblows has been a feature of W98 and W2K from the start.You only have to choose to set it. So why bother with all this XOSL stuff, just let lilo be installed in the MBR of which ever windblows OS is first and chain load as before. I think he wants different combinations of FAT partitions to be visible in DOS and Windows. lilo will let the Microsoft systems, when booting, make their own decisions as to what is visible, which is precisely what he does not want. Now there is a utility called letterassign that runs in Windows, (and probably in Dos too, but I'm not sure) that allows you to tell a Windows system what partitions it is to see, and which partitions are to correspond to which so-called drive letters. I've used it with Windows 98SE, and it seems to work. -- hendrik OK, but I have never had any problem with getting any windblows OS to recognise any number of FAT 32 partition, whether before or after linux partitions. So it must be in DOS itself, but does anyone actually use DOS anymore ?, and in anycase your sayng DOS cannot recognise FAT32 partitions ?, really ? Really. In fact, I don't think win95 can, either. Fat32 wasn't 'invented' then. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Booting mdk/w98/dos
At 03:13 PM 5/27/03, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 27 May 2003 7:38 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Hendrik Boom wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 10:25:51AM +0100, John Richard Smith wrote: ajx wrote: Graham Banks wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Anybody got a boot setup allowing different combinations of disks/partitions to be accessible in windows linux? I've got two hard disks, the second of which is online only for occasional backups. The first has 5 partitions: a windows one, a dos one and 3 linux ones (in that order). At present I use a boot manager for Windows, called xosl, which manages the dos/windows side of this perfectly. snip I currently have 1 of my computers running win98SE, win2000 (for program compatibility) and MDK9.1 I use XOSL as a boot manager on this machine as I can setup passwords for the different oses and make booting the winblows partitions a little more secure. All I did was to install lilo on the MDK partition that contains the /boot. I then pointed XOSL to this partition, labelled it Mandrake (as the default os of course). I set the bios to boot only fron hard drive and viola! - works flawlessly (did so with MDK8.2 and MDK9.0 as well) I set lilo to boot after 2 seconds and removed the options for the windows boot options. But all you have done really is replace the windblows bootloader with this XOSL loader,and I'm guessing, in the MBR of whichever first partition is Windblows , and then installed lilo as a linux loader in chain loader fashion. Now, perhaps this XOSL loader is more secure than windblows own, but if so I doubt by much, since password configuration to both windblows has been a feature of W98 and W2K from the start.You only have to choose to set it. So why bother with all this XOSL stuff, just let lilo be installed in the MBR of which ever windblows OS is first and chain load as before. I think he wants different combinations of FAT partitions to be visible in DOS and Windows. lilo will let the Microsoft systems, when booting, make their own decisions as to what is visible, which is precisely what he does not want. Now there is a utility called letterassign that runs in Windows, (and probably in Dos too, but I'm not sure) that allows you to tell a Windows system what partitions it is to see, and which partitions are to correspond to which so-called drive letters. I've used it with Windows 98SE, and it seems to work. -- hendrik OK, but I have never had any problem with getting any windblows OS to recognise any number of FAT 32 partition, whether before or after linux partitions. So it must be in DOS itself, but does anyone actually use DOS anymore ?, and in anycase your sayng DOS cannot recognise FAT32 partitions ?, really ? Really. In fact, I don't think win95 can, either. Fat32 wasn't 'invented' then. FAT32 Introduced in Win95 OSR actually. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/q154/9/97.aspNoWebContent=1 And yes people still use DOS. I have a couple of DOS systems being used as dialup routers - more secure for this purpose than any of the network enabled OS's. Frank Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Booting mdk/w98/dos
actually lilo allows you to hide/unhide partitions as part of its config, you add a stanza to lilo.conf to change the partition type id to the hidden/unhidden version of whatever it is, as an example take an old lilo.conf of mine: ---snip--- other=/dev/hda2 label=winxp change partition=/dev/hda1 set=DOS16_big_hidden partition=/dev/hda2 set=NTFS_normal snip--- i can't remember my particular need for this as i don't have it in my current config but 'man lilo.conf' will give an explanation of what you need bascule On Tuesday 27 May 2003 4:14 pm, Hendrik Boom wrote: I think he wants different combinations of FAT partitions to be visible in DOS and Windows. lilo will let the Microsoft systems, when booting, make their own decisions as to what is visible, which is precisely what he does not want. Now there is a utility called letterassign that runs in Windows, (and probably in Dos too, but I'm not sure) that allows you to tell a Windows system what partitions it is to see, and which partitions are to correspond to which so-called drive letters. I've used it with Windows 98SE, and it seems to work. -- Yes, it's the right planet, all right, he said again. Right planet, wrong universe. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Booting mdk/w98/dos
On Tuesday 27 May 2003 8:17 pm, Frank Bax wrote: At 03:13 PM 5/27/03, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 27 May 2003 7:38 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Hendrik Boom wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 10:25:51AM +0100, John Richard Smith wrote: ajx wrote: Graham Banks wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Anybody got a boot setup allowing different combinations of disks/partitions to be accessible in windows linux? I've got two hard disks, the second of which is online only for occasional backups. The first has 5 partitions: a windows one, a dos one and 3 linux ones (in that order). At present I use a boot manager for Windows, called xosl, which manages the dos/windows side of this perfectly. snip I currently have 1 of my computers running win98SE, win2000 (for program compatibility) and MDK9.1 I use XOSL as a boot manager on this machine as I can setup passwords for the different oses and make booting the winblows partitions a little more secure. All I did was to install lilo on the MDK partition that contains the /boot. I then pointed XOSL to this partition, labelled it Mandrake (as the default os of course). I set the bios to boot only fron hard drive and viola! - works flawlessly (did so with MDK8.2 and MDK9.0 as well) I set lilo to boot after 2 seconds and removed the options for the windows boot options. But all you have done really is replace the windblows bootloader with this XOSL loader,and I'm guessing, in the MBR of whichever first partition is Windblows , and then installed lilo as a linux loader in chain loader fashion. Now, perhaps this XOSL loader is more secure than windblows own, but if so I doubt by much, since password configuration to both windblows has been a feature of W98 and W2K from the start.You only have to choose to set it. So why bother with all this XOSL stuff, just let lilo be installed in the MBR of which ever windblows OS is first and chain load as before. I think he wants different combinations of FAT partitions to be visible in DOS and Windows. lilo will let the Microsoft systems, when booting, make their own decisions as to what is visible, which is precisely what he does not want. Now there is a utility called letterassign that runs in Windows, (and probably in Dos too, but I'm not sure) that allows you to tell a Windows system what partitions it is to see, and which partitions are to correspond to which so-called drive letters. I've used it with Windows 98SE, and it seems to work. -- hendrik OK, but I have never had any problem with getting any windblows OS to recognise any number of FAT 32 partition, whether before or after linux partitions. So it must be in DOS itself, but does anyone actually use DOS anymore ?, and in anycase your sayng DOS cannot recognise FAT32 partitions ?, really ? Really. In fact, I don't think win95 can, either. Fat32 wasn't 'invented' then. FAT32 Introduced in Win95 OSR actually. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.micro soft.com:80/support/kb/articles/q154/9/97.aspNoWebContent=1 And yes people still use DOS. I have a couple of DOS systems being used as dialup routers - more secure for this purpose than any of the network enabled OS's. Frank My mistake, then. I thought win95 was fat16. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Booting mdk/w98/dos
On Tuesday May 27 2003 02:17 pm, Frank Bax wrote: FAT32 Introduced in Win95 OSR actually. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.mic rosoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/q154/9/97.aspNoWebContent=1 And yes people still use DOS. I have a couple of DOS systems being used as dialup routers - more secure for this purpose than any of the network enabled OS's. Frank Fat32 was an option to be tested, starting with early W95 beta builds, circa late 1994. I used it. IIRC, it was build 490 or so when it was introduced along with a utility to convert. I never had any problems with it, many didn't. So it became the newer standard M$ crud for a while while Billy was tryin to merge Winsux with NT. 'Course this was about the time I found a better real OS and file system. Linux. 'Course now'adays even ext2 or 3 sux ... I prefer ReiserFS. Still I havt'a admit my first taste of linux was a 'linux on DOS' distro. zipSlack IIRC. Many are still available includin one that's Mandrake based. Run well, but slower on Billy's stolen file system, M$DOS. MOF, phatlinux (on DOS) was my first look at Mandrake 6.0 and KDE, while I had a RH 5 install goin on a 2nd drive. Never looked back ;) Wiped RH and got Mandrake. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Booting mdk/w98/dos
On Tue, 2003-05-27 at 05:33, ajx wrote: Yes, all I did was choose partition, not disk, boot record. (Like Graham's setup, if I've understood right). And the acid test is that it works, at least for booting once. Why, after booting, it leaves its own partition inactive is a mystery. That is fairly weird. You can boot into it once, then not again. Something's definitely fishy there mate. I'm wondering whether this is possibly connected to your advocating installing Windows on its partition 1st then moving it to the 'back' of the drive - before installing linux at the front? Or is that just a legacy of the 1023 cylinder limit? Thanks for the reply. John Generally, it would be to maintain the 1023 legacy but I have run into issues with modern kernels and distros, and have found that by putting the linux partitions before the 1023 mark (at least the /boot and whatever other partition you have on your primary hard drive) eliminate problems with changing other partitions that live on the primary drive - EXCEPTING Windows - which constantly claims the #1 spot in the partition table (thanks Microsoft). -- Wed May 28 07:25:00 EST 2003 07:25:00 up 9:58, 3 users, load average: 0.02, 0.15, 0.16 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Before Xerox, five carbons were the maximum extension of anybody's ego. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Booting mdk/w98/dos
At 04:51 PM 5/27/03, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 27 May 2003 8:17 pm, Frank Bax wrote: At 03:13 PM 5/27/03, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 27 May 2003 7:38 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: Hendrik Boom wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 10:25:51AM +0100, John Richard Smith wrote: ajx wrote: Graham Banks wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Anybody got a boot setup allowing different combinations of disks/partitions to be accessible in windows linux? I've got two hard disks, the second of which is online only for occasional backups. The first has 5 partitions: a windows one, a dos one and 3 linux ones (in that order). At present I use a boot manager for Windows, called xosl, which manages the dos/windows side of this perfectly. snip I currently have 1 of my computers running win98SE, win2000 (for program compatibility) and MDK9.1 I use XOSL as a boot manager on this machine as I can setup passwords for the different oses and make booting the winblows partitions a little more secure. All I did was to install lilo on the MDK partition that contains the /boot. I then pointed XOSL to this partition, labelled it Mandrake (as the default os of course). I set the bios to boot only fron hard drive and viola! - works flawlessly (did so with MDK8.2 and MDK9.0 as well) I set lilo to boot after 2 seconds and removed the options for the windows boot options. But all you have done really is replace the windblows bootloader with this XOSL loader,and I'm guessing, in the MBR of whichever first partition is Windblows , and then installed lilo as a linux loader in chain loader fashion. Now, perhaps this XOSL loader is more secure than windblows own, but if so I doubt by much, since password configuration to both windblows has been a feature of W98 and W2K from the start.You only have to choose to set it. So why bother with all this XOSL stuff, just let lilo be installed in the MBR of which ever windblows OS is first and chain load as before. I think he wants different combinations of FAT partitions to be visible in DOS and Windows. lilo will let the Microsoft systems, when booting, make their own decisions as to what is visible, which is precisely what he does not want. Now there is a utility called letterassign that runs in Windows, (and probably in Dos too, but I'm not sure) that allows you to tell a Windows system what partitions it is to see, and which partitions are to correspond to which so-called drive letters. I've used it with Windows 98SE, and it seems to work. -- hendrik OK, but I have never had any problem with getting any windblows OS to recognise any number of FAT 32 partition, whether before or after linux partitions. So it must be in DOS itself, but does anyone actually use DOS anymore ?, and in anycase your sayng DOS cannot recognise FAT32 partitions ?, really ? Really. In fact, I don't think win95 can, either. Fat32 wasn't 'invented' then. FAT32 Introduced in Win95 OSR actually. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.micro soft.com:80/support/kb/articles/q154/9/97.aspNoWebContent=1 And yes people still use DOS. I have a couple of DOS systems being used as dialup routers - more secure for this purpose than any of the network enabled OS's. Frank My mistake, then. I thought win95 was fat16. Anne The original Win95 was indeed fat16 only - and therefore 2G limit. I made a typo - Win95 OSR2 introduced fat32. There were four versions of Win95, three of which support fat32. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
