Re: [newbie] Bootsplash in 9.0
On Sat, 2003-01-04 at 05:32, Ronald J. Hall wrote: I hear ya Tom. I've had to use Nvidia because it *works* as the only other choice was to dual-boot with Windows - and I personally found that to be a choice I couldn't make. Just as soon as ATI's new open driver stuff is close enough to Nvidia to be useable, I'll be more than happy (and relieved) to pull out the 'ole credit card and buy 3 cards to replace the Nvidia's here... I 'xpect y'all be sending them thar Nvidia's down here then, ya reckon Mr. Hall? moment of wistful thinking here mayperhaps Nvidia will see Linux users switching to ATI because of the open source situation and *finally* release the code to their drivers! :-) I think NVidia's going to surprise people shortly - and they KNOW about the linux market, mates...don't let 'em have ya hoodwinked there... -- Sat Jan 4 21:40:00 EST 2003 9:40pm up 48 min, 3 users, load average: 0.68, 0.31, 0.26 kuhn media australia - kma.0catch.com - stephen kuhn - katherine kuhn - berkeley, nsw, au email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 5483808 - mobile: 0410-728-389 -PC/Mac/Linux/Consulting/eMarketing- * linux user: 267497 * rh 7.3+ * Trust me. I know what I'm doing. -- Sledge Hammer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Bootsplash in 9.0
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sat, 2003-01-04 at 05:32, Ronald J. Hall wrote: I hear ya Tom. I've had to use Nvidia because it *works* as the only other choice was to dual-boot with Windows - and I personally found that to be a choice I couldn't make. Just as soon as ATI's new open driver stuff is close enough to Nvidia to be useable, I'll be more than happy (and relieved) to pull out the 'ole credit card and buy 3 cards to replace the Nvidia's here... I 'xpect y'all be sending them thar Nvidia's down here then, ya reckon Mr. Hall? moment of wistful thinking here mayperhaps Nvidia will see Linux users switching to ATI because of the open source situation and *finally* release the code to their drivers! :-) I think NVidia's going to surprise people shortly - and they KNOW about the linux market, mates...don't let 'em have ya hoodwinked there... Whatever else Nvidia may or may not be at least they do support us in linux even if their drivers are not open source . My tvout in geforce 3 and would not work without their driver, and if I'm using one ot nvidia's cards I've bought the right to use their drivers. I, for one, am greatful for small mercies. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Bootsplash in 9.0
On Friday January 3 2003 12:32 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: Just as soon as ATI's new open driver stuff is close enough to Nvidia to be useable, I'll be more than happy (and relieved) to pull out the 'ole credit card and buy 3 cards to replace the Nvidia's here... moment of wistful thinking here mayperhaps Nvidia will see Linux users switching to ATI because of the open source situation and *finally* release the code to their drivers! :-) I know, I know...still, we can hope! Altho the PR cop out most hardware vendors give is that they can't release source and still protect their intellectual property, that's disingenuos at best. The main reason is their existing licensing aggreements, NDA's, and contracts, particularly with Micro$oft, prohibit it. ATI uses the excuse, as does nVidia, it's complete B$. They both out source their chip production to the same Taiwanese foundry. So there's some people in Taiwan that have the hardware plans and specs for both. The Linux ATI situation is practically as bad as the nVidia one. By the time they get working open source drivers out for their newest cards, the cards are obsolete. I think we'd all be better off putting our hopes in the XFree people. As it is now, they've got GLX and openGL hardware acceleration implemented in their open source driver for nVidia cards thanks to help from SGI and the Mesa Project (XF-4.3). Just need to get direct rendering going. Maybe they've already got that figured out too, but are afraid of patent infringments ? Last thing they need to do is give M$ a shot at crippling them with lawsuits. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Bootsplash in 9.0
On Saturday 04 January 2003 01:58 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: snip This will be interesting because it will tell us how much emphasis Nvidia is placing on the VESA modes. Probably more than alot of companies but not more than last time. --LX I saved your reply - I'll try it in the next day or 2 - its late now. :-) Thanks for all your help! -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Bootsplash in 9.0
On Thursday 02 January 2003 08:57 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: I didn't see much console speed difference between the modes. Since I've got a 20 monitor, I just left mine in 0x31A. ;) Now I can go to vc/1, then cd to /usr/bin and halfway see a respectable amount all at once with an ls. g It's the bomb! --LX Geez Lyvim! Be careful and don't pull an Alice there...with a monitor that big, you might fall right into wonderland... grin -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Bootsplash in 9.0
On Thursday 02 January 2003 05:35 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: snip Ron has an Nvidia card very similar to mine, which probably does support the needed VESA standards. After searching my manual here for this Elsa Gladiac Ultra, the best info I've been able to come up with on my card is that it conforms to the VESA DDC2B. This is tits on a boar hog cause what I need is a chart; DDC2B is a specification that defines bidirectional communication between a graphics host adapter and it's display. snip --LX Actually, I upgraded video cards when I upgraded my MB this Christmas as well. I've now got the Nvidia TI4200 with 64 megs/Ram but for what you are doing here I would imagine that its the same difference, right? -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Bootsplash in 9.0
On Thursday 02 January 2003 06:26 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: Yes, at least my GeF2 does support fb, most all cards do, but there's some, mostly ready made non standard ones that don't. So Ron, just change to vga=0x311, you'll eliminate the bootsplash an get bigger text ; 'Course thru all this discussion I've been remiss to mention that 'rpm -e bootsplash' will also get rid of it ;) Actually, before I checked my mail today (and this thread) I had been playing around with this. It does seem to follow what you are saying. I tried 788 791 788 works, but will use bootsplash if present, 791 gives 1024x768 (lots of text onscreen!). So I think you guys are right, in that bootsplash supports only a few resolutions, any other setting bypasses it. Thanks for all the help/insight... :-) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Bootsplash in 9.0
On Friday January 3 2003 02:17 am, Ronald J. Hall wrote: Actually, before I checked my mail today (and this thread) I had been playing around with this. It does seem to follow what you are saying. I tried 788 791 788 works, but will use bootsplash if present, 791 gives 1024x768 (lots of text onscreen!). So I think you guys are right, in that bootsplash supports only a few resolutions, any other setting bypasses it. Thanks for all the help/insight... :-) Actually there's even more to it. From what I've read, nVidia chipsets don't really do (incapable of) 16M (32bpp). Even if this is what you pick, they default to 24bpp (still sort'a 16M). A shortcut they took to get ahead of ATI. To which they've lost the lead again anyhow. MOF, for the most part nVidia, even their latest chips, default to, or really only do 16bpp (64K), and will work best if you set (XFdrake) them to that, specially 3d/accel games. Same is true for Windos. That's been my experience also with a GeF2-400mmx, 64mb. What should be upsetting to all PC users, specially those Linux inclined, is the increasing dependence of hardware to use software emulation (drivers) to work at the fullest, or even work at all. I believe that's the main culprit behind differenet users, experiencing different behavior, even with bootsplash. Multiply (permutate) all the differnent user/hardware/OS/driver combinations out there ... it's amazing anything works. Specially since computers are nothin more than glorified transistor radios. It ain't bootsplash, or Mandrake, or Linux, or even Windoze so much. It's user acceptance of over priced, seems snazzy, hardware. ... and it ust'a be only winmodem persons got razzed ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Bootsplash in 9.0
On Friday 03 January 2003 05:05 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: Actually there's even more to it. From what I've read, nVidia chipsets don't really do (incapable of) 16M (32bpp). Even if this is what you pick, they default to 24bpp (still sort'a 16M). A shortcut they took to get ahead of ATI. To which they've lost the lead again anyhow. MOF, for the most part nVidia, even their latest chips, default to, or really only do 16bpp (64K), and will work best if you set (XFdrake) them to that, specially 3d/accel games. Same is true for Windos. Hmm, I know I've always been told (and do) set my desktop to 65k colors because of the games - I assumed this was for some sort of Windog compatibility. Even back to my early Linux days when I was using a Voodoo 3000. That's been my experience also with a GeF2-400mmx, 64mb. What should be upsetting to all PC users, specially those Linux inclined, is the increasing dependence of hardware to use software emulation (drivers) to work at the fullest, or even work at all. I believe that's the main culprit behind differenet users, experiencing different behavior, even with bootsplash. Multiply (permutate) all the differnent user/hardware/OS/driver combinations out there ... it's amazing anything works. Specially since computers are nothin more than glorified transistor radios. It ain't bootsplash, or Mandrake, or Linux, or even Windoze so much. It's user acceptance of over priced, seems snazzy, hardware. ... and it ust'a be only winmodem persons got razzed ;) I hear ya Tom. I've had to use Nvidia because it *works* as the only other choice was to dual-boot with Windows - and I personally found that to be a choice I couldn't make. Just as soon as ATI's new open driver stuff is close enough to Nvidia to be useable, I'll be more than happy (and relieved) to pull out the 'ole credit card and buy 3 cards to replace the Nvidia's here... moment of wistful thinking here mayperhaps Nvidia will see Linux users switching to ATI because of the open source situation and *finally* release the code to their drivers! :-) I know, I know...still, we can hope! See ya! -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Bootsplash in 9.0
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 09:15, Tom Brinkman wrote: Because if you change to 'vga=normal' you're still usin fb (frame buffer). Just remove the vga= line and you should get 'plain text'. BTW, if you want to keep the fb =788 is 800x600, =791 is 1024x 768. I don't recall what the number would be for 640x480, but I sort'a think it's =785. That lower resolution would get you bigger text with fb. Maybe someone else knows, or you can refer to /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-2mdk/Documentation/svga.txt /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-2mdk/Documentation/fb/framebuffer.txt I know there use to be a doc file that listed the various codes, but I can't find it, or even remember where/what it was ;( The codes are listed in hexidecimal, you'll need to convert to decimal. Most calculators will do that for you. Besides, I never need to fool with this cause I like the bootsplash ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas The file is /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt. In order to get the video mode number of the Linux kernel, you take the hexadecimal VESA mode number, then add 0x200. Then of course you convert to decimal. Hex Vesa mode chart: | 640x480 800x600 1024x768 1280x1024 +- 256 | 0x1010x1030x1050x107 32k | 0x1100x1130x1160x119 64k | 0x1110x1140x1170x11A 16M | 0x1120x1150x1180x11B Hex adjusted Kernel mode numbers: | 640x480 800x600 1024x768 1280x1024 +- 256 | 0x3010x3030x3050x307 32k | 0x3100x3130x3160x319 64k | 0x3110x3140x3170x31A 16M | 0x3120x3150x3180x31B --LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Bootsplash in 9.0
On Thursday January 2 2003 09:20 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: The file is /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt. In order to get the video mode number of the Linux kernel, you take the hexadecimal VESA mode number, then add 0x200. Then of course you convert to decimal. Hex adjusted Kernel mode numbers: | 640x480 800x600 1024x768 1280x1024 +- 256 | 0x3010x3030x3050x307 32k | 0x3100x3130x3160x319 64k | 0x3110x3140x3170x31A 16M | 0x3120x3150x3180x31B --LX Thanks LX, I'll try'n remember ;) Seems my foggy old brain was right, 'cause vga=785 works out to 640x480 at 64k (0x311). Probly a good setting for those that want bigger text on a 17 monitor. One thing I should'a mentioned before, none of this will work unless the video card supports framebuffering. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Bootsplash in 9.0
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 11:25, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday January 2 2003 09:20 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: The file is /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt. In order to get the video mode number of the Linux kernel, you take the hexadecimal VESA mode number, then add 0x200. Then of course you convert to decimal. Hex adjusted Kernel mode numbers: | 640x480 800x600 1024x768 1280x1024 +- 256 | 0x3010x3030x3050x307 32k | 0x3100x3130x3160x319 64k | 0x3110x3140x3170x31A 16M | 0x3120x3150x3180x31B --LX Thanks LX, I'll try'n remember ;) Seems my foggy old brain was right, 'cause vga=785 works out to 640x480 at 64k (0x311). Probly a good setting for those that want bigger text on a 17 monitor. One thing I should'a mentioned before, none of this will work unless the video card supports framebuffering. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas The numbers you guys were throwing around were interesting. 788 converts to 314 hex, which of course as you said represents 800x600 at 64k colors. 791 is also 64k colors but at 1024x768 resolution. Ron has an Nvidia card very similar to mine, which probably does support the needed VESA standards. After searching my manual here for this Elsa Gladiac Ultra, the best info I've been able to come up with on my card is that it conforms to the VESA DDC2B. This is tits on a boar hog cause what I need is a chart; DDC2B is a specification that defines bidirectional communication between a graphics host adapter and it's display. Hopefully the kernel knows what DDC2B is, in which case telling it 788 or whatever will result in success, since the kernel in effect will be talking to the display through the graphics adapter. Essentially that would mean we really don't need the nice comfortable chart. But I haven't confirmed this. --LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Bootsplash in 9.0
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 18:26, Tom Brinkman wrote: Yes, at least my GeF2 does support fb, most all cards do, but there's some, mostly ready made non standard ones that don't. So Ron, just change to vga=0x311, you'll eliminate the bootsplash an get bigger text ; 'Course thru all this discussion I've been remiss to mention that 'rpm -e bootsplash' will also get rid of it ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Since all three of us have basically the same card, I did a little legwork and compiled a chart of working VESA modes for our chipset. There should not be much variance between our cards, I wouldn't think; except for memory. Mine's got 64 megs. I noticed right away that *none* of the 32k color modes were working. But here is what I found Kernel VESA mode numbers: | 640x480 800x600 1024x768 1280x1024 +- 256 | 0x3010x3030x3050x307 32k | ---- 64k | 0x3110x3140x3170x31A 16M | 0x3120x3150x318- These numbers should be valid for a GeForce2. I find it strange that 1280x1024@16M doesn't work. I didn't see much console speed difference between the modes. Since I've got a 20 monitor, I just left mine in 0x31A. ;) Now I can go to vc/1, then cd to /usr/bin and halfway see a respectable amount all at once with an ls. g It's the bomb! --LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Bootsplash in 9.0
On Tuesday December 31 2002 12:49 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: Is it safe to remove the bootsplash in v9.0 as a lot of us did in v8.2? So that we get a black background with text during bootup? (I've already inserted noquiet into /etc/lilo.conf... 'noquiet' is wrong, just remove 'quiet' from the append line. Also in the lilo.conf stanza for the kernel you're usin, you'll see somthin like 'vga=788'. Either comment out, delete this line, or change it to 'vga=normal'. That's the change that turns off the bootsplash. 'quiet' only prevents seeing the initial kernel load, but you'd still see the boot process. 'Course you need to run 'lilo' to make the changes take effect. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Bootsplash in 9.0
On Tuesday 31 December 2002 6:49 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: Is it safe to remove the bootsplash in v9.0 as a lot of us did in v8.2? So that we get a black background with text during bootup? (I've already inserted noquiet into /etc/lilo.conf... Thanks! I certainly run my machine without bootsplash as I much rather see the text info on bootup. However I don't understand why Tom has suggested removing vga=788 from lilo.conf and using vga=normal instead. I just don't have bootsplash installed but still use vga=788 to give better definition text. Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
