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What the heck is this? I get it for the last couple weeks when sending to this list. No weird email abbreviations are at fault - I'm typing the list address in raw. the message does get through after all, I just get this failure notice as well. -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: NDN: Re: [newbie] File Management Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:45:36 +0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to: linux-mandrake newbie,emc (The name was not found at the remote site. Check that the name has been entered correctly.) --- David -- Three kinds of people worthless to they who are just and honest: the drunkard; the perjurer; the traitor. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File Management
On Tuesday 11 February 2003 05:45 pm, FemmeFatale proclaimed: > At 10:41 AM 2/11/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 20:23, FemmeFatale wrote: > > > On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 04:25, Adolfo Bello wrote: > > > >After 20 years using DOS/Windows I am rather used to the A;, C:, D: > >schema but after working with the file system way I recognized that the > >DOS schema is somehow like asking yourself: In what drive this part of > >my data is in this RAID? Ok, I am exaggerating but I don't know how many > >times I have lost data because I forgot to backup a directory in another > >drive. I had a weird little encounter with this problem today. Was trying to get a MS Access database to shut itself down when it was launched from the sever (front-end is too huge for transmitting forms across crappy government data lines). Came across the brilliant idea of using the "\\" prefix in the UNC server address. Then couldn't figure out why it wouldn't work. Hmmm, what does it THINK the path is? "F:\Center\...\CSS.mdb" Yaargh! Another example of the maxim: Everything in Linux, from changing a font to recompiling a kernel, takes 5 hours. It then runs forever without a problem. Everything in Windows takes 5 minutes. It then takes forever to debug it and figure out why it isn't working without a problem. David -- Three joys of the lawless: gluttony; fighting; fickleness. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File Management
At 10:41 AM 2/11/2003 -0400, you wrote: On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 20:23, FemmeFatale wrote: > On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 04:25, Adolfo Bello wrote: After 20 years using DOS/Windows I am rather used to the A;, C:, D: schema but after working with the file system way I recognized that the DOS schema is somehow like asking yourself: In what drive this part of my data is in this RAID? Ok, I am exaggerating but I don't know how many times I have lost data because I forgot to backup a directory in another drive. Or maybe I really stick a little too much to Marcel Proust's quotation at the bottom of my signature. *giggles* Well Adolfo, I wasn't criticizing you. And I know what you were driving at too. However stating things as you did *IMO* won't endear ppl who are refugees from other OS's to the linux community. And fwiw, I agree... linux's FS is somewhat more intuitive with the exception being that if you change distros some parts of the FS are (sometimes) radically different from the distro you used before! Heh see Debians & Gentoos for example as opposed to RH or MDK. - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: "We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts." - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File Management
On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 20:23, FemmeFatale wrote: > On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 04:25, Adolfo Bello wrote: > Now now dear, that windows crap (as you call it) is still useful. > Everyone needs to learn one way or another & no way is wrong. Not even > Windows methods. They're just different, albeit some are more efficient > than others. And your linking suggestion is very good for beginners & > experts alike if it helps them get around in their preferrred > environment(s). > > :) My point, that I recognized was stated rather unpolitely, is that he better gets used to the new system instead of trying to bring his old baggage of knowledge to another land (OT: a source of conflicts and misunderstandings between different citizenships). I am myself a Windows user (lately a bit forcefully because most of my customers are using W2K networks). So I'll keep using Windows for a while (as long as they keep using it and I don't find replacements for Visio and Access Reports). I feel that I can manage Windows much better than GNU/Linux but I also know that the only way to really get into Linux will be getting used to the Linux way. Being a newbie right now most of my system management work in Linux is done through the CLI. There will be time for using graphical tools after I have learned what I am doing. After 20 years using DOS/Windows I am rather used to the A;, C:, D: schema but after working with the file system way I recognized that the DOS schema is somehow like asking yourself: In what drive this part of my data is in this RAID? Ok, I am exaggerating but I don't know how many times I have lost data because I forgot to backup a directory in another drive. Or maybe I really stick a little too much to Marcel Proust's quotation at the bottom of my signature. -- __ / \\ @ __ __@ Adolfo Bello / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / // // /\ / \\ // \ // Bello Ingenieria S.A, ICQ: 65910258 / \\ // / \\ / // // / //cel: +58 416 609-6213 /___// // / <_/ \__\\ //__/ // fax: +58 212 952-6797 www.bisapi.com //pager: www.tun-tun.com (# 609-6213) Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:22:35 -0400 10:22am up 31 min, 3 users, load average: 0.01, 0.05, 0.07 The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. Marcel Proust Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File Management
FemmeFatale wrote: On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 04:25, Adolfo Bello wrote: On Sun, 2003-02-09 at 23:56, Russ wrote: Hi All, IF what you want is to have quick access to data in a drive, you can symlink to the mount point, like: ln -s /mnt/disk /a ln -s /mnt/windows /d ln -s /mnt/cdrom /e However, I would recommend you to unlearn that Window$ crap and stay with the linux/unix file system way. Now now dear, that windows crap (as you call it) is still useful. Everyone needs to learn one way or another & no way is wrong. Not even Windows methods. They're just different, albeit some are more efficient than others. And your linking suggestion is very good for beginners & experts alike if it helps them get around in their preferrred environment(s). I usually put symlinks in all users' home directories - I think whatever file manager they are using, ordinary users should never have to go outside their home directories (of course they do go outside as soon as they click on that symlink, but it doesn't feel like that).I don't use the Windows letter system, though. There are all those people out there claiming that Windows is so "intuitive" compared to that "difficult" Linux OS, but I can't for the life of me see how "a:" is more intuitive than "floppy". Sir Robin -- " Like these cutters, and hackers, who will take the wall of men, and picke quarrells." - G. Pettie Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File Management
On Monday 10 February 2003 07:23 pm, FemmeFatale wrote: > On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 04:25, Adolfo Bello wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-02-09 at 23:56, Russ wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > IF what you want is to have quick access to data in a drive, you can > > symlink to the mount point, like: > > ln -s /mnt/disk /a > > ln -s /mnt/windows /d > > ln -s /mnt/cdrom /e > > > > However, I would recommend you to unlearn that Window$ crap and stay > > with the linux/unix file system way. > > Now now dear, that windows crap (as you call it) is still useful. > Everyone needs to learn one way or another & no way is wrong. ehh,,, femme, believe me, I can find the wrong way, so I am willing to sware there is a wrong way... blame the drugs... > Not even > Windows methods. They're just different, albeit some are more efficient > than others. And your linking suggestion is very good for beginners & > experts alike if it helps them get around in their preferrred > environment(s). > > :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File Management
On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 04:25, Adolfo Bello wrote: > On Sun, 2003-02-09 at 23:56, Russ wrote: > > Hi All, > > > IF what you want is to have quick access to data in a drive, you can > symlink to the mount point, like: > ln -s /mnt/disk /a > ln -s /mnt/windows /d > ln -s /mnt/cdrom /e > > However, I would recommend you to unlearn that Window$ crap and stay > with the linux/unix file system way. > Now now dear, that windows crap (as you call it) is still useful. Everyone needs to learn one way or another & no way is wrong. Not even Windows methods. They're just different, albeit some are more efficient than others. And your linking suggestion is very good for beginners & experts alike if it helps them get around in their preferrred environment(s). :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File Management
On Monday 10 February 2003 02:25 am, Adolfo Bello wrote: > On Sun, 2003-02-09 at 23:56, Russ wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I have been trying to learn how Linux's file system works and what goes > > where. I am gaining ground. Here is my pet peeve though. When navigating > > the various files and folders, you do not know which actual partition it > > is on. In windows explorer it separates the drives and shows you what is > > on each. I hate to say it (especially here) but I like how windows > > explorer works. The left column gives you a list of all drives, > > floppies, CD's and what not. Makes it easy to navigate your file system. > > Is there a file manager for Linux that does this as well? This would > > help me keep all these things straight. > > > > Thanks > > Russ > > IF what you want is to have quick access to data in a drive, you can > symlink to the mount point, like: > ln -s /mnt/disk /a > ln -s /mnt/windows /d > ln -s /mnt/cdrom /e > > However, I would recommend you to unlearn that Window$ crap and stay > with the linux/unix file system way. Ummm Actual drive the directory is on? Windows doesn't do that. I can take a single drive and make 5 partitions and windows will tell me about C:, D:, E:, F:, G: and make my CDROM H: Or I could have 4 drives and I would see C: D: E: F: with CDROM as G: And even if you wanted information about partitions Like suppose /dev/hda1 is / and /dev/hda5 is swap and /dev/hda6 is /usr and /dev/hda7 is /home, where would you find /opt? /opt could be part of / or it could have been set up with a symbolic link as in ln -s /usr/opt /opt Now with that said, the analog of explorer is like Krusader or gmc. Just realize that linux is a little too flexible for windows-centric thinking. If you want to see the top-level directories by drive and partition, that information is in a separate window -- call up Kwikdisk from Configuration->Hardware or KDiskFree from Applications-->monitoring Both use kdf but Kwikdisk docks it into the "system tray" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File Management
Hi Russ, I'm in the spot as you find yourself in. All I can say is try this book called "Sams teach yourself Linux in 24 hours" 3th edition. It will start you off with the very basics of Linux. I would have been even more lost without and has helped me from having to pound my head against a wall (which is good 'cause am running out of hair to pull). Carlos Betancourt - Original Message - From: "Russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Newbie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 7:56 PM Subject: [newbie] File Management > Hi All, > > I have been trying to learn how Linux's file system works and what goes > where. I am gaining ground. Here is my pet peeve though. When navigating > the various files and folders, you do not know which actual partition it > is on. In windows explorer it separates the drives and shows you what is > on each. I hate to say it (especially here) but I like how windows > explorer works. The left column gives you a list of all drives, > floppies, CD's and what not. Makes it easy to navigate your file system. > Is there a file manager for Linux that does this as well? This would > help me keep all these things straight. > > Thanks > Russ > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File Management
On 10 Feb 2003 16:43:25 +1100, Stephen Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 16:28, Russ wrote: > > I like to know where things are. Example, what files are on the / > > partition, or the /usr, /var, /home. I just like to know what I am > > playing with. > > > > Russ > > > > On Sun, 2003-02-09 at 20:24, Todd Slater wrote: > > > > > For normal operation, why do you need to know what partition stuff is on? > > > > > > Todd > > > > Ok - here's a simple one for ya: > > / - the root of all the filesystem. DON'T put anything here - it's the > top of the hierarchy > > /bin - basic binary programs/utils for the system (don't use this > neither) > > /sbin - other system binaries (sbin - system binary) > > /lib - system libraries > > /usr/bin - the basic binaries for all users to use - you can put > programs in here > > /usr/local/bin - same as above > > /usr/share - repository of all your programs OTHER dependant bits - > except for libraries and includes > > /usr/lib - program libraries > > /usr/include - program includes > > /tmp - temporary crap > > /var - system variables and other program necessary information (and > other cool things like ftp root and web root) > > /usr/X11R6 - the root for the XWindows system - sometimes things can go > under here - but let the programs decide where they want to go so you > don't break things. > > /home - the users home directory root - your personal root directory is > here - and whomever else has an account on your machine. > > Does that make it a bit more, er, graphical? (g) > > Cheers! It helps to know what the directory names mean, so that you may better understand their functions. To rephrase what Stephen has written above (and to add a few more): bin - binary executable sbin - system binary executable lib - libraries, sort of like DLL files in Windows. include - programme includes share - components shared between apps, excluding libraries and includes tmp - temporary files etc - 'et cetera'. Various config files for the whole system. var - variables X11R6 - The X Window System version 11 release 6. In Mandrake, this means XFree86. local - Stuff intended to run only on the local system. Normally, you won't access this stuff from another system or OS installation. opt - 'Optional' stuff. In some other distros (like SuSE), this is where desktop environments like GNOME and KDE are installed. Mandrake (and Red Hat, Gentoo, etc.) considers these to be part of the core system, so they are installed in /usr instead. root - The root user's home directory. It is stored in / instead of /home to allow a root login even if /home (which is often stored on a separate partition) is inaccessible. home - user data usr - Contrary to popular belief, this does _not_ stand for 'user'. It does, in fact, stand for 'UNIX System Resources'. Most apps go here. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan [Yama | http://www.pclinuxonline.com/] Without C, We would only have Pasal, Basi, and obol. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File Management
Well, how did you partition it? Mine, for instance, is /, swap, /home, /usr, /var. Any filename that starts with /home is on the /home partition, any filename that starts with /usr (ie. /usr/X11R6/bin/DrakConf) is on the /usr partition, any filename that starts with /var is on the /var partition. Any filename (on my system) that doesn't start with /home, /usr, or /var is on the / partition. Dale Huckeby On 9 Feb 2003, Russ wrote: > I like to know where things are. Example, what files are on the / > partition, or the /usr, /var, /home. I just like to know what I am > playing with. > > Russ > > On Sun, 2003-02-09 at 20:24, Todd Slater wrote: > > > For normal operation, why do you need to know what partition stuff is on? > > > > Todd > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File Management
Yes the Knoq thing did work, thank you. And as to the partitions, I know which ones I have but I am still learning exactly what goes on each. Russ On Sun, 2003-02-09 at 18:42, Damian Gatabria wrote: > On Monday 10 February 2003 05:28, Russ wrote: > > I like to know where things are. Example, what files are on the / > > partition, or the /usr, /var, /home. I just like to know what I am > > playing with. > > > > Surely you are not telling us you don't know how you laid out your > own partitions, are you? :oP > > Now, seriously, did the konq thing do any good? > > Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File Management
On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 16:28, Russ wrote: > I like to know where things are. Example, what files are on the / > partition, or the /usr, /var, /home. I just like to know what I am > playing with. > > Russ > > On Sun, 2003-02-09 at 20:24, Todd Slater wrote: > > > For normal operation, why do you need to know what partition stuff is on? > > > > Todd > Ok - here's a simple one for ya: / - the root of all the filesystem. DON'T put anything here - it's the top of the hierarchy /bin - basic binary programs/utils for the system (don't use this neither) /sbin - other system binaries (sbin - system binary) /lib - system libraries /usr/bin - the basic binaries for all users to use - you can put programs in here /usr/local/bin - same as above /usr/share - repository of all your programs OTHER dependant bits - except for libraries and includes /usr/lib - program libraries /usr/include - program includes /tmp - temporary crap /var - system variables and other program necessary information (and other cool things like ftp root and web root) /usr/X11R6 - the root for the XWindows system - sometimes things can go under here - but let the programs decide where they want to go so you don't break things. /home - the users home directory root - your personal root directory is here - and whomever else has an account on your machine. Does that make it a bit more, er, graphical? (g) Cheers! -- Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:35:01 +1100 4:35pm up 3 days, 8:53, 5 users, load average: 0.01, 0.14, 0.16 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ |"| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;"""/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- Thank god!! ... It's HENNY YOUNGMAN!! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File Management
On 10 Feb 2003 15:04:06 +1100, Stephen Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 14:56, Russ wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I have been trying to learn how Linux's file system works and what goes > > where. I am gaining ground. Here is my pet peeve though. When navigating > > the various files and folders, you do not know which actual partition it > > is on. In windows explorer it separates the drives and shows you what is > > on each. I hate to say it (especially here) but I like how windows > > explorer works. The left column gives you a list of all drives, > > floppies, CD's and what not. Makes it easy to navigate your file system. > > Is there a file manager for Linux that does this as well? This would > > help me keep all these things straight. > > > > Thanks > > Russ > > > > This is the nature of the *nix file system structure. Every partition > and/or drive is mounted as part of the file system. This allows you to > have many drives, but a single file structure. To my knowledge, there > are heaps and heaps of different file managers, but nothing that will > ever show anything like a drive. > > If you've done a default installation side-by-side with a Windows > installation, you will find your Windows partition under /mnt/ > > The true beauty of the file system was designed from the beginning (more > than 30 years ago) to be able to have a single file system. > > If you open up a console window, you can type: > > sfdisk --list > > ...to get a listing of the partitions > > You can type: > > mount > > ...to view the drive mountings. > > If you're in KDE, you can type > > kwikdisk > > ...to show how drives are mounted and allow you to mount/unmount from > your system tray. > > Remember that you're going to have to rethink/relearn how the file > system works. In the reality of it, the MSDOS manner of drive labelling > is actually more clunky and less logical...only 26 drives? > H...strange...(grin) > > Peace! I agree 100%. A user should not have to even _think_ about physical devices. Everything should be transparent in a single hierarchy. The beauty of the UNIX way is that you can mount _any_ device (not just local partitions) at any point in the hierarchy, providing unparallelled power and flexibility. This may not be very evident on a single system with only a few partitions, but it becomes very obvious when multiple partitions and networked machines are involved. Russ, if you want to learn Linux/UNIX you will have to realise that it is a very different system than Windows, and that everything exists for a very good reason. You will have to 'unlearn' a lot of the (bad) habits and terms you learnt from Windows in order to properly adjust. Don't worry, it's isn't as hard as it sounds. I was in the same situation as you, back in 1999. I had been using DOS/Windows since 1985, and it seemed to make perfect sense to me. After I switched to GNU/Linux, I finally realised how stupid things can be in the DOS/Windows world. If you open your mind, you can learn all kinds of new and neat stuff :) -- Sridhar Dhanapalan [Yama | http://www.pclinuxonline.com/] "When you say 'I wrote a program that crashed Windows', people just stare at you blankly and say 'Hey, I got those with the system, *for free*'." -- Linus Torvalds msg118930/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] File Management
On Monday 10 February 2003 05:28, Russ wrote: > I like to know where things are. Example, what files are on the / > partition, or the /usr, /var, /home. I just like to know what I am > playing with. > Surely you are not telling us you don't know how you laid out your own partitions, are you? :oP Now, seriously, did the konq thing do any good? Damian -- -- I don't want Windows to be only for the 31173. Yes, we've come a long way from all those security holes, virii, and cryptic commands like "Edit textfile.txt" (what in the hell is that supposed to mean?) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File Management
I like to know where things are. Example, what files are on the / partition, or the /usr, /var, /home. I just like to know what I am playing with. Russ On Sun, 2003-02-09 at 20:24, Todd Slater wrote: > For normal operation, why do you need to know what partition stuff is on? > > Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File Management
On 09 Feb 2003 19:56:05 -0800 Russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > > I have been trying to learn how Linux's file system works and what goes > where. I am gaining ground. Here is my pet peeve though. When navigating > the various files and folders, you do not know which actual partition it > is on. In windows explorer it separates the drives and shows you what is > on each. I hate to say it (especially here) but I like how windows > explorer works. The left column gives you a list of all drives, > floppies, CD's and what not. Makes it easy to navigate your file system. > Is there a file manager for Linux that does this as well? This would > help me keep all these things straight. > > Thanks > Russ For normal operation, why do you need to know what partition stuff is on? Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File Management
> Hi All, > > I have been trying to learn how Linux's file system works and what goes > where. I am gaining ground. Here is my pet peeve though. When navigating > the various files and folders, you do not know which actual partition it > is on. In windows explorer it separates the drives and shows you what is > on each. I hate to say it (especially here) but I like how windows > explorer works. The left column gives you a list of all drives, > floppies, CD's and what not. Makes it easy to navigate your file system. > Is there a file manager for Linux that does this as well? This would > help me keep all these things straight. > > Thanks > Russ If you open up a terminal (like konsole or xterm) and type " df " you will see each partition, with information about it's free space and where is it mounted on. I felt a bit lost too at first, but as you gain more experience, you'll notice that Linux's way of handling devices and partitions is much more logical and flexible than Windows'. The reason you cannot see each drive separately is because Linux does not build it's structure on drives or partitions. It has one tree. One structure. And you can add partitions to any branch of it, giving you a whole lot of control of where stuff goes. If you REALLY need to manage your files in a partition-oriented way, you can open up konqueror. You'll have the tree view of all the directories, and on the right side, the main pane with the view of the current dir. Now, between the tree view and the right pane (depending on you konqueror version, you can have it at the left of the treeview too) you will see a small column of buttons. click on the one at the bottom. The treeview will dissapear and a new one with device-oriented structure will appear, much like explorer's. But, i must say this: You will not regret it once you get familiar with Linux and the way it does things. On the other hand, you might regret it if you try to make Linux behave like Windows as you will find that "Linux is not a better Windows than Windows." It is different. HTH Damian -- -- I don't want Windows to be only for the 31173. Yes, we've come a long way from all those security holes, virii, and cryptic commands like "Edit textfile.txt" (what in the hell is that supposed to mean?) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 14:56, Russ wrote: > Hi All, > > I have been trying to learn how Linux's file system works and what goes > where. I am gaining ground. Here is my pet peeve though. When navigating > the various files and folders, you do not know which actual partition it > is on. In windows explorer it separates the drives and shows you what is > on each. I hate to say it (especially here) but I like how windows > explorer works. The left column gives you a list of all drives, > floppies, CD's and what not. Makes it easy to navigate your file system. > Is there a file manager for Linux that does this as well? This would > help me keep all these things straight. > > Thanks > Russ > This is the nature of the *nix file system structure. Every partition and/or drive is mounted as part of the file system. This allows you to have many drives, but a single file structure. To my knowledge, there are heaps and heaps of different file managers, but nothing that will ever show anything like a drive. If you've done a default installation side-by-side with a Windows installation, you will find your Windows partition under /mnt/ The true beauty of the file system was designed from the beginning (more than 30 years ago) to be able to have a single file system. If you open up a console window, you can type: sfdisk --list ...to get a listing of the partitions You can type: mount ...to view the drive mountings. If you're in KDE, you can type kwikdisk ...to show how drives are mounted and allow you to mount/unmount from your system tray. Remember that you're going to have to rethink/relearn how the file system works. In the reality of it, the MSDOS manner of drive labelling is actually more clunky and less logical...only 26 drives? H...strange...(grin) Peace! -- Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:55:00 +1100 2:55pm up 3 days, 7:13, 5 users, load average: 0.02, 0.15, 0.21 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ |"| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;"""/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- Nothing I do is my fault. -- Calvin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] File Management
You are too used to Winblowz. Stay on Linux/UNIX for another year and you will totally disagree with your current self. Rob >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Russ >> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 9:56 PM >> To: Newbie >> Subject: [newbie] File Management >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> I have been trying to learn how Linux's file system works and what goes >> where. I am gaining ground. Here is my pet peeve though. When navigating >> the various files and folders, you do not know which actual partition it >> is on. In windows explorer it separates the drives and shows you what is >> on each. I hate to say it (especially here) but I like how windows >> explorer works. The left column gives you a list of all drives, >> floppies, CD's and what not. Makes it easy to navigate your file system. >> Is there a file manager for Linux that does this as well? This would >> help me keep all these things straight. >> >> Thanks >> Russ >> >> >> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
