Re: [newbie] HELP...HELP...
i don't know my monitor is recent or not. but it could be. my monitor is LG Flatron F900B. but after installation it's working very well.There must be another problem! AliRob Blomquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 07 November 2004 1:59 am, ali tig wrote: dear rob, i solved the problem. it result from my LG Flatron Monitor. when the installation, i take out the Monitor's cable, and then press the enter, after that i put on the cable to the machine againe. then the problem solved. now i'm trying to upgrade and discover my new mandrake :-)Interesting. I have never heard of that problem before. Is the monitor too recent to be used by linux? Rob-- Mountlake Terrace, WAUSAWant to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.comJoin the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
Re: [newbie] HELP...HELP...
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 12:06:55 -0800 (PST) ali tig disseminated the following: i don't know my monitor is recent or not. but it could be. my monitor is LG Flatron F900B. but after installation it's working very well. There must be another problem! There's actually 3 that I can see. 1. Line wrap 2. HTML 3. Top posting http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 19:18:45 up 98 days, 20:10, 8 users, load average: 0.17, 0.18, 0.10 +++ When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist. -- Archbishop Helder Camara Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] HELP...HELP...
On Sunday 07 Nov 2004 19:02, Rob Blomquist wrote: On Sunday 07 November 2004 1:59 am, ali tig wrote: dear rob, i solved the problem. it result from my LG Flatron Monitor. when the installation, i take out the Monitor's cable, and then press the enter, after that i put on the cable to the machine againe. then the problem solved. now i'm trying to upgrade and discover my new mandrake :-) Interesting. I have never heard of that problem before. Is the monitor too recent to be used by linux? I never tried that solution, but I did have similar symptoms on an Iiyama monitor. IIRC I could start in failsafe, and from there I could change the monitor setup. I think it was trying to start in 24-bit mode, but it worked perfectly in 16-bit mode. I had to do this twice, though, because the first time I ran 'test' which seemed to bork things. The second time I just saved the settings without testing and it accepted them. I've had no problems at all since then. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] HELP...HELP...
dear rob, i solved the problem. it result from my LG Flatron Monitor. when the installation, i take out the Monitor's cable, and then press the enter, after that i put on the cable to the machine againe. then the problem solved. now i'm trying to upgrade and discover my new mandrake :-) Aliali tig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have mandrake 10.0 64 bit. i bought it from the mandrake store a few weeks ago. i will try to send the massage. AliRob Blomquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 31 October 2004 12:02 am, ali tig wrote: dear carroll, my system is below. Asus K8V deluxe motherboard AMD 64 processor ATI Rodeon 9800 pro 1 GB ram 2*120 GB SATA harddisk(one of them for windows xp pro)The other thing that we need to see is what happens at boot to stop X from running when the system bootsAnother thing you could do is attach a copy of /var/log/messages to an email and send it to me, or someone else (it might be a bit big for the list) and we can look it over and send the revalent part to the list, which will problem get you up and running.Your system can probably run Linux without problem. Are you running Mandrake for 64 bit, or standard?Rob-- Mountlake Terrace, WAUSAWant to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.comJoin the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com' Do you Yahoo!?Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. - www.yahoo.com Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
Re: [newbie] HELP...HELP...
On Sunday 07 November 2004 1:59 am, ali tig wrote: dear rob, i solved the problem. it result from my LG Flatron Monitor. when the installation, i take out the Monitor's cable, and then press the enter, after that i put on the cable to the machine againe. then the problem solved. now i'm trying to upgrade and discover my new mandrake :-) Interesting. I have never heard of that problem before. Is the monitor too recent to be used by linux? Rob -- Mountlake Terrace, WA USA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] HELP...HELP...
i have mandrake 10.0 64 bit. i bought it from the mandrake store a few weeks ago. i will try to send the massage. AliRob Blomquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 31 October 2004 12:02 am, ali tig wrote: dear carroll, my system is below. Asus K8V deluxe motherboard AMD 64 processor ATI Rodeon 9800 pro 1 GB ram 2*120 GB SATA harddisk(one of them for windows xp pro)The other thing that we need to see is what happens at boot to stop X from running when the system bootsAnother thing you could do is attach a copy of /var/log/messages to an email and send it to me, or someone else (it might be a bit big for the list) and we can look it over and send the revalent part to the list, which will problem get you up and running.Your system can probably run Linux without problem. Are you running Mandrake for 64 bit, or standard?Rob-- Mountlake Terrace, WAUSAWant to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.comJoin the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com' Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. -
Re: [newbie] HELP...HELP...O.T.
On Monday 01 November 2004 21:25, ali tig wrote: i will try to send the massage. heehaw, this is inspector Clouseau's comeback, wonderful;-D -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] HELP...HELP...
dear carroll, my system is below. Asus K8V deluxe motherboard AMD 64 processor ATI Rodeon 9800 pro 1 GB ram 2*120 GB SATA harddisk(one of them for windows xp pro)Carroll Grigsby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 30 October 2004 05:48 pm, ali tig wrote: hello everybody, i'm very newbie about mandrake10.0. i installed the mandrake linux afew hours ago. but it started in text mode. can you help me how can i start the kde (or gnome) in text mode? i tried the "startx" but it doesen't work. i'm waiting your help. Ali TIGAli:WIthout knowing more about your system (cpu, RAM, motherboard, video card, etc), trying to answer your question is all but impossible.-- cmgWant to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.comJoin the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.
Re: [newbie] HELP...HELP...
On Sunday 31 October 2004 12:02 am, ali tig wrote: dear carroll, my system is below. Asus K8V deluxe motherboard AMD 64 processor ATI Rodeon 9800 pro 1 GB ram 2*120 GB SATA harddisk(one of them for windows xp pro) The other thing that we need to see is what happens at boot to stop X from running when the system boots Another thing you could do is attach a copy of /var/log/messages to an email and send it to me, or someone else (it might be a bit big for the list) and we can look it over and send the revalent part to the list, which will problem get you up and running. Your system can probably run Linux without problem. Are you running Mandrake for 64 bit, or standard? Rob -- Mountlake Terrace, WA USA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] HELP...HELP...
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:48:28 -0700 (PDT) ali tig disseminated the following: hello everybody, i'm very newbie about mandrake10.0. i installed the mandrake linux afew hours ago. but it started in text mode. can you help me how can i start the kde (or gnome) in text mode? i tried the startx but it doesen't work. What error messages do you get from 'startx'? Did you configure X during installation (the 'summary' screen, IIRC)? What happens if you just log in and type 'kde'? -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 18:27:34 up 87 days, 18:18, 6 users, load average: 1.10, 1.08, 1.06 +++ It is not anti-Semitic to criticize the policies of the state of Israel. -- Colin Powell Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] HELP...HELP...
On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 08:48, ali tig wrote: hello everybody, i'm very newbie about mandrake10.0. i installed the mandrake linux afew hours ago. but it started in text mode. can you help me how can i start the kde (or gnome) in text mode? i tried the startx but it doesen't work. i'm waiting your help. Ali TIG If X11/XOrg is not starting, then there is a problem either with your video driver, or the monitor settings; what I would recommend is that you make sure you know what monitor you have (and it's settings) along with what video card you have; login to the system as root, and once logged in, run XFdrake; make all the necessary changes (and test them); once that is done, you should be able to reboot the system and login to whichever desktop you so desire (or what you have installed). -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free and no viruses Registered Linux User # 267497 Windows: Where do you want to go today? MacOS: Where do you want to be tomorrow? Linux: Are you coming or what? --- Feeling amorous, she looked under the sheets and cried, Oh, no, it's Microsoft! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] HELP...HELP...
On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 09:28, JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:48:28 -0700 (PDT) ali tig disseminated the following: hello everybody, i'm very newbie about mandrake10.0. i installed the mandrake linux afew hours ago. but it started in text mode. can you help me how can i start the kde (or gnome) in text mode? i tried the startx but it doesen't work. What error messages do you get from 'startx'? Did you configure X during installation (the 'summary' screen, IIRC)? What happens if you just log in and type 'kde'? I think one of the main errors he's getting is when he tries to run startx that it says: JoeHill error: unable to locate any screams. (g) -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free and no viruses Registered Linux User # 267497 Windows: Where do you want to go today? MacOS: Where do you want to be tomorrow? Linux: Are you coming or what? --- Windows Airlines: The terminal is very neat and clean, the attendants all very attractive, the pilots very capable. The fleet of Learjets the carrier operates is immense. Your jet takes off without a hitch, pushing above the clouds, and at 20,000 feet it explodes without warning. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] HELP...HELP...
On Sunday 31 October 2004 00:44, Stephen Kühn wrote: snip I think one of the main errors he's getting is when he tries to run startx that it says: JoeHill error: unable to locate any screams. (g) /snip Careful, Stephen. The week is just 1 hour old (at least here, where we carry our heads upwards), and the quota for zinging Joe is 10 zings per week for the list as a whole, remember ? Ref.: The list etiquette. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] HELP...HELP...
On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 09:53, Kaj Haulrich wrote: JoeHill error: unable to locate any screams. (g) /snip Careful, Stephen. The week is just 1 hour old (at least here, where we carry our heads upwards), and the quota for zinging Joe is 10 zings per week for the list as a whole, remember ? Ref.: The list etiquette. Kaj Haulrich. Fergot that thar rule. Solly cholly. (at least me gots the foist one!) -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free and no viruses Registered Linux User # 267497 Windows: Where do you want to go today? MacOS: Where do you want to be tomorrow? Linux: Are you coming or what? --- Too many people are thinking of security instead of opportunity. They seem more afraid of life than death. -- James F. Byrnes Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] HELP...HELP...
On Sunday 31 October 2004 01:04, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 09:53, Kaj Haulrich wrote: JoeHill error: unable to locate any screams. (g) /snip Careful, Stephen. The week is just 1 hour old (at least here, where we carry our heads upwards), and the quota for zinging Joe is 10 zings per week for the list as a whole, remember ? Ref.: The list etiquette. Kaj Haulrich. Fergot that thar rule. Solly cholly. (at least me gots the foist one!) Sorry, Stephen... forgot the daylight savings time. You got the last one this week. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] HELP...HELP...
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:44:18 +1100 Stephen Kühn disseminated the following: i tried the startx but it doesen't work. What error messages do you get from 'startx'? Did you configure X during installation (the 'summary' screen, IIRC)? What happens if you just log in and type 'kde'? I think one of the main errors he's getting is when he tries to run startx that it says: JoeHill error: unable to locate any screams. Ya, ya, and I bet all his problems would be solved by 'urpmi xfce4' ;-) -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 19:23:32 up 87 days, 19:14, 7 users, load average: 0.02, 0.09, 0.09 +++ He who does not put out his money at interest, and does not take a bribe against the innocent. He who does these things shall never be moved. -- Psalm 15 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] HELP...HELP...
On Saturday 30 October 2004 05:48 pm, ali tig wrote: hello everybody, i'm very newbie about mandrake10.0. i installed the mandrake linux afew hours ago. but it started in text mode. can you help me how can i start the kde (or gnome) in text mode? i tried the startx but it doesen't work. i'm waiting your help. Ali TIG Ali: WIthout knowing more about your system (cpu, RAM, motherboard, video card, etc), trying to answer your question is all but impossible. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] HELP...HELP...
On Saturday 30 October 2004 04:24 pm, JoeHill wrote: | On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:44:18 +1100 | | | JoeHill error: unable to locate any screams. | | Ya, ya, and I bet all his problems would be solved by 'urpmi xfce4' ;-) No, but #urpme JoeHillwould do the job. just kiddin' Joe e Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] HELP...HELP...
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:00:49 -0700 Erylon Hines disseminated the following: No, but #urpme JoeHillwould do the job. Good thing my wife doesn't know that one... -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 22:40:28 up 87 days, 22:31, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 +++ The rich control all the businesses, the newspapers and everything else. But they can no longer control the people. -- Margarita Mendoza, street vendor, Venezuela Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] HELP, HElP: emergency recovery needed urgently
WEll, I don't know the solution to your problem for sure, I have never upgraded a kernel, I always install it beside the old one, so that if something goes wrong, I can still boot the old one.. that is the recommended way of doing things.. if it was me, in your case, I would boot from the Cdrom, and try to upgrade the kernel... using upgrade instead of install.. I have heard that may work.. or you could try copying the boot kernel from your cd into your boot directory on your hard drive and try to get it up that way.. (you'd have to edit your boot manager as well, so that it calls the rigth kernel.) I have heard that that can work as well. but if you just want to retrieve info.. boot from you mandrake CD, then mount the partition that has the data you want on it, it could be hda hdb hdc or hdd and any of the partition numbers, like hda1 or hdb3 it depends on how you originally installed mandrake, if you only have one hard drive, it will most likely be hda,,,so if it was hda1 you would type: mkdir /mnt/drivedir mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/drivedir you can add the fs system type to that as well, but it may not be necessary.. keep trying partitions till you find the one you want.. once its mounted, you can copy data of it to floppy, or another hard disk if you want to.. I have done this many times.. usually when I want data of an old hard drive when I have upgraded. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 2 November 2001 3:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] HELP, HElP: emergency recovery needed urgently Hi everyone: I updated kernel 2.4.7 from 2.4.3 in M8. after updating and rebooting system froze while trying to load second stage booting (i guess). it stays here and does do anything else. I checked in MUO. it says to run rescue from CD (i don't have a floopy boot disk). But i am sure what to do after that. Very important files in hard drive that I must not lose. Please, HELP!!! Thanks in advance Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HELP, HElP: emergency recovery needed urgently
In reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s words, written Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:41:50 -0800 A proper upgrade should leave 2.4.3. on disk. Can't you see that in lilo/grub when booting? Paul I updated kernel 2.4.7 from 2.4.3 in M8. after updating and rebooting system froze while trying to load second stage booting (i guess). it stays here and does do anything else. I checked in MUO. it says to run rescue from CD (i don't have a floopy boot disk). But i am sure what to do after that. Very important files in hard drive that I must not lose. -- He who binds to himself a joy Does a winged life destroy But he who kisses a joy as it flies Lives in eternal sunrise -William Blake http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.6.3 claws Open Source, Open Minds. Linux. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] HELP! HELP! Restoring LM7.2 desktop
try putting a file called: .xinitrc in your user directory in that file put one word and save it... that word should be: startkde then try it again... rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Shaw Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2001 5:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] HELP! HELP! Restoring LM7.2 desktop Third try -- maybe *that* subject line will get someone to answer. :) On Sunday I had a system-lockup event followed by a hard-reset (didn't know what else to do). Now my default LM7.2 login screen and desktop is gone, replaced by KDE IceWM. IceWM is fine, but I'd like the old stuff with the cartoon penguins and the rest of it back. How do I go about doing this? Do I have to reinstall the OS? Thanks! Mark Shaw
Re: [newbie] HELP! HELP! Restoring LM7.2 desktop
THANKS! But: no joy. No change at all. Anything else I should try, or other things I should look at? I still have all the /var/log/... stuff but I'm not sure what to look for. Thanks again, Mark Shaw try putting a file called: .xinitrc in your user directory in that file put one word and save it... that word should be: startkde then try it again... rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Shaw Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2001 5:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] HELP! HELP! Restoring LM7.2 desktop Third try -- maybe *that* subject line will get someone to answer. :) On Sunday I had a system-lockup event followed by a hard-reset (didn't know what else to do). Now my default LM7.2 login screen and desktop is gone, replaced by KDE IceWM. IceWM is fine, but I'd like the old stuff with the cartoon penguins and the rest of it back. How do I go about doing this? Do I have to reinstall the OS? Thanks! Mark Shaw
Re: [newbie] Help~! Help~!
On Saturday 23 June 2001 01:31, Wing Min Ho wrote: Help Me! 1. when i 1st time install Linux Mandrake 7.1, i got no problem. But i dont know how to uninstall it. There are several ways to do this -- here's one: You need a partition tool such as DOS' fdisk or Partition Magic or even Linux's fdisk or diskdrake. Use one of these to erase all your mandrake 7.1 partitions (of course, the linux ones may not help in this situation as you cannot erase the root filesystem while you are using it etc.!). DOS FDisk, however, may have trouble deleting your linux partitions. Assuming that you have finally gotten rid of all the linux partitions, type fdisk /mbr at a DOS prompt/command line. 2. Then i try to install Linux Mandrake 7.2, it still can work. But there is a problem, i dont' want Linux as a default OS (I have Windows 98 that is still in the hard disk) Unfortunately, i dont' know how to set the default. If you are using a boot manager called GRUB, I don't know. If you are using LILO, then you can edit /etc/lilo.conf and then run lilo afterwards. You could also try the program klilo in KDE. Note that you have to be root to do any of these things. If you are going to use the edit /etc/lilo.conf method, then put the line default=Windows98 (without the quotes) in it, assuming your entry other=/dev/hda1 had a line immediately before or after it looking like label=Windows98. 3. After i install Linux Mandrake 7.2, and i had done something in the LILO (i dont' know what i had done what to the LILO). When i started my computer, then i got this message Stage1 Geom Error. No thing moving in my computer. Did you enable/disable LBA or some obscure disk option? Only a guess. 4. Then i try to install Linux Red Hat 6.2(may be is chinese version). (While installing Linux, I had some time reset my computer.) When i reinstall the Linux Mandrake 7.2, my computer had hanged two time(because i install it two times.) Err... 5. Now the problem is here, my hole hdd can't read. i use msdos for fdisk it but cant'. At last, i use Red Hat 7.2 to format my hdd. Now my hdd is about 2GB. My hdd capacity is about 8GB. Err again... Q1: How to reset my hdd to 8 GB? Could you send me the output of cat /proc/partitions? Q2: Why the 'State1 Geom Error' out, nothing is moving to my computer? don't know, sorry... Q3: How to set my sound card so that i can listen music? If you are using OSS (very likely), then run the command sndconfig as root. You should avoid running it X (or so the warning says!) but it runs fine for me in X. If you are using ALSA, I point you to www.alsa-project.org :) - George
Re: [newbie] Help? HELP! USB ports
donald hinds escribi: How do you tell HardDarke or Linux to look on the USB ports for devices? Try the following: 1. turn on the device, 2. run usbview. Now your modem has to be shown... if it is select it and press the configure button and you'll be given the adress of your device (my Epson printer is /proc/bus/usb/devices ). And now you're supposed to use that path to tell the hw installation program where the modem is... mine was a printer! O8-) Hope that helps. I have a supported (ZOOM USB) modem (linux-USB.org). LM-7.2 sees my TWO USB ports. When I run HardDrake to install a modem, it gives me options of Serial, ISDN and so forth, but not USB. What file to I change (and how do I change it) so the USB will be an option for the modem? thanks if you can help, Don -- Joan Tur. Ibiza - Spain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 11407395 Joan.Tur.pagina.de www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783
