Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
On Saturday 21 December 2002 12:18 am, jmarcom wrote: I had good luck with Earthlink when I was on dial-up, and still have it for broadband. Following are my notes for dial-up: connection name: Earthlink jmarcom authenticationPAP IP address (provided) Login ELN/jmarcom checkmark no autoconfig host DNS servers Earthlink.net checkmark Assign defaultroute to the gateway Their mail service isn't bad, either. HTH. Earthlink is as bad (or good) as any of them with truly nationwide dialup, (used to be mostly UUnet, now seems mostly level3) and if you give my e-mail address as having refered you, I get a free month of dialup, BTW, they changed the login from a ELN/username to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
On Tuesday 24 December 2002 11:04, ET wrote: BTW, they changed the login from a ELN/username to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I still login fine with ELN/username. *** Powered by SuSE Linux 8.0 Professional KDE 3.0.0 KMail 1.4 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [OT] - Boredom warning - Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
On Saturday 21 Dec 2002 12:01 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Your non list mails will not be affected since all mail clients will address reply mails to the e-mail address they originated from if a 'Reply To' address is not specified. Do you mean like this John That's better Thank you. :) It would be nice if I could alter the composer setting for newbie. I cannot see that it is possible without altering the global settings. One has to remember to do this each time. John - why are you worried about this? In what circumstances do you need it? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [OT] - Boredom warning - Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
On Saturday 21 Dec 2002 1:00 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: be easier, but if such a policy were possible it has to be specificly for newbie type lists because in all other cases you DO want replyto address to be included in composer windows. OK - if you say so :) but I never use the reply to field, and it has never caused me a problem. When people hit the reply button it automatically uses the sender field if no other has been set. I presume that the newbie list administration sets newbie as an overrider. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 18:00, K. Spress wrote: I actually own my own internet company and we offer nationwide US access and are linux friendly for $19.95 a month. Unlimited service Usenet and 100 Megabytes for Personal Webspace and 10 E Mail Accounts Kenneth E. Spress [EMAIL PROTECTED] (586) 945-3801 You Finally Have A Choice In Local Telephone Service Ask Me How. [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I still lived in Dallas I'd be calling ya...too bad ya can't do anything here in Australia... Same game that was happening in the US 7 years ago is happening here... -- Fri Dec 20 19:50:00 EST 2002 7:50pm up 4:31, 5 users, load average: 0.10, 0.20, 0.32 .o0 linux user:267497 0o. |____ | kühn media australia | / \ /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kühn | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | ;/ / | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU Coralament*Best Grötens*Liebe Grüße*Best Regards*Elkorajn Salutojn Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. - Some wisdom from The Book. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
On Friday 20 Dec 2002 12:26 am, Charlie wrote: On December 19, 2002 02:23 pm, Andrei Raevsky wrote: Dear friends, I have recently had the worst of times with my ISP who also is my main internet address provider (I use Hotmail, alas, only for my public messages since it is saturated with spam anyway). Ideally, I would look for a company in the USA, with either state-wide local numbers, or an 800 number to call, which would care about its customers and who at least have some knowledge about Linux (the big ones all want us to run Win32 software on our machines). Other considerations are, of course, ease of connection, downtime, etc. Is anybody on this list actually happy with his ISP and mail server provider? If yes, please help me out with this! Also, I prefer not to go with a company which provides email as a sideorder for long-distance or local telephone service. While I cannot afford to pay much, I use dial-up anyway, I certainly would be willing to pay for good quality. I was told that Earthlink is ok. Does anybody know? Finally, it would be ideal to find a company which is strongly pro-Linux or somehow linked with the linux community. Am I dreaming, Cheers, Andrei It's hard to tell what ISP's users running GNU/Linux are getting support from, but for overall ratings it's hard to beat the user's ratings at: http://www.dslreports.com/ (not just for DSL) I consulted them, and found that mailbox (for the UK) got extremely high ratings, even though I'd never heard of them. I made some direct enquiries from them, found their support helpful, and that they are linux friendly, and went for them. And I've never regretted it. Support is quick and friendly, and unlike some they never imply that you are an idiot for bothering them. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 20 Dec 2002 12:26 am, Charlie wrote: On December 19, 2002 02:23 pm, Andrei Raevsky wrote: Dear friends, I have recently had the worst of times with my ISP who also is my main internet address provider (I use Hotmail, alas, only for my public messages since it is saturated with spam anyway). Ideally, I would look for a company in the USA, with either state-wide local numbers, or an 800 number to call, which would care about its customers and who at least have some knowledge about Linux (the big ones all want us to run Win32 software on our machines). Other considerations are, of course, ease of connection, downtime, etc. Is anybody on this list actually happy with his ISP and mail server provider? If yes, please help me out with this! Also, I prefer not to go with a company which provides email as a sideorder for long-distance or local telephone service. While I cannot afford to pay much, I use dial-up anyway, I certainly would be willing to pay for good quality. I was told that Earthlink is ok. Does anybody know? Finally, it would be ideal to find a company which is strongly pro-Linux or somehow linked with the linux community. Am I dreaming, Cheers, Andrei It's hard to tell what ISP's users running GNU/Linux are getting support from, but for overall ratings it's hard to beat the user's ratings at: http://www.dslreports.com/ (not just for DSL) I consulted them, and found that mailbox (for the UK) got extremely high ratings, even though I'd never heard of them. I made some direct enquiries from them, found their support helpful, and that they are linux friendly, and went for them. And I've never regretted it. Support is quick and friendly, and unlike some they never imply that you are an idiot for bothering them. Anne Can I ask any of you, does your isp peddle you a line about , you must not have more than 4 appliances connected to any one telephone line as freeserve does. By this, I don't mean 4 appliances using the line simultaneously, which is not possible, but 4 devices, whether they be that computers or just handsets. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[OT] - Boredom warning - Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
On Friday 20 Dec 2002 11:30 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 20 Dec 2002 12:26 am, Charlie wrote: On December 19, 2002 02:23 pm, Andrei Raevsky wrote: Dear friends, I have recently had the worst of times with my ISP who also is my main internet address provider (I use Hotmail, alas, only for my public messages since it is saturated with spam anyway). Ideally, I would look for a company in the USA, with either state-wide local numbers, or an 800 number to call, which would care about its customers and who at least have some knowledge about Linux (the big ones all want us to run Win32 software on our machines). Other considerations are, of course, ease of connection, downtime, etc. Is anybody on this list actually happy with his ISP and mail server provider? If yes, please help me out with this! Also, I prefer not to go with a company which provides email as a sideorder for long-distance or local telephone service. While I cannot afford to pay much, I use dial-up anyway, I certainly would be willing to pay for good quality. I was told that Earthlink is ok. Does anybody know? Finally, it would be ideal to find a company which is strongly pro-Linux or somehow linked with the linux community. Am I dreaming, Cheers, Andrei It's hard to tell what ISP's users running GNU/Linux are getting support from, but for overall ratings it's hard to beat the user's ratings at: http://www.dslreports.com/ (not just for DSL) I consulted them, and found that mailbox (for the UK) got extremely high ratings, even though I'd never heard of them. I made some direct enquiries from them, found their support helpful, and that they are linux friendly, and went for them. And I've never regretted it. Support is quick and friendly, and unlike some they never imply that you are an idiot for bothering them. Anne Can I ask any of you, does your isp peddle you a line about , you must not have more than 4 appliances connected to any one telephone line as freeserve does. By this, I don't mean 4 appliances using the line simultaneously, which is not possible, but 4 devices, whether they be that computers or just handsets. John WARNING - The following text will be of no interest to any non Britons, and will be tediously boring to anyone who reads it. - This is because of something called 'Ringer Equivalence Number' or REN. In the UK we have a 3 wire circuit around the home. The 'A' and 'B' wires carry the telephone signal, while the third wire carries the 'ringing' current. The master socket contains a 1mF capacitor to communicate the ring current to the third wire. According to British Standards, the ringing current is sufficient to power up to 4 old style telephone bells. Each bell has a REN number of 1.0. Any more than 4 bells, and none of them may be audible. When a supplier releases a product on the market to attach to a telephone line they have to declare the REN number. If they declare a REN of 1.0 or higher it does not need to be tested by BABT (British Approvals Board for Telecommunications), any declaration less than 1.0 requires complex and expensive testing. The consequence is that all manufacturers declare a REN of 1.0 even though in actuality the products generally have a REN of around 0.2 This of course makes a mockery of the entire process, but it does explain why Freeserve tell you only to attach 4 devices. Gosh I have waited 15 years for the chance to explain that to someone ;-) derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
On Friday 20 Dec 2002 11:30 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 20 Dec 2002 12:26 am, Charlie wrote: On December 19, 2002 02:23 pm, Andrei Raevsky wrote: Dear friends, I have recently had the worst of times with my ISP who also is my main internet address provider (I use Hotmail, alas, only for my public messages since it is saturated with spam anyway). Ideally, I would look for a company in the USA, with either state-wide local numbers, or an 800 number to call, which would care about its customers and who at least have some knowledge about Linux (the big ones all want us to run Win32 software on our machines). Other considerations are, of course, ease of connection, downtime, etc. Is anybody on this list actually happy with his ISP and mail server provider? If yes, please help me out with this! Also, I prefer not to go with a company which provides email as a sideorder for long-distance or local telephone service. While I cannot afford to pay much, I use dial-up anyway, I certainly would be willing to pay for good quality. I was told that Earthlink is ok. Does anybody know? Finally, it would be ideal to find a company which is strongly pro-Linux or somehow linked with the linux community. Am I dreaming, Cheers, Andrei It's hard to tell what ISP's users running GNU/Linux are getting support from, but for overall ratings it's hard to beat the user's ratings at: http://www.dslreports.com/ (not just for DSL) I consulted them, and found that mailbox (for the UK) got extremely high ratings, even though I'd never heard of them. I made some direct enquiries from them, found their support helpful, and that they are linux friendly, and went for them. And I've never regretted it. Support is quick and friendly, and unlike some they never imply that you are an idiot for bothering them. Anne Can I ask any of you, does your isp peddle you a line about , you must not have more than 4 appliances connected to any one telephone line as freeserve does. By this, I don't mean 4 appliances using the line simultaneously, which is not possible, but 4 devices, whether they be that computers or just handsets. John No - we made it clear to them from the start that we have a home lan, and they happily stayed on line with me for an hour when we first started, to find the fault in my setup - which turned out to be purely a mistake on my part, and they were pleasant throughout. We have 6 computers and three telephone extensions on the line, and it causes no problems. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [OT] - Boredom warning - Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
On Friday 20 Dec 2002 12:12 pm, Derek Jennings wrote: WARNING - The following text will be of no interest to any non Britons, and will be tediously boring to anyone who reads it. --- Zz Zz... Only j/k is was fasinati... Zzz magnet :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [OT] - Boredom warning - Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
On Friday 20 Dec 2002 12:46 pm, David Robertson wrote: On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 12:12, Derek Jennings wrote: WARNING - The following text will be of no interest to any non Britons, and will be tediously boring to anyone who reads it. - --snip boring bit removed! --snip Tell me Derek, Where do REN's fit in with ADSL? I mean, does an ADSL connection have a REN rating (since you're in the mood for explaining things to us Brits!) David It is a long time since I left the modem business, so I cannot be so authorative about ADSL. An ADSL modem does not need to attach to the third 'ringer' wire. It will attach in parallel to the A and B wires, and will contain a high pass filter to filter out all the ringing and telephone signals. It should therefore not have a REN at all, but in the light of what I said about it making manufacturers lives easier if they do declare a REN I would not be surprised if you were to see a REN number written on the bottom. derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [OT] - Boredom warning - Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
SNIP WARNING - The following text will be of no interest to any non Britons, and will be tediously boring to anyone who reads it. -- - SNIP Well, there you are, it's not entirely bunk after all. One further question though. From the above explanation, all uk telephone appliances count as one of those 4 devices, but does a computer modem connection count as well. John Yes derek PS: John could you alter your mozilla mail client settings please and remove the Reply to Field. It is not necessary, and means whenever someone replies to one of your posts, it gets addressed directly to you and not the list. We then have to enter the list address by hand which is a PITA. Your non list mails will not be affected since all mail clients will address reply mails to the e-mail address they originated from if a 'Reply To' address is not specified. -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 snip My Inbox Happily Received This From Stephen Kuhn @ 20 Dec 2002 16:13:40 +1100 On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 16:01, Greg wrote: Some isp will not give out the dns numbers I have had two like that Greg If an ISP (or the idiot tech support person sitting behind the phone) won't give you the DNS servers for an ISP, you can get them from INTERNIC. Every DNS server is registered there. You can also get creative and trace through a domain. who cares about their DNS servers ? install pdnsd use the root DNS servers! - -- - - -- Katoob Main Developer Linux registered user # 224950 ICQ # 58475622 FIRST make it run, THEN make it run fast Brian Kernighan. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+Aq6hy2aOKaP9DfcRAjagAJ46h1qDNVC35I0dDFtQfZz0APq6JACeNBHH fJOxqEiK32YRcDyVz2u9FMA= =88RE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 16:46, Mohammed Sameer wrote: who cares about their DNS servers ? install pdnsd use the root DNS servers! Yeah - good point - I remember setting up a full blown internal DNS server when I lived in Garland, TX to deal with my two incoming cables - was a great help - ran it on a 486dx2-66 w/ 16mb of RAM and Slackware 3.2...worked like a charm. Bypassed the @Home network completely. Having to depend on DNS via the ISP does really suck - especially when they're having hiccups as it were. -- Sat Dec 21 11:30:00 EST 2002 11:30am up 3:26, 5 users, load average: 0.08, 0.09, 0.17 .o0 linux user:267497 0o. |____ | kühn media australia | / \ /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kühn | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | ;/ / | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU Coralament*Best Grötens*Liebe Grüße*Best Regards*Elkorajn Salutojn Good day for a change of scene. Repaper the bedroom wall. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
I had good luck with Earthlink when I was on dial-up, and still have it for broadband. Following are my notes for dial-up: connection name: Earthlink jmarcom authenticationPAP IP address (provided) Login ELN/jmarcom checkmark no autoconfig host DNS servers Earthlink.net checkmark Assign defaultroute to the gateway Their mail service isn't bad, either. HTH. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
If an ISP (or the idiot tech support person sitting behind the phone) won't give you the DNS servers for an ISP, you can get them from If that ever happens, run away from that ISP. It's like ordering phone service from the phone company and them not giving you your phone number. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
Some isp will not give out the dns numbers I have had two like that That's incredible. Imagine the telephone company not telling you what your phone number is. Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
What I'm trying to fully understand is what exactly does one mean by stating Linux Compatible ISP. Well, if they require windows-only software (aol, msn, etc.) they won't be linux compatible. I'm not sure I wouild even classify aol as an ISP in the strict sense. They're more like a portal to the internet, or a BBS. In other words, you aren't really truly part of the Internet as an AOL user. What ISN'T compatible about an ISP? Well, many ISPs may be compatible, and others may have some peculiar idiosyncracies that make operation with Linux difficult - for instance PPP over Ethernet (pppoe). A service that offers that is just a little bit braindead. It's making life a little more difficult, and it does manage to slow things down. All you need is a phone number, a username and password. That's all. That's all that's required. Essentially correct. That's all that's required for AOL, along with their proprietary interface software, of course. Still all that is done is a modem login. Assoming you're on a dialup connection - even if you were on DSL - what's needed (or strongly desired) is static IP, your own host- name, etc. Vanity hosts aren't strictly necessary, as long as your hostname is addressable, that's what counts. For instance one can connect to my machine at m206-157.dsl.tsoft.com. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
On Sat, 2002-12-21 at 16:38, David E. Fox wrote: Assoming you're on a dialup connection - even if you were on DSL - what's needed (or strongly desired) is static IP, your own host- name, etc. Vanity hosts aren't strictly necessary, as long as your hostname is addressable, that's what counts. For instance one can connect to my machine at m206-157.dsl.tsoft.com. ...and I see you're running the default Apache page, the default ProFTP setup...(grin)...not much to offer, mate! No anonymous login! No vain-glorious This is David Fox's Home Page page...gosh...not into sharing, are ya? (g) -- Sat Dec 21 16:45:00 EST 2002 4:45pm up 8:41, 6 users, load average: 0.09, 0.16, 0.34 .o0 linux user:267497 0o. |____ | kühn media australia | / \ /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kühn | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | ;/ / | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU Coralament*Best Grötens*Liebe Grüße*Best Regards*Elkorajn Salutojn I'll be Grateful when they're Dead. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
On December 19, 2002 02:23 pm, Andrei Raevsky wrote: Dear friends, I have recently had the worst of times with my ISP who also is my main internet address provider (I use Hotmail, alas, only for my public messages since it is saturated with spam anyway). Ideally, I would look for a company in the USA, with either state-wide local numbers, or an 800 number to call, which would care about its customers and who at least have some knowledge about Linux (the big ones all want us to run Win32 software on our machines). Other considerations are, of course, ease of connection, downtime, etc. Is anybody on this list actually happy with his ISP and mail server provider? If yes, please help me out with this! Also, I prefer not to go with a company which provides email as a sideorder for long-distance or local telephone service. While I cannot afford to pay much, I use dial-up anyway, I certainly would be willing to pay for good quality. I was told that Earthlink is ok. Does anybody know? Finally, it would be ideal to find a company which is strongly pro-Linux or somehow linked with the linux community. Am I dreaming, Cheers, Andrei It's hard to tell what ISP's users running GNU/Linux are getting support from, but for overall ratings it's hard to beat the user's ratings at: http://www.dslreports.com/ (not just for DSL) For ISP ratings in general I usually tell people to start at a site such as: http://www.etestinglabs.com/services/ibs/usratings.asp?visitor=X or just pick one in your area (Florida?) and Google them. :-) You'd be surprised how many complaints/kudos are available on newsgroups and various mailing list archives. As an aside I've been fairly well satisfied with the service I get from my ISP but it would be a bit too far for you methinks. ;-) Good luck and HTH. Regards; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org Thinking you know something is a sure way to blind yourself. -- Frank Herbert, Chapterhouse: Dune Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
Here in Wisconsin (USA) there are lots of options for internet (big cities in particular), who are REAL internet providers, not quasi like aol... On Thursday 19 December 2002 03:57 pm, Terry Sheltra wrote: Andrei, Check out this website: http://www.affinitypath.com/cgi-bin/mi/welcome.cgi?cb=2174 They even mention the Linux operating system in the system requirements section. You don't even need to download their software, and will even send you instructions on how to configure your system to dial in to them when you register. Their website says that they have access numbers in 43 states, so you should have good luck in finding a number. HTH, Terry Andrei Raevsky wrote: Dear friends, I have recently had the worst of times with my ISP who also is my main internet address provider (I use Hotmail, alas, only for my public messages since it is saturated with spam anyway). Ideally, I would look for a company in the USA, with either state-wide local numbers, or an 800 number to call, which would care about its customers and who at least have some knowledge about Linux (the big ones all want us to run Win32 software on our machines). Other considerations are, of course, ease of connection, downtime, etc. Is anybody on this list actually happy with his ISP and mail server provider? If yes, please help me out with this! Also, I prefer not to go with a company which provides email as a sideorder for long-distance or local telephone service. While I cannot afford to pay much, I use dial-up anyway, I certainly would be willing to pay for good quality. I was told that Earthlink is ok. Does anybody know? Finally, it would be ideal to find a company which is strongly pro-Linux or somehow linked with the linux community. Am I dreaming, Cheers, Andrei __ Linux-Mandrake 9 (Dolphin) Mandrake Club Silver Member Registered Linux user: 226850 Registered Linux computer: 183163 _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
On Thursday 19 December 2002 04:23 pm, Andrei Raevsky wrote: Dear friends, I have recently had the worst of times with my ISP who also is my main internet address provider (I use Hotmail, alas, only for my public messages since it is saturated with spam anyway). Ideally, I would look for a company in the USA, with either state-wide local numbers, or an 800 number to call, which would care about its customers and who at least have some knowledge about Linux (the big ones all want us to run Win32 software on our machines). Other considerations are, of course, ease of connection, downtime, etc. Is anybody on this list actually happy with his ISP and mail server provider? If yes, please help me out with this! Also, I prefer not to go with a company which provides email as a sideorder for long-distance or local telephone service. While I cannot afford to pay much, I use dial-up anyway, I certainly would be willing to pay for good quality. I was told that Earthlink is ok. Does anybody know? Finally, it would be ideal to find a company which is strongly pro-Linux or somehow linked with the linux community. Am I dreaming, Cheers, Andrei Andrei: I've been using Earthlink POTS service for almost six years. Over that time there have been very few service outages, and those were remedied on a timely basis. A couple of key features: 1. EL provides local access points all across the country, including many smaller cities and towns. In bigger cities, there are usually several numbers. FWIW, I haven't had a no-connect or busy signal in the last two or three years. I do get a slow connection once in a while which is usually remedied by hanging up and trying again. EL also has an 800 number available (this may or may not be an extra cost option -- I'm not sure.) 2. Unless you opt-out, all of your incoming e-mails will be filtered for spam through Spaminator (actually BrightMail). While some spam does make it through, the great majority of it gets caught. There have been only two instances when a legitimate e-mail was trapped. 3. I can't really comment on the OS question -- it has never been an issue. Their site is heavily slanted towards Windows (with some Mac references), but everything I've accessed works OK. But then, I really don't do much there. 4. I'm planning on upgrading to cable soon, using Earthlink as my ISP over Time Warner/Cablevision lines. (Less expensive, and more favorable TOS on what I can do at my end.) My second choice: Earthlink over BellSouth ADSL (Not sure about the 40 year old lines in my neighborhood.) HTH, -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
What I'm trying to fully understand is what exactly does one mean by stating Linux Compatible ISP. What ISN'T compatible about an ISP? All you need is a phone number, a username and password. That's all. That's all that's required. What else could there be? Two DNS servers, a mail server, a news server, a PPP-Dialin assigned IP address...what's missing? An ISP can't really tell what kinda of computer is dialing into their modem banks...they can't segregate. Most ISP's will state that they do not support linux, but that's only on the support side of it. They don't have the proper documentation to support users with. -- Fri Dec 20 13:55:00 EST 2002 1:55pm up 25 min, 4 users, load average: 0.11, 0.20, 0.18 .o0 linux user:267497 0o. |____ | kühn media australia | / \ /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kühn | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | ;/ / | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU Coralament*Best Grötens*Liebe Grüße*Best Regards*Elkorajn Salutojn And this is good old Boston, The home of the bean and the cod, Where the Lowells talk only to Cabots, And the Cabots talk only to God. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:58:09 -0500 Carroll Grigsby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip 4. I'm planning on upgrading to cable soon, using Earthlink as my ISP over Time Warner/Cablevision lines. (Less expensive, and more favorable TOS on what I can do at my end.) My second choice: Earthlink over BellSouth ADSL (Not sure about the 40 year old lines in my neighborhood.) HTH, I'm on Time Warner cable right now and just found out I have the option of Earthlink. Can you be more specific about their TOS vs. Time Warner? Thanks, Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
try www.eskimo.com I love them, eric On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Charlie wrote: On December 19, 2002 02:23 pm, Andrei Raevsky wrote: Dear friends, I have recently had the worst of times with my ISP who also is my main internet address provider (I use Hotmail, alas, only for my public messages since it is saturated with spam anyway). Ideally, I would look for a company in the USA, with either state-wide local numbers, or an 800 number to call, which would care about its customers and who at least have some knowledge about Linux (the big ones all want us to run Win32 software on our machines). Other considerations are, of course, ease of connection, downtime, etc. Is anybody on this list actually happy with his ISP and mail server provider? If yes, please help me out with this! Also, I prefer not to go with a company which provides email as a sideorder for long-distance or local telephone service. While I cannot afford to pay much, I use dial-up anyway, I certainly would be willing to pay for good quality. I was told that Earthlink is ok. Does anybody know? Finally, it would be ideal to find a company which is strongly pro-Linux or somehow linked with the linux community. Am I dreaming, Cheers, Andrei It's hard to tell what ISP's users running GNU/Linux are getting support from, but for overall ratings it's hard to beat the user's ratings at: http://www.dslreports.com/ (not just for DSL) For ISP ratings in general I usually tell people to start at a site such as: http://www.etestinglabs.com/services/ibs/usratings.asp?visitor=X or just pick one in your area (Florida?) and Google them. :-) You'd be surprised how many complaints/kudos are available on newsgroups and various mailing list archives. As an aside I've been fairly well satisfied with the service I get from my ISP but it would be a bit too far for you methinks. ;-) Good luck and HTH. Regards; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org Thinking you know something is a sure way to blind yourself. -- Frank Herbert, Chapterhouse: Dune Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
I have used earthlink in the past and can say I was very happy with them They even helped me set up my first Linux system for my dial up I use time warner cable now I did not know earthlink had cable service or I would have used them Greg Terry Sheltra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrei, Check out this website: http://www.affinitypath.com/cgi-bin/mi/welcome.cgi?cb=2174 They even mention the Linux operating system in the system requirements section. You don't even need to download their software, and will even send you instructions on how to configure your system to dial in to them when you register. Their website says that they have access numbers in 43 states, so you should have good luck in finding a number. HTH, Terry Andrei Raevsky wrote: Dear friends, I have recently had the worst of times with my ISP who also is my main internet address provider (I use Hotmail, alas, only for my public messages since it is saturated with spam anyway). Ideally, I would look for a company in the USA, with either state-wide local numbers, or an 800 number to call, which would care about its customers and who at least have some knowledge about Linux (the big ones all want us to run Win32 software on our machines). Other considerations are, of course, ease of connection, downtime, etc. Is anybody on this list actually happy with his ISP and mail server provider? If yes, please help me out with this! Also, I prefer not to go with a company which provides email as a sideorder for long-distance or local telephone service. While I cannot afford to pay much, I use dial-up anyway, I certainly would be willing to pay for good quality. I was told that Earthlink is ok. Does anybody know? Finally, it would be ideal to find a company which is strongly pro-Linux or somehow linked with the linux community. Am I dreaming, Cheers, Andrei __ Linux-Mandrake 9 (Dolphin) Mandrake Club Silver Member Registered Linux user: 226850 Registered Linux computer: 183163 _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Terry Sheltra PC Technician/Network Administrator University of Virginia School of Architecture 434.982.3047 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Registered Linux User #218330 Composed on a 100% Micro$soft-free PC -- Linux The Number one Os __ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
Some isp will not give out the dns numbers I have had two like that Greg What I'm trying to fully understand is what exactly does one mean by stating Linux Compatible ISP. What ISN'T compatible about an ISP? All you need is a phone number, a username and password. That's all. That's all that's required. What else could there be? Two DNS servers, a mail server, a news server, a PPP-Dialin assigned IP address...what's missing? An ISP can't really tell what kinda of computer is dialing into their modem banks...they can't segregate. Most ISP's will state that they do not support linux, but that's only on the support side of it. They don't have the proper documentation to support users with. -- Fri Dec 20 13:55:00 EST 2002 1:55pm up 25 min, 4 users, load average: 0.11, 0.20, 0.18 .o0 linux user:267497 0o. |____ | kühn media australia | / \ /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kühn | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | ;/ / | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU Coralament*Best Grötens*Liebe Grüße*Best Regards*Elkorajn Salutojn And this is good old Boston, The home of the bean and the cod, Where the Lowells talk only to Cabots, And the Cabots talk only to God. -- Linux The Number one Os __ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 16:01, Greg wrote: Some isp will not give out the dns numbers I have had two like that Greg If an ISP (or the idiot tech support person sitting behind the phone) won't give you the DNS servers for an ISP, you can get them from INTERNIC. Every DNS server is registered there. You can also get creative and trace through a domain. I've done consulting and work for several ISP's in the Dallas area - they were generally very particular about NOT supporting Mac's, OS/2 and *nix boxes - and it basically boiled down to lack of training or lack of documentation pertaining to their own systems. One that I consulted with, which is fairly well known in and around Dallas, only started to support Mac's, OS/2 and *nix because someone (ahem) provided them with the necessary documentation - so that the $10.00/hr monkey sitting behind the phone could read through it and tell customers what to do. Dial-ins have not changed much in the past 12 years. Before Windows machines dialing into slip/plip/ppp servers, *nix boxes and OS/2 boxes were dialing in. Doesn't it seem rather strange that an ISP would define their dial-up's by OS? -- Fri Dec 20 16:05:00 EST 2002 4:05pm up 46 min, 4 users, load average: 2.93, 4.47, 3.33 .o0 linux user:267497 0o. |____ | kühn media australia | / \ /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kühn | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | ;/ / | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU Coralament*Best Grötens*Liebe Grüße*Best Regards*Elkorajn Salutojn They may have been ugly. they may have been evil. But when it came to poetry in motion, the Things had all the grace and coordination of a deck-chair. -- Meet the creatures from the Dungeon Dimensions (Terry Pratchett, Equal Rites) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
I use Earthlink with BOTH Windows and Linux. If you can setup the dialer (which is not too difficult) then you you should be able to do so too. They do cost $21.95 per month but you can use them for as long as you like. I use them for about 600 hours a month (I'm a Dial-Up Usenet leecher, love dem MP3's) and Earthlink does have their own NEWS Servers too. Hope this helps. T H A N KY O U James R. McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Terry Sheltra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought Andrei, Check out this website: http://www.affinitypath.com/cgi-bin/mi/welcome.cgi?cb=2174 They even mention the Linux operating system in the system requirements section. You don't even need to download their software, and will even send you instructions on how to configure your system to dial in to them when you register. Their website says that they have access numbers in 43 states, so you should have good luck in finding a number. HTH, Terry Andrei Raevsky wrote: Dear friends, I have recently had the worst of times with my ISP who also is my main internet address provider (I use Hotmail, alas, only for my public messages since it is saturated with spam anyway). Ideally, I would look for a company in the USA, with either state-wide local numbers, or an 800 number to call, which would care about its customers and who at least have some knowledge about Linux (the big ones all want us to run Win32 software on our machines). Other considerations are, of course, ease of connection, downtime, etc. Is anybody on this list actually happy with his ISP and mail server provider? If yes, please help me out with this! Also, I prefer not to go with a company which provides email as a sideorder for long-distance or local telephone service. While I cannot afford to pay much, I use dial-up anyway, I certainly would be willing to pay for good quality. I was told that Earthlink is ok. Does anybody know? Finally, it would be ideal to find a company which is strongly pro-Linux or somehow linked with the linux community. Am I dreaming, Cheers, Andrei __ Linux-Mandrake 9 (Dolphin) Mandrake Club Silver Member Registered Linux user: 226850 Registered Linux computer: 183163 _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Terry Sheltra PC Technician/Network Administrator University of Virginia School of Architecture 434.982.3047 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Registered Linux User #218330 Composed on a 100% Micro$soft-free PC Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Linux-compatible ISP in US sought
I actually own my own internet company and we offer nationwide US access and are linux friendly for $19.95 a month. Unlimited service Usenet and 100 Megabytes for Personal Webspace and 10 E Mail Accounts Kenneth E. Spress [EMAIL PROTECTED] (586) 945-3801 You Finally Have A Choice In Local Telephone Service Ask Me How. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
