Re: [newbie] Missing posts
On Wednesday 26 Jun 2002 1:29 am, you wrote: On Monday 24 June 2002 08:26 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Michael Adams wrote: On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:23, Ralph Slooten wrote: On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, Jure Repinc wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: snip My KMail Reply to is left blank to ensure no probs with this list, and i don't have any. You could be right about the reply-to address. FWIW I have seen your reply and Ralph's, but Jure's only as a quote. Anne Anne: FWIW, your post didn't show up until this afternoon (Tuesday). I looked at the header, and there were no delays en route. Perhaps there's a problem with your ISP. -- cmg You could be right there - Since Tiscali began to be popular it has got very busy, and access at evenings and weekends is now difficult. It's possible, too that they are trying to deal with the spam problem, though I can't see why that would cause delays, even if it did cause dropped posts. It's all puzzling. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Missing posts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 June 2002 07:00 pm, Carroll Grigsby did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: I've got no beef with telling someone that they can't propagate any more Microsoft worms/virii until they get their act together. I wish more ISP's would take that approach. Perhaps it's not attacking the root cause (the whole damn windows system), but at least it's going after the co-conspirators. After going through three or four of these episodes, some of them might start thinking that there might be a better way of doing things. -- cmg i am for banning windows users from ISPs. first offence. ;) - -- If you don't know where you want to go, we'll make sure you get taken. - Japanese translation of Microsoft's slogan shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9GyGzBwq+ZwvIN/oRArElAJ97kj/Tz/yneNbLDQ4ebWKTC8xdzgCaAzMR YpUZYud/iOLa4Xa4jsMrpfY= =q+ac -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Missing posts
On Thu 27 Jun 2002 04:00, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Wednesday 26 June 2002 03:18 am, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Wed 26 Jun 2002 04:29, John Rigby wrote: The main problem is not your Linux setup or anything else, it is the not-allowed-to-be-discussed-sanely, Cybernazi anti-spammers. These idiots ( a careful use of the word) can interrupt the flow of messages from you, or anyone to anyone or anywhere else that just happens to route through their Servers. Thus, the spasmodic, but ever-growing problem we all now face from these *uncontrolled* incompetents. They are dictating what reaches this list or any other and we individuals. A curse on all their livestock! Cheers, I-told-you-so-years-ago-rigby Not only anti-spam! Over here the mail servers are getting bogged down due to the 'yaha-virus' catching on to the 90% majority. So as a new rule everyone sending more than 10 infected e-mails gets blocked off the smtp servers until they're clean again. That's called fighting the symptoms not the cause.:o) Good hunting, Harm. Harm: I've got no beef with telling someone that they can't propagate any more Microsoft worms/virii until they get their act together. I wish more ISP's would take that approach. Perhaps it's not attacking the root cause (the whole damn windows system), but at least it's going after the co-conspirators. After going through three or four of these episodes, some of them might start thinking that there might be a better way of doing things. -- cmg Agreed on all points:o) Only thing disturbs me though, is that they offer these people antivirus software (at a very modest price) but don't give a crash-course how to prevent it all. I mean half (if not more) of the hurt would go away if they told these people to turn off html and/or stop using Outlook. Instead they propagate fud-software ( the antivirus stuff) giving these same people a sense of security until the next mass attack. So, nothing changes except that those folks hate 'hackers' (that's what they call the 'script kiddies') all the more for making them feel insecure. To them it's not the OS but the bad guys out there, who are the real threat and .NET or palladium will be seen as a small price to keep them out. Hell, if there hadn't already been any viri out there, M$ would probably have invented them to stay in bussines. Good luck, Harm. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Missing posts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 June 2002 08:14 am, H.J.Bathoorn did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: Only thing disturbs me though, is that they offer these people antivirus software (at a very modest price) but don't give a crash-course how to prevent it all. Hell, if there hadn't already been any viri out there, M$ would probably have invented them to stay in bussines. fixing the problems ou created in the first place is a great way to stay in buis i swear to you the random sig file choose that one itself. it scares me. - -- The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them into it in the first place. -DOUGLAS ADAMS, Author shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9Gy5QBwq+ZwvIN/oRAq+8AJ9Kg5BDFsUYUi2bXMYf3sRTd+HEzwCeNtIo RiGuosIIyFADO/CV5Ou51SU= =wYNK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Missing posts
i am for banning windows users from ISPs. first offence. ;) why not? there are plenty of single line 1200 baud atari/commodore/etc bbses around... :) shane Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Missing posts
On Wednesday 26 June 2002 03:18 am, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Wed 26 Jun 2002 04:29, John Rigby wrote: The main problem is not your Linux setup or anything else, it is the not-allowed-to-be-discussed-sanely, Cybernazi anti-spammers. These idiots ( a careful use of the word) can interrupt the flow of messages from you, or anyone to anyone or anywhere else that just happens to route through their Servers. Thus, the spasmodic, but ever-growing problem we all now face from these *uncontrolled* incompetents. They are dictating what reaches this list or any other and we individuals. A curse on all their livestock! Cheers, I-told-you-so-years-ago-rigby Not only anti-spam! Over here the mail servers are getting bogged down due to the 'yaha-virus' catching on to the 90% majority. So as a new rule everyone sending more than 10 infected e-mails gets blocked off the smtp servers until they're clean again. That's called fighting the symptoms not the cause.:o) Good hunting, Harm. Harm: I've got no beef with telling someone that they can't propagate any more Microsoft worms/virii until they get their act together. I wish more ISP's would take that approach. Perhaps it's not attacking the root cause (the whole damn windows system), but at least it's going after the co-conspirators. After going through three or four of these episodes, some of them might start thinking that there might be a better way of doing things. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Missing posts
Michael Adams wrote: On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:23, Ralph Slooten wrote: On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, Jure Repinc wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: I know others have remarked on strange things happening, but I seem to often miss posts that start a new thread, picking it up on a reply. But then I know I'm getting some others through replies to replies, and that includes some that I have posted myself. Anyone any ideas as to what's happening? I'm fairly sure my filtering isn't causing the problem. Anne I think that there is a problem, that some posts don't have Reply To set to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or [EMAIL PROTECTED], ...). So when you reply the post goes directly to the man who sent it. I don't know why some posts have Reply To set to some other e-mails but I guess that these posts have that set in advance and then scripts for this mailing list don't set it to correct e-mail. Maybe they should correct scripts to change all Reply To to the correct address or just append the correct one. I have noticed this too, and it seems to me that it's mostly happening with KMail and Pine from what I see in the headers. It may not only be these that are giving this problem, so maybe it's just a wrong observeration. With the e-mails where it's going wrong however, the In-Reply-To: header is being set my the mailers, and this is confusing the Mandrake filters or something. Very annoying I know :-( Even my e-mails are getting this problem, and I have looked in the Pine setup but thereis reference as to how to change that. I think it's a server-side config that has to be changed. Greetings Ralph My KMail Reply to is left blank to ensure no probs with this list, and i don't have any. You could be right about the reply-to address. FWIW I have seen your reply and Ralph's, but Jure's only as a quote. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Missing posts
On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:23, Ralph Slooten wrote: On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, Jure Repinc wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: I know others have remarked on strange things happening, but I seem to often miss posts that start a new thread, picking it up on a reply. But then I know I'm getting some others through replies to replies, and that includes some that I have posted myself. Anyone any ideas as to what's happening? I'm fairly sure my filtering isn't causing the problem. Anne I think that there is a problem, that some posts don't have Reply To set to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or [EMAIL PROTECTED], ...). So when you reply the post goes directly to the man who sent it. I don't know why some posts have Reply To set to some other e-mails but I guess that these posts have that set in advance and then scripts for this mailing list don't set it to correct e-mail. Maybe they should correct scripts to change all Reply To to the correct address or just append the correct one. I have noticed this too, and it seems to me that it's mostly happening with KMail and Pine from what I see in the headers. It may not only be these that are giving this problem, so maybe it's just a wrong observeration. With the e-mails where it's going wrong however, the In-Reply-To: header is being set my the mailers, and this is confusing the Mandrake filters or something. Very annoying I know :-( Even my e-mails are getting this problem, and I have looked in the Pine setup but thereis reference as to how to change that. I think it's a server-side config that has to be changed. Greetings Ralph My KMail Reply to is left blank to ensure no probs with this list, and i don't have any. -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Missing posts
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Michael Adams wrote: On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:23, Ralph Slooten wrote: On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, Jure Repinc wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: I know others have remarked on strange things happening, but I seem to often miss posts that start a new thread, picking it up on a reply. But then I know I'm getting some others through replies to replies, and that includes some that I have posted myself. Anyone any ideas as to what's happening? I'm fairly sure my filtering isn't causing the problem. Anne I think that there is a problem, that some posts don't have Reply To set to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or [EMAIL PROTECTED], ...). So when you reply the post goes directly to the man who sent it. I don't know why some posts have Reply To set to some other e-mails but I guess that these posts have that set in advance and then scripts for this mailing list don't set it to correct e-mail. Maybe they should correct scripts to change all Reply To to the correct address or just append the correct one. I have noticed this too, and it seems to me that it's mostly happening with KMail and Pine from what I see in the headers. It may not only be these that are giving this problem, so maybe it's just a wrong observeration. With the e-mails where it's going wrong however, the In-Reply-To: header is being set my the mailers, and this is confusing the Mandrake filters or something. Very annoying I know :-( Even my e-mails are getting this problem, and I have looked in the Pine setup but thereis reference as to how to change that. I think it's a server-side config that has to be changed. Greetings Ralph My KMail Reply to is left blank to ensure no probs with this list, and i don't have any. Yes, but as I said, it's In-Reply-To:, not Reply-To:. Mine is too left blank, however when users reply my e-mails on this list I presume that they get my name in it too, in either CC or To. I don't have this problem on any other mailing list though, so it's pure Mandrake. Maybe they should filter out that line or something... just an idea. It seems to me that many more messages have the In-Rely-To, but when this comes AFTER the inserted Reply-To (by the mailing list) the problems arise, however when inserted before, it seems to work flawlesly. Beats me as to what factors determine where the Reply-To header get's added though, but it seems that the mail programs look at the last of the 2, no matter what the order is. I may be wrong here, but it seems to match in the several I have just looked at now. Greetings Ralph -- Homepage: http://tuxpower.f2g.net/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Missing posts
Anne Wilson wrote: I know others have remarked on strange things happening, but I seem to often miss posts that start a new thread, picking it up on a reply. But then I know I'm getting some others through replies to replies, and that includes some that I have posted myself. Anyone any ideas as to what's happening? I'm fairly sure my filtering isn't causing the problem. Anne I think that there is a problem, that some posts don't have Reply To set to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or [EMAIL PROTECTED], ...). So when you reply the post goes directly to the man who sent it. I don't know why some posts have Reply To set to some other e-mails but I guess that these posts have that set in advance and then scripts for this mailing list don't set it to correct e-mail. Maybe they should correct scripts to change all Reply To to the correct address or just append the correct one. -- Live long and prosper! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Missing posts
On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, Jure Repinc wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: I know others have remarked on strange things happening, but I seem to often miss posts that start a new thread, picking it up on a reply. But then I know I'm getting some others through replies to replies, and that includes some that I have posted myself. Anyone any ideas as to what's happening? I'm fairly sure my filtering isn't causing the problem. Anne I think that there is a problem, that some posts don't have Reply To set to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or [EMAIL PROTECTED], ...). So when you reply the post goes directly to the man who sent it. I don't know why some posts have Reply To set to some other e-mails but I guess that these posts have that set in advance and then scripts for this mailing list don't set it to correct e-mail. Maybe they should correct scripts to change all Reply To to the correct address or just append the correct one. I have noticed this too, and it seems to me that it's mostly happening with KMail and Pine from what I see in the headers. It may not only be these that are giving this problem, so maybe it's just a wrong observeration. With the e-mails where it's going wrong however, the In-Reply-To: header is being set my the mailers, and this is confusing the Mandrake filters or something. Very annoying I know :-( Even my e-mails are getting this problem, and I have looked in the Pine setup but thereis reference as to how to change that. I think it's a server-side config that has to be changed. Greetings Ralph -- Homepage: http://tuxpower.f2g.net/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] Missing Posts
I never knew majordomo was from the twilight zone. My mailbox is full of July 12th posts, about 14 of them. "Ty C. Mixon" wrote: This is about the 3rd time this has come into my mailbox. Anyone know why? Check the date too. -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [newbie] Missing Posts Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:16:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Axalon [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yeah and i'm usualy in the year 2000 On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, Civileme wrote: > Well, the date and time ordering is using the sender's time, which may > make it seem that way. I am on Alaska time which makes my posts seem > out of order to someone on the east coast of North America. That is > what I see. > > Civileme > > > Patrick Putteman wrote: > > > > > I have the strange feeling I'm not getting all the posts in either > > newbie, expert or cooker mailing lists. Just seems I'm missing some > > messages of some threads... Anyone else experiencing the same? Patrick > -- Ty C. Mixon ICQ #: 26147713 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Civileme Say: "One who buys dual scan display soon gains Optometrist for best friend."
Re: [newbie] Missing Posts
I'm still having to read mail in Outlook Express til I find a modem to work, but I always have time stamps for time of arrival. - Original Message - From: Civileme Well, the date and time ordering is using the sender's time, which may make it seem that way. I am on Alaska time which makes my posts seem out of order to someone on the east coast of North America. That is what I see. Civileme Patrick Putteman wrote: I have the strange feeling I'm not getting all the posts in either newbie, expert or cooker mailing lists. Just seems I'm missing some messages of some threads... Anyone else experiencing the same? Patrick
Re: [newbie] Missing Posts
Yeah and i'm usualy in the year 2000 On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, Civileme wrote: Well, the date and time ordering is using the sender's time, which may make it seem that way. I am on Alaska time which makes my posts seem out of order to someone on the east coast of North America. That is what I see. Civileme Patrick Putteman wrote: I have the strange feeling I'm not getting all the posts in either newbie, expert or cooker mailing lists. Just seems I'm missing some messages of some threads... Anyone else experiencing the same? Patrick
