Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Wednesday 13 October 2004 00:57, Eric Huff wrote: EH The archives have been started back up (thanks to Vincent), but the EH gap hasn't been filled. Over what time period is the gap? EH It is from nov 2003 until a few days ago when it was started EH up again. For that time period, we need to use the other EH sources... I can supply you with that time period if you like. It is in text format, with blocks of time in each file. Let me know and I'll send it to you. There's really nothing i can do with them, but Vincent might be able to use them. I'll send you his email address if you need it. thanks for helping, eric I think marc. theaimsgroup.com is up to date all along... -- linux counter #167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
EH The archives have been started back up (thanks to Vincent), Over what time period is the gap? EH It is from nov 2003 until a few days ago when it was EH started up again. For that time period, we need to use the EH other sources... I think marc. theaimsgroup.com is up to date all along... Yeah, they are both up to date. eric -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
EH The archives have been started back up (thanks to Vincent), but the EH gap hasn't been filled. Over what time period is the gap? EH It is from nov 2003 until a few days ago when it was started EH up again. For that time period, we need to use the other EH sources... I can supply you with that time period if you like. It is in text format, with blocks of time in each file. Let me know and I'll send it to you. There's really nothing i can do with them, but Vincent might be able to use them. I'll send you his email address if you need it. thanks for helping, eric -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
Hello Eric, Monday, October 4, 2004, 6:40:24 PM, Eric wrote: EH I should have sent the answer to this thread. EH The archives have been started back up (thanks to Vincent), but the EH gap hasn't been filled. Over what time period is the gap? -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
Hello Eric, Monday, October 4, 2004, 6:40:24 PM, Eric wrote: EH I should have sent the answer to this thread. EH The archives have been started back up (thanks to Vincent), but the EH gap hasn't been filled. Over what time period is the gap? It is from nov 2003 until a few days ago when it was started up again. For that time period, we need to use the other sources... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Wednesday 06 October 2004 18:15, Eric Huff wrote: Hello Eric, Monday, October 4, 2004, 6:40:24 PM, Eric wrote: EH I should have sent the answer to this thread. EH The archives have been started back up (thanks to Vincent), but the EH gap hasn't been filled. Over what time period is the gap? It is from nov 2003 until a few days ago when it was started up again. For that time period, we need to use the other sources... like : http://www.mail-archive.com/newbie%40linux-mandrake.com/maillist.html HTH Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
Hello Eric, Wednesday, October 6, 2004, 9:15:21 AM, Eric wrote: Hello Eric, Monday, October 4, 2004, 6:40:24 PM, Eric wrote: EH I should have sent the answer to this thread. EH The archives have been started back up (thanks to Vincent), but the EH gap hasn't been filled. Over what time period is the gap? EH It is from nov 2003 until a few days ago when it was started up again. EH For that time period, we need to use the other sources... I can supply you with that time period if you like. It is in text format, with blocks of time in each file. Let me know and I'll send it to you. -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
I should have sent the answer to this thread. The archives have been started back up (thanks to Vincent), but the gap hasn't been filled. eric -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 01:23 -0400, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: They are; Todd Lyons used to maintain them when he was working for MDK in the nutbar state. LX nutbar state? David Jackson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
I may be jumping to conclusions, but when mandrake's newbie archive stopped at exactly the same time as a mass unsubbing, i had assumed the same of the mandrake archives. IIRC, you're right that the archives stopped being maintained simultaneously with the mass unsubscribing. I just did a little more digging, and the expert archives are not only current, but they appear to be complete. This was definitely not the case the last time I checked early this year when there were no updates of either archive beyond November 15, 2003. Somewhere along the line, Mandrake seems to have corrected the problem with the expert archives but the newbie list got missed in the shuffle. Curious. Well, that is curious. If they were able to recreate the expert archives, maybe they can do the same for newbie? I just sent an email to Vincent. I'll report back with any answers. eric -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Friday 01 October 2004 01:14, Eric Huff wrote: Is Vincent still active? having read a news release from Mandrake within the last few weeks that said Mandrake was getting a $3 mill. contract from the French Gov. to create a secure OS for French use, I would guess Vincent was about as active as he could stand, just not with [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I would like to congrats him and Mandrake for pulling those teeth from the French Gov. here is the link http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/press/pr?n=/pr/corporate/2509 -- linux counter #167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
Is Vincent still active? having read a news release from Mandrake within the last few weeks that said Mandrake was getting a $3 mill. contract from the French Gov. to create a secure OS for French use, I would guess Vincent was about as active as he could stand, just not with [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I would like to congrats him and Mandrake for pulling those teeth from the French Gov. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/press/pr?n=/pr/corporate/2509 That's great! I missed the article earlier, so thanks for reposting. eric -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
LX, snip, snip, snip, and more snippage. Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Without that, MDK would be just another gray distro. Definite words of wisdom! How old is this guy? Should we be calling him *Master* ? We need to keep the newbie list the friendliest list on the net, so that we can continue to remain a haven for new users. A worthwhile pursuit even if some of us have become somewhat jaded. Still, we should strive in search of perfection, Yes/No? To that end we have an unusually large aggregation of socially aware users on this list; that are also technically capable. Did I hear someone refer to me again? (Grin!) My ears are burning for some reason! LMAO! LX I'm getting bored with constantly agreeing with this guy! He is consistently spouting truths and common sense like it's the left over coffee grounds at a StarBuck's. In order to save a lot of time complimenting Lyvim on his wisdom, I propose we simply elect him to the position of *List-Sensei*, and be done with it! All in Favor? However, I don't suggest a pedestal. The air would be too thin up there and he might pass out! Grin! Even though people like Bryan and I can disagree on philosophical and idealogical concepts, we still retain respect for one another (although there are times when you wouldn't easily notice it), and continue to participate on the list with the best intentions. A lot of that has to do with members like Lyvim keeping a steady demeanor and being patient with us passionate types who can get carried away. Lyvim is one of the few who maintains a relatively even composure compared to some of us and constantly offers help, suggestions and tactful nudges as to list etiquette instead of attacking newbies or welcoming them with criticism. I'd like to think that guys like LX will make this list a favourite spot for newbies for a long time to come and will ultimately lead to a better experience for most of us. Now, if only we could devise a way to increase Joe's Prozac dosage, and find a way to enforce a minimum caffeine limit of at least 6 cups/day in all list-members this place would be a lot more enjoyable for all! (By the way Lyvim? I hope my check is in the mail? Grin!) -- Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Friday 01 October 2004 06:31, Lanman wrote: LX, snip, snip, snip, and more snippage. snip (By the way Lyvim? I hope my check is in the mail? Grin!) You don't deserve a check for being trutheful. -- Regards; Hoyt Registered Linux User #363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 07:31, Lanman wrote: LX, snip, snip, snip, and more snippage. Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Without that, MDK would be just another gray distro. Definite words of wisdom! How old is this guy? Should we be calling him *Master* ? Personally I'd just settle for being Ann Coulter's webmaster. ;) We need to keep the newbie list the friendliest list on the net, so that we can continue to remain a haven for new users. A worthwhile pursuit even if some of us have become somewhat jaded. Still, we should strive in search of perfection, Yes/No? Exactly, which is the reason for me being Ann Coulter's webmaster, since she is the model of perfection. grin To that end we have an unusually large aggregation of socially aware users on this list; that are also technically capable. Did I hear someone refer to me again? (Grin!) My ears are burning for some reason! LMAO! I should have saved your ears and just said it out loud: LANMAN. grin LX I'm getting bored with constantly agreeing with this guy! I'm not! grin! He is consistently spouting truths and common sense like it's the left over coffee grounds at a StarBuck's. In order to save a lot of time complimenting Lyvim on his wisdom, I propose we simply elect him to the position of *List-Sensei*, and be done with it! All in Favor? However, I don't suggest a pedestal. The air would be too thin up there and he might pass out! Grin! Some might say that the air must be a certain specific gravity in order for me to be able to convert it into hotter air. Hehehe Even though people like Bryan and I can disagree on philosophical and idealogical concepts, we still retain respect for one another (although there are times when you wouldn't easily notice it), and continue to participate on the list with the best intentions. A lot of that has to do with members like Lyvim keeping a steady demeanor and being patient with us passionate types who can get carried away. Yet I myself am a passionate type like yourself. I just believe in sparring with those who I consider to be at least as opinionated and outspoken as I am, yet incorrect in my experience. I am sure you feel the same way about yourself. Such disagreements, IMO, advance the status quo. This is much different than newbie abuse; you can be assured that I *don't* believe in abusing newbies. Which is primarily why I wrote what I did; but I know you already know that. There's a big difference between disagreements between seasoned list members and an unwarranted attack on a newbie that's just getting into the Linux world. But once again I don't need to tell you that. Lyvim is one of the few who maintains a relatively even composure compared to some of us and constantly offers help, suggestions and tactful nudges as to list etiquette instead of attacking newbies or welcoming them with criticism. I'd like to think that guys like LX will make this list a favourite spot for newbies for a long time to come and will ultimately lead to a better experience for most of us. Thanks for the kind words, Lanman. There are some spring loaded prima donna's that might disagree with you, but I think they are the least of our difficulties. Especially since we have the OT list available for political disagreements and otherwise, therefore we can send them over there for decisive ends to disagreements (if they have the cahoneys to go, which most of the milksops that whine or bitch or have politically inflaming sigs don't have the nutsack to do it) and at that point I can handle them with dispatch. BTW you should visit us at the OT list, as you are constantly an interesting topic of conversation. ;) Now, if only we could devise a way to increase Joe's Prozac dosage, and find a way to enforce a minimum caffeine limit of at least 6 cups/day in all list-members this place would be a lot more enjoyable for all! Joe might think that some of this (that I wrote) is directed at him, but it's not really. In fact, Joe of late has been very newbie friendly. I hope that trend will continue. (By the way Lyvim? I hope my check is in the mail? Grin!) It was too big for one payment so it was the first of ten installments with a final bonus upon your subscription to the OT list. ;) LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 07:31:20AM -0400, Lanman wrote: LX, whack Lyvim is one of the few who maintains a relatively even composure compared to some of us and constantly offers help, suggestions and tactful nudges as to list etiquette instead of attacking newbies or welcoming them with criticism. I'd like to think that guys like LX will make this list a favourite spot for newbies for a long time to come and will ultimately lead to a better experience for most of us. snip Are you insane? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 13:27, Todd Slater wrote: On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 07:31:20AM -0400, Lanman wrote: LX, whack Lyvim is one of the few who maintains a relatively even composure compared to some of us and constantly offers help, suggestions and tactful nudges as to list etiquette instead of attacking newbies or welcoming them with criticism. I'd like to think that guys like LX will make this list a favourite spot for newbies for a long time to come and will ultimately lead to a better experience for most of us. snip Are you insane? __ Are you another annoying Democrat? LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 13:27:13 -0400 Todd Slater disseminated the following: Are you insane? Oh, indubitably, but I'm sensing some romance in the air here... ;-) I wonder where they're registered? -- JoeHill RLU / #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 14:03:24 up 58 days, 13:51, 5 users, load average: 0.28, 0.26, 0.11 +++ When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist. -- Archbishop Helder Camara Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 13:27, Todd Slater wrote: On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 07:31:20AM -0400, Lanman wrote: LX, whack Lyvim is one of the few who maintains a relatively even composure compared to some of us and constantly offers help, suggestions and tactful nudges as to list etiquette instead of attacking newbies or welcoming them with criticism. I'd like to think that guys like LX will make this list a favourite spot for newbies for a long time to come and will ultimately lead to a better experience for most of us. snip Are you insane? __ Are you another annoying Democrat? LX Can we move this to the OT list now please, before it goes any further? And Todd and Lanman would be more than welcome to join us there ;-) -- Regards Margot *-*-*-* Sent using Mozilla on a 100% Microsoft-Free Computer Registered Linux User 307617 http://counter.li.org Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.8.1-10mdk ~~~ Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter form of politics, because the stakes are so low. -- Wallace Sayre ~~~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 14:19, Margot wrote: Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 13:27, Todd Slater wrote: On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 07:31:20AM -0400, Lanman wrote: LX, whack Lyvim is one of the few who maintains a relatively even composure compared to some of us and constantly offers help, suggestions and tactful nudges as to list etiquette instead of attacking newbies or welcoming them with criticism. I'd like to think that guys like LX will make this list a favourite spot for newbies for a long time to come and will ultimately lead to a better experience for most of us. snip Are you insane? __ Are you another annoying Democrat? LX Can we move this to the OT list now please, before it goes any further? And Todd and Lanman would be more than welcome to join us there ;-) That was fast. I didn't even get a chance to complete another round on this one, thanks to Margot's vigilance. ;) Meet me on the OT list for further discussion of this, Margot? LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Friday 01 October 2004 01:01, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Without that, MDK would be just another gray distro. We need to keep the newbie list the friendliest list on the net, so that we can continue to remain a haven for new users. To that end we have an unusually large aggregation of socially aware users on this list; that are also technically capable. damn,,, first thing in the morning,,, and I _have_ to agree with LX. -- linux counter #167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 07:31, Lanman wrote: LX, snip, snip, snip, and more snippage. Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Without that, MDK would be just another gray distro. Definite words of wisdom! How old is this guy? Should we be calling him *Master* ? Personally I'd just settle for being Ann Coulter's webmaster. ;) We need to keep the newbie list the friendliest list on the net, so that we can continue to remain a haven for new users. A worthwhile pursuit even if some of us have become somewhat jaded. Still, we should strive in search of perfection, Yes/No? Exactly, which is the reason for me being Ann Coulter's webmaster, since she is the model of perfection. grin To that end we have an unusually large aggregation of socially aware users on this list; that are also technically capable. Did I hear someone refer to me again? (Grin!) My ears are burning for some reason! LMAO! I should have saved your ears and just said it out loud: LANMAN. grin LX I'm getting bored with constantly agreeing with this guy! I'm not! grin! He is consistently spouting truths and common sense like it's the left over coffee grounds at a StarBuck's. In order to save a lot of time complimenting Lyvim on his wisdom, I propose we simply elect him to the position of *List-Sensei*, and be done with it! All in Favor? However, I don't suggest a pedestal. The air would be too thin up there and he might pass out! Grin! Some might say that the air must be a certain specific gravity in order for me to be able to convert it into hotter air. Hehehe Even though people like Bryan and I can disagree on philosophical and idealogical concepts, we still retain respect for one another (although there are times when you wouldn't easily notice it), and continue to participate on the list with the best intentions. A lot of that has to do with members like Lyvim keeping a steady demeanor and being patient with us passionate types who can get carried away. Yet I myself am a passionate type like yourself. I just believe in sparring with those who I consider to be at least as opinionated and outspoken as I am, yet incorrect in my experience. I am sure you feel the same way about yourself. Such disagreements, IMO, advance the status quo. This is much different than newbie abuse; you can be assured that I *don't* believe in abusing newbies. Which is primarily why I wrote what I did; but I know you already know that. There's a big difference between disagreements between seasoned list members and an unwarranted attack on a newbie that's just getting into the Linux world. But once again I don't need to tell you that. Lyvim is one of the few who maintains a relatively even composure compared to some of us and constantly offers help, suggestions and tactful nudges as to list etiquette instead of attacking newbies or welcoming them with criticism. I'd like to think that guys like LX will make this list a favourite spot for newbies for a long time to come and will ultimately lead to a better experience for most of us. Thanks for the kind words, Lanman. There are some spring loaded prima donna's that might disagree with you, but I think they are the least of our difficulties. Especially since we have the OT list available for political disagreements and otherwise, therefore we can send them over there for decisive ends to disagreements (if they have the cahoneys to go, which most of the milksops that whine or bitch or have politically inflaming sigs don't have the nutsack to do it) and at that point I can handle them with dispatch. BTW you should visit us at the OT list, as you are constantly an interesting topic of conversation. ;) Now, if only we could devise a way to increase Joe's Prozac dosage, and find a way to enforce a minimum caffeine limit of at least 6 cups/day in all list-members this place would be a lot more enjoyable for all! Joe might think that some of this (that I wrote) is directed at him, but it's not really. In fact, Joe of late has been very newbie friendly. I hope that trend will continue. (By the way Lyvim? I hope my check is in the mail? Grin!) It was too big for one payment so it was the first of ten installments with a final bonus upon your subscription to the OT list. ;) LX You mean there really IS an OT list? Hell, I thought that was just a term you folks used to get rid of pesky individuals - sort of a ruse to make them insane looking for the OT list. Humph. Silly me! Where do I subscribe? Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 13:27:13 -0400 Todd Slater disseminated the following: Are you insane? Oh, indubitably, but I'm sensing some romance in the air here... ;-) I wonder where they're registered? Joe, Oooohhh! That ones gonna cost ya Joe! But, in all fairness, it's about time you developed a sense of humour! Guess those anger-management classes are finally paying off! If they're good enough for Charles Manson, you should blend right in! Man, You slay me! LMAO! -- Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
Margot wrote: assorted and copious snipping Can we move this to the OT list now please, before it goes any further? And Todd and Lanman would be more than welcome to join us there ;-) More of the same Best offer I've had all day. -- Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
Lanman wrote: You mean there really IS an OT list? Hell, I thought that was just a term you folks used to get rid of pesky individuals - sort of a ruse to make them insane looking for the OT list. Humph. Silly me! Where do I subscribe? Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 It's not an official Mandrake list - Mark Weaver kindly runs it so we can keep off-topic discussions away from the newbie expert lists. All are welcome to join - bring your own flame-proof suit! [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards Margot *-*-*-* Sent using Mozilla on a 100% Microsoft-Free Computer Registered Linux User 307617 http://counter.li.org Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.8.1-10mdk ~~~ Thus spake the master programmer: You can demonstrate a program for a corporate executive, but you can't make him computer literate. -- Geoffrey James, The Tao of Programming ~~~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
Margot wrote: It's not an official Mandrake list - Mark Weaver kindly runs it so we can keep off-topic discussions away from the newbie expert lists. All are welcome to join - bring your own flame-proof suit! [EMAIL PROTECTED] What??? No subscribe page? Jeesh! Do I just send an email with a subject that says subscribe in it or what? Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Friday 01 October 2004 07:31, Lanman wrote: Lyvim is one of the few who maintains a relatively even composure compared to some of us what /are/ you smoking? -- linux counter #167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
et wrote: On Friday 01 October 2004 07:31, Lanman wrote: Lyvim is one of the few who maintains a relatively even composure compared to some of us what /are/ you smoking? Whatever it is,...you cain't have nun! I is saving it fer Festus and Joe! Y'all will have to grow yer own! -- Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Friday 01 October 2004 18:06, Lanman wrote: Margot wrote: It's not an official Mandrake list - Mark Weaver kindly runs it so we can keep off-topic discussions away from the newbie expert lists. All are welcome to join - bring your own flame-proof suit! [EMAIL PROTECTED] What??? No subscribe page? Jeesh! Do I just send an email with a subject that says subscribe in it or what? Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 there is a subscriber page and even archives but just sending a mail and getting a confirmation will get you in -- linux counter #167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
Lanman wrote: Margot wrote: It's not an official Mandrake list - Mark Weaver kindly runs it so we can keep off-topic discussions away from the newbie expert lists. All are welcome to join - bring your own flame-proof suit! [EMAIL PROTECTED] What??? No subscribe page? Jeesh! Do I just send an email with a subject that says subscribe in it or what? Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 I'll ask Mark to get back to you on that - he changed the setup recently. -- Regards Margot *-*-*-* Sent using Mozilla on a 100% Microsoft-Free Computer Registered Linux User 307617 http://counter.li.org Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.8.1-10mdk ~~~ Meester, do you vant to buy a duck? ~~~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
Shortly after that, they set up a script at mandrake to kill bouncing addresses, so the two are linked, though it's funny that was the last post! It's a shame mandrake never re-subscribed themselves to the list after the big burp. I'm a little confused. What do you mean mandrake never re-subscribed? The non-mandrake archives get the messages by being subscribed to the list. I may be jumping to conclusions, but when mandrake's newbie archive stopped at exactly the same time as a mass unsubbing, i had assumed the same of the mandrake archives. eric -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 05:57, et wrote: On Friday 01 October 2004 01:01, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Without that, MDK would be just another gray distro. We need to keep the newbie list the friendliest list on the net, so that we can continue to remain a haven for new users. To that end we have an unusually large aggregation of socially aware users on this list; that are also technically capable. damn,,, first thing in the morning,,, and I _have_ to agree with LX. Is that a first? ;) LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Friday 01 October 2004 09:55 pm, Eric Huff wrote: Shortly after that, they set up a script at mandrake to kill bouncing addresses, so the two are linked, though it's funny that was the last post! It's a shame mandrake never re-subscribed themselves to the list after the big burp. I'm a little confused. What do you mean mandrake never re-subscribed? The non-mandrake archives get the messages by being subscribed to the list. I may be jumping to conclusions, but when mandrake's newbie archive stopped at exactly the same time as a mass unsubbing, i had assumed the same of the mandrake archives. eric Eric: IIRC, you're right that the archives stopped being maintained simultaneously with the mass unsubscribing. I just did a little more digging, and the expert archives are not only current, but they appear to be complete. This was definitely not the case the last time I checked early this year when there were no updates of either archive beyond November 15, 2003. Somewhere along the line, Mandrake seems to have corrected the problem with the expert archives but the newbie list got missed in the shuffle. Curious. As for the subscription thing: Aren't they all part of the same company? Hell, for all that I know, the servers are in the same room. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Sat, 2004-10-02 at 00:47, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Friday 01 October 2004 09:55 pm, Eric Huff wrote: Shortly after that, they set up a script at mandrake to kill bouncing addresses, so the two are linked, though it's funny that was the last post! It's a shame mandrake never re-subscribed themselves to the list after the big burp. I'm a little confused. What do you mean mandrake never re-subscribed? The non-mandrake archives get the messages by being subscribed to the list. I may be jumping to conclusions, but when mandrake's newbie archive stopped at exactly the same time as a mass unsubbing, i had assumed the same of the mandrake archives. eric Eric: IIRC, you're right that the archives stopped being maintained simultaneously with the mass unsubscribing. I just did a little more digging, and the expert archives are not only current, but they appear to be complete. This was definitely not the case the last time I checked early this year when there were no updates of either archive beyond November 15, 2003. Somewhere along the line, Mandrake seems to have corrected the problem with the expert archives but the newbie list got missed in the shuffle. Curious. As for the subscription thing: Aren't they all part of the same company? Hell, for all that I know, the servers are in the same room. -- cmg They are; Todd Lyons used to maintain them when he was working for MDK in the nutbar state. LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:41:54 -0400 (EDT) David B. Carter disseminated the following: Does anyone know where I could find list archives from earlier this year? Wish I could remember the month, but I can't. The subject line was probably something like Newbie needs help with sound on Mandrake 10. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-newbier=1w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-expertr=1w=2 -- JoeHill RLU / #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 17:47:13 up 57 days, 17:34, 6 users, load average: 1.28, 1.45, 1.44 +++ The struggle between people and capital is now an epic struggle between life and death. -- Vandana Shiva, World Social Forum, January 16, 2004 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Thursday 30 September 2004 23:41, David B. Carter wrote: Hi everyone! I was a member of the list earlier this year, but left for a while. I'm back now, and I have a problem. Back when I was subscribed before, I posted a question about getting sound configured on my old Dell GX1 machine running Mandrake 10 (I think--it may have been 9.2). I got a lot of help, and I ended up solving the problem. My problem is that I didn't keep those emails, and I have since had to rebuild that box, and I'm now facing the same problem. I tried to go to the archives page on the web, but it doesn't have any archive newer than December 2003. Does anyone know where I could find list archives from earlier this year? Wish I could remember the month, but I can't. The subject line was probably something like Newbie needs help with sound on Mandrake 10. Thanks, Dave What about this (all on one line) : http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?restrict=;exclude=;config=newbie_linux-mandrake_com;method=and;format=short;words=David%20B. %20Carter;page=2 HTH Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.0) - kernel 2.6.7* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
Il gio, 2004-09-30 alle 23:41, David B. Carter ha scritto: Does anyone know where I could find list archives from earlier this year? Wish I could remember the month, but I can't. The subject line was probably something like Newbie needs help with sound on Mandrake 10. Hey newbie , what about reading the basics, why you don't RTFM Read The F**k Manual Read The Furnished Manual Read The Final Manual etc I post you a Quote of the Welcome mailing list message 1) Use straight ASCII (TXT) format. Many people do not like HTML,RTF, or any other veird formate you may send. 2) give your e-mails MEANINGFUL subject lines (HELP! is a bad one) 3) Before asking a question, check the mailing list archive at http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/flists.php3 THIS ^^ on That page you found the URL for archive : http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/ http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/newbie/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On 01 Oct 2004 00:09:13 +0200 frengoGorgia disseminated the following: Hey newbie , what about reading the basics, why you don't RTFM Read The F**k Manual http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/ http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/newbie/ Hey jerkoff, you might want to actually visit those URL's and notice they are *out of date*. http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/newbie/2004-09/ Looks like they updated the Expert list, but Newbie is still showing nothing for September. -- JoeHill RLU / #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 18:36:41 up 57 days, 18:24, 6 users, load average: 1.40, 1.30, 1.27 +++ There are literally several levels of SCO being wrong. And even if we were to live in that alternate universe where SCO would be right, they'd still be wrong. -- Linus Torvalds Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Friday 01 October 2004 00:41, JoeHill wrote: Hey jerkoff, you might want to actually visit those URL's and notice they are *out of date*. heh heh,trust you to notice!;) It should be in the welcome message: Don't RTFM when Joe Hill's about or you'll get cussed at ;D -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
Thanks, Joe. I appreciate the help. To the other not-so-kind poster: perhaps you should read the RTFQ(uestion) before spewing acronyms. It clearly said in my post, that I HAVE visited those URL's and they don't contain any archives from this year! --- frengoGorgia didn't bother to visit the archives before spewing the following filth which was more worthless than the question on which he was commenting: Hey newbie , what about reading the basics, why you don't RTFM Read The F**k Manual http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/ http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/newbie/ JoeHill said: Hey jerkoff, you might want to actually visit those URL's and notice they are *out of date*. http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/newbie/2004-09/ Looks like they updated the Expert list, but Newbie is still showing nothing for September. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 00:50:35 +0200 H.J.Bathoorn disseminated the following: Hey jerkoff, you might want to actually visit those URL's and notice they are *out of date*. heh heh,trust you to notice!;) It should be in the welcome message: Don't RTFM when Joe Hill's about or you'll get cussed at ;D I don't mind the odd 'polite' RTFM, but hey, at least don't be such a beast about it, and make some effort to at least know of what you speak, eh? -- JoeHill RLU / #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 19:13:37 up 57 days, 19:01, 6 users, load average: 1.23, 1.25, 1.28 +++ It's hard to find a nonpartisan national security analyst with a good word for the Bush administration's foreign policy. Iraq, in particular, is a slow-motion disaster brought on by wishful thinking, cronyism and epic incompetence. -- Paul Krugman, New York Times, Sept. 7 2004 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Friday 01 October 2004 01:08, David B. Carter wrote: frengoGorgia didn't bother to visit the archives before spewing the following filth which was more worthless than the question on which he was commenting: That was just a bad case of foot in mouth disease, forget it:) -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 19:08:16 -0400 (EDT) David B. Carter disseminated the following: To the other not-so-kind poster: perhaps you should read the RTFQ(uestion) ROFLMAO! -- JoeHill RLU / #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 19:20:48 up 57 days, 19:08, 6 users, load average: 1.17, 1.32, 1.30 +++ He who does not put out his money at interest, and does not take a bribe against the innocent. He who does these things shall never be moved. -- Psalm 15 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
You're right. It's forgotten. Thanks to all those who made an effort to help. I was indeed able to find what I needed and shouldn't have to trouble you any more on that particular issue. I did learn one thing from all this. Make sure the subject line says it all because some folks may just click reply without even reading the body of the message! H.J.Bathoorn said: That was just a bad case of foot in mouth disease, forget it:) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 19:30:54 -0400 (EDT) David B. Carter disseminated the following: You're right. It's forgotten. Thanks to all those who made an effort to help. I was indeed able to find what I needed and shouldn't have to trouble you any more on that particular issue. I did learn one thing from all this. Make sure the subject line says it all because some folks may just click reply without even reading the body of the message! ...of course, someone *could* update the Twiki with alternative links to the updated archives. Oh, jeez, here comes Anne, gotta run! :-D -- JoeHill RLU / #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 19:39:58 up 57 days, 19:27, 6 users, load average: 1.25, 1.15, 1.13 +++ Where the state begins, individual liberty ceases, and vice versa. -- Bakunin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Thursday 30 September 2004 06:41 pm, JoeHill wrote: On 01 Oct 2004 00:09:13 +0200 frengoGorgia disseminated the following: Hey newbie , what about reading the basics, why you don't RTFM Read The F**k Manual http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/ http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/newbie/ Hey jerkoff, you might want to actually visit those URL's and notice they are *out of date*. http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/newbie/2004-09/ Looks like they updated the Expert list, but Newbie is still showing nothing for September. Joe: I dug a little deeper, and found that the last message indexed at archives.mandrakelinux.com/newbie was by Eric Huff at 04:29 on November 15, 2003; the subject was (are you ready) ** LIST ISSUES: PLEASE READ **. (How's that for irony?) Although the index page at the archive shows an archive for for 2004-09, it is empty. As in nada, zilch, naught, goose egg, zero, ain't-nothing-there empty. And it was last updated at 20:22:37 today. Also, for the edification of frengoGorgia, the correct usage is, Read the F**king Manual. Assuming that he is as anal about his own postings as he is about those of others, he should be grateful for this correction. Come to think of it, he pretty much leaves a first impression of all around anality here. (Uh huh, as in a**hole.) -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 19:15, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 00:50:35 +0200 H.J.Bathoorn disseminated the following: Hey jerkoff, you might want to actually visit those URL's and notice they are *out of date*. heh heh,trust you to notice!;) It should be in the welcome message: Don't RTFM when Joe Hill's about or you'll get cussed at ;D I don't mind the odd 'polite' RTFM, but hey, at least don't be such a beast about it, and make some effort to at least know of what you speak, eh? Right on both counts. LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 19:08, David B. Carter wrote: Thanks, Joe. I appreciate the help. To the other not-so-kind poster: perhaps you should read the RTFQ(uestion) before spewing acronyms. It clearly said in my post, that I HAVE visited those URL's and they don't contain any archives from this year! This being the newbie list, it is supposed to be friendly to newbies and helpful, and not a place for somebody to try to look smart by slashing anyone with a pertinent question. There are plenty of lists out there that do this already. Red Hat mailing lists are famous for their rudeness and complete lack of social skills online. I don't know what linux list on the net would rank as the all time greatest concentration of social imbeciles, but I'm pretty sure that the Red Hat list scores pretty good. Linux is already unfairly propagandized as being unfriendly without having the extra burden of being accused of encompassing a bunch of a**hole users. One reason I think Mandrake is successful as it is is because of it's receptiveness to new users and it's acceptance (and also education) of them. Without that, MDK would be just another gray distro. We need to keep the newbie list the friendliest list on the net, so that we can continue to remain a haven for new users. To that end we have an unusually large aggregation of socially aware users on this list; that are also technically capable. LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
...of course, someone *could* update the Twiki with alternative links to the updated archives. Oh, jeez, here comes Anne, gotta run! :-D The links look ok: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MailingLists points to http://www.mail-archive.com/newbie%40linux-mandrake.com/ http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-newbie http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/ Except that now the mandrake one doesn't load. They probably never had more than one person looking there at the same time before. :) http://www.mail-archive.com/expert%40linux-mandrake.com/ is out of date, though. The reason is probably this: when the big unsubbing in nov 2003 happened, some of the archives got unsubbed, too. I remember getting newbie back on the archive lists but, man, i can't remember exactly what happened with expert. Do we get subscription confirmation message that need to be answered to subscribe? I think that's the case, and if so, it explains why i was able to get newbie going and not expert. I talked to Hank at MARC and he added newbie for us and if it needed it, expert, too. I know i did post to expert asking who had the ability to add subscribers (to get us back on mail-archive.com), and got no response. Brings back memories: i was getting swamped with *thousands* of bounced emails before they set up the kill scripts... eric -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
Looks like they updated the Expert list, but Newbie is still showing nothing for September. Joe: I dug a little deeper, and found that the last message indexed at archives.mandrakelinux.com/newbie was by Eric Huff at 04:29 on November 15, 2003; the subject was (are you ready) ** LIST ISSUES: PLEASE READ **. (How's that for irony?) LOL! If i remember correctly, that post was probably about the thousands of emails bouncing from ex-listmembers or members with full accounts. Shortly after that, they set up a script at mandrake to kill bouncing addresses, so the two are linked, though it's funny that was the last post! It's a shame mandrake never re-subscribed themselves to the list after the big burp. Who do we contact there these days? Is Vincent still active? eric -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives?
On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 01:14, Eric Huff wrote: Looks like they updated the Expert list, but Newbie is still showing nothing for September. Joe: I dug a little deeper, and found that the last message indexed at archives.mandrakelinux.com/newbie was by Eric Huff at 04:29 on November 15, 2003; the subject was (are you ready) ** LIST ISSUES: PLEASE READ **. (How's that for irony?) LOL! If i remember correctly, that post was probably about the thousands of emails bouncing from ex-listmembers or members with full accounts. Shortly after that, they set up a script at mandrake to kill bouncing addresses, so the two are linked, though it's funny that was the last post! It's a shame mandrake never re-subscribed themselves to the list after the big burp. I'm a little confused. What do you mean mandrake never re-subscribed? Who do we contact there these days? Is Vincent still active? eric Active, no. Responsible for list servers staying up, probably. LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where are the archives, and Modem list?
expert is: http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/ i figure substitute 'newbie' for 'expert' for that archive also go: www.linmodems.org and: http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html for info regarding linux and modems bascule On Wednesday 06 June 2001 6:33 am, you wrote: Hello, I know I have seen these sites listed before, I know I should have grabbed them before also, but please, can someone re-list the site where the list archives are stored, and also the current modem compatability list. Thank you very much. Mick
