Re: [newbie] fetchmail and procmail
Thanks. I will let you know the results... =Paul --- Ralph Slooten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, sorry for the delay... On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Paul Schwebel wrote: Ralph, I can see three possible approaches. Approach 1: The one you wrote here makes sense, but I'm not snip Now you should both be able to read / write to those folders and nobody else. However this ends up, I've been learning alot. Thanks. We all have :-) LOL Give it all a shot what's the worst that can happen? Maybe your computer will turn into a barbeque :-)) ROFL! Good luck and I hope this helps explain some stuff. Ralph __ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] fetchmail and procmail
Yeah, but now...it's personal! ;-) -Paul --- Ralph Slooten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or, really to make things simple, why not just drop her old address (just not use it), create a yahoo mail address for her, and fetch that account using pop? This may save you a hell of a lot of time and effort :-) Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] fetchmail and procmail
--- Ricardo Castanho de O. Freitas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, quaylar wrote: So you better not run /etc/procmailrc! root privileges!!! Just make a simple one and copy to other users... much better than having a security 'hole'! Then, how do I get this to work? Say I put a .procmailrc in my home directory and another one in my wifes. The point of this is to filter the mail headers so that mail addressed to me goes to my mailbox and mail addressed to my wife goes to hers (we have different addresses that get forwarded to the same email account at my ISP). Now, say I log in. I have a .procmailrc in my home directory, so Linux invokes procmail. My recipe tries to move mail addressed to my wife into her home directory. I'm not logged in as root, so won't this fail? Will this work?? The man page says nothing about /etc/procmailrc. u sure ? and whats this then : man procmail If no rcfiles and no -p have been specified on the command line, procmail will, prior to reading $HOME/.procmailrc, interpret commands from /etc/procmailrc (if present). Care must be taken when creating /etc/procmailrc, because, if circumstances permit, it will be executed with root privileges (contrary to the $HOME/.procmailrc file of course). read more carefully ;) --quay -- == Linux user # 102240 = Machine # 96125 = Seti@home user == Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] fetchmail and procmail
In reply to Paul Schwebel's words, written Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:10:46 -0800 (PST) Now, say I log in. I have a .procmailrc in my home directory, so Linux invokes procmail. My recipe tries to move mail addressed to my wife into her home directory. I'm not logged in as root, so won't this fail? You will have to give yourself writing permissions in the directory of your wife's home dir for this action to succeed, I'd say. Paul -- He who binds to himself a joy Does a winged life destroy But he who kisses a joy as it flies Lives in eternal sunrise -William Blake http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.6.3 claws Open Source, Open Minds. Linux. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] fetchmail and procmail
On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Paul Schwebel wrote: Then, how do I get this to work? Say I put a .procmailrc in my home directory and another one in my wifes. The point of this is to filter the mail headers so that mail addressed to me goes to my mailbox and mail addressed to my wife goes to hers (we have different addresses that get forwarded to the same email account at my ISP). Now, say I log in. I have a .procmailrc in my home directory, so Linux invokes procmail. My recipe tries to move mail addressed to my wife into her home directory. I'm not logged in as root, so won't this fail? Yes, in my opinion this will fail miserably. The problem here is that you both receive mail via the same e-mail address (forwarded). There are probably several complicated ways to get this eventually to work, maybe by internally mailing messages accross, but this is of course a pain in the ass. 1 solution I can think of is to export both your mail folders, into a shared folder like /home/mail . In /home/mail you make then 2 folders, one for you, the other for your wife. Give read / write / excecute acces to both these folders of a common user (make something up like homemail or something). Add yourselves into these groups, and then you and her can both write and read into those folders. This way your .procmailrc can direct messages to het straight into her mailfolder. This of course has absolutely no point if you want total privacy, but hey, you married her :-) LOL Not sure what mail program you guys are using, but most standard mailfolders can just be symlinked to the /home/mail/you or /home/mail/your_wife folders. Hope this helps ya, greetings Ralph Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] fetchmail and procmail
Ralph,
I can see three possible approaches.
Approach 1:
The one you wrote here makes sense, but I'm not sure
what you meant below by export both our mail
folders. She uses Kmail, and I use Evolution.
Approach 2:
Put the .procmailrc in /etc and have procmail run as
root, though I'm not sure:
1. how to invoke it, and
2. I don't know if procmail runs with root priviledges
anyway, and
3.if I have to setuid it and if this is too dangerous
from a security standpoint, not to mention
4. I don't know if a procmail recipe can put mail in
any folder I specify or if it has to be a subfolder of
{HOME}/Mail.
Finally, we have Approach 3:
Privacy is not the issue. It's just that we share our
email account. Under Win9x this wasn't a problam, but
since Linux really isolates one user from another,
when I get the mail it goes into my inbox and when she
gets the mail it goes into her inbox. I get mail
intended for her and vice versa.
So, the 3rd approach might be to change the
permissions on the directory that fetchmail dumps the
mail into so we can both access it.
Is that easier than the symlink approach you
mentioned? We could each symlink our inbox folder to
where fetchmail dumps it? I haven't much experience
with symlinks, so I'm not sure how the permissions
would work.
However this ends up, I've been learning alot. Thanks.
-Paul
--- Ralph Slooten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Paul Schwebel wrote:
Then, how do I get this to work? Say I put a
.procmailrc in my home directory and another one
in my
wifes.
The point of this is to filter the mail headers so
that mail addressed to me goes to my mailbox and
mail
.
.
.
Yes, in my opinion this will fail miserably. The
problem here is that you
both receive mail via the same e-mail address
(forwarded). There are
probably several complicated ways to get this
eventually to work, maybe by
internally mailing messages accross, but this is of
course a pain in the
ass. 1 solution I can think of is to export both
your mail folders, into
a shared folder like /home/mail . In /home/mail you
.
.
.
This of course has absolutely no point if you want
total privacy, but hey,
you married her :-) LOL
Not sure what mail program you guys are using, but
most standard
mailfolders can just be symlinked to the
/home/mail/you or
/home/mail/your_wife folders.
Hope this helps ya,
greetings
Ralph
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Re: [newbie] fetchmail and procmail
No, I think I get it. Right now I have fetchmail get our mail. Then, you're saying that I can set up a procmail recipe so that when I get the mail, it sends wife-specific mail to her, and when she opens the mail, it sents husband-specific mail to me. Right? --- Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reply to Paul Schwebel's words, written Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:36:53 -0800 (PST) Hi Paul, If you know how to get procmail running on your own account, then there would be a simple solution as long as you have postfix running too. You can set up a recipe for procmail that determines if mail is for you or your wife. If it is your wife's, then just have . . . , the 3rd approach might be to change the permissions on the directory that fetchmail dumps the mail into so we can both access it. -- He who binds to himself a joy Does a winged life destroy But he who kisses a joy as it flies Lives in eternal sunrise -William Blake http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.6.3 claws Open Source, Open Minds. Linux. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] fetchmail and procmail
In reply to Paul Schwebel's words, written Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:12:12 -0800 (PST) No, I think I get it. Right now I have fetchmail get our mail. Then, you're saying that I can set up a procmail recipe so that when I get the mail, it sends wife-specific mail to her, and when she opens the mail, it sents husband-specific mail to me. Right? So it should be. Works fine for me, sending certain mails on to my work account. Paul -- He who binds to himself a joy Does a winged life destroy But he who kisses a joy as it flies Lives in eternal sunrise -William Blake http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.6.3 claws Open Source, Open Minds. Linux. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] fetchmail and procmail
A couple of weeks ago i set up fetchmail (among others) with help from this list... Works great now :) Thanks all! Reading all your comments here about the danger of running procmail as root. Is there not a similar warning with running fetchmail as root? If not, what makes feetchmail safe and procmail not? Paul wrote: In reply to Paul Schwebel's words, written Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:12:12 -0800 (PST) No, I think I get it. Right now I have fetchmail get our mail. Then, you're saying that I can set up a procmail recipe so that when I get the mail, it sends wife-specific mail to her, and when she opens the mail, it sents husband-specific mail to me. Right? So it should be. Works fine for me, sending certain mails on to my work account. Paul -- He who binds to himself a joy Does a winged life destroy But he who kisses a joy as it flies Lives in eternal sunrise -William Blake http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.6.3 claws Open Source, Open Minds. Linux. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] fetchmail and procmail
At 12:14 31.10.2001 -0800, you wrote: Thanks to the help I've gotten from this list, I'm configuring fetchmail and procmail to retrieve and sort my incoming mail. I'm on a single-user machine runing 8.1. The fetchmail part was easy, and I think I have an idea of how to write procmail recipe. My question is, where do I put the .procmailrc ? I'm sorting mail in order to put it into different Mail folders in different home directories. I have fetchmail running as a daemon. It dumps the mail into /var/spool/mail/paul. Depending on the To: field, I'm going to move the mail to either my home directory or my wife's. According to what I've been reading, Linux invokes procmail if it finds the .procmailrc file in the logged-in user's home directory. But, since I'm moving mail into different home directories, I need procmail to be run by root, even though either myself or my wife will be the logged in user. How do I do this and where do I put the .procmailrc file? put it in /etc/procmailrc (without the leading .) this will make the file globally used. --quay -Paul I can type 'man' really fast now Schwebel __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] fetchmail and procmail
Here is my procmail recipe. Put it in $HOME/.procmailrc then if it is working once you start fetching mail it will show where you sorted it in $HOME/.procmaillog. On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Paul Schwebel wrote: Thanks to the help I've gotten from this list, I'm configuring fetchmail and procmail to retrieve and sort my incoming mail. I'm on a single-user machine runing 8.1. The fetchmail part was easy, and I think I have an idea of how to write procmail recipe. My question is, where do I put the .procmailrc ? I'm sorting mail in order to put it into different Mail folders in different home directories. I have fetchmail running as a daemon. It dumps the mail into /var/spool/mail/paul. Depending on the To: field, I'm going to move the mail to either my home directory or my wife's. According to what I've been reading, Linux invokes procmail if it finds the .procmailrc file in the logged-in user's home directory. But, since I'm moving mail into different home directories, I need procmail to be run by root, even though either myself or my wife will be the logged in user. How do I do this and where do I put the .procmailrc file? -Paul I can type 'man' really fast now Schwebel __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com -- Arthur H. Johnson II [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Linux Box http://www.linuxbox.nu # Arthur H. Johnson II's Procmail Recipe # # This is my procmail recipe. Use the templates to configure # your mail filtering provided in the templates comments. # # Once you have your filters configured, simply copy this file # to your mail home directory with the name of .procmailrc. # If you wanted to be on the safe side, you could also run: # # touch $HOME/.procmaillog # # on your mailserver first, but that should not be necessary. # # # General Options # VERBOSE=no UMASK=077 MAILDIR=$HOME/mail LOGFILE=$HOME/.procmaillog # # Filter Templates # # Address Template: # # -- CUT HERE -- # :0: # * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] # folder # # :0: # * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] # folder # -- CUT HERE -- # # Change [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the email address you want filtered. # # # Subject Template: # # -- CUT HERE -- # :0: # * ^Subject:.*words # folder # -- CUT HERE -- # # Change words to what you want filtered from the subject. # # Filter configuration. # # Simply copy from the template and append to the end of the # following entries to create a new filter. Make sure you # uncomment the template thou! hehe # # # Death to spam and stuff im too lazy to unsubscribe from or # can't unsubscribe from # :0: * ^Subject:.*testtrash /dev/null :0: * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null :0: * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null :0: * ^TO_msnbc.com /dev/null :0: * ^From:.*msnbc.com /dev/null :0: * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null :0: * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null # # Filter subjects first # :0: * ^Subject:.*testproc test :0: * ^Subject:.*Cron admins :0: * ^Subject:.*webclip personal # # Now for the standard filters # :0: * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] newsletters :0: * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] newsletters :0: * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] admins :0: * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] admins :0: * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] mdkexpert :0: * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] mdkexpert :0: * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] ltsp :0: * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] ltsp :0: * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] newsletters :0: * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] newsletters :0: * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] kde :0: * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] kde :0: * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] kde :0: * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] kde :0: * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] kde :0: * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] kde :0: * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] newsletters :0: * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] newsletters :0: * ^TO_window.linuxbox.private.nu saved-messages :0: * ^From:.*window.linuxbox.private.nu saved-messages :0: * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] newsletters :0: * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] newsletters :0: * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] newbie :0: * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] newbie :0: * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] expert :0: * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] expert :0: * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] kde :0: * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] kde :0: * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] kde :0: * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] kde :0: * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] kde :0: * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] kde :0: * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] yahoo :0: * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] yahoo :0: * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] newsletters :0: * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] newsletters :0: * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] newsletters :0: * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] newsletters :0: * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] newsletters :0: * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] newsletters :0: * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED] ltsp :0: * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED] ltsp Want to buy your Pack or Services from
Re: [newbie] fetchmail and procmail
Will this work?? The man page says nothing about /etc/procmailrc. On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, quaylar wrote: At 12:14 31.10.2001 -0800, you wrote: Thanks to the help I've gotten from this list, I'm configuring fetchmail and procmail to retrieve and sort my incoming mail. I'm on a single-user machine runing 8.1. The fetchmail part was easy, and I think I have an idea of how to write procmail recipe. My question is, where do I put the .procmailrc ? I'm sorting mail in order to put it into different Mail folders in different home directories. I have fetchmail running as a daemon. It dumps the mail into /var/spool/mail/paul. Depending on the To: field, I'm going to move the mail to either my home directory or my wife's. According to what I've been reading, Linux invokes procmail if it finds the .procmailrc file in the logged-in user's home directory. But, since I'm moving mail into different home directories, I need procmail to be run by root, even though either myself or my wife will be the logged in user. How do I do this and where do I put the .procmailrc file? put it in /etc/procmailrc (without the leading .) this will make the file globally used. --quay -Paul I can type 'man' really fast now Schwebel __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Arthur H. Johnson II [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Linux Box http://www.linuxbox.nu Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] fetchmail and procmail
At 15:43 31.10.2001 -0500, you wrote: Will this work?? The man page says nothing about /etc/procmailrc. u sure ? and whats this then : man procmail If no rcfiles and no -p have been specified on the command line, procmail will, prior to reading $HOME/.procmailrc, interpret commands from /etc/procmailrc (if present). Care must be taken when creating /etc/procmailrc, because, if circumstances permit, it will be executed with root privileges (contrary to the $HOME/.procmailrc file of course). read more carefully ;) --quay On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, quaylar wrote: At 12:14 31.10.2001 -0800, you wrote: Thanks to the help I've gotten from this list, I'm configuring fetchmail and procmail to retrieve and sort my incoming mail. I'm on a single-user machine runing 8.1. The fetchmail part was easy, and I think I have an idea of how to write procmail recipe. My question is, where do I put the .procmailrc ? I'm sorting mail in order to put it into different Mail folders in different home directories. I have fetchmail running as a daemon. It dumps the mail into /var/spool/mail/paul. Depending on the To: field, I'm going to move the mail to either my home directory or my wife's. According to what I've been reading, Linux invokes procmail if it finds the .procmailrc file in the logged-in user's home directory. But, since I'm moving mail into different home directories, I need procmail to be run by root, even though either myself or my wife will be the logged in user. How do I do this and where do I put the .procmailrc file? put it in /etc/procmailrc (without the leading .) this will make the file globally used. --quay -Paul I can type 'man' really fast now Schwebel __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Arthur H. Johnson II [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Linux Box http://www.linuxbox.nu Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] fetchmail and procmail
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, quaylar wrote: So you better not run /etc/procmailrc! root privileges!!! Just make a simple one and copy to other users... much better than having a security 'hole'! Will this work?? The man page says nothing about /etc/procmailrc. u sure ? and whats this then : man procmail If no rcfiles and no -p have been specified on the command line, procmail will, prior to reading $HOME/.procmailrc, interpret commands from /etc/procmailrc (if present). Care must be taken when creating /etc/procmailrc, because, if circumstances permit, it will be executed with root privileges (contrary to the $HOME/.procmailrc file of course). read more carefully ;) --quay -- == Linux user # 102240 = Machine # 96125 = Seti@home user == Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
