Re: [newbie] mdk 10.0 community wont boot
On Sunday 21 March 2004 11:11 am, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Sunday 21 March 2004 09:53 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: Like the 9.2 LG cdrom deal, It's not Mandrake that's broken, it's some CD drives that aren't quite right. Not checking the md5sum of the iso, and then also from the burned CDr also contributes to the problem. It's also not clear to me if people who experience this problem have tried booting CD1 from both their CDrom and CD-RW drives. From the CD-RW would be the preferred IMO, and from a CDr, not cd-rw media. Well, I burned the CD on my Plextor PX-708a. I tried to boot CD1 from that same drive and it would not boot. CD2 does. I confirmed the md5 and the sums match reported values. The same Mandrake CD1 will boot from an older CD-ROM drive. My Plextor DVD Burner would probably not fall into the realm of cheap hardware. So, I don't think that this is totally md5 sum or improper burning related. I suspect that there is some minor anomaly in the iso image that is being spotted by newer or better CD devices but ignored by older ones. OK, then you probly need to look at the motherboard and what controller it's usin to run the CD drive(s). Also the bios. Also, it's more important to check the md5sum of the burned CDr, than it is to check the d/l'd iso. 'Course both should be checked and must agree. It's sort'a academic now tho, Warly's found a work-around -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] mdk 10.0 community wont boot
On Monday 22 March 2004 08:43 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: OK, then you probly need to look at the motherboard and what controller it's usin to run the CD drive(s). Soyo KT400 Dragon UP. VIA chipset and I am using onboard IDE controller for the DVD Burner, Primary Controller, Master/Single Drive. No problem with any other bootable CD-ROM's. Also the bios. Up to date per Manufacturer. Also, it's more important to check the md5sum of the burned CDr, than it is to check the d/l'd iso. 'Course both should be checked and must agree. md5sum /dev/cdrom agrees with official mirror md5sum value. It's sort'a academic now tho, Warly's found a work-around I am not complaining, I was able to install and that is what is important. I suspect that if I took the CD2 iso and reworked it to add the RPMS files from CD1, I could make a totally bootable CD1. However, I would prefer to wait for Mandrake's official release of 10.0 prior to attempting to roll my own CD's, or DVD as the case may be. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] mdk 10.0 community wont boot
When is the Official 10.0 Release? On Monday 22 March 2004 08:43 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: OK, then you probly need to look at the motherboard and what controller it's usin to run the CD drive(s). Soyo KT400 Dragon UP. VIA chipset and I am using onboard IDE controller for the DVD Burner, Primary Controller, Master/Single Drive. No problem with any other bootable CD-ROM's. Also the bios. Up to date per Manufacturer. Also, it's more important to check the md5sum of the burned CDr, than it is to check the d/l'd iso. 'Course both should be checked and must agree. md5sum /dev/cdrom agrees with official mirror md5sum value. It's sort'a academic now tho, Warly's found a work-around I am not complaining, I was able to install and that is what is important. I suspect that if I took the CD2 iso and reworked it to add the RPMS files from CD1, I could make a totally bootable CD1. However, I would prefer to wait for Mandrake's official release of 10.0 prior to attempting to roll my own CD's, or DVD as the case may be. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] mdk 10.0 community wont boot
On Monday 22 March 2004 08:56 am, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Monday 22 March 2004 08:43 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: OK, then you probly need to look at the motherboard and what controller it's usin to run the CD drive(s). Soyo KT400 Dragon UP. VIA chipset and I am using onboard IDE controller for the DVD Burner, Primary Controller, Master/Single Drive. No problem with any other bootable CD-ROM's. Also the bios. Up to date per Manufacturer. Also, it's more important to check the md5sum of the burned CDr, than it is to check the d/l'd iso. 'Course both should be checked and must agree. md5sum /dev/cdrom agrees with official mirror md5sum value. It's sort'a academic now tho, Warly's found a work-around I am not complaining, I was able to install and that is what is important. I suspect that if I took the CD2 iso and reworked it to add the RPMS files from CD1, I could make a totally bootable CD1. However, I would prefer to wait for Mandrake's official release of 10.0 prior to attempting to roll my own CD's, or DVD as the case may be. Well, there's more goin on than I can contemplate then Bryan. You certainly should not have any problem with that hardware of yours. I'm basing my opinions (ok, bias ;) on my experience that the only time during the 10.0 development process, IIRC, at beta1, CD1 wouldn't boot ... it was because I couldn't check the md5sum of the burned CDr. A re-d/l (torrent) of the iso cured the problem. That an I've made close to a half/dozen sets of 10-CE CD's for other's ... and they've had no problems. Even on hardware I wouldn't buy. I'm just plain wrong on this. Probly why it took Warly so long to figure out the problem too. As to Official, cooker updates have slowed to a crawl since this last weekend. In the past that's a sure sign, that after a little more testing, 10-OE will be ready. Now whether it'll then be released right away under the new scheme remains to be seen. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] mdk 10.0 community wont boot
On Monday 22 March 2004 12:33 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: Well, there's more goin on than I can contemplate then Bryan. You certainly should not have any problem with that hardware of yours. I'm basing my opinions (ok, bias ;) on my experience that the only time during the 10.0 development process, IIRC, at beta1, CD1 wouldn't boot ... it was because I couldn't check the md5sum of the burned CDr. A re-d/l (torrent) of the iso cured the problem. That an I've made close to a half/dozen sets of 10-CE CD's for other's ... and they've had no problems. Even on hardware I wouldn't buy. Well, I have had problems in the past, especially with the RAID controller on my board, I gave up trying to use it and just disabled it. I have a spare Promise EIDE controller that I popped in that works fine. The only problem that I had with Mandrake 10.0 was that I had to specify ide=reverse on the LILO options because if I don't, Linux always reverses the IDE controller to make the Promise controller primary and that means that Linux boots with one set of drives detected and then switches them out mid boot and refuses to find the kernel image. With that one option, it works great. I had to give up on 9.2, couldn't get that version to install regardless of which options I specified. I'm just plain wrong on this. Probly why it took Warly so long to figure out the problem too. As to Official, cooker updates have slowed to a crawl since this last weekend. In the past that's a sure sign, that after a little more testing, 10-OE will be ready. Now whether it'll then be released right away under the new scheme remains to be seen. Well, I just started looking through the instructions to build a bootable DVD and am planning on using the rsync directory of devel-stable, or 10.0 mirror to build an image with all the updates intact once it gets the blessing. Even if it doesn't work, it will be an interesting learning experience. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] mdk 10.0 community wont boot
On Saturday 20 March 2004 11:40 am, Margot wrote: I can confirm M10-Community-download-CD1 is BROKEN. Mine will not boot either, though I must be cautious here, my CD was burnt from failed md5sum iso in order to test for the problem. I've still got to download an effective CD1 iso yet. John Spent the afternoon installing 10 - the CD1 worked fine for me, so is not totally broken! Margot Like the 9.2 LG cdrom deal, It's not Mandrake that's broken, it's some CD drives that aren't quite right. Not checking the md5sum of the iso, and then also from the burned CDr also contributes to the problem. It's also not clear to me if people who experience this problem have tried booting CD1 from both their CDrom and CD-RW drives. From the CD-RW would be the preferred IMO, and from a CDr, not cd-rw media. When the problem first surfaced, I tried both my DVDrom (Teac) and burner (Plextor). Both booted CD1 with no problem. The real problem is not enough users (and their varied hardware) to test before problems like this get out into the community. Cooker'rs share the blame as many like myself, just use urpmi to update, and don't test each installer (beta's and RC's). OTOH, the problem is exacerbated, as many cooker'rs run quality custom built systems that are known to themselves to be Linux compatible. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] mdk 10.0 community wont boot
On Sunday 21 March 2004 09:53 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: Like the 9.2 LG cdrom deal, It's not Mandrake that's broken, it's some CD drives that aren't quite right. Not checking the md5sum of the iso, and then also from the burned CDr also contributes to the problem. It's also not clear to me if people who experience this problem have tried booting CD1 from both their CDrom and CD-RW drives. From the CD-RW would be the preferred IMO, and from a CDr, not cd-rw media. Well, I burned the CD on my Plextor PX-708a. I tried to boot CD1 from that same drive and it would not boot. CD2 does. I confirmed the md5 and the sums match reported values. The same Mandrake CD1 will boot from an older CD-ROM drive. My Plextor DVD Burner would probably not fall into the realm of cheap hardware. So, I don't think that this is totally md5 sum or improper burning related. I suspect that there is some minor anomaly in the iso image that is being spotted by newer or better CD devices but ignored by older ones. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] mdk 10.0 community wont boot
On Sunday 21 March 2004 10:11, Bryan Phinney wrote: Well, I burned the CD on my Plextor PX-708a. I tried to boot CD1 from that same drive and it would not boot. CD2 does. I confirmed the md5 and the sums match reported values. The same Mandrake CD1 will boot from an older CD-ROM drive. My Plextor DVD Burner would probably not fall into the realm of cheap hardware. So, I don't think that this is totally md5 sum or improper burning related. I suspect that there is some minor anomaly in the iso image that is being spotted by newer or better CD devices but ignored by older ones. Warly indicated on the cooker ML that some drives seemed to be having problems reading the boot catalog when it was located in sector 929. That held true for me on my Plextor. Other locations booted fine. Glenn -- 10:19:21 up 23:57, running Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586, kernel 2.6.3-4mdk Registered Linux user #324360 The degree of technical confidence is inversely proportional to the level of management. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] mdk 10.0 community wont boot
On Sunday 21 March 2004 03:29 pm, Carl J. Bauman wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect that there is some minor anomaly in the iso image that is being spotted by newer or better CD devices but ignored by older ones. This would seem to be true, at least it was in my case. BTW, this is covered by the errata at http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/errata.php3. HTH, Carl I have loaded 10.0 on 6 machines so far and about half of them will boot from CD1 and in the other half I have had to boot with CD2 and then switch to CD 2 Before it was all done and said 10.0 installed perfectly on all 6 machines except for the minor problem of booting from CD1 Marc -- Composed on a 100% Microsoft and windows free computer using Mandrake Linux 10.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] mdk 10.0 community wont boot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 March 2004 18:38, ltcddata wrote: hi Hi, Data i downloaded mdk10.0 community and put them onto cds. for some reason disk one wont boot from cd to allow me to install on this machine... but does on my other one?? just at the point where it says boot from cd .. the cd then spins up but fails to load then it goes to lilo. i have tried to burn it slower and change my optical devices etc but nothing works.. could this be a bug in the iso of cd1? There has been talk of this on the expert list - if you need more info try the archives, but the gist, as I understand it, is that there is a bug that is proving very difficult to solve. Booting from cd1 works on some machines but not on others. On those machines the workaround is to boot from cd2 then go back to cd1. HTH Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAXBsgkFAvMr/nNX8RAtQEAJ914rWO2b0XTGJ93QKX1fA4FiT4aQCgoTji KS9bMNzt8y/xGqMTpl4XL0k= =geBm -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] mdk 10.0 community wont boot
On Saturday 20 March 2004 03:21, Anne Wilson wrote: There has been talk of this on the expert list - if you need more info try the archives, but the gist, as I understand it, is that there is a bug that is proving very difficult to solve. Booting from cd1 works on some machines but not on others. On those machines the workaround is to boot from cd2 then go back to cd1. HTH Anne The problem seems to lie in which sector contains the boot catalog. Some test ISOs were released to test the theory, and the culprit seems to be that some CD drives are failing to boot up the CD when the ISO places the boot catalog in sector 929. At least, that's the drift I'm getting on the cooker list. It seems to have held true on my drive. Glenn -- 04:58:49 up 7:00, running Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586, kernel 2.6.3-4mdk Registered Linux user #324360 When people say nothing, they don't necessarily mean nothing. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] mdk 10.0 community wont boot
Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 18 March 2004 18:38, ltcddata wrote: hi Hi, Data i downloaded mdk10.0 community and put them onto cds. for some reason disk one wont boot from cd to allow me to install on this machine... but does on my other one?? just at the point where it says boot from cd .. the cd then spins up but fails to load then it goes to lilo. i have tried to burn it slower and change my optical devices etc but nothing works.. could this be a bug in the iso of cd1? There has been talk of this on the expert list - if you need more info try the archives, but the gist, as I understand it, is that there is a bug that is proving very difficult to solve. Booting from cd1 works on some machines but not on others. On those machines the workaround is to boot from cd2 then go back to cd1. HTH Anne -- I can confirm M10-Community-download-CD1 is BROKEN. Mine will not boot either, though I must be cautious here, my CD was burnt from failed md5sum iso in order to test for the problem. I've still got to download an effective CD1 iso yet. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] mdk 10.0 community wont boot
John Richard Smith wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 18 March 2004 18:38, ltcddata wrote: hi Hi, Data i downloaded mdk10.0 community and put them onto cds. for some reason disk one wont boot from cd to allow me to install on this machine... but does on my other one?? just at the point where it says boot from cd .. the cd then spins up but fails to load then it goes to lilo. i have tried to burn it slower and change my optical devices etc but nothing works.. could this be a bug in the iso of cd1? There has been talk of this on the expert list - if you need more info try the archives, but the gist, as I understand it, is that there is a bug that is proving very difficult to solve. Booting from cd1 works on some machines but not on others. On those machines the workaround is to boot from cd2 then go back to cd1. HTH Anne -- I can confirm M10-Community-download-CD1 is BROKEN. Mine will not boot either, though I must be cautious here, my CD was burnt from failed md5sum iso in order to test for the problem. I've still got to download an effective CD1 iso yet. John Spent the afternoon installing 10 - the CD1 worked fine for me, so is not totally broken! Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
