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I know z80 asm. I need my reference chart of course, but I have writen programs. Anyone here managed to get windows 95 to run on an amstrad with a z80 and 64k ram? I have. I had to rewrite the gui part so it would run. There were no drives, but it did have a working start menu. It used a loystick as a mouse. The idea was to show how bloted windows is. The hardest part was the dithering routine. I ended up removeing it and just useing nearest color. It was writen in basic with a few routines in machine code. I lost the code. Nice one! The closest I saw to that personally was a GUI that bore more than a passing resemblance to Windoze that ran on the 48k Sinclair Spectrum. This machine also used the Z80 (actually Z8080A) processor, and was the replacement for the Sinclair ZX81 (my first 'personal computer')! It's a pity you lost the code - I'd have LOVED to parse that... Regards, Ozz.
Re: OT [newbie] Off-topic posts.
I know z80 asm. I need my reference chart of course, but I have writen programs. Anyone here managed to get windows 95 to run on an amstrad with a z80 and 64k ram? I have. I had to rewrite the gui part so it would run. There were no drives, but it did have a working start menu. It used a loystick as a mouse. The idea was to show how bloted windows is. The hardest part was the dithering routine. I ended up removeing it and just useing nearest color. It was writen in basic with a few routines in machine code. I lost the code. - Original Message - From: "Carroll Grigsby" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 2:00 AM Subject: Re: OT [newbie] Off-topic posts. Ozz: Can't resist it -- I once had a boss who claimed that he learned to program in octal. The hard part was punching the holes in the cards with a nail file. (oh well, it is labeled off-topic, right..) -- Carroll "Austin L. Denyer" wrote: It also helps for programming. Those of us who can remember programming in raw hex using a 25-key keypad with a 7-segment LED display on a machine with only a few kilobytes of RAM know the importance of tight code. A lot of today's programmers wouldn't believe the applications we could write in a few kilobytes. Also, the tight code ran so much faster than today's bloatware... Oh well. Regards, Ozz.
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On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, you wrote: Hear, Hear, or Here, Here !! Thanks for some common sense ! I'm Canadian, and and I'm sick to death of this crap! - Original Message - From: "Mark Weaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 9:36 AM Subject: Re: OT [newbie] Off-topic posts. Maybe I'm missing the obvious here, but what the fsck is it about US Politics that "even vaguely relates" to Linux? Please, humor me, this bemused Linux user is eager to learn... I agree that "you post messages to a list for the benefit of that list seeing and responding". BUT What makes you think that the Mandrake Linux Newbie list members (many of whom are from other countries) are even remotely interested in US politics? If I want Linux information then I sign up to a Linux list. If I want that political crap I'll sign up to a US politics list. Regards, Ozz. (Who is about ready to quit this list until the twits get a clue) Thank you Ozz...very well put. I'm glad that someone has finally said it and it couldn't have been said any better. I live in the States and I definately don't want to hear about this crap on the list. It's all ya hear about in the stinkin news all the time. Enough already! Mark Ozz, you read my mind... enough of the politics... only linux in this house!!! Gavin
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Ozz: Can't resist it -- I once had a boss who claimed that he learned to program in octal. The hard part was punching the holes in the cards with a nail file. (oh well, it is labeled off-topic, right..) -- Carroll "Austin L. Denyer" wrote: It also helps for programming. Those of us who can remember programming in raw hex using a 25-key keypad with a 7-segment LED display on a machine with only a few kilobytes of RAM know the importance of tight code. A lot of today's programmers wouldn't believe the applications we could write in a few kilobytes. Also, the tight code ran so much faster than today's bloatware... Oh well. Regards, Ozz.
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Paul R wrote: So what do you use it for? -Paul R Yup and I still have a working 6502 Sym-1 from Synertek (circa 1975) Wouldn't let it go for .. either !! Runs 24/7, still my only means of burning EPROMS, is the front end of a security system, and monitors my rainguage. Runs 32KB of 2114 static ram on 8 boards of 4kb each. The security system is a bit over 2kb in length and the eprom burner is written in BASIC with a few small chunks of machine code to manage the critical timing parts of the burn. I use a qwerty keyboard which was released by Synertec at about the same time. The monitor is a modified 11" portable TV. Cheers -- ICQ# 89345394 Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected" (The UNIX Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June 1972.)
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Maybe I'm missing the obvious here, but what the fsck is it about US Politics that "even vaguely relates" to Linux? Please, humor me, this bemused Linux user is eager to learn... I agree that "you post messages to a list for the benefit of that list seeing and responding". BUT What makes you think that the Mandrake Linux Newbie list members (many of whom are from other countries) are even remotely interested in US politics? If I want Linux information then I sign up to a Linux list. If I want that political crap I'll sign up to a US politics list. Regards, Ozz. (Who is about ready to quit this list until the twits get a clue) Thank you Ozz...very well put. I'm glad that someone has finally said it and it couldn't have been said any better. I live in the States and I definately don't want to hear about this crap on the list. It's all ya hear about in the stinkin news all the time. Enough already! Mark
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Hear, Hear, or Here, Here !! Thanks for some common sense ! I'm Canadian, and and I'm sick to death of this crap! - Original Message - From: "Mark Weaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 9:36 AM Subject: Re: OT [newbie] Off-topic posts. Maybe I'm missing the obvious here, but what the fsck is it about US Politics that "even vaguely relates" to Linux? Please, humor me, this bemused Linux user is eager to learn... I agree that "you post messages to a list for the benefit of that list seeing and responding". BUT What makes you think that the Mandrake Linux Newbie list members (many of whom are from other countries) are even remotely interested in US politics? If I want Linux information then I sign up to a Linux list. If I want that political crap I'll sign up to a US politics list. Regards, Ozz. (Who is about ready to quit this list until the twits get a clue) Thank you Ozz...very well put. I'm glad that someone has finally said it and it couldn't have been said any better. I live in the States and I definately don't want to hear about this crap on the list. It's all ya hear about in the stinkin news all the time. Enough already! Mark
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In a message dated 9/29/2000 6:09:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: be moderated. If not then anything that even vaugely relates should be fine. When people start telling others what they can or can't talk about then things just go to hell w/ flame wars etc. A new list is great but minor snip Maybe I'm missing the obvious here, but what the fsck is it about US Politics that "even vaguely relates" to Linux? Please, humor me, this bemused Linux user is eager to learn... snip Regards, Ozz. As you've noticed, politics is a very unusual topic. Everybody seems to have something to say. It is much tollerated, except when you disagree. And it's sad that anybody has to suffer exposure to it if they don't want to, let alone on this Linux group.And it has nothing to do with Linux, just with the survival of the human race. Whoever the idiot is that becomes the president, he has the power to distroy the world, he will have to deal with Saddam Hussein and the whole Arab situation, he has to deal with China and Russia, he has to deal with the U.S. Congress and they with him [they prettymuch stopped the current guy], and many other things of botlh United States and world wide importance. And somehow its far too much like a High School Presidential election! [i.e. has aspects of a popularity contest] However everyone in the world will live with the consequences of the election, one way or the other. Like it or not. And some don't so much that they try to assasinate him. And, the oddest thing of all -- most Presidents start doing good for the U.S. and the world after they become ex-Presidents! I was flamed for posting something about the history of computing and how situations at that time influenced the development of GNU and eventually Linux. It's amused me at how long this political discussion has gone on and the turns it has taken, from funny to screaming curses. -Gary-
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I'm thinking about moving to Canada. On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Dan LaBine wrote: Hear, Hear, or Here, Here !! Thanks for some common sense ! I'm Canadian, and and I'm sick to death of this crap! - Original Message - From: "Mark Weaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 9:36 AM Subject: Re: OT [newbie] Off-topic posts. Maybe I'm missing the obvious here, but what the fsck is it about US Politics that "even vaguely relates" to Linux? Please, humor me, this bemused Linux user is eager to learn... I agree that "you post messages to a list for the benefit of that list seeing and responding". BUT What makes you think that the Mandrake Linux Newbie list members (many of whom are from other countries) are even remotely interested in US politics? If I want Linux information then I sign up to a Linux list. If I want that political crap I'll sign up to a US politics list. Regards, Ozz. (Who is about ready to quit this list until the twits get a clue) Thank you Ozz...very well put. I'm glad that someone has finally said it and it couldn't have been said any better. I live in the States and I definately don't want to hear about this crap on the list. It's all ya hear about in the stinkin news all the time. Enough already! Mark
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Oh, if it were as simple as that to get away from U.S. politics. -Gary- In a message dated 9/30/2000 2:27:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm thinking about moving to Canada. On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Dan LaBine wrote: Hear, Hear, or Here, Here !! Thanks for some common sense ! I'm Canadian, and and I'm sick to death of this crap!
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be moderated. If not then anything that even vaugely relates should be fine. When people start telling others what they can or can't talk about then things just go to hell w/ flame wars etc. A new list is great but minor snip Maybe I'm missing the obvious here, but what the fsck is it about US Politics that "even vaguely relates" to Linux? Please, humor me, this bemused Linux user is eager to learn... snip As you've noticed, politics is a very unusual topic. Everybody seems to have something to say. It is much tollerated, except when you disagree. And it's sad that anybody has to suffer exposure to it if they don't want to, let alone on this Linux group.And it has nothing to do with Linux, just with the survival of the human race. I agree. To me, politics has no place in a Linux list. This is where we learn the tricks of the trade for a computer operating system. The users are generally not interested in 'my politician is better than your politician', any more than they are interested in 'my God is better than your God', or 'my color is better than your color', or "my sex is better than your sex', or any other such bigotry. The closest we have here are the 'techie wars' of (for example) vi/pico/emacs, Windoze/Linux, etc., and even they tend to suck, as the ferocity of the argument is generally inversely proportional to the amount of hard evidence to back either side... I was flamed for posting something about the history of computing and how situations at that time influenced the development of GNU and eventually Linux. It's amused me at how long this political discussion has gone on and the turns it has taken, from funny to screaming curses. -Gary- I for one was saddened by the flames you received for your 'history lessons'. Why? Because I believe that Linux and the history of computing are inextricably linked. It is a lot easier to understand Linux, and why Linux is the way it is, if you have a good basic understanding of the history of computing. It also helps for programming. Those of us who can remember programming in raw hex using a 25-key keypad with a 7-segment LED display on a machine with only a few kilobytes of RAM know the importance of tight code. A lot of today's programmers wouldn't believe the applications we could write in a few kilobytes. Also, the tight code ran so much faster than today's bloatware... Oh well. Regards, Ozz.
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Thank you Ozz...very well put. I'm glad that someone has finally said it and it couldn't have been said any better. I live in the States and I definately don't want to hear about this crap on the list. It's all ya hear about in the stinkin news all the time. Enough already! Thanks for the support! I live in the States too (Jacksonville, Florida) but I only came here earlier this year - I'm originally from the UK. Therefore, I can see the problem from both sides. Anyway, thanks again for your support, and keep plugging The Penguin!!! Regards, Ozz.
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I remember programming in computer repair class, we used the old Z80 cpu with just an alphanumeric keyboard with a ribbon cable to the MB and the old blue alphanumeric vacuum fluorescent display using hex code, cpu instrucitons, accumulator register, BC register, and all those other little wierdo registers. then we moved on to using CPM. then dos--eww. On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Austin L. Denyer wrote: It also helps for programming. Those of us who can remember programming in raw hex using a 25-key keypad with a 7-segment LED display on a machine with only a few kilobytes of RAM know the importance of tight code. A lot of today's programmers wouldn't believe the applications we could write in a few kilobytes. Also, the tight code ran so much faster than today's bloatware... Oh well. Regards, Ozz.
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My parents taught me at a young age that there are two subjects that are not talked about -- Politics and Religion. :-) Everyone keeps saying to drop the subject so PLEASE CAN WE NOW DROP IT? TIA -- Patti -- Registered Linux User #184611 Original Message On 9/30/00, 12:19:19 PM, "Austin L. Denyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: OT [newbie] Off-topic posts.: be moderated. If not then anything that even vaugely relates should be fine. When people start telling others what they can or can't talk about then things just go to hell w/ flame wars etc. A new list is great but minor snip Maybe I'm missing the obvious here, but what the fsck is it about US Politics that "even vaguely relates" to Linux? Please, humor me, this bemused Linux user is eager to learn... snip As you've noticed, politics is a very unusual topic. Everybody seems to have something to say. It is much tollerated, except when you disagree. And it's sad that anybody has to suffer exposure to it if they don't want to, let alone on this Linux group.And it has nothing to do with Linux, just with the survival of the human race. I agree. To me, politics has no place in a Linux list. This is where we learn the tricks of the trade for a computer operating system. The users are generally not interested in 'my politician is better than your politician', any more than they are interested in 'my God is better than your God', or 'my color is better than your color', or "my sex is better than your sex', or any other such bigotry. The closest we have here are the 'techie wars' of (for example) vi/pico/emacs, Windoze/Linux, etc., and even they tend to suck, as the ferocity of the argument is generally inversely proportional to the amount of hard evidence to back either side... I was flamed for posting something about the history of computing and how situations at that time influenced the development of GNU and eventually Linux. It's amused me at how long this political discussion has gone on and the turns it has taken, from funny to screaming curses. -Gary- I for one was saddened by the flames you received for your 'history lessons'. Why? Because I believe that Linux and the history of computing are inextricably linked. It is a lot easier to understand Linux, and why Linux is the way it is, if you have a good basic understanding of the history of computing. It also helps for programming. Those of us who can remember programming in raw hex using a 25-key keypad with a 7-segment LED display on a machine with only a few kilobytes of RAM know the importance of tight code. A lot of today's programmers wouldn't believe the applications we could write in a few kilobytes. Also, the tight code ran so much faster than today's bloatware... Oh well. Regards, Ozz.
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CLANG CRASH! It has been dropped and broken On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Patti Wavinak wrote: Everyone keeps saying to drop the subject so PLEASE CAN WE NOW DROP IT?
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Damnnow I have to put another subject in my spam catcher. Alan
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it's a real nice country, but too damn cold! -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496 On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Vic wrote: I'm thinking about moving to Canada. On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Dan LaBine wrote: Hear, Hear, or Here, Here !! Thanks for some common sense ! I'm Canadian, and and I'm sick to death of this crap! - Original Message - From: "Mark Weaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 9:36 AM Subject: Re: OT [newbie] Off-topic posts. Maybe I'm missing the obvious here, but what the fsck is it about US Politics that "even vaguely relates" to Linux? Please, humor me, this bemused Linux user is eager to learn... I agree that "you post messages to a list for the benefit of that list seeing and responding". BUT What makes you think that the Mandrake Linux Newbie list members (many of whom are from other countries) are even remotely interested in US politics? If I want Linux information then I sign up to a Linux list. If I want that political crap I'll sign up to a US politics list. Regards, Ozz. (Who is about ready to quit this list until the twits get a clue) Thank you Ozz...very well put. I'm glad that someone has finally said it and it couldn't have been said any better. I live in the States and I definately don't want to hear about this crap on the list. It's all ya hear about in the stinkin news all the time. Enough already! Mark
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Well, if old is all it is, that does not bug me any. Hmm. Maybe I should get dual citizenship??? I sure would like to be in Canada's weather, much cooler in the summer than here in blazing hot Kansas, plus the countryside is awesome. On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Mark Weaver wrote: it's a real nice country, but too damn cold! -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message... | Registered Linux user #182496 On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Vic wrote: I'm thinking about moving to Canada.
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So run your email through a filter before downloading it? Combine that with serious bitching at your phone company for being overpriced. For a start, I would have to download at least the headers (which are often several k) in order to filter. Secondly, International roaming rates are dictaded by the TelCos that the call gets routed through. When I was in Italy for example, the price was mainly down to the overhead charged to my provider by TIM (the cellular carrier for that part of Italy). Thirdly, you are missing the point completely. Why should hundreds of list users be inconvenienced for the sake of a handful of inconsiderate individuals who can't take their off-topic crap to private e-mail? I signed up to this list for Linux information, and I'm sure that the majority of the other list members signed up for the same reason. If a user sends off-topic information to the list then he is effectively SPAMMING the list. To me, spammers remind me of something I occasionally pick up on my shoe in the gutter - very unpleasant, especially on a hot day... There are already a couple of list members who are in my killfile for this kind of behavior. My fingers are itching to add a few more. This whole thing reminds me of an occasion when a woman was raped in Central Park. The general attitude was not condemnation of the evil bastards that committed the crime, but rather that it was her own fault for walking through Central Park on her own. Attitudes like that disgust me. Bandwidth is not currently a problem for me personally as I have a permanent ADSL connection in my home (as long as I'm in Windoze - the ADSL modem is a USB version that does not work under Linux, so I'm stuck at 56k for the Penguin). I'm more concerned about users who may be in the position that I was a few years ago. Remember too that many countries do not have free local calls - they get charged by the minute for their on-line time. Personally, I don't care if you talk about politics, walking your dog, how to get a few extra horsepower out of your big-block Chevy, or your favorite lovemaking position. Just don't do it on this list. I have even offered to set up a seperate list for off-topic posts, as soon as my system is up full-time. That offer still stands, as soon as I have the hardware to do it - this machine is being switched between operating systems too often at the moment. ObLinux - if anyone knows how to get the above mentioned modem (Efficient Networks SpeedStream 4060 ADSL, USB interface) to work under Linux, please let me know... Regards, Ozz.
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No you don't. Just set your email host up with the filters you want. It's not at all hard unless you have a retarded server. *shrugs* Which is fine if your ISP allows it (I do not have my own permanent mail server yet). It's not just about OT messages. If a list is moderated then fine let it be moderated. If not then anything that even vaugely relates should be fine. When people start telling others what they can or can't talk about then things just go to hell w/ flame wars etc. A new list is great but that doesn't mean everyone should stop the current thread. You post messages to a list for the benefit of that list seeing and responding. Sending to a blank new list is pointless. Maybe I'm missing the obvious here, but what the fsck is it about US Politics that "even vaguely relates" to Linux? Please, humor me, this bemused Linux user is eager to learn... I agree that "you post messages to a list for the benefit of that list seeing and responding". BUT What makes you think that the Mandrake Linux Newbie list members (many of whom are from other countries) are even remotely interested in US politics? If I want Linux information then I sign up to a Linux list. If I want that political crap I'll sign up to a US politics list. Regards, Ozz. (Who is about ready to quit this list until the twits get a clue)
