Re: [newbie] OT Qcad
Lee Wiggers wrote: In my neverending quest to rid myself of win2k I am embracing Qcad ilo autocad. I can't figure out how to adjust the thickness of a line. All else is an improvement from the cumbersome autocad commands. Lee Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com On the attributes toolbar there is a width option as well as style and color. Right click on the top of the window below the title bar and you can turn the attributes toolbar on there if you don't have it now. Dax Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Moving Home partition
Heather/Femme wrote: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:35:20 -0500 Kelly McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP Also, Any known issues with resizing a riserFS / partition with Partition Magic 7 from a windows dual boot load? Dax ya you can't do it. period. PM sees the partition as BAD labels it as such. Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Was afraid of that, thanks Femme. Can this be done within mandrake? Dax Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Moving Home partition
More on the subject of home partions, In my current setup, I have only a / and /swap. I am thinking that I'd like to seperate /home out. It seems to me that it should be as simple as shrinking my / partition, creating a new /home, copying everything over to the new /home, emptying the original /home, and creating the new mount point? Am I on the right track here? Any problems I'm missing? Also, Any known issues with resizing a riserFS / partition with Partition Magic 7 from a windows dual boot load? Dax Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] imwheel button mapping
HaywireMac wrote: When I start imwheel with X, it messes my scroll-thru-my-desktops function in my WM, mapped to button 5 and 6. In my XF config, the wheel is mapped to those, How exactly did you do that? Is it a function of your window manager? I assume your not using KDE? And does that mean you do not have the normal window up and down window scrolling capability? Perhaps there's an option in XFconfig to do what I want? Just grasping at straws here. Dax Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] imwheel button mapping
Heather/Femme wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:08:38 -0500 Kelly McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Thanks for taking a stab at it, apparently nobody is using this mouse? Any other ideas are welcome! Dax I'm using that mouse... I sort of gave up on the other buttons though..they work great in windows..but in linux? Forget it. least that was what I found after about 3 months off on of screwing around. if you find a better answer pls tell me. Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Hi, Femme, rest assured if I find a way to get this to work I'll post the answer. Once apon a time I had this working with Mandrake 7.2 but IIRC it was with a logitech mouse with one thumb button, and it only really worked in netscape. Also at the time I believe that you actually needed to use imwheel just to get the scroll wheel working. What's really bugging me is that in my searches I have found several posts by people claiming that the setup I am using worked for them but for every one of those there are atleast ten who say it didn't work. For what it's worth there are a host of apps that do accept keyboard shortcuts mapped to these buttons see the following link for an idea of the possibilities. http://jcatki.no-ip.org/imwheel/imwheelrc Dax Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] imwheel button mapping
Heather/Femme wrote: On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 03:14:19 -0500 Kelly McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: giant elephant size neuter For what it's worth there are a host of apps that do accept keyboard shortcuts mapped to these buttons see the following link for an idea of the possibilities. http://jcatki.no-ip.org/imwheel/imwheelrc Dax thx Dax. FWIW, I use the buttons in windows for exactly the same purpose you want them working... and it frustrates the hell out of me that I can't go back forward in my browser with a button click! pisses me right off in fact...sigh Thx alot Femme-in-a-box Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Hi femme, I hear ya! Same here! Ditto! Etc. Etc. Etc. Seems like such a simple thing, huh? Have you tried Haywires solution? Dax Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] imwheel button mapping
HaywireMac wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 07:40:59 -0400 HaywireMac [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: For some weird reason, the forward and back in Mozilla is *reversed* (?). change it to this and all is well (ie. alt-button left=back, etc.) xmodmap -e pointer = 1 2 3 7 6 4 5 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Please tell me your kidding. OK, I'll assume your not. You seem to be one of the few for whom this mysteriously works. What you have is what I started with before my first post about this. Here's what I found: without the xmodmap -e pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5 command, my thumb buttons scroll up and down and wheel does nothing. OK, makes sense. With this line in xinitrc it never seems to be executed, but I have it in a file under /etc/X11/xinit.d where it works fine. So, with this command enabled, xev recognizes the thumb buttons as 6 and 7. With imwheel running xev sees these buttons as left and right. Without imwheel, mozilla and konq respond to the thumb buttons as if I were pressing the left and right arrow keys. The same applies when imwheel is running. The only difference I see, is that without imwheel, holding alt while pressing arrow keys does nothing, but with imwheel, this results in sliding the entire page left and right. However, at no point has anything I've tried resulted in a back button press. A couple of questions, are you using this mouse in ps2 port or USB? Also, I am running a vanilla 9.1 install with the exception of switching to ATI's video driver. Have you upgraded anything related to XFree, that might be affecting this? Only other thing I can think of is that maybe the window manager makes a difference, I guess I'll look into that next. Dax Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] imwheel button mapping
HaywireMac wrote: Alt-left mouse button and alt-right mouse button on the Intellimouse explorer takes you back and forth in either Galeon or Mozilla. lol, I just saw this post Haywire. I didn't realize you meant it worked using alt button to modify the mouse button. Your absolutely right. Because of the button reversal you mentioned earlier, It didn't seem to be doing anything when I clicked back because it was trying to go forward. Well, that's an improvement. Holding alt and scrolling the mouse actually does the same thing. Now I wonder if that is what was happeing in imwheel as well. With imwheel it should be possible to map both the alt and left into one button press. A little more tinkering and maybe things will actually work the way I planned. :) Dax Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] imwheel button mapping
Aron Smith wrote: Have you tried Haywires solution? Dax Bong? lol, would probably help with the frustration level anyway! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] imwheel button mapping
Kelly McCormick wrote: Kelly McCormick wrote: Kelly McCormick wrote: Does anybody know the correct way to get side thumb buttons on a microsoft intellimouse explorer working as back and forward in mozilla under 9.1? clip Does anyone know why this doesn't work? imwheel rpm from 9.1 discs is installed. imwheel process is getting started by logged in user. side buttons work for side to side scrolling in mozilla and konquerer so they are being recognized as the left arrow key and the right arrow key. What I want is for them to be working as LeftAlt+left arrow key combination, and LeftAlt+right arrow key combo respectively. clip One more note, I just noticed that the thumb buttons do seem to work as alt left arrow and alt right arrow in konquerer and kterm but still work only as left arrow and right arrow in mozilla. Dax Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] imwheel button mapping
HaywireMac wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 00:48:18 -0500 Kelly McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: From XF86Config-4: Identifier Mouse1 Driver mouse Option Protocol ExplorerPS/2 Option Device /dev/psaux Option ZAxisMapping 6 7 Option Buttons 7 In the imwheel manpage, it specifies that you must use the IMPS/2 protocol, could that be the prob? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Hi, Haywire, thanks for trying, but I'm afraid the short answer is no, that's not it. I tried it again just to make sure, but it only prevents the side buttons from working at all. I believe that protocol is for the Intellimouse version rather than the Intellimouse Explorer version. I am getting the results that I want and expected from konquerer, but mozilla seems to be interpreting the button mapping differently for some reason. If you have mozilla open and the window set narrow enough that you get a scroll bar on the bottom of the window, and press the left or right arrows on the keyboard, it scrolls the page left and right a few steps at a time. This is exactly what my mouse thumb buttons are doing. If you hold down the left alt key and press the left or right arrow keys in mozilla, it moves you back and forward a page in the history. This is what I want the mouse thumb buttons to do. Since the thumb buttons are already working as arrow keys in mozilla you would think that holding down the left alt key and pressing the thumb buttons would work the same as alt-left arrow, but instead it side scrolls by a whole page instead of a few steps. Mozilla seems to be the only program where they behave this way, in other programs the thumb buttons get the same action as holding left alt and using the arrow keys. Thanks for taking a stab at it, apparently nobody is using this mouse? Any other ideas are welcome! Dax Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] imwheel button mapping
Eric Huff wrote: Does anybody know the correct way to get side thumb buttons on a microsoft intellimouse explorer working as back and forward in mozilla under 9.1? Option Device /dev/psaux I have never tried this (just saved joe's post cuz it looked helpful). Anyway, here is a post from way back. I notice you have /dev/psaux and he had mouse: Subject: Re: [newbie] How do I use all buttons on MS Explorer mouse? I dropped deadman a quick question on this mouse, but would be interested to know if any of you have input or experiences to add... the instructions on his site should apply to any mouse with 5 buttons or even 7. you are using xmodmap, like this (in your .xinitrc): xmodmap -e pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5 plus an entry in your XF86Config: Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Protocol ExplorerPS/2 Option Device /dev/mouse Option Buttons 7 Option ZAxisMapping 6 7 EndSection now, you can let go of the Explorer part and give it a shot, to my mind it shouldn't matter. of course if it doesn't work, just put it back to normal (your system even keeps a backup of your old XF86Config for you to rename and use). Personally, it seemed to wreak havoc with my WM and mousewheeling thru desktops, so I commented it out for now. I'll give it a shot later. Thanks eric, but as far as I can tell what you told me will make x see that there are 7 buttons, 5 actual, and 2 for the wheel, and map the scrolling to the wheel (buttons 6 and 7) what I'm looking for is getting the buttons 4 and 5 (thumb buttons) to perform a specific function. The first part I believe I have working already. It seems like I just need to find the correct systax for the mozilla entry in the imwheelrc file, but since none of the entries that I have found on the web seem to work the way they should, I'm not entirely sure that I have imwheel set up correctly or that imwheel is even the way to do this anymore. Anyway, I'll keep looking, thanks for the response. Dax Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] imwheel button mapping
Kelly McCormick wrote: Kelly McCormick wrote: Does anybody know the correct way to get side thumb buttons on a microsoft intellimouse explorer working as back and forward in mozilla under 9.1? clip Does anyone know why this doesn't work? imwheel rpm from 9.1 discs is installed. imwheel process is getting started by logged in user. side buttons work for side to side scrolling in mozilla and konquerer so they are being recognized as the left arrow key and the right arrow key. What I want is for them to be working as LeftAlt+left arrow key combination, and LeftAlt+right arrow key combo respectively. From XF86Config-4: Identifier Mouse1 Driver mouse Option Protocol ExplorerPS/2 Option Device /dev/psaux Option ZAxisMapping 6 7 Option Buttons 7 (note that /dev/psaux and /dev/mouse are both links to /dev/misc/psaux) Contents of both /etc/X11/imwheelrc and ~/.imwheelrc : .* None, Left, Alt_L|Left None, Right, Alt_L|Right (note, have also tried several other combos including replacing Left and Right with Up and Down) Contents of /etc/X11/xinit.d/imwheel : #!/bin/sh #--- # Project : Mandrake # Module : imwheel # File: imwheel.xinit # Version : $Id$ # Author : Frederic Lepied # Created On : Tue Apr 11 14:13:43 2000 #--- [ -r /etc/sysconfig/mouse ] . /etc/sysconfig/mouse BINARY=$(which imwheel) [ $WHEEL = yes -a -n $BINARY ] $BINARY -p -b 0067 # imwheel ends here (note -b 0067 option seems to be the only way to keep imwheel from screwing up the wheel scrolling function) Contents of /etc/X11/xinit.d/mouse_buttons xmodmap -e 'pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5' From everything that I have been able to find on this subject, this should work the way I want it to, but still no luck. Please help if you can, I have run out of things to try. Dax Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ATI 8500DV AIW video drivers
Sorry, can't help you myself - I use Matrox. However, the bits about the ATi 8500 were written [EMAIL PROTECTED](nospam).ca and [EMAIL PROTECTED](nospam).com You may wish to contact them personally and ask your question. If you do, please let us know what happens. The more info we can collect the more it helps someone else. Anne My mistake, saw your name at the bottom of the twiki page and assumed you had written it. Dax Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ATI 8500DV AIW video drivers
Kelly McCormick wrote: Hello everyone, Is there anybody out there with some experience with this card under ML9.1? At a minimum, I would like to get the 3D acceleration and the TV tuner functions working. It is my understanding that the ATI drivers will provide GL acceleration but will do nothing for any of the other functions of this card and that the Gatos drivers can provide atleast nearly full funtionality to this card under linux. I have also found reports that the ATI drivers may work better for the 3D acceleration than the ati.2 gatos drivers provide? Any thoughts or experience on this subject? Also, is it possible to mix and match the drivers to use ATI's own drivers for 3D Accelation and the Gatos drivers for the TV tuner, tivo functions, remote, etc.? I have also noted that ATI's driver rpm fglrx-glc22-4.2.0-2.5.1.i586.rpm is built for glibc 2.2 and their check.sh script reports that I have glibc 2.3, as I understand it this shouldn't be a problem, but I'm wondering if there is a better rpm to use? or a better solution? During my attempts to decipher the gatos website I have gotten the impression that these drivers are intended to be used with XFree86 version 4.1.0 and work atleast somewhat with 4.2.0, what is this going to mean to me since I am running 4.3.0? The more information I find, the more confused I become on this entire video driver subject. If someone can point me in the right direction here, I'd really appreciate it. What I'm really looking for is any advice on how to get the best results with this card, and a heads up on any problems that I can expect to run into. If there are any good information sources on this that could help clear some of these things up, please let me know where to find them. below are the results of running the check.sh script from the ATI website, if there is any further information that I can provide that will help with this discussion, please let me know what you need and since it's likely that I don't know, how to find that info. = ATI Technologies = Checking which OS you're running... uname reports 'Linux' version '2.4.21-0.13mdk', architecture 'i686'. Object format is 'ELF'. libc version is '6.3'. XFree86 Version 4.3.0 is installed. No package available for glibc 2.3. Try fglrx-glibc22.tgz Binary package name is 'fglrx-glibc21.tgz' Thanks in advance for any and all help provided. I know I'm asking for a lot of info here but as I said, now that I have been looking into this for a while, I am no longer even sure where to start. RTFM one too many times I guess. Dax Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com I just discovered that there is a gatos rpm on the 9.1 cd's disk 2, don't know how I missed finding that before. slap myself upside the head Anyway, it is supposed to provide tv tuner functions among other things for the all in wonder cards, so I installed it. I have since had to boot back to xp hence now that I'm running mandrake again, everything has been restarted. I'm not sure what I was expecting, but I thought there might at least be a watch tv option somewhere on a menu someplace? KDE if your wondering. Anyway, no such luck. Checked to see if MCC would now find my tuner, it didn't before and still doesn't. checked man page for gatos and found that it should have installed; - xatitv : GUI TV in a window application. - atitv : Simple text-mode program. - gatos-conf : GUI GATOS configuration application. Funny, I thought that AVview would have been in there somewhere but apparently not. When I tried to run xatitv, it returned xatitv: relocation error: xatitv: undefined symbol: __7IWindowPcT1PUlii so I thought maybe I need to configure first, so I tried gatos-conf. gatos-conf: relocation error: gatos-conf: undefined symbol: __7IWindowPciiT1 A quick google for this undefined symbol error turned up a thread on the cooker list archives stating that the gatos rpm does not work in 9.1. Curious, is it normal to include rpm's on the distribution disks that don't work with the distribution it's included in??? Anybody know what's going on here? Dax Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ATI 8500DV AIW video drivers
Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 27 Sep 2003 3:50 am, Kelly McCormick wrote: Hello everyone, Is there anybody out there with some experience with this card under ML9.1? At a minimum, I would like to get the 3D acceleration and the TV tuner functions working. It is my understanding that the ATI drivers will provide GL acceleration but will do nothing for any of the other functions of this card and that the Gatos drivers can provide atleast nearly full funtionality to this card under linux. I have also found reports that the ATI drivers may work better for the 3D acceleration than the ati.2 gatos drivers provide? Any thoughts or experience on this subject? Also, is it possible to mix and match the drivers to use ATI's own drivers for 3D Accelation and the Gatos drivers for the TV tuner, tivo functions, remote, etc.? I have also noted that ATI's driver rpm fglrx-glc22-4.2.0-2.5.1.i586.rpm is built for glibc 2.2 and their check.sh script reports that I have glibc 2.3, as I understand it this shouldn't be a problem, but I'm wondering if there is a better rpm to use? or a better solution? During my attempts to decipher the gatos website I have gotten the impression that these drivers are intended to be used with XFree86 version 4.1.0 and work atleast somewhat with 4.2.0, what is this going to mean to me since I am running 4.3.0? The more information I find, the more confused I become on this entire video driver subject. If someone can point me in the right direction here, I'd really appreciate it. What I'm really looking for is any advice on how to get the best results with this card, and a heads up on any problems that I can expect to run into. If there are any good information sources on this that could help clear some of these things up, please let me know where to find them. below are the results of running the check.sh script from the ATI website, if there is any further information that I can provide that will help with this discussion, please let me know what you need and since it's likely that I don't know, how to find that info. === == ATI Technologies === == Checking which OS you're running... uname reports 'Linux' version '2.4.21-0.13mdk', architecture 'i686'. Object format is 'ELF'. libc version is '6.3'. XFree86 Version 4.3.0 is installed. No package available for glibc 2.3. Try fglrx-glibc22.tgz Binary package name is 'fglrx-glibc21.tgz' Thanks in advance for any and all help provided. I know I'm asking for a lot of info here but as I said, now that I have been looking into this for a while, I am no longer even sure where to start. RTFM one too many times I guess. Try here: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/ViDeo Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Thanx for the info Anne, I have been looking into the twiki site lately but hadn't run across that page yet. I see that a new rpm is available on the ATI site fglrx-glc22-4.3.0-3.2.5.i586.rpm this appears to be a newer version of the one listed in the twiki, I assume it may be better to substitute? Also I notice that nothing is mentioned of compiling kernel modules for agppart etc. did you not find this necessary? Dax Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] ATI 8500DV AIW video drivers
Hello everyone, Is there anybody out there with some experience with this card under ML9.1? At a minimum, I would like to get the 3D acceleration and the TV tuner functions working. It is my understanding that the ATI drivers will provide GL acceleration but will do nothing for any of the other functions of this card and that the Gatos drivers can provide atleast nearly full funtionality to this card under linux. I have also found reports that the ATI drivers may work better for the 3D acceleration than the ati.2 gatos drivers provide? Any thoughts or experience on this subject? Also, is it possible to mix and match the drivers to use ATI's own drivers for 3D Accelation and the Gatos drivers for the TV tuner, tivo functions, remote, etc.? I have also noted that ATI's driver rpm fglrx-glc22-4.2.0-2.5.1.i586.rpm is built for glibc 2.2 and their check.sh script reports that I have glibc 2.3, as I understand it this shouldn't be a problem, but I'm wondering if there is a better rpm to use? or a better solution? During my attempts to decipher the gatos website I have gotten the impression that these drivers are intended to be used with XFree86 version 4.1.0 and work atleast somewhat with 4.2.0, what is this going to mean to me since I am running 4.3.0? The more information I find, the more confused I become on this entire video driver subject. If someone can point me in the right direction here, I'd really appreciate it. What I'm really looking for is any advice on how to get the best results with this card, and a heads up on any problems that I can expect to run into. If there are any good information sources on this that could help clear some of these things up, please let me know where to find them. below are the results of running the check.sh script from the ATI website, if there is any further information that I can provide that will help with this discussion, please let me know what you need and since it's likely that I don't know, how to find that info. = ATI Technologies = Checking which OS you're running... uname reports 'Linux' version '2.4.21-0.13mdk', architecture 'i686'. Object format is 'ELF'. libc version is '6.3'. XFree86 Version 4.3.0 is installed. No package available for glibc 2.3. Try fglrx-glibc22.tgz Binary package name is 'fglrx-glibc21.tgz' Thanks in advance for any and all help provided. I know I'm asking for a lot of info here but as I said, now that I have been looking into this for a while, I am no longer even sure where to start. RTFM one too many times I guess. Dax Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Could Mandrake Kill My Motherboard?
I too have had no problems with the Maxtor drive that I am aware of. After thinking about this a bit longer though it occurred to me that I installed this drive right before I installed Mandrake the first time. This is also the drive that I installed Mandrake on. Windows is installed on the first drive. The first time the MB had problems it lasted a bit longer, and never died completely. I was dual booting and only using the Linux/Maxtor drive periodically. The second MB barely lasted 3 months then died. This time the Linux/Maxtor drive was being used exclusively. Another coincidence? I don't know, but atleast it gives me something to try. At any rate, thanks everyone for your help. I didn't intend to turn this list into hardware support, so I will let this thread die here. KM - Original Message - From: poogle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Could Mandrake Kill My Motherboard? Another Hmmm, I have 5 HDs (in caddies) 1 x Samsung has an old MD 7.2 install still on it and another Samsung with something else on it which my other half insists on using :-) My MD 8.1 install is on a Fujitsu and I use a Maxtor as a backup in case I break something. I also have a Seagate which I use for crashtesting so it gets a fair amount of abuse. Both the Maxtor Seagate drives came from computer fairs, were labelled untested buy at your own risk and cost next to nothing, surprisingly, despite the warning label both have and are giving reliable service on my home-made AMD K6-2 450 machine and I've had them for a couple of years and put them to many different uses in that time. On Friday 21 December 2001 18:37 pm, you wrote: On Thursday 20 December 2001 23:55, you wrote: I have seen a hard drive (if I remember correctly it was either a maxtor or seagate) where almost the same symptoms happened, judgeing form your list of symptoms (this was in a winders box, about the time windows 98 came out). I never did know exactly why the hard drive gave those symptoms, but changing the hard drive finally cured the box. (I had changed even the power supply in the box, as well as fans added and all kinds of stuff) in spite of good readings from it after about the third MB in 3 months. never had a nother problem with the box, put the HD in a totally different box and two months later, had an additional spare cpu since the MB was trashed again. snip Hmm, that's interesting, one of the HD's is a Maxtor, not sure what the other is. KM -- Poogle Registered Linux user 182657 (added to sig for the benefit of those irritated by it) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Could Mandrake Kill My Motherboard?
Problem is mostly Dell. They buy so many mobo's from Intel that they have the hammer to tell Intel just how to make 'em. Hence they're not really Intel mobo's, but 'oem spec only' mobo's. Many corners are cut, often features/hardware found in even low end retail boards, or Intel's 'regular' boards, are left off, and/or are of reduced quality (one good example is capacitors, both number and quality). A quality bios is not to be found. Probly a Phoenix oem spec only bios is used. Figured as much about the quality level. Yep, phoenix it is. Retail Intel mobo's OTOH, while low performers and lack configurability, are mostly bulletproof when it comes to reliability and stabiltility. This isn't really just a Dell problem (ie, cruddy motherboards, bios, et al). All large ready made vendors do the same thing, and it's not limited to just the mobo. All the components in ready made systems are 'oem spec only', aka 'proprietary'. As the audience for cheap (even if they aren't) ready made PC's increases, the quality of ready mades drops even further. This has all been goin on longer than the 'less than two years' since your Dell was assembled. That said, your mobo problems probly result from the inferior spec mobo's and power supplies that Dell uses. Dell is also not renowned for payin much attention to case and heatsink cooling either. To save a buck or so, most Dell models don't even have fans on heatsinks that need one, or even heatsinks on some components that normally should have one, much less also with a fan (eg, video card). Have you ever heard Intel advertise that they make mobo's for Dell? I believe they tryin hide the fact. I suspect it's also why Dell has been reluctant to move to AMD cpu's. The oem spec only boards they use will only marginally work with Intel cpu's. It's also why they only give lip service to providin an OS other than Windoze. It's called WinTel, low quality components and even non-hardware that Windoze can run, sort'a kind'a. So no, Mandrake didn't kill your mobo, Dell and Gates did. .. YMMV -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas, USA lol, ok, thanks for the opinion and helping convince me to build my own system next time. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Could Mandrake Kill My Motherboard?
On Thursday 20 December 2001 23:55, you wrote: I have seen a hard drive (if I remember correctly it was either a maxtor or seagate) where almost the same symptoms happened, judgeing form your list of symptoms (this was in a winders box, about the time windows 98 came out). I never did know exactly why the hard drive gave those symptoms, but changing the hard drive finally cured the box. (I had changed even the power supply in the box, as well as fans added and all kinds of stuff) in spite of good readings from it after about the third MB in 3 months. never had a nother problem with the box, put the HD in a totally different box and two months later, had an additional spare cpu since the MB was trashed again. snip Hmm, that's interesting, one of the HD's is a Maxtor, not sure what the other is. KM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Could Mandrake Kill My Motherboard?
- Original Message - From: Ed Tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Could Mandrake Kill My Motherboard? On Thursday 20 December 2001 17:41, you wrote: Can you say Ground Fault? I agree w/Jose, most likely problem. I have never seen (does not mean it don't happen) the MB toast from Linux, but it is worth noteing, in my opinion anyway, that you well can toast the monitor by driving it beyond it's specs. it will toast a few weeks after the change. ( I did two in four weeks time). An additional question, where you using the same (exact, not same model and make but the same physical box and serial number) hard drives with both MB? Thanks for the monitor warning, I should be ok there as I was aware that this was possible. Yes they are the same hard drives, no changes have been made to the hardware with the exception of a replacement MB with an updated bios. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Could Mandrake Kill My Motherboard?
Thanks for the quick response civil! Nonstop, eh? Err, ok, I guess I meant exclusively although the system does get a LOT of usage, I do sleep once in a while! ;) I bet you slowly toasted the on-board electrolytic capacitors so that they dried out. Try a bigger case fan to keep it a little cooler inside. I'm sure this couldn't hurt, but the marathon Quake3 sessions that I used to put this box through under windoze never seemed to cause a problem. Since replacing the first MB the heaviest workout this thing has seen is running mozilla, and windoze98 before I installed Mandrake. Of course memtest-x86.bin is on the mandrake CD under images/ and you can dd it or rawrite it to floppy and maybe it will boot and test your memory just to be safe. Bootup never makes it to accessing the floppy, not an option. What are the dead symptoms? Are fans running or nothing at all? If nothing at all, it can be a shorted cap or other short on the mobo or the power supply. If fans run, look for a dead video card or processor or a bad cap. At powerup, fans are on, power is getting to both hard drives, dvd, and cdrom. Can't tell if floppy drive has power. Monitor powers up but stays black most of the time, once in a while will make it to dell splash screen . Keyboard and mouse both show signs of life, but nothing else. Indicator lights on back say that the bios, memory, pci/isa bus, and video card all failed. SNIP- and after a month of rest the dells were supplied with whatever trash disks hardware testing happened to have and they recognized them. Even the third Dell from a different user which died in exactly the same way--no recognition of hard drive was OK after a month off and with a different hdd. How that happened is that I took the three back to purchasing and the agent there wanted more detail on what was wrong and sent them to hardware testing after a month. That's strange, noticed something similar the first time I had this problem, system would boot up after letting it sit powered down for a full day or two, but would soon go into a self rebooting loop and eventually not boot. I'm afraid I'm not patient enough to try waiting a month though. lol SO you may have that problem... If you have another computer what happens if you swap hard drives between the two? Hard drives are fine, checked that, they are simply not even being accessed at power up. Civileme QA Team I guess what I'm looking for is any possible reason why mandrake would put more stress on my MB than windoze? I can't afford to keep replacing the MB after the warranty on this thing runs out, and every time I try running linux on it I end up with MB problems. I'd hate to be stuck in windoze hell because of this. One thing that seems like a potential suspect is the power management feature. I never use this in win98 since it just resulted in a locked up system, but have been using it in mandrake. (for those occasions when I do sleep) When my monitor goes into standby mode, the indicator light on the front is supposed to turn from green to amber, instead it blinks back and forth between the two. Also I have seen one of the monitors adjustment screens pop up briefly on a few occasions. Doesn't stay long enough to tell which one. Is it possible that power management is actually constantly turning the monitor off and on and so burning up something on the MB? Or am I just grasping at straws here? Thanks in advance, Kelly Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
