RE: [newbie] MP3 ripper - OGG eats MP3
tell me about it. i have a portable cdplayer that will read mp3's burned to disc and play them. it is pretty nice, espec. for the price, but i would give anything for it to support OGG. _very_ nice. It's something about floating-point integer. OGG requires a player with it, which apparently costs money (hardware issue?), and mp3 doesn't. At least that's what I think I read once on the ogg-vorbis list once when I was researching it. I was interested in setting up a home audio network, but the only players I could find were mp3. Right, this used to be the case but now xiph.org has released their fixed point decoder: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/index.html. It'll be interesting to see if this changes the situation at all. It'd be great if it did. I know I'd go out and buy a replacement for my RIO mp3-cd player... cheers, ::mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] HardDrake not liking nForce?
Hi Etharp typo... should da been. video On Wednesday 28 August 2002 05:29 pm, you wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of etharp Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 5:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] HardDrake not liking nForce? On Wednesday 28 August 2002 02:18 pm, you wrote: It just gets worse and worse... I just fired up HardDrake to see what kind of disks it thought I was using and it killed X. Tried it in single user mode without X and hung until I hit ctrl-alt-del and rebooted. This is happening with or without the nForce drivers installed. This is with my Abit NV7-133R, an nForce 420-D board. Anyone else having any problems with an nForce board? I know civileme had mostly good luck with a little Asus A7N266-VM which is an nForce 220- D board. Any other positive experiences? cheers, ::mark have you tried (when you reach I just fired up HardDrake to see what kind of disks it thought I was using and it killed X) Ctrl+Alt+f7? or any of the other fx (x=8) keys? when harddrake kills my ideo, I Ctrl+Alt+f7, and wow... right back where I was... maybe X is not reay killed? Hmm. I'll try that. HardDrake is killing your ide0? When Ctrl+Alt+F7 makes X reappear is HardDrake running or...? Tried Ctrl+Alt+F7 and voila! there's X windows again and HardDrake sitting there like nothing ever happened. Thanks _very_ much. I was really beginning to think I'd gotten a lemon... cheers, ::mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] HardDrake not liking nForce?
It just gets worse and worse... I just fired up HardDrake to see what kind of disks it thought I was using and it killed X. Tried it in single user mode without X and hung until I hit ctrl-alt-del and rebooted. This is happening with or without the nForce drivers installed. This is with my Abit NV7-133R, an nForce 420-D board. Anyone else having any problems with an nForce board? I know civileme had mostly good luck with a little Asus A7N266-VM which is an nForce 220- D board. Any other positive experiences? cheers, ::mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] HardDrake not liking nForce?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of etharp Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 5:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] HardDrake not liking nForce? On Wednesday 28 August 2002 02:18 pm, you wrote: It just gets worse and worse... I just fired up HardDrake to see what kind of disks it thought I was using and it killed X. Tried it in single user mode without X and hung until I hit ctrl-alt-del and rebooted. This is happening with or without the nForce drivers installed. This is with my Abit NV7-133R, an nForce 420-D board. Anyone else having any problems with an nForce board? I know civileme had mostly good luck with a little Asus A7N266-VM which is an nForce 220- D board. Any other positive experiences? cheers, ::mark have you tried (when you reach I just fired up HardDrake to see what kind of disks it thought I was using and it killed X) Ctrl+Alt+f7? or any of the other fx (x=8) keys? when harddrake kills my ideo, I Ctrl+Alt+f7, and wow... right back where I was... maybe X is not reay killed? Hmm. I'll try that. HardDrake is killing your ide0? When Ctrl+Alt+F7 makes X reappear is HardDrake running or...? cheers, ::mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] lack of proper DMA w/ Maxtor D740X 80gb drives
Hey, The closer I look at the 8.2 install I did on this new Abit nForce board the more glitches I discover. In the course of tracking down why the kupdated daemon would periodically guzzle CPU time whenever I did a lot of disk I/O I discovered (via hdparm) that my two Maxtor 80 drives (which I'm hoping to use for a partial soft raid setup later on) were about as poorly configured as possible. Running hdparm with the -Tt benchmark flag showed a pathetic 3.2 mb/sec for buffered disk reads (buffered cache reads were 297.57). I tried tweaking them for the ATA100 channel they're installed on thusly: hdparm -c1 -d1 -X69 /dev/hda but got a rather unexpected message back: setting 32-bit I/O support flag to 1 setting using_dma to 1 (on) setting xfermode to 69 (UltraDMA mode 5) ide0: Speed warning UDMA 3/4/5 is not functional I/O support = 1 (32-bit) using_dma = 1 (on) I did another benchmark run and got 22.15mb/sec. Checking hdparm -i /dev/hda it claims the disk is actually running in UDMA 2 mode. A friend with a Western Digital drive (ATA100, 7200rpm, 40gb) gets around 40mb/sec in UDMA 5 mode for buffered disk reads. He's running RedHat 7.2 which I believe has a similiar kernel version. Seems like there's a lot of possible problems (bad install, bad hardware, wrong drivers, disks that are too new to be well supported, motherboard that's too new to be supported...) Anyone have a similiar experience or a good idea of where to start? cheers, ::mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] LILO disappeared
I've heard others mention this technique but I'm curious what actually happens since I've never had to do it before but will sometime next week. Does lilo find the Win2K partition and add it to the list or do you have to do that manually the next time you boot into linux? ::mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Richard Smith Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 5:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] LILO disappeared [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Yesterday, I installed Windows XP on my computer. Before, I had installed Mandrake 8.2 ( with LILO ), and Windows 2000. After the installation of XP, I've seen that Windows removed LILO from the MBR ( $% Microsoft ). Unfortunatly ( Murphy's law ? ), I cannot find my boot disk anymore. Is it a way to recover or reinstall lilo without the boot disk ? Can I do it booting from the Mandrake Install CD ? I didn't tried that, because I'm scared it will re-install Mandrake and loose my current working configuration. Sorry, I'm not an expert in system managment with Linux. Thanks in advance for all the infos you can provide me. Stephane http://www.exotk.org LILO Restore, Boot from CD1,at the first splash screen hit, F1 At the prompt,type,rescue From menu select replace LILO, enter John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] JDK
Title: RE: [newbie] JDK Hi Aaron, J2EE is not a complete runtimethe way the J2SE or even J2ME are. It is a set of additional libraries that assume an installedJDK (provided by J2SE). I don't see any Linux files that have a .z extension. The only .z files are for Solaris which may still not support gnuzip out-of-the-box. You might have a somewhat older version but gnuzip should be able to handle Solaris compress format (.z) just fine. You get errors if you run'tar xvfz the tar.z file? The z option invokes gunzip as part of the untarring operation. The download pages for 1.3.1_04 and 1.4.0_01offer a "RedHat" rpm.bin file. I've used the rpm with Mandrakein previous versions without trouble. You just make sure the file is executable (chmod +x the rpm.bin file) and run it. It puts up the license agreement stuff and leaves a .rpm file in the same directory when its done. Become root and install the rpm (rpm -ivh the .rpm file). This is probably the simplest way to install. They also have a self-installing shell script version where you just have to execute the file you download. Haven't tried that one but it should be fine. Hope this helps, ::mark -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Myers, Dennis R NWOSent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:23 AMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: [newbie] JDK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 11:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] JDK Hello All! I'm a Java developer that's recently migrated to Linux from Windows, but I'm not making too much progress in some areas. I'm trying to install J2EE and seem to be hittin' brick walls. I've downloaded various files from Sun, but cannot seem to open those that have a '.z' extension, and I'm not finding a way to "untar" them via a terminal. It seems that I have to install the standard developer's kit before I can install the enterprise edition. Am I mistaken? If so that would make things much, much easier. Also, any advise on setting up the shell scripts? Any input would be wonderful! Cheers! Aaron __ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Aaron, the files that have the .z extension, are they actually .gz? If so you untar them with: tar -xvzf file.name.gz and then you will have the make and make install commands to get them compiled. More help on the list if needed. HTH Dennis M.
RE: [newbie] sound problems (the political aspect)
Save your sanity, try to avoid win-hardware in the future, blame uncle billy for aureal. Look here to find a_real sound card http://www.alsa-project.org/~goemon/ -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas In defense of Aureal, the hardware itself is excellent. In all probability Aureal would be supplying Linux drivers right now if Creative Labs had not pulled a MicroShaft on them, taking them out in court over a lawsuit that had no basis in reality. As a young company, Aureal had not developed sufficient resources for an extended court battle. To add insult to injury, Creative Labs ended up absorbing Aureal's assets after they forced them out of business. Now everybody walks around extolling the pluses of Creative Labs cards, and most don't have a clue about what dirty tricks they pulled to get there. AKA M$. The Aureal hardware is high quality hardware, and it's no accident that Aureal owners are very passionate about their cards. Aureal as a company no longer exists in order to defend itself. Further, I hate to see someone hung for what they may or may not have done; AKA Minority Report. Aureal was the kind of company that would have responded to user requests, if they had not been so busy battling Creative Labs in court. That choice was forcibly taken from them. I myself have an Nvidia card, a Via chipset, an HPT370 Raid controller, and an Aureal soundcard combo. According to conventional wisdom I should be totally dead in the water; however in my experience what I have encountered have been merely configuration issues, and Linux Mandrake has been more than able to handle the hardware as long as I correctly told it what to do. Now that the hardware curves have been negotiated, I see them as being no different from what everybody else has to go through in getting accustomed to their hardware's personalities and ideosyncracies; that even includes Winblows users -- they have configuration problems too. Even WITH native drivers. Winmodems deserve a special spot in hell; however that category does not apply to the superb hardware setup I've got now, or any of it's peripherals. They've all got drivers and they all work more than satisfactorily. And yes I think companies should be encouraged to support Linux more in regard to their peripherals; but not at the expense of a witchhunt against perfectly good hardware that works, or the intentional disregard of the minority report. Best Regards, LX Well, your welcome to your opinions. The link I posted is Deno's and Civileme's opinions. Mine are that _any_ hardware that requires closed source proprietary drivers to function is WIN_hardware. It can't and never will be supported by Linux, the drivers _will_ taint your kernel, and possibly (probly) introduce unfixable, untraceable conflicts and security issues. IOW's, reduce a real OS to the same quality as those that come out of Redmond. That's the main reason that linux-kernel (and Linus) routinely ignore any bug reports involving nVidia drivers, or any win-hardare or closed source proprietary software (eg, StarOffice) for that matter. There's also the user risk that their hardware will be orphaned and abandoned, as is the case with Aureal. So it's simply a user choice, and not a Linux or Mandrake isssue to risk using win-hardware and/or introducing closed source binary programs in any form into their system. Doing so without knowledge or acceptance of the pitfalls is just plain foolishness. A user error, and a regression to a Winblows mindset. YMMV Hmm. I really think taint is a problematic word since it suggests that it is mostly an ethical issue whereas I think Linus' objection is really mostly pragmatic. Black box drivers are (as you point out) a pain in the butt for a kernel developer. But when it comes to stuff that really effect his work he unrepentently uses the best tool available for the job (BitKeeper, the non-open source control system he and the other kernel hackers use). If his work involved 3D images I would guess he'd be using NVidia's proprietary drivers since they (and the video cards they're written for) are the best available. (Linux Journal had an interesting piece about Industrial Light and Magic's experience with Linux, NVidia and the drivers they use.) It would be great if NVidia were to release their drivers as open source. If and when Linux becomes a major force on the desktop perhaps they will. Certainly they do good bit of work to make the drivers available on Linux so they clearly have some interest, especially as ISVs port to it. Then again, unlike most companies who make the claim, their drivers *are* a competitive advantage for them. I also think the 'orphaned and abandoned' problem is a problem whether the drivers are open source or proprietary. If there aren't any driver developers interested in working on
RE: [newbie] Upgrading memory [getting OT]
ASUS A7N266-VM84 512M DDR 165 Two hard disks160 CDRW/DVD109 Case (InWin 500D)54 Keyboard/mouse /speakers 12 Floppy drive 12 1G Duron 58 Fan/heatsink 30 Networking card12 Civileme, I have to say I was a little suprised to see an Nvidia mobo recommendation for Linux but I take it that it works well with Mandrake. Two questions about this setup: - does the sound work okay? (obviously not expecting the super cool AC3 encode/decode stuff but ...uses some Intel 810 driver, right?) - did the networking work? (or was the NIC you've included in the list necessary?) - does the install setup program for Mandrake deal with the builtin video/RAM allocation thang? ::mark Well, out of the box on a ProSuite workstation install, everything but networking... After downloading the NForce RPM for mandrake 8.2 from NVidia, the networking worked as well--it just could not be set up during install. That was NOT a recommendation, just an example. I had reasons for the NForce install related to testing, and in fact I cannot recommend it at all for those who will use RAID with any of the journaling filesystems. Thanks for info/clarification. I'm curious, though. If it works well what keeps you from recommending it? It seems at this point that there really isn't a single chipset/motherboard that is without _some_ issue. Mandrakelinux.com lists zero motherboards as Tested by MandrakeSoft and only 9 motherboards as MandrakeLabs Certified and two of these use the KT266 chipset that you were warning users about because of clock problems. One of them even has a Promise WinRAID controller. ::mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Upgrading memory [getting OT]
Sorry that I'm so behind on this list but I'm _still_ shopping for a new box so... Well, if you wait a week on Wal-Mart, you can probably buy the computer with MandrakeLinux or Lindows preinstalled. I cannot in good conscience recommend Lindows to _anyone_. It is likely to become a huge target for exploits, but the Mandrake preinstalation should be a fair deal. Hmmm Lessee ASUS A7N266-VM84 512M DDR 165 Two hard disks160 CDRW/DVD109 Case (InWin 500D)54 Keyboard/mouse /speakers 12 Floppy drive 12 1G Duron 58 Fan/heatsink 30 Networking card12 Civileme, I have to say I was a little suprised to see an Nvidia mobo recommendation for Linux but I take it that it works well with Mandrake. Two questions about this setup: - does the sound work okay? (obviously not expecting the super cool AC3 encode/decode stuff but ...uses some Intel 810 driver, right?) - did the networking work? (or was the NIC you've included in the list necessary?) - does the install setup program for Mandrake deal with the builtin video/RAM allocation thang? ::mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] abit i845 boards
Hey all, I'm starting to get the itch again...time to build a new beast. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience or knowledge of how well (or poorly) Mandrake (or any distro) has fared installed onto the new Intel i845 series of motherboards? I expect the usual nightmares over RAID controllers but otherwise I'm hoping it will be okay. Am I just dreaming? ::mark p.s. in case you're wondering why Intel rather than AMD it's because I've been reading report after report of folks overclocking the Northwood 1.6a to well over 2GHz. I'm also somewhat sick of hearing about VIA pci bugs... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Scanners Printers
Hi Marcia, You may want to check out the SANE site, http://www.mostang.com/sane/ to compare specific models and their status if you haven't already. ::mark Dear All, I am planning to buy a scanner and a printer within the next few days and I want to make sure that I get a low-priced, easy to setup with LM8.1, and non-USB, scanner and printer. I am planning on an Epson printer or HP. Does anyone know what non-USB HP color printer works well with LM 8.1 and makes beautiful photographs? Does anyone know what scanners that are not USB work well with LM8.1? I see alot of Mustek in the stores where I am at. Which models if any are good with Linux? Any suggestions and help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Marcia Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] NVidia
I think it's 3.? If does require 4.? The documentation does not say you need 4. However, the drivers are closed source, so there's no way to guarantee what will actually work. Actually the download page on Nvidia's website, http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=linux, says: STEP 4: Check dependencies The dependencies are listed in the README. It is important to note that the NVIDIA driver set requires XFree version 4.0.1 or greater. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] msec and Bastille
Thanks for the reply, Mark. this is directly from the man page for msec. it would appear that it's nothing more then just a small utility that you can directly change/modify the security level setting of your Mandrake OS letting the kernel know just how secure or not secure the system is to be... == from the manpage === DESCRIPTION msec is the main script of msec package. It enables the system administrator to change the security level for that system. msec is provided with six preconfigured security levels. These levels range from poor security and ease of use, to paranoid config, suitable for very sensitive server applications, managed by experts. You must be root to run msec . Launch msec x to set you security level to x (x=[0-5]). It'll modify your system according to security level x features. For a fine description of each security level, consult the docu mentation under /usr/doc/msec-*/. = end of manpage entry ...whereas Bastille is a high-level system hardening/firewall configuration tool. I'm not sure that the distinction you've drawn actually makes for a difference. They seem to have a lot of overlap. The only kernel specific activity I could see msec doing was for redirecting kernel logging to a different tty but I think Bastille will do that as well. However, after you mentioned the man pages I thought to ask rpm what dependencies msec had on other packages and when it didn't list bastille I figured it must be a separate, parallel system. So the real question is simply: Can I use both or have people found conflicts? ::mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] msec and Bastille
So I've trying to bone up on all things security-related and was trying to figure out what relationship, if any, there was between Bastille and msec. Is msec a UI layer over Bastille or is it a separate security tool? Are the two complementary or exclusionary. Should I run both or pick just one? cheers, ::mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] RAID SUPPORT
I've also been looking at a few of the current crop of mobos that feature RAID support. I'm *not* interested in them because they purport to support RAID--I've heard civilme's warnings several times--but rather in the interest of getting an extra IDE channel or two. Is this a reasonable expectation? ::mark So few people know that the promise RAID controller is nothing more than a BIOS extension chip with some proprietary, secret, copyrighted software. Look at the Duke of URL site. He was taken in sufficiently by the totally fake hardware to show how to write a driver from the proprietary RH driver. Or check www.linux-ide.org for a link to a project to support these so called hardware RAIDs. Or look at kernels after 2.4.8-31mdk and you will find support for reading Windows RAID but happily no support for using the vastly inferior software RAIDs in linux. As a matter of fact there is a RAID in linux and it has been around for a while, in software. Feature Promise, HPT, CMD Linux Software RAID RAID styles 0, 1, 0+1 0, 1, 4, 5, 0+1 Extents 1 No limit Volumes No Logical Volumes of several drives Cost in space Yes, drive destrokedDependent on RAIDx Compat with Windows Yes No, but can read after kernel 2.4.9 Basically, some controller manufacturers and board manufacturers are making money selling these RAIDs representing them as something they are arguably _not_. If you want a read hardware IDE RAID supported in ANY OS that runs on a PC, its name is ARCO, and there is a link to it at http://www.linux-ide.org/chipsets.html I am really displeased that so many folks are being taken in by this hype. If my opinion is not enough, then see what Mr. Linux-Ide, Andre Hedrick, the fellow who slaves to keep up with industry drivers, had to say about it. http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=450lang=en Sorry to go on a rant, but this one really annoys me. The manufacturers are so jealous of their bogus IP that they won't provide enough info for us to be compatible. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] galeon
Thanks for the tip about the RedHat version of mozilla-0.9.6. Alas, I don't really have the time at work to install all the -devlop rpms and compile galeon from it's src.rpm. I tried the rh6 version of the ready-made rpm (installed along with mozilla) but it immediately hiccups: /usr/bin/galeon-bin: error in loading shared libraries: /usr/bin/galeon-bin: undefined symbol: _t24__default_alloc_template_2b1i0.free_list I guess they were serious about the g++ binary incompatibilities... Ah well, it'll have to wait till I have more time I guess. Thanks also to the other responses. On Monday 26 November 2001 04:27 pm, Mark Stewart wrote: I've been wanting to give galeon a try for a while but on my 8.1 box at home the version that came with the distro does little but crash. (People running 8.1 at work haven't had any problem with it; must be something different in the networking setup that galeon doesn't like). At work, I'm running 7.2 and can't upgrade for a little while yet. Does any know where I can get a somewhat recent rpm for this ancient version of Mandrake? Galeon depends on mozilla. You need to upgrade both at the same time. I recently did. I used Red Hat's mozilla-0.9.6-0 so I did'nt haft'a deal with libpng3 stuff. Then the rpm from Galeon, Name: galeon Relocations: (not relocateable) Version : 1.0 Vendor: (none) Release : 1 Build Date: Fri 23 Nov 2001 04:51:52 PM EST Install date: (not installed) Build Host: localhost.localdomain Group : Applications/Internet Source RPM: galeon-1.0-1.src.rpm Size: 5117879 License: GPL Packager: Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL : http://galeon.sourceforge.net Moz 9.6 isn't an' improvement for me. Galeon is a 'not quite ready for prime time' browser IMO. Konq, even Mozilla is way better. __ Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay, USA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] galeon
I've been wanting to give galeon a try for a while but on my 8.1 box at home the version that came with the distro does little but crash. (People running 8.1 at work haven't had any problem with it; must be something different in the networking setup that galeon doesn't like). At work, I'm running 7.2 and can't upgrade for a little while yet. Does any know where I can get a somewhat recent rpm for this ancient version of Mandrake? thanks, ::mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] This is a linux mailing list
Gary, This list is for the people by the people and if we as a whole want to allow off topic conversations, then we should allow it. If not, we shouldn't. Actually this is a list that is hosted, operated and paid for by Mandrake. They set it up and contribute to it for the purpose of helping people use Linux. It is not a democratic forum. That the management at Mandrake hasn't taken people off the list (I could be wrong about that but haven't seen much evidence to suggest it) suggests they are okay with the list being used to discuss other matters. I respect that decision but I would respect them just as much if they were to remove people who consistently ignored the list's charter. Either way, we need to remain respectful of each other and not let our emotions get the best of us. I've seen several postings come through that were nothing more than attacks on other members of the list. That is uncalled for. Totally agree with that. We all have (or at least we all should have) a delete key as well as most of us have filters that can block messages (to some extent) that we don't wish to receive. I don't mind receiving emails about other topics. I joined the list to offer assistance on any subjects that I am familiar with as I have often struggled with Linux over the last 18 months since my first installation. I have worked through a lot of problems and have had along the way and I'd like to help others. But that help doesn't have to end with Linux. We are all human. We all feel pain, sorrow, loss, etc. Most of us feel very bad about what happened recently and the impact that the events will have on the families directly affected as well as our nation and the world. We need to be able to express ourselves when the need arises without worrying about which list we are posting too or whether the topic is relevant. If I receive a post that I don't care about, I can hit the delete key and it's gone, end of story (I don't as I always keep everything just in case I want to refer back). I suggest that before anyone gets offended to the poing of leaving the list, we have a show of hands, or in this case a show of posts as to who wants to allow other postings, and who does not. I'll start by saying that I am in favor of allowing off topic postings as long as they do not flood the list. A few here and there don't hurt anything. We are here for Mandrake Linux but there are other things to life and sometimes we need to discuss those other things. I have pretty much the same feelings except that at this point I think the WTC-threads have gone way over the line in terms of volume. I understand and agree with your point about wanting to discuss things with people you know and trust. It seems to me that it would be more productive and less noisy to use another list (like the one civileme setup on Yahoo's eGroups) for that purpose. You wouldn't have so many people complaining and you could actually get to the heart of the matter instead of defending your right to post here. Just a thought. I'll be using my delete button in the meantime. ::mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake 8.1
Just planning migration timetables for some of my machines and wondering what (if any) schedule is planned for 8.1? thanks, ::mark
RE: [newbie] Motherboard inquiry
The chipset to avoid is VIA with the 686B Southbridge. This means most modern KT133As and Apollo Pros. That is a large portion of the Motherboard Market Really? I bought a Tyan Trinity 400 S1854 specifically to run Mandrake. The spec sheets lists the chipset as VIA Apollo Pro 133A (VT82C694X VT82C596A). I'm guesssing the latter two identifiers are the north and southbridge. If so am I safe? It's been running Mandrake 7.2 quite reliably so far... In this vein, it would be really great if Mandrake were to start listing motherboards along with the rest of the hardware compatible lists. The comments people have made to the effect of VIA is well known for having problems are somewhat exasperating to folks like myself who researched their purchases heavily yet still apparently made the wrong choices because they didn't also read the kernel dev mailing list. ::mark
RE: [newbie] grub and Windows
Well, here's what I did. I unplugged my old disk from the primary master, plugged the new disk into primary master, had my friend install Windows98 (he moved fast and I'm not exactly sure how he structured things but I think its all one big FAT32 partition), booted successfully, and obsessively played Black White for a day ;-). Once I recovered, I unplugged the new Windows-only disk, set its jumpers for the slave position and attached it to the primary slave IDE connector and reconnected my old disk to the primary master connector, then set about configuring my menu.lst file. Here's how I set it up based on info from the mini-HOWTO and an article from Linux Gazette: title Windows98 map (hd0) (hd1) map (hd1) (hd0) rootnoverify (hd0,0) makeactive chainloader +1 boot I rebooted and when grub presented the list select Windows98. I immediately got the following message: Error: invalid or unsupported executable format. Press any key to continue. So I tried modifying various bits: -removed the second map command, thinking perhaps it was swapping the virtual map back to the way it started. No change. -changed rootnoverify to just root. No change. -removed the boot line. No change. -tried changing the partition specified as root--thinking perhaps my friend had actually installed on a second or third partition. rootnoverify (hd0,1) - Invalid device requested and rootnoverify (hd0,2) - No such partition One bit of additional, and possibly irrelevant, info: a few months earlier under Mdk7.1 I had been trying to get grub to recognize all my system's RAM and, for some reason, ran the lilo command. After that I no longer got the grub menu at startup (though I still booted up just fine) and I instead would see a bunch of black and white text graphics that described my hardware that I assumed was coming from lilo. Then I installed (not upgraded) mdk7.2. Grub came back again but I still got the black and white coming up first. So I'm wondering if I've still got lilo installed on the master boot record and it's chaining itself to grub somehow and that is what is preventing from booting from the Win98 partition. I use 2 copies of windows, one for general use and one for audio work. to do this i had to do as u suggest and format both drives when there were primary master, ( actually i THINK i even installed windows on the one i moved to 2nd master by booting the machine from ide 2, it was none the wiser to my trickery as the disk had been setup as primary master hehe) If u are reinstalling linux grub should see your windows in its new posistion ( it seen both mine with no help from me) if not then i am certain u can point it at it...just not sure how as i havent had to.
RE: [newbie] grub and Windows
If you're talking about Windows 95/98/Me, I doubt it. But I'm no expert. NT/2000 should be able to do it, though. Hmm. Yes, I am talking about installing Windows98. At least two other people have replied that they had success but I don't think they specified which versions of Windows they were using. SteveC, et al? Were you folks using Win9x/me or NT/2000? Again, thanks, ::mark --- Mark Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've read fragments of info in various places that suggest that Grub will allow me to boot Windows from a disk that is not in the master position of my primary IDE channel. Is this true? I just added a second 15gb disk to my currently Linux only box. Can I temporarily put this disk into the master position on the primary channel to install Windows then move the disk to the slave position (still on the primary IDE channel), point grub at its new position, and successfully boot into Windows? Would it work if the disk was on the secondary IDE channel? Thanks, ::mark __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
[newbie] grub and Windows
Hi, I've read fragments of info in various places that suggest that Grub will allow me to boot Windows from a disk that is not in the master position of my primary IDE channel. Is this true? I just added a second 15gb disk to my currently Linux only box. Can I temporarily put this disk into the master position on the primary channel to install Windows then move the disk to the slave position (still on the primary IDE channel), point grub at its new position, and successfully boot into Windows? Would it work if the disk was on the secondary IDE channel? Thanks, ::mark
Re: [newbie] kde question
Mike, kde2 was only just released this week; kde1 is what ships with mandrake 7.1. The kde website (www.kde.org) has an release announcement and links to ftp directories with all the rpms. I downloaded the ones for Mandrake 7.2 (the only Mandrake ones I've found so far) but they don't appear to be appropriate for 7.1 which, along with kde1, is what I have on my system. When I tried to install the first package I got an error message: error: failed dependencies: libQwSpriteField.so.1 is needed by kmp3-1.0-5mdk libuulib.so.5 is needed by kdenetwork-1.1.2-17mdk Looking at the rpm itself I find the description mentions the QwSpriteField and uulib stuff but don't see the libraries actually listed: Name: kdesupport Relocations: /usr Version : 2.0 Vendor: MandrakeSoft Release : 1mdk Build Date: Tue 17 Oct 2000 06:51:03 AM EDT Install date: (not installed) Build Host: ke.mandrakesoft.com Group : Graphical desktop/KDE Source RPM: kdesupport-2.0-1mdk.src.rpm Size: 313088 License: GPL Packager: Christopher Molnar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Summary : K Desktop Environment - Support Libraries Description : Support Libraries for the K Desktop Environment, but not part of it. Libraries included are: QwSpriteField, js (javascript), uulib, mimelib, and rdb. /usr/bin/kdedesktop2mdkmenu.pl /usr/lib/libmimelib.la /usr/lib/libmimelib.so /usr/lib/libmimelib.so.1 /usr/lib/libmimelib.so.1.0.1 Has anyone else had any luck installing the 7.2 rpms for KDE2 on 7.1? Or has anyone found a site with versions for 7.1? ::mark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 11:39 AM Subject: [newbie] kde question what version of kde comes with mandrake 7.1 kde or kde2 if it is kde what is the difference between kde and kde2? where can I get a rpm of kde2 Regards Mike Freeman Embrace the Penguin. Give Bill the cold shoulder! Linux Registered User #190770 (10/02/2000) Get your own free email account from http://www.popmail.com
