RE: Citrix license change

[Webster]

Make sure to take part in their XenDesktop 4 licensing survey:

http://community.citrix.com/display/ocb/2009/10/08/XenDesktop+4+-+You+love+i
t+but...

Webster

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
ubject: FYI: Citrix license change

 

Apologies 

for the wrap:

 

http://www.brianmadden.com/blogs/brianmadden/archive/2009/10/09/citrix-s-cha
nge-to-per-named-user-xendesktop-licensing-are-they-really-screwing-everyone
-or-are-people-over-reacting.aspx

 

So basically Citrix is changing the license format from licenses for
individual products to a single license.   Our reseller informed me of this
today.  There is a "trade-up" program where you can trade in a single
standard license (unnamed) to two named licences.  For my agency, this
really sucks, and this is no great deal for my agency.  I have at least a
1:3 user to license ratio for XenApp, since many users are part-time, or
some work-night, others day, and the load and license usage balances out.
Now with "named user" licenses we need to purchase a license for every
single user.  

 

I know part of this is to push XenDesktop.  I've looked at it and really
can't find a place for it here.

 

As if XenApp isn't already expensive enough, now this. 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Sanity check - AD groups

[David Lum]

I am going through file/folder permissions and our security groups in AD - I 
imagine some of you guys have hundreds of security groups? For a given share I 
have a security group associated (with RWXD perms) with it, and if some folks 
need read-only I create another group. I also have groups for each department 
and they become members of whatever security group is associated with access to 
whatever shares they need. I do the same for non-shared folders that also need 
specific permissions.
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Sanity check - AD groups

[Sherry Abercrombie]

Sounds pretty much like what we have.  We did recently go through a
organizational restructure to get our AD groups more organized by dept. and
functional OU's, this has helped our sanity greatly.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:48 AM, David Lum  wrote:

>  I am going through file/folder permissions and our security groups in AD
> – I imagine some of you guys have hundreds of security groups? For a given
> share I have a security group associated (with RWXD perms) with it, and if
> some folks need read-only I create another group. I also have groups for
> each department and they become members of whatever security group is
> associated with access to whatever shares they need. I do the same for
> non-shared folders that also need specific permissions.
>
> *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> (Desk) 971.222.1025 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Arthur C. Clarke
Sent from Haltom City, TX, United States

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: NAS/SAN

[John Aldrich]

Thanks for the info. I think I'll stay away from HP at this point,
especially after reading this! I'm leaning towards either a NetApp offering
or an LSI offering, depending on which is less expensive. Unfortunately LSI
doesn't do de-dupe. I've got two different acquaintances who work for two
different local vendors, one of which is the LSI vendor and the other is the
NetApp vendor. J Gonna be hard to figure out which one to diss. *sigh* Oh,
well.

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:li...@levelfive.us] 
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NAS/SAN

 

I was at the vmware forum the other day and netapp did a decent demo on
their new offerings with deduping backups, sql and exchange for storage
recovery. Also their app has a plugin for vcenter so you could manage the
SAN from the vi console which I thought was a nice little bonus.
 
Up to this point we have been building SANS via basic servers using either
Datacore or Starwind software controllers. For other areas we also use NFS
for less required storage like file sharing etc. 
 
My client just purchased 2 PS 6000's and I have another client who has an
HP-SAN and running 20 VM's on it ran it to a crawl so they are moving into
LeftHand after demoing it out. 
 
The hp san was managed and I never laid eyes on it other than running vmware
benchmarks on it and it didn't fare too well, it was their entry level
product. 
 
Starwind reports 3250 IOPS which is okay, but its memory usage masks a lot
of that if you get a server with a lot of ram then the disk i/o is pretty
good. Datacore does similar at a higher level (and price) but still less
than a hardware based SAN of similar size.
 
Im just learning about benchmarking SAN's myself (any tips appreciated). I
run DRBD/IET in my datacenter because I can babysit it. I also have a
Starwind server that does snapshot backups of all 4 of my esx servers and it
does it pretty well.
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

Scale Computing SAN/NAS

[John Aldrich]

Anyone know anything about the Scale Computing SAN/NAS devices? One of our
wannabe vendors (PC Mall) proposed an SN4000 (4 Tb) storage device. Never
having heard of them before, I thought I'd check in here and see whether any
of you have? Anyone know anything about the manufacturer at all?

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

Re: NAS/SAN

[Sherry Abercrombie]

>From personal experience, HP-EVA is rock solid with VMWare.  We've got 10
VMWare host servers connected to the EVA, and over those 10 hosts, we've got
probably 100-120 virtual guests.  Running everything from SQL databases,
Oracle databases, Citrix servers etc etc.  Environments include Dev, test
and production servers.  Never had any performance issues.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:02 AM, John Aldrich
wrote:

>  Thanks for the info. I think I’ll stay away from HP at this point,
> especially after reading this! I’m leaning towards either a NetApp offering
> or an LSI offering, depending on which is less expensive. Unfortunately LSI
> doesn’t do de-dupe. I’ve got two different acquaintances who work for two
> different local vendors, one of which is the LSI vendor and the other is the
> NetApp vendor. J Gonna be hard to figure out which one to diss. **sigh**
> Oh, well…
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools]
>
>
>
> *From:* Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:li...@levelfive.us]
> *Sent:* Monday, October 12, 2009 10:31 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: NAS/SAN
>
>
>
> I was at the vmware forum the other day and netapp did a decent demo on their 
> new offerings with deduping backups, sql and exchange for storage recovery. 
> Also their app has a plugin for vcenter so you could manage the SAN from the 
> vi console which I thought was a nice little bonus.
>
>
>
> Up to this point we have been building SANS via basic servers using either 
> Datacore or Starwind software controllers. For other areas we also use NFS 
> for less required storage like file sharing etc.
>
>
>
> My client just purchased 2 PS 6000’s and I have another client who has an 
> HP-SAN and running 20 VM’s on it ran it to a crawl so they are moving into 
> LeftHand after demoing it out.
>
>
>
> The hp san was managed and I never laid eyes on it other than running vmware 
> benchmarks on it and it didn’t fare too well, it was their entry level 
> product.
>
>
>
> Starwind reports 3250 IOPS which is okay, but its memory usage masks a lot of 
> that if you get a server with a lot of ram then the disk i/o is pretty good. 
> Datacore does similar at a higher level (and price) but still less than a 
> hardware based SAN of similar size.
>
>
>
> Im just learning about benchmarking SAN’s myself (any tips appreciated). I 
> run DRBD/IET in my datacenter because I can babysit it. I also have a 
> Starwind server that does snapshot backups of all 4 of my esx servers and it 
> does it pretty well.
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-- 
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Arthur C. Clarke
Sent from Haltom City, TX, United States

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

RE: NAS/SAN

[Richard Stovall]

An EVA with 20 VMs was saturated? How many ESX hosts?  Sounds like
something was/is misconfigured.

 

From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:li...@levelfive.us] 
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NAS/SAN

 

I was at the vmware forum the other day and netapp did a decent demo on
their new offerings with deduping backups, sql and exchange for storage
recovery. Also their app has a plugin for vcenter so you could manage
the SAN from the vi console which I thought was a nice little bonus.
 
Up to this point we have been building SANS via basic servers using
either Datacore or Starwind software controllers. For other areas we
also use NFS for less required storage like file sharing etc. 
 
My client just purchased 2 PS 6000's and I have another client who has
an HP-SAN and running 20 VM's on it ran it to a crawl so they are moving
into LeftHand after demoing it out. 
 
The hp san was managed and I never laid eyes on it other than running
vmware benchmarks on it and it didn't fare too well, it was their entry
level product. 
 
Starwind reports 3250 IOPS which is okay, but its memory usage masks a
lot of that if you get a server with a lot of ram then the disk i/o is
pretty good. Datacore does similar at a higher level (and price) but
still less than a hardware based SAN of similar size.
 
Im just learning about benchmarking SAN's myself (any tips appreciated).
I run DRBD/IET in my datacenter because I can babysit it. I also have a
Starwind server that does snapshot backups of all 4 of my esx servers
and it does it pretty well.
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: NAS/SAN

[John Aldrich]

Well, the one vendor who's proposing an HP solution is not proposing an
HP-EVA. He's proposing an "HP StorageWorks Modular Smart Array 2312i G2"
Unless that is the same thing. Anyone know anything about the StorageWorks
2312i G2?

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: NAS/SAN

 

>From personal experience, HP-EVA is rock solid with VMWare.  We've got 10
VMWare host servers connected to the EVA, and over those 10 hosts, we've got
probably 100-120 virtual guests.  Running everything from SQL databases,
Oracle databases, Citrix servers etc etc.  Environments include Dev, test
and production servers.  Never had any performance issues.  

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:02 AM, John Aldrich 
wrote:

Thanks for the info. I think I'll stay away from HP at this point,
especially after reading this! I'm leaning towards either a NetApp offering
or an LSI offering, depending on which is less expensive. Unfortunately LSI
doesn't do de-dupe. I've got two different acquaintances who work for two
different local vendors, one of which is the LSI vendor and the other is the
NetApp vendor. J Gonna be hard to figure out which one to diss. *sigh* Oh,
well.

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:li...@levelfive.us] 
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:31 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NAS/SAN

 

I was at the vmware forum the other day and netapp did a decent demo on
their new offerings with deduping backups, sql and exchange for storage
recovery. Also their app has a plugin for vcenter so you could manage the
SAN from the vi console which I thought was a nice little bonus.
 
Up to this point we have been building SANS via basic servers using either
Datacore or Starwind software controllers. For other areas we also use NFS
for less required storage like file sharing etc. 
 
My client just purchased 2 PS 6000's and I have another client who has an
HP-SAN and running 20 VM's on it ran it to a crawl so they are moving into
LeftHand after demoing it out. 
 
The hp san was managed and I never laid eyes on it other than running vmware
benchmarks on it and it didn't fare too well, it was their entry level
product. 
 
Starwind reports 3250 IOPS which is okay, but its memory usage masks a lot
of that if you get a server with a lot of ram then the disk i/o is pretty
good. Datacore does similar at a higher level (and price) but still less
than a hardware based SAN of similar size.
 
Im just learning about benchmarking SAN's myself (any tips appreciated). I
run DRBD/IET in my datacenter because I can babysit it. I also have a
Starwind server that does snapshot backups of all 4 of my esx servers and it
does it pretty well.
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




-- 
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 
Arthur C. Clarke
Sent from Haltom City, TX, United States 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

test...sorry..

[Chyka, Robert]

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: test...sorry..

[John Aldrich]

C+

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:bch...@medaille.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: test...sorry..

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

Re: test...sorry..

[Erik Goldoff]

fail

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Chyka, Robert  wrote:

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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Sanity check - AD groups

[James Rankin]

Pretty much the same here, although I tend to try not to nest groups at all
if possible. With regard to AD, I have always been of the "one group, one
function" methodology. Saves a lot of hell when some idiot accidentally
removes a group if you know exactly what the scope of that group's function
was. There is a little overhead when it comes to setting things up - but I
can live with that. Of course, if you get into massive environments there is
(or was, maybe 2008 has overcome it) a limit to the number of groups a user
can be a member of before you start getting weird logon issues (I can recall
using the tokensz tool to calculate the number of groups users were members
of at one point). This may or not be a factor for some people.

2009/10/13 David Lum 

>  I am going through file/folder permissions and our security groups in AD
> – I imagine some of you guys have hundreds of security groups? For a given
> share I have a security group associated (with RWXD perms) with it, and if
> some folks need read-only I create another group. I also have groups for
> each department and they become members of whatever security group is
> associated with access to whatever shares they need. I do the same for
> non-shared folders that also need specific permissions.
>
> *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> (Desk) 971.222.1025 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764
>
>
>
>
>
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>


-- 
"On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question."

http://raythestray.blogspot.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: A poke in the eye for cloud computing?

[Alverson, Tom (Xetron)]

They DID send the black helicopter, he just didn't hear it.



-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: A poke in the eye for cloud computing?


  Best conspiracy theory seen so far: Microsoft did this deliberately,
in order to make people fear cloud computing (Google) and put their
trust back in traditional client/server (Microsoft).

http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2009/10/12/the_sidekick_data_disaster/ind
ex.html

  Somebody please send a black helicopter over to Andrew Leonard's
property.  ;-)

* * *


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Sanity check - AD groups

[Erik Goldoff]

agreed with most replies ...

as long as you don't create too many individual groups ( so many as to be
insane to manage ) I think you're always better off with discreet, granular
groups ( ideally with self documenting names too ) so as not to over-permit
beyond what is needed ... back to the principle of 'least privledged'

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:48 AM, David Lum  wrote:

>  I am going through file/folder permissions and our security groups in AD
> – I imagine some of you guys have hundreds of security groups? For a given
> share I have a security group associated (with RWXD perms) with it, and if
> some folks need read-only I create another group. I also have groups for
> each department and they become members of whatever security group is
> associated with access to whatever shares they need. I do the same for
> non-shared folders that also need specific permissions.
>
> *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> (Desk) 971.222.1025 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Sanity check - AD groups

[James Rankin]

As I try to instil in my first-line support bods - a group without a good,
succinct description is like fish without chips.

2009/10/13 Erik Goldoff 

> agreed with most replies ...
>
> as long as you don't create too many individual groups ( so many as to be
> insane to manage ) I think you're always better off with discreet, granular
> groups ( ideally with self documenting names too ) so as not to over-permit
> beyond what is needed ... back to the principle of 'least privledged'
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:48 AM, David Lum  wrote:
>
>>  I am going through file/folder permissions and our security groups in AD
>> – I imagine some of you guys have hundreds of security groups? For a given
>> share I have a security group associated (with RWXD perms) with it, and if
>> some folks need read-only I create another group. I also have groups for
>> each department and they become members of whatever security group is
>> associated with access to whatever shares they need. I do the same for
>> non-shared folders that also need specific permissions.
>>
>> *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER
>> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
>> (Desk) 971.222.1025 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764
>>
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-- 
"On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question."

http://raythestray.blogspot.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: NAS/SAN

[Martin Blackstone]

NetApp offers:

SnapManager for Virtual Infrastructure. This allows you to take snapshots of
running VM's. It integrates with VI so that  it VI can put the VM's into a
hot backup mode and allow for the snapshot. In the event you blow up a VM or
the OS running under it or any other type of disaster, you simply recover
the snapshot and you are up and running.

Try taking a cold snapshot of your running VM's and restore those. You will
probably get a success rate of anywhere between 0-100%. But you will never
know until you need it and it will change every single day.

You no longer need to run BackupExec inside your VM's anymore. Oh, and this
whole process takes about...5 minutes? That's 5 minutes for your whole VM
infrastructure.  Restore a whole 30 GB VM? 15-20 Min.

 

Their Exchange and SQL SnapManager products are the same. Snapshot all your
Exchange stores in 30 seconds. Backup done! PLUS, the big win in my opinion
is once your Exchange stores are snapshoted, the application will run
ESEUtil against those snapshoted stores to ensure they are in a consistant
state. No more running tape jobs or even disk jobs and praying that if you
ever need them that they are good. Same for SQL...

Restore and Exchange store? 1-2 min for the store, and then log playback
time whatever that takes. Then it is even nice enough to mount the store. J

 

My point is that none of these are not just nice bonus's, but very powerful
tools that show what NetApp brings to the party and goes back to my original
statement which was look at the applications your storage provider can
provide with the devices to make your life easier and more productive.

 

Now my secret is out..

I demo these products all the time for customers and a lot of times its
things like this that turn the deal. DAS is cheap, and like I said,  open up
any computer magazine and anyone can sell you disk. But what can this disk
do for you?? What can it do for your org?

 

Storage isn't just about how much disk you can buy anymore. Storage is about
tools. Tools to improve your life, tools to improve data management, and
tools to improve recovery and the safety of your data.

 

There may be a reason NetApp won MS Storage Partner of the year. J

 

 

 

 

From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:li...@levelfive.us] 
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NAS/SAN

 

I was at the vmware forum the other day and netapp did a decent demo on
their new offerings with deduping backups, sql and exchange for storage
recovery. Also their app has a plugin for vcenter so you could manage the
SAN from the vi console which I thought was a nice little bonus.
 
Up to this point we have been building SANS via basic servers using either
Datacore or Starwind software controllers. For other areas we also use NFS
for less required storage like file sharing etc. 
 
My client just purchased 2 PS 6000's and I have another client who has an
HP-SAN and running 20 VM's on it ran it to a crawl so they are moving into
LeftHand after demoing it out. 
 
The hp san was managed and I never laid eyes on it other than running vmware
benchmarks on it and it didn't fare too well, it was their entry level
product. 
 
Starwind reports 3250 IOPS which is okay, but its memory usage masks a lot
of that if you get a server with a lot of ram then the disk i/o is pretty
good. Datacore does similar at a higher level (and price) but still less
than a hardware based SAN of similar size.
 
Im just learning about benchmarking SAN's myself (any tips appreciated). I
run DRBD/IET in my datacenter because I can babysit it. I also have a
Starwind server that does snapshot backups of all 4 of my esx servers and it
does it pretty well.
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: mail server DR ?

[Jon Harris]

Look at virtualizing the Exchange server and look also at Martin
Blackstone's comments about storage.  That is the only way I have ever heard
of that doing anything close to what you are asking to do.

Jon

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:37 AM, wjh  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> So the VP of one of our clients wants to be able to guarantee a 45 minute
> window of downtime if there is a critical failure of their mail server.
>  They are using exchange 2003 enterprise in standalone on a HP DL360 with a
> StorageWorks connected by scsi.  The mdbdata folder is 450GB.  This is for
> less than 200 users.  They currently have no retention policy and no limit
> on mailbox sizes.  They have 100 users with blackberries on a BES 5.0
> server.  Very important that BBs stay workable.
>
> Backup Exec does incremental to disk and fulls to tape(LTO4) for offsite
> storage.  They have a  metro Ethernet connection providing a 100 meg
> connection to the internet at a data center.
>
> What would you consider a reasonable solution for DR within 45 minutes?
>  They supposedly had no money for projects/capital expenditures remaining
> this year, but then he asked for this.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts/advice.
>
> Bill
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: test...sorry..

[Maglinger, Paul]

C++
 
(After all, this IS a computer forum)



From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: test...sorry..



C+

 

  

 

From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:bch...@medaille.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: test...sorry..

 

 

 

 

 

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

128bit OS?

[David W. McSpadden]

I have read two different articles.  One says Windows 8 will be 128 bit and the 
other says there is no such thing??
I want to trust the Internet but it is confusing me.

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Sanity check - AD groups

[Charlie Kaiser]

At my last gig with lots of file servers/shares/groups my redesign
incorporated two local groups; one full, one RO that had rights to the
resource. All the AD groups went into those local groups as needed. Never
had to re-acl the resource that way...
We had three structures for groups; one was location-based, the other was
departmental, the third was role-based. That worked out nicely for us and
facilitated cross-location and/or cross functional teams.
Our philosophy was that any complexity or difficulty of management should be
borne by IT and make it easier for the business units to function
seamlessly. So if we had almost as many groups as users it was OK because it
allowed the business to function well and after all, it was IT's job to
facilitate business. After a merger we had a royal battle because the big
fish company didn't like lots of groups. No good reason, just didn't like
having lots of groups. Idiots. Brought business to a crawl for a while. When
the business was spun off again, we went back to our old model and things
smoothed out.

***
Charlie Kaiser
charl...@golden-eagle.org
Kingman, AZ
***  

> -Original Message-
> From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:49 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Sanity check - AD groups
> 
> I am going through file/folder permissions and our security 
> groups in AD - I imagine some of you guys have hundreds of 
> security groups? For a given share I have a security group 
> associated (with RWXD perms) with it, and if some folks need 
> read-only I create another group. I also have groups for each 
> department and they become members of whatever security group 
> is associated with access to whatever shares they need. I do 
> the same for non-shared folders that also need specific permissions.
> 
> David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 


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RE: mail server DR ?

[Richard Stovall]

What actually needs to happen at the end of that 45 minutes?  Does ll of
the existing 450GB need to be available, or a dial-tone server which
will send and receive mail for all users to which you can restore backed
up data later.


-Original Message-
From: wjh [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: mail server DR ?

Hi all,

So the VP of one of our clients wants to be able to guarantee a 45 
minute window of downtime if there is a critical failure of their mail 
server.  They are using exchange 2003 enterprise in standalone on a HP 
DL360 with a StorageWorks connected by scsi.  The mdbdata folder is 
450GB.  This is for less than 200 users.  They currently have no 
retention policy and no limit on mailbox sizes.  They have 100 users 
with blackberries on a BES 5.0 server.  Very important that BBs stay 
workable.

Backup Exec does incremental to disk and fulls to tape(LTO4) for offsite

storage.  They have a  metro Ethernet connection providing a 100 meg 
connection to the internet at a data center.

What would you consider a reasonable solution for DR within 45 minutes?

They supposedly had no money for projects/capital expenditures remaining

this year, but then he asked for this.

Thanks for any thoughts/advice.

Bill

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~   ~

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Re: mail server DR ?

[Erik Goldoff]

since they already have iSCCI SAN storage, run Exchange in a VM ( Virtual
Server or VMWare, whichever you can support better/cheaper ... ) so that you
can always boot up a new VM on another box if the server itself crashes,
even if at dimished performance from the production server, it will still be
available until repair is complete

On the SAN, run snapshots and make sure to use multiple LUNs for redundancy
A Backup Exec restore from tape for 450GB can NOT happen in a 45 minute
window
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:37 AM, wjh  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> So the VP of one of our clients wants to be able to guarantee a 45 minute
> window of downtime if there is a critical failure of their mail server.
>  They are using exchange 2003 enterprise in standalone on a HP DL360 with a
> StorageWorks connected by scsi.  The mdbdata folder is 450GB.  This is for
> less than 200 users.  They currently have no retention policy and no limit
> on mailbox sizes.  They have 100 users with blackberries on a BES 5.0
> server.  Very important that BBs stay workable.
>
> Backup Exec does incremental to disk and fulls to tape(LTO4) for offsite
> storage.  They have a  metro Ethernet connection providing a 100 meg
> connection to the internet at a data center.
>
> What would you consider a reasonable solution for DR within 45 minutes?
>  They supposedly had no money for projects/capital expenditures remaining
> this year, but then he asked for this.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts/advice.
>
> Bill
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: 128bit OS?

[Erik Goldoff]

well, seeing how Intel based CPUs are *still* advertised based on being
64-bit wit 64 bit memory addressing, I'd say 128 bit version of Windows 8 is
still vaporware for the common man

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:47 AM, David W. McSpadden  wrote:

>  I have read two different articles.  One says Windows 8 will be 128 bit
> and the other says there is no such thing??
> I want to trust the Internet but it is confusing me.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: mail server DR ?

[Martin Blackstone]

No money? Prayer

-Original Message-
From: wjh [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: mail server DR ?

Hi all,

So the VP of one of our clients wants to be able to guarantee a 45 
minute window of downtime if there is a critical failure of their mail 
server.  They are using exchange 2003 enterprise in standalone on a HP 
DL360 with a StorageWorks connected by scsi.  The mdbdata folder is 
450GB.  This is for less than 200 users.  They currently have no 
retention policy and no limit on mailbox sizes.  They have 100 users 
with blackberries on a BES 5.0 server.  Very important that BBs stay 
workable.

Backup Exec does incremental to disk and fulls to tape(LTO4) for offsite 
storage.  They have a  metro Ethernet connection providing a 100 meg 
connection to the internet at a data center.

What would you consider a reasonable solution for DR within 45 minutes?  
They supposedly had no money for projects/capital expenditures remaining 
this year, but then he asked for this.

Thanks for any thoughts/advice.

Bill

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


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~   ~

RE: test...sorry..

[John Aldrich]

*GROAN*

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: test...sorry..

 

C++

 

(After all, this IS a computer forum)

 

  _  

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: test...sorry..

C+

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:bch...@medaille.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: test...sorry..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Sanity check - AD groups

[James Rankin]

That's the best way to do it - the old classic AGLP model - but at the
moment I don't have time to maintain the local groups on the member servers,
unfortunately. More staff required :-(

The best thing about the "one-group" model I find is that I can see all of a
user's privileges just by looking at the "Member Of" tab in ADUC. I can see
their drive mappings, internet access level, deployed applications,
available printers, Citrix apps, DL memberships and lots of other stuff
without having to dig at all.

2009/10/13 Charlie Kaiser 

> At my last gig with lots of file servers/shares/groups my redesign
> incorporated two local groups; one full, one RO that had rights to the
> resource. All the AD groups went into those local groups as needed. Never
> had to re-acl the resource that way...
> We had three structures for groups; one was location-based, the other was
> departmental, the third was role-based. That worked out nicely for us and
> facilitated cross-location and/or cross functional teams.
> Our philosophy was that any complexity or difficulty of management should
> be
> borne by IT and make it easier for the business units to function
> seamlessly. So if we had almost as many groups as users it was OK because
> it
> allowed the business to function well and after all, it was IT's job to
> facilitate business. After a merger we had a royal battle because the big
> fish company didn't like lots of groups. No good reason, just didn't like
> having lots of groups. Idiots. Brought business to a crawl for a while.
> When
> the business was spun off again, we went back to our old model and things
> smoothed out.
>
> ***
> Charlie Kaiser
> charl...@golden-eagle.org
> Kingman, AZ
> ***
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:49 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Sanity check - AD groups
> >
> > I am going through file/folder permissions and our security
> > groups in AD - I imagine some of you guys have hundreds of
> > security groups? For a given share I have a security group
> > associated (with RWXD perms) with it, and if some folks need
> > read-only I create another group. I also have groups for each
> > department and they become members of whatever security group
> > is associated with access to whatever shares they need. I do
> > the same for non-shared folders that also need specific permissions.
> >
> > David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> > NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> > (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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> ~   ~
>



-- 
"On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question."

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One Script to rule them all

[Clayton Doige]

Hi all, Windows 2003 R1 domain, 45 sites, 80 subnets, 340 MB sysvol share
due to bloated group policies and legacy scripts, bald sysadmin trying to
manage havin been with the company 6 months - talk about group policy
inheritance!

in the process of cleaning up the AD in general (104 OU's containing
computers accounts, 2000 computer accounts have not reset their domain
password in the last 90 days, twice that number in AD) deep joy

I would like to go old school on things to clean up AD so that I can start
to kill policies so I am creating a new structure and am going to migrate
objects into the new structure - for users and computers the structure will
be based on site

So...

I'd like to create a script that will assign various settings based on the
subnet the user is logging on to

In the main the existing group polices simply set Important URL's in IE and
set the proxy settings (seriously)

Important URLS I am happy to stick at the root of the users OU,  however for
the proxy settings I would like to have the computer import a site.reg file
at logon based on the ip range - I don't know how to do this

Trying to avoid the 'if member' route because the group structure in this AD
is even more messed up than the OU structure

What do those of you with multiple sites do to manage the size of your
sysvol whilst making sure all of your site specific requirements are met? Is
there a nice script that says 'if ipconfig < 192.168.100.1 and >
192.168.100.100 \\dc\sysvol\site.reg  or similar?
and then from there if i wanted to specify drive mappings for the site etc?

Thanks for any advice!

Clayton

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~   ~

RE: mail server DR ?

[Davies,Matt]

Maybe I'm missing the point here, but 45 minute downtime can be achieved, but 
how many minutes/hours of data are you prepared to lose ? Given that money is a 
problem so some form of asyn replication is used.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: wjh [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
Sent: 13 October 2009 14:38
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: mail server DR ?

Hi all,

So the VP of one of our clients wants to be able to guarantee a 45
minute window of downtime if there is a critical failure of their mail
server.  They are using exchange 2003 enterprise in standalone on a HP
DL360 with a StorageWorks connected by scsi.  The mdbdata folder is
450GB.  This is for less than 200 users.  They currently have no
retention policy and no limit on mailbox sizes.  They have 100 users
with blackberries on a BES 5.0 server.  Very important that BBs stay
workable.

Backup Exec does incremental to disk and fulls to tape(LTO4) for offsite
storage.  They have a  metro Ethernet connection providing a 100 meg
connection to the internet at a data center.

What would you consider a reasonable solution for DR within 45 minutes?
They supposedly had no money for projects/capital expenditures remaining
this year, but then he asked for this.

Thanks for any thoughts/advice.

Bill

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RE: One Script to rule them all

[Brian Desmond]

Clayton-

Given your specific requirement, I would suggest using site based group 
policies.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132

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From: Clayton Doige [mailto:clayton.do...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: One Script to rule them all

Hi all, Windows 2003 R1 domain, 45 sites, 80 subnets, 340 MB sysvol share due 
to bloated group policies and legacy scripts, bald sysadmin trying to manage 
havin been with the company 6 months - talk about group policy inheritance!

in the process of cleaning up the AD in general (104 OU's containing computers 
accounts, 2000 computer accounts have not reset their domain password in the 
last 90 days, twice that number in AD) deep joy

I would like to go old school on things to clean up AD so that I can start to 
kill policies so I am creating a new structure and am going to migrate objects 
into the new structure - for users and computers the structure will be based on 
site

So...

I'd like to create a script that will assign various settings based on the 
subnet the user is logging on to

In the main the existing group polices simply set Important URL's in IE and set 
the proxy settings (seriously)

Important URLS I am happy to stick at the root of the users OU,  however for 
the proxy settings I would like to have the computer import a site.reg file at 
logon based on the ip range - I don't know how to do this

Trying to avoid the 'if member' route because the group structure in this AD is 
even more messed up than the OU structure

What do those of you with multiple sites do to manage the size of your sysvol 
whilst making sure all of your site specific requirements are met? Is there a 
nice script that says 'if ipconfig < 192.168.100.1 and > 192.168.100.100 
\\dc\sysvol\site.reg or similar? and then from 
there if i wanted to specify drive mappings for the site etc?

Thanks for any advice!

Clayton





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~   ~

Re: mail server DR ?

[Clayton Doige]

Double Take - will have you up in running in 5 minutes

2009/10/13 Davies,Matt 

> Maybe I'm missing the point here, but 45 minute downtime can be achieved,
> but how many minutes/hours of data are you prepared to lose ? Given that
> money is a problem so some form of asyn replication is used.
>
> Matt
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wjh [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
> Sent: 13 October 2009 14:38
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: mail server DR ?
>
> Hi all,
>
> So the VP of one of our clients wants to be able to guarantee a 45
> minute window of downtime if there is a critical failure of their mail
> server.  They are using exchange 2003 enterprise in standalone on a HP
> DL360 with a StorageWorks connected by scsi.  The mdbdata folder is
> 450GB.  This is for less than 200 users.  They currently have no
> retention policy and no limit on mailbox sizes.  They have 100 users
> with blackberries on a BES 5.0 server.  Very important that BBs stay
> workable.
>
> Backup Exec does incremental to disk and fulls to tape(LTO4) for offsite
> storage.  They have a  metro Ethernet connection providing a 100 meg
> connection to the internet at a data center.
>
> What would you consider a reasonable solution for DR within 45 minutes?
> They supposedly had no money for projects/capital expenditures remaining
> this year, but then he asked for this.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts/advice.
>
> Bill
>
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> ~   ~
>
>
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-- 
Regards,

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http://alsipius.com

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RE: NAS/SAN

[Davies,Matt]

+1

Netapp's tools make the difference, compared to other storage vendors.



From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com]
Sent: 13 October 2009 14:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NAS/SAN

NetApp offers:
SnapManager for Virtual Infrastructure. This allows you to take snapshots of 
running VM's. It integrates with VI so that  it VI can put the VM's into a hot 
backup mode and allow for the snapshot. In the event you blow up a VM or the OS 
running under it or any other type of disaster, you simply recover the snapshot 
and you are up and running.
Try taking a cold snapshot of your running VM's and restore those. You will 
probably get a success rate of anywhere between 0-100%. But you will never know 
until you need it and it will change every single day.
You no longer need to run BackupExec inside your VM's anymore. Oh, and this 
whole process takes about.5 minutes? That's 5 minutes for your whole VM 
infrastructure.  Restore a whole 30 GB VM? 15-20 Min.

Their Exchange and SQL SnapManager products are the same. Snapshot all your 
Exchange stores in 30 seconds. Backup done! PLUS, the big win in my opinion is 
once your Exchange stores are snapshoted, the application will run ESEUtil 
against those snapshoted stores to ensure they are in a consistant state. No 
more running tape jobs or even disk jobs and praying that if you ever need them 
that they are good. Same for SQL.
Restore and Exchange store? 1-2 min for the store, and then log playback time 
whatever that takes. Then it is even nice enough to mount the store. :)

My point is that none of these are not just nice bonus's, but very powerful 
tools that show what NetApp brings to the party and goes back to my original 
statement which was look at the applications your storage provider can provide 
with the devices to make your life easier and more productive.

Now my secret is out
I demo these products all the time for customers and a lot of times its things 
like this that turn the deal. DAS is cheap, and like I said,  open up any 
computer magazine and anyone can sell you disk. But what can this disk do for 
you?? What can it do for your org?

Storage isn't just about how much disk you can buy anymore. Storage is about  
tools. Tools to improve your life, tools to improve data management, and tools 
to improve recovery and the safety of your data.

There may be a reason NetApp won MS Storage Partner of the year. :)




From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:li...@levelfive.us]
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NAS/SAN


I was at the vmware forum the other day and netapp did a decent demo on their 
new offerings with deduping backups, sql and exchange for storage recovery. 
Also their app has a plugin for vcenter so you could manage the SAN from the vi 
console which I thought was a nice little bonus.



Up to this point we have been building SANS via basic servers using either 
Datacore or Starwind software controllers. For other areas we also use NFS for 
less required storage like file sharing etc.



My client just purchased 2 PS 6000's and I have another client who has an 
HP-SAN and running 20 VM's on it ran it to a crawl so they are moving into 
LeftHand after demoing it out.



The hp san was managed and I never laid eyes on it other than running vmware 
benchmarks on it and it didn't fare too well, it was their entry level product.



Starwind reports 3250 IOPS which is okay, but its memory usage masks a lot of 
that if you get a server with a lot of ram then the disk i/o is pretty good. 
Datacore does similar at a higher level (and price) but still less than a 
hardware based SAN of similar size.



Im just learning about benchmarking SAN's myself (any tips appreciated). I run 
DRBD/IET in my datacenter because I can babysit it. I also have a Starwind 
server that does snapshot backups of all 4 of my esx servers and it does it 
pretty well.



































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SQL Agent Job issue

[Joseph L. Casale]

I have a job defined with several steps, one is a batch file that maps a drive 
on a Samba server. To setup the IPC session so the UNC exists, I start the 
script with:

rem Setup IPC$
net use \\Server /USER:user_name password

But I get an error in the log:
"A specified logon session does not exist. It may already have been terminated."

Any ideas, obviously this works at the cli, just not when the job is run as 
scheduled.

Thanks!
jlc

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Re: One Script to rule them all

[James Rankin]

If you install the extensions on all your systems so you can use the new
2008 Group Policy Preferences, you can use the "item-level targeting"
feature to direct GPOs only onto systems in particular IP ranges. You can
set these up within the GPOs (i.e. a set of settings in one GPO that each
only apply to particular subnets) which would reduce the amount of GPOs in
your sysvol

2009/10/13 Clayton Doige 

> Hi all, Windows 2003 R1 domain, 45 sites, 80 subnets, 340 MB sysvol share
> due to bloated group policies and legacy scripts, bald sysadmin trying to
> manage havin been with the company 6 months - talk about group policy
> inheritance!
>
> in the process of cleaning up the AD in general (104 OU's containing
> computers accounts, 2000 computer accounts have not reset their domain
> password in the last 90 days, twice that number in AD) deep joy
>
> I would like to go old school on things to clean up AD so that I can start
> to kill policies so I am creating a new structure and am going to migrate
> objects into the new structure - for users and computers the structure will
> be based on site
>
> So...
>
> I'd like to create a script that will assign various settings based on the
> subnet the user is logging on to
>
> In the main the existing group polices simply set Important URL's in IE and
> set the proxy settings (seriously)
>
> Important URLS I am happy to stick at the root of the users OU,  however
> for the proxy settings I would like to have the computer import a site.reg
> file at logon based on the ip range - I don't know how to do this
>
> Trying to avoid the 'if member' route because the group structure in this
> AD is even more messed up than the OU structure
>
> What do those of you with multiple sites do to manage the size of your
> sysvol whilst making sure all of your site specific requirements are met? Is
> there a nice script that says 'if ipconfig < 192.168.100.1 and >
> 192.168.100.100 \\dc\sysvol\site.reg or similar? and then from there if i
> wanted to specify drive mappings for the site etc?
>
> Thanks for any advice!
>
> Clayton
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
"On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question."

http://raythestray.blogspot.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: mail server DR ?

[Charlie Kaiser]

Ummm... Rebooting expectations perhaps? :-)

Has anyone tried restoring that DB anywhere? It's not going to happen in 45
minutes...

Without much more detail it's tough to make solid recommendations, but a few
things that would be on my list...
1. Recommend mailbox management to get the store size down. Make the point
that the larger the store, the longer it takes and the more it will cost for
HA. They may not be willing, but at least it sets the bar for
complexity/cost.
2. Define DR for them. Dial-tone Exchange (inbound/outbound mail, nothing
old in the mailboxes for a while) or full recovery. You could probably have
a dial-tone system up in an hour or so. Also determine if they want full
email fast recovery for all users or just a subset.
3. Some form of clustering/cluster rep. Numerous options available.
4. BES HA is somewhat easier. Check their latest docs, but the last time I
worked with a BES the solution was an off-box DB that the BES could point
to. Have a second BES (maybe a VM) ready to spin up if one fails. They may
have a more elegant solution by now. But if that DB goes down, SQL recovery
has to be in place.
5. Make the point that this will be expensive and require significant
testing.
6. Migrate to hosted Exchange... :-)

Good luck...

***
Charlie Kaiser
charl...@golden-eagle.org
Kingman, AZ
***  

> -Original Message-
> From: wjh [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:38 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: mail server DR ?
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So the VP of one of our clients wants to be able to guarantee 
> a 45 minute window of downtime if there is a critical failure 
> of their mail server.  They are using exchange 2003 
> enterprise in standalone on a HP DL360 with a StorageWorks 
> connected by scsi.  The mdbdata folder is 450GB.  This is for 
> less than 200 users.  They currently have no retention policy 
> and no limit on mailbox sizes.  They have 100 users with 
> blackberries on a BES 5.0 server.  Very important that BBs 
> stay workable.
> 
> Backup Exec does incremental to disk and fulls to tape(LTO4) 
> for offsite storage.  They have a  metro Ethernet connection 
> providing a 100 meg connection to the internet at a data center.
> 
> What would you consider a reasonable solution for DR within 
> 45 minutes?  
> They supposedly had no money for projects/capital 
> expenditures remaining this year, but then he asked for this.
> 
> Thanks for any thoughts/advice.
> 
> Bill
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource 
> hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: NAS/SAN

[John Aldrich]

Here's a question - I've been contemplating trying to have mirrored storage
appliances, one at the main site and one at a "DR" site (physically
separated by about 30-40 miles.. but connected over a hardware VPN.) If I
had a storage appliance taking snapshots a couple times a day and backing at
least one of those up to tape, would I necessarily need a second one? What
if, God forbid, the building with the storage gets a direct lightning hit
and fries the storage device along with every other piece of electronic
equipment there?

 

Does it make sense to have a mirrored storage appliance or is that overkill
from a DR/Business Continuity perspective?

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Davies,Matt [mailto:mdav...@generalatlantic.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NAS/SAN

 

+1 

 

Netapp's tools make the difference, compared to other storage vendors.

 

 

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 13 October 2009 14:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NAS/SAN

 

NetApp offers:

SnapManager for Virtual Infrastructure. This allows you to take snapshots of
running VM's. It integrates with VI so that  it VI can put the VM's into a
hot backup mode and allow for the snapshot. In the event you blow up a VM or
the OS running under it or any other type of disaster, you simply recover
the snapshot and you are up and running.

Try taking a cold snapshot of your running VM's and restore those. You will
probably get a success rate of anywhere between 0-100%. But you will never
know until you need it and it will change every single day.

You no longer need to run BackupExec inside your VM's anymore. Oh, and this
whole process takes about...5 minutes? That's 5 minutes for your whole VM
infrastructure.  Restore a whole 30 GB VM? 15-20 Min.

 

Their Exchange and SQL SnapManager products are the same. Snapshot all your
Exchange stores in 30 seconds. Backup done! PLUS, the big win in my opinion
is once your Exchange stores are snapshoted, the application will run
ESEUtil against those snapshoted stores to ensure they are in a consistant
state. No more running tape jobs or even disk jobs and praying that if you
ever need them that they are good. Same for SQL...

Restore and Exchange store? 1-2 min for the store, and then log playback
time whatever that takes. Then it is even nice enough to mount the store. J

 

My point is that none of these are not just nice bonus's, but very powerful
tools that show what NetApp brings to the party and goes back to my original
statement which was look at the applications your storage provider can
provide with the devices to make your life easier and more productive.

 

Now my secret is out..

I demo these products all the time for customers and a lot of times its
things like this that turn the deal. DAS is cheap, and like I said,  open up
any computer magazine and anyone can sell you disk. But what can this disk
do for you?? What can it do for your org?

 

Storage isn't just about how much disk you can buy anymore. Storage is about
tools. Tools to improve your life, tools to improve data management, and
tools to improve recovery and the safety of your data.

 

There may be a reason NetApp won MS Storage Partner of the year. J

 

 

 

 

From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:li...@levelfive.us] 
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NAS/SAN

 

I was at the vmware forum the other day and netapp did a decent demo on
their new offerings with deduping backups, sql and exchange for storage
recovery. Also their app has a plugin for vcenter so you could manage the
SAN from the vi console which I thought was a nice little bonus.
 
Up to this point we have been building SANS via basic servers using either
Datacore or Starwind software controllers. For other areas we also use NFS
for less required storage like file sharing etc. 
 
My client just purchased 2 PS 6000's and I have another client who has an
HP-SAN and running 20 VM's on it ran it to a crawl so they are moving into
LeftHand after demoing it out. 
 
The hp san was managed and I never laid eyes on it other than running vmware
benchmarks on it and it didn't fare too well, it was their entry level
product. 
 
Starwind reports 3250 IOPS which is okay, but its memory usage masks a lot
of that if you get a server with a lot of ram then the disk i/o is pretty
good. Datacore does similar at a higher level (and price) but still less
than a hardware based SAN of similar size.
 
Im just learning about benchmarking SAN's myself (any tips appreciated). I
run DRBD/IET in my datacenter because I can babysit it. I also have a
Starwind server that does snapshot backups of all 4 of my esx servers and it
does it pretty well.
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: Sanity check - AD groups

[David Lum]

Amen on the self-documenting names! My ACL group names follow whatever they 
have access to : SERVER1-SHARE7, etc. That way if I have a department group and 
I look at its "member of" tab I can see exactly where they have access to.
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Sanity check - AD groups

agreed with most replies ...

as long as you don't create too many individual groups ( so many as to be 
insane to manage ) I think you're always better off with discreet, granular 
groups ( ideally with self documenting names too ) so as not to over-permit 
beyond what is needed ... back to the principle of 'least privledged'
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:48 AM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
I am going through file/folder permissions and our security groups in AD - I 
imagine some of you guys have hundreds of security groups? For a given share I 
have a security group associated (with RWXD perms) with it, and if some folks 
need read-only I create another group. I also have groups for each department 
and they become members of whatever security group is associated with access to 
whatever shares they need. I do the same for non-shared folders that also need 
specific permissions.
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764











~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Sanity check - AD groups

[Erik Goldoff]

That makes sense !  But do it anyway   ( Hello John ! )

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:17 AM, David Lum  wrote:

>  Amen on the self-documenting names! My ACL group names follow whatever
> they have access to : SERVER1-SHARE7, etc. That way if I have a department
> group and I look at its “member of” tab I can see exactly where they have
> access to.
>
> *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> (Desk) 971.222.1025 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764
>
> *From:* Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:28 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Sanity check - AD groups
>
>
>
> agreed with most replies ...
>
>
>
> as long as you don't create too many individual groups ( so many as to be
> insane to manage ) I think you're always better off with discreet, granular
> groups ( ideally with self documenting names too ) so as not to over-permit
> beyond what is needed ... back to the principle of 'least privledged'
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:48 AM, David Lum  wrote:
>
> I am going through file/folder permissions and our security groups in AD –
> I imagine some of you guys have hundreds of security groups? For a given
> share I have a security group associated (with RWXD perms) with it, and if
> some folks need read-only I create another group. I also have groups for
> each department and they become members of whatever security group is
> associated with access to whatever shares they need. I do the same for
> non-shared folders that also need specific permissions.
>
> *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> (Desk) 971.222.1025 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: test...sorry..

[Jonathan Link]

Quit with the Smalltalk already.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Maglinger, Paul wrote:

>  C++
>
> (After all, this IS a computer forum)
>
>  --
> *From:* John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:18 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: test...sorry..
>
>C+
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools]
>
>
>
> *From:* Chyka, Robert [mailto:bch...@medaille.edu]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:16 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* test...sorry..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

RE: NAS/SAN

[Davies,Matt]

We have multiple Netapp filers dotted round the world, not only do we use 
clustered heads to allow failure at the local sites, we also replicate 
(snapmirror) the key data between filers in different locations/countries.

Yes it is asynchronous, but if you have the bandwidth, you can replicate the 
data every 15mins or less. Add to this Vmware  and the whole process of failing 
over to a remote site is so much easier, and can be done quickly.

As soon as you try and step into the synchronous world of replication, SAN 
solutions and links start to get very expensive and complicate.

Matt


From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: 13 October 2009 15:17
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NAS/SAN

Here's a question - I've been contemplating trying to have mirrored storage 
appliances, one at the main site and one at a "DR" site (physically separated 
by about 30-40 miles.. but connected over a hardware VPN.) If I had a storage 
appliance taking snapshots a couple times a day and backing at least one of 
those up to tape, would I necessarily need a second one? What if, God forbid, 
the building with the storage gets a direct lightning hit and fries the storage 
device along with every other piece of electronic equipment there?

Does it make sense to have a mirrored storage appliance or is that overkill 
from a DR/Business Continuity perspective?

[cid:image001.jpg@01CA4C19.25432050][cid:image002@01ca4c19.25432050]

From: Davies,Matt [mailto:mdav...@generalatlantic.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NAS/SAN

+1

Netapp's tools make the difference, compared to other storage vendors.



From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com]
Sent: 13 October 2009 14:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NAS/SAN

NetApp offers:
SnapManager for Virtual Infrastructure. This allows you to take snapshots of 
running VM's. It integrates with VI so that  it VI can put the VM's into a hot 
backup mode and allow for the snapshot. In the event you blow up a VM or the OS 
running under it or any other type of disaster, you simply recover the snapshot 
and you are up and running.
Try taking a cold snapshot of your running VM's and restore those. You will 
probably get a success rate of anywhere between 0-100%. But you will never know 
until you need it and it will change every single day.
You no longer need to run BackupExec inside your VM's anymore. Oh, and this 
whole process takes about.5 minutes? That's 5 minutes for your whole VM 
infrastructure.  Restore a whole 30 GB VM? 15-20 Min.

Their Exchange and SQL SnapManager products are the same. Snapshot all your 
Exchange stores in 30 seconds. Backup done! PLUS, the big win in my opinion is 
once your Exchange stores are snapshoted, the application will run ESEUtil 
against those snapshoted stores to ensure they are in a consistant state. No 
more running tape jobs or even disk jobs and praying that if you ever need them 
that they are good. Same for SQL.
Restore and Exchange store? 1-2 min for the store, and then log playback time 
whatever that takes. Then it is even nice enough to mount the store. :)

My point is that none of these are not just nice bonus's, but very powerful 
tools that show what NetApp brings to the party and goes back to my original 
statement which was look at the applications your storage provider can provide 
with the devices to make your life easier and more productive.

Now my secret is out
I demo these products all the time for customers and a lot of times its things 
like this that turn the deal. DAS is cheap, and like I said,  open up any 
computer magazine and anyone can sell you disk. But what can this disk do for 
you?? What can it do for your org?

Storage isn't just about how much disk you can buy anymore. Storage is about  
tools. Tools to improve your life, tools to improve data management, and tools 
to improve recovery and the safety of your data.

There may be a reason NetApp won MS Storage Partner of the year. :)




From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:li...@levelfive.us]
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NAS/SAN


I was at the vmware forum the other day and netapp did a decent demo on their 
new offerings with deduping backups, sql and exchange for storage recovery. 
Also their app has a plugin for vcenter so you could manage the SAN from the vi 
console which I thought was a nice little bonus.



Up to this point we have been building SANS via basic servers using either 
Datacore or Starwind software controllers. For other areas we also use NFS for 
less required storage like file sharing etc.



My client just purchased 2 PS 6000's and I have another client who has an 
HP-SAN and running 20 VM's on it ran it to a crawl so they are moving into 
LeftHand after demoing it out.



The hp san was managed and I never laid eyes on it other than running vmware 
benchmarks on it and it didn't f

Re: SQL Agent Job issue

[Jonathan Link]

Use domain\user for the username?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Joseph L. Casale <
jcas...@activenetwerx.com> wrote:

>  I have a job defined with several steps, one is a batch file that maps a
> drive on a Samba server. To setup the IPC session so the UNC exists, I start
> the script with:
>
>
>
> rem Setup IPC$
>
> net use \\Server /USER:user_name password
>
>
>
> But I get an error in the log:
>
> “A specified logon session does not exist. It may already have been
> terminated.”
>
>
>
> Any ideas, obviously this works at the cli, just not when the job is run as
> scheduled.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
> jlc
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: 128bit OS?

[Jonathan Link]

Don't trust the internet, then it can't confuse you.

All the internet traffic on topic this all resulted from a LinkedIn profile
for an MS employee
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/173442/windows_8_details_emerge.html.
At this point it's all theoretical.  What I've read was all speculative.
I've seen some sites claime he was working on an IA-128 simulator (since no
chip actually exists), and others tried to relate it to storage capacity,
being able to access 128 bit storage such as a filesystem like ZFS.  My
hunch is that it is related to the storage aspect rather than actual 128 bit
processing.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:47 AM, David W. McSpadden  wrote:

>  I have read two different articles.  One says Windows 8 will be 128 bit
> and the other says there is no such thing??
> I want to trust the Internet but it is confusing me.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: 128bit OS?

[Andrew S. Baker]

Microsoft is not likely to release a mainstream 128-bit OS before they stop
selling 32-bit OSes.   We still have a decent way to go with 64-bit OSes,
particularly at the desktop level.

That info (which I also saw) is nothing better than an unsubstantiated
glimmer of a rumor.

*ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) 
*Providing Competitive Advantage through Effective IT Leadership*



On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:47 AM, David W. McSpadden  wrote:

>  I have read two different articles.  One says Windows 8 will be 128 bit
> and the other says there is no such thing??
> I want to trust the Internet but it is confusing me.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: SQL Agent Job issue

[Joseph L. Casale]

Well, the username is correct, there is no domain, it's a Unix account that has 
a Samba password.
I don't think it has anything to do with the username, as the error states, "A 
specified logon session does not exist." which is what I am chasing...
jlc

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SQL Agent Job issue

Use domain\user for the username?
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Joseph L. Casale 
mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com>> wrote:
I have a job defined with several steps, one is a batch file that maps a drive 
on a Samba server. To setup the IPC session so the UNC exists, I start the 
script with:

rem Setup IPC$
net use \\Server /USER:user_name password

But I get an error in the log:
"A specified logon session does not exist. It may already have been terminated."

Any ideas, obviously this works at the cli, just not when the job is run as 
scheduled.

Thanks!
jlc










~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: SQL Agent Job issue

[Kim Longenbaugh]

What about the user the scheduled task runs as?

 



From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SQL Agent Job issue

 

Well, the username is correct, there is no domain, it's a Unix account
that has a Samba password.
I don't think it has anything to do with the username, as the error
states, "A specified logon session does not exist." which is what I am
chasing...
jlc

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SQL Agent Job issue

 

Use domain\user for the username?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Joseph L. Casale
 wrote:

I have a job defined with several steps, one is a batch file that maps a
drive on a Samba server. To setup the IPC session so the UNC exists, I
start the script with:

 

rem Setup IPC$

net use \\Server /USER:user_name password

 

But I get an error in the log:

"A specified logon session does not exist. It may already have been
terminated."

 

Any ideas, obviously this works at the cli, just not when the job is run
as scheduled.

 

Thanks!
jlc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: NAS/SAN

[John Aldrich]

Yeah. I suppose with VMWare/Virtualized servers, it would be easier. That
being said, we only have two "real" servers - handling both file/printer
sharing as well as Active Directory Domain Controllers. I suppose it would
make a lot of sense, once we migrate the storage onto a storage appliance to
virtualize one of them at the D/R site so we could have a third DC at the
remote site. Or we could just move one of the DCs to the D/R site. Hmm.
something to think about.

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Davies,Matt [mailto:mdav...@generalatlantic.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NAS/SAN

 

We have multiple Netapp filers dotted round the world, not only do we use
clustered heads to allow failure at the local sites, we also replicate
(snapmirror) the key data between filers in different locations/countries.

 

Yes it is asynchronous, but if you have the bandwidth, you can replicate the
data every 15mins or less. Add to this Vmware  and the whole process of
failing over to a remote site is so much easier, and can be done quickly.

 

As soon as you try and step into the synchronous world of replication, SAN
solutions and links start to get very expensive and complicate.

 

Matt

 

 

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: 13 October 2009 15:17
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NAS/SAN

 

Here's a question - I've been contemplating trying to have mirrored storage
appliances, one at the main site and one at a "DR" site (physically
separated by about 30-40 miles.. but connected over a hardware VPN.) If I
had a storage appliance taking snapshots a couple times a day and backing at
least one of those up to tape, would I necessarily need a second one? What
if, God forbid, the building with the storage gets a direct lightning hit
and fries the storage device along with every other piece of electronic
equipment there?

 

Does it make sense to have a mirrored storage appliance or is that overkill
from a DR/Business Continuity perspective?

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Davies,Matt [mailto:mdav...@generalatlantic.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NAS/SAN

 

+1 

 

Netapp's tools make the difference, compared to other storage vendors.

 

 

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 13 October 2009 14:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NAS/SAN

 

NetApp offers:

SnapManager for Virtual Infrastructure. This allows you to take snapshots of
running VM's. It integrates with VI so that  it VI can put the VM's into a
hot backup mode and allow for the snapshot. In the event you blow up a VM or
the OS running under it or any other type of disaster, you simply recover
the snapshot and you are up and running.

Try taking a cold snapshot of your running VM's and restore those. You will
probably get a success rate of anywhere between 0-100%. But you will never
know until you need it and it will change every single day.

You no longer need to run BackupExec inside your VM's anymore. Oh, and this
whole process takes about...5 minutes? That's 5 minutes for your whole VM
infrastructure.  Restore a whole 30 GB VM? 15-20 Min.

 

Their Exchange and SQL SnapManager products are the same. Snapshot all your
Exchange stores in 30 seconds. Backup done! PLUS, the big win in my opinion
is once your Exchange stores are snapshoted, the application will run
ESEUtil against those snapshoted stores to ensure they are in a consistant
state. No more running tape jobs or even disk jobs and praying that if you
ever need them that they are good. Same for SQL...

Restore and Exchange store? 1-2 min for the store, and then log playback
time whatever that takes. Then it is even nice enough to mount the store. J

 

My point is that none of these are not just nice bonus's, but very powerful
tools that show what NetApp brings to the party and goes back to my original
statement which was look at the applications your storage provider can
provide with the devices to make your life easier and more productive.

 

Now my secret is out..

I demo these products all the time for customers and a lot of times its
things like this that turn the deal. DAS is cheap, and like I said,  open up
any computer magazine and anyone can sell you disk. But what can this disk
do for you?? What can it do for your org?

 

Storage isn't just about how much disk you can buy anymore. Storage is about
tools. Tools to improve your life, tools to improve data management, and
tools to improve recovery and the safety of your data.

 

There may be a reason NetApp won MS Storage Partner of the year. J

 

 

 

 

From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:li...@levelfive.us] 
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NAS/SAN

 

I was at the vmware forum the other day and netapp did a decent demo on
their new offerings with deduping backups, sql and exchange for storage
recovery

RE: SQL Agent Job issue

[Richard Stovall]

Why are you mapping a drive?  Do the rest of your batch file commands
not support UNC paths?

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SQL Agent Job issue

 

Use domain\user for the username?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Joseph L. Casale
 wrote:

I have a job defined with several steps, one is a batch file that maps a
drive on a Samba server. To setup the IPC session so the UNC exists, I
start the script with:

 

rem Setup IPC$

net use \\Server /USER:user_name password

 

But I get an error in the log:

"A specified logon session does not exist. It may already have been
terminated."

 

Any ideas, obviously this works at the cli, just not when the job is run
as scheduled.

 

Thanks!
jlc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: SQL Agent Job issue

[Richard Stovall]

I guess that was possibly a dumb question.  If you use UNC paths you'd
have to re-authenticate for every command that uses one, huh?

 

From: Richard Stovall [mailto:richard.stov...@researchdata.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SQL Agent Job issue

 

Why are you mapping a drive?  Do the rest of your batch file commands
not support UNC paths?

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SQL Agent Job issue

 

Use domain\user for the username?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Joseph L. Casale
 wrote:

I have a job defined with several steps, one is a batch file that maps a
drive on a Samba server. To setup the IPC session so the UNC exists, I
start the script with:

 

rem Setup IPC$

net use \\Server /USER:user_name password

 

But I get an error in the log:

"A specified logon session does not exist. It may already have been
terminated."

 

Any ideas, obviously this works at the cli, just not when the job is run
as scheduled.

 

Thanks!
jlc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: test...sorry..

[Daniel Rodriguez]

Don't B Flat... B Sharp!!!

And if you can't B Sharp, B Natural!

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Chyka, Robert  wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: SQL Agent Job issue

[Joseph L. Casale]

That's why I only setup an IPC connection, so that a unc is then valid.

It works from the cli, just not the scheduled task. Rather than change the user 
to the one the scheduled task runs as, I am hoping to use this specific user.

jlc

From: Richard Stovall [mailto:richard.stov...@researchdata.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SQL Agent Job issue

I guess that was possibly a dumb question.  If you use UNC paths you'd have to 
re-authenticate for every command that uses one, huh?

From: Richard Stovall [mailto:richard.stov...@researchdata.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SQL Agent Job issue

Why are you mapping a drive?  Do the rest of your batch file commands not 
support UNC paths?

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SQL Agent Job issue

Use domain\user for the username?
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Joseph L. Casale 
mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com>> wrote:
I have a job defined with several steps, one is a batch file that maps a drive 
on a Samba server. To setup the IPC session so the UNC exists, I start the 
script with:

rem Setup IPC$
net use \\Server /USER:user_name password

But I get an error in the log:
"A specified logon session does not exist. It may already have been terminated."

Any ideas, obviously this works at the cli, just not when the job is run as 
scheduled.

Thanks!
jlc






















~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: A poke in the eye for cloud computing?

[C.E. Gene Connor]

To answer both your questions etc. Please click on the embedded links for a
lot more info.

 

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From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:s...@sunbelt-software.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 5:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: A poke in the eye for cloud computing?

 

Interesting:

There is no official word on the death of the Sidekick from Microsoft or
Tmobile, but it certainly looks bleak for the iconic device.

This week, Microsoft announced that they had lost all Sidekick user data
including pictures, contacts, calendars and other information from the
Danger's servers. Since the devices sync with the servers, the devices also
lost the data. The Sidekick data services had amazingly been out over a
week.

>From what they say, after a week of investigation, there is no way to
retrieve the user data. Customers will have to start over. The word on the
street is that it was a Hitachi SAN upgrade failure.

 

Warm regards,


Stu Sjouwerman
Founder, VP Marketing.
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From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:54 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: A poke in the eye for cloud computing?

I've got to assume this is a Danger failing, and not a Microsoft failing.
When did Microsoft acquire Danger?

--
ME2



On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Ben Scott  wrote:

 Seems more like a poke in the eye for Microsoft.  How the heck do
you loose an entire server cluster??

-- Ben


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RE: mail server DR ?

[Jay Dale]

Too expensive for what he's looking for.

 

Jay

 

From: Clayton Doige [mailto:clayton.do...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: mail server DR ?

 

Double Take - will have you up in running in 5 minutes

2009/10/13 Davies,Matt 

Maybe I'm missing the point here, but 45 minute downtime can be
achieved, but how many minutes/hours of data are you prepared to lose ?
Given that money is a problem so some form of asyn replication is used.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: wjh [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
Sent: 13 October 2009 14:38
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: mail server DR ?

Hi all,

So the VP of one of our clients wants to be able to guarantee a 45
minute window of downtime if there is a critical failure of their mail
server.  They are using exchange 2003 enterprise in standalone on a HP
DL360 with a StorageWorks connected by scsi.  The mdbdata folder is
450GB.  This is for less than 200 users.  They currently have no
retention policy and no limit on mailbox sizes.  They have 100 users
with blackberries on a BES 5.0 server.  Very important that BBs stay
workable.

Backup Exec does incremental to disk and fulls to tape(LTO4) for offsite
storage.  They have a  metro Ethernet connection providing a 100 meg
connection to the internet at a data center.

What would you consider a reasonable solution for DR within 45 minutes?
They supposedly had no money for projects/capital expenditures remaining
this year, but then he asked for this.

Thanks for any thoughts/advice.

Bill

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Re: mail server DR ?

[Clayton Doige]

ask him how much it will cost to be down for more than 45 miutes ;-)

2009/10/13 Jay Dale 

>  Too expensive for what he’s looking for.
>
>
>
> Jay
>
>
>
> *From:* Clayton Doige [mailto:clayton.do...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:11 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: mail server DR ?
>
>
>
> Double Take - will have you up in running in 5 minutes
>
> 2009/10/13 Davies,Matt 
>
> Maybe I'm missing the point here, but 45 minute downtime can be achieved,
> but how many minutes/hours of data are you prepared to lose ? Given that
> money is a problem so some form of asyn replication is used.
>
> Matt
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wjh [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
> Sent: 13 October 2009 14:38
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: mail server DR ?
>
> Hi all,
>
> So the VP of one of our clients wants to be able to guarantee a 45
> minute window of downtime if there is a critical failure of their mail
> server.  They are using exchange 2003 enterprise in standalone on a HP
> DL360 with a StorageWorks connected by scsi.  The mdbdata folder is
> 450GB.  This is for less than 200 users.  They currently have no
> retention policy and no limit on mailbox sizes.  They have 100 users
> with blackberries on a BES 5.0 server.  Very important that BBs stay
> workable.
>
> Backup Exec does incremental to disk and fulls to tape(LTO4) for offsite
> storage.  They have a  metro Ethernet connection providing a 100 meg
> connection to the internet at a data center.
>
> What would you consider a reasonable solution for DR within 45 minutes?
> They supposedly had no money for projects/capital expenditures remaining
> this year, but then he asked for this.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts/advice.
>
> Bill
>
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RE: SQL Agent Job issue

[Joseph L. Casale]

Sh!t,
You may have been right :)
I think the error was misleading, I checked the logs for errors specific to 
this server and surprise, it was still trying to auth against AD even though 
Samba is set up to auth to AD first then local unix accounts.
Whatever the reason for it working as expected at the cli during an interactive 
session and not through the scheduled task is a mystery, but I added the 
ServerName\ to the username and rescheduled it to now and it worked...

Thanks Jonathan!
jlc

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SQL Agent Job issue

Use domain\user for the username?
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Joseph L. Casale 
mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com>> wrote:
I have a job defined with several steps, one is a batch file that maps a drive 
on a Samba server. To setup the IPC session so the UNC exists, I start the 
script with:

rem Setup IPC$
net use \\Server /USER:user_name password

But I get an error in the log:
"A specified logon session does not exist. It may already have been terminated."

Any ideas, obviously this works at the cli, just not when the job is run as 
scheduled.

Thanks!
jlc










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Re: mail server DR ?

[John Cook]

Or 45 hours while he's waiting on replacement hardware..
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud


From: Clayton Doige
To: NT System Admin Issues
Sent: Tue Oct 13 11:18:01 2009
Subject: Re: mail server DR ?

ask him how much it will cost to be down for more than 45 miutes ;-)

2009/10/13 Jay Dale mailto:jd...@xpresstel.com>>
Too expensive for what he���s looking for.

Jay

From: Clayton Doige 
[mailto:clayton.do...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: mail server DR ?

Double Take - will have you up in running in 5 minutes
2009/10/13 Davies,Matt 
mailto:mdav...@generalatlantic.com>>
Maybe I'm missing the point here, but 45 minute downtime can be achieved, but 
how many minutes/hours of data are you prepared to lose ? Given that money is a 
problem so some form of asyn replication is used.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: wjh [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
Sent: 13 October 2009 14:38
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: mail server DR ?

Hi all,

So the VP of one of our clients wants to be able to guarantee a 45
minute window of downtime if there is a critical failure of their mail
server.  They are using exchange 2003 enterprise in standalone on a HP
DL360 with a StorageWorks connected by scsi.  The mdbdata folder is
450GB.  This is for less than 200 users.  They currently have no
retention policy and no limit on mailbox sizes.  They have 100 users
with blackberries on a BES 5.0 server.  Very important that BBs stay
workable.

Backup Exec does incremental to disk and fulls to tape(LTO4) for offsite
storage.  They have a  metro Ethernet connection providing a 100 meg
connection to the internet at a data center.

What would you consider a reasonable solution for DR within 45 minutes?
They supposedly had no money for projects/capital expenditures remaining
this year, but then he asked for this.

Thanks for any thoughts/advice.

Bill

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RE: mail server DR ?

[Sam Cayze]

Perhaps a hosted email continuity system?
Like these:
 
http://www.globalrelay.com/continuity.aspx
http://www.microsoft.com/online/exchange-hosted-services/continuity.mspx
http://www.messageone.com/email-continuity/
 

 

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Subject: Re: mail server DR ?



Or 45 hours while he's waiting on replacement hardware.. 
John W. Cook 
Systems Administrator 
Partnership For Strong Families 
Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud



From: Clayton Doige 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Tue Oct 13 11:18:01 2009
Subject: Re: mail server DR ? 


ask him how much it will cost to be down for more than 45 miutes ;-)


2009/10/13 Jay Dale 


Too expensive for what hs looking for.

 

Jay

 

From: Clayton Doige [mailto:clayton.do...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: mail server DR ?

 

Double Take - will have you up in running in 5 minutes

2009/10/13 Davies,Matt 

Maybe I'm missing the point here, but 45 minute downtime can be
achieved, but how many minutes/hours of data are you prepared to lose ?
Given that money is a problem so some form of asyn replication is used.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: wjh [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
Sent: 13 October 2009 14:38
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: mail server DR ?

Hi all,

So the VP of one of our clients wants to be able to guarantee a
45
minute window of downtime if there is a critical failure of
their mail
server.  They are using exchange 2003 enterprise in standalone
on a HP
DL360 with a StorageWorks connected by scsi.  The mdbdata folder
is
450GB.  This is for less than 200 users.  They currently have no
retention policy and no limit on mailbox sizes.  They have 100
users
with blackberries on a BES 5.0 server.  Very important that BBs
stay
workable.

Backup Exec does incremental to disk and fulls to tape(LTO4) for
offsite
storage.  They have a  metro Ethernet connection providing a 100
meg
connection to the internet at a data center.

What would you consider a reasonable solution for DR within 45
minutes?
They supposedly had no money for projects/capital expenditures
remaining
this year, but then he asked for this.

Thanks for any thoughts/advice.

Bill

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RE: mail server DR ?

[Jay Dale]

That's the rub...J

 

From: Clayton Doige [mailto:clayton.do...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: mail server DR ?

 

ask him how much it will cost to be down for more than 45 miutes ;-)

2009/10/13 Jay Dale 

Too expensive for what he's looking for.

 

Jay

 

From: Clayton Doige [mailto:clayton.do...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: mail server DR ?

 

Double Take - will have you up in running in 5 minutes

2009/10/13 Davies,Matt 

Maybe I'm missing the point here, but 45 minute downtime can be
achieved, but how many minutes/hours of data are you prepared to lose ?
Given that money is a problem so some form of asyn replication is used.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: wjh [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
Sent: 13 October 2009 14:38
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: mail server DR ?

Hi all,

So the VP of one of our clients wants to be able to guarantee a 45
minute window of downtime if there is a critical failure of their mail
server.  They are using exchange 2003 enterprise in standalone on a HP
DL360 with a StorageWorks connected by scsi.  The mdbdata folder is
450GB.  This is for less than 200 users.  They currently have no
retention policy and no limit on mailbox sizes.  They have 100 users
with blackberries on a BES 5.0 server.  Very important that BBs stay
workable.

Backup Exec does incremental to disk and fulls to tape(LTO4) for offsite
storage.  They have a  metro Ethernet connection providing a 100 meg
connection to the internet at a data center.

What would you consider a reasonable solution for DR within 45 minutes?
They supposedly had no money for projects/capital expenditures remaining
this year, but then he asked for this.

Thanks for any thoughts/advice.

Bill

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Re: test...sorry..

[Andrew Levicki]

I didn't receive this test, please resend.

2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert 

>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: test...sorry..

[Daniel Rodriguez]

If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue House is on
the left side, then where us the White House?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki wrote:

> I didn't receive this test, please resend.
>
> 2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert 
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: test...sorry..

[John Aldrich]

Washington, DC! J

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: test...sorry..

 

If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue House is on 
the left side, then where us the White House?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki  wrote:

I didn't receive this test, please resend.

2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: test...sorry..

[Kim Longenbaugh]

Where ever they host the Nobel prizes.

 



From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: test...sorry..

 

If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue House
is on the left side, then where us the White House?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki 
wrote:

I didn't receive this test, please resend.

2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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~   ~

Re: test...sorry..

[Andrew Levicki]

Are we veering back to politics?

2009/10/13 Kim Longenbaugh 

>  Where ever they host the Nobel prizes.
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: test...sorry..
>
>
>
> If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue House is
> on the left side, then where us the White House?
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki 
> wrote:
>
> I didn't receive this test, please resend.
>
> 2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: test...sorry..

[Kim Longenbaugh]

What?  Who, me?  Perish the thought!

 



From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:54 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: test...sorry..

 

Are we veering back to politics?

2009/10/13 Kim Longenbaugh 

Where ever they host the Nobel prizes.

 



From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: test...sorry..

 

If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue House
is on the left side, then where us the White House?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki 
wrote:

I didn't receive this test, please resend.

2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: test...sorry..

[RichardMcClary]

Hey, it was said this was a test...

Andrew Levicki  wrote on 10/13/2009 10:54:17 AM:

> Are we veering back to politics?

> 2009/10/13 Kim Longenbaugh 
> Where ever they host the Nobel prizes.
>  
> 
> From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: test...sorry..
>  
> If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue 
> House is on the left side, then where us the White House?
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki  
wrote:
> I didn't receive this test, please resend.
> 2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert 
>  
>  
>  
>  
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>  
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Re: SQL Agent Job issue

[Jonathan Link]

Let's face it, samba is nice, but it's like fitting a square peg in a nice
round hole.  There are bound to be gaps.  Explicit enumeration in a mixed
environment is always a good thing, especially when it comes to
authentication.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Joseph L. Casale <
jcas...@activenetwerx.com> wrote:

>  Sh!t,
> You may have been right J
> I think the error was misleading, I checked the logs for errors specific to
> this server and surprise, it was still trying to auth against AD even though
> Samba is set up to auth to AD first then local unix accounts.
>
> Whatever the reason for it working as expected at the cli during an
> interactive session and not through the scheduled task is a mystery, but I
> added the ServerName\ to the username and rescheduled it to now and it
> worked…
>
>
>
> Thanks Jonathan!
> jlc
>
>
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:28 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: SQL Agent Job issue
>
>
>
> Use domain\user for the username?
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Joseph L. Casale <
> jcas...@activenetwerx.com> wrote:
>
> I have a job defined with several steps, one is a batch file that maps a
> drive on a Samba server. To setup the IPC session so the UNC exists, I start
> the script with:
>
>
>
> rem Setup IPC$
>
> net use \\Server /USER:user_name password
>
>
>
> But I get an error in the log:
>
> “A specified logon session does not exist. It may already have been
> terminated.”
>
>
>
> Any ideas, obviously this works at the cli, just not when the job is run as
> scheduled.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
> jlc
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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~   ~

Re: test...sorry..

[Jonathan Link]

Epic fail.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:17 PM,  wrote:

>
> Hey, it was said this was a test...
>
> Andrew Levicki  wrote on 10/13/2009 10:54:17 AM:
>
> > Are we veering back to politics?
>
> > 2009/10/13 Kim Longenbaugh 
> > Where ever they host the Nobel prizes.
> >
> >
> > From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM
> >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: test...sorry..
> >
> > If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue
> > House is on the left side, then where us the White House?
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki 
> wrote:
> > I didn't receive this test, please resend.
> > 2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert 
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Re: test...sorry..

[Andrew Levicki]

I wonder when we will get the results of the test..?

2009/10/13 

>
> Hey, it was said this was a test...
>
> Andrew Levicki  wrote on 10/13/2009 10:54:17 AM:
>
> > Are we veering back to politics?
>
> > 2009/10/13 Kim Longenbaugh 
> > Where ever they host the Nobel prizes.
> >
> >
> > From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM
> >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: test...sorry..
> >
> > If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue
> > House is on the left side, then where us the White House?
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki 
> wrote:
> > I didn't receive this test, please resend.
> > 2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert 
> >
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Re: test...sorry..

[Daniel Rodriguez]

Ok.. something harder...


You are in a one room house. There are two windows on each of the four walls
of this house. No matter which window you look out of you will always be
facing south. Why?

Bonus: A bear walks by. What is the color of the bear?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Andrew Levicki wrote:

> I wonder when we will get the results of the test..?
>
> 2009/10/13 
>
>
>> Hey, it was said this was a test...
>>
>> Andrew Levicki  wrote on 10/13/2009 10:54:17 AM:
>>
>> > Are we veering back to politics?
>>
>> > 2009/10/13 Kim Longenbaugh 
>> > Where ever they host the Nobel prizes.
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM
>> >
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: Re: test...sorry..
>> >
>> > If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue
>> > House is on the left side, then where us the White House?
>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki 
>> wrote:
>> > I didn't receive this test, please resend.
>> > 2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert 
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Re: test...sorry..

[Steven Peck]

You are on the north pole and it's a polar bear.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Daniel Rodriguez  wrote:
> Ok.. something harder...
>
>
> You are in a one room house. There are two windows on each of the four walls
> of this house. No matter which window you look out of you will always be
> facing south. Why?
>
> Bonus: A bear walks by. What is the color of the bear?
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Andrew Levicki 
> wrote:
>>
>> I wonder when we will get the results of the test..?
>>
>> 2009/10/13 
>>>
>>> Hey, it was said this was a test...
>>>
>>> Andrew Levicki  wrote on 10/13/2009 10:54:17 AM:
>>>
>>> > Are we veering back to politics?
>>>
>>> > 2009/10/13 Kim Longenbaugh 
>>> > Where ever they host the Nobel prizes.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM
>>> >
>>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> > Subject: Re: test...sorry..
>>> >
>>> > If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue
>>> > House is on the left side, then where us the White House?
>>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki 
>>> > wrote:
>>> > I didn't receive this test, please resend.
>>> > 2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert 
>>> >
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~   ~

Re: test...sorry..

[Steve Ens]

Bear appears white, but the hair is actually clear...

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Daniel Rodriguez wrote:

> Ok.. something harder...
>
>
> You are in a one room house. There are two windows on each of the four
> walls of this house. No matter which window you look out of you will always
> be facing south. Why?
>
> Bonus: A bear walks by. What is the color of the bear?
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Andrew Levicki wrote:
>
>> I wonder when we will get the results of the test..?
>>
>> 2009/10/13 
>>
>>
>>> Hey, it was said this was a test...
>>>
>>> Andrew Levicki  wrote on 10/13/2009 10:54:17 AM:
>>>
>>> > Are we veering back to politics?
>>>
>>> > 2009/10/13 Kim Longenbaugh 
>>> > Where ever they host the Nobel prizes.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM
>>> >
>>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> > Subject: Re: test...sorry..
>>> >
>>> > If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue
>>> > House is on the left side, then where us the White House?
>>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki 
>>> wrote:
>>> > I didn't receive this test, please resend.
>>> > 2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert 
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~   ~

Re: 128bit OS?

[Steven Peck]

I've read a few that also indicate the LinkedIn profile is bogus and
no such person exists.

Rumor is awesome.  Don't tell anyone but I heard.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
> Microsoft is not likely to release a mainstream 128-bit OS before they stop
> selling 32-bit OSes.   We still have a decent way to go with 64-bit OSes,
> particularly at the desktop level.
>
> That info (which I also saw) is nothing better than an unsubstantiated
> glimmer of a rumor.
>
> ASB (My XeeSM Profile)
> Providing Competitive Advantage through Effective IT Leadership
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:47 AM, David W. McSpadden  wrote:
>>
>> I have read two different articles.  One says Windows 8 will be 128 bit
>> and the other says there is no such thing??
>> I want to trust the Internet but it is confusing me.
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: test...sorry..

[John Aldrich]

Simple – you’re at the North Pole (Magnetic, that is!)

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: test...sorry..

 

Ok.. something harder...


You are in a one room house. There are two windows on each of the four walls of 
this house. No matter which window you look out of you will always be facing 
south. Why?

Bonus: A bear walks by. What is the color of the bear?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Andrew Levicki  wrote:

I wonder when we will get the results of the test..?

2009/10/13 

 


Hey, it was said this was a test... 

Andrew Levicki  wrote on 10/13/2009 10:54:17 AM:



> Are we veering back to politics?


> 2009/10/13 Kim Longenbaugh  
> Where ever they host the Nobel prizes. 
>   
> 
> From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM 
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: test...sorry.. 
>   
> If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue 
> House is on the left side, then where us the White House? 
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki  
> wrote: 
> I didn't receive this test, please resend. 
> 2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert  
>   
>   
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Re: test...sorry..

[RichardMcClary]

The hair could appear to be brown if the seal poured that bottle of Coke 
all over the bear...

Steve Ens  wrote on 10/13/2009 11:38:51 AM:

> Bear appears white, but the hair is actually clear...

> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Daniel Rodriguez  
wrote:
> Ok.. something harder...
> 
> 
> You are in a one room house. There are two windows on each of the 
> four walls of this house. No matter which window you look out of you
> will always be facing south. Why?
> 
> Bonus: A bear walks by. What is the color of the bear? 
> 

> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Andrew Levicki  
wrote:
> I wonder when we will get the results of the test..?

> 2009/10/13  
> 
> 
> Hey, it was said this was a test... 
> 
> Andrew Levicki  wrote on 10/13/2009 10:54:17 AM: 
> 
> 
> > Are we veering back to politics?
> 
> > 2009/10/13 Kim Longenbaugh  
> > Where ever they host the Nobel prizes. 
> >   
> > 
> > From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM 
> > 
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: test...sorry.. 
> >   
> > If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue 
> > House is on the left side, then where us the White House? 
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki  > wrote: 
> > I didn't receive this test, please resend. 
> > 2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert  
> >   
> >   
> >   
> >   
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> >   
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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: mail server DR ?

[wjh]

Yeah, I think he believes it is just a matter of having a server in cold 
storage.  And I don't think he knows we are talking about 450 gigs of data.

Bill

Jay Dale wrote:
> 
>
> That's the rub...J
>
> *From:* Clayton Doige [mailto:clayton.do...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:18 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: mail server DR ?
>
> ask him how much it will cost to be down for more than 45 miutes ;-)
>
> 2009/10/13 Jay Dale mailto:jd...@xpresstel.com>>
>
> Too expensive for what he's looking for.
>
> Jay
>
> *From:* Clayton Doige [mailto:clayton.do...@gmail.com 
> ]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:11 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: mail server DR ?
>
> Double Take - will have you up in running in 5 minutes
>
> 2009/10/13 Davies,Matt  >
>
> Maybe I'm missing the point here, but 45 minute downtime can be 
> achieved, but how many minutes/hours of data are you prepared to lose 
> ? Given that money is a problem so some form of asyn replication is used.
>
> Matt
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wjh [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com ]
> Sent: 13 October 2009 14:38
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: mail server DR ?
>
> Hi all,
>
> So the VP of one of our clients wants to be able to guarantee a 45
> minute window of downtime if there is a critical failure of their mail
> server.  They are using exchange 2003 enterprise in standalone on a HP
> DL360 with a StorageWorks connected by scsi.  The mdbdata folder is
> 450GB.  This is for less than 200 users.  They currently have no
> retention policy and no limit on mailbox sizes.  They have 100 users
> with blackberries on a BES 5.0 server.  Very important that BBs stay
> workable.
>
> Backup Exec does incremental to disk and fulls to tape(LTO4) for offsite
> storage.  They have a  metro Ethernet connection providing a 100 meg
> connection to the internet at a data center.
>
> What would you consider a reasonable solution for DR within 45 minutes?
> They supposedly had no money for projects/capital expenditures remaining
> this year, but then he asked for this.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts/advice.
>
> Bill
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>
> _
> This e-mail (including all attachments) is confidential and may be 
> privileged.
> It is for the exclusive use of the addressee only. If you are not the 
> addressee,
>  you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication 
> is strictly
> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please 
> erase all
> copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately at
> h...@generalatlantic.com  . Thank You.
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> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Regards,
>
> Clayton
> clay...@alsipius.com 
> http://alsipius.com 
>
>  
>
>  
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Regards,
>
> Clayton
> clay...@alsipius.com 
> http://alsipius.com
>
>  
>
>  


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: test...sorry..

[Steve Ens]

Often the hair is red after it eats the seal.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:

>
> The hair could appear to be brown if the seal poured that bottle of Coke
> all over the bear...
>
> Steve Ens  wrote on 10/13/2009 11:38:51 AM:
>
> > Bear appears white, but the hair is actually clear...
>
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Daniel Rodriguez 
> wrote:
>  > Ok.. something harder...
> >
> >
> > You are in a one room house. There are two windows on each of the
> > four walls of this house. No matter which window you look out of you
> > will always be facing south. Why?
> >
> > Bonus: A bear walks by. What is the color of the bear?
> >
>
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Andrew Levicki 
> wrote:
> > I wonder when we will get the results of the test..?
>
> > 2009/10/13 
> >
> >
> > Hey, it was said this was a test...
> >
> > Andrew Levicki  wrote on 10/13/2009 10:54:17 AM:
> >
> >
> > > Are we veering back to politics?
> >
> > > 2009/10/13 Kim Longenbaugh 
> > > Where ever they host the Nobel prizes.
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM
> > >
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: Re: test...sorry..
> > >
> > > If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue
> > > House is on the left side, then where us the White House?
> > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki  > > wrote:
> > > I didn't receive this test, please resend.
> > > 2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert 
> > >
> > >
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~   ~

RE: mail server DR ?

[Charlie Kaiser]

When we lay out similar scenarios and costs for our clients (especially the
smaller ones), it's funny how their recovery window changes from minutes to
weeks... LOL...

***
Charlie Kaiser
charl...@golden-eagle.org
Kingman, AZ
***  

> -Original Message-
> From: wjh [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:43 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: mail server DR ?
> 
> Yeah, I think he believes it is just a matter of having a 
> server in cold storage.  And I don't think he knows we are 
> talking about 450 gigs of data.
> 
> Bill
> 
> Jay Dale wrote: 
> 
>   That's the rub.J
> 
>
> 
>   From: Clayton Doige [mailto:clayton.do...@gmail.com] 
>   Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:18 AM
>   To: NT System Admin Issues
>   Subject: Re: mail server DR ?
> 
>
> 
>   ask him how much it will cost to be down for more than 
> 45 miutes ;-)
> 
>   2009/10/13 Jay Dale 
> 
>   Too expensive for what he's looking for.
> 
>
> 
>   Jay
> 
>
> 
>   From: Clayton Doige [mailto:clayton.do...@gmail.com] 
>   Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:11 AM
>   To: NT System Admin Issues
>   Subject: Re: mail server DR ?
> 
>
> 
>   Double Take - will have you up in running in 5 minutes
> 
>   2009/10/13 Davies,Matt 
> 
>   Maybe I'm missing the point here, but 45 minute 
> downtime can be achieved, but how many minutes/hours of data 
> are you prepared to lose ? Given that money is a problem so 
> some form of asyn replication is used.
>   
>   Matt
>   
>   -Original Message-
>   From: wjh [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
>   Sent: 13 October 2009 14:38
>   To: NT System Admin Issues
>   Subject: mail server DR ?
>   
>   Hi all,
>   
>   So the VP of one of our clients wants to be able to 
> guarantee a 45
>   minute window of downtime if there is a critical 
> failure of their mail
>   server.  They are using exchange 2003 enterprise in 
> standalone on a HP
>   DL360 with a StorageWorks connected by scsi.  The 
> mdbdata folder is
>   450GB.  This is for less than 200 users.  They currently have no
>   retention policy and no limit on mailbox sizes.  They 
> have 100 users
>   with blackberries on a BES 5.0 server.  Very important 
> that BBs stay
>   workable.
>   
>   Backup Exec does incremental to disk and fulls to 
> tape(LTO4) for offsite
>   storage.  They have a  metro Ethernet connection 
> providing a 100 meg
>   connection to the internet at a data center.
>   
>   What would you consider a reasonable solution for DR 
> within 45 minutes?
>   They supposedly had no money for projects/capital 
> expenditures remaining
>   this year, but then he asked for this.
>   
>   Thanks for any thoughts/advice.
>   
>   Bill
>   
>   ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a 
> resource hog! ~
>   ~   ~
>   
>   
>   _
>   This e-mail (including all attachments) is confidential 
> and may be privileged.
>   It is for the exclusive use of the addressee only. If 
> you are not the addressee,
>you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this 
> communication is strictly
>   prohibited. If you have received this communication in 
> error, please erase all
>   copies of the message and its attachments and notify us 
> immediately at
>   h...@generalatlantic.com . Thank You.
>   
>   ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a 
> resource hog! ~
>   ~   ~
> 
>   
>   
>   
> 
>   
>   -- 
>   Regards,
>   
>   Clayton
>   clay...@alsipius.com
>   http://alsipius.com  
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>   
>   
>   
> 
>   
>   -- 
>   Regards,
>   
>   Clayton
>   clay...@alsipius.com
>   http://alsipius.com
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>   
> 
>
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: mail server DR ?

[Jon Harris]

Management that is not IT rarely thinks of the data only the machine.
Virtualization would make this easier and workable.  Getting the money to do
it right will be a hard sell but in the long run it will pay for itself in
that (depending on how and what software is used to do the virtualization)
you can do more later than now.  Since it is a VP give them a pitch
explaining that and see if they bite and want more information.

Jon

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:43 PM, wjh  wrote:

> Yeah, I think he believes it is just a matter of having a server in cold
> storage.  And I don't think he knows we are talking about 450 gigs of data.
>
> Bill
>
>
> Jay Dale wrote:
>
>  That’s the rub…J
>
>
>
> *From:* Clayton Doige 
> [mailto:clayton.do...@gmail.com]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:18 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: mail server DR ?
>
>
>
> ask him how much it will cost to be down for more than 45 miutes ;-)
>
> 2009/10/13 Jay Dale 
>
> Too expensive for what he’s looking for.
>
>
>
> Jay
>
>
>
> *From:* Clayton Doige [mailto:clayton.do...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:11 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: mail server DR ?
>
>
>
> Double Take - will have you up in running in 5 minutes
>
> 2009/10/13 Davies,Matt 
>
> Maybe I'm missing the point here, but 45 minute downtime can be achieved,
> but how many minutes/hours of data are you prepared to lose ? Given that
> money is a problem so some form of asyn replication is used.
>
> Matt
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wjh [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
> Sent: 13 October 2009 14:38
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: mail server DR ?
>
> Hi all,
>
> So the VP of one of our clients wants to be able to guarantee a 45
> minute window of downtime if there is a critical failure of their mail
> server.  They are using exchange 2003 enterprise in standalone on a HP
> DL360 with a StorageWorks connected by scsi.  The mdbdata folder is
> 450GB.  This is for less than 200 users.  They currently have no
> retention policy and no limit on mailbox sizes.  They have 100 users
> with blackberries on a BES 5.0 server.  Very important that BBs stay
> workable.
>
> Backup Exec does incremental to disk and fulls to tape(LTO4) for offsite
> storage.  They have a  metro Ethernet connection providing a 100 meg
> connection to the internet at a data center.
>
> What would you consider a reasonable solution for DR within 45 minutes?
> They supposedly had no money for projects/capital expenditures remaining
> this year, but then he asked for this.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts/advice.
>
> Bill
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>
> _
> This e-mail (including all attachments) is confidential and may be
> privileged.
> It is for the exclusive use of the addressee only. If you are not the
> addressee,
>  you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is
> strictly
> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase
> all
> copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately at
> h...@generalatlantic.com . Thank You.
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Clayton
> clay...@alsipius.com
> http://alsipius.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Clayton
> clay...@alsipius.com
> http://alsipius.com
>
>
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RE: test...sorry..

[Jay Dale]

I thought a polar bear's fur was actually dark at the root

 

From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: test...sorry..

 

Often the hair is red after it eats the seal.  

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:


The hair could appear to be brown if the seal poured that bottle of Coke
all over the bear... 

Steve Ens  wrote on 10/13/2009 11:38:51 AM: 



> Bear appears white, but the hair is actually clear...


> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Daniel Rodriguez 
wrote: 

> Ok.. something harder...
> 
> 
> You are in a one room house. There are two windows on each of the 
> four walls of this house. No matter which window you look out of you
> will always be facing south. Why?
> 
> Bonus: A bear walks by. What is the color of the bear? 
> 

> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Andrew Levicki
 wrote: 
> I wonder when we will get the results of the test...?

> 2009/10/13  
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> 
> Hey, it was said this was a test... 
> 
> Andrew Levicki  wrote on 10/13/2009 10:54:17 AM:

> 
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> > Are we veering back to politics? 
> 
> > 2009/10/13 Kim Longenbaugh  
> > Where ever they host the Nobel prizes. 
> >   
> > 
> > From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM 
> > 
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: test...sorry.. 
> >   
> > If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue 
> > House is on the left side, then where us the White House? 
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki
 > wrote: 
> > I didn't receive this test, please resend.. 
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Re: mail server DR ?

[Jon Harris]

All to true, but it if you don't make the pitch then you can't get the extra
work.

Jon

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Charlie Kaiser
wrote:

> When we lay out similar scenarios and costs for our clients (especially the
> smaller ones), it's funny how their recovery window changes from minutes to
> weeks... LOL...
>
> ***
> Charlie Kaiser
> charl...@golden-eagle.org
> Kingman, AZ
> ***
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wjh [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
>  > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:43 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: mail server DR ?
> >
> > Yeah, I think he believes it is just a matter of having a
> > server in cold storage.  And I don't think he knows we are
> > talking about 450 gigs of data.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > Jay Dale wrote:
> >
> >   That's the rub.J
> >
> >
> >
> >   From: Clayton Doige [mailto:clayton.do...@gmail.com]
> >   Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:18 AM
> >   To: NT System Admin Issues
> >   Subject: Re: mail server DR ?
> >
> >
> >
> >   ask him how much it will cost to be down for more than
> > 45 miutes ;-)
> >
> >   2009/10/13 Jay Dale 
> >
> >   Too expensive for what he's looking for.
> >
> >
> >
> >   Jay
> >
> >
> >
> >   From: Clayton Doige [mailto:clayton.do...@gmail.com]
> >   Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:11 AM
> >   To: NT System Admin Issues
> >   Subject: Re: mail server DR ?
> >
> >
> >
> >   Double Take - will have you up in running in 5 minutes
> >
> >   2009/10/13 Davies,Matt 
> >
> >   Maybe I'm missing the point here, but 45 minute
> > downtime can be achieved, but how many minutes/hours of data
> > are you prepared to lose ? Given that money is a problem so
> > some form of asyn replication is used.
> >
> >   Matt
> >
> >   -Original Message-
> >   From: wjh [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
> >   Sent: 13 October 2009 14:38
> >   To: NT System Admin Issues
> >   Subject: mail server DR ?
> >
> >   Hi all,
> >
> >   So the VP of one of our clients wants to be able to
> > guarantee a 45
> >   minute window of downtime if there is a critical
> > failure of their mail
> >   server.  They are using exchange 2003 enterprise in
> > standalone on a HP
> >   DL360 with a StorageWorks connected by scsi.  The
> > mdbdata folder is
> >   450GB.  This is for less than 200 users.  They currently have no
> >   retention policy and no limit on mailbox sizes.  They
> > have 100 users
> >   with blackberries on a BES 5.0 server.  Very important
> > that BBs stay
> >   workable.
> >
> >   Backup Exec does incremental to disk and fulls to
> > tape(LTO4) for offsite
> >   storage.  They have a  metro Ethernet connection
> > providing a 100 meg
> >   connection to the internet at a data center.
> >
> >   What would you consider a reasonable solution for DR
> > within 45 minutes?
> >   They supposedly had no money for projects/capital
> > expenditures remaining
> >   this year, but then he asked for this.
> >
> >   Thanks for any thoughts/advice.
> >
> >   Bill
> >
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Re: mail server DR ?

[John Cook]

Mail archiving and mailbox limits are amazing tools.
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud


From: wjh
To: NT System Admin Issues
Sent: Tue Oct 13 12:43:00 2009
Subject: Re: mail server DR ?

Yeah, I think he believes it is just a matter of having a server in cold 
storage.  And I don't think he knows we are talking about 450 gigs of data.

Bill

Jay Dale wrote:
Th�s the r

From: Clayton Doige [mailto:clayton.do...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: mail server DR ?

ask him how much it will cost to be down for more than 45 miutes ;-)
2009/10/13 Jay Dale mailto:jd...@xpresstel.com>>
Too expensive for what �s looking for.

Jay

From: Clayton Doige 
[mailto:clayton.do...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: mail server DR ?

Double Take - will have you up in running in 5 minutes
2009/10/13 Davies,Matt 
mailto:mdav...@generalatlantic.com>>
Maybe I'm missing the point here, but 45 minute downtime can be achieved, but 
how many minutes/hours of data are you prepared to lose ? Given that money is a 
problem so some form of asyn replication is used.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: wjh [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
Sent: 13 October 2009 14:38
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: mail server DR ?

Hi all,

So the VP of one of our clients wants to be able to guarantee a 45
minute window of downtime if there is a critical failure of their mail
server.  They are using exchange 2003 enterprise in standalone on a HP
DL360 with a StorageWorks connected by scsi.  The mdbdata folder is
450GB.  This is for less than 200 users.  They currently have no
retention policy and no limit on mailbox sizes.  They have 100 users
with blackberries on a BES 5.0 server.  Very important that BBs stay
workable.

Backup Exec does incremental to disk and fulls to tape(LTO4) for offsite
storage.  They have a  metro Ethernet connection providing a 100 meg
connection to the internet at a data center.

What would you consider a reasonable solution for DR within 45 minutes?
They supposedly had no money for projects/capital expenditures remaining
this year, but then he asked for this.

Thanks for any thoughts/advice.

Bill

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Re: test...sorry..

[Richard Stovall]

That's a cougar you're thinking of.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Jay Dale  wrote:
> I thought a polar bear’s fur was actually dark at the root
>
>
>
> From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:44 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: test...sorry..
>
>
>
> Often the hair is red after it eats the seal.
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:
>
> The hair could appear to be brown if the seal poured that bottle of Coke all
> over the bear...
>
> Steve Ens  wrote on 10/13/2009 11:38:51 AM:
>
>> Bear appears white, but the hair is actually clear...
>
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Daniel Rodriguez 
>> wrote:
>
>> Ok.. something harder...
>>
>>
>> You are in a one room house. There are two windows on each of the
>> four walls of this house. No matter which window you look out of you
>> will always be facing south. Why?
>>
>> Bonus: A bear walks by. What is the color of the bear?
>>
>
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Andrew Levicki 
>> wrote:
>> I wonder when we will get the results of the test...?
>
>> 2009/10/13 
>>
>>
>> Hey, it was said this was a test...
>>
>> Andrew Levicki  wrote on 10/13/2009 10:54:17 AM:
>>
>>
>> > Are we veering back to politics?
>>
>> > 2009/10/13 Kim Longenbaugh 
>> > Where ever they host the Nobel prizes.
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM
>> >
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: Re: test...sorry..
>> >
>> > If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue
>> > House is on the left side, then where us the White House?
>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki > > wrote:
>> > I didn't receive this test, please resend..
>> > 2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert 
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Re: test...sorry..

[Steve Ens]

LOL.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Richard Stovall  wrote:

> That's a cougar you're thinking of.
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Jay Dale  wrote:
> > I thought a polar bear’s fur was actually dark at the root
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:44 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: test...sorry..
> >
> >
> >
> > Often the hair is red after it eats the seal.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:
> >
> > The hair could appear to be brown if the seal poured that bottle of Coke
> all
> > over the bear...
> >
> > Steve Ens  wrote on 10/13/2009 11:38:51 AM:
> >
> >> Bear appears white, but the hair is actually clear...
> >
> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Daniel Rodriguez 
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> Ok.. something harder...
> >>
> >>
> >> You are in a one room house. There are two windows on each of the
> >> four walls of this house. No matter which window you look out of you
> >> will always be facing south. Why?
> >>
> >> Bonus: A bear walks by. What is the color of the bear?
> >>
> >
> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Andrew Levicki 
> >> wrote:
> >> I wonder when we will get the results of the test...?
> >
> >> 2009/10/13 
> >>
> >>
> >> Hey, it was said this was a test...
> >>
> >> Andrew Levicki  wrote on 10/13/2009 10:54:17 AM:
> >>
> >>
> >> > Are we veering back to politics?
> >>
> >> > 2009/10/13 Kim Longenbaugh 
> >> > Where ever they host the Nobel prizes.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM
> >> >
> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> > Subject: Re: test...sorry..
> >> >
> >> > If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue
> >> > House is on the left side, then where us the White House?
> >> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki <
> and...@levicki.me.uk
> >> > wrote:
> >> > I didn't receive this test, please resend..
> >> > 2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert 
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RE: mail server DR ?

[Charlie Kaiser]

Yep. We pitch it, but if they're not willing to spend the money, we won't
spend the time... :-) We usually let them chew on it for a bit and provide
them with some more realistic scenarios given what we know to be their
expense comfort...

***
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charl...@golden-eagle.org
Kingman, AZ
***  

> -Original Message-
> From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:50 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: mail server DR ?
> 
> All to true, but it if you don't make the pitch then you 
> can't get the extra work.
>  
> Jon
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Charlie Kaiser 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>   When we lay out similar scenarios and costs for our 
> clients (especially the
>   smaller ones), it's funny how their recovery window 
> changes from minutes to
>   weeks... LOL...
>   
> 
>   ***
>   Charlie Kaiser
>   charl...@golden-eagle.org
>   Kingman, AZ
>   ***
>   
>   
>   > -Original Message-
>   > From: wjh [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
>   
>   > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:43 AM
>   > To: NT System Admin Issues
>   > Subject: Re: mail server DR ?
>   >
>   > Yeah, I think he believes it is just a matter of having a
>   > server in cold storage.  And I don't think he knows we are
>   > talking about 450 gigs of data.
>   >
>   > Bill
>   >
>   > Jay Dale wrote:
>   >
>   >   That's the rub.J
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >   From: Clayton Doige [mailto:clayton.do...@gmail.com]
>   >   Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:18 AM
>   >   To: NT System Admin Issues
>   >   Subject: Re: mail server DR ?
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >   ask him how much it will cost to be down for more than
>   > 45 miutes ;-)
>   >
>   >   2009/10/13 Jay Dale 
>   >
>   >   Too expensive for what he's looking for.
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >   Jay
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >   From: Clayton Doige [mailto:clayton.do...@gmail.com]
>   >   Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:11 AM
>   >   To: NT System Admin Issues
>   >   Subject: Re: mail server DR ?
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >   Double Take - will have you up in running in 5 minutes
>   >
>   >   2009/10/13 Davies,Matt 
>   >
>   >   Maybe I'm missing the point here, but 45 minute
>   > downtime can be achieved, but how many minutes/hours of data
>   > are you prepared to lose ? Given that money is a problem so
>   > some form of asyn replication is used.
>   >
>   >   Matt
>   >
>   >   -Original Message-
>   >   From: wjh [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
>   >   Sent: 13 October 2009 14:38
>   >   To: NT System Admin Issues
>   >   Subject: mail server DR ?
>   >
>   >   Hi all,
>   >
>   >   So the VP of one of our clients wants to be able to
>   > guarantee a 45
>   >   minute window of downtime if there is a critical
>   > failure of their mail
>   >   server.  They are using exchange 2003 enterprise in
>   > standalone on a HP
>   >   DL360 with a StorageWorks connected by scsi.  The
>   > mdbdata folder is
>   >   450GB.  This is for less than 200 users.  They 
> currently have no
>   >   retention policy and no limit on mailbox sizes.  They
>   > have 100 users
>   >   with blackberries on a BES 5.0 server.  Very important
>   > that BBs stay
>   >   workable.
>   >
>   >   Backup Exec does incremental to disk and fulls to
>   > tape(LTO4) for offsite
>   >   storage.  They have a  metro Ethernet connection
>   > providing a 100 meg
>   >   connection to the internet at a data center.
>   >
>   >   What would you consider a reasonable solution for DR
>   > within 45 minutes?
>   >   They supposedly had no money for projects/capital
>   > expenditures remaining
>   >   this year, but then he asked for this.
>   >
>   >   Thanks for any thoughts/advice.
>   >
>   >   Bill
>   >
>   >   ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a
>   > resource hog! ~
>   >   ~ 
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Re: FSRM Quota Email Notifications user is NT Authority/System???

[Stephen Wimberly]

We restarted the server and still have the same issue:  FSRM user quota
determines the owner of a file is "NT Authority\System" yet NTFS shows the
owner of the file is the original user.  This causes the notification email
to go to a blank 'TO:' field because "NT Authority\System" has no email
address.  ALL our user accounts have email addresses though.  We have
verified many of these instances and found that in every randomly chosen
case the NTFS security differs from the Event log, which shows Event 12324;
"User NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM has exceeded the limit for the quota on
D:\DFSRoots\user\userhome\%username% on server FILE1."  Yet the NTFS owner
is %username%.

The truly odd part is that the 'error' arises in _most_ cases, but in some
cases the Event log and FSRM shows the correct username and the email goes
out just fine!  It seems though that if it's working for a single user, it
works every time; where if it's broken for a user it's broken every time a
file is saved.

What can cause the Event log to capture the wrong file owner???

TIA (Thanks In Advance!)



On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Stephen Wimberly wrote:

> We have been using the Quota system in Windows Server 2003 R2 FSRM and it's
> been working perfectly up until Thursday of this past week when we applied
> two updates via our WSUS server, "update Microsoft Silverlight 3.0.40723.0"
> and "update Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 SP1 update KB963707" and restarted.
>
> During the restart though the closest domain controller was in the process
> of restarting as well and was not responding 'correctly' and needed a hard
> reset.  The file server displayed the following error:
>
> "File Server Resource Manager failed to enumerate share paths or DFS
> paths.  Mappings from local file paths to share and DFS paths may be
> incomplete or temporarily unavailable.  FSRM will retry the operation at a
> later time."
>
> Now each time a user saves a file that they have ownership of, FSRM
> captures the 'owner' as NT AUTHORITY/SYSTEM rather than the user.  The email
> goes out, but the TO line is blank!  (NT AUTHORITY/SYSTEM has no email
> address.)  It might be helpful to know that we have configured the
> Additional Email Headers to include a few emails within the BCC line, this
> is how we were 'notified' that the emails are going out without a TO listed.
>
> NTFS Security: Looking at the files that are causing these notifications;
> the user is saving files to their home directory in most cases, the user is
> listed as the owner and the user has a valid email address in the Active
> Directory.  In most cases these are users that used to receive quota
> notifications!
>
> I am tempted to just restart the server again, but it's a production server
> that hosts some 7x24 applications and the notification period for a restart
> is 'complicated.'  If I was sure a restart would fix the issue I'd be all
> for it.
>
> I've done some searching, but I haven't found anything helpful yet.  Anyone
> seen this before???
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: mail server DR ?

[Erik Goldoff]

so 'show' him how much 450GB of data is ...

measure the thickness of a 1.44mb floppy diskette, and then figure out how
many floppies it would take to hold 450GB ( (450 x 1024)/ 1.44 ) and
multiply by that thickness ...

I did that once probably around 2001, and with much less data to back up,
and came up with a stack of floppies taller than the Westin Peachtree Plaza
Hotel in Atlanta ( 70 stories tall )

Or maybe then do the same with the thickness of a CD-ROM ... you get the
idea ...

I've found that executives prefer a 5 second visual to a 30 second
description with words and numbers

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:43 PM, wjh  wrote:

> Yeah, I think he believes it is just a matter of having a server in cold
> storage.  And I don't think he knows we are talking about 450 gigs of data.
>
> Bill
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> Jay Dale wrote:
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>  That’s the rub…J
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> *From:* Clayton Doige 
> [mailto:clayton.do...@gmail.com]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:18 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: mail server DR ?
>
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> ask him how much it will cost to be down for more than 45 miutes ;-)
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> 2009/10/13 Jay Dale 
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> Too expensive for what he’s looking for.
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> Jay
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> *From:* Clayton Doige [mailto:clayton.do...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:11 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: mail server DR ?
>
>
>
> Double Take - will have you up in running in 5 minutes
>
> 2009/10/13 Davies,Matt 
>
> Maybe I'm missing the point here, but 45 minute downtime can be achieved,
> but how many minutes/hours of data are you prepared to lose ? Given that
> money is a problem so some form of asyn replication is used.
>
> Matt
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wjh [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
> Sent: 13 October 2009 14:38
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: mail server DR ?
>
> Hi all,
>
> So the VP of one of our clients wants to be able to guarantee a 45
> minute window of downtime if there is a critical failure of their mail
> server.  They are using exchange 2003 enterprise in standalone on a HP
> DL360 with a StorageWorks connected by scsi.  The mdbdata folder is
> 450GB.  This is for less than 200 users.  They currently have no
> retention policy and no limit on mailbox sizes.  They have 100 users
> with blackberries on a BES 5.0 server.  Very important that BBs stay
> workable.
>
> Backup Exec does incremental to disk and fulls to tape(LTO4) for offsite
> storage.  They have a  metro Ethernet connection providing a 100 meg
> connection to the internet at a data center.
>
> What would you consider a reasonable solution for DR within 45 minutes?
> They supposedly had no money for projects/capital expenditures remaining
> this year, but then he asked for this.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts/advice.
>
> Bill
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Re: One Script to rule them all

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Clayton Doige 
> Important URLS I am happy to stick at the root of the users OU,  however for
> the proxy settings I would like to have the computer import a site.reg file
> at logon based on the ip range - I don't know how to do this

  FWIW, I've seen something done with a proxy auto-config script
(.PAC) that was actually a server-side script that looked at the
client's IP address and fed them different settings based on that.
One advantage to this strategy is that it's cross-platform,
cross-browser, etc.  If you're interested in this strategy, I can
speak more about PAC and WPAD (web proxy auto detect).

-- Ben

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RE: test...sorry..

[Christopher Nicholson]

Too Funny!

 

From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: test...sorry..

 

LOL.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Richard Stovall 
wrote:

That's a cougar you're thinking of.


On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Jay Dale  wrote:
> I thought a polar bear's fur was actually dark at the root
>
>
>
> From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:44 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: test...sorry..
>
>
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> Often the hair is red after it eats the seal.
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> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:
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> The hair could appear to be brown if the seal poured that bottle of
Coke all
> over the bear...
>
> Steve Ens  wrote on 10/13/2009 11:38:51 AM:
>
>> Bear appears white, but the hair is actually clear...
>
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Daniel Rodriguez

>> wrote:
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>> Ok.. something harder...
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>> You are in a one room house. There are two windows on each of the
>> four walls of this house. No matter which window you look out of you
>> will always be facing south. Why?
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>> Bonus: A bear walks by. What is the color of the bear?
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>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Andrew Levicki

>> wrote:
>> I wonder when we will get the results of the test...?
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>> 2009/10/13 
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>> Hey, it was said this was a test...
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>> Andrew Levicki  wrote on 10/13/2009 10:54:17
AM:
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>> > Are we veering back to politics?
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>> > 2009/10/13 Kim Longenbaugh 
>> > Where ever they host the Nobel prizes.
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>> > From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM
>> >
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: Re: test...sorry..
>> >
>> > If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue
>> > House is on the left side, then where us the White House?
>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki
> > wrote:
>> > I didn't receive this test, please resend..
>> > 2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert 
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Re: test...sorry..

[Jon Harris]

Ah, but what kind of cougar the 2 or 4 legged one?

Jon

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Richard Stovall  wrote:

> That's a cougar you're thinking of.
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Jay Dale  wrote:
> > I thought a polar bear’s fur was actually dark at the root
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:44 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: test...sorry..
> >
> >
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> > Often the hair is red after it eats the seal.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:
> >
> > The hair could appear to be brown if the seal poured that bottle of Coke
> all
> > over the bear...
> >
> > Steve Ens  wrote on 10/13/2009 11:38:51 AM:
> >
> >> Bear appears white, but the hair is actually clear...
> >
> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Daniel Rodriguez 
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> Ok.. something harder...
> >>
> >>
> >> You are in a one room house. There are two windows on each of the
> >> four walls of this house. No matter which window you look out of you
> >> will always be facing south. Why?
> >>
> >> Bonus: A bear walks by. What is the color of the bear?
> >>
> >
> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Andrew Levicki 
> >> wrote:
> >> I wonder when we will get the results of the test...?
> >
> >> 2009/10/13 
> >>
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> >> Hey, it was said this was a test...
> >>
> >> Andrew Levicki  wrote on 10/13/2009 10:54:17 AM:
> >>
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> >> > Are we veering back to politics?
> >>
> >> > 2009/10/13 Kim Longenbaugh 
> >> > Where ever they host the Nobel prizes.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM
> >> >
> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> > Subject: Re: test...sorry..
> >> >
> >> > If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue
> >> > House is on the left side, then where us the White House?
> >> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki <
> and...@levicki.me.uk
> >> > wrote:
> >> > I didn't receive this test, please resend..
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Re: 128bit OS?

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:47 AM, David W. McSpadden  wrote:
> I have read two different articles.  One says Windows 8 will be 128 bit and
> the other says there is no such thing??

  *sigh*  :-)

  The computers we have now aren't "32 bit" or "64 bit" in the first place.

  When we say "Windows 64-bit ", we really mean the OS kernel is
running the processor in Long Mode.  The virtual address word is 64
bits, but only 48 bits are actually implemented in the silicon;
attempting to go outside that address space faults.

  With a "32-bit operating system", the OS is operating in i386
Enhanced Protected Mode.  The virtual address word is indeed 32 bits
wide.  With modern processors, though, the physical address word can
be 36 bits wide (PAE).

  Both i386 and x86-64 support integer and floating point math in 128
bit words (SSE, etc.).

  The I/O pathways in most modern systems are still only 32 bits wide,
although some servers have 64-bit PCI slots.  PCI-Express is
fundamentally serial in nature and doesn't even work that way.

  The DEC Alpha used a 64 bit virtual address word and 64 bit physical
address word, right from the start.  There wasn't anything smaller.
But the Windows NT code at the time wasn't 64-bit clean.  Microsoft
thus crafted NT to only use addresses below the 4 GB mark.  So the OS
ran on 64-bit only hardware, and was thus a "64-bit OS", but still
couldn't address more than 4 GB of RAM.

  So a remark that an OS "will be 128 bit" is absolutely, totally
worthless without further clarification.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: mail server DR ?

[Charlie Kaiser]

Or print out all the emails in the store... :-)

***
Charlie Kaiser
charl...@golden-eagle.org
Kingman, AZ
***  

> -Original Message-
> From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:15 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: mail server DR ?
> 
> so 'show' him how much 450GB of data is ...
>  
> measure the thickness of a 1.44mb floppy diskette, and then 
> figure out how many floppies it would take to hold 450GB ( 
> (450 x 1024)/ 1.44 ) and multiply by that thickness ...
>  
> I did that once probably around 2001, and with much less data 
> to back up, and came up with a stack of floppies taller than 
> the Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel in Atlanta ( 70 stories tall )
>  
> Or maybe then do the same with the thickness of a CD-ROM ... 
> you get the idea ...
>  
> I've found that executives prefer a 5 second visual to a 30 
> second description with words and numbers
> 


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Re: mail server DR ?

[Jon Harris]

That might take a few months to complete.

Jon

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Charlie Kaiser
wrote:

> Or print out all the emails in the store... :-)
>
> ***
> Charlie Kaiser
> charl...@golden-eagle.org
> Kingman, AZ
> ***
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:15 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: mail server DR ?
> >
> > so 'show' him how much 450GB of data is ...
> >
> > measure the thickness of a 1.44mb floppy diskette, and then
> > figure out how many floppies it would take to hold 450GB (
> > (450 x 1024)/ 1.44 ) and multiply by that thickness ...
> >
> > I did that once probably around 2001, and with much less data
> > to back up, and came up with a stack of floppies taller than
> > the Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel in Atlanta ( 70 stories tall )
> >
> > Or maybe then do the same with the thickness of a CD-ROM ...
> > you get the idea ...
> >
> > I've found that executives prefer a 5 second visual to a 30
> > second description with words and numbers
> >
>
>
>  ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: test...sorry..

[Andrew Levicki]

Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of science?

2009/10/13 Jon Harris 

>
> Ah, but what kind of cougar the 2 or 4 legged one?
>
> Jon
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Richard Stovall wrote:
>
>> That's a cougar you're thinking of.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Jay Dale  wrote:
>> > I thought a polar bear’s fur was actually dark at the root
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:44 AM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: Re: test...sorry..
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Often the hair is red after it eats the seal.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:
>> >
>> > The hair could appear to be brown if the seal poured that bottle of Coke
>> all
>> > over the bear...
>> >
>> > Steve Ens  wrote on 10/13/2009 11:38:51 AM:
>> >
>> >> Bear appears white, but the hair is actually clear...
>> >
>> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Daniel Rodriguez 
>> >> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ok.. something harder...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You are in a one room house. There are two windows on each of the
>> >> four walls of this house. No matter which window you look out of you
>> >> will always be facing south. Why?
>> >>
>> >> Bonus: A bear walks by. What is the color of the bear?
>> >>
>> >
>> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Andrew Levicki > >
>> >> wrote:
>> >> I wonder when we will get the results of the test...?
>> >
>> >> 2009/10/13 
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hey, it was said this was a test...
>> >>
>> >> Andrew Levicki  wrote on 10/13/2009 10:54:17 AM:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Are we veering back to politics?
>> >>
>> >> > 2009/10/13 Kim Longenbaugh 
>> >> > Where ever they host the Nobel prizes.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM
>> >> >
>> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> >> > Subject: Re: test...sorry..
>> >> >
>> >> > If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue
>> >> > House is on the left side, then where us the White House?
>> >> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki <
>> and...@levicki.me.uk
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > I didn't receive this test, please resend..
>> >> > 2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert 
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>> ~   ~
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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: test...sorry..

[Daniel Rodriguez]

Correct!!

Another one:

You are traveling in a car going 60mph. You reach for an apple and take a
bite. You decide you don't like the apple and throw it out the driver side
window. Question: In which direction does the apple travel?



On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:

> You are on the north pole and it's a polar bear.
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Daniel Rodriguez 
> wrote:
> > Ok.. something harder...
> >
> >
> > You are in a one room house. There are two windows on each of the four
> walls
> > of this house. No matter which window you look out of you will always be
> > facing south. Why?
> >
> > Bonus: A bear walks by. What is the color of the bear?
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Andrew Levicki 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I wonder when we will get the results of the test..?
> >>
> >> 2009/10/13 
> >>>
> >>> Hey, it was said this was a test...
> >>>
> >>> Andrew Levicki  wrote on 10/13/2009 10:54:17 AM:
> >>>
> >>> > Are we veering back to politics?
> >>>
> >>> > 2009/10/13 Kim Longenbaugh 
> >>> > Where ever they host the Nobel prizes.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
> >>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM
> >>> >
> >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >>> > Subject: Re: test...sorry..
> >>> >
> >>> > If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue
> >>> > House is on the left side, then where us the White House?
> >>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki <
> and...@levicki.me.uk>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> > I didn't receive this test, please resend.
> >>> > 2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert 
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> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: mail server DR ?

[wjh]

But, I like the image

Everyday he would just walk by the printer on the way to his office and 
the printer would still be spitting out page after page, mounds of paper 
on the floor around it.

Bill

Jon Harris wrote:
> That might take a few months to complete.
> Jon
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Charlie Kaiser 
> mailto:charl...@golden-eagle.org>> wrote:
>
> Or print out all the emails in the store... :-)
>
> ***
> Charlie Kaiser
> charl...@golden-eagle.org 
> Kingman, AZ
> ***
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com
> ]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:15 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: mail server DR ?
> >
> > so 'show' him how much 450GB of data is ...
> >
> > measure the thickness of a 1.44mb floppy diskette, and then
> > figure out how many floppies it would take to hold 450GB (
> > (450 x 1024)/ 1.44 ) and multiply by that thickness ...
> >
> > I did that once probably around 2001, and with much less data
> > to back up, and came up with a stack of floppies taller than
> > the Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel in Atlanta ( 70 stories tall )
> >
> > Or maybe then do the same with the thickness of a CD-ROM ...
> > you get the idea ...
> >
> > I've found that executives prefer a 5 second visual to a 30
> > second description with words and numbers
> >
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>
>  


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: test...sorry..

[Steve Ens]

Down to the ground?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Daniel Rodriguez wrote:

> Correct!!
>
> Another one:
>
> You are traveling in a car going 60mph. You reach for an apple and take a
> bite. You decide you don't like the apple and throw it out the driver side
> window. Question: In which direction does the apple travel?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
>
>> You are on the north pole and it's a polar bear.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Daniel Rodriguez 
>> wrote:
>> > Ok.. something harder...
>> >
>> >
>> > You are in a one room house. There are two windows on each of the four
>> walls
>> > of this house. No matter which window you look out of you will always be
>> > facing south. Why?
>> >
>> > Bonus: A bear walks by. What is the color of the bear?
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Andrew Levicki 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I wonder when we will get the results of the test..?
>> >>
>> >> 2009/10/13 
>> >>>
>> >>> Hey, it was said this was a test...
>> >>>
>> >>> Andrew Levicki  wrote on 10/13/2009 10:54:17
>> AM:
>> >>>
>> >>> > Are we veering back to politics?
>> >>>
>> >>> > 2009/10/13 Kim Longenbaugh 
>> >>> > Where ever they host the Nobel prizes.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
>> >>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM
>> >>> >
>> >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> >>> > Subject: Re: test...sorry..
>> >>> >
>> >>> > If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue
>> >>> > House is on the left side, then where us the White House?
>> >>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki <
>> and...@levicki.me.uk>
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> > I didn't receive this test, please resend.
>> >>> > 2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert 
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>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: test...sorry..

[Jon Harris]

Jus someone that just saw the promo for a TV show on 2 legged cougars.
LOL...  I have enough gray hair to avoid the 2 legged varity.

Jon

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Andrew Levicki wrote:

> Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of science?
>
> 2009/10/13 Jon Harris 
>
>
>> Ah, but what kind of cougar the 2 or 4 legged one?
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>   On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Richard Stovall wrote:
>>
>>> That's a cougar you're thinking of.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Jay Dale  wrote:
>>> > I thought a polar bear’s fur was actually dark at the root
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:44 AM
>>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> > Subject: Re: test...sorry..
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Often the hair is red after it eats the seal.
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:42 AM,  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > The hair could appear to be brown if the seal poured that bottle of
>>> Coke all
>>> > over the bear...
>>> >
>>> > Steve Ens  wrote on 10/13/2009 11:38:51 AM:
>>> >
>>> >> Bear appears white, but the hair is actually clear...
>>> >
>>> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Daniel Rodriguez >> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Ok.. something harder...
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> You are in a one room house. There are two windows on each of the
>>> >> four walls of this house. No matter which window you look out of you
>>> >> will always be facing south. Why?
>>> >>
>>> >> Bonus: A bear walks by. What is the color of the bear?
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Andrew Levicki <
>>> and...@levicki.me.uk>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> I wonder when we will get the results of the test...?
>>> >
>>> >> 2009/10/13 
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Hey, it was said this was a test...
>>> >>
>>> >> Andrew Levicki  wrote on 10/13/2009 10:54:17
>>> AM:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > Are we veering back to politics?
>>> >>
>>> >> > 2009/10/13 Kim Longenbaugh 
>>> >> > Where ever they host the Nobel prizes.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
>>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM
>>> >> >
>>> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> >> > Subject: Re: test...sorry..
>>> >> >
>>> >> > If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue
>>> >> > House is on the left side, then where us the White House?
>>> >> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki <
>>> and...@levicki.me.uk
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> > I didn't receive this test, please resend..
>>> >> > 2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert 
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
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>>> >
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>>>  ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>> ~   ~
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Re: mail server DR ?

[Jon Harris]

Yes but when he finds out what you are doing would you still have a job?
Images are great if you don't lose something you would prefer to keep.

Jon

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:49 PM, wjh  wrote:

> But, I like the image
>
> Everyday he would just walk by the printer on the way to his office and the
> printer would still be spitting out page after page, mounds of paper on the
> floor around it.
>
> Bill
>
>
> Jon Harris wrote:
>
> That might take a few months to complete.
>
> Jon
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Charlie Kaiser  > wrote:
>
>> Or print out all the emails in the store... :-)
>>
>> ***
>> Charlie Kaiser
>> charl...@golden-eagle.org
>> Kingman, AZ
>> ***
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:15 AM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: Re: mail server DR ?
>> >
>> > so 'show' him how much 450GB of data is ...
>> >
>> > measure the thickness of a 1.44mb floppy diskette, and then
>> > figure out how many floppies it would take to hold 450GB (
>> > (450 x 1024)/ 1.44 ) and multiply by that thickness ...
>> >
>> > I did that once probably around 2001, and with much less data
>> > to back up, and came up with a stack of floppies taller than
>> > the Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel in Atlanta ( 70 stories tall )
>> >
>> > Or maybe then do the same with the thickness of a CD-ROM ...
>> > you get the idea ...
>> >
>> > I've found that executives prefer a 5 second visual to a 30
>> > second description with words and numbers
>> >
>>
>>
>>  ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
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Re: test...sorry..

[Daniel Rodriguez]

initially, no. Eventualy, yes.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Steve Ens  wrote:

> Down to the ground?
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Daniel Rodriguez wrote:
>
>> Correct!!
>>
>> Another one:
>>
>> You are traveling in a car going 60mph. You reach for an apple and take a
>> bite. You decide you don't like the apple and throw it out the driver side
>> window. Question: In which direction does the apple travel?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
>>
>>> You are on the north pole and it's a polar bear.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Daniel Rodriguez 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Ok.. something harder...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > You are in a one room house. There are two windows on each of the four
>>> walls
>>> > of this house. No matter which window you look out of you will always
>>> be
>>> > facing south. Why?
>>> >
>>> > Bonus: A bear walks by. What is the color of the bear?
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Andrew Levicki >> >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I wonder when we will get the results of the test..?
>>> >>
>>> >> 2009/10/13 
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hey, it was said this was a test...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Andrew Levicki  wrote on 10/13/2009 10:54:17
>>> AM:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> > Are we veering back to politics?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> > 2009/10/13 Kim Longenbaugh 
>>> >>> > Where ever they host the Nobel prizes.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
>>> >>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> >>> > Subject: Re: test...sorry..
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue
>>> >>> > House is on the left side, then where us the White House?
>>> >>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki <
>>> and...@levicki.me.uk>
>>> >>> > wrote:
>>> >>> > I didn't receive this test, please resend.
>>> >>> > 2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert 
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>> ~   ~
>>>
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Re: test...sorry..

[RichardMcClary]

Down
--
RMc

PS - it appears you're feeling pretty well now?  Hope so!

Daniel Rodriguez  wrote on 10/13/2009 12:47:40 PM:

> Correct!!
> 
> Another one:
> 
> You are traveling in a car going 60mph. You reach for an apple and 
> take a bite. You decide you don't like the apple and throw it out 
> the driver side window. Question: In which direction does the apple 
travel?
> 
> 

> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:
> You are on the north pole and it's a polar bear.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Daniel Rodriguez  
wrote:
> > Ok.. something harder...
> >
> >
> > You are in a one room house. There are two windows on each of the four 
walls
> > of this house. No matter which window you look out of you will always 
be
> > facing south. Why?
> >
> > Bonus: A bear walks by. What is the color of the bear?
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Andrew Levicki 

> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I wonder when we will get the results of the test..?
> >>
> >> 2009/10/13 
> >>>
> >>> Hey, it was said this was a test...
> >>>
> >>> Andrew Levicki  wrote on 10/13/2009 10:54:17 
AM:
> >>>
> >>> > Are we veering back to politics?
> >>>
> >>> > 2009/10/13 Kim Longenbaugh 
> >>> > Where ever they host the Nobel prizes.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
> >>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM
> >>> >
> >>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >>> > Subject: Re: test...sorry..
> >>> >
> >>> > If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue
> >>> > House is on the left side, then where us the White House?
> >>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki 

> >>> > wrote:
> >>> > I didn't receive this test, please resend.
> >>> > 2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert 
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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> >

> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
> 
> 
> 
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~   ~

Re: mail server DR ?

[Erik Goldoff]

oh sure, like end users would refill the paper tray instead of placing a
help desk call because the printer won't print 

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:49 PM, wjh  wrote:

> But, I like the image
>
> Everyday he would just walk by the printer on the way to his office and the
> printer would still be spitting out page after page, mounds of paper on the
> floor around it.
>
> Bill
>
>
> Jon Harris wrote:
>
> That might take a few months to complete.
>
> Jon
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Charlie Kaiser  > wrote:
>
>> Or print out all the emails in the store... :-)
>>
>> ***
>> Charlie Kaiser
>> charl...@golden-eagle.org
>> Kingman, AZ
>> ***
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:15 AM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: Re: mail server DR ?
>> >
>> > so 'show' him how much 450GB of data is ...
>> >
>> > measure the thickness of a 1.44mb floppy diskette, and then
>> > figure out how many floppies it would take to hold 450GB (
>> > (450 x 1024)/ 1.44 ) and multiply by that thickness ...
>> >
>> > I did that once probably around 2001, and with much less data
>> > to back up, and came up with a stack of floppies taller than
>> > the Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel in Atlanta ( 70 stories tall )
>> >
>> > Or maybe then do the same with the thickness of a CD-ROM ...
>> > you get the idea ...
>> >
>> > I've found that executives prefer a 5 second visual to a 30
>> > second description with words and numbers
>> >
>>
>>
>>  ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>
>
>
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RE: test...sorry..

[Kim Longenbaugh]

I'd say "to the left" (assuming you're in the US), but then someone
would accuse me of bringing up politics again.

 



From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: test...sorry..

 

Correct!!

Another one:

You are traveling in a car going 60mph. You reach for an apple and take
a bite. You decide you don't like the apple and throw it out the driver
side window. Question: In which direction does the apple travel?




On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:

You are on the north pole and it's a polar bear.


On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Daniel Rodriguez 
wrote:
> Ok.. something harder...
>
>
> You are in a one room house. There are two windows on each of the four
walls
> of this house. No matter which window you look out of you will always
be
> facing south. Why?
>
> Bonus: A bear walks by. What is the color of the bear?
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Andrew Levicki

> wrote:
>>
>> I wonder when we will get the results of the test..?
>>
>> 2009/10/13 
>>>
>>> Hey, it was said this was a test...
>>>
>>> Andrew Levicki  wrote on 10/13/2009 10:54:17
AM:
>>>
>>> > Are we veering back to politics?
>>>
>>> > 2009/10/13 Kim Longenbaugh 
>>> > Where ever they host the Nobel prizes.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:49 AM
>>> >
>>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> > Subject: Re: test...sorry..
>>> >
>>> > If the Red House is on the right side fof the road, and the Blue
>>> > House is on the left side, then where us the White House?
>>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Andrew Levicki

>>> > wrote:
>>> > I didn't receive this test, please resend.
>>> > 2009/10/13 Chyka, Robert 
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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~   ~

 

 

 

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