Re: Whining...

[Ben Scott]

  So, like he said: pr0n

  ;-)

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Brian Desmond  wrote:
> Don’t forget what may be in your house: on-demand from cable company or
> telco. ;)
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Desmond
>
> br...@briandesmond.com
>
>
>
> c   – 312.731.3132
>
>
>
> From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:29 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Whining...
>
>
>
> Lemme see...  IP Video, massive horsepower, state of the art equipment...
>
>
>
> It had to be streaming high-res satellite imagery for a clandestine
> government organization.
>
>
>
> Or pr0n.
>
>
>
> Probably pr0n.
>
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Brian Desmond 
> wrote:
>> I've seen pictures of tests of an IP Video solution on Itanium where they
>> had something like 512 NICs in the back of the box.
>
>  Holy cow.  Even with quad port NICs that's 128 slots.  I know they
> have separate I/O modules on these things but even so that's gotta be
> a big box.  :-)
>
> -- Ben
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Brian Desmond]

Don't forget what may be in your house: on-demand from cable company or telco. 
;)

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   - 312.731.3132

From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Whining...

Lemme see...  IP Video, massive horsepower, state of the art equipment...

It had to be streaming high-res satellite imagery for a clandestine government 
organization.

Or pr0n.

Probably pr0n.
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Ben Scott 
mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Brian Desmond 
mailto:br...@briandesmond.com>> wrote:
> I've seen pictures of tests of an IP Video solution on Itanium where they
> had something like 512 NICs in the back of the box.

 Holy cow.  Even with quad port NICs that's 128 slots.  I know they
have separate I/O modules on these things but even so that's gotta be
a big box.  :-)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~






~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Whining...

[Richard Stovall]

Lemme see...  IP Video, massive horsepower, state of the art equipment...

It had to be streaming high-res satellite imagery for a clandestine
government organization.

Or pr0n.

Probably pr0n.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Brian Desmond 
> wrote:
> > I've seen pictures of tests of an IP Video solution on Itanium where they
> > had something like 512 NICs in the back of the box.
>
>  Holy cow.  Even with quad port NICs that's 128 slots.  I know they
> have separate I/O modules on these things but even so that's gotta be
> a big box.  :-)
>
> -- Ben
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Whining...

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Brian Desmond  wrote:
> I've seen pictures of tests of an IP Video solution on Itanium where they
> had something like 512 NICs in the back of the box.

  Holy cow.  Even with quad port NICs that's 128 slots.  I know they
have separate I/O modules on these things but even so that's gotta be
a big box.  :-)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Whining...

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Brian Desmond  wrote:
> I've seen pictures of tests of an IP Video solution on Itanium where they
> had something like 512 NICs in the back of the box.

  Holy cow.  Even with quad port NICs that's 128 slots.  I know they
have separate I/O modules on these things but even so that's gotta be
a big box.  :-)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[Richard Stovall]

Interesting.  Thanks.  I will check it out.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming
wrote:

> > On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:57, Richard Stovall 
> wrote:
> > > As they say, "+1" for Bullzip as a company.
> > > Their MD5 utility adds the ability to calculate an MD5 sum from the
> > > right-click context menu in Windows.  I use it darn near every day.
> > > http://www.bullzip.com/products/md5/info.php
>
> On 15 Jul 2010 at 12:04, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
> > Nice!
> >
> > Definitely putting that in my toolbox.
>
> I use the Kana Solutions CheckSum, which has a right-click option to
> calculate
> and compare MD5 sums.  It has one thing I haven't seen elsewhere - it will
> autopopulate the comparison field if you have [filename].MD5 in the
> standard
> format in the same directory -- no need to copy and paste the comparison
> MD5
> from elsewhere.  It is a standalone EXE+DLL - no need for .NET 2.0, which
> the
> BullZIP MD5 calculator needs, so I can carry it around on my USB toolstick.
>
>http://www.kanasolution.com/index.php?fid=7
>
> --
> Angus Scott-Fleming
> GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
> 1-520-290-5038
> Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Brian Desmond]

I've seen pictures of tests of an IP Video solution on Itanium where they had 
something like 512 NICs in the back of the box.

The Itanium deployments were always narrow but they definitely do/did exist. I 
still run into the boxes fairly frequently. IA64 Windows is dead though.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   - 312.731.3132


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Whining...

In fear of taking this topic waaay of course...

I used to contract for Intel, doing Bios Validation (for Linux) on Itanium "Big 
Sur" platforms. (Notice, not Itanium 2.)

There was a version of Windows XP for Itanium. They lady doing the WHQL testing 
on it had a lot of fun doing it. (Ever see 127 USB devices plugged into the 
same root USB port?) It ran well, but not any better than a _much_ cheaper 
Pentium III of the time.


So, yes. Itanium running Windows does work. Didn't Microsoft just announce that 
they won't be making any more versions of Windows for IA64?


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Ben Scott
[mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010
16:26:22 -0700
Subject: Re: Whining...


> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Michael B. Smith 
> 
> wrote:
> > I believe (and it maps to my experience as well) that Brian uses "rogue"
> as
> > meaning "outside of established corporate standards".
> 
>   Since the dawn of the computer age, there have been corporate 
> standards, and there have been people finding ways around them in the 
> interests of actually getting work done.  If you waved a magic wand 
> and made all that "rogue" stuff instantly disappear, you'd create 
> havoc just about everywhere.
> 
>   Again, you need all the pieces, both big and small.  I'm sure you'd 
> never find a megacorp running their ERP system on PostgreSQL (not yet, 
> anyway).  But for want of a nail...
> 
> > Arguably, MS-SQL reached performance respectability with SQL 2000 ...
> 
>   Wasn't SQL 2000 still stuck on the 32-bit i386 architecture?
>   Oh, right, I forgot about IA-64.  (Just like the 
> rest of the industry.  ;-) )  I admit I've never even seen an IA-64 
> box in person.  How well does Microsoft's do on IA-64?  Is it like 
> x86-64, where it was a red-headed stepchild for the first few releases 
> (i.e., yes, you could run it, but there was a ton of stuff that didn't 
> work right)?
> 
>   BTW, in response to another subthread: According to Wikipedia, 
> Microsoft rewrote most of the Sybase code for SQL 2000 (7.0).
> 
> -- Ben
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~
> 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming
 wrote:
> It has one thing I haven't seen elsewhere - it will
> autopopulate the comparison field if you have [filename].MD5 in the standard
> format in the same directory

  FWIW: If you have the GNU tools and are of command-line persuasion,
"md5sum -bc foo.md5" will run through the checksum list and report any
discrepancies.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming
 wrote:
> ... Adobe Reader
> won't download without enabling scripting, at which point you have to uncheck
> "Free McAfee Security Scan".

  Don't forget that [expletive] "Adobe Download Manager" crap.

  ftp://ftp.adobe.com/ still works, fortunately, but it's a maze of
twisty passages, all alike.  Not exactly user-friendly.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 15 Jul 2010 at 14:55, Ben Scott  wrote:

> > (Other than install a malware toolbar?)
> 
>   I've never installed the toolbar so I wouldn't know about that.  As
> I recall, there was a fairly obvious option to install it or not.  The
> installer easily exposes the option to not install it for an
> unattended install, and we've been using that for quite some time now.

Agree with this characterization.  Adobe Shockwave Player offered me a "free" 
Norton Security Scanner today when I upgraded it for a client, and Adobe Reader 
won't download without enabling scripting, at which point you have to uncheck 
"Free McAfee Security Scan".  Ditto for having to uncheck the same for Adobe 
Flash Player when downloading as an end-user.

My last upgrades of PDFCreator I scripted, including the uninstall, so I no 
longer see any requests for toolbars.

--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:57, Richard Stovall  wrote:
> > As they say, "+1" for Bullzip as a company.
> > Their MD5 utility adds the ability to calculate an MD5 sum from the
> > right-click context menu in Windows.  I use it darn near every day.
> > http://www.bullzip.com/products/md5/info.php

On 15 Jul 2010 at 12:04, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> Nice!
> 
> Definitely putting that in my toolbox.

I use the Kana Solutions CheckSum, which has a right-click option to calculate 
and compare MD5 sums.  It has one thing I haven't seen elsewhere - it will 
autopopulate the comparison field if you have [filename].MD5 in the standard 
format in the same directory -- no need to copy and paste the comparison MD5 
from elsewhere.  It is a standalone EXE+DLL - no need for .NET 2.0, which the 
BullZIP MD5 calculator needs, so I can carry it around on my USB toolstick.

http://www.kanasolution.com/index.php?fid=7

--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Michael B. Smith]

Just like Commodore. :-(

[I did significant development on the Amiga platform, including I-Net 225 and a 
number of other commercial applications.]

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 9:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Whining...

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
> I had a chance to play with NT4.0 on a 4-CPU Alpha box back in the day.
> Not a lot of appas available for it wither (hence the FX!32 
> emulation/dynamic compile layer), but it _SCREAMED_ at the time.

  Yah, the Alpha was a sweet platform.

  I remember someone telling the story that their i386 program was faster on an 
Alpha running under FX!32 emulation than it was on native i386 hardware.

  Compaq buying DEC was a sad moment in computer history.
Unsurprising that DEC failed -- their marketing was horrible, and their sales 
practices not much better -- but still sad.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Whining...

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
> I had a chance to play with NT4.0 on a 4-CPU Alpha box back in the day.
> Not a lot of appas available for it wither (hence the FX!32
> emulation/dynamic compile layer), but it _SCREAMED_ at the time.

  Yah, the Alpha was a sweet platform.

  I remember someone telling the story that their i386 program was
faster on an Alpha running under FX!32 emulation than it was on native
i386 hardware.

  Compaq buying DEC was a sad moment in computer history.
Unsurprising that DEC failed -- their marketing was horrible, and
their sales practices not much better -- but still sad.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Steven M. Caesare]

I had a chance to play with NT4.0 on a 4-CPU Alpha box back in the day.
Not a lot of appas available for it wither (hence the FX!32
emulation/dynamic compile layer), but it _SCREAMED_ at the time.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 8:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Whining...

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Michael B. Smith
 wrote:
> Actually, a simple recompile for itanium (using Visual Studio) was all

> 64-bit clean code required.

  Yah, they said the same about 64-bit Linux on the Alpha, back in 1995.
Turns out most code isn't 64-bit clean.  :-(

  "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then
the first woodpecker that came along would have destroyed civilization."
(Unknown)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Steven M. Caesare]

I wonder when Itanium will finally be killed off.

When it goes, the last _DIRECT_ lineage from Alpha goes away.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 8:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Whining...

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Matthew W. Ross
 wrote:
> In fear of taking this topic waaay of course...

  I'm not really sure it had much of a proper topic to begin with. :)

> There was a version of Windows XP for Itanium.

  No kidding.  I didn't know that.  What was it good for?  There's no
x86 compatibility on the Itanium, right?  So almost no software.  I
guess maybe you could open *really big* files in Notepad... ;-)

> Ever see 127 USB devices plugged into the same root USB port?

  Hah!

   Hmmm, a few of these would come in handy:

http://thepirata.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/49_port_usb_hub_01-499x3
33.jpg

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Steven M. Caesare]

I know at the time that MS started using the Sybase code, it was still 
page-level, as opposed to row-level locking, and that was the _SINGLE_ biggest 
obstacle to competing with Oracle.

I believe that at least two MS versions with that code base were released, all 
the while there was a full-court press within MS to rebuild to support the more 
granular locking model. This was SQL Server 7, IIRC. It was pretty much a 
ground-up MS product at that point.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Whining...

Does Sybase really still share the same core code as MS-SQL? It's been a *long* 
time since they split.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 15:25, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> Heh.
>
> Not a fan-boi at all. Neither MySQL or PostgreSQL has the rich set of 
> capabilities present in the MS-SQL, DB2, or Oracle _platforms_. Note that for 
> those three, it isn't just a database engine, it's an entire suite of 
> capabilities, programs, and systems.
>
> I'm not saying that they aren't fine products. I've used both fairly 
> extensively in various projects over the last dozen years. I've even 
> implemented MySQL solutions with striped databases and HA to enhance 
> performance and scalability for that solution.

>
> But to say that either of those has the rich infrastructure support and 
> analytic and BI capabilities of DB2, Oracle, or MS-SQL? That's simply not 
> true.
>
> Also, to look at performance and scalability, look at www.tpc.org. For 
> databases at 1 TB or larger, you do not find either MySQL or PostgreSQL 
> listed. You have the three I mentioned, plus Sybase (which shares the same 
> core codebase as MS-SQL) plus a special purpose database for OLTP.
>
> Regardless, we are all allowed to have our opinions. :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 5:56 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Whining...
>
>>Scalability.
>>
>>Performance.
>
> Well, I'd say there are a lot of nix based apps that require this and 
> get it out of my or pg:)
>
>>Operating systems.
>
> Yes, if your an MS shop without any nix experience, you have no choice...
> Do what you know...
>
>>I wrote an application for a customer that had to support three database 
>>platforms (Access [arguably not a real database, but still...], MySQL, and 
>>MS-SQL). It was a nightmare >getting it all right.
>
> Right, but that doesn’t address the inquiry as to why it wasn’t 
> written for *one* to start:) If you write it for MS, it’s the same amount of 
> work if you start out and write it for My or pg.
>
>>IMO, MS-SQL, Oracle, and DB2 are the "enterprise DB platforms" providing full 
>>support for clustering, mirroring, geographic dispersion, business 
>>intelligence, business >analytics, reporting, etc. MySQL and PostgresSQL 
>>aren't bad - but they aren't (again, IMO) full blown business analytic 
>>platforms.
>
> C'mon Michael, seriously? That’s a bit fan-boyish?:) With the utmost 
> GREATEST respect to you, I humbly disagree...
>
> There are some people that think opensource ware is simply a toy, 
> while sometimes the model promotes very good code and very extensive 
> features sets. My and PG have some pretty impressive HA models to work with.
>
> My $0.02 Canadian worth of opinion:)
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Whining...

[Matthew W. Ross]

The Itanium wasn't good for much. I guess the Itanium II was an improvement.

The windows XP that I saw was not a released version, and I don't know if there 
ever was a released one. And no, there wasn't much you could do with it.

--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District

On Jul 15, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Matthew W. Ross
>  wrote:
>> In fear of taking this topic waaay of course...
> 
>  I'm not really sure it had much of a proper topic to begin with. :)
> 
>> There was a version of Windows XP for Itanium.
> 
>  No kidding.  I didn't know that.  What was it good for?  There's no
> x86 compatibility on the Itanium, right?  So almost no software.  I
> guess maybe you could open *really big* files in Notepad... ;-)
> 
>> Ever see 127 USB devices plugged into the same root USB port?
> 
>  Hah!
> 
>   Hmmm, a few of these would come in handy:
> 
> http://thepirata.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/49_port_usb_hub_01-499x333.jpg
> 
> -- Ben
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Steven M. Caesare]

I remember that craze.

VBA was gonna make the accountants in to apps developers as well.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Whining...

Ben Scott said:
>>   "Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft."

Actually, not true.

When I was younger, that statement was "Nobody ever got fired for buying
IBM." I know of more than one project that failed trying to move ERP
systems from IBM mainframes to Windows Servers (in the NT 3.51/early-4.0
timeframe) using PowerBuilder and a rather obscure language from
Burroughs Corp. called LINC. 

Lots of people got fired for buying Microsoft. :-P

[[Obligatory old-timer remark: back in the 80's, PowerBuilder and LINC
were called "fourth generation languages" - all of those eventually
flopped. The assumption with 4GL's was that business people were smart
enough to actually develop the logic for the applications they used.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.]]

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Steven M. Caesare]

Skip Oracle and go directly to SQL Server!

 

-sc

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 5:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Whining...

 

Agreed on all fronts.  I had to teach myself a lot about SQL last year
and spent a lot of time cursing all the different versions of SQL
because one command in MSSQL was not the same command in any other
version of SQL...  Oddly enough though, my ability to learn SQL in a
very short time frame caught the eyes of the CIO and she's asked me to
lead us in our ERP conversion from DB2 to Oracle...  I'm actually
looking forward to it!!!

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Michael B. Smith
 wrote:

Scalability.

Performance.

LOB app requirements.

Specific feature requirements.

Operating systems.

Etc.

I wrote an application for a customer that had to support three database
platforms (Access [arguably not a real database, but still...], MySQL,
and MS-SQL). It was a nightmare getting it all right. Differences in the
way true and false were handled, null vs. not null, which attribute
types CAN be null'ed and which can't, quoting requirements, sanitation
of user input, creating keys and indices, differences in the ways JOINs
and correlated subqueries work, . It likely would've killed my
brain to add DB2 and Oracle, although I understand an in-house guy went
on and did that based on my original implementation.

SQL is not "just SQL". Once you get past "SELECT * FROM TABLE", the
variations begin...

Just like anything else - you learn a platform, get comfortable with it,
and stick with it.

IMO, MS-SQL, Oracle, and DB2 are the "enterprise DB platforms" providing
full support for clustering, mirroring, geographic dispersion, business
intelligence, business analytics, reporting, etc. MySQL and PostgresSQL
aren't bad - but they aren't (again, IMO) full blown business analytic
platforms.


Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com  


-Original Message-

From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Whining...

Oracle...  ... No thank you.

But enlighten me: What are the advantages of various SQLs? Why doesn't
the world kick MS SQL in the head and use free alternatives such as
MySQL, Postgres and the like? Are there inherent
advantages/disadvantages to SQL platforms? I would be interested in
being less ignorant on the subject.

Complaining? Was I complaining? No, just wondering out loud.
(sort-to-speak er... email. Whatever.)



--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -

From: don@gmail.com
To: NT System Admin
Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010

13:04:03 -0700
Subject: Re: Whining...


> Go look at what Oracle costs and then you can complain...  ;) Sent
> from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:01:43
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> Subject: RE: Whining...
>
>  and this is why I wonder why people don't develop for alternative
> SQL solutions ... (MySQL anyone?)
>
> But, I am not a programmer. Nor do I know or understand the real
> differences between different flavors of SQL servers. To me, a
database is a database.
> Data goes in, and you pull data out.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Cameron Cooper
> [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010
> 12:46:01 -0700
> Subject: RE: Whining...
>
>
> > Here ya on this one... we are looking to update our DB servers
> > (hardware
> and
> > software)
> >
> > - hardware - roughly $12,000 for two new servers
> > - software - SQL 2008 R2 enterprise - roughly $27,000 per processor
> > (we
> need
> > unlimited CALs for our clients) x 4 processors in the new servers =
> > boss
> and
> > ceo that pucker
> >
> > I just work here.
> >
> >_
> > Cameron Cooper
> > Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified  Aurico Reports, Inc
> > Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896  ccoo...@aurico.com |
> >www.aurico.com  
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Whining...
> >
> > Have you thought about looking at a plan other than buying retail?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brian Desmond
> > br...@briandesmond.com
> >
> > c   - 312.731.3132
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:15 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: OT: Whining...
> >
> > We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license
> > version of SQL Server 2

RE: Whining...

[Steven M. Caesare]

Scalability is one significant factor.

-sc

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Whining...

... and this is why I wonder why people don't develop for alternative SQL 
solutions ... (MySQL anyone?)

But, I am not a programmer. Nor do I know or understand the real differences 
between different flavors of SQL servers. To me, a database is a database. Data 
goes in, and you pull data out.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Cameron Cooper
[mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010
12:46:01 -0700
Subject: RE: Whining...


> Here ya on this one... we are looking to update our DB servers 
> (hardware and
> software)
> 
> - hardware - roughly $12,000 for two new servers
> - software - SQL 2008 R2 enterprise - roughly $27,000 per processor 
> (we need unlimited CALs for our clients) x 4 processors in the new 
> servers = boss and ceo that pucker
> 
> I just work here.
> 
> _
> Cameron Cooper
> Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified Aurico Reports, Inc
> Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896 ccoo...@aurico.com | 
> www.aurico.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Whining...
> 
> Have you thought about looking at a plan other than buying retail? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> br...@briandesmond.com
> 
> c   – 312.731.3132
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:15 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: Whining...
> 
> We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license 
> version of SQL Server 2008.
> 
> I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to 
> Provantage yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not available 
> anymore.
> 
> They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.
> 
> Ouch.
> 
> Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the 
> moment, nor an EA, so we're buying box retail.
> 
> We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.
> 
> They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to pony 
> up for the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.
> 
> Sigh.
> 
> Just venting.
> 
> Don't mind me...
> 
> Kurt
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Web app stress tools?

[Maglinger, Paul]

Nah... not me...

 

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 8:02 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Web app stress tools?

 

So, are you having Ned Beatty fantasies again?

 

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 6:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Web app stress tools?

 

I KNEW I heard banjo music...

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Web app stress tools?

 

Synonyms.

 

Didn't you see the "Southren" threads?

 

-sc

 

From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Web app stress tools?

 

Did you misspell cousin?

On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:

Your wife mentioned the first...

 

-sc

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Web app stress tools?

 

Dude, that was so yesterday.  The mind is the second thing to go...

 

Shook

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Web app stress tools?

 

I didn't say "web nausea tool".

 

Speaking of "tool", good to see you back on list, Shookster.

 

-sc

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 3:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Web app stress tools?

 

Show the app a picture of your mom...

 

Shook

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 1:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Web app stress tools?

 

Buddy has a web IIS app back-ended with a  SQL server, and wants to run
some stress tests on it for performance.

 

Suggestions?

 

-sc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Whining...

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> Actually, a simple recompile for itanium (using Visual Studio)
> was all 64-bit clean code required.

  Yah, they said the same about 64-bit Linux on the Alpha, back in
1995.  Turns out most code isn't 64-bit clean.  :-(

  "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs,
then the first woodpecker that came along would have destroyed
civilization." (Unknown)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Michael B. Smith]

Actually, a simple recompile for itanium (using Visual Studio) was all 64-bit 
clean code required.

Can't speak to other build environments...

But most software publishers didn't choose to offer that.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 8:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Whining...

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Matthew W. Ross  
wrote:
> In fear of taking this topic waaay of course...

  I'm not really sure it had much of a proper topic to begin with. :)

> There was a version of Windows XP for Itanium.

  No kidding.  I didn't know that.  What was it good for?  There's no
x86 compatibility on the Itanium, right?  So almost no software.  I guess maybe 
you could open *really big* files in Notepad... ;-)

> Ever see 127 USB devices plugged into the same root USB port?

  Hah!

   Hmmm, a few of these would come in handy:

http://thepirata.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/49_port_usb_hub_01-499x333.jpg

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Whining...

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Matthew W. Ross
 wrote:
> In fear of taking this topic waaay of course...

  I'm not really sure it had much of a proper topic to begin with. :)

> There was a version of Windows XP for Itanium.

  No kidding.  I didn't know that.  What was it good for?  There's no
x86 compatibility on the Itanium, right?  So almost no software.  I
guess maybe you could open *really big* files in Notepad... ;-)

> Ever see 127 USB devices plugged into the same root USB port?

  Hah!

   Hmmm, a few of these would come in handy:

http://thepirata.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/49_port_usb_hub_01-499x333.jpg

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Whining...

[Matthew W. Ross]

In fear of taking this topic waaay of course...

I used to contract for Intel, doing Bios Validation (for Linux) on Itanium "Big 
Sur" platforms. (Notice, not Itanium 2.)

There was a version of Windows XP for Itanium. They lady doing the WHQL testing 
on it had a lot of fun doing it. (Ever see 127 USB devices plugged into the 
same root USB port?) It ran well, but not any better than a _much_ cheaper 
Pentium III of the time.

So, yes. Itanium running Windows does work. Didn't Microsoft just announce that 
they won't be making any more versions of Windows for IA64?


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Ben Scott
[mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010
16:26:22 -0700
Subject: Re: Whining...


> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Michael B. Smith 
> wrote:
> > I believe (and it maps to my experience as well) that Brian uses "rogue"
> as
> > meaning "outside of established corporate standards".
> 
>   Since the dawn of the computer age, there have been corporate
> standards, and there have been people finding ways around them in the
> interests of actually getting work done.  If you waved a magic wand
> and made all that "rogue" stuff instantly disappear, you'd create
> havoc just about everywhere.
> 
>   Again, you need all the pieces, both big and small.  I'm sure you'd
> never find a megacorp running their ERP system on PostgreSQL (not yet,
> anyway).  But for want of a nail...
> 
> > Arguably, MS-SQL reached performance respectability with SQL 2000 ...
> 
>   Wasn't SQL 2000 still stuck on the 32-bit i386 architecture?
>   Oh, right, I forgot about IA-64.  (Just like the
> rest of the industry.  ;-) )  I admit I've never even seen an IA-64
> box in person.  How well does Microsoft's do on IA-64?  Is it like
> x86-64, where it was a red-headed stepchild for the first few releases
> (i.e., yes, you could run it, but there was a ton of stuff that didn't
> work right)?
> 
>   BTW, in response to another subthread: According to Wikipedia,
> Microsoft rewrote most of the Sybase code for SQL 2000 (7.0).
> 
> -- Ben
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
> 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Michael B. Smith]

In SQL 2000 and SQL 2005, Microsoft won more than one performance benchmark on 
IA-64. I deployed a few, and it was a Windows implementation that included lots 
of innovations that made it back into the standard Windows releases (think GPT 
disk and very large memory support).

Granted, at this point, x64 has surpassed IA-64 in performance. I don't even 
know if SQL 2008 R2 was released on IA-64 (I don't think so, but didn't go to 
check).

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 7:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Whining...

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> I believe (and it maps to my experience as well) that Brian uses 
> "rogue" as meaning "outside of established corporate standards".

  Since the dawn of the computer age, there have been corporate standards, and 
there have been people finding ways around them in the interests of actually 
getting work done.  If you waved a magic wand and made all that "rogue" stuff 
instantly disappear, you'd create havoc just about everywhere.

  Again, you need all the pieces, both big and small.  I'm sure you'd never 
find a megacorp running their ERP system on PostgreSQL (not yet, anyway).  But 
for want of a nail...

> Arguably, MS-SQL reached performance respectability with SQL 2000 ...

  Wasn't SQL 2000 still stuck on the 32-bit i386 architecture?
  Oh, right, I forgot about IA-64.  (Just like the rest of 
the industry.  ;-) )  I admit I've never even seen an IA-64 box in person.  How 
well does Microsoft's do on IA-64?  Is it like x86-64, where it was a 
red-headed stepchild for the first few releases (i.e., yes, you could run it, 
but there was a ton of stuff that didn't work right)?

  BTW, in response to another subthread: According to Wikipedia, Microsoft 
rewrote most of the Sybase code for SQL 2000 (7.0).

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Whining...

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> I believe (and it maps to my experience as well) that Brian uses "rogue" as
> meaning "outside of established corporate standards".

  Since the dawn of the computer age, there have been corporate
standards, and there have been people finding ways around them in the
interests of actually getting work done.  If you waved a magic wand
and made all that "rogue" stuff instantly disappear, you'd create
havoc just about everywhere.

  Again, you need all the pieces, both big and small.  I'm sure you'd
never find a megacorp running their ERP system on PostgreSQL (not yet,
anyway).  But for want of a nail...

> Arguably, MS-SQL reached performance respectability with SQL 2000 ...

  Wasn't SQL 2000 still stuck on the 32-bit i386 architecture?
  Oh, right, I forgot about IA-64.  (Just like the
rest of the industry.  ;-) )  I admit I've never even seen an IA-64
box in person.  How well does Microsoft's do on IA-64?  Is it like
x86-64, where it was a red-headed stepchild for the first few releases
(i.e., yes, you could run it, but there was a ton of stuff that didn't
work right)?

  BTW, in response to another subthread: According to Wikipedia,
Microsoft rewrote most of the Sybase code for SQL 2000 (7.0).

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Brian Desmond]

As Michael noted, I was referring to unsanctioned/not centrally managed 
instances of a given  as "rogue". Depending on the maturity of the 
shop, pulling that stunt at some places that can be a career limiting move. 

Places that seriously standardize on something like MSSQL/Oracle/etc. will be 
hardcore about it. You come in pitching a solution that only runs on SQL and 
it's an Oracle shop, you'll be shown the door. 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   - 312.731.3132


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 5:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Whining...

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Brian Desmond  wrote:
> Honestly, having worked in hundreds of large scale orgs, the three 
> Michael listed are the three you're going to find operating in 
> datacenters outside of rogue instances and the occasional in-the-box app 
> specific DB.

  In a large organization, I would expect to find heavy deployment of at least 
one big commercial platform as the centerpiece, but lots of other stuff on the 
edge in supporting roles.  You dismiss them as "rogue", I take it, but I don't 
see why.  Take away the small pieces and the big pieces usually grind to a 
halt.  Take away the big pieces and the small pieces are pointless.  You need 
all the pieces for a machine to work.

   In my experience, big organizations never have homogeneous systems.

  It wasn't all *that* long ago the MS-SQL was excluded from the "real 
database" category by some because it was stuck on 32-bit pee sea boxes and 
simply couldn't scale up to the likes of big Sun/IBM/HP/DEC/etc. systems.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Whining...

[Steven Peck]

The enterprise tools that most support vendors have work with MS SQL
or Oracle.  backup, monitoring, etc.  Some do the others but not all
nor convieniently.  Also, having fewer products to support internally
means more expertise can be developed.

I am seeing more apps that use PostGRE or MySQL as a back-end products
but one of the big issues is the documentation and expertise to run
those systems at the same scale of MS SQL just isn't out in the wide
spread community yet.  The tools are still catching up.

Can they do the larger things, for the most part yes.  Is 'most part'
probably good enough for more then most use?  Sure.  Remember, IT is
slow and set in their ways and for good reason, we all hate getting up
at 2am to that darn phone call.

It doesn't help that Sun bought MySQL AB and Oracle bought Sun so
there is confusion in that area now as well.  PostGRE for all of it's
advocates just doesn't seem to have as wide spread adoption as MySQL
despite it's reputation.

And 'outside of IT norms, is rogue.  Of course, we all find to many
damn 'enterprise Access databases and I would really rather find a
'rogue' MySQL db then that.

Steevn

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> I believe (and it maps to my experience as well) that Brian uses "rogue" as 
> meaning "outside of established corporate standards".
>
> Arguably, MS-SQL reached performance respectability with SQL 2000 and feature 
> respectability with SQL 2005. So... I agree with your statement.
>
> However, the "MS-SQL runtime" that MSFT provided "for free", followed by MSDE 
> "for free" and the Access-to-SQL upgrade wizard "for free" did LOTS of help 
> to give MS-SQL the boost it needed...
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:57 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Whining...
>
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Brian Desmond  wrote:
>> Honestly, having worked in hundreds of large scale orgs, the three
>> Michael listed are the three you're going to find operating in
>> datacenters outside of rogue instances and the occasional in-the-box app 
>> specific DB.
>
>  In a large organization, I would expect to find heavy deployment of at least 
> one big commercial platform as the centerpiece, but lots of other stuff on 
> the edge in supporting roles.  You dismiss them as "rogue", I take it, but I 
> don't see why.  Take away the small pieces and the big pieces usually grind 
> to a halt.  Take away the big pieces and the small pieces are pointless.  You 
> need all the pieces for a machine to work.
>
>   In my experience, big organizations never have homogeneous systems.
>
>  It wasn't all *that* long ago the MS-SQL was excluded from the "real 
> database" category by some because it was stuck on 32-bit pee sea boxes and 
> simply couldn't scale up to the likes of big Sun/IBM/HP/DEC/etc. systems.
>
> -- Ben
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Brian Desmond]

Yes exactly

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   - 312.731.3132


-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Whining...

I believe (and it maps to my experience as well) that Brian uses "rogue" as 
meaning "outside of established corporate standards".

Arguably, MS-SQL reached performance respectability with SQL 2000 and feature 
respectability with SQL 2005. So... I agree with your statement.

However, the "MS-SQL runtime" that MSFT provided "for free", followed by MSDE 
"for free" and the Access-to-SQL upgrade wizard "for free" did LOTS of help to 
give MS-SQL the boost it needed...

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Whining...

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Brian Desmond  wrote:
> Honestly, having worked in hundreds of large scale orgs, the three 
> Michael listed are the three you're going to find operating in 
> datacenters outside of rogue instances and the occasional in-the-box app 
> specific DB.

  In a large organization, I would expect to find heavy deployment of at least 
one big commercial platform as the centerpiece, but lots of other stuff on the 
edge in supporting roles.  You dismiss them as "rogue", I take it, but I don't 
see why.  Take away the small pieces and the big pieces usually grind to a 
halt.  Take away the big pieces and the small pieces are pointless.  You need 
all the pieces for a machine to work.

   In my experience, big organizations never have homogeneous systems.

  It wasn't all *that* long ago the MS-SQL was excluded from the "real 
database" category by some because it was stuck on 32-bit pee sea boxes and 
simply couldn't scale up to the likes of big Sun/IBM/HP/DEC/etc. systems.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Michael B. Smith]

I believe (and it maps to my experience as well) that Brian uses "rogue" as 
meaning "outside of established corporate standards".

Arguably, MS-SQL reached performance respectability with SQL 2000 and feature 
respectability with SQL 2005. So... I agree with your statement.

However, the "MS-SQL runtime" that MSFT provided "for free", followed by MSDE 
"for free" and the Access-to-SQL upgrade wizard "for free" did LOTS of help to 
give MS-SQL the boost it needed...

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Whining...

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Brian Desmond  wrote:
> Honestly, having worked in hundreds of large scale orgs, the three 
> Michael listed are the three you're going to find operating in 
> datacenters outside of rogue instances and the occasional in-the-box app 
> specific DB.

  In a large organization, I would expect to find heavy deployment of at least 
one big commercial platform as the centerpiece, but lots of other stuff on the 
edge in supporting roles.  You dismiss them as "rogue", I take it, but I don't 
see why.  Take away the small pieces and the big pieces usually grind to a 
halt.  Take away the big pieces and the small pieces are pointless.  You need 
all the pieces for a machine to work.

   In my experience, big organizations never have homogeneous systems.

  It wasn't all *that* long ago the MS-SQL was excluded from the "real 
database" category by some because it was stuck on 32-bit pee sea boxes and 
simply couldn't scale up to the likes of big Sun/IBM/HP/DEC/etc. systems.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Whining...

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Brian Desmond  wrote:
> Honestly, having worked in hundreds of large scale orgs, the three
> Michael listed are the three you're going to find operating in datacenters
> outside of rogue instances and the occasional in-the-box app specific DB.

  In a large organization, I would expect to find heavy deployment of
at least one big commercial platform as the centerpiece, but lots of
other stuff on the edge in supporting roles.  You dismiss them as
"rogue", I take it, but I don't see why.  Take away the small pieces
and the big pieces usually grind to a halt.  Take away the big pieces
and the small pieces are pointless.  You need all the pieces for a
machine to work.

   In my experience, big organizations never have homogeneous systems.

  It wasn't all *that* long ago the MS-SQL was excluded from the "real
database" category by some because it was stuck on 32-bit pee sea
boxes and simply couldn't scale up to the likes of big
Sun/IBM/HP/DEC/etc. systems.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Michael B. Smith]

I said "core codebase" - which is true.

I can't speak as to how many lines of code are still the same. I simply don't 
know.

But yes, they did "start" at the same place

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Whining...

Does Sybase really still share the same core code as MS-SQL? It's been a *long* 
time since they split.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 15:25, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> Heh.
>
> Not a fan-boi at all. Neither MySQL or PostgreSQL has the rich set of 
> capabilities present in the MS-SQL, DB2, or Oracle _platforms_. Note that for 
> those three, it isn't just a database engine, it's an entire suite of 
> capabilities, programs, and systems.
>
> I'm not saying that they aren't fine products. I've used both fairly 
> extensively in various projects over the last dozen years. I've even 
> implemented MySQL solutions with striped databases and HA to enhance 
> performance and scalability for that solution.

>
> But to say that either of those has the rich infrastructure support and 
> analytic and BI capabilities of DB2, Oracle, or MS-SQL? That's simply not 
> true.
>
> Also, to look at performance and scalability, look at www.tpc.org. For 
> databases at 1 TB or larger, you do not find either MySQL or PostgreSQL 
> listed. You have the three I mentioned, plus Sybase (which shares the same 
> core codebase as MS-SQL) plus a special purpose database for OLTP.
>
> Regardless, we are all allowed to have our opinions. :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 5:56 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Whining...
>
>>Scalability.
>>
>>Performance.
>
> Well, I'd say there are a lot of nix based apps that require this and 
> get it out of my or pg:)
>
>>Operating systems.
>
> Yes, if your an MS shop without any nix experience, you have no choice...
> Do what you know...
>
>>I wrote an application for a customer that had to support three database 
>>platforms (Access [arguably not a real database, but still...], MySQL, and 
>>MS-SQL). It was a nightmare >getting it all right.
>
> Right, but that doesn’t address the inquiry as to why it wasn’t 
> written for *one* to start:) If you write it for MS, it’s the same amount of 
> work if you start out and write it for My or pg.
>
>>IMO, MS-SQL, Oracle, and DB2 are the "enterprise DB platforms" providing full 
>>support for clustering, mirroring, geographic dispersion, business 
>>intelligence, business >analytics, reporting, etc. MySQL and PostgresSQL 
>>aren't bad - but they aren't (again, IMO) full blown business analytic 
>>platforms.
>
> C'mon Michael, seriously? That’s a bit fan-boyish?:) With the utmost 
> GREATEST respect to you, I humbly disagree...
>
> There are some people that think opensource ware is simply a toy, 
> while sometimes the model promotes very good code and very extensive 
> features sets. My and PG have some pretty impressive HA models to work with.
>
> My $0.02 Canadian worth of opinion:)
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Whining...

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> Ben Scott said:
>>>   "Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft."
>
> Actually, not true.

  Oh, I didn't mean to imply it was true.  Just some people think that!  :-)

  And in a way, it is true.  People aren't fired for buying Microsoft.
 They are, however, fired for not getting the job done.  And sometimes
they're laid off because the competition got the job done
quicker/cheaper/better.  Any product choice can contribute to either
of those situations -- IBM, Microsoft, Oracle, or an Open Source
thing.

> "fourth generation languages" - all of those eventually flopped.

  I remember those things.  As you say, the big mistake is assuming
that business people understand logic.

  Of course, a common mistake with other languages is assuming that
all "programmers" know how to program...  ;-)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Whining...

[Kurt Buff]

Does Sybase really still share the same core code as MS-SQL? It's been
a *long* time since they split.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 15:25, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> Heh.
>
> Not a fan-boi at all. Neither MySQL or PostgreSQL has the rich set of 
> capabilities present in the MS-SQL, DB2, or Oracle _platforms_. Note that for 
> those three, it isn't just a database engine, it's an entire suite of 
> capabilities, programs, and systems.
>
> I'm not saying that they aren't fine products. I've used both fairly 
> extensively in various projects over the last dozen years. I've even 
> implemented MySQL solutions with striped databases and HA to enhance 
> performance and scalability for that solution.
>
> But to say that either of those has the rich infrastructure support and 
> analytic and BI capabilities of DB2, Oracle, or MS-SQL? That's simply not 
> true.
>
> Also, to look at performance and scalability, look at www.tpc.org. For 
> databases at 1 TB or larger, you do not find either MySQL or PostgreSQL 
> listed. You have the three I mentioned, plus Sybase (which shares the same 
> core codebase as MS-SQL) plus a special purpose database for OLTP.
>
> Regardless, we are all allowed to have our opinions. :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 5:56 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Whining...
>
>>Scalability.
>>
>>Performance.
>
> Well, I'd say there are a lot of nix based apps that require this and get it
> out of my or pg:)
>
>>Operating systems.
>
> Yes, if your an MS shop without any nix experience, you have no choice...
> Do what you know...
>
>>I wrote an application for a customer that had to support three database 
>>platforms (Access [arguably not a real database, but still...], MySQL, and 
>>MS-SQL). It was a nightmare >getting it all right.
>
> Right, but that doesn’t address the inquiry as to why it wasn’t written for 
> *one* to start:)
> If you write it for MS, it’s the same amount of work if you start out and 
> write it for My or pg.
>
>>IMO, MS-SQL, Oracle, and DB2 are the "enterprise DB platforms" providing full 
>>support for clustering, mirroring, geographic dispersion, business 
>>intelligence, business >analytics, reporting, etc. MySQL and PostgresSQL 
>>aren't bad - but they aren't (again, IMO) full blown business analytic 
>>platforms.
>
> C'mon Michael, seriously? That’s a bit fan-boyish?:)
> With the utmost GREATEST respect to you, I humbly disagree...
>
> There are some people that think opensource ware is simply a toy, while 
> sometimes the model
> promotes very good code and very extensive features sets. My and PG have some 
> pretty impressive
> HA models to work with.
>
> My $0.02 Canadian worth of opinion:)
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Whining...

[Don Ely]

+100

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Brian Desmond wrote:

> Honestly, having worked in hundreds of large scale orgs, the three Michael
> listed are the three you're going to find operating in datacenters outside
> of rogue instances and the occasional in-the-box app specific DB.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> br...@briandesmond.com
>
> c   – 312.731.3132
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:56 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Whining...
>
>  >Scalability.
> >
> >Performance.
>
> Well, I'd say there are a lot of nix based apps that require this and get
> it out of my or pg:)
>
> >Operating systems.
>
> Yes, if your an MS shop without any nix experience, you have no choice...
> Do what you know...
>
> >I wrote an application for a customer that had to support three database
> platforms (Access [arguably not a real database, but still...], MySQL, and
> MS-SQL). It was a nightmare >getting it all right.
>
> Right, but that doesn’t address the inquiry as to why it wasn’t written for
> *one* to start:) If you write it for MS, it’s the same amount of work if you
> start out and write it for My or pg.
>
> >IMO, MS-SQL, Oracle, and DB2 are the "enterprise DB platforms" providing
> full support for clustering, mirroring, geographic dispersion, business
> intelligence, business >analytics, reporting, etc. MySQL and PostgresSQL
> aren't bad - but they aren't (again, IMO) full blown business analytic
> platforms.
>
> C'mon Michael, seriously? That’s a bit fan-boyish?:) With the utmost
> GREATEST respect to you, I humbly disagree...
>
> There are some people that think opensource ware is simply a toy, while
> sometimes the model promotes very good code and very extensive features
> sets. My and PG have some pretty impressive HA models to work with.
>
> My $0.02 Canadian worth of opinion:)
>
>  ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <
> http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Michael B. Smith]

Heh.

Not a fan-boi at all. Neither MySQL or PostgreSQL has the rich set of 
capabilities present in the MS-SQL, DB2, or Oracle _platforms_. Note that for 
those three, it isn't just a database engine, it's an entire suite of 
capabilities, programs, and systems.

I'm not saying that they aren't fine products. I've used both fairly 
extensively in various projects over the last dozen years. I've even 
implemented MySQL solutions with striped databases and HA to enhance 
performance and scalability for that solution.

But to say that either of those has the rich infrastructure support and 
analytic and BI capabilities of DB2, Oracle, or MS-SQL? That's simply not true.

Also, to look at performance and scalability, look at www.tpc.org. For 
databases at 1 TB or larger, you do not find either MySQL or PostgreSQL listed. 
You have the three I mentioned, plus Sybase (which shares the same core 
codebase as MS-SQL) plus a special purpose database for OLTP.

Regardless, we are all allowed to have our opinions. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 5:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Whining...

>Scalability.
>
>Performance.

Well, I'd say there are a lot of nix based apps that require this and get it
out of my or pg:)

>Operating systems.

Yes, if your an MS shop without any nix experience, you have no choice...
Do what you know...

>I wrote an application for a customer that had to support three database 
>platforms (Access [arguably not a real database, but still...], MySQL, and 
>MS-SQL). It was a nightmare >getting it all right.

Right, but that doesn’t address the inquiry as to why it wasn’t written for 
*one* to start:)
If you write it for MS, it’s the same amount of work if you start out and write 
it for My or pg.

>IMO, MS-SQL, Oracle, and DB2 are the "enterprise DB platforms" providing full 
>support for clustering, mirroring, geographic dispersion, business 
>intelligence, business >analytics, reporting, etc. MySQL and PostgresSQL 
>aren't bad - but they aren't (again, IMO) full blown business analytic 
>platforms.

C'mon Michael, seriously? That’s a bit fan-boyish?:) 
With the utmost GREATEST respect to you, I humbly disagree...

There are some people that think opensource ware is simply a toy, while 
sometimes the model
promotes very good code and very extensive features sets. My and PG have some 
pretty impressive
HA models to work with.

My $0.02 Canadian worth of opinion:)

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Brian Desmond]

Honestly, having worked in hundreds of large scale orgs, the three Michael 
listed are the three you're going to find operating in datacenters outside of 
rogue instances and the occasional in-the-box app specific DB. 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   – 312.731.3132


-Original Message-
From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Whining...

>Scalability.
>
>Performance.

Well, I'd say there are a lot of nix based apps that require this and get it 
out of my or pg:)

>Operating systems.

Yes, if your an MS shop without any nix experience, you have no choice...
Do what you know...

>I wrote an application for a customer that had to support three database 
>platforms (Access [arguably not a real database, but still...], MySQL, and 
>MS-SQL). It was a nightmare >getting it all right.

Right, but that doesn’t address the inquiry as to why it wasn’t written for 
*one* to start:) If you write it for MS, it’s the same amount of work if you 
start out and write it for My or pg.

>IMO, MS-SQL, Oracle, and DB2 are the "enterprise DB platforms" providing full 
>support for clustering, mirroring, geographic dispersion, business 
>intelligence, business >analytics, reporting, etc. MySQL and PostgresSQL 
>aren't bad - but they aren't (again, IMO) full blown business analytic 
>platforms.

C'mon Michael, seriously? That’s a bit fan-boyish?:) With the utmost GREATEST 
respect to you, I humbly disagree...

There are some people that think opensource ware is simply a toy, while 
sometimes the model promotes very good code and very extensive features sets. 
My and PG have some pretty impressive HA models to work with.

My $0.02 Canadian worth of opinion:)

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Michael B. Smith]

Ben Scott said:
>>   "Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft."

Actually, not true.

When I was younger, that statement was "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM." 
I know of more than one project that failed trying to move ERP systems from IBM 
mainframes to Windows Servers (in the NT 3.51/early-4.0 timeframe) using 
PowerBuilder and a rather obscure language from Burroughs Corp. called LINC. 

Lots of people got fired for buying Microsoft. :-P

[[Obligatory old-timer remark: back in the 80's, PowerBuilder and LINC were 
called "fourth generation languages" - all of those eventually flopped. The 
assumption with 4GL's was that business people were smart enough to actually 
develop the logic for the applications they used. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.]]

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Whining...

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> I wrote an application for a customer that had to support
> three database platforms (Access [arguably not a real database, but still...],
> MySQL, and MS-SQL).

  MySQL isn't really a "real" database platform (in the sense you
mean), either.  The design is heavily optimized for reads and
deliberately excludes many of the usual RDBMS features.  If I was
looking to support MS-SQL plus "something Open Source", I would expect
PostgreSQL to be a better fit.

  But, of course, you gotta do what the customer wants...

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Joseph L. Casale]

>Scalability.
>
>Performance.

Well, I'd say there are a lot of nix based apps that require this and get it
out of my or pg:)

>Operating systems.

Yes, if your an MS shop without any nix experience, you have no choice...
Do what you know...

>I wrote an application for a customer that had to support three database 
>platforms (Access [arguably not a real database, but still...], MySQL, and 
>MS-SQL). It was a nightmare >getting it all right.

Right, but that doesn’t address the inquiry as to why it wasn’t written for 
*one* to start:)
If you write it for MS, it’s the same amount of work if you start out and write 
it for My or pg.

>IMO, MS-SQL, Oracle, and DB2 are the "enterprise DB platforms" providing full 
>support for clustering, mirroring, geographic dispersion, business 
>intelligence, business >analytics, reporting, etc. MySQL and PostgresSQL 
>aren't bad - but they aren't (again, IMO) full blown business analytic 
>platforms.

C'mon Michael, seriously? That’s a bit fan-boyish?:) 
With the utmost GREATEST respect to you, I humbly disagree...

There are some people that think opensource ware is simply a toy, while 
sometimes the model
promotes very good code and very extensive features sets. My and PG have some 
pretty impressive
HA models to work with.

My $0.02 Canadian worth of opinion:)

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Internet Proxy - Group Policy Question

[Gavin Wilby]

Hi Guys,

Thats really useful to know thank you hugely.

Ill take a proper look at the settings of the proxy and try and implemented
as suggested.

Thanks again.

G.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 1:48 AM, James Hill wrote:

> We use a .pac file.  Works quite well.  Here's an example that will work
> perfectly for most environments:-
>
> function FindProxyForURL(url, host) {
>
>
> // If URL has no dots in host name, send traffic direct.
>if (isPlainHostName(host))
>return "DIRECT";
>
>
> // If IP address is internal or hostname resolves to internal IP, send
> direct.
>
>var resolved_ip = dnsResolve(host);
>
>if (isInNet(resolved_ip, "10.0.0.0", "255.0.0.0") ||
>isInNet(resolved_ip, "172.16.0.0",  "255.240.0.0") ||
>isInNet(resolved_ip, "192.168.0.0", "255.255.0.0") ||
>isInNet(resolved_ip, "127.0.0.0", "255.255.255.0"))
>return "DIRECT";
>
>
> // All other traffic uses below proxies, in fail-over order.
>return "PROXY yourproxyserver:8080; DIRECT";
> }
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:malcolm.re...@live.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 July 2010 1:43 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Internet Proxy - Group Policy Question
>
> That's what I was getting at. Very easy to publish wpad.dat or proxy.pac
> via DHCP option 252 to all clients. Make sure you point to the
> wpad.dat/proxy.pac by FQDN, not IP, so the proxy is gracefully ignored when
> the PC is off the corporate network.
>
> -Malcolm
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 09:27
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Internet Proxy - Group Policy Question
>
> IMHO, this is not the most effective way of going about it.
>
> I would instead enforce that IE (and if you can, any other browsers) to
> automatically detect proxy settings, then set up
> http://wpad.example.com/wpad.dat, then configure wpad.dat with the
> settings you want.
>
> That way, if the above URL isn't available - because they're outside your
> perimeter, for example - then the browser is free to go direct, and not use
> the proxy.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 04:08, Gavin Wilby  wrote:
> > Good Afternoon all,
> > I have a quick question regarding Internet Proxys.
> > I have a site that has a GPO that forces all users to to run through
> > the Message Labs proxy server. The policy forces it so it cannot be
> > turned off, and there are one or two exceptions in that policy.
> > Now this is all well and good right up until the point that one of the
> > users (a director) takes his laptop out of the building, and then
> > disappears abroad with it without telling us. The internet then stops
> > working for him, as Im guessing that its trying to use a proxy server
> > that it can neither find, nor authenticate to. Due to the policy being
> > forced he, as an end user cant turn it off, and we have resorted to
> > manually changing the registry to get it working again.
> > The GPO mentioned above is of course a USER based policy, so I cant
> > omit his laptop from it, and although I could omit HIM from it, I dont
> > really want to, as it means he has free rein on every PC he logs into.
> > No doubt Im missing something blindingly obvious here, but whats going
> > to be the best solution?
> >
> > --
> > Gavin Wilby,
> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/gavin_wilby
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <
> http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <
> http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>



-- 
Gavin Wilby,
Twitter: http://twitter.com/gavin_wilby
GSXR Blog: http://www.stoof.co.uk

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Whining...

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Matthew W. Ross
 wrote:
> What are the advantages of various SQLs? Why doesn't the world kick
> MS SQL in the head and use free alternatives such as MySQL, Postgres
> and the like?

  In roughly decreasing order of importance:

  A lot of products are already using MS-SQL.  Switching products is expensive.

  A lot of people just use whatever they know.  They learned MS-SQL so
they use that.

  A lot of those sort of people are Visual Basic programmers who
barely know what they're doing in the first place.  They have a hard
enough time getting an all-Microsoft solution to work.  Going
multi-vendor is simply beyond them.

  Some people/organizations just don't like Open Source stuff, for
whatever reason.

  "Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft."

  If you're using an application that started life as an MS Access
database, it's easier to shoehorn it into MS-SQL then it is shoehorn
into a third-party database.

  MS-SQL comes with a lot of GUI tools "in the box"; those are
third-party packages with the Open Source databases.  While they're
pretty well-integrated at this point, that still makes things a bit
more complex then it would otherwise be.

> Are there inherent advantages/disadvantages to SQL platforms?

  Absolutely.

  SQL -- as a generic language specification -- only gets you so much.
 To do any "real" database work, you have to go beyond the SQL
language specification, so you're into vendor-specific extensions, and
of course none of those are portable.

> I would be interested in being less ignorant on the subject.

  MySQL is optimized for fast read performance, at the cost of much
slower write performance, and losing many of the features one would
expect in a "real" database.  This makes MySQL very good for a
"read-mostly" scenario -- such as many websites, where most users are
just browsing.

  Plus many web programmers just barely know what they're doing (sound
familiar?), so they never get into things like referential integrity
or stored procedures, so they never miss the things MySQL lacks.

  PostgreSQL and Firebird are much more feature-complete vs MySQL.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Power meter

[Sam Cayze]

If you want to be really accurate?
http://www.p3international.com/products/special/P4400/P4400-CE.html

 

Bet you don't want to unplug every piece of equipment though :)

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Power meter

 

Server or workstation?  The following solution is for managing  and
monitoring power consumption.

 

Server:
http://www.1e.com/softwareproducts/nightwatchmanserver/index.aspx

 

Workstation:
http://www.1e.com/softwareproducts/nightwatchman/index.aspx

 

 

From: Adam Meixler [mailto:ad...@interlink1.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Power meter

 

Hi all, 

 

I know this has been asked a million times but haven't found it in the
archive.

 

We need to size a new UPS. Any suggestions on how to get accurate
readings for our current power consumption?

 

Thank you!

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT: Whining...

[Don Ely]

You can do about the same with an SA without all the upfront cost...

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> Cool.
>
> I'll ask for EA, and it we end up at SA I'll be happier than I am now.
>
> I just like the idea that we can do the three year thing, then keep
> paying on software assurance and keep upgrading, for a lot less money
> than buying new all over again. Plus the other stuff that comes with
> an EA, like support and training.
>
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 14:26, Don Ely  wrote:
> > The SA would be your next option right below an EA...  It doesn't require
> a
> > bunch of $$$ up front either
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
> >>
> >> Yep.
> >>
> >> I'm actually looking at an EA, just have to find the time put the data
> >> together.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 12:44,   wrote:
> >> > You should look into a select agreement...
> >> > --Original Message--
> >> > From: Kurt Buff
> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> > ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues
> >> > Subject: OT: Whining...
> >> > Sent: Jul 15, 2010 12:14
> >> >
> >> > We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license
> >> > version of SQL Server 2008.
> >> >
> >> > I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to
> >> > Provantage yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not
> >> > available anymore.
> >> >
> >> > They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.
> >> >
> >> > Ouch.
> >> >
> >> > Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the
> >> > moment, nor an EA, so we're buying box retail.
> >> >
> >> > We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.
> >> >
> >> > They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to pony
> >> > up for the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.
> >> >
> >> > Sigh.
> >> >
> >> > Just venting.
> >> >
> >> > Don't mind me...
> >> >
> >> > Kurt
> >> >
> >> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> >> > ~   ~
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> >> > ~   ~
> >>
> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> >> ~   ~
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT: Whining...

[Kurt Buff]

Cool.

I'll ask for EA, and it we end up at SA I'll be happier than I am now.

I just like the idea that we can do the three year thing, then keep
paying on software assurance and keep upgrading, for a lot less money
than buying new all over again. Plus the other stuff that comes with
an EA, like support and training.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 14:26, Don Ely  wrote:
> The SA would be your next option right below an EA...  It doesn't require a
> bunch of $$$ up front either
>
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> Yep.
>>
>> I'm actually looking at an EA, just have to find the time put the data
>> together.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 12:44,   wrote:
>> > You should look into a select agreement...
>> > --Original Message--
>> > From: Kurt Buff
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: OT: Whining...
>> > Sent: Jul 15, 2010 12:14
>> >
>> > We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license
>> > version of SQL Server 2008.
>> >
>> > I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to
>> > Provantage yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not
>> > available anymore.
>> >
>> > They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.
>> >
>> > Ouch.
>> >
>> > Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the
>> > moment, nor an EA, so we're buying box retail.
>> >
>> > We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.
>> >
>> > They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to pony
>> > up for the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.
>> >
>> > Sigh.
>> >
>> > Just venting.
>> >
>> > Don't mind me...
>> >
>> > Kurt
>> >
>> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> > ~   ~
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> > ~   ~
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Whining...

[Don Ely]

Agreed on all fronts.  I had to teach myself a lot about SQL last year and
spent a lot of time cursing all the different versions of SQL because one
command in MSSQL was not the same command in any other version of SQL...
Oddly enough though, my ability to learn SQL in a very short time frame
caught the eyes of the CIO and she's asked me to lead us in our ERP
conversion from DB2 to Oracle...  I'm actually looking forward to it!!!

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

> Scalability.
>
> Performance.
>
> LOB app requirements.
>
> Specific feature requirements.
>
> Operating systems.
>
> Etc.
>
> I wrote an application for a customer that had to support three database
> platforms (Access [arguably not a real database, but still...], MySQL, and
> MS-SQL). It was a nightmare getting it all right. Differences in the way
> true and false were handled, null vs. not null, which attribute types CAN be
> null'ed and which can't, quoting requirements, sanitation of user input,
> creating keys and indices, differences in the ways JOINs and correlated
> subqueries work, . It likely would've killed my brain to add DB2
> and Oracle, although I understand an in-house guy went on and did that based
> on my original implementation.
>
> SQL is not "just SQL". Once you get past "SELECT * FROM TABLE", the
> variations begin...
>
> Just like anything else - you learn a platform, get comfortable with it,
> and stick with it.
>
> IMO, MS-SQL, Oracle, and DB2 are the "enterprise DB platforms" providing
> full support for clustering, mirroring, geographic dispersion, business
> intelligence, business analytics, reporting, etc. MySQL and PostgresSQL
> aren't bad - but they aren't (again, IMO) full blown business analytic
> platforms.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com 
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:10 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Whining...
>
> Oracle...  ... No thank you.
>
> But enlighten me: What are the advantages of various SQLs? Why doesn't the
> world kick MS SQL in the head and use free alternatives such as MySQL,
> Postgres and the like? Are there inherent advantages/disadvantages to SQL
> platforms? I would be interested in being less ignorant on the subject.
>
> Complaining? Was I complaining? No, just wondering out loud.
> (sort-to-speak er... email. Whatever.)
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: don@gmail.com
> To: NT System Admin
> Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010
>  13:04:03 -0700
> Subject: Re: Whining...
>
>
> > Go look at what Oracle costs and then you can complain...  ;) Sent
> > from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
> > Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:01:43
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> > Subject: RE: Whining...
> >
> >  and this is why I wonder why people don't develop for alternative
> > SQL solutions ... (MySQL anyone?)
> >
> > But, I am not a programmer. Nor do I know or understand the real
> > differences between different flavors of SQL servers. To me, a database
> is a database.
> > Data goes in, and you pull data out.
> >
> >
> > --Matt Ross
> > Ephrata School District
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Cameron Cooper
> > [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> > Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010
> > 12:46:01 -0700
> > Subject: RE: Whining...
> >
> >
> > > Here ya on this one... we are looking to update our DB servers
> > > (hardware
> > and
> > > software)
> > >
> > > - hardware - roughly $12,000 for two new servers
> > > - software - SQL 2008 R2 enterprise - roughly $27,000 per processor
> > > (we
> > need
> > > unlimited CALs for our clients) x 4 processors in the new servers =
> > > boss
> > and
> > > ceo that pucker
> > >
> > > I just work here.
> > >
> > >_
> > > Cameron Cooper
> > > Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified  Aurico Reports, Inc
> > > Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896  ccoo...@aurico.com |
> > >www.aurico.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: RE: Whining...
> > >
> > > Have you thought about looking at a plan other than buying retail?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Brian Desmond
> > > br...@briandesmond.com
> > >
> > > c   – 312.731.3132
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:15 PM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: OT: Whining...
> > >
> > > We got a quote last week from Provantage 

Re: OT: Whining...

[Don Ely]

The SA would be your next option right below an EA...  It doesn't require a
bunch of $$$ up front either

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> Yep.
>
> I'm actually looking at an EA, just have to find the time put the data
> together.
>
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 12:44,   wrote:
> > You should look into a select agreement...
> > --Original Message--
> > From: Kurt Buff
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: OT: Whining...
> > Sent: Jul 15, 2010 12:14
> >
> > We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license
> > version of SQL Server 2008.
> >
> > I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to
> > Provantage yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not
> > available anymore.
> >
> > They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.
> >
> > Ouch.
> >
> > Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the
> > moment, nor an EA, so we're buying box retail.
> >
> > We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.
> >
> > They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to pony
> > up for the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.
> >
> > Sigh.
> >
> > Just venting.
> >
> > Don't mind me...
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> > ~   ~
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>  > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> > ~   ~
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT: Whining...

[Kurt Buff]

Yep.

I'm actually looking at an EA, just have to find the time put the data together.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 12:44,   wrote:
> You should look into a select agreement...
> --Original Message--
> From: Kurt Buff
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: Whining...
> Sent: Jul 15, 2010 12:14
>
> We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license
> version of SQL Server 2008.
>
> I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to
> Provantage yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not
> available anymore.
>
> They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.
>
> Ouch.
>
> Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the
> moment, nor an EA, so we're buying box retail.
>
> We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.
>
> They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to pony
> up for the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.
>
> Sigh.
>
> Just venting.
>
> Don't mind me...
>
> Kurt
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT: Whining...

[Kurt Buff]

Box retail, single processor standard version, no CALS required.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 12:29, Richard Stovall  wrote:
> Which version?
>
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license
>> version of SQL Server 2008.
>>
>> I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to
>> Provantage yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not
>> available anymore.
>>
>> They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.
>>
>> Ouch.
>>
>> Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the
>> moment, nor an EA, so we're buying box retail.
>>
>> We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.
>>
>> They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to pony
>> up for the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.
>>
>> Sigh.
>>
>> Just venting.
>>
>> Don't mind me...
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Michael B. Smith]

Scalability.

Performance.

LOB app requirements.

Specific feature requirements.

Operating systems.

Etc.

I wrote an application for a customer that had to support three database 
platforms (Access [arguably not a real database, but still...], MySQL, and 
MS-SQL). It was a nightmare getting it all right. Differences in the way true 
and false were handled, null vs. not null, which attribute types CAN be null'ed 
and which can't, quoting requirements, sanitation of user input, creating keys 
and indices, differences in the ways JOINs and correlated subqueries work, 
. It likely would've killed my brain to add DB2 and Oracle, although I 
understand an in-house guy went on and did that based on my original 
implementation.

SQL is not "just SQL". Once you get past "SELECT * FROM TABLE", the variations 
begin...

Just like anything else - you learn a platform, get comfortable with it, and 
stick with it.

IMO, MS-SQL, Oracle, and DB2 are the "enterprise DB platforms" providing full 
support for clustering, mirroring, geographic dispersion, business 
intelligence, business analytics, reporting, etc. MySQL and PostgresSQL aren't 
bad - but they aren't (again, IMO) full blown business analytic platforms.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Whining...

Oracle...  ... No thank you.

But enlighten me: What are the advantages of various SQLs? Why doesn't the 
world kick MS SQL in the head and use free alternatives such as MySQL, Postgres 
and the like? Are there inherent advantages/disadvantages to SQL platforms? I 
would be interested in being less ignorant on the subject.

Complaining? Was I complaining? No, just wondering out loud. (sort-to-speak 
er... email. Whatever.)


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: don@gmail.com
To: NT System Admin
Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010
13:04:03 -0700
Subject: Re: Whining...


> Go look at what Oracle costs and then you can complain...  ;) Sent 
> from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:01:43
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> Subject: RE: Whining...
> 
>  and this is why I wonder why people don't develop for alternative 
> SQL solutions ... (MySQL anyone?)
> 
> But, I am not a programmer. Nor do I know or understand the real 
> differences between different flavors of SQL servers. To me, a database is a 
> database.
> Data goes in, and you pull data out.
> 
> 
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Cameron Cooper
> [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010
> 12:46:01 -0700
> Subject: RE: Whining...
> 
> 
> > Here ya on this one... we are looking to update our DB servers 
> > (hardware
> and
> > software)
> > 
> > - hardware - roughly $12,000 for two new servers
> > - software - SQL 2008 R2 enterprise - roughly $27,000 per processor 
> > (we
> need
> > unlimited CALs for our clients) x 4 processors in the new servers = 
> > boss
> and
> > ceo that pucker
> > 
> > I just work here.
> > 
> >_
> > Cameron Cooper
> > Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified  Aurico Reports, Inc
> > Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896  ccoo...@aurico.com | 
> >www.aurico.com
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Whining...
> > 
> > Have you thought about looking at a plan other than buying retail? 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Brian Desmond
> > br...@briandesmond.com
> > 
> > c   – 312.731.3132
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:15 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: OT: Whining...
> > 
> > We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license 
> > version of SQL Server 2008.
> > 
> > I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to 
> > Provantage yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not available 
> > anymore.
> > 
> > They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.
> > 
> > Ouch.
> > 
> > Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the 
> > moment,
> nor
> > an EA, so we're buying box retail.
> > 
> > We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.
> > 
> > They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to 
> > pony up
> for
> > the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.
> > 
> > Sigh.
> > 
> > Just venting.
> > 
> > Don't mind me...
> > 
> > 

RE: Whining...

[Rod Trent]

It's getting better, but yes, the biggest drawbacks are availability and link 
speed.

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Whining...

Azure isn't cheap. Performance isn't stellar for most SMORG IP connectivity.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Whining...

Why not just host the dbs in the Cloud?  Microsoft Azure is ready for db 
consumption and is Microsoft's preferred app to migrate.  Save money on 
hardware, software, management, etc.

-Original Message-
From: don@gmail.com [mailto:don@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Whining...

Go look at what Oracle costs and then you can complain...  ;) Sent from my 
Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:01:43
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Whining...

 and this is why I wonder why people don't develop for alternative SQL 
solutions ... (MySQL anyone?)

But, I am not a programmer. Nor do I know or understand the real differences 
between different flavors of SQL servers. To me, a database is a database. Data 
goes in, and you pull data out.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Cameron Cooper
[mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010
12:46:01 -0700
Subject: RE: Whining...


> Here ya on this one... we are looking to update our DB servers 
> (hardware and
> software)
> 
> - hardware - roughly $12,000 for two new servers
> - software - SQL 2008 R2 enterprise - roughly $27,000 per processor 
> (we need unlimited CALs for our clients) x 4 processors in the new 
> servers = boss and ceo that pucker
> 
> I just work here.
> 
>_
> Cameron Cooper
> Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified  Aurico Reports, Inc
> Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896  ccoo...@aurico.com | 
>www.aurico.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Whining...
> 
> Have you thought about looking at a plan other than buying retail? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> br...@briandesmond.com
> 
> c   – 312.731.3132
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:15 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: Whining...
> 
> We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license 
> version of SQL Server 2008.
> 
> I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to 
> Provantage yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not available 
> anymore.
> 
> They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.
> 
> Ouch.
> 
> Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the 
> moment, nor an EA, so we're buying box retail.
> 
> We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.
> 
> They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to pony 
> up for the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.
> 
> Sigh.
> 
> Just venting.
> 
> Don't mind me...
> 
> Kurt
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Michael B. Smith]

Azure isn't cheap. Performance isn't stellar for most SMORG IP connectivity.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Whining...

Why not just host the dbs in the Cloud?  Microsoft Azure is ready for db 
consumption and is Microsoft's preferred app to migrate.  Save money on 
hardware, software, management, etc.

-Original Message-
From: don@gmail.com [mailto:don@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Whining...

Go look at what Oracle costs and then you can complain...  ;) Sent from my 
Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:01:43
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Whining...

 and this is why I wonder why people don't develop for alternative SQL 
solutions ... (MySQL anyone?)

But, I am not a programmer. Nor do I know or understand the real differences 
between different flavors of SQL servers. To me, a database is a database. Data 
goes in, and you pull data out.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Cameron Cooper
[mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010
12:46:01 -0700
Subject: RE: Whining...


> Here ya on this one... we are looking to update our DB servers 
> (hardware and
> software)
> 
> - hardware - roughly $12,000 for two new servers
> - software - SQL 2008 R2 enterprise - roughly $27,000 per processor 
> (we need unlimited CALs for our clients) x 4 processors in the new 
> servers = boss and ceo that pucker
> 
> I just work here.
> 
>_
> Cameron Cooper
> Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified  Aurico Reports, Inc
> Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896  ccoo...@aurico.com | 
>www.aurico.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Whining...
> 
> Have you thought about looking at a plan other than buying retail? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> br...@briandesmond.com
> 
> c   – 312.731.3132
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:15 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: Whining...
> 
> We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license 
> version of SQL Server 2008.
> 
> I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to 
> Provantage yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not available 
> anymore.
> 
> They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.
> 
> Ouch.
> 
> Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the 
> moment, nor an EA, so we're buying box retail.
> 
> We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.
> 
> They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to pony 
> up for the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.
> 
> Sigh.
> 
> Just venting.
> 
> Don't mind me...
> 
> Kurt
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Whining...

[Kurt Buff]

If I had my druthers, it would be Postrgresql, but unfortunately this
is for a Windows app that requires a SQL 2k8 backend, for our
engineers.

Kurt

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 13:01, Matthew W. Ross  wrote:
> ... and this is why I wonder why people don't develop for alternative SQL 
> solutions ... (MySQL anyone?)
>
> But, I am not a programmer. Nor do I know or understand the real differences 
> between different flavors of SQL servers. To me, a database is a database. 
> Data goes in, and you pull data out.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Cameron Cooper
> [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010
> 12:46:01 -0700
> Subject: RE: Whining...
>
>
>> Here ya on this one... we are looking to update our DB servers (hardware and
>> software)
>>
>> - hardware - roughly $12,000 for two new servers
>> - software - SQL 2008 R2 enterprise - roughly $27,000 per processor (we need
>> unlimited CALs for our clients) x 4 processors in the new servers = boss and
>> ceo that pucker
>>
>> I just work here.
>>
>> _
>> Cameron Cooper
>> Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified
>> Aurico Reports, Inc
>> Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896
>> ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Whining...
>>
>> Have you thought about looking at a plan other than buying retail?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian Desmond
>> br...@briandesmond.com
>>
>> c   – 312.731.3132
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:15 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: OT: Whining...
>>
>> We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license version
>> of SQL Server 2008.
>>
>> I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to Provantage
>> yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not available anymore.
>>
>> They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.
>>
>> Ouch.
>>
>> Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the moment, nor
>> an EA, so we're buying box retail.
>>
>> We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.
>>
>> They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to pony up for
>> the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.
>>
>> Sigh.
>>
>> Just venting.
>>
>> Don't mind me...
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>>   ~
>>
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Phillip Partipilo  wrote:
>>> these guys never heard of flipping the
>>> CMOS reset jumper and booting a pnordahl disc.
>>
>> That's why you're required to audit the system regularly.
>
> The security seal on the case would really be the only giveaway.

  The BIOS password would suddenly be gone or different.

  I presume the attacker is booting the pnordahl disc to reset the
password on a privileged account, so they can then login and do bad
things.  That would leave traces in the audit log unless the attacker
is *very* good.  Rather than going to that kind of effort, I would
expect the attacker to boot his own OS and copy the drive or selected
data, like you later said.

> There is no specific requirement for full disk encryption AFAIK
> as long as the data is in a GSA approved security container (and
> probably for good reason - disgruntled sysadmin syndrome perhaps).

  There's no requirement for encryption of local hard disks in NISPOM
2006.  Indeed, that concept isn't addressed at all.  I don't think any
follow-on ISL has changed that.  I suspect that would be because any
such system would have to be approved ("Evaluated") by the NSA, and I
don't think anything for the pee sea world has passed muster yet.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Whining...

[Kurt Buff]

Absolutely. I'm gathering data to try to convince management to get us
to an EA - I just need the world to slow down enough so that I can
catch my breath and get it done. I think the case will make itself.


Kurt

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 12:32, Brian Desmond  wrote:
> Have you thought about looking at a plan other than buying retail?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> br...@briandesmond.com
>
> c   – 312.731.3132
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:15 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: Whining...
>
> We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license version of 
> SQL Server 2008.
>
> I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to Provantage 
> yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not available anymore.
>
> They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.
>
> Ouch.
>
> Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the moment, nor 
> an EA, so we're buying box retail.
>
> We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.
>
> They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to pony up for 
> the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.
>
> Sigh.
>
> Just venting.
>
> Don't mind me...
>
> Kurt
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[Andrew S. Baker]

I've got a lot, but you have me beat. :)

And yes, I also use a password management tool.

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker


On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

> I just went and looked.
>
>
>
> Personally, I have 186 _*different*_ passwords for the various websites
> and applications I use.
>
>
>
> For my customers, I have 238.
>
>
>
> No way I could remember all of those. I use a password management
> application.
>
>
>
> Shooky sets all of his passwords to assw0rdpay
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2010 11:11 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?
>
>
>
> Awesome.
>
>
>
> Shook
>
>
>
> *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:52 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?
>
>
>
> I write them in pig-latin so they are upersay ecretsay.
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:47 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Passwords on paper? Seriously?
>
>
>
> I’m weirder than I thought, it would NEVER occur to me to tell someone to
> have **any** password on paper ANYWHERE, but apparently some security guys
> don’t have a problem with it:
>
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20010621-245.html?tag=mncol;title
>
>
>
> 99% of the passwords I have to remember are for things I access via
> computer so I have a password mgmt app (KeePass). I have 2-3 other codes
> (door codes mainly) that I store in my head. Maybe I just don’t have enough
> non-PC-based passwords to worry about?
>
>
>
> How many of you (oops I mean know someone) who actually write down
> passwords on a piece of paper?
>
> *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> (Desk) 971.222.1025 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Whining...

[Andrew S. Baker]

Here are some articles, quite a few of them old, which outline a few
differences between the platforms:

   - http://www.mssqlcity.com/Articles/Compare/sql_server_vs_mysql.htm
   -
   
http://www.postgresonline.com/journal/index.php?/archives/51-Cross-Compare-of-SQL-Server,-MySQL,-and-PostgreSQL.html
   - http://www.isql.org/2007/02/mysql-vs-sybase-ms-sql-server.html
   -
   
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_relational_database_management_systems


It all
depends on what you are trying to accomplish...

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker
 Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...


On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Matthew W. Ross
wrote:

> Oracle...  ... No thank you.
>
> But enlighten me: What are the advantages of various SQLs? Why doesn't the
> world kick MS SQL in the head and use free alternatives such as MySQL,
> Postgres and the like? Are there inherent advantages/disadvantages to SQL
> platforms? I would be interested in being less ignorant on the subject.
>
> Complaining? Was I complaining? No, just wondering out loud.
> (sort-to-speak er... email. Whatever.)
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: don@gmail.com
> To: NT System Admin
> Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010
> 13:04:03 -0700
> Subject: Re: Whining...
>
>
> > Go look at what Oracle costs and then you can complain...  ;)
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
> > Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:01:43
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> > Subject: RE: Whining...
> >
> >  and this is why I wonder why people don't develop for alternative
> SQL
> > solutions ... (MySQL anyone?)
> >
> > But, I am not a programmer. Nor do I know or understand the real
> differences
> > between different flavors of SQL servers. To me, a database is a
> database.
> > Data goes in, and you pull data out.
> >
> >
> > --Matt Ross
> > Ephrata School District
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Cameron Cooper
> > [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> > Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010
> > 12:46:01 -0700
> > Subject: RE: Whining...
> >
> >
> > > Here ya on this one... we are looking to update our DB servers
> (hardware
> > and
> > > software)
> > >
> > > - hardware - roughly $12,000 for two new servers
> > > - software - SQL 2008 R2 enterprise - roughly $27,000 per processor (we
> > need
> > > unlimited CALs for our clients) x 4 processors in the new servers =
> boss
> > and
> > > ceo that pucker
> > >
> > > I just work here.
> > >
> > >_
> > > Cameron Cooper
> > > Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified
> > > Aurico Reports, Inc
> > > Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896
> > > ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: RE: Whining...
> > >
> > > Have you thought about looking at a plan other than buying retail?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Brian Desmond
> > > br...@briandesmond.com
> > >
> > > c   – 312.731.3132
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:15 PM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: OT: Whining...
> > >
> > > We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license
> version
> > > of SQL Server 2008.
> > >
> > > I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to
> Provantage
> > > yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not available
> anymore.
> > >
> > > They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.
> > >
> > > Ouch.
> > >
> > > Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the
> moment,
> > nor
> > > an EA, so we're buying box retail.
> > >
> > > We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.
> > >
> > > They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to pony
> up
> > for
> > > the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.
> > >
> > > Sigh.
> > >
> > > Just venting.
> > >
> > > Don't mind me...
> > >
> > > Kurt
> > >
> > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
> > >   ~
> > >
> > >
> > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> > > ~   ~
> > >
> > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> > > ~   ~
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> > ~ 

RE: Whining...

[Brian Desmond]

Can you get the perf you need out of a 2 socket box with six cores each?

What features are you using in the Enterprise SKU? 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   – 312.731.3132


-Original Message-
From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Whining...

Here ya on this one... we are looking to update our DB servers (hardware and 
software)

- hardware - roughly $12,000 for two new servers
- software - SQL 2008 R2 enterprise - roughly $27,000 per processor (we need 
unlimited CALs for our clients) x 4 processors in the new servers = boss and 
ceo that pucker

I just work here.

_
Cameron Cooper
Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified Aurico Reports, Inc
Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896
ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com


-Original Message-
From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Whining...

Have you thought about looking at a plan other than buying retail? 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   – 312.731.3132


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Whining...

We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license version of 
SQL Server 2008.

I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to Provantage 
yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not available anymore.

They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.

Ouch.

Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the moment, nor an 
EA, so we're buying box retail.

We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.

They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to pony up for 
the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.

Sigh.

Just venting.

Don't mind me...

Kurt

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Whining...

[Andrew S. Baker]

Indeed!!

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker


On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 4:04 PM,  wrote:

> Go look at what Oracle costs and then you can complain...  ;)
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:01:43
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Subject:
> RE: Whining...
>
>  and this is why I wonder why people don't develop for alternative SQL
> solutions ... (MySQL anyone?)
>
> But, I am not a programmer. Nor do I know or understand the real
> differences between different flavors of SQL servers. To me, a database is a
> database. Data goes in, and you pull data out.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Cameron Cooper
> [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010
> 12:46:01 -0700
> Subject: RE: Whining...
>
>
> > Here ya on this one... we are looking to update our DB servers (hardware
> and
> > software)
> >
> > - hardware - roughly $12,000 for two new servers
> > - software - SQL 2008 R2 enterprise - roughly $27,000 per processor (we
> need
> > unlimited CALs for our clients) x 4 processors in the new servers = boss
> and
> > ceo that pucker
> >
> > I just work here.
> >
> >_
> > Cameron Cooper
> > Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified
> > Aurico Reports, Inc
> > Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896
> > ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Whining...
> >
> > Have you thought about looking at a plan other than buying retail?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brian Desmond
> > br...@briandesmond.com
> >
> > c   – 312.731.3132
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:15 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: OT: Whining...
> >
> > We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license
> version
> > of SQL Server 2008.
> >
> > I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to
> Provantage
> > yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not available anymore.
> >
> > They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.
> >
> > Ouch.
> >
> > Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the moment,
> nor
> > an EA, so we're buying box retail.
> >
> > We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.
> >
> > They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to pony up
> for
> > the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.
> >
> > Sigh.
> >
> > Just venting.
> >
> > Don't mind me...
> >
> > Kurt
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Whining...

[Matthew W. Ross]

Oracle...  ... No thank you.

But enlighten me: What are the advantages of various SQLs? Why doesn't the 
world kick MS SQL in the head and use free alternatives such as MySQL, Postgres 
and the like? Are there inherent advantages/disadvantages to SQL platforms? I 
would be interested in being less ignorant on the subject.

Complaining? Was I complaining? No, just wondering out loud. (sort-to-speak 
er... email. Whatever.)


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: don@gmail.com
To: NT System Admin
Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010
13:04:03 -0700
Subject: Re: Whining...


> Go look at what Oracle costs and then you can complain...  ;)
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:01:43 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues"
> Subject: RE: Whining...
> 
>  and this is why I wonder why people don't develop for alternative SQL
> solutions ... (MySQL anyone?)
> 
> But, I am not a programmer. Nor do I know or understand the real differences
> between different flavors of SQL servers. To me, a database is a database.
> Data goes in, and you pull data out.
> 
> 
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Cameron Cooper
> [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010
> 12:46:01 -0700
> Subject: RE: Whining...
> 
> 
> > Here ya on this one... we are looking to update our DB servers (hardware
> and
> > software)
> > 
> > - hardware - roughly $12,000 for two new servers
> > - software - SQL 2008 R2 enterprise - roughly $27,000 per processor (we
> need
> > unlimited CALs for our clients) x 4 processors in the new servers = boss
> and
> > ceo that pucker
> > 
> > I just work here.
> > 
> >_
> > Cameron Cooper
> > Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified
> > Aurico Reports, Inc
> > Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896
> > ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Whining...
> > 
> > Have you thought about looking at a plan other than buying retail? 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Brian Desmond
> > br...@briandesmond.com
> > 
> > c   – 312.731.3132
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:15 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: OT: Whining...
> > 
> > We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license version
> > of SQL Server 2008.
> > 
> > I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to Provantage
> > yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not available anymore.
> > 
> > They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.
> > 
> > Ouch.
> > 
> > Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the moment,
> nor
> > an EA, so we're buying box retail.
> > 
> > We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.
> > 
> > They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to pony up
> for
> > the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.
> > 
> > Sigh.
> > 
> > Just venting.
> > 
> > Don't mind me...
> > 
> > Kurt
> > 
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
> >   ~
> > 
> > 
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> > ~   ~
> > 
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> > ~   ~
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Rod Trent]

Why not just host the dbs in the Cloud?  Microsoft Azure is ready for db 
consumption and is Microsoft's preferred app to migrate.  Save money on 
hardware, software, management, etc.

-Original Message-
From: don@gmail.com [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Whining...

Go look at what Oracle costs and then you can complain...  ;) Sent from my 
Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:01:43
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Whining...

 and this is why I wonder why people don't develop for alternative SQL 
solutions ... (MySQL anyone?)

But, I am not a programmer. Nor do I know or understand the real differences 
between different flavors of SQL servers. To me, a database is a database. Data 
goes in, and you pull data out.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Cameron Cooper
[mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010
12:46:01 -0700
Subject: RE: Whining...


> Here ya on this one... we are looking to update our DB servers 
> (hardware and
> software)
> 
> - hardware - roughly $12,000 for two new servers
> - software - SQL 2008 R2 enterprise - roughly $27,000 per processor 
> (we need unlimited CALs for our clients) x 4 processors in the new 
> servers = boss and ceo that pucker
> 
> I just work here.
> 
>_
> Cameron Cooper
> Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified  Aurico Reports, Inc
> Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896  ccoo...@aurico.com | 
>www.aurico.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Whining...
> 
> Have you thought about looking at a plan other than buying retail? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> br...@briandesmond.com
> 
> c   – 312.731.3132
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:15 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: Whining...
> 
> We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license 
> version of SQL Server 2008.
> 
> I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to 
> Provantage yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not available 
> anymore.
> 
> They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.
> 
> Ouch.
> 
> Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the 
> moment, nor an EA, so we're buying box retail.
> 
> We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.
> 
> They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to pony 
> up for the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.
> 
> Sigh.
> 
> Just venting.
> 
> Don't mind me...
> 
> Kurt
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Power meter

[Raper, Jonathan - Eagle]

Kill-a-watt (I've got one - its ok, but leaves a LOT to be desired) and 
Watts-up Pro (never used one, but I've heard of it) might be great for 
measuring operating current, however if you have a large number of devices, 
beware the sum total Inrush current requirement. I doubt those two devices are 
sophisticated/sensitive enough to account for Inrush current (in fact, I know 
the Kill-a-watt doesn't do it in a way that you can record it).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inrush_current

When it comes to measuring power, if you're serious, you need something along 
the lines of a Fluke 330 series clamp meter, IMHO.

http://www.myflukestore.com/crm_uploads/making_accurate_inrush_current_measurements.pdf

Just my $0.02.


Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.commailto:%20jra...@eaglemds.com>
www.eaglemds.comhttp://www.eaglemds.com/>


From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:p...@psnet.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 3:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Power meter

Kill-a-watt - http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7657/



Phillip Partipilo
Parametric Solutions Inc.
Jupiter, Florida
(561) 747-6107


From: Adam Meixler [mailto:ad...@interlink1.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Power meter

Hi all,

I know this has been asked a million times but haven't found it in the archive.

We need to size a new UPS. Any suggestions on how to get accurate readings for 
our current power consumption?

Thank you!










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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Ziots, Edward]

+1, Oracle is like insanely expensive for Per-Processor Licensing (Especially 
multi-Core systems), so SQL is cheap in comparison...

Z

Edward E. Ziots
CISSP, Network +, Security +
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Email:ezi...@lifespan.org
Cell:401-639-3505


-Original Message-
From: don@gmail.com [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Whining...

Go look at what Oracle costs and then you can complain...  ;)
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:01:43 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Whining...

 and this is why I wonder why people don't develop for alternative SQL 
solutions ... (MySQL anyone?)

But, I am not a programmer. Nor do I know or understand the real differences 
between different flavors of SQL servers. To me, a database is a database. Data 
goes in, and you pull data out.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Cameron Cooper
[mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010
12:46:01 -0700
Subject: RE: Whining...


> Here ya on this one... we are looking to update our DB servers (hardware and
> software)
> 
> - hardware - roughly $12,000 for two new servers
> - software - SQL 2008 R2 enterprise - roughly $27,000 per processor (we need
> unlimited CALs for our clients) x 4 processors in the new servers = boss and
> ceo that pucker
> 
> I just work here.
> 
>_
> Cameron Cooper
> Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified
> Aurico Reports, Inc
> Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896
> ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Whining...
> 
> Have you thought about looking at a plan other than buying retail? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> br...@briandesmond.com
> 
> c   – 312.731.3132
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:15 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: Whining...
> 
> We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license version
> of SQL Server 2008.
> 
> I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to Provantage
> yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not available anymore.
> 
> They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.
> 
> Ouch.
> 
> Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the moment, nor
> an EA, so we're buying box retail.
> 
> We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.
> 
> They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to pony up for
> the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.
> 
> Sigh.
> 
> Just venting.
> 
> Don't mind me...
> 
> Kurt
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>   ~
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Whining...

[don . ely]

Go look at what Oracle costs and then you can complain...  ;)
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Matthew W. Ross" 
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:01:43 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Whining...

 and this is why I wonder why people don't develop for alternative SQL 
solutions ... (MySQL anyone?)

But, I am not a programmer. Nor do I know or understand the real differences 
between different flavors of SQL servers. To me, a database is a database. Data 
goes in, and you pull data out.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Cameron Cooper
[mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010
12:46:01 -0700
Subject: RE: Whining...


> Here ya on this one... we are looking to update our DB servers (hardware and
> software)
> 
> - hardware - roughly $12,000 for two new servers
> - software - SQL 2008 R2 enterprise - roughly $27,000 per processor (we need
> unlimited CALs for our clients) x 4 processors in the new servers = boss and
> ceo that pucker
> 
> I just work here.
> 
>_
> Cameron Cooper
> Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified
> Aurico Reports, Inc
> Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896
> ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Whining...
> 
> Have you thought about looking at a plan other than buying retail? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> br...@briandesmond.com
> 
> c   – 312.731.3132
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:15 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: Whining...
> 
> We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license version
> of SQL Server 2008.
> 
> I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to Provantage
> yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not available anymore.
> 
> They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.
> 
> Ouch.
> 
> Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the moment, nor
> an EA, so we're buying box retail.
> 
> We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.
> 
> They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to pony up for
> the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.
> 
> Sigh.
> 
> Just venting.
> 
> Don't mind me...
> 
> Kurt
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>   ~
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Matthew W. Ross]

... and this is why I wonder why people don't develop for alternative SQL 
solutions ... (MySQL anyone?)

But, I am not a programmer. Nor do I know or understand the real differences 
between different flavors of SQL servers. To me, a database is a database. Data 
goes in, and you pull data out.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Cameron Cooper
[mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010
12:46:01 -0700
Subject: RE: Whining...


> Here ya on this one... we are looking to update our DB servers (hardware and
> software)
> 
> - hardware - roughly $12,000 for two new servers
> - software - SQL 2008 R2 enterprise - roughly $27,000 per processor (we need
> unlimited CALs for our clients) x 4 processors in the new servers = boss and
> ceo that pucker
> 
> I just work here.
> 
> _
> Cameron Cooper
> Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified
> Aurico Reports, Inc
> Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896
> ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Whining...
> 
> Have you thought about looking at a plan other than buying retail? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> br...@briandesmond.com
> 
> c   – 312.731.3132
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:15 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: Whining...
> 
> We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license version
> of SQL Server 2008.
> 
> I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to Provantage
> yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not available anymore.
> 
> They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.
> 
> Ouch.
> 
> Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the moment, nor
> an EA, so we're buying box retail.
> 
> We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.
> 
> They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to pony up for
> the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.
> 
> Sigh.
> 
> Just venting.
> 
> Don't mind me...
> 
> Kurt
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>   ~
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: SQL Server Express 2008

[Jon Harris]

That is one thing about SQL I am not missing.  Installing an instance
instead of adding an instance.

Jon

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Roger Wright  wrote:

> I think I figured it out.  I had to select "Perform a new
> installation" even though I had an existing instance.  Not very
> intuitive, but okay now...
>
>
> Die dulci fruere!
>
> Roger Wright
> ___
>
>
>
>
>  On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Roger Wright  wrote:
> > Just trying to add another db to the installed instance.
> >
> >
> > Die dulci fruere!
> >
> > Roger Wright
> > ___
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:41 AM, David Mazzaccaro
> >  wrote:
> >> If you are going to install this because Sunbelt tech support says you
> need
> >> it to manage remote update servers... you don't.
> >> At least I didn't.
> >>
> >> Anyway... Here are the 3 easy steps that I took...
> >>
> >> On the Vipre Remote Update Server:
> >>
> >> 1) Windows Firewall > Open ports: UDP 1434 and TCP 1433.
> >>
> >> 2) Start>programs>Microsoft SQL Server 2005>Configuration Tools>SQL
> Server
> >> Configuration Manager Navigate to "Protocols for SUNBELT", right click
> on
> >> TCP/IP, go to properties, IP Addresses tab, under IPALL, TCP Dynamic
> Ports
> >> should be , TCP Port = 1433
> >>
> >> 3) REBOOT
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >> From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 11:36 AM
> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> Subject: Re: SQL Server Express 2008
> >>
> >> SQLManagementStudio_x64_ENU.exe doesn't work?  Weird.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Roger Wright 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm running VIPRE on a Server 2008 R2 (64) box running SQL Server
> >>> Express 2008 (64).  I can't seem to locate the appropriate SQL
> >>> Management Studio package to allow managing the installed instance,
> >>> adding additional databases, etc.
> >>>
> >>> I've tried this but am told it's not compatible:
> >>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/pq6hx6
> >>>
> >>> Any guidance?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Die dulci fruere!
> >>>
> >>> Roger Wright
> >>> ___
> >>>
> >>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> >>> ~   ~
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> .
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> > ~   ~
> >
> >
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[Phillip Partipilo]

The security seal on the case would really be the only giveaway.  Nothing 
preventing you from cloning the drive and working off the clone I suppose.  
There is no specific requirement for full disk encryption AFAIK as long as the 
data is in a GSA approved security container (and probably for good reason - 
disgruntled sysadmin syndrome perhaps).




Phillip Partipilo
Parametric Solutions Inc.
Jupiter, Florida
(561) 747-6107



-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Phillip Partipilo  wrote:
> We were told by the DSS to keep a log of master system passwords in the
> security container (safe).  Which is kind of irrelevant in our situation since
> we have standalone systems, and these guys never heard of flipping the
> CMOS reset jumper and booting a pnordahl disc.

  That's why you're required to audit the system regularly.  That kind
of intrusion leaves tracks.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Power meter

[Greg Olson]

I use a clamp meter
http://www.tequipment.net/Extech380976.html

Works across many different circuit types and is easy to use. Measure power 
from a single machine or from the end of a power strip.

From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:p...@psnet.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 12:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Power meter

Kill-a-watt - http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7657/



Phillip Partipilo
Parametric Solutions Inc.
Jupiter, Florida
(561) 747-6107


From: Adam Meixler [mailto:ad...@interlink1.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Power meter

Hi all,

I know this has been asked a million times but haven't found it in the archive.

We need to size a new UPS. Any suggestions on how to get accurate readings for 
our current power consumption?

Thank you!









~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Cameron Cooper]

Here ya on this one... we are looking to update our DB servers (hardware and 
software)

- hardware - roughly $12,000 for two new servers
- software - SQL 2008 R2 enterprise - roughly $27,000 per processor (we need 
unlimited CALs for our clients) x 4 processors in the new servers = boss and 
ceo that pucker

I just work here.

_
Cameron Cooper
Network Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified
Aurico Reports, Inc
Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896
ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com


-Original Message-
From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Whining...

Have you thought about looking at a plan other than buying retail? 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   – 312.731.3132


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Whining...

We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license version of 
SQL Server 2008.

I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to Provantage 
yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not available anymore.

They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.

Ouch.

Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the moment, nor an 
EA, so we're buying box retail.

We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.

They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to pony up for 
the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.

Sigh.

Just venting.

Don't mind me...

Kurt

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT: Whining...

[don . ely]

You should look into a select agreement...
--Original Message--
From: Kurt Buff
To: NT System Admin Issues
ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Whining...
Sent: Jul 15, 2010 12:14

We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license
version of SQL Server 2008.

I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to
Provantage yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not
available anymore.

They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.

Ouch.

Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the
moment, nor an EA, so we're buying box retail.

We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.

They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to pony
up for the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.

Sigh.

Just venting.

Don't mind me...

Kurt

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Whining...

[Brian Desmond]

Have you thought about looking at a plan other than buying retail? 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   – 312.731.3132


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Whining...

We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license version of 
SQL Server 2008.

I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to Provantage 
yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not available anymore.

They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.

Ouch.

Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the moment, nor an 
EA, so we're buying box retail.

We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.

They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to pony up for 
the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.

Sigh.

Just venting.

Don't mind me...

Kurt

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Power meter

[Phillip Partipilo]

Kill-a-watt - http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7657/



Phillip Partipilo
Parametric Solutions Inc.
Jupiter, Florida
(561) 747-6107


From: Adam Meixler [mailto:ad...@interlink1.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Power meter

Hi all,

I know this has been asked a million times but haven't found it in the archive.

We need to size a new UPS. Any suggestions on how to get accurate readings for 
our current power consumption?

Thank you!





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT: Whining...

[Richard Stovall]

Which version?

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license
> version of SQL Server 2008.
>
> I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to
> Provantage yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not
> available anymore.
>
> They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.
>
> Ouch.
>
> Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the
> moment, nor an EA, so we're buying box retail.
>
> We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.
>
> They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to pony
> up for the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.
>
> Sigh.
>
> Just venting.
>
> Don't mind me...
>
> Kurt
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Phillip Partipilo  wrote:
> We were told by the DSS to keep a log of master system passwords in the
> security container (safe).  Which is kind of irrelevant in our situation since
> we have standalone systems, and these guys never heard of flipping the
> CMOS reset jumper and booting a pnordahl disc.

  That's why you're required to audit the system regularly.  That kind
of intrusion leaves tracks.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming
 wrote:
> Switching to a new phone is going to be
> a major PITA as neither of them is available on Android.

  I'm with you there (still have a Centro).  Have you tried a WebOS
phone (Pre, etc.) with the PalmOS emulator that's supposed to be out
now?

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Power meter

[Bob Hartung]

I use a measuring "Watts Up? Pro" meter from www.wattsupmeters.com.

The benefit of using a meter is you can get the power usage for a total system 
(monitor, printer etc.) or just one thing. You can also monitor as long as you 
want so you can get a good average.

The only downside is you have to down the sytsem, plug it into the meter, get 
your readings and then down the system again to hook things back up the way 
they were originally.

Max Watts: 1800 (120 v, 15 amp)


--

Bob Hartung
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

From: Adam Meixler [mailto:ad...@interlink1.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:33:07 -0500
Subject: Power meter




Hi all, 

 

I know this has been asked a million times but haven’t found it in the archive.

 

We need to size a new UPS. Any suggestions on how to get accurate readings for 
our current power consumption?

 

Thank you!  

   

  

   


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

OT: Whining...

[Kurt Buff]

We got a quote last week from Provantage for a single-proc license
version of SQL Server 2008.

I put in the PR on Tuesday, my purchasing person gets the PO to
Provantage yesterday, and they kick it back today saying it's not
available anymore.

They're only selling R2, which, for this version, is $2000.00 more.

Ouch.

Worse, we're not under any kind of Open License agreement at the
moment, nor an EA, so we're buying box retail.

We're checking with another vendor to see if they have it in stock.

They probably don't, so I'll have to go to our COO to ask him to pony
up for the new version, and I'm sure he's not going to be happy.

Sigh.

Just venting.

Don't mind me...

Kurt

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[Phillip Partipilo]

We were told by the DSS to keep a log of master system passwords in the 
security container (safe).  Which is kind of irrelevant in our situation since 
we have standalone systems, and these guys never heard of flipping the CMOS 
reset jumper and booting a pnordahl disc.



Phillip Partipilo
Parametric Solutions Inc.
Jupiter, Florida
(561) 747-6107


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:47 AM, David Lum  wrote:
> I'm weirder than I thought, it would NEVER occur to me to tell someone to
> have *any* password on paper ANYWHERE, but apparently some security guys
> don't have a problem with it:

  For shared/system passwords, we keep many of them on paper logs in
locked cabinets or safes.  (Some in sealed, signed envelopes.)  An air
gap is still the best firewall.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 15 Jul 2010 at 15:14, Michael B. Smith  wrote:

> No way I could remember all of those. I use a password management
> application. 

+1 here ... encrypted password database in my Palm phone, synced to encrypted 
copy on my laptop.  I export to a memo in the phone or print to a TXT file or 
PDF if I need to give them to clients.

I have two business-critical phone apps, my time-and-billing and this password 
database.  Having both apps available on the phone (which is always with me) 
and on my work computer is a blessing.  Switching to a new phone is going to be 
a major PITA as neither of them is available on Android.  I have seen a 
password app, SplashID, that I may switch to on my Android when I get one, 
still looking for a good time-and-billing app that syncs to and from an Android 
phone to a PC without going through a GMail account or requiring you to keep 
your data online on someone else's server.

--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Anyone ever do a UBCD4Win with the PGP plugin instructions?

[Jonathan Link]

Nevermind, PEBKAC.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Jonathan Link wrote:

>   I'm having trouble getting it to work, and was wondering if anyone else
> on this list had invented this wheel.
>
> I've followed the "instructions" I've found via Google Technical Support,
> but haven't been successful.  The UBCD4Win builds, but I am unable to launch
> PGPwde when I boot from the CD.
>
> Thanks,
> Jonathan
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[Kurt Buff]

Nice!

Definitely putting that in my toolbox.

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:57, Richard Stovall  wrote:
> As they say, "+1" for Bullzip as a company.
> Their MD5 utility adds the ability to calculate an MD5 sum from the
> right-click context menu in Windows.  I use it darn near every day.
> http://www.bullzip.com/products/md5/info.php
>
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Ralph Smith 
> wrote:
>>
>> One problem I had with CutePDF a while back was that it would only save
>> files to your local hard drive.  That may have changed now.
>>
>> I've tried some different ones of these types of programs, and the one
>> I've had the best results with is Bullzip PDF Printer.
>>
>> http://www.bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php
>>
>> One other reason I like it is that it works well on a terminal server,
>> which not all of them seem to do.  No nagware or toolbar.
>>
>> I'm sure everybody has their favorites.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
>> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?
>> >
>> > One nice feature it had was the ability to install with GP as an .msi
>> > though that has been removed. You can also install it on a print
>> server so
>> > users can just map to it. The "malware" toolbar is fairly annoying
>> though
>> > you can choose not to install it. I do think "malware" may be a bit
>> strong
>> > in this case, though I'm open to being proven wrong. I think of it
>> more as
>> > "nagware".
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:27 PM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?
>> >
>> > What does pdfcreator do for you that CutePDF-free doesn't do? (Other
>> than
>> > install a malware toolbar?)
>> >
>> > PDF-Xchange looks very promising. Thanks Ralph.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Michael B. Smith
>> > Consultant and Exchange MVP
>> > http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:20 PM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Ralph Smith
>> 
>> > wrote:
>> > > Or somebody scans in a paper form to PDF and emails it you...
>> >
>> >   I've caught people here printing something out only to scan it right
>> > back in.  I resist the urge to beat them mercilessly and instead
>> introduce
>> > them to PDFCreator.
>> >
>> > > I use PDF-XChange Viewer which lets you click and type anywhere on
>> the
>> > > PDF and save it with the additions, then email it back.
>> >
>> >   That would be very handy.  I'll have to check that out.  In my
>> copious
>> > free time.  :)
>> >
>> > -- Ben
>> >
>> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>> >   ~
>> >
>> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> > ~   ~
>> >
>> >
>> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> > ~   ~
>>
>> Confidentiality Notice:
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential
>> information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is
>> addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication by
>> anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are
>> not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email, delete
>> and destroy all copies of the original message.
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[Richard Stovall]

As they say, "+1" for Bullzip as a company.

Their MD5 utility adds the ability to calculate an MD5 sum from the
right-click context menu in Windows.  I use it darn near every day.

http://www.bullzip.com/products/md5/info.php

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Ralph Smith wrote:

>
> One problem I had with CutePDF a while back was that it would only save
> files to your local hard drive.  That may have changed now.
>
> I've tried some different ones of these types of programs, and the one
> I've had the best results with is Bullzip PDF Printer.
>
> http://www.bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php
>
> One other reason I like it is that it works well on a terminal server,
> which not all of them seem to do.  No nagware or toolbar.
>
> I'm sure everybody has their favorites.
>
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?
> >
> > One nice feature it had was the ability to install with GP as an .msi
> > though that has been removed. You can also install it on a print
> server so
> > users can just map to it. The "malware" toolbar is fairly annoying
> though
> > you can choose not to install it. I do think "malware" may be a bit
> strong
> > in this case, though I'm open to being proven wrong. I think of it
> more as
> > "nagware".
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:27 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?
> >
> > What does pdfcreator do for you that CutePDF-free doesn't do? (Other
> than
> > install a malware toolbar?)
> >
> > PDF-Xchange looks very promising. Thanks Ralph.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael B. Smith
> > Consultant and Exchange MVP
> > http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:20 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Ralph Smith
> 
> > wrote:
> > > Or somebody scans in a paper form to PDF and emails it you...
> >
> >   I've caught people here printing something out only to scan it right
> > back in.  I resist the urge to beat them mercilessly and instead
> introduce
> > them to PDFCreator.
> >
> > > I use PDF-XChange Viewer which lets you click and type anywhere on
> the
> > > PDF and save it with the additions, then email it back.
> >
> >   That would be very handy.  I'll have to check that out.  In my
> copious
> > free time.  :)
> >
> > -- Ben
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
> >   ~
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> > ~   ~
> >
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> > ~   ~
>
> Confidentiality Notice:
>
> --
>
>
>
> This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential
> information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is
> addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication by
> anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are
> not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email, delete
> and destroy all copies of the original message.
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> What does pdfcreator do for you that CutePDF-free doesn't do?

  Never tried CutePDF.  For all I know, they're functionally
identical.  Some time back, someone suggested PDFCreator, we evaluated
it, it did the job very well, so we went with it.

  I do note that the CutePDF website says you have to download and
install GhostScript separately, so PDFCreator was a bit easier to
install on that front.

> (Other than install a malware toolbar?)

  I've never installed the toolbar so I wouldn't know about that.  As
I recall, there was a fairly obvious option to install it or not.  The
installer easily exposes the option to not install it for an
unattended install, and we've been using that for quite some time now.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT: Outlook 2002/Word oddity

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 15 Jul 2010 at 11:00, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle  wrote:

> I'll agree with you Ben, but Angus is saying that the email fails to send
> when it looks like that...
> 
> Angus - are they actually typing the email within word or within Outlook,
> which has Word defined as the email editor?

Within Word.  And we have the same problem if we type the entire address 
instead of choosing the NK2 version.

> Also, are both Word and Outlook fully up to date with patches and updates
> from M$?

Remote home user with automagic updates on, so I believe they're current.  I 
ran Windows Updates manually and it only found this month's patches (one of 
which was for Outlook).  Did not take the time to download and run MBSA nor did 
I run Secunia's Online Inspector, which will report on missing patches.

One additional thing: when I first started helping this user, his Outlook was 
running in Offline mode only because the machine couldn't find the Exchange 
server for his profile.  I added an Internet email profile connecting to his 
Comcast POP mail and removed the Exchange profile and after that he was able to 
send and receive the test message, and all his waiting Comcast mail came in.  

Also, *_replies_* to messages in the Inbox work fine, even though they also use 
Word as the OL editor.  When you click "Send", they go into the Outbox and 
disappear after they are sent automatically a few seconds later.

--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[Ralph Smith]

One problem I had with CutePDF a while back was that it would only save
files to your local hard drive.  That may have changed now.

I've tried some different ones of these types of programs, and the one
I've had the best results with is Bullzip PDF Printer.

http://www.bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php

One other reason I like it is that it works well on a terminal server,
which not all of them seem to do.  No nagware or toolbar.

I'm sure everybody has their favorites.

 


> -Original Message-
> From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?
> 
> One nice feature it had was the ability to install with GP as an .msi
> though that has been removed. You can also install it on a print
server so
> users can just map to it. The "malware" toolbar is fairly annoying
though
> you can choose not to install it. I do think "malware" may be a bit
strong
> in this case, though I'm open to being proven wrong. I think of it
more as
> "nagware".
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:27 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?
> 
> What does pdfcreator do for you that CutePDF-free doesn't do? (Other
than
> install a malware toolbar?)
> 
> PDF-Xchange looks very promising. Thanks Ralph.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:20 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?
> 
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Ralph Smith

> wrote:
> > Or somebody scans in a paper form to PDF and emails it you...
> 
>   I've caught people here printing something out only to scan it right
> back in.  I resist the urge to beat them mercilessly and instead
introduce
> them to PDFCreator.
> 
> > I use PDF-XChange Viewer which lets you click and type anywhere on
the
> > PDF and save it with the additions, then email it back.
> 
>   That would be very handy.  I'll have to check that out.  In my
copious
> free time.  :)
> 
> -- Ben
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>   ~
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~

Confidentiality Notice: 

--



This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential 
information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is 
addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication by 
anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not 
the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email, delete and 
destroy all copies of the original message.

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Power meter

[Rod Trent]

Server or workstation?  The following solution is for managing  and
monitoring power consumption.

 

Server:  http://www.1e.com/softwareproducts/nightwatchmanserver/index.aspx

 

Workstation:  http://www.1e.com/softwareproducts/nightwatchman/index.aspx

 

 

From: Adam Meixler [mailto:ad...@interlink1.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Power meter

 

Hi all, 

 

I know this has been asked a million times but haven't found it in the
archive.

 

We need to size a new UPS. Any suggestions on how to get accurate readings
for our current power consumption?

 

Thank you!

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Office Move and New Network Setup

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Cameron Cooper  wrote:
> http://compnetworking.about.com/cs/networksecurity/g/bldef_dmz.htm

  Yah, thanks, I know what a DMZ is.  You still haven't explained how
you're going to setup a DMZ on the switch.  Routing tricks at the
firewall?  VLANs?  Layer 3 switch with ACLs?  Magic button on the
switch labeled "DMZ"?

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Power meter

[Robert Cato]

APC website

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Adam Meixler  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I know this has been asked a million times but haven’t found it in the
> archive.
>
>
>
> We need to size a new UPS. Any suggestions on how to get accurate readings
> for our current power consumption?
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[Michael B. Smith]

Quoting Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDFCreator, "Inclusion of 
Malware") and some user comments on SourceForge 
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator).



[cid:image001.png@01CB242B.564F91C0]



I apologize if either is inaccurate.



Regards,



Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com





-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?



One nice feature it had was the ability to install with GP as an .msi though 
that has been removed. You can also install it on a print server so users can 
just map to it. The "malware" toolbar is fairly annoying though you can choose 
not to install it. I do think "malware" may be a bit strong in this case, 
though I'm open to being proven wrong. I think of it more as "nagware".



-Original Message-

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]

Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:27 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?



What does pdfcreator do for you that CutePDF-free doesn't do? (Other than 
install a malware toolbar?)



PDF-Xchange looks very promising. Thanks Ralph.



Regards,



Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com





-Original Message-

From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:20 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?



On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Ralph Smith 
mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org>> wrote:

> Or somebody scans in a paper form to PDF and emails it you...



  I've caught people here printing something out only to scan it right back in. 
 I resist the urge to beat them mercilessly and instead introduce them to 
PDFCreator.



> I use PDF-XChange Viewer which lets you click and type anywhere on the

> PDF and save it with the additions, then email it back.



  That would be very handy.  I'll have to check that out.  In my copious free 
time.  :)



-- Ben



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<>

Power meter

[Adam Meixler]

Hi all,

I know this has been asked a million times but haven't found it in the archive.

We need to size a new UPS. Any suggestions on how to get accurate readings for 
our current power consumption?

Thank you!

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[Crawford, Scott]

One nice feature it had was the ability to install with GP as an .msi though 
that has been removed. You can also install it on a print server so users can 
just map to it. The "malware" toolbar is fairly annoying though you can choose 
not to install it. I do think "malware" may be a bit strong in this case, 
though I'm open to being proven wrong. I think of it more as "nagware".

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

What does pdfcreator do for you that CutePDF-free doesn't do? (Other than 
install a malware toolbar?)

PDF-Xchange looks very promising. Thanks Ralph.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Ralph Smith  wrote:
> Or somebody scans in a paper form to PDF and emails it you...

  I've caught people here printing something out only to scan it right back in. 
 I resist the urge to beat them mercilessly and instead introduce them to 
PDFCreator.

> I use PDF-XChange Viewer which lets you click and type anywhere on the 
> PDF and save it with the additions, then email it back.

  That would be very handy.  I'll have to check that out.  In my copious free 
time.  :)

-- Ben

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RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[Michael B. Smith]

What does pdfcreator do for you that CutePDF-free doesn't do? (Other than 
install a malware toolbar?)

PDF-Xchange looks very promising. Thanks Ralph.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Ralph Smith  wrote:
> Or somebody scans in a paper form to PDF and emails it you...

  I've caught people here printing something out only to scan it right back in. 
 I resist the urge to beat them mercilessly and instead introduce them to 
PDFCreator.

> I use PDF-XChange Viewer which lets you click and type anywhere on the 
> PDF and save it with the additions, then email it back.

  That would be very handy.  I'll have to check that out.  In my copious free 
time.  :)

-- Ben

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Re: SQL Server Express 2008

[Roger Wright]

I think I figured it out.  I had to select "Perform a new
installation" even though I had an existing instance.  Not very
intuitive, but okay now...


Die dulci fruere!

Roger Wright
___




On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Roger Wright  wrote:
> Just trying to add another db to the installed instance.
>
>
> Die dulci fruere!
>
> Roger Wright
> ___
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:41 AM, David Mazzaccaro
>  wrote:
>> If you are going to install this because Sunbelt tech support says you need
>> it to manage remote update servers... you don't.
>> At least I didn't.
>>
>> Anyway... Here are the 3 easy steps that I took...
>>
>> On the Vipre Remote Update Server:
>>
>> 1) Windows Firewall > Open ports: UDP 1434 and TCP 1433.
>>
>> 2) Start>programs>Microsoft SQL Server 2005>Configuration Tools>SQL Server
>> Configuration Manager Navigate to "Protocols for SUNBELT", right click on
>> TCP/IP, go to properties, IP Addresses tab, under IPALL, TCP Dynamic Ports
>> should be , TCP Port = 1433
>>
>> 3) REBOOT
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 11:36 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: SQL Server Express 2008
>>
>> SQLManagementStudio_x64_ENU.exe doesn't work?  Weird.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Roger Wright  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm running VIPRE on a Server 2008 R2 (64) box running SQL Server
>>> Express 2008 (64).  I can't seem to locate the appropriate SQL
>>> Management Studio package to allow managing the installed instance,
>>> adding additional databases, etc.
>>>
>>> I've tried this but am told it's not compatible:
>>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/pq6hx6
>>>
>>> Any guidance?
>>>
>>>
>>> Die dulci fruere!
>>>
>>> Roger Wright
>>> ___
>>>
>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>> ~   ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

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RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[Ralph Smith]

Depends on how you keep the 


> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:22 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?
> 
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 07:47, David Lum  wrote:
> > I'm weirder than I thought, it would NEVER occur to me to tell
someone
> to
> > have *any* password on paper ANYWHERE, but apparently some security
guys
> > don't have a problem with it:
> >
> > http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20010621-245.html?tag=mncol;title
> >
> >
> 
> While I prefer an electronic password keeper with a master password
> (not one attached to a web browser - a standalone app) I don't think
> it's that bad of an idea to use a paper system, if it's handled
> correctly.
> 
> By 'handled correctly' I mean kept on your person in a relatively
> secure manner. Say, in your wallet - not in a purse or briefcase that
> you put down while walking about the office, etc.
> 
> Kurt
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~


Depends on how you keep the list - if you lose your wallet and it has a
card in it that says 

BankofA 1234567 takeMy$pleez
MC 1234123412341234 0612 345

You may still be screwed

I keep some things in my wallet but I try to obscure it a little, like

232BOA1234567takeMy$pleez8432
4384MC123412341234123406122348342
753USB86533876Hands0ffmyStash1632



So someone finding a card with a list like this would have a hard time
using it to do anything, but I know what it means.

Probably a little over the top.
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RE: Ok HERE'S a weird one

[Greg Olson]

I remember this happening a while ago to us, and a more detailed check of the 
logs showed that the firewall had choked trying to defend against what it 
though was a denial of service against it. It was a Cisco bug, and upgrading to 
a more recent code version fixed it. Sorry I don't remember the code version 
anymore. But worth a shot. 


-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 9:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Ok HERE'S a weird one

Yep, SMTo and ICMP worked, http and others did not. Our ASA was generating 
error messages, a reboot fixed it - kind of what I suspected.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 9:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Ok HERE'S a weird one

First guess: Firewall. You're allowing ICMP packets through, but not the other 
protocols.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: David Lum
[mailto:david@nwea.org]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 15 Jul 2010
09:00:38 -0700
Subject: Ok HERE'S a weird one


> Currently we get Internet e-mail, and I can PING Google, but http, 
> Telnet to Internet destinations don't work (http://www.google.com and 
> other website fail).  Anyone ever see selected protocols go down on a router?
> David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
> 
> 
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RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[Marc Maiffret]

It does sound funny the idea of paper passwords but the reality is the
risk is extremely low of you having an attacker in your physical
presence. Now there are of course the caveats of
wives/husbands/girlfriends/boyfriends snooping around. So remember in
those cases that BrainPass is the best place for your naughty passwords.
Friday yet? J

 

Signed,

Marc Maiffret

Co-Founder/CTO

eEye Digital Security

Web: http://www.eeye.com

Blog: http://blog.eeye.com

Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/marcmaiffret

 

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 7:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

 

I'm weirder than I thought, it would NEVER occur to me to tell someone
to have *any* password on paper ANYWHERE, but apparently some security
guys don't have a problem with it:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20010621-245.html?tag=mncol;title

 

99% of the passwords I have to remember are for things I access via
computer so I have a password mgmt app (KeePass). I have 2-3 other codes
(door codes mainly) that I store in my head. Maybe I just don't have
enough non-PC-based passwords to worry about? 

 

How many of you (oops I mean know someone) who actually write down
passwords on a piece of paper?

David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER 
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764

 

 

 

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RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[Ralph Smith]

 

We have a document management system - recently I caught somebody
printing out several hundreds of pages of Word documents, so they could
use the high speed scanner to put them back into the system as PDF
files, using the OCR feature so it could index the documents for
searching.  

 

This system allows you to basically drag and drop documents into it in
native Word format and automatically indexes them.  There's even a
plug-in for MS office to send a doc to it.  This user has had a fair
amount of training specifically on how to put documents into the system.
When I asked the person why he was doing it this way, the answer was -
"It just seemed easier".

 



From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

 

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Ralph Smith 
wrote:
> Or somebody scans in a paper form to PDF and emails it you...

 I've caught people here printing something out only to scan it right
back in.  I resist the urge to beat them mercilessly and instead
introduce them to PDFCreator.

 

We used to have a CSR that, in order to visit the company web site,
would Google the company name then click on one of the sponsored links.

 

Ooof! 

 

 

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RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[N Parr]

I'm constantly asking people why they are typing the domain name in to
the search box.  Makes me want to remove all the search toolbars.  Why
do you think Google makes so much money.



From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 12:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Passwords on paper? Seriously?


On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:


On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Ralph Smith
 wrote:
> Or somebody scans in a paper form to PDF and emails it you...

 I've caught people here printing something out only to scan it
right
back in.  I resist the urge to beat them mercilessly and instead
introduce them to PDFCreator.



We used to have a CSR that, in order to visit the company web site,
would Google the company name then click on one of the sponsored links.

Ooof! 

 

 


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~   ~

RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

[Greg Olson]

Its amazing what you remember if you see something enough. I used to work at 
Costco years ago as a teenager and I can still remember some of the numbers for 
certain items (As back in the day before scanners you actually had a person 
calling the numbers out to the cashier and we would type them in). I can 
remember amazing people by looking at their cart and entering in all the items 
before they were even out of the cart.
Now can I remember a name. Nope, but 18982 used to be Coke...
-Greg

From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 8:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

When I first started working in IT about ten years ago every user had a 
permanent password and the IT department kept a list on paper.  After about a 
month I could remember the passwords for all 150 or so employees, and everyone 
seemed amazed by that.  Now I can barely remember their names anymore much less 
passwords (which I don't know to start with anyway).  I use keepass for all my 
work and personal passwords, account numbers, and any other sensitive 
information I need to save.  For users who need to remember multiple passwords 
I set them up with keepass also.



From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

I keep almost all of my passwords (both work and personal) in my head. I have 
ONE password written down, but that's because I didn't create it, and there are 
too many variables for character substitutions (eyeroll). I used to keep a list 
of passwords for some infrequently used system in a list on my palm pilot, but 
not any more.

People are amazed when they realize how many passwords I keep in my head. I 
have very little tolerance for people who complain about changing their domain 
password every 90 days. I change mine on that same interval as well, and I have 
yet to forget my new password. If you can't remember yours, go get a job that 
doesn't require the use of a computer and leave me alone.


Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.commailto:%20jra...@eaglemds.com>
www.eaglemds.comhttp://www.eaglemds.com/>


From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Passwords on paper? Seriously?

I'm weirder than I thought, it would NEVER occur to me to tell someone to have 
*any* password on paper ANYWHERE, but apparently some security guys don't have 
a problem with it:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20010621-245.html?tag=mncol;title

99% of the passwords I have to remember are for things I access via computer so 
I have a password mgmt app (KeePass). I have 2-3 other codes (door codes 
mainly) that I store in my head. Maybe I just don't have enough non-PC-based 
passwords to worry about?

How many of you (oops I mean know someone) who actually write down passwords on 
a piece of paper?
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
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