Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation
My wife is expecting twin boys around the week leading up to Xmas, I'm trying to catch up on as much sleep as possible on preparation :) On 20 Sep 2010 14:42, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Twins rock...but I couldn't imagine coping with mine on my own I met a couple last week who had quintuplets. And they already had a six-year old. The thought of that made me shiver. On 20 September 2010 14:39, William J. Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com wrote: Holy cow! I can't... -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation
+ 100 On 20 Sep 2010 15:19, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle jra...@eaglemds.com wrote: [Political RANT on entitlements:] BEGIN [There are safe reversible medical procedures that would cure that problem for a FRACTION of the cost.] [I’d say 3 strikes and you’re out.] [If you’re going to parent multiple children and abandon each of them, then ability to create them needs to be taken away.] [It is one thing to parent half a dozen or more and support them yourself, but it is entirely another to expect the community and government to do it for you.] [I’m sick and tired of CAPABLE individuals living off of my hard earned tax dollar.] END [Political RANT on entitlements] Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@... -- *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* Monday, September 20, 2010 9:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation On this sort of subject, check this deadbeat out http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8012357/Man-set-to-have-tenth-child-by-ten-different-women.. .. On 20 September 2010 14:42, Sean Rector sean.rec...@vaopera.org wrote: --- 7 kids, 6 girls…’nuff said Sean Rector, MCSE From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw... -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong fig... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click... Any medical information contained in this electronic message is ... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation
Sleep is overrated... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Tony Patton apco...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:33:05 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation My wife is expecting twin boys around the week leading up to Xmas, I'm trying to catch up on as much sleep as possible on preparation :) On 20 Sep 2010 14:42, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Twins rock...but I couldn't imagine coping with mine on my own I met a couple last week who had quintuplets. And they already had a six-year old. The thought of that made me shiver. On 20 September 2010 14:39, William J. Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com wrote: Holy cow! I can't... -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation
So it seems... -sc --2:25am and counting... From: Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Sleep is overrated... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Tony Patton apco...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:33:05 +0100 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation My wife is expecting twin boys around the week leading up to Xmas, I'm trying to catch up on as much sleep as possible on preparation :) On 20 Sep 2010 14:42, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Twins rock...but I couldn't imagine coping with mine on my own I met a couple last week who had quintuplets. And they already had a six-year old. The thought of that made me shiver. On 20 September 2010 14:39, William J. Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com wrote: Holy cow! I can't... -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation
Make that 2:35... -sc From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation So it seems... -sc --2:25am and counting... From: Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Sleep is overrated... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Tony Patton apco...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:33:05 +0100 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation My wife is expecting twin boys around the week leading up to Xmas, I'm trying to catch up on as much sleep as possible on preparation :) On 20 Sep 2010 14:42, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Twins rock...but I couldn't imagine coping with mine on my own I met a couple last week who had quintuplets. And they already had a six-year old. The thought of that made me shiver. On 20 September 2010 14:39, William J. Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com wrote: Holy cow! I can't... -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation
Yep Letterman is on... :) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 02:37:43 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Make that 2:35... -sc From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation So it seems... -sc --2:25am and counting... From: Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Sleep is overrated... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Tony Patton apco...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:33:05 +0100 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation My wife is expecting twin boys around the week leading up to Xmas, I'm trying to catch up on as much sleep as possible on preparation :) On 20 Sep 2010 14:42, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Twins rock...but I couldn't imagine coping with mine on my own I met a couple last week who had quintuplets. And they already had a six-year old. The thought of that made me shiver. On 20 September 2010 14:39, William J. Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com wrote: Holy cow! I can't... -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation
Are we getting one of these every 10 minutes? :) -Anders On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: Make that 2:35… -sc *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:36 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation So it seems… -sc ß2:25am and counting… *From:* Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:34 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Sleep is overrated... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -- *From: *Tony Patton apco...@gmail.com *Date: *Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:33:05 +0100 *To: *NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *ReplyTo: *NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Subject: *Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation My wife is expecting twin boys around the week leading up to Xmas, I'm trying to catch up on as much sleep as possible on preparation :) On 20 Sep 2010 14:42, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Twins rock...but I couldn't imagine coping with mine on my own I met a couple last week who had quintuplets. And they already had a six-year old. The thought of that made me shiver. On 20 September 2010 14:39, William J. Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com wrote: Holy cow! I can't... -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation
Well, there was only 4 minutes between those messages when I realized the typo... so no. ;) -sc From: Anders Blomgren [mailto:chanks...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:40 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Are we getting one of these every 10 minutes? :) -Anders On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: Make that 2:35... -sc From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation So it seems... -sc --2:25am and counting... From: Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Sleep is overrated... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Tony Patton apco...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:33:05 +0100 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation My wife is expecting twin boys around the week leading up to Xmas, I'm trying to catch up on as much sleep as possible on preparation :) On 20 Sep 2010 14:42, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Twins rock...but I couldn't imagine coping with mine on my own I met a couple last week who had quintuplets. And they already had a six-year old. The thought of that made me shiver. On 20 September 2010 14:39, William J. Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com wrote: Holy cow! I can't... -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c./ .. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation
You can be in charge of forwarding the Top 10 list.. -sc From: Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Yep Letterman is on... :) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 02:37:43 -0400 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Make that 2:35... -sc From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation So it seems... -sc --2:25am and counting... From: Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Sleep is overrated... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Tony Patton apco...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:33:05 +0100 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation My wife is expecting twin boys around the week leading up to Xmas, I'm trying to catch up on as much sleep as possible on preparation :) On 20 Sep 2010 14:42, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Twins rock...but I couldn't imagine coping with mine on my own I met a couple last week who had quintuplets. And they already had a six-year old. The thought of that made me shiver. On 20 September 2010 14:39, William J. Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com wrote: Holy cow! I can't... -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation
I will take this empowerment very seriously... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 02:42:15 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation You can be in charge of forwarding the Top 10 list.. -sc From: Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Yep Letterman is on... :) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 02:37:43 -0400 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Make that 2:35... -sc From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation So it seems... -sc --2:25am and counting... From: Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Sleep is overrated... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Tony Patton apco...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:33:05 +0100 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation My wife is expecting twin boys around the week leading up to Xmas, I'm trying to catch up on as much sleep as possible on preparation :) On 20 Sep 2010 14:42, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Twins rock...but I couldn't imagine coping with mine on my own I met a couple last week who had quintuplets. And they already had a six-year old. The thought of that made me shiver. On 20 September 2010 14:39, William J. Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com wrote: Holy cow! I can't... -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe
RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation
You are a good man, Don Ely Despite your display name. -sc From: Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:43 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation I will take this empowerment very seriously... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 02:42:15 -0400 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation You can be in charge of forwarding the Top 10 list.. -sc From: Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Yep Letterman is on... :) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 02:37:43 -0400 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Make that 2:35... -sc From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation So it seems... -sc --2:25am and counting... From: Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Sleep is overrated... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Tony Patton apco...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:33:05 +0100 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation My wife is expecting twin boys around the week leading up to Xmas, I'm trying to catch up on as much sleep as possible on preparation :) On 20 Sep 2010 14:42, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Twins rock...but I couldn't imagine coping with mine on my own I met a couple last week who had quintuplets. And they already had a six-year old. The thought of that made me shiver. On 20 September 2010 14:39, William J. Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com wrote: Holy cow! I can't... -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint
Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation
Fortunatly I have the day off tomorrow... only 11:55pm tho On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: You are a good man, Don Ely…. Despite your display name. -sc *From:* Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:43 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation I will take this empowerment very seriously... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -- *From: *Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com *Date: *Wed, 22 Sep 2010 02:42:15 -0400 *To: *NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *ReplyTo: *NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Subject: *RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation You can be in charge of forwarding the Top 10 list.. -sc *From:* Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:39 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Yep Letterman is on... :) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -- *From: *Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com *Date: *Wed, 22 Sep 2010 02:37:43 -0400 *To: *NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *ReplyTo: *NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Subject: *RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Make that 2:35… -sc *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:36 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation So it seems… -sc ß2:25am and counting… *From:* Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:34 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Sleep is overrated... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -- *From: *Tony Patton apco...@gmail.com *Date: *Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:33:05 +0100 *To: *NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *ReplyTo: *NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Subject: *Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation My wife is expecting twin boys around the week leading up to Xmas, I'm trying to catch up on as much sleep as possible on preparation :) On 20 Sep 2010 14:42, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Twins rock...but I couldn't imagine coping with mine on my own I met a couple last week who had quintuplets. And they already had a six-year old. The thought of that made me shiver. On 20 September 2010 14:39, William J. Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com wrote: Holy cow! I can't... -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here:
RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation
Me too! OK, 3am, bed time... -sc From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Fortunatly I have the day off tomorrow... only 11:55pm tho On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: You are a good man, Don Ely Despite your display name. -sc From: Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:43 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation I will take this empowerment very seriously... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 02:42:15 -0400 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation You can be in charge of forwarding the Top 10 list.. -sc From: Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Yep Letterman is on... :) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 02:37:43 -0400 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Make that 2:35... -sc From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation So it seems... -sc --2:25am and counting... From: Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Sleep is overrated... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Tony Patton apco...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:33:05 +0100 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation My wife is expecting twin boys around the week leading up to Xmas, I'm trying to catch up on as much sleep as possible on preparation :) On 20 Sep 2010 14:42, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Twins rock...but I couldn't imagine coping with mine on my own I met a couple last week who had quintuplets. And they already had a six-year old. The thought of that made me shiver. On 20 September 2010 14:39, William J. Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com wrote: Holy cow! I can't... -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c./ .. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with
Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation
How nice of you to recognize it... Lol Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 02:45:03 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation You are a good man, Don Ely Despite your display name. -sc From: Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:43 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation I will take this empowerment very seriously... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 02:42:15 -0400 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation You can be in charge of forwarding the Top 10 list.. -sc From: Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Yep Letterman is on... :) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 02:37:43 -0400 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Make that 2:35... -sc From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation So it seems... -sc --2:25am and counting... From: Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Sleep is overrated... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Tony Patton apco...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:33:05 +0100 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation My wife is expecting twin boys around the week leading up to Xmas, I'm trying to catch up on as much sleep as possible on preparation :) On 20 Sep 2010 14:42, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Twins rock...but I couldn't imagine coping with mine on my own I met a couple last week who had quintuplets. And they already had a six-year old. The thought of that made me shiver. On 20 September 2010 14:39, William J. Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com wrote: Holy cow! I can't... -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body:
Re: ESXi fun
Would it be possible to boot to a knoppix cd, or some other live cd and copy the vm's off that way to a usb drive? On 9/21/10, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: As are 9 volt batteries. And frozen fence poles. -sc From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 11:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESXi fun Licking the pins on a telecom punch-down block is a blast! Raper, Jonathan - Eagle jra...@eaglemds.com wrote on 09/21/2010 10:50:41 AM: Unlicking doors is so much fun. Everyone is doing it. You should try it. Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.com From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 11:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESXi fun Of course it was easy... it had that spiffy 3D interface where you fly thru the building to unlick a door or some such. I _SWEAR_ that's where CA got an idea for one of its management nitemares^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H modules... -sc From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: ESXi fun She took over where the lone sysadmin left off, the guy who ran the entire dino zoo infrastructure from one workstation (application development as well debugging eight million lines of code) with zero documentation. However all they had to do was reboot the servers and everything was OK - except for the raptors got out. DR testing had been missed. On 21 September 2010 14:08, richardmccl...@aspca.org wrote: Remember Jurassic Park? Hey, I know this system - it's just unix! Find yourself an 8-year-old girl to help you out... James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote on 09/21/2010 07:58:14 AM: My ESXi education continuescheers Now I find the KVM is faulty. It's one of those days! On 21 September 2010 13:49, Martin Blackstone mblackst...@gmail.com wrote: Connect a serial cable to it, ssh in (use Putty, its free) and run ifconfig. You should get something like this: vswif0Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:50:56:4E:D4:28 inet addr:172.16.15.21 Bcast:172.16.15.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:47793949 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:30426544 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:38276131304 (35.6 GiB) TX bytes:24724689335 (23.0 GiB) From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 5:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: ESXi fun I've spotted another DL360 with a couple of spare drive bays that is running ESXi as well. I'm just trying to find the IP address because it doesn't appear to be in DNS (there is some serious process implementation needing doing at this place). On 21 September 2010 13:39, Martin Blackstone mblackst...@gmail.com wrote: I loves me some NetApp!! Any chance you have a spare server you could slap the disks in? From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 5:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: ESXi fun Local disks only. No shared storage sucks. Not long now though - NetApp is being built as we speak. On 21 September 2010 13:25, Martin Blackstone mblackst...@gmail.com wrote: How is your VM storage attached? Local disk, NFS, iSCSI, FC? From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 5:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: ESXi fun Would it see the disk OK even if it hasn't been configured in the HP ACU? I'm an ESXi novice and not sure how ESXi actually picks up logical disks On 21 September 2010 05:59, Level Five - List li...@levelfive.us wrote: You know you could just put the drive in a working esxi system andmount the datastore and files ... -Original Message- From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 4:55 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESXi fun True Love! -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 3:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: ESXi fun On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Damien Solodow damien.solo...@harrison.edu wrote: There's a big difference between half dead and all dead. Half dead is half alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do. Go through his pockets looking for loose change? Ding ding ding! Congratulations! Johnny, tell him what's he's won... -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a
Re: ESXi fun
Possibly worth a try. I'm still trying to get the damn KVM fixed for the spare box. I may have to drag some monitors into the comms room. Joy. On 22 September 2010 08:14, Matt Plahtinsky cbusitl...@gmail.com wrote: Would it be possible to boot to a knoppix cd, or some other live cd and copy the vm's off that way to a usb drive? On 9/21/10, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: As are 9 volt batteries. And frozen fence poles. -sc From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 11:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESXi fun Licking the pins on a telecom punch-down block is a blast! Raper, Jonathan - Eagle jra...@eaglemds.com wrote on 09/21/2010 10:50:41 AM: Unlicking doors is so much fun. Everyone is doing it. You should try it. Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.com From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 11:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESXi fun Of course it was easy... it had that spiffy 3D interface where you fly thru the building to unlick a door or some such. I _SWEAR_ that's where CA got an idea for one of its management nitemares^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H modules... -sc From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 9:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: ESXi fun She took over where the lone sysadmin left off, the guy who ran the entire dino zoo infrastructure from one workstation (application development as well debugging eight million lines of code) with zero documentation. However all they had to do was reboot the servers and everything was OK - except for the raptors got out. DR testing had been missed. On 21 September 2010 14:08, richardmccl...@aspca.org wrote: Remember Jurassic Park? Hey, I know this system - it's just unix! Find yourself an 8-year-old girl to help you out... James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote on 09/21/2010 07:58:14 AM: My ESXi education continuescheers Now I find the KVM is faulty. It's one of those days! On 21 September 2010 13:49, Martin Blackstone mblackst...@gmail.com wrote: Connect a serial cable to it, ssh in (use Putty, its free) and run ifconfig. You should get something like this: vswif0Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:50:56:4E:D4:28 inet addr:172.16.15.21 Bcast:172.16.15.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:47793949 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:30426544 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:38276131304 (35.6 GiB) TX bytes:24724689335 (23.0 GiB) From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 5:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: ESXi fun I've spotted another DL360 with a couple of spare drive bays that is running ESXi as well. I'm just trying to find the IP address because it doesn't appear to be in DNS (there is some serious process implementation needing doing at this place). On 21 September 2010 13:39, Martin Blackstone mblackst...@gmail.com wrote: I loves me some NetApp!! Any chance you have a spare server you could slap the disks in? From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 5:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: ESXi fun Local disks only. No shared storage sucks. Not long now though - NetApp is being built as we speak. On 21 September 2010 13:25, Martin Blackstone mblackst...@gmail.com wrote: How is your VM storage attached? Local disk, NFS, iSCSI, FC? From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 5:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: ESXi fun Would it see the disk OK even if it hasn't been configured in the HP ACU? I'm an ESXi novice and not sure how ESXi actually picks up logical disks On 21 September 2010 05:59, Level Five - List li...@levelfive.us wrote: You know you could just put the drive in a working esxi system andmount the datastore and files ... -Original Message- From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 4:55 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: ESXi fun True Love! -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 3:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: ESXi fun On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Damien Solodow damien.solo...@harrison.edu wrote:
RE: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server?
I have used Mercury Mail in the past for small installs and it is easy to setup and works well. http://www.pmail.com/ Mark From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: 20 September 2010 16:04 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? We have a few dozen domains that are non-critical that I don't want to host on our internal Exchange system (mostly political some technical reasons i.e. I don't want some of the users anywhere near my LAN). Most of them only have the need for abuse@ and postmaster@ to be configured, but a few of the domains have some aliases setup and a couple of them have some POP3 mailboxes. I've tried hmailserver and mailenable on one of our DMZ boxes and each does the job whilst each has its quirks (I'm leaning towards hmailserver right now). Any suggestions on anything else that is cheap/free and easy to configure? MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 114 5409 96 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by bluesource. For further information visit www.blue-source.com powered by Messagelabs ** This email is sent for and on behalf of Inspop.com Limited ** Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. Registration no. 310635. Inspop.com Limited [also trading as Confused.com] is registered in England and Wales at 2nd Floor, Friary House, Greyfriars Road, Cardiff, CF10 3AE [Reg. No. 03857130]. Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies [which may contain alterations] subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the Information Security Officer by telephone on +44 [0] 29 2043 4372. Please then delete this email and destroy any copies of it. This email has been swept for viruses before leaving our system. Security Warning: Please note that this email has been created in the knowledge that Internet email is not a 100% secure communications medium. We advise that you understand and accept this lack of security when emailing us. Viruses: Although we have taken steps to ensure that this email and any attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice the recipient should ensure they are actually virus free. We may monitor the content of E-mails sent and received via our network for viruses or unauthorised use and for other lawful business purposes. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server?
What SAN are we going to store the signature on? Would we use a Cisco or HP switch? Cheers Ken From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 10:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? I thought Real Networks was in contention in that it was a neutral codec with no affiliation with either MS or Apple? -sc From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? I think we had established that Quicktime was the preferred solution at this stage. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Jim McAtee j...@zolx.commailto:j...@zolx.com wrote: You're joking, right? You had me going for a second there. - Original Message - From: Doug Hampshire dhampsh...@gmail.commailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:40 AM Subject: Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? Do any of these solutions have an option to insert excessively large eMails signatures into them automatically? I'm still looking for a solution that will attach a Flash based video to every eMail we send. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server?
And are we OK with the SAN or switch vendor locking out your access to some advanced features, until you pony up the extra cash? On 22 September 2010 09:20, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: What SAN are we going to store the signature on? Would we use a Cisco or HP switch? Cheers Ken *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, 22 September 2010 10:53 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? I thought Real Networks was in contention in that it was a “neutral” codec with no affiliation with either MS or Apple? -sc *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:25 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? I think we had established that Quicktime was the preferred solution at this stage. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Jim McAtee j...@zolx.com wrote: You're joking, right? You had me going for a second there. - Original Message - From: Doug Hampshire dhampsh...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:40 AM Subject: Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? Do any of these solutions have an option to insert excessively large eMails signatures into them automatically? I'm still looking for a solution that will attach a Flash based video to every eMail we send. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server?
Are you ok with paying $3000 more for 24 ports when you only need 8? I guess people are going to disagree with me here but making 2 different models isn't going to make the smaller one cheaper than a large one locked down. -Anders On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:22 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.comwrote: And are we OK with the SAN or switch vendor locking out your access to some advanced features, until you pony up the extra cash? On 22 September 2010 09:20, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: What SAN are we going to store the signature on? Would we use a Cisco or HP switch? Cheers Ken *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, 22 September 2010 10:53 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? I thought Real Networks was in contention in that it was a “neutral” codec with no affiliation with either MS or Apple? -sc *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:25 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? I think we had established that Quicktime was the preferred solution at this stage. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Jim McAtee j...@zolx.com wrote: You're joking, right? You had me going for a second there. - Original Message - From: Doug Hampshire dhampsh...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:40 AM Subject: Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? Do any of these solutions have an option to insert excessively large eMails signatures into them automatically? I'm still looking for a solution that will attach a Flash based video to every eMail we send. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server?
Something tells me we're not gonna need an OT Friday Funny this week either Jonathan L. Raper, MCSE Thumb-typed from my HTC Incredible (and yes, it really is) Droid. Please excuse brevity any misspellings. - Reply message - From: Anders Blomgren chanks...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Sep 22, 2010 4:29 am Subject: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Are you ok with paying $3000 more for 24 ports when you only need 8? I guess people are going to disagree with me here but making 2 different models isn't going to make the smaller one cheaper than a large one locked down. -Anders On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:22 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: And are we OK with the SAN or switch vendor locking out your access to some advanced features, until you pony up the extra cash? On 22 September 2010 09:20, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: What SAN are we going to store the signature on? Would we use a Cisco or HP switch? Cheers Ken From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 10:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? I thought Real Networks was in contention in that it was a “neutral” codec with no affiliation with either MS or Apple? -sc From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? I think we had established that Quicktime was the preferred solution at this stage. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Jim McAtee j...@zolx.commailto:j...@zolx.com wrote: You're joking, right? You had me going for a second there. - Original Message - From: Doug Hampshire dhampsh...@gmail.commailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:40 AM Subject: Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? Do any of these solutions have an option to insert excessively large eMails signatures into them automatically? I'm still looking for a solution that will attach a Flash based video to every eMail we send. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Any medical information contained in this electronic message is CONFIDENTIAL and privileged. It is unlawful for unauthorized persons to view, copy, disclose, or disseminate CONFIDENTIAL information. This electronic message may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual(s) and/or entity named as recipients in the message. If you are not an intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete this material from your computer. Do not deliver, distribute or copy this message, and do not disclose its contents or take any action in reliance on the information that it contains. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
I'd argue that it's only a model once you monetize it. :) Ultimately, I think the vendors are going to go that way, because it is cheaper to produce and easier to support. Much easier to finesse the necessary price points for an ever-growing value conscious society. And it even benefits consumers, too. Either way, it's not robbery unless the specific value proposition is garbage -- e.g. the price being offered for the default configuration is too expensive for the power provided OR the price to upgrade is too expensive for the performance derived for the upgrade. For my purposes, if Intel offers a processor that can provide X or X+2 units of performance at a cost of $100 for X and +$50 for (X+2) then I'm good if: - All I need today is X, and $100 is what I deem an appropriate price for X power - What I need today is X+2, and $150 is what I deem an appropriate price for X+2 power Outside of that, I just won't purchase it. If all I need is X power, I really don't care what the price is for X+2, especially when it's upgradeable. (If it's not upgradeable, a good enough price might cause me to purchase X+2 now, given the inconvenience of doing it later) *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.comwrote: AMD sort of embraced that model... The X3s were often X4s with one inactive core. Lots of people successfully unlocked that core. AMD just didn't try to monetize it further like Intel. Bill Andrew S. Baker wrote: I disagree that the costs are being subsidized at the low end. It costs less overall to manage the product as a single unit with unlockable features than a two separate products with hard coded features. And since the primary competitor has still not embraced that model, it is still possible for someone to compare the value of both the low end processor and the high one independently. I'll very that both levels of consumer well get better pricing than before, even as Intel bags more profits. -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Sent from my Motorola Droid On Sep 21, 2010 6:00 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: But another way to l... That works as long as no one can offer a comparable but lower-priced product. If your price is high because your costs are high (living, education, experience, etc.), chances are good you'll have continued work -- potential competitors will likely have similar costs. If your price is high while your costs are low, that's another matter. If competition moves in, your customer base is likely to defect en masse. Even if you lower your prices to compete, you now have a reputation as having a high price/cost ratio. Customers often dislike that, and express their dislike with their wallets. Since legislative action is part of the big picture (with the hardware thing), popular opinion can matter for that reason, too. High price/cost ratios tend to yield unstable long-term economic relationships, unless presti... They're only better for the customers who buy the product with the lower price and get the lower intended performance. The customers who pay for more performance get a worse deal. Both parties get the same physical material. Both benefit from the same NRE. But the high-end guys pay more. They end up subsidizing the low-end guys. Sometimes the high-end people don't mind, but sometimes they do. When people propose taxing the rich to give to the poor, the rich tend to put up a pretty big stink, for example. Frankly, I think that the hardware side of the house has suffered with low margins as compared ... I agree completely. But weren't you just making a point about the scope of this discussion? ;-) I think you're arguing a narrower scope of issues than some other people are. Yes, I am... Well, your choice, but don't be surprised when you get persistent confusion/disagreement. One can win any argument by carefully defining terms. If mutual understanding is the goal, you need to change minds. :) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation
LOL Congrats, but it won't help. :) *ASB * * * On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:33 AM, Tony Patton apco...@gmail.com wrote: My wife is expecting twin boys around the week leading up to Xmas, I'm trying to catch up on as much sleep as possible on preparation :) On 20 Sep 2010 14:42, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Twins rock...but I couldn't imagine coping with mine on my own I met a couple last week who had quintuplets. And they already had a six-year old. The thought of that made me shiver. On 20 September 2010 14:39, William J. Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com wrote: Holy cow! I can't... -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation
My twin boys were due Christmas Eve. They arrived on the 8th. For the first three months, you will feel like you are going completely psychotic through lack of sleep. Or possibly longer. And after that, you will wonder what you ever used to do with spare time. Enjoy! On 22 September 2010 11:31, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: LOL Congrats, but it won't help. :) *ASB * * * On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:33 AM, Tony Patton apco...@gmail.com wrote: My wife is expecting twin boys around the week leading up to Xmas, I'm trying to catch up on as much sleep as possible on preparation :) On 20 Sep 2010 14:42, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Twins rock...but I couldn't imagine coping with mine on my own I met a couple last week who had quintuplets. And they already had a six-year old. The thought of that made me shiver. On 20 September 2010 14:39, William J. Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com wrote: Holy cow! I can't... -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server?
I'm installing a 35 TB Lefthand (now HP) SAN in 3 weeks. Will that work? On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:20 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: What SAN are we going to store the signature on? Would we use a Cisco or HP switch? Cheers Ken *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, 22 September 2010 10:53 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? I thought Real Networks was in contention in that it was a “neutral” codec with no affiliation with either MS or Apple? -sc *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:25 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? I think we had established that Quicktime was the preferred solution at this stage. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Jim McAtee j...@zolx.com wrote: You're joking, right? You had me going for a second there. - Original Message - From: Doug Hampshire dhampsh...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:40 AM Subject: Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? Do any of these solutions have an option to insert excessively large eMails signatures into them automatically? I'm still looking for a solution that will attach a Flash based video to every eMail we send. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RDS GPO query
I'm sure there is a simple answer to this but my brain feels mangled.too much driving Is there a reason I can't see the *Computer Configuration | Administrative Templates | Windows Components | Remote Desktop Services* GPO settings in GPMC? I'm logged on to a 2008 R2 box with Remote Desktop Services role installed but there is no corresponding GPO. There is a *Terminal Services*one, though. Is this because our DFL is not at 2008 R2 yet? Is there any way I can import it? -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server?
Only for recipients in blue states. You'll need a righthand SAN for the rest of them. On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Doug Hampshire dhampsh...@gmail.comwrote: I'm installing a 35 TB Lefthand (now HP) SAN in 3 weeks. Will that work? On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:20 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.comwrote: What SAN are we going to store the signature on? Would we use a Cisco or HP switch? Cheers Ken *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, 22 September 2010 10:53 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? I thought Real Networks was in contention in that it was a “neutral” codec with no affiliation with either MS or Apple? -sc *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:25 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? I think we had established that Quicktime was the preferred solution at this stage. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Jim McAtee j...@zolx.com wrote: You're joking, right? You had me going for a second there. - Original Message - From: Doug Hampshire dhampsh...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:40 AM Subject: Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? Do any of these solutions have an option to insert excessively large eMails signatures into them automatically? I'm still looking for a solution that will attach a Flash based video to every eMail we send. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
Here's something I thought of... Sure you'll be able to buy an unlock code, but will the end-user realize that they are getting the same physical hardware as someone who pays more and know that they can unlock better performance? Thinking about the folks who go into Best Buy or WalMart to buy a new computer (this appears to be the market that this new feature is aimed at.) My thought is that they're going to buy whatever is on the shelf and not realize that they just need to buy an upgrade/unlock code to enable better performance. How is that going to help the end-user? From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU I disagree that the costs are being subsidized at the low end. It costs less overall to manage the product as a single unit with unlockable features than a two separate products with hard coded features. And since the primary competitor has still not embraced that model, it is still possible for someone to compare the value of both the low end processor and the high one independently. I'll very that both levels of consumer well get better pricing than before, even as Intel bags more profits. -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Sent from my Motorola Droid On Sep 21, 2010 6:00 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: But another way to l... That works as long as no one can offer a comparable but lower-priced product. If your price is high because your costs are high (living, education, experience, etc.), chances are good you'll have continued work -- potential competitors will likely have similar costs. If your price is high while your costs are low, that's another matter. If competition moves in, your customer base is likely to defect en masse. Even if you lower your prices to compete, you now have a reputation as having a high price/cost ratio. Customers often dislike that, and express their dislike with their wallets. Since legislative action is part of the big picture (with the hardware thing), popular opinion can matter for that reason, too. High price/cost ratios tend to yield unstable long-term economic relationships, unless presti... They're only better for the customers who buy the product with the lower price and get the lower intended performance. The customers who pay for more performance get a worse deal. Both parties get the same physical material. Both benefit from the same NRE. But the high-end guys pay more. They end up subsidizing the low-end guys. Sometimes the high-end people don't mind, but sometimes they do. When people propose taxing the rich to give to the poor, the rich tend to put up a pretty big stink, for example. Frankly, I think that the hardware side of the house has suffered with low margins as compared ... I agree completely. But weren't you just making a point about the scope of this discussion? ;-) I think you're arguing a narrower scope of issues than some other people are. Yes, I am... Well, your choice, but don't be surprised when you get persistent confusion/disagreement. One can win any argument by carefully defining terms. If mutual understanding is the goal, you need to change minds. :) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsof... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation
You better be catching up on as many diapers as possible. From: Tony Patton [mailto:apco...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation My wife is expecting twin boys around the week leading up to Xmas, I'm trying to catch up on as much sleep as possible on preparation :) On 20 Sep 2010 14:42, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Twins rock...but I couldn't imagine coping with mine on my own I met a couple last week who had quintuplets. And they already had a six-year old. The thought of that made me shiver. On 20 September 2010 14:39, William J. Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com wrote: Holy cow! I can't... -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
I'm thinking it's more like you go to the local GM dealership and they sell you a Cadillac, and you drive out off the lot with one of those Kiddy Cadillacs and then the sales rep tells you, Oh, for an additional $1500 you can upgrade to a 'real' car. Based on who this seems to be marketed to (i.e. BestBuy Non-Geek users) I don't see the Best Buy sales associate saying Oh, yeah... buy this, and it'll do great...and if you want more performance, I can sell you an 'upgrade' for $75. I think that most folks who go to the electronics store or Wal-Mart are going to say heck, if this isn't the top of the line, I don't want it. I think this model is going to end up backfiring and causing confusion. The info on the display model says 15 Ghz CPU but it probably isn't going to say For an additional $75 you can get 17 Ghz. That would be confusing to the end user, I think. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU How would you feel if the car lived up to it's performance specs disclosed at the time it was sold to you? -sc -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Ok... back to the automotive example... you buy a car that's got a governor on it, limiting it to 45 mph. You want to be able to drive 65 Mph. The car is completely capable of going that speed. The manufacturer has been selling the same *exact* car, without the governor for the same price as they are asking you to pay now, only now you have to pay to remove the governor. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Exactly!!! I'm not saying that there's no opportunity for abuse by the vendor, but as stated, this change in production makes it easier for both me AND Intel. They get a more consist fabrication process where they can more easily match price points with market demand for certain CPU capacity, and I get to purchase power I need today at a cost I like today AND be able to increase it relatively cost effectively later. ASB (My XeeSM Profile) Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:29 PM, richardmccl...@aspca.org wrote: Similarly, suppose you later wish to upgrade to 4 cores. Which would you prefer: a - shut down the server, pull it from the rack, remove the cooling units, pull the CPU, replace (etc), and update the BIOS? b - boot off a piece of media which enables the other two cores, updates, the BIOS, etc? Personally, I like b -- richard Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote on 09/21/2010 11:24:37 AM: Crippled relative to what: Maximum capacity that you have no intention of paying for? How is it crippled if it accomplishes the work you paid for it to accomplish? If Intel sells one model of CPU with 2 cores for $100, and another with 4 cores for $175, and you decide to purchase the 2-core product because it has an appropriate cost/benefit ratio for you, then how is it suddenly a problem if they sell a 4 core product with 2 cores locked for the same $100? How is that crippled? ASB On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:42 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: In my personal opinion, if certain features are disabled and the CPU is not capable of running at it's full potential (barring any manufacturing defects which would cause it to be sold as a lower performing chip, as is common these days) then I, personally, would consider it crippled or hamstrung if you prefer. That's my personal opinion and I think it's a lousy way to do business. Now, if you're willing to buy hardware that has been *artificially* dumbed down with the knowledge that you can undo that by paying Intel a fee, then by all means, feel free to do that. Personally, if I have the option of buying a CPU that is NOT artificially dumbed down or has some features disabled strictly so Intel can charge me to unlock those features, I will opt for the competitor's CPU that doesn't have those artificial restrictions. That's just my 2¢. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 11:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU That being said, I think it's a crappy way to do business... sell a crippled product then charge to fix it. Please show me in that article what language led you to conclude that the product being sold is crippled As an example, should you pay for a two
Automatic updates, WSUS, managed patches, oh my!
Folks, I recently implemented a workstation management product that does patching (Windows updates, Acrobat, and a few other vendors). Until now we used a WSUS server and it worked fine. What I am seeing is workstations are still registering with the WSUS server, the server not yet retired. What are your recommendations to stop this. I could do any of the following: - write a script so that customized WSUS registry keys are removed/set back to default. These registry edits were done pre-Active Directory when we used Zenworks. - disable or set to manual automatic updates using a GPO The new management software has its own agent so I don't need automatic updates to be enabled. But I do wish it not to be disabled should we need to manually run updates for some reason. Recommendations? Tom Miller Engineer, Information Technology Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board 757-788-0528 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
If it means they'll get more money, they'll tell you about it. Every time I buy a car they try and sell me every add-on possible. I feel emasculated when I come out without all the extras. They won't hide it, that you can count on! On 22 September 2010 13:59, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.comwrote: I'm thinking it's more like you go to the local GM dealership and they sell you a Cadillac, and you drive out off the lot with one of those Kiddy Cadillacs and then the sales rep tells you, Oh, for an additional $1500 you can upgrade to a 'real' car. Based on who this seems to be marketed to (i.e. BestBuy Non-Geek users) I don't see the Best Buy sales associate saying Oh, yeah... buy this, and it'll do great...and if you want more performance, I can sell you an 'upgrade' for $75. I think that most folks who go to the electronics store or Wal-Mart are going to say heck, if this isn't the top of the line, I don't want it. I think this model is going to end up backfiring and causing confusion. The info on the display model says 15 Ghz CPU but it probably isn't going to say For an additional $75 you can get 17 Ghz. That would be confusing to the end user, I think. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU How would you feel if the car lived up to it's performance specs disclosed at the time it was sold to you? -sc -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Ok... back to the automotive example... you buy a car that's got a governor on it, limiting it to 45 mph. You want to be able to drive 65 Mph. The car is completely capable of going that speed. The manufacturer has been selling the same *exact* car, without the governor for the same price as they are asking you to pay now, only now you have to pay to remove the governor. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Exactly!!! I'm not saying that there's no opportunity for abuse by the vendor, but as stated, this change in production makes it easier for both me AND Intel. They get a more consist fabrication process where they can more easily match price points with market demand for certain CPU capacity, and I get to purchase power I need today at a cost I like today AND be able to increase it relatively cost effectively later. ASB (My XeeSM Profile) Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:29 PM, richardmccl...@aspca.org wrote: Similarly, suppose you later wish to upgrade to 4 cores. Which would you prefer: a - shut down the server, pull it from the rack, remove the cooling units, pull the CPU, replace (etc), and update the BIOS? b - boot off a piece of media which enables the other two cores, updates, the BIOS, etc? Personally, I like b -- richard Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote on 09/21/2010 11:24:37 AM: Crippled relative to what: Maximum capacity that you have no intention of paying for? How is it crippled if it accomplishes the work you paid for it to accomplish? If Intel sells one model of CPU with 2 cores for $100, and another with 4 cores for $175, and you decide to purchase the 2-core product because it has an appropriate cost/benefit ratio for you, then how is it suddenly a problem if they sell a 4 core product with 2 cores locked for the same $100? How is that crippled? ASB On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:42 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: In my personal opinion, if certain features are disabled and the CPU is not capable of running at it's full potential (barring any manufacturing defects which would cause it to be sold as a lower performing chip, as is common these days) then I, personally, would consider it crippled or hamstrung if you prefer. That's my personal opinion and I think it's a lousy way to do business. Now, if you're willing to buy hardware that has been *artificially* dumbed down with the knowledge that you can undo that by paying Intel a fee, then by all means, feel free to do that. Personally, if I have the option of buying a CPU that is NOT artificially dumbed down or has some features disabled strictly so Intel can charge me to unlock those features, I will opt for the competitor's CPU that doesn't have those artificial restrictions. That's just my 2¢. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Re: Automatic updates, WSUS, managed patches, oh my!
I vote for GPO. -Jeff Steward On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: Folks, I recently implemented a workstation management product that does patching (Windows updates, Acrobat, and a few other vendors). Until now we used a WSUS server and it worked fine. What I am seeing is workstations are still registering with the WSUS server, the server not yet retired. What are your recommendations to stop this. I could do any of the following: - write a script so that customized WSUS registry keys are removed/set back to default. These registry edits were done pre-Active Directory when we used Zenworks. - disable or set to manual automatic updates using a GPO The new management software has its own agent so I don't need automatic updates to be enabled. But I do wish it not to be disabled should we need to manually run updates for some reason. Recommendations? Tom Miller Engineer, Information Technology Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board 757-788-0528 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Automatic updates, WSUS, managed patches, oh my!
You can remove the registry keys via GPO and/or change the service options in the same way. Either way GPO is the best option if all your machines are domain-joined. On 22 September 2010 13:59, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: Folks, I recently implemented a workstation management product that does patching (Windows updates, Acrobat, and a few other vendors). Until now we used a WSUS server and it worked fine. What I am seeing is workstations are still registering with the WSUS server, the server not yet retired. What are your recommendations to stop this. I could do any of the following: - write a script so that customized WSUS registry keys are removed/set back to default. These registry edits were done pre-Active Directory when we used Zenworks. - disable or set to manual automatic updates using a GPO The new management software has its own agent so I don't need automatic updates to be enabled. But I do wish it not to be disabled should we need to manually run updates for some reason. Recommendations? Tom Miller Engineer, Information Technology Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board 757-788-0528 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server?
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:20 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I thought Real Networks was in contention in that it was a “neutral” codec with no affiliation with either MS or Apple? What SAN are we going to store the signature on? Would we use a Cisco or HP switch? LOL!! (L3+) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation
We started buying diapers/wipes several months ahead of the birth of our triplets. It was only a little addition to each shopping trip, but helped ease the financial burden when they showed up. Stick to size newborn/1/2. They really go through them at first. On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.comwrote: You better be catching up on as many diapers as possible. *From:* Tony Patton [mailto:apco...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:33 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation My wife is expecting twin boys around the week leading up to Xmas, I'm trying to catch up on as much sleep as possible on preparation :) On 20 Sep 2010 14:42, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Twins rock...but I couldn't imagine coping with mine on my own I met a couple last week who had quintuplets. And they already had a six-year old. The thought of that made me shiver. On 20 September 2010 14:39, William J. Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com wrote: Holy cow! I can't... -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
odd local profile behavior
Gent's I'm just looking for some thoughts here. Please understand my environment is not the most modern (we'll leave it at that) over the last week we have had several machines come up with corrupt local profiles all the machines in question do run AV software (SAV 9.0.338) All machines are XP sp3 + patches. this doesn't seem to be an issue of folks inadvertently downloading something (my own desktop has the same problem and I practice safe computing). I also have several NT 4.0 Workstations on the network and none of them have had the problem. I know this is a Sky high post but just looking for some brainstorming ideas as to what may be causing it. --Steve PS, sorry for the remedial question but I'm running out of ideas (and we are rebuilding machines at an alarming rate) ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
OpenSource Network/Systems Monitoring
I know a lot of you use Nagios for your oss monitoring needs, but I'd love to hear from people who have tested multiple products: I'm looking to upgrade the monitoring at %WORK% from a combination of Old SiteScope and some Zenoss, to one of the following: - *OpenNMS *-- http://www.opennms.org/ - *Zabbix *-- http://www.zabbix.com/ http://www.zabbix.com/download.php - *Hyperic *-- http://www.hyperic.com/products/open-source-systems-monitoring I don't want separate consoles for Servers and Network devices, as we do today. And I'm not so concerned about commercial support, although it would be a plus to deploy an option that has both community support and commercial support options. I've used Nagios in the past, but I prefer to deploy and manage something that is less finicky to initially configure -- especially since I won't be managing it directly. I don't care what platform it runs on. I'll likely run it in a VM, unless performance is horrid. Here are some relevant stats: - ~250 Windows and Linux servers (85% / 15%) - -- 20% of the environment is virtualized (ESX/ESXi) - -- Windows = 2003 2008 - -- Linux = Ubuntu - ~50 Network Devices (90% Cisco) - Currently, devices to be monitored are in 4 locations, including the NOC, with 2 more to come online by year's end - Monitoring server can run on Linux or Windows -- no preference - Need agents (if supported) for Windows, Linux, and one Mac Oh, and on a side note, I'm likely going to run whatever I pick for %WORK% on my home network as well. Thoughts, comments, etc? *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation
You mean They really blow through them at first. From: Robert Cato [mailto:cato.rob...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation We started buying diapers/wipes several months ahead of the birth of our triplets. It was only a little addition to each shopping trip, but helped ease the financial burden when they showed up. Stick to size newborn/1/2. They really go through them at first. On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.com wrote: You better be catching up on as many diapers as possible. From: Tony Patton [mailto:apco...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation My wife is expecting twin boys around the week leading up to Xmas, I'm trying to catch up on as much sleep as possible on preparation :) On 20 Sep 2010 14:42, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Twins rock...but I couldn't imagine coping with mine on my own I met a couple last week who had quintuplets. And they already had a six-year old. The thought of that made me shiver. On 20 September 2010 14:39, William J. Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com wrote: Holy cow! I can't... -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c./ .. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: odd local profile behavior
Profile corruption can be caused by all sorts of things. It might be an idea to start redirecting a few areas, such as Desktop and Documents, via GPO. On 22 September 2010 14:20, Steve Hanna sha...@fleet.ca wrote: Gent's I'm just looking for some thoughts here. Please understand my environment is not the most modern (we'll leave it at that) over the last week we have had several machines come up with corrupt local profiles all the machines in question do run AV software (SAV 9.0.338) All machines are XP sp3 + patches. this doesn't seem to be an issue of folks inadvertently downloading something (my own desktop has the same problem and I practice safe computing). I also have several NT 4.0 Workstations on the network and none of them have had the problem. I know this is a Sky high post but just looking for some brainstorming ideas as to what may be causing it. --Steve PS, sorry for the remedial question but I'm running out of ideas (and we are rebuilding machines at an alarming rate) ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
It's already been pointed out that the car analogies aren't helping... *** I think that most folks **who go to the electronics store or Wal-Mart are going to say heck, if this **isn't the top of the line, I don't want it. * You really think that people are going to Walmart for *Top Of The Line*products?!? Alrighty, then... -ASB On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:59 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.comwrote: I'm thinking it's more like you go to the local GM dealership and they sell you a Cadillac, and you drive out off the lot with one of those Kiddy Cadillacs and then the sales rep tells you, Oh, for an additional $1500 you can upgrade to a 'real' car. Based on who this seems to be marketed to (i.e. BestBuy Non-Geek users) I don't see the Best Buy sales associate saying Oh, yeah... buy this, and it'll do great...and if you want more performance, I can sell you an 'upgrade' for $75. I think that most folks who go to the electronics store or Wal-Mart are going to say heck, if this isn't the top of the line, I don't want it. I think this model is going to end up backfiring and causing confusion. The info on the display model says 15 Ghz CPU but it probably isn't going to say For an additional $75 you can get 17 Ghz. That would be confusing to the end user, I think. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU How would you feel if the car lived up to it's performance specs disclosed at the time it was sold to you? -sc -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Ok... back to the automotive example... you buy a car that's got a governor on it, limiting it to 45 mph. You want to be able to drive 65 Mph. The car is completely capable of going that speed. The manufacturer has been selling the same *exact* car, without the governor for the same price as they are asking you to pay now, only now you have to pay to remove the governor. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Exactly!!! I'm not saying that there's no opportunity for abuse by the vendor, but as stated, this change in production makes it easier for both me AND Intel. They get a more consist fabrication process where they can more easily match price points with market demand for certain CPU capacity, and I get to purchase power I need today at a cost I like today AND be able to increase it relatively cost effectively later. ASB (My XeeSM Profile) Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:29 PM, richardmccl...@aspca.org wrote: Similarly, suppose you later wish to upgrade to 4 cores. Which would you prefer: a - shut down the server, pull it from the rack, remove the cooling units, pull the CPU, replace (etc), and update the BIOS? b - boot off a piece of media which enables the other two cores, updates, the BIOS, etc? Personally, I like b -- richard Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote on 09/21/2010 11:24:37 AM: Crippled relative to what: Maximum capacity that you have no intention of paying for? How is it crippled if it accomplishes the work you paid for it to accomplish? If Intel sells one model of CPU with 2 cores for $100, and another with 4 cores for $175, and you decide to purchase the 2-core product because it has an appropriate cost/benefit ratio for you, then how is it suddenly a problem if they sell a 4 core product with 2 cores locked for the same $100? How is that crippled? ASB On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:42 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: In my personal opinion, if certain features are disabled and the CPU is not capable of running at it's full potential (barring any manufacturing defects which would cause it to be sold as a lower performing chip, as is common these days) then I, personally, would consider it crippled or hamstrung if you prefer. That's my personal opinion and I think it's a lousy way to do business. Now, if you're willing to buy hardware that has been *artificially* dumbed down with the knowledge that you can undo that by paying Intel a fee, then by all means, feel free to do that. Personally, if I have the option of buying a CPU that is NOT artificially dumbed down or has some features disabled strictly so Intel can charge me to unlock those features, I will opt for the competitor's CPU that doesn't have those
Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
* Sure you'll be able to buy an unlock code, but will the end-user realize that they are getting the same physical hardware as someone who pays more and know that they can unlock better performance?* Does it matter if they realize that? If what they pay matches the performance they thought they were getting at that price, then the transaction is a huge success. *ASB* * * On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:51 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.comwrote: Here's something I thought of... Sure you'll be able to buy an unlock code, but will the end-user realize that they are getting the same physical hardware as someone who pays more and know that they can unlock better performance? Thinking about the folks who go into Best Buy or WalMart to buy a new computer (this appears to be the market that this new feature is aimed at.) My thought is that they're going to buy whatever is on the shelf and not realize that they just need to buy an upgrade/unlock code to enable better performance. How is that going to help the end-user? From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU I disagree that the costs are being subsidized at the low end. It costs less overall to manage the product as a single unit with unlockable features than a two separate products with hard coded features. And since the primary competitor has still not embraced that model, it is still possible for someone to compare the value of both the low end processor and the high one independently. I'll very that both levels of consumer well get better pricing than before, even as Intel bags more profits. -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Sent from my Motorola Droid On Sep 21, 2010 6:00 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: But another way to l... That works as long as no one can offer a comparable but lower-priced product. If your price is high because your costs are high (living, education, experience, etc.), chances are good you'll have continued work -- potential competitors will likely have similar costs. If your price is high while your costs are low, that's another matter. If competition moves in, your customer base is likely to defect en masse. Even if you lower your prices to compete, you now have a reputation as having a high price/cost ratio. Customers often dislike that, and express their dislike with their wallets. Since legislative action is part of the big picture (with the hardware thing), popular opinion can matter for that reason, too. High price/cost ratios tend to yield unstable long-term economic relationships, unless presti... They're only better for the customers who buy the product with the lower price and get the lower intended performance. The customers who pay for more performance get a worse deal. Both parties get the same physical material. Both benefit from the same NRE. But the high-end guys pay more. They end up subsidizing the low-end guys. Sometimes the high-end people don't mind, but sometimes they do. When people propose taxing the rich to give to the poor, the rich tend to put up a pretty big stink, for example. Frankly, I think that the hardware side of the house has suffered with low margins as compared ... I agree completely. But weren't you just making a point about the scope of this discussion? ;-) I think you're arguing a narrower scope of issues than some other people are. Yes, I am... Well, your choice, but don't be surprised when you get persistent confusion/disagreement. One can win any argument by carefully defining terms. If mutual understanding is the goal, you need to change minds. :) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: odd local profile behavior
+1, there seem to be many reasons for this, and it doesn't appear to be straightforward to figure out, from our experience (anybody with experience to the contrary, please speak up!) We've seen that issue with both local and TS (roaming) profiles, but more commonly with TS profiles. Are you running the User Profile Hive Cleanup Service from Microsoft? That MAY help. Also, I would not think that you would have to be completely rebuilding machines necessarily just because one profile is hosed, so long as you can still login to a viable profile that has admin priviliges. On 2000 and newer you can copy the contents of the profile to an alternate location, go system properties -- advanced -- profiles, and delete the profile in question. Then have the user log back in. You'll have to copy docs, favorites, desktop shortcuts, etc. Unless you have apps that write extensively to the individual users' registry hives, then you should be fine. HTH! Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.comBLOCKED::mailto:%20jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.comBLOCKED::http://www.eaglemds.com/ From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:26 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: odd local profile behavior Profile corruption can be caused by all sorts of things. It might be an idea to start redirecting a few areas, such as Desktop and Documents, via GPO. On 22 September 2010 14:20, Steve Hanna sha...@fleet.camailto:sha...@fleet.ca wrote: Gent's I'm just looking for some thoughts here. Please understand my environment is not the most modern (we'll leave it at that) over the last week we have had several machines come up with corrupt local profiles all the machines in question do run AV software (SAV 9.0.338) All machines are XP sp3 + patches. this doesn't seem to be an issue of folks inadvertently downloading something (my own desktop has the same problem and I practice safe computing). I also have several NT 4.0 Workstations on the network and none of them have had the problem. I know this is a Sky high post but just looking for some brainstorming ideas as to what may be causing it. --Steve PS, sorry for the remedial question but I'm running out of ideas (and we are rebuilding machines at an alarming rate) ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Any medical information contained in this electronic message is CONFIDENTIAL and privileged. It is unlawful for unauthorized persons to view, copy, disclose, or disseminate CONFIDENTIAL information. This electronic message may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual(s) and/or entity named as recipients in the message. If you are not an intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete this material from your computer. Do not deliver, distribute or copy this message, and do not disclose its contents or take any action in reliance on the information that it contains. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
-Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Here's something I thought of... Sure you'll be able to buy an unlock code, but will the end-user realize that they are getting the same physical hardware as someone who pays more and know that they can unlock better performance? Thinking about the folks who go into Best Buy or WalMart to buy a new computer (this appears to be the market that this new feature is aimed at.) My thought is that they're going to buy whatever is on the shelf and not realize that they just need to buy an upgrade/unlock code to enable better performance. How is that going to help the end-user? As long as Walmart doesn't say that the CPU is Quad-Core, but neglect to tell you that you have to pay extra. If Walmart says that the CPU is dual core, 2GHz and supports VT, and it costs $x, then why should anyone care that the CPU can do extra for additional payment. Cheers Ken ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: odd local profile behavior
Have you tried installing Microsoft UPHClean on every workstation? I'm in pretty much the same situation you are WRT the O/S and version for most of my machines, and I don't have any issues here... My guess is that 1) You may have a bunch of failing hard drives (possible, depending on the age of the machines, etc.) 2)SAV is causing the problem. We run Vipre Enterprise here and have not seen the issue. -Original Message- From: Steve Hanna [mailto:sha...@fleet.ca] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: odd local profile behavior Gent's I'm just looking for some thoughts here. Please understand my environment is not the most modern (we'll leave it at that) over the last week we have had several machines come up with corrupt local profiles all the machines in question do run AV software (SAV 9.0.338) All machines are XP sp3 + patches. this doesn't seem to be an issue of folks inadvertently downloading something (my own desktop has the same problem and I practice safe computing). I also have several NT 4.0 Workstations on the network and none of them have had the problem. I know this is a Sky high post but just looking for some brainstorming ideas as to what may be causing it. --Steve PS, sorry for the remedial question but I'm running out of ideas (and we are rebuilding machines at an alarming rate) ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Here's something I thought of... Sure you'll be able to buy an unlock code, but will the end-user realize that they are getting the same physical hardware as someone who pays more and know that they can unlock better performance? Thinking about the folks who go into Best Buy or WalMart to buy a new computer (this appears to be the market that this new feature is aimed at.) My thought is that they're going to buy whatever is on the shelf and not realize that they just need to buy an upgrade/unlock code to enable better performance. How is that going to help the end-user? As long as Walmart doesn't say that the CPU is Quad-Core, but neglect to tell you that you have to pay extra. If Walmart says that the CPU is dual core, 2GHz and supports VT, and it costs $x, then why should anyone care that the CPU can do extra for additional payment. Cheers Ken ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: odd local profile behavior
Great minds... I just posted about the User Profile Hive Cleanup utility. :-) From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: odd local profile behavior +1, there seem to be many reasons for this, and it doesn’t appear to be straightforward to figure out, from our experience (anybody with experience to the contrary, please speak up!) We’ve seen that issue with both local and TS (roaming) profiles, but more commonly with TS profiles. Are you running the User Profile Hive Cleanup Service from Microsoft? That MAY help. Also, I would not think that you would have to be completely rebuilding machines necessarily just because one profile is hosed, so long as you can still login to a viable profile that has admin priviliges. On 2000 and newer you can copy the contents of the profile to an alternate location, go system properties → advanced → profiles, and delete the profile in question. Then have the user log back in. You’ll have to copy docs, favorites, desktop shortcuts, etc. Unless you have apps that write extensively to the individual users’ registry hives, then you should be fine. HTH! Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.com From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:26 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: odd local profile behavior Profile corruption can be caused by all sorts of things. It might be an idea to start redirecting a few areas, such as Desktop and Documents, via GPO. On 22 September 2010 14:20, Steve Hanna sha...@fleet.ca wrote: Gent's I'm just looking for some thoughts here. Please understand my environment is not the most modern (we'll leave it at that) over the last week we have had several machines come up with corrupt local profiles all the machines in question do run AV software (SAV 9.0.338) All machines are XP sp3 + patches. this doesn't seem to be an issue of folks inadvertently downloading something (my own desktop has the same problem and I practice safe computing). I also have several NT 4.0 Workstations on the network and none of them have had the problem. I know this is a Sky high post but just looking for some brainstorming ideas as to what may be causing it. --Steve PS, sorry for the remedial question but I'm running out of ideas (and we are rebuilding machines at an alarming rate) ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Any medical information contained in this electronic message is CONFIDENTIAL and privileged. It is unlawful for unauthorized persons to view, copy, disclose, or disseminate CONFIDENTIAL information. This electronic message may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual(s) and/or entity named as recipients in the message. If you are not an intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete this material from your computer. Do not deliver, distribute or copy this message, and do not disclose its contents or take any action in reliance on the information that it contains. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation
Wear that one proudly. -sc From: Don Ely - sc thinks I am a good man... [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:58 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation How nice of you to recognize it... Lol Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 02:45:03 -0400 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation You are a good man, Don Ely Despite your display name. -sc From: Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:43 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation I will take this empowerment very seriously... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 02:42:15 -0400 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation You can be in charge of forwarding the Top 10 list.. -sc From: Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Yep Letterman is on... :) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 02:37:43 -0400 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Make that 2:35... -sc From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation So it seems... -sc --2:25am and counting... From: Don Ely so sc will stop complaining [mailto:don@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation Sleep is overrated... Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Tony Patton apco...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 07:33:05 +0100 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT the OT OT KVM recommondation My wife is expecting twin boys around the week leading up to Xmas, I'm trying to catch up on as much sleep as possible on preparation :) On 20 Sep 2010 14:42, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Twins rock...but I couldn't imagine coping with mine on my own I met a couple last week who had quintuplets. And they already had a six-year old. The thought of that made me shiver. On 20 September 2010 14:39, William J. Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com wrote: Holy cow! I can't... -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a
RE: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server?
You could just grab a server and some drives to build a small dedicated SIG SAN... provided you had a RAID controller of course. At least for test. The switch question is a good one... would we need line rate speed along with port security that can be granularly applied to multiple outgoing SIG queues, each with a QoS profile that would allow the SIG to be more quickly displayed to important clients? -sc From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 4:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? What SAN are we going to store the signature on? Would we use a Cisco or HP switch? Cheers Ken From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 10:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? I thought Real Networks was in contention in that it was a neutral codec with no affiliation with either MS or Apple? -sc From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? I think we had established that Quicktime was the preferred solution at this stage. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Jim McAtee j...@zolx.com wrote: You're joking, right? You had me going for a second there. - Original Message - From: Doug Hampshire dhampsh...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:40 AM Subject: Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? Do any of these solutions have an option to insert excessively large eMails signatures into them automatically? I'm still looking for a solution that will attach a Flash based video to every eMail we send. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server?
I'm not gonna sleep well knowing those extra ports might rust. -sc From: Anders Blomgren [mailto:chanks...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 4:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? Are you ok with paying $3000 more for 24 ports when you only need 8? I guess people are going to disagree with me here but making 2 different models isn't going to make the smaller one cheaper than a large one locked down. -Anders On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:22 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: And are we OK with the SAN or switch vendor locking out your access to some advanced features, until you pony up the extra cash? On 22 September 2010 09:20, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: What SAN are we going to store the signature on? Would we use a Cisco or HP switch? Cheers Ken From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 10:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? I thought Real Networks was in contention in that it was a neutral codec with no affiliation with either MS or Apple? -sc From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? I think we had established that Quicktime was the preferred solution at this stage. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Jim McAtee j...@zolx.com wrote: You're joking, right? You had me going for a second there. - Original Message - From: Doug Hampshire dhampsh...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:40 AM Subject: Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? Do any of these solutions have an option to insert excessively large eMails signatures into them automatically? I'm still looking for a solution that will attach a Flash based video to every eMail we send. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server?
Is it WebScale? These sigs are, after all, destined for the web, no? -sc From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? I'm installing a 35 TB Lefthand (now HP) SAN in 3 weeks. Will that work? On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:20 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: What SAN are we going to store the signature on? Would we use a Cisco or HP switch? Cheers Ken From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 10:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? I thought Real Networks was in contention in that it was a neutral codec with no affiliation with either MS or Apple? -sc From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? I think we had established that Quicktime was the preferred solution at this stage. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Jim McAtee j...@zolx.com wrote: You're joking, right? You had me going for a second there. - Original Message - From: Doug Hampshire dhampsh...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:40 AM Subject: Re: Cheap/Free POP3/SMTP Server? Do any of these solutions have an option to insert excessively large eMails signatures into them automatically? I'm still looking for a solution that will attach a Flash based video to every eMail we send. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: RDS GPO query
Can you see it on another server? Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RDS GPO query I'm sure there is a simple answer to this but my brain feels mangled.too much driving Is there a reason I can't see the Computer Configuration | Administrative Templates | Windows Components | Remote Desktop Services GPO settings in GPMC? I'm logged on to a 2008 R2 box with Remote Desktop Services role installed but there is no corresponding GPO. There is a Terminal Services one, though. Is this because our DFL is not at 2008 R2 yet? Is there any way I can import it? -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Automatic updates, WSUS, managed patches, oh my!
Turns out there is no GPO setting for manual. It's either on or off. So I'll write a script to edit the registry. Thanks anyway. Tom James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com 9/22/2010 9:06 AM You can remove the registry keys via GPO and/or change the service options in the same way. Either way GPO is the best option if all your machines are domain-joined. On 22 September 2010 13:59, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: Folks, I recently implemented a workstation management product that does patching (Windows updates, Acrobat, and a few other vendors). Until now we used a WSUS server and it worked fine. What I am seeing is workstations are still registering with the WSUS server, the server not yet retired. What are your recommendations to stop this. I could do any of the following: - write a script so that customized WSUS registry keys are removed/set back to default. These registry edits were done pre-Active Directory when we used Zenworks. - disable or set to manual automatic updates using a GPO The new management software has its own agent so I don't need automatic updates to be enabled. But I do wish it not to be disabled should we need to manually run updates for some reason. Recommendations? Tom Miller Engineer, Information Technology Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board 757-788-0528 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Basic hard drive config question, probably.
I have an old Dell PowerEdge 2600 which is my Exchange Server. It has a perc 4 controller with 2 channels. Channel 0 has two mirrored drives and channel 1 has three RAID 5 drives. There is an extra drive bay that I want to use as an independent drive (drive E:), but when I insert it it becomes an unknown drive on channel 0. It does not show up in Windows Disk Management. Is this something I can correct in the bios and if so, what do I need to change? Thanks, Paul Lee Mental Health Center, Inc. providing services through Ruth Cooper Center for Behavioral Health Care and VISTA Behavioral Crisis Services. Visit our website at www.leementalhealth.org http://www.leementalhealth.org/ to learn more. Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipients(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message, including attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
It seems that's an advertising issue as opposed to a technical or am I being robbed issue. Given Intel's prowess in the market, I suspect if there's money to be made with this model, they'll ensure it's effectively marketed. Do you know the Intel Inside campaign? Can you see the logo in your mind? Can you recognize the Intel chimes even if you don't see the commercial? I should think Intel Inside PLUS! shouldn't be too difficult. -sc -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Here's something I thought of... Sure you'll be able to buy an unlock code, but will the end-user realize that they are getting the same physical hardware as someone who pays more and know that they can unlock better performance? Thinking about the folks who go into Best Buy or WalMart to buy a new computer (this appears to be the market that this new feature is aimed at.) My thought is that they're going to buy whatever is on the shelf and not realize that they just need to buy an upgrade/unlock code to enable better performance. How is that going to help the end-user? From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU I disagree that the costs are being subsidized at the low end. It costs less overall to manage the product as a single unit with unlockable features than a two separate products with hard coded features. And since the primary competitor has still not embraced that model, it is still possible for someone to compare the value of both the low end processor and the high one independently. I'll very that both levels of consumer well get better pricing than before, even as Intel bags more profits. -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Sent from my Motorola Droid On Sep 21, 2010 6:00 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: But another way to l... That works as long as no one can offer a comparable but lower-priced product. If your price is high because your costs are high (living, education, experience, etc.), chances are good you'll have continued work -- potential competitors will likely have similar costs. If your price is high while your costs are low, that's another matter. If competition moves in, your customer base is likely to defect en masse. Even if you lower your prices to compete, you now have a reputation as having a high price/cost ratio. Customers often dislike that, and express their dislike with their wallets. Since legislative action is part of the big picture (with the hardware thing), popular opinion can matter for that reason, too. High price/cost ratios tend to yield unstable long-term economic relationships, unless presti... They're only better for the customers who buy the product with the lower price and get the lower intended performance. The customers who pay for more performance get a worse deal. Both parties get the same physical material. Both benefit from the same NRE. But the high-end guys pay more. They end up subsidizing the low-end guys. Sometimes the high-end people don't mind, but sometimes they do. When people propose taxing the rich to give to the poor, the rich tend to put up a pretty big stink, for example. Frankly, I think that the hardware side of the house has suffered with low margins as compared ... I agree completely. But weren't you just making a point about the scope of this discussion? ;-) I think you're arguing a narrower scope of issues than some other people are. Yes, I am... Well, your choice, but don't be surprised when you get persistent confusion/disagreement. One can win any argument by carefully defining terms. If mutual understanding is the goal, you need to change minds. :) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsof... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
Call me out on this one if I am totally off my rocker, but why does it seem that all the folks in this particular debate who are pro this concept of artificial limitations seem to be independent contractors/consultants? Phillip Partipilo Parametric Solutions Inc. Jupiter, Florida (561) 747-6107 -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU It seems that's an advertising issue as opposed to a technical or am I being robbed issue. Given Intel's prowess in the market, I suspect if there's money to be made with this model, they'll ensure it's effectively marketed. Do you know the Intel Inside campaign? Can you see the logo in your mind? Can you recognize the Intel chimes even if you don't see the commercial? I should think Intel Inside PLUS! shouldn't be too difficult. -sc -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Here's something I thought of... Sure you'll be able to buy an unlock code, but will the end-user realize that they are getting the same physical hardware as someone who pays more and know that they can unlock better performance? Thinking about the folks who go into Best Buy or WalMart to buy a new computer (this appears to be the market that this new feature is aimed at.) My thought is that they're going to buy whatever is on the shelf and not realize that they just need to buy an upgrade/unlock code to enable better performance. How is that going to help the end-user? From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU I disagree that the costs are being subsidized at the low end. It costs less overall to manage the product as a single unit with unlockable features than a two separate products with hard coded features. And since the primary competitor has still not embraced that model, it is still possible for someone to compare the value of both the low end processor and the high one independently. I'll very that both levels of consumer well get better pricing than before, even as Intel bags more profits. -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Sent from my Motorola Droid On Sep 21, 2010 6:00 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: But another way to l... That works as long as no one can offer a comparable but lower-priced product. If your price is high because your costs are high (living, education, experience, etc.), chances are good you'll have continued work -- potential competitors will likely have similar costs. If your price is high while your costs are low, that's another matter. If competition moves in, your customer base is likely to defect en masse. Even if you lower your prices to compete, you now have a reputation as having a high price/cost ratio. Customers often dislike that, and express their dislike with their wallets. Since legislative action is part of the big picture (with the hardware thing), popular opinion can matter for that reason, too. High price/cost ratios tend to yield unstable long-term economic relationships, unless presti... They're only better for the customers who buy the product with the lower price and get the lower intended performance. The customers who pay for more performance get a worse deal. Both parties get the same physical material. Both benefit from the same NRE. But the high-end guys pay more. They end up subsidizing the low-end guys. Sometimes the high-end people don't mind, but sometimes they do. When people propose taxing the rich to give to the poor, the rich tend to put up a pretty big stink, for example. Frankly, I think that the hardware side of the house has suffered with low margins as compared ... I agree completely. But weren't you just making a point about the scope of this discussion? ;-) I think you're arguing a narrower scope of issues than some other people are. Yes, I am... Well, your choice, but don't be surprised when you get persistent confusion/disagreement. One can win any argument by carefully defining terms. If mutual understanding is the goal, you need to change minds. :) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsof... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to
RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably.
If I remember the Perc controllers correctly you need to go into the Dell array manager and create a logical disk for the 1 drive (silly since it's not really an array) After that windows should be able to see it. It's been a few years since I worked with the Perc cards though so YMMV. Paul Adams MCTS CCNA NAP From: Paul Everett [mailto:evere...@leementalhealth.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Basic hard drive config question, probably. I have an old Dell PowerEdge 2600 which is my Exchange Server. It has a perc 4 controller with 2 channels. Channel 0 has two mirrored drives and channel 1 has three RAID 5 drives. There is an extra drive bay that I want to use as an independent drive (drive E:), but when I insert it it becomes an unknown drive on channel 0. It does not show up in Windows Disk Management. Is this something I can correct in the bios and if so, what do I need to change? Thanks, Paul Lee Mental Health Center, Inc. providing services through Ruth Cooper Center for Behavioral Health Care and VISTA Behavioral Crisis Services. Visit our website at www.leementalhealth.org http://www.leementalhealth.org/ to learn more. Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipients(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message, including attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Note: This message is intended for use only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably.
+1 It has been a while for me as well - we only have one Dell still in production, but what Paul says sounds right. Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.comBLOCKED::mailto:%20jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.comBLOCKED::http://www.eaglemds.com/ From: Paul Adams [mailto:pad...@humanarc.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably. If I remember the Perc controllers correctly you need to go into the Dell array manager and create a logical disk for the 1 drive (silly since it's not really an array) After that windows should be able to see it. It's been a few years since I worked with the Perc cards though so YMMV. Paul Adams MCTS CCNA NAP From: Paul Everett [mailto:evere...@leementalhealth.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Basic hard drive config question, probably. I have an old Dell PowerEdge 2600 which is my Exchange Server. It has a perc 4 controller with 2 channels. Channel 0 has two mirrored drives and channel 1 has three RAID 5 drives. There is an extra drive bay that I want to use as an independent drive (drive E:), but when I insert it it becomes an unknown drive on channel 0. It does not show up in Windows Disk Management. Is this something I can correct in the bios and if so, what do I need to change? Thanks, Paul Lee Mental Health Center, Inc. providing services through Ruth Cooper Center for Behavioral Health Care and VISTA Behavioral Crisis Services. Visit our website at www.leementalhealth.orghttp://www.leementalhealth.org/ to learn more. Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipients(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message, including attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Note: This message is intended for use only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Any medical information contained in this electronic message is CONFIDENTIAL and privileged. It is unlawful for unauthorized persons to view, copy, disclose, or disseminate CONFIDENTIAL information. This electronic message may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual(s) and/or entity named as recipients in the message. If you are not an intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete this material from your computer. Do not deliver, distribute or copy this message, and do not disclose its contents or take any action in reliance on the information that it contains. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
1) It's be great if you actually answered the question. I deliberately made is simple and singular in order to make a point. 2) Your analogies serve to contradict: an auto sales person will do everything in their power to upsell you options, particularly at the time of purchase. When you return for service, they try again (Would you like the regular oil or the slick new Synthetic with the Incredion additive?). What makes you think the same Best Buy sales droid that tries to push the $75 HDMI cables on the poor sap who just bought a flatscreen is at the same time going to fail to mention a CPU upgrade? 3) Your argument seems to have shifted from being indignant over owning hardware you haven't paid to activate to one of fearing that the upgrade capability won't be effectively communicated to end uses. Does this indicate a change in your previous thoughts on the matter? -sc -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU I'm thinking it's more like you go to the local GM dealership and they sell you a Cadillac, and you drive out off the lot with one of those Kiddy Cadillacs and then the sales rep tells you, Oh, for an additional $1500 you can upgrade to a 'real' car. Based on who this seems to be marketed to (i.e. BestBuy Non-Geek users) I don't see the Best Buy sales associate saying Oh, yeah... buy this, and it'll do great...and if you want more performance, I can sell you an 'upgrade' for $75. I think that most folks who go to the electronics store or Wal-Mart are going to say heck, if this isn't the top of the line, I don't want it. I think this model is going to end up backfiring and causing confusion. The info on the display model says 15 Ghz CPU but it probably isn't going to say For an additional $75 you can get 17 Ghz. That would be confusing to the end user, I think. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU How would you feel if the car lived up to it's performance specs disclosed at the time it was sold to you? -sc -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Ok... back to the automotive example... you buy a car that's got a governor on it, limiting it to 45 mph. You want to be able to drive 65 Mph. The car is completely capable of going that speed. The manufacturer has been selling the same *exact* car, without the governor for the same price as they are asking you to pay now, only now you have to pay to remove the governor. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Exactly!!! I'm not saying that there's no opportunity for abuse by the vendor, but as stated, this change in production makes it easier for both me AND Intel. They get a more consist fabrication process where they can more easily match price points with market demand for certain CPU capacity, and I get to purchase power I need today at a cost I like today AND be able to increase it relatively cost effectively later. ASB (My XeeSM Profile) Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:29 PM, richardmccl...@aspca.org wrote: Similarly, suppose you later wish to upgrade to 4 cores. Which would you prefer: a - shut down the server, pull it from the rack, remove the cooling units, pull the CPU, replace (etc), and update the BIOS? b - boot off a piece of media which enables the other two cores, updates, the BIOS, etc? Personally, I like b -- richard Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote on 09/21/2010 11:24:37 AM: Crippled relative to what: Maximum capacity that you have no intention of paying for? How is it crippled if it accomplishes the work you paid for it to accomplish? If Intel sells one model of CPU with 2 cores for $100, and another with 4 cores for $175, and you decide to purchase the 2-core product because it has an appropriate cost/benefit ratio for you, then how is it suddenly a problem if they sell a 4 core product with 2 cores locked for the same $100? How is that crippled? ASB On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:42 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: In my personal opinion, if certain features are disabled and the CPU is not capable of running at it's
RE: OpenSource Network/Systems Monitoring
What version of Zenoss? The free one? We are implementing the commercial version, altho I'm not a big fan... we've had some pain with it. I don't want to derail your thread, but as an aside I'd be interested in knowing why you are moving away from Zenoss. -sc From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OpenSource Network/Systems Monitoring I know a lot of you use Nagios for your oss monitoring needs, but I'd love to hear from people who have tested multiple products: I'm looking to upgrade the monitoring at %WORK% from a combination of Old SiteScope and some Zenoss, to one of the following: * OpenNMS -- http://www.opennms.org/ http://www.opennms.org/ * Zabbix -- http://www.zabbix.com/ http://www.zabbix.com/download.php * Hyperic -- http://www.hyperic.com/products/open-source-systems-monitoring http://www.hyperic.com/products/open-source-systems-monitoring I don't want separate consoles for Servers and Network devices, as we do today. And I'm not so concerned about commercial support, although it would be a plus to deploy an option that has both community support and commercial support options. I've used Nagios in the past, but I prefer to deploy and manage something that is less finicky to initially configure -- especially since I won't be managing it directly. I don't care what platform it runs on. I'll likely run it in a VM, unless performance is horrid. Here are some relevant stats: * ~250 Windows and Linux servers (85% / 15%) * -- 20% of the environment is virtualized (ESX/ESXi) * -- Windows = 2003 2008 * -- Linux = Ubuntu * ~50 Network Devices (90% Cisco) * Currently, devices to be monitored are in 4 locations, including the NOC, with 2 more to come online by year's end * Monitoring server can run on Linux or Windows -- no preference * Need agents (if supported) for Windows, Linux, and one Mac Oh, and on a side note, I'm likely going to run whatever I pick for %WORK% on my home network as well. Thoughts, comments, etc? ASB (My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably.
+1 Sounds like what I used to do, the PERC cannot present physical drives to the Windows drive manager Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' From: Paul Adams [mailto:pad...@humanarc.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably. If I remember the Perc controllers correctly you need to go into the Dell array manager and create a logical disk for the 1 drive (silly since it’s not really an array) After that windows should be able to see it. It’s been a few years since I worked with the Perc cards though so YMMV. Paul Adams MCTS CCNA NAP From: Paul Everett [mailto:evere...@leementalhealth.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Basic hard drive config question, probably. I have an old Dell PowerEdge 2600 which is my Exchange Server. It has a perc 4 controller with 2 channels. Channel 0 has two mirrored drives and channel 1 has three RAID 5 drives. There is an extra drive bay that I want to use as an independent drive (drive E:), but when I insert it it becomes an unknown drive on channel 0. It does not show up in Windows Disk Management. Is this something I can correct in the bios and if so, what do I need to change? Thanks, Paul Lee Mental Health Center, Inc. providing services through Ruth Cooper Center for Behavioral Health Care and VISTA Behavioral Crisis Services. Visit our website at www.leementalhealth.org http://www.leementalhealth.org/ to learn more. Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipients(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message, including attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Note: This message is intended for use only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
As a former Best Buy drone who was trained to sell parallel printer cables for $40, I resemble that remark. Wait, what? Phillip Partipilo Parametric Solutions Inc. Jupiter, Florida (561) 747-6107 -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:20 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU 1) It's be great if you actually answered the question. I deliberately made is simple and singular in order to make a point. 2) Your analogies serve to contradict: an auto sales person will do everything in their power to upsell you options, particularly at the time of purchase. When you return for service, they try again (Would you like the regular oil or the slick new Synthetic with the Incredion additive?). What makes you think the same Best Buy sales droid that tries to push the $75 HDMI cables on the poor sap who just bought a flatscreen is at the same time going to fail to mention a CPU upgrade? 3) Your argument seems to have shifted from being indignant over owning hardware you haven't paid to activate to one of fearing that the upgrade capability won't be effectively communicated to end uses. Does this indicate a change in your previous thoughts on the matter? -sc -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU I'm thinking it's more like you go to the local GM dealership and they sell you a Cadillac, and you drive out off the lot with one of those Kiddy Cadillacs and then the sales rep tells you, Oh, for an additional $1500 you can upgrade to a 'real' car. Based on who this seems to be marketed to (i.e. BestBuy Non-Geek users) I don't see the Best Buy sales associate saying Oh, yeah... buy this, and it'll do great...and if you want more performance, I can sell you an 'upgrade' for $75. I think that most folks who go to the electronics store or Wal-Mart are going to say heck, if this isn't the top of the line, I don't want it. I think this model is going to end up backfiring and causing confusion. The info on the display model says 15 Ghz CPU but it probably isn't going to say For an additional $75 you can get 17 Ghz. That would be confusing to the end user, I think. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU How would you feel if the car lived up to it's performance specs disclosed at the time it was sold to you? -sc -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Ok... back to the automotive example... you buy a car that's got a governor on it, limiting it to 45 mph. You want to be able to drive 65 Mph. The car is completely capable of going that speed. The manufacturer has been selling the same *exact* car, without the governor for the same price as they are asking you to pay now, only now you have to pay to remove the governor. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Exactly!!! I'm not saying that there's no opportunity for abuse by the vendor, but as stated, this change in production makes it easier for both me AND Intel. They get a more consist fabrication process where they can more easily match price points with market demand for certain CPU capacity, and I get to purchase power I need today at a cost I like today AND be able to increase it relatively cost effectively later. ASB (My XeeSM Profile) Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:29 PM, richardmccl...@aspca.org wrote: Similarly, suppose you later wish to upgrade to 4 cores. Which would you prefer: a - shut down the server, pull it from the rack, remove the cooling units, pull the CPU, replace (etc), and update the BIOS? b - boot off a piece of media which enables the other two cores, updates, the BIOS, etc? Personally, I like b -- richard Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote on 09/21/2010 11:24:37 AM: Crippled relative to what: Maximum capacity that you have no intention of paying for? How is it crippled if it accomplishes the work you paid for it to accomplish? If Intel sells one model of CPU with 2 cores for $100, and another with 4 cores for $175, and you decide to purchase the 2-core
RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably.
HP's Smartarray cards won't present a pre-existing physical drive to Windows without creating a logical volume, either. (which conveniently obliterates any data on it) Phillip Partipilo Parametric Solutions Inc. Jupiter, Florida (561) 747-6107 From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably. +1 Sounds like what I used to do, the PERC cannot present physical drives to the Windows drive manager Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' From: Paul Adams [mailto:pad...@humanarc.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably. If I remember the Perc controllers correctly you need to go into the Dell array manager and create a logical disk for the 1 drive (silly since it's not really an array) After that windows should be able to see it. It's been a few years since I worked with the Perc cards though so YMMV. Paul Adams MCTS CCNA NAP From: Paul Everett [mailto:evere...@leementalhealth.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Basic hard drive config question, probably. I have an old Dell PowerEdge 2600 which is my Exchange Server. It has a perc 4 controller with 2 channels. Channel 0 has two mirrored drives and channel 1 has three RAID 5 drives. There is an extra drive bay that I want to use as an independent drive (drive E:), but when I insert it it becomes an unknown drive on channel 0. It does not show up in Windows Disk Management. Is this something I can correct in the bios and if so, what do I need to change? Thanks, Paul Lee Mental Health Center, Inc. providing services through Ruth Cooper Center for Behavioral Health Care and VISTA Behavioral Crisis Services. Visit our website at www.leementalhealth.orghttp://www.leementalhealth.org/ to learn more. Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipients(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message, including attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Note: This message is intended for use only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
His question is a good one though... by and large you haven't really stated WHY you feel the way you do, when it's been pointed out that you likely get significant BENEFIT from this model, even if you never take advantage of it. The quality of this list goes up when the discourse (even the vigorous ones), includes well-thought out opinions and facts from all sides. -sc -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:57 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Here's something I thought of... Sure you'll be able to buy an unlock code, but will the end-user realize that they are getting the same physical hardware as someone who pays more and know that they can unlock better performance? Thinking about the folks who go into Best Buy or WalMart to buy a new computer (this appears to be the market that this new feature is aimed at.) My thought is that they're going to buy whatever is on the shelf and not realize that they just need to buy an upgrade/unlock code to enable better performance. How is that going to help the end-user? As long as Walmart doesn't say that the CPU is Quad-Core, but neglect to tell you that you have to pay extra. If Walmart says that the CPU is dual core, 2GHz and supports VT, and it costs $x, then why should anyone care that the CPU can do extra for additional payment. Cheers Ken ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably.
Where does it show up as unknown if the Dick Admin MMC isn't seeing it? -sc From: Paul Everett [mailto:evere...@leementalhealth.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Basic hard drive config question, probably. I have an old Dell PowerEdge 2600 which is my Exchange Server. It has a perc 4 controller with 2 channels. Channel 0 has two mirrored drives and channel 1 has three RAID 5 drives. There is an extra drive bay that I want to use as an independent drive (drive E:), but when I insert it it becomes an unknown drive on channel 0. It does not show up in Windows Disk Management. Is this something I can correct in the bios and if so, what do I need to change? Thanks, Paul Lee Mental Health Center, Inc. providing services through Ruth Cooper Center for Behavioral Health Care and VISTA Behavioral Crisis Services. Visit our website at www.leementalhealth.org http://www.leementalhealth.org/ to learn more. Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipients(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message, including attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
I'm neither. And my POV on this represents both my SysAdmin and personal sides. -sc -Original Message- From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:p...@psnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Call me out on this one if I am totally off my rocker, but why does it seem that all the folks in this particular debate who are pro this concept of artificial limitations seem to be independent contractors/consultants? Phillip Partipilo Parametric Solutions Inc. Jupiter, Florida (561) 747-6107 -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU It seems that's an advertising issue as opposed to a technical or am I being robbed issue. Given Intel's prowess in the market, I suspect if there's money to be made with this model, they'll ensure it's effectively marketed. Do you know the Intel Inside campaign? Can you see the logo in your mind? Can you recognize the Intel chimes even if you don't see the commercial? I should think Intel Inside PLUS! shouldn't be too difficult. -sc -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Here's something I thought of... Sure you'll be able to buy an unlock code, but will the end-user realize that they are getting the same physical hardware as someone who pays more and know that they can unlock better performance? Thinking about the folks who go into Best Buy or WalMart to buy a new computer (this appears to be the market that this new feature is aimed at.) My thought is that they're going to buy whatever is on the shelf and not realize that they just need to buy an upgrade/unlock code to enable better performance. How is that going to help the end-user? From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU I disagree that the costs are being subsidized at the low end. It costs less overall to manage the product as a single unit with unlockable features than a two separate products with hard coded features. And since the primary competitor has still not embraced that model, it is still possible for someone to compare the value of both the low end processor and the high one independently. I'll very that both levels of consumer well get better pricing than before, even as Intel bags more profits. -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Sent from my Motorola Droid On Sep 21, 2010 6:00 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: But another way to l... That works as long as no one can offer a comparable but lower-priced product. If your price is high because your costs are high (living, education, experience, etc.), chances are good you'll have continued work -- potential competitors will likely have similar costs. If your price is high while your costs are low, that's another matter. If competition moves in, your customer base is likely to defect en masse. Even if you lower your prices to compete, you now have a reputation as having a high price/cost ratio. Customers often dislike that, and express their dislike with their wallets. Since legislative action is part of the big picture (with the hardware thing), popular opinion can matter for that reason, too. High price/cost ratios tend to yield unstable long-term economic relationships, unless presti... They're only better for the customers who buy the product with the lower price and get the lower intended performance. The customers who pay for more performance get a worse deal. Both parties get the same physical material. Both benefit from the same NRE. But the high-end guys pay more. They end up subsidizing the low-end guys. Sometimes the high-end people don't mind, but sometimes they do. When people propose taxing the rich to give to the poor, the rich tend to put up a pretty big stink, for example. Frankly, I think that the hardware side of the house has suffered with low margins as compared ... I agree completely. But weren't you just making a point about the scope of this discussion? ;-) I think you're arguing a narrower scope of issues than some other people are. Yes, I am... Well, your choice, but don't be surprised when you get persistent confusion/disagreement. One can win any argument by carefully defining terms. If mutual
Re: Automatic updates, WSUS, managed patches, oh my!
What about System Services under Computer | Windows Settings | Security Settings? Turn Automatic Updates to Manual? Or are you alluding to manually performing updates? On 22 September 2010 15:07, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: Turns out there is no GPO setting for manual. It's either on or off. So I'll write a script to edit the registry. Thanks anyway. Tom James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com 9/22/2010 9:06 AM You can remove the registry keys via GPO and/or change the service options in the same way. Either way GPO is the best option if all your machines are domain-joined. On 22 September 2010 13:59, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: Folks, I recently implemented a workstation management product that does patching (Windows updates, Acrobat, and a few other vendors). Until now we used a WSUS server and it worked fine. What I am seeing is workstations are still registering with the WSUS server, the server not yet retired. What are your recommendations to stop this. I could do any of the following: - write a script so that customized WSUS registry keys are removed/set back to default. These registry edits were done pre-Active Directory when we used Zenworks. - disable or set to manual automatic updates using a GPO The new management software has its own agent so I don't need automatic updates to be enabled. But I do wish it not to be disabled should we need to manually run updates for some reason. Recommendations? Tom Miller Engineer, Information Technology Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board 757-788-0528 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: RDS GPO query
haven't tried that, but given that everything else is either 2000 (!!!) or 2003, I thought it wouldn't be worth doing, as I remember RDS only came about in 2008. Will have a look when I get home On 22 September 2010 15:04, Don Guyer don.gu...@prufoxroach.com wrote: Can you see it on another server? Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RDS GPO query I'm sure there is a simple answer to this but my brain feels mangled.too much driving Is there a reason I can't see the *Computer Configuration | Administrative Templates | Windows Components | Remote Desktop Services* GPO settings in GPMC? I'm logged on to a 2008 R2 box with Remote Desktop Services role installed but there is no corresponding GPO. There is a *Terminal Services * one, though. Is this because our DFL is not at 2008 R2 yet? Is there any way I can import it? -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably.
Yeah, but that makes sense, they are ARRAY controllers, not disk controllers. Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:p...@psnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:26 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably. HP’s Smartarray cards won’t present a pre-existing physical drive to Windows without creating a logical volume, either. (which conveniently obliterates any data on it) Phillip Partipilo Parametric Solutions Inc. Jupiter, Florida (561) 747-6107 From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably. +1 Sounds like what I used to do, the PERC cannot present physical drives to the Windows drive manager Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
I'm not an independent consultant - I'm a Wintel architect with HP. -Original Message- From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:p...@psnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 10:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Call me out on this one if I am totally off my rocker, but why does it seem that all the folks in this particular debate who are pro this concept of artificial limitations seem to be independent contractors/consultants? Phillip Partipilo Parametric Solutions Inc. Jupiter, Florida (561) 747-6107 -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU It seems that's an advertising issue as opposed to a technical or am I being robbed issue. Given Intel's prowess in the market, I suspect if there's money to be made with this model, they'll ensure it's effectively marketed. Do you know the Intel Inside campaign? Can you see the logo in your mind? Can you recognize the Intel chimes even if you don't see the commercial? I should think Intel Inside PLUS! shouldn't be too difficult. -sc ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably.
Ya I know, just saying... Not a thing specific to Dell :) Phillip Partipilo Parametric Solutions Inc. Jupiter, Florida (561) 747-6107 From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably. Yeah, but that makes sense, they are ARRAY controllers, not disk controllers. Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:p...@psnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:26 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably. HP's Smartarray cards won't present a pre-existing physical drive to Windows without creating a logical volume, either. (which conveniently obliterates any data on it) Phillip Partipilo Parametric Solutions Inc. Jupiter, Florida (561) 747-6107 From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:23 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably. +1 Sounds like what I used to do, the PERC cannot present physical drives to the Windows drive manager Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably.
It shows up in the Perc mgmt (IIRC you hit ctrl + A at a point just before the windows bootstrap kicks in during start up) and you have to add it in there. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably. Where does it show up as unknown if the Dick Admin MMC isn't seeing it? -sc From: Paul Everett [mailto:evere...@leementalhealth.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Basic hard drive config question, probably. I have an old Dell PowerEdge 2600 which is my Exchange Server. It has a perc 4 controller with 2 channels. Channel 0 has two mirrored drives and channel 1 has three RAID 5 drives. There is an extra drive bay that I want to use as an independent drive (drive E:), but when I insert it it becomes an unknown drive on channel 0. It does not show up in Windows Disk Management. Is this something I can correct in the bios and if so, what do I need to change? Thanks, Paul Lee Mental Health Center, Inc. providing services through Ruth Cooper Center for Behavioral Health Care and VISTA Behavioral Crisis Services. Visit our website at www.leementalhealth.orghttp://www.leementalhealth.org/ to learn more. Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipients(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message, including attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
Accessory/cable/warrantee sales at the big-box electronics stores kills me. Buddy of mine recently asked me to help him buy a new flatscreen. (His 6-yr-old 50 720P plasma which was top of the line in 2004, and for which he paid _$7,000_ for finally died). We ended up finding a nice 60 Sharp Aquos that was open box at Best Buy (we talked them down to $1300.. not bad). Anyway, he was also moving in to the world of digital connections now, and so we needed HDMI cables. I grabbed the cheapest 6-footers I could find at $30 a piece and grimaced... knowing I could get him a pair from monoprice for $8 ea. I told him as much, but he was really jazzed about the purchase, and the NFL opener was that weekend, so he was OK with the price. When the salesdroid tried to upsell me better cables, I gave him a little talking to about digital interconnects, and their performance. And their gouging^H^H^H^H^H^H^H pricing. As it turns out, he had to wait for his wife, as they got a 12 month no-interest finance card and decided to replace their washer and dryer... he and I had to leave for an appointment, and she was going to complete the final payment after we left.. all the details were done. Sure enough that sales dude convinced her the cables I selected weren't going to handle the quality from the Blu Ray player and sold her some $60 jobs... but hey, they have nice shiny connectors and came in a really nice box that has that fake velour-feeling stuff lining the plastic tray. Arrgh. -sc -Original Message- From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:p...@psnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU As a former Best Buy drone who was trained to sell parallel printer cables for $40, I resemble that remark. Wait, what? Phillip Partipilo Parametric Solutions Inc. Jupiter, Florida (561) 747-6107 -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:20 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU 1) It's be great if you actually answered the question. I deliberately made is simple and singular in order to make a point. 2) Your analogies serve to contradict: an auto sales person will do everything in their power to upsell you options, particularly at the time of purchase. When you return for service, they try again (Would you like the regular oil or the slick new Synthetic with the Incredion additive?). What makes you think the same Best Buy sales droid that tries to push the $75 HDMI cables on the poor sap who just bought a flatscreen is at the same time going to fail to mention a CPU upgrade? 3) Your argument seems to have shifted from being indignant over owning hardware you haven't paid to activate to one of fearing that the upgrade capability won't be effectively communicated to end uses. Does this indicate a change in your previous thoughts on the matter? -sc -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU I'm thinking it's more like you go to the local GM dealership and they sell you a Cadillac, and you drive out off the lot with one of those Kiddy Cadillacs and then the sales rep tells you, Oh, for an additional $1500 you can upgrade to a 'real' car. Based on who this seems to be marketed to (i.e. BestBuy Non-Geek users) I don't see the Best Buy sales associate saying Oh, yeah... buy this, and it'll do great...and if you want more performance, I can sell you an 'upgrade' for $75. I think that most folks who go to the electronics store or Wal-Mart are going to say heck, if this isn't the top of the line, I don't want it. I think this model is going to end up backfiring and causing confusion. The info on the display model says 15 Ghz CPU but it probably isn't going to say For an additional $75 you can get 17 Ghz. That would be confusing to the end user, I think. -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU How would you feel if the car lived up to it's performance specs disclosed at the time it was sold to you? -sc -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Ok... back to the automotive example... you buy a car that's got a governor on it, limiting it to 45 mph. You want to be
RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably.
Good question. In the Windows Storage area along with Disk Management, there is Disk Management (Dell OpenManage Array Manager). Unfortunately, it doesn't give me the ability to create a logical drive. Paul From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably. Where does it show up as unknown if the Dick Admin MMC isn't seeing it? -sc From: Paul Everett [mailto:evere...@leementalhealth.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Basic hard drive config question, probably. I have an old Dell PowerEdge 2600 which is my Exchange Server. It has a perc 4 controller with 2 channels. Channel 0 has two mirrored drives and channel 1 has three RAID 5 drives. There is an extra drive bay that I want to use as an independent drive (drive E:), but when I insert it it becomes an unknown drive on channel 0. It does not show up in Windows Disk Management. Is this something I can correct in the bios and if so, what do I need to change? Thanks, Paul Lee Mental Health Center, Inc. providing services through Ruth Cooper Center for Behavioral Health Care and VISTA Behavioral Crisis Services. Visit our website at www.leementalhealth.org http://www.leementalhealth.org/ to learn more. Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipients(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message, including attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: RDS GPO query
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee791756(WS.10).aspx Computer Configuration Group Policy Settings The following Group Policy settings are available under the Computer Configuration\Policies\Administrative Templates\Windows Components\Remote Desktop Services node of the GPMC Carl Webster Citrix Technology Professional http://dabcc.com/Webster From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RDS GPO query I'm sure there is a simple answer to this but my brain feels mangled.too much driving Is there a reason I can't see the Computer Configuration | Administrative Templates | Windows Components | Remote Desktop Services GPO settings in GPMC? I'm logged on to a 2008 R2 box with Remote Desktop Services role installed but there is no corresponding GPO. There is a Terminal Services one, though. Is this because our DFL is not at 2008 R2 yet? Is there any way I can import it? -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OpenSource Network/Systems Monitoring
The Zenoss config has not been suitably reliable, and the networking team in particular has found OpenNMS to be more intuitive from a network device monitoring standpoint. I haven't ruled it out 100%, but we'd have to see rejection of Zabbix, Hyperic and OpenNMS first. Not sure which Zenoss version -- will check today. *ASB* * * On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: What version of Zenoss? The free one? We are implementing the commercial version, altho I’m not a big fan… we’ve had some pain with it. I don’t want to derail your thread, but as an aside I’d be interested in knowing why you are moving away from Zenoss. -sc *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:24 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* OpenSource Network/Systems Monitoring I know a lot of you use Nagios for your oss monitoring needs, but I'd love to hear from people who have tested multiple products: I'm looking to upgrade the monitoring at %WORK% from a combination of Old SiteScope and some Zenoss, to one of the following: - *OpenNMS *-- http://www.opennms.org/ - *Zabbix *-- http://www.zabbix.com/http://www.zabbix.com/download.php - *Hyperic *-- http://www.hyperic.com/products/open-source-systems-monitoring I don't want separate consoles for Servers and Network devices, as we do today. And I'm not so concerned about commercial support, although it would be a plus to deploy an option that has both community support and commercial support options. I've used Nagios in the past, but I prefer to deploy and manage something that is less finicky to initially configure -- especially since I won't be managing it directly. I don't care what platform it runs on. I'll likely run it in a VM, unless performance is horrid. Here are some relevant stats: - ~250 Windows and Linux servers (85% / 15%) - -- 20% of the environment is virtualized (ESX/ESXi) - -- Windows = 2003 2008 - -- Linux = Ubuntu - ~50 Network Devices (90% Cisco) - Currently, devices to be monitored are in 4 locations, including the NOC, with 2 more to come online by year's end - Monitoring server can run on Linux or Windows -- no preference - Need agents (if supported) for Windows, Linux, and one Mac Oh, and on a side note, I'm likely going to run whatever I pick for %WORK% on my home network as well. Thoughts, comments, etc? *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably.
Not sure on Dells, but with Adaptec I have to initialize the hard drive in the RAID Bios before window would see it. whether it was part of a RAID or not. From: Paul Everett [mailto:evere...@leementalhealth.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Basic hard drive config question, probably. I have an old Dell PowerEdge 2600 which is my Exchange Server. It has a perc 4 controller with 2 channels. Channel 0 has two mirrored drives and channel 1 has three RAID 5 drives. There is an extra drive bay that I want to use as an independent drive (drive E:), but when I insert it it becomes an unknown drive on channel 0. It does not show up in Windows Disk Management. Is this something I can correct in the bios and if so, what do I need to change? Thanks, Paul Lee Mental Health Center, Inc. providing services through Ruth Cooper Center for Behavioral Health Care and VISTA Behavioral Crisis Services. Visit our website at www.leementalhealth.org http://www.leementalhealth.org/ to learn more. Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipients(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message, including attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already
We demoed PGP full disk encryption very early this year and in April ponied up for the licenses. Up to that point PGP support was fine - not spectacular, but good enough and quite consistent. Full rollout (260 systems) started last week, and I've had very little success with the responses from tech support requests this month. David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: OpenSource Network/Systems Monitoring
Been using Opsview, a very nice Nagios wrapper program, here with 3 times that many resources. Have both a community and commercial support stream. Takes most of the fun out of setting up your monitors. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OpenSource Network/Systems Monitoring I know a lot of you use Nagios for your oss monitoring needs, but I'd love to hear from people who have tested multiple products: I'm looking to upgrade the monitoring at %WORK% from a combination of Old SiteScope and some Zenoss, to one of the following: * OpenNMS -- http://www.opennms.org/ http://www.opennms.org/ * Zabbix -- http://www.zabbix.com/ http://www.zabbix.com/download.php * Hyperic -- http://www.hyperic.com/products/open-source-systems-monitoring http://www.hyperic.com/products/open-source-systems-monitoring I don't want separate consoles for Servers and Network devices, as we do today. And I'm not so concerned about commercial support, although it would be a plus to deploy an option that has both community support and commercial support options. I've used Nagios in the past, but I prefer to deploy and manage something that is less finicky to initially configure -- especially since I won't be managing it directly. I don't care what platform it runs on. I'll likely run it in a VM, unless performance is horrid. Here are some relevant stats: * ~250 Windows and Linux servers (85% / 15%) * -- 20% of the environment is virtualized (ESX/ESXi) * -- Windows = 2003 2008 * -- Linux = Ubuntu * ~50 Network Devices (90% Cisco) * Currently, devices to be monitored are in 4 locations, including the NOC, with 2 more to come online by year's end * Monitoring server can run on Linux or Windows -- no preference * Need agents (if supported) for Windows, Linux, and one Mac Oh, and on a side note, I'm likely going to run whatever I pick for %WORK% on my home network as well. Thoughts, comments, etc? ASB (My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already
Gotta love Symantec support. we recently put in a client who would require Backup Exec 2010, 4 Remote agents, 2 Echange Agents, 1 SQL agent and 4 hyper-v agents. We installed the trial, and the backup failed constantly, with losing communication to the tape drive. Tape tested out with HP LTT no issues. So contacted Symantec for pre-sales support for approximately £4,000 worth of sale. Symantec response You haven't bought the software or any maintenance therefore no support. Suffice to say we didn't buy the software and sold them DPM instead to run off one of their old servers. Not what the client wanted but they are happy in the end. Graeme On 22 September 2010 15:50, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: We demoed PGP full disk encryption very early this year and in April ponied up for the licenses. Up to that point PGP support was fine – not spectacular, but good enough and quite consistent. Full rollout (260 systems) started last week, and I’ve had very little success with the responses from tech support requests this month. *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- Good news everyone, you have just received and e-mail from me! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
Nice cop out. - WJR On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 08:56, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.comwrote: I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Here's something I thought of... Sure you'll be able to buy an unlock code, but will the end-user realize that they are getting the same physical hardware as someone who pays more and know that they can unlock better performance? Thinking about the folks who go into Best Buy or WalMart to buy a new computer (this appears to be the market that this new feature is aimed at.) My thought is that they're going to buy whatever is on the shelf and not realize that they just need to buy an upgrade/unlock code to enable better performance. How is that going to help the end-user? As long as Walmart doesn't say that the CPU is Quad-Core, but neglect to tell you that you have to pay extra. If Walmart says that the CPU is dual core, 2GHz and supports VT, and it costs $x, then why should anyone care that the CPU can do extra for additional payment. Cheers Ken ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OpenSource Network/Systems Monitoring
I could do with a lot less fun in that area. *ASB* * * On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Craig Sterley cster...@ostusa.com wrote: Been using Opsview, a very nice Nagios wrapper program, here with 3 times that many resources. Have both a community and commercial support stream. Takes most of the “fun” out of setting up your monitors. *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:24 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* OpenSource Network/Systems Monitoring I know a lot of you use Nagios for your oss monitoring needs, but I'd love to hear from people who have tested multiple products: I'm looking to upgrade the monitoring at %WORK% from a combination of Old SiteScope and some Zenoss, to one of the following: - *OpenNMS *-- http://www.opennms.org/ - *Zabbix *-- http://www.zabbix.com/http://www.zabbix.com/download.php - *Hyperic *-- http://www.hyperic.com/products/open-source-systems-monitoring I don't want separate consoles for Servers and Network devices, as we do today. And I'm not so concerned about commercial support, although it would be a plus to deploy an option that has both community support and commercial support options. I've used Nagios in the past, but I prefer to deploy and manage something that is less finicky to initially configure -- especially since I won't be managing it directly. I don't care what platform it runs on. I'll likely run it in a VM, unless performance is horrid. Here are some relevant stats: - ~250 Windows and Linux servers (85% / 15%) - -- 20% of the environment is virtualized (ESX/ESXi) - -- Windows = 2003 2008 - -- Linux = Ubuntu - ~50 Network Devices (90% Cisco) - Currently, devices to be monitored are in 4 locations, including the NOC, with 2 more to come online by year's end - Monitoring server can run on Linux or Windows -- no preference - Need agents (if supported) for Windows, Linux, and one Mac Oh, and on a side note, I'm likely going to run whatever I pick for %WORK% on my home network as well. Thoughts, comments, etc? *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Automatic updates, WSUS, managed patches, oh my!
My error. I was looking at Computer | Admin Templates | Windows Settings | Windows Updates.So I *can* set the service to manual as James pointed out and set Automatic updates to disabled, which means you need to go to the MS update site via the web. Just what I wanted - thanks. James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com 9/22/2010 10:30 AM What about System Services under Computer | Windows Settings | Security Settings? Turn Automatic Updates to Manual? Or are you alluding to manually performing updates? On 22 September 2010 15:07, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: Turns out there is no GPO setting for manual. It's either on or off. So I'll write a script to edit the registry. Thanks anyway. Tom James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com 9/22/2010 9:06 AM You can remove the registry keys via GPO and/or change the service options in the same way. Either way GPO is the best option if all your machines are domain-joined. On 22 September 2010 13:59, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: Folks, I recently implemented a workstation management product that does patching (Windows updates, Acrobat, and a few other vendors). Until now we used a WSUS server and it worked fine. What I am seeing is workstations are still registering with the WSUS server, the server not yet retired. What are your recommendations to stop this. I could do any of the following: - write a script so that customized WSUS registry keys are removed/set back to default. These registry edits were done pre-Active Directory when we used Zenworks. - disable or set to manual automatic updates using a GPO The new management software has its own agent so I don't need automatic updates to be enabled. But I do wish it not to be disabled should we need to manually run updates for some reason. Recommendations? Tom Miller Engineer, Information Technology Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board 757-788-0528 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions
RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
*shrug* This discussion has gone on for awhile and neither side is going to be able to sway the other. I see no need to drag it out and keep it going when we're just going to disagree. I've stated my position, I've tried various examples to explain why I think it's a bad idea, and vice versa, but neither side has budged their position. Why drag it out and risk getting hateful over it? You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine. We're both entitled to try and convince the other that they are wrong, but in the end, if we can't convince each other, the best thing to do is agree to disagree. From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Nice cop out. - WJR On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 08:56, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Here's something I thought of... Sure you'll be able to buy an unlock code, but will the end-user realize that they are getting the same physical hardware as someone who pays more and know that they can unlock better performance? Thinking about the folks who go into Best Buy or WalMart to buy a new computer (this appears to be the market that this new feature is aimed at.) My thought is that they're going to buy whatever is on the shelf and not realize that they just need to buy an upgrade/unlock code to enable better performance. How is that going to help the end-user? As long as Walmart doesn't say that the CPU is Quad-Core, but neglect to tell you that you have to pay extra. If Walmart says that the CPU is dual core, 2GHz and supports VT, and it costs $x, then why should anyone care that the CPU can do extra for additional payment. Cheers Ken ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
Hi John You still thinking about posting pics on that bean bag chair? I love those for watching movies! Thanks Steve On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:19 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: *shrug* This discussion has gone on for awhile and neither side is going to be able to sway the other. I see no need to drag it out and keep it going when we're just going to disagree. I've stated my position, I've tried various examples to explain why I think it's a bad idea, and vice versa, but neither side has budged their position. Why drag it out and risk getting hateful over it? You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine. We're both entitled to try and convince the other that they are wrong, but in the end, if we can't convince each other, the best thing to do is agree to disagree. From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Nice cop out. - WJR On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 08:56, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Here's something I thought of... Sure you'll be able to buy an unlock code, but will the end-user realize that they are getting the same physical hardware as someone who pays more and know that they can unlock better performance? Thinking about the folks who go into Best Buy or WalMart to buy a new computer (this appears to be the market that this new feature is aimed at.) My thought is that they're going to buy whatever is on the shelf and not realize that they just need to buy an upgrade/unlock code to enable better performance. How is that going to help the end-user? As long as Walmart doesn't say that the CPU is Quad-Core, but neglect to tell you that you have to pay extra. If Walmart says that the CPU is dual core, 2GHz and supports VT, and it costs $x, then why should anyone care that the CPU can do extra for additional payment. Cheers Ken ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
Whatever. You do this passive-aggressive arguing shit too often. You start off saying you weren't clear on your original point then you proceed to defend a point you patently have no understanding of, then as what should become clearly your error, you either cease to reply to the email thread, or you pull this let's agree to disagree bullshit. If I could be coerced to give a damn I'd feel sorry for your pathetic, closed-minded, delusional ass. But I can't. You're just pitiful. - WJR On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:19, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.comwrote: *shrug* This discussion has gone on for awhile and neither side is going to be able to sway the other. I see no need to drag it out and keep it going when we're just going to disagree. I've stated my position, I've tried various examples to explain why I think it's a bad idea, and vice versa, but neither side has budged their position. Why drag it out and risk getting hateful over it? You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine. We're both entitled to try and convince the other that they are wrong, but in the end, if we can't convince each other, the best thing to do is agree to disagree. From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Nice cop out. - WJR On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 08:56, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Here's something I thought of... Sure you'll be able to buy an unlock code, but will the end-user realize that they are getting the same physical hardware as someone who pays more and know that they can unlock better performance? Thinking about the folks who go into Best Buy or WalMart to buy a new computer (this appears to be the market that this new feature is aimed at.) My thought is that they're going to buy whatever is on the shelf and not realize that they just need to buy an upgrade/unlock code to enable better performance. How is that going to help the end-user? As long as Walmart doesn't say that the CPU is Quad-Core, but neglect to tell you that you have to pay extra. If Walmart says that the CPU is dual core, 2GHz and supports VT, and it costs $x, then why should anyone care that the CPU can do extra for additional payment. Cheers Ken ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
I don't think it breaks down evenly like that. What would it signify if it did, btw? *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Phillip Partipilo p...@psnet.com wrote: Call me out on this one if I am totally off my rocker, but why does it seem that all the folks in this particular debate who are pro this concept of artificial limitations seem to be independent contractors/consultants? Phillip Partipilo Parametric Solutions Inc. Jupiter, Florida (561) 747-6107 -Original Message- From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU It seems that's an advertising issue as opposed to a technical or am I being robbed issue. Given Intel's prowess in the market, I suspect if there's money to be made with this model, they'll ensure it's effectively marketed. Do you know the Intel Inside campaign? Can you see the logo in your mind? Can you recognize the Intel chimes even if you don't see the commercial? I should think Intel Inside PLUS! shouldn't be too difficult. -sc -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Here's something I thought of... Sure you'll be able to buy an unlock code, but will the end-user realize that they are getting the same physical hardware as someone who pays more and know that they can unlock better performance? Thinking about the folks who go into Best Buy or WalMart to buy a new computer (this appears to be the market that this new feature is aimed at.) My thought is that they're going to buy whatever is on the shelf and not realize that they just need to buy an upgrade/unlock code to enable better performance. How is that going to help the end-user? From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU I disagree that the costs are being subsidized at the low end. It costs less overall to manage the product as a single unit with unlockable features than a two separate products with hard coded features. And since the primary competitor has still not embraced that model, it is still possible for someone to compare the value of both the low end processor and the high one independently. I'll very that both levels of consumer well get better pricing than before, even as Intel bags more profits. -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Sent from my Motorola Droid On Sep 21, 2010 6:00 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: But another way to l... That works as long as no one can offer a comparable but lower-priced product. If your price is high because your costs are high (living, education, experience, etc.), chances are good you'll have continued work -- potential competitors will likely have similar costs. If your price is high while your costs are low, that's another matter. If competition moves in, your customer base is likely to defect en masse. Even if you lower your prices to compete, you now have a reputation as having a high price/cost ratio. Customers often dislike that, and express their dislike with their wallets. Since legislative action is part of the big picture (with the hardware thing), popular opinion can matter for that reason, too. High price/cost ratios tend to yield unstable long-term economic relationships, unless presti... They're only better for the customers who buy the product with the lower price and get the lower intended performance. The customers who pay for more performance get a worse deal. Both parties get the same physical material. Both benefit from the same NRE. But the high-end guys pay more. They end up subsidizing the low-end guys. Sometimes the high-end people don't mind, but sometimes they do. When people propose taxing the rich to give to the poor, the rich tend to put up a pretty big stink, for example. Frankly, I think that the hardware side of the house has suffered with low margins as compared ... I agree completely. But weren't you just making a point about the scope of this discussion? ;-) I think you're arguing a narrower scope of issues than some other people are. Yes, I am... Well, your choice, but don't be surprised when you get persistent confusion/disagreement. One can win any argument by carefully defining terms. If mutual understanding is the goal, you need to change minds.
RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably.
Ah OK... I'm in general agreement with the previous posters then... probably gonna have to let the RAID controller make a volume out of it before NT will see it. -sc From: Paul Everett [mailto:evere...@leementalhealth.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably. Good question. In the Windows Storage area along with Disk Management, there is Disk Management (Dell OpenManage Array Manager). Unfortunately, it doesn't give me the ability to create a logical drive. Paul From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Basic hard drive config question, probably. Where does it show up as unknown if the Dick Admin MMC isn't seeing it? -sc From: Paul Everett [mailto:evere...@leementalhealth.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Basic hard drive config question, probably. I have an old Dell PowerEdge 2600 which is my Exchange Server. It has a perc 4 controller with 2 channels. Channel 0 has two mirrored drives and channel 1 has three RAID 5 drives. There is an extra drive bay that I want to use as an independent drive (drive E:), but when I insert it it becomes an unknown drive on channel 0. It does not show up in Windows Disk Management. Is this something I can correct in the bios and if so, what do I need to change? Thanks, Paul Lee Mental Health Center, Inc. providing services through Ruth Cooper Center for Behavioral Health Care and VISTA Behavioral Crisis Services. Visit our website at www.leementalhealth.org http://www.leementalhealth.org/ to learn more. Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipients(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message, including attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: OpenSource Network/Systems Monitoring
That's a bit of what we've been seeing as well. The WMI queries from Zenoss will intermittently and inexplicably fail, despite WMI queries form a windows box with the same credentials working... We just underwent an upgrade to 3.0x to attempt to address this, and a few other, issues. -sc From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:46 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OpenSource Network/Systems Monitoring The Zenoss config has not been suitably reliable, and the networking team in particular has found OpenNMS to be more intuitive from a network device monitoring standpoint. I haven't ruled it out 100%, but we'd have to see rejection of Zabbix, Hyperic and OpenNMS first. Not sure which Zenoss version -- will check today. ASB On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: What version of Zenoss? The free one? We are implementing the commercial version, altho I'm not a big fan... we've had some pain with it. I don't want to derail your thread, but as an aside I'd be interested in knowing why you are moving away from Zenoss. -sc From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OpenSource Network/Systems Monitoring I know a lot of you use Nagios for your oss monitoring needs, but I'd love to hear from people who have tested multiple products: I'm looking to upgrade the monitoring at %WORK% from a combination of Old SiteScope and some Zenoss, to one of the following: * OpenNMS -- http://www.opennms.org/ http://www.opennms.org/ * Zabbix -- http://www.zabbix.com/ http://www.zabbix.com/download.php * Hyperic -- http://www.hyperic.com/products/open-source-systems-monitoring http://www.hyperic.com/products/open-source-systems-monitoring I don't want separate consoles for Servers and Network devices, as we do today. And I'm not so concerned about commercial support, although it would be a plus to deploy an option that has both community support and commercial support options. I've used Nagios in the past, but I prefer to deploy and manage something that is less finicky to initially configure -- especially since I won't be managing it directly. I don't care what platform it runs on. I'll likely run it in a VM, unless performance is horrid. Here are some relevant stats: * ~250 Windows and Linux servers (85% / 15%) * -- 20% of the environment is virtualized (ESX/ESXi) * -- Windows = 2003 2008 * -- Linux = Ubuntu * ~50 Network Devices (90% Cisco) * Currently, devices to be monitored are in 4 locations, including the NOC, with 2 more to come online by year's end * Monitoring server can run on Linux or Windows -- no preference * Need agents (if supported) for Windows, Linux, and one Mac Oh, and on a side note, I'm likely going to run whatever I pick for %WORK% on my home network as well. Thoughts, comments, etc? ASB (My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already
Of course. It's because we had planned on using it... -sc From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already We demoed PGP full disk encryption very early this year and in April ponied up for the licenses. Up to that point PGP support was fine - not spectacular, but good enough and quite consistent. Full rollout (260 systems) started last week, and I've had very little success with the responses from tech support requests this month. David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: OpenSource Network/Systems Monitoring
Clearly you aren't in to SM. Next think you'll be telling us is that you don't find manually configuring mode lines in an X Windows config file for some odd monitor a relaxing way to spend an evening either -sc From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OpenSource Network/Systems Monitoring I could do with a lot less fun in that area. ASB On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Craig Sterley cster...@ostusa.com wrote: Been using Opsview, a very nice Nagios wrapper program, here with 3 times that many resources. Have both a community and commercial support stream. Takes most of the fun out of setting up your monitors. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OpenSource Network/Systems Monitoring I know a lot of you use Nagios for your oss monitoring needs, but I'd love to hear from people who have tested multiple products: I'm looking to upgrade the monitoring at %WORK% from a combination of Old SiteScope and some Zenoss, to one of the following: * OpenNMS -- http://www.opennms.org/ * Zabbix -- http://www.zabbix.com/ http://www.zabbix.com/download.php * Hyperic -- http://www.hyperic.com/products/open-source-systems-monitoring I don't want separate consoles for Servers and Network devices, as we do today. And I'm not so concerned about commercial support, although it would be a plus to deploy an option that has both community support and commercial support options. I've used Nagios in the past, but I prefer to deploy and manage something that is less finicky to initially configure -- especially since I won't be managing it directly. I don't care what platform it runs on. I'll likely run it in a VM, unless performance is horrid. Here are some relevant stats: * ~250 Windows and Linux servers (85% / 15%) * -- 20% of the environment is virtualized (ESX/ESXi) * -- Windows = 2003 2008 * -- Linux = Ubuntu * ~50 Network Devices (90% Cisco) * Currently, devices to be monitored are in 4 locations, including the NOC, with 2 more to come online by year's end * Monitoring server can run on Linux or Windows -- no preference * Need agents (if supported) for Windows, Linux, and one Mac Oh, and on a side note, I'm likely going to run whatever I pick for %WORK% on my home network as well. Thoughts, comments, etc? ASB (My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
The difference being, is that you don't tend to support your opinions (which you tend to assert strongly) with reason or facts. When given a solid reason that challenges your assertion, instead of addressing it, you alter the discussion, often using analogies that merely serve to re-state your existing opinion, rather than addressing the underlying challenge to your opinion. In this case, multiple experienced people explained why this model would be beneficial to you. Yet, AFAIK, you didn't acknowledge any of those logic cases, and instead went for the overused car analogy, and then eventually shifted your argument to being concerned that the consumer wouldn't be adequately educated about the potential upgrade options (which is quite different than your initial concern). You keep making assertions that don't stand up to facts and then bail. Why? -sc -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU *shrug* This discussion has gone on for awhile and neither side is going to be able to sway the other. I see no need to drag it out and keep it going when we're just going to disagree. I've stated my position, I've tried various examples to explain why I think it's a bad idea, and vice versa, but neither side has budged their position. Why drag it out and risk getting hateful over it? You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine. We're both entitled to try and convince the other that they are wrong, but in the end, if we can't convince each other, the best thing to do is agree to disagree. From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Nice cop out. - WJR On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 08:56, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Here's something I thought of... Sure you'll be able to buy an unlock code, but will the end-user realize that they are getting the same physical hardware as someone who pays more and know that they can unlock better performance? Thinking about the folks who go into Best Buy or WalMart to buy a new computer (this appears to be the market that this new feature is aimed at.) My thought is that they're going to buy whatever is on the shelf and not realize that they just need to buy an upgrade/unlock code to enable better performance. How is that going to help the end-user? As long as Walmart doesn't say that the CPU is Quad-Core, but neglect to tell you that you have to pay extra. If Walmart says that the CPU is dual core, 2GHz and supports VT, and it costs $x, then why should anyone care that the CPU can do extra for additional payment. Cheers Ken ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here:
RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
Let's talk about your feelings. :) From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Whatever. You do this passive-aggressive arguing shit too often. You start off saying you weren't clear on your original point then you proceed to defend a point you patently have no understanding of, then as what should become clearly your error, you either cease to reply to the email thread, or you pull this let's agree to disagree bullshit. If I could be coerced to give a damn I'd feel sorry for your pathetic, closed-minded, delusional ass. But I can't. You're just pitiful. - WJR On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:19, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: *shrug* This discussion has gone on for awhile and neither side is going to be able to sway the other. I see no need to drag it out and keep it going when we're just going to disagree. I've stated my position, I've tried various examples to explain why I think it's a bad idea, and vice versa, but neither side has budged their position. Why drag it out and risk getting hateful over it? You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine. We're both entitled to try and convince the other that they are wrong, but in the end, if we can't convince each other, the best thing to do is agree to disagree. From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.commailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Nice cop out. - WJR On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 08:56, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Here's something I thought of... Sure you'll be able to buy an unlock code, but will the end-user realize that they are getting the same physical hardware as someone who pays more and know that they can unlock better performance? Thinking about the folks who go into Best Buy or WalMart to buy a new computer (this appears to be the market that this new feature is aimed at.) My thought is that they're going to buy whatever is on the shelf and not realize that they just need to buy an upgrade/unlock code to enable better performance. How is that going to help the end-user? As long as Walmart doesn't say that the CPU is Quad-Core, but neglect to tell you that you have to pay extra. If Walmart says that the CPU is dual core, 2GHz and supports VT, and it costs $x, then why should anyone care that the CPU can do extra for additional payment. Cheers Ken ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to
RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
Well, it certainly seems that in this thread some folks don't want to talk about things like FACTS. -sc From: Miller, Michael [mailto:michael.mil...@dys.ohio.gov] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 12:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Let's talk about your feelings. :-) From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Whatever. You do this passive-aggressive arguing shit too often. You start off saying you weren't clear on your original point then you proceed to defend a point you patently have no understanding of, then as what should become clearly your error, you either cease to reply to the email thread, or you pull this let's agree to disagree bullshit. If I could be coerced to give a damn I'd feel sorry for your pathetic, closed-minded, delusional ass. But I can't. You're just pitiful. - WJR On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:19, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: *shrug* This discussion has gone on for awhile and neither side is going to be able to sway the other. I see no need to drag it out and keep it going when we're just going to disagree. I've stated my position, I've tried various examples to explain why I think it's a bad idea, and vice versa, but neither side has budged their position. Why drag it out and risk getting hateful over it? You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine. We're both entitled to try and convince the other that they are wrong, but in the end, if we can't convince each other, the best thing to do is agree to disagree. From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Nice cop out. - WJR On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 08:56, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Here's something I thought of... Sure you'll be able to buy an unlock code, but will the end-user realize that they are getting the same physical hardware as someone who pays more and know that they can unlock better performance? Thinking about the folks who go into Best Buy or WalMart to buy a new computer (this appears to be the market that this new feature is aimed at.) My thought is that they're going to buy whatever is on the shelf and not realize that they just need to buy an upgrade/unlock code to enable better performance. How is that going to help the end-user? As long as Walmart doesn't say that the CPU is Quad-Core, but neglect to tell you that you have to pay extra. If Walmart says that the CPU is dual core, 2GHz and supports VT, and it costs $x, then why should anyone care that the CPU can do extra for additional payment. Cheers Ken ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
You still use FAX? Webster From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Well, it certainly seems that in this thread some folks don't want to talk about things like FACTS. -sc ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Switch opinions
Hi folks, I just wanted to thank everyone for their (strong) opinions on switches. I ended up buying another HP ProCurve. When I talked to HP support about my issue, their only suggestion was to update the firmware - not quite what I was hoping for, and it hasn't solved the issue, but one thing I've done in the meantime is buy a 24 port ProCurve and stick it in my server room and have all servers going through that. And I'm keeping the 48 port ProCurve I have because I can't seem to determine with absolute confidence that it is the source of my issues with the SonicWALL. I think I'm up to about $5000 in consulting fees trying to solve this issue :) Fun, fun! Thanks again, Evan From: pdw1...@hotmail.com [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 8:57 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Switch opinions Aaron, I just wanted to post my thanks for your, and the other debater's, comments. I found the whole thread very interesting and enlightening. I would alos like to say that it was very, very nice to see a debate in which the facts and opinions did not develop into ad hominem attacks and a flame war. From: arohy...@dpsciences.com To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:56:14 -0400 Subject: RE: RE: Switch opinions OK... I'm done arguing this with you guys... it's obvious that this conversation/debate isn't going to go anywhere, and I'm out of time to continue it. I do appreciate the input, though, as I've found myself ignorant of a lot of features that HP has when compared to Cisco... I still like Cisco better though... call it personal preference. Enjoy HP, and I'll enjoy working with Cisco... agree to disagree. The OP simply wanted opinions on Catalyst 2960 switches and support... which I gave. For sake of reference, however, here are my responses to the last statements: ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU
Shooky requires signature on payment for services rendered. -sc From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 12:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU You still use FAX? Webster From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Subject: RE: Intel wants to charge to unlock features already on your CPU Well, it certainly seems that in this thread some folks don't want to talk about things like FACTS. -sc ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Call system voice messages
Hey Folks, We currently use a texting service to send out text to our agency cell phones. We are looking for a service where we can record a message and the cell phones can be called with that voice message. This would be similar to the systems school districts use to send messages to parents about closings, important events. Suggestions? Tom Miller Engineer, Information Technology Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board 757-788-0528 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OpenSource Network/Systems Monitoring
I've also added the following to the list: http://www.netxms.org/download/ http://www.netxms.org/download/It looks pretty intriguing. *ASB* * * On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.comwrote: That’s a bit of what we’ve been seeing as well. The WMI queries from Zenoss will intermittently and inexplicably fail, despite WMI queries form a windows box with the same credentials working… We just underwent an upgrade to 3.0x to attempt to address this, and a few other, issues. -sc *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:46 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OpenSource Network/Systems Monitoring The Zenoss config has not been suitably reliable, and the networking team in particular has found OpenNMS to be more intuitive from a network device monitoring standpoint. I haven't ruled it out 100%, but we'd have to see rejection of Zabbix, Hyperic and OpenNMS first. Not sure which Zenoss version -- will check today. *ASB* * * On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: What version of Zenoss? The free one? We are implementing the commercial version, altho I’m not a big fan… we’ve had some pain with it. I don’t want to derail your thread, but as an aside I’d be interested in knowing why you are moving away from Zenoss. -sc *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:24 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* OpenSource Network/Systems Monitoring I know a lot of you use Nagios for your oss monitoring needs, but I'd love to hear from people who have tested multiple products: I'm looking to upgrade the monitoring at %WORK% from a combination of Old SiteScope and some Zenoss, to one of the following: - *OpenNMS *-- http://www.opennms.org/ - *Zabbix *-- http://www.zabbix.com/http://www.zabbix.com/download.php - *Hyperic *-- http://www.hyperic.com/products/open-source-systems-monitoring I don't want separate consoles for Servers and Network devices, as we do today. And I'm not so concerned about commercial support, although it would be a plus to deploy an option that has both community support and commercial support options. I've used Nagios in the past, but I prefer to deploy and manage something that is less finicky to initially configure -- especially since I won't be managing it directly. I don't care what platform it runs on. I'll likely run it in a VM, unless performance is horrid. Here are some relevant stats: - ~250 Windows and Linux servers (85% / 15%) - -- 20% of the environment is virtualized (ESX/ESXi) - -- Windows = 2003 2008 - -- Linux = Ubuntu - ~50 Network Devices (90% Cisco) - Currently, devices to be monitored are in 4 locations, including the NOC, with 2 more to come online by year's end - Monitoring server can run on Linux or Windows -- no preference - Need agents (if supported) for Windows, Linux, and one Mac Oh, and on a side note, I'm likely going to run whatever I pick for %WORK% on my home network as well. Thoughts, comments, etc? *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Needing a good(fee) template for Certificate of Completion
To all, Needing a good site that has a ready to use template that has the standard, legal sounding wording that someone has completed training. You know... the Blah, Blah, Blah, this person has completed training on Such and Such a date, etc. Ideas? Could be Word, PowerPoint or Publisher. Just need the wording with the ability to change it up a bit. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
