Re: iPhone user can still send emails after being disabled in AD

[Ben N]

AD replication is set for 30 minutes since the DC we would have disabled
the account is at a different site than the DC local to exchange. We've
ruled out people enabling her account that had access. We checked msg
trackign log and it shows delivery right at the time it was in her sent
items.

it just boggles the mind, wish we had our DCs logging archived and set more
granular to see if that gives any clues, but they already overlapped.

-BenN

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

>  Yeah, it appears to be a web.config file change now (2008 / 2008 R2);
> but as far as I can see – it should still default to 15 minutes. Dunno why
> they would see 8+ hours.
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:40 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: iPhone user can still send emails after being disabled in
> AD
>
>  ** **
>
> *There used to be a reg hack to control this too on the IIS side. ***
>
> * *
>
> *Thanks,*
>
> *Brian Desmond*
>
> *br...@briandesmond.com*
>
> * *
>
> *w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132*
>
> * *
>
> *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 6:02 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: iPhone user can still send emails after being disabled in
> AD
>
> ** **
>
> Tst it.
>
> ** **
>
> Then learn to recycle the appPool.
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Ben N [mailto:bennordlan...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 6:55 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: iPhone user can still send emails after being disabled in
> AD
>
> ** **
>
> We are just stumped.. and we have our security people freak'n out on us
> about it...  even with user token caching.. it sounds like it is only for
> 15 minutes? i don't get how they could send an email 16 hours later (the
> last email we saw).
>
> ** **
>
> -BenN
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Brian Desmond 
> wrote:
>
> *That’s most likely exactly it. *
>
> * *
>
> *Thanks,*
>
> *Brian Desmond*
>
> *br...@briandesmond.com*
>
> * *
>
> *w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132*
>
> * *
>
> *From:* Ben N [mailto:bennordlan...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:33 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* iPhone user can still send emails after being disabled in AD***
> *
>
>  
>
> You guys have this issue ever come up? I think this user was disabled in
> AD at about 4pm, and the last email we got from the user's phone was around
> 8am the next morning. iPhone setup with EAS and we have Exchange 2007.
>
>  
>
> Could it be due to user token caching like from this forum post?
>
>
> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/exchangesvrclients/thread/3da53460-ef76-4f01-94c9-f7b96fdaf99d
> 
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RE: iPhone user can still send emails after being disabled in AD

[Michael B. Smith]

Yeah, it appears to be a web.config file change now (2008 / 2008 R2); but as 
far as I can see - it should still default to 15 minutes. Dunno why they would 
see 8+ hours.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: iPhone user can still send emails after being disabled in AD

There used to be a reg hack to control this too on the IIS side.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

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From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 6:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: iPhone user can still send emails after being disabled in AD

Tst it.

Then learn to recycle the appPool.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Ben N 
[mailto:bennordlan...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 6:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: iPhone user can still send emails after being disabled in AD

We are just stumped.. and we have our security people freak'n out on us about 
it...  even with user token caching.. it sounds like it is only for 15 minutes? 
i don't get how they could send an email 16 hours later (the last email we saw).

-BenN
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Brian Desmond 
mailto:br...@briandesmond.com>> wrote:
That's most likely exactly it.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

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From: Ben N [mailto:bennordlan...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: iPhone user can still send emails after being disabled in AD

You guys have this issue ever come up? I think this user was disabled in AD at 
about 4pm, and the last email we got from the user's phone was around 8am the 
next morning. iPhone setup with EAS and we have Exchange 2007.

Could it be due to user token caching like from this forum post?
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/exchangesvrclients/thread/3da53460-ef76-4f01-94c9-f7b96fdaf99d

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RE: iPhone user can still send emails after being disabled in AD

[Brian Desmond]

There used to be a reg hack to control this too on the IIS side.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

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From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 6:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: iPhone user can still send emails after being disabled in AD

Tst it.

Then learn to recycle the appPool.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Ben N 
[mailto:bennordlan...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 6:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: iPhone user can still send emails after being disabled in AD

We are just stumped.. and we have our security people freak'n out on us about 
it...  even with user token caching.. it sounds like it is only for 15 minutes? 
i don't get how they could send an email 16 hours later (the last email we saw).

-BenN
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Brian Desmond 
mailto:br...@briandesmond.com>> wrote:
That's most likely exactly it.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

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From: Ben N [mailto:bennordlan...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: iPhone user can still send emails after being disabled in AD

You guys have this issue ever come up? I think this user was disabled in AD at 
about 4pm, and the last email we got from the user's phone was around 8am the 
next morning. iPhone setup with EAS and we have Exchange 2007.

Could it be due to user token caching like from this forum post?
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/exchangesvrclients/thread/3da53460-ef76-4f01-94c9-f7b96fdaf99d

-BenN

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RE: web filtering

[Bob Fronk]

I have used iPrism for several years.  Very happy with it.  The mobile client 
is excellent.

BF

From: pdw1...@hotmail.com [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: web filtering

I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.  I've 
looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those, I like 
Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.  iPrism is looking 
good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.
I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and 
whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is secondary 
to what actual users experience.
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RE: web filtering

[James Hill]

Long time user of WebMarshal here.  It's cheap and a few years back was quite 
good.  These days development of the product has really fallen behind so I'm 
looking at replacing it.

From: Matthew B Ames [mailto:matthew.a...@qinetiq.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011 3:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: web filtering

*snap*

I know that when WebMarshall decides it can't talk to a DC it blocks internet 
access.  Otherwise I rarely see it blocking anything for me (but I don't search 
for bad things at work!).  We have ours blocking .exe's and the like, it also 
allows for different max sizes of download during the day (I guess to prevent 
us developers  from downloading ISOs all day long and breaking the WAN).

From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
Sent: 08 November 2011 16:56
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: web filtering

We use Webmarshall.   No idea about price or effectiveness.

From: Steve Ens 
[mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: web filtering

I have a BarelyCuda and it works well for me...
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:39 AM, 
mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.  I've 
looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those, I like 
Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.  iPrism is looking 
good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.
I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and 
whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is secondary 
to what actual users experience.
Thanks!

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RE: VM spontaneously shuts down to "saved" state under Hyper-V R2

[Carl Houseman]

The guest VM does show VSS errors, but those have been happening all along,
ever since I started using Windows backup on the H-V host.  Event 12293 from
source VSS:

 

"Volume Shadow Copy Service error: Error calling a routine on the Shadow
Copy Provider {b5946137-7b9f-4925-af80-51abd60b20d5}. Routine details
IVssSnapshotProvider::QueryVolumesSupportedForSnapshots(ProviderId,8388617,.
..) [hr = 0x8000]."

 

There's a total of 7 of these, all identical when the backup begins, and a
single one when the backup completes.

 

Eventid.net led me to this article
  that
suggests that the volume ID should be changed.  Any harm in just trying
that?   And the question that goes along with that, if we're talking about
volumes (separate partitions) within the VM's .VHD, there are two, so do I
need to change the volume ID of both?

 

I haven't waited to see if the backup would complete or checked whether the
backup is even continuing while the VM in saved state.   Maybe I'll get
another chance to observe this evening...

 

Carl

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 4:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: VM spontaneously shuts down to "saved" state under Hyper-V R2

 

Does the backup complete if you don't restart the VM?

 

I'm assuming you saw nothing of interest in the logs of the VM, either.



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On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Carl Houseman  wrote:

I've got Hyper-V 2008 R2 fully security-patched running at home.  I've done
few if any non-security patches on this server, certainly none recently.

It's running two VMs, both Windows 2003, a DC and an Exchange (2003) server.
Every day @ 11 pm the Hyper-V server kicks off a Windows backup (wbadmin) of
the system state, system partition, and partition with the VHDs.   This
happens while the VMs are running of course.   The backup destination is an
external USB drive that's generally spun down when idle.  These backups have
been working fine for about a year.  The Hyper-V hardware itself was
replaced about a month ago, the VHD's copied over to the new instance and
new VM's created using them, and the backups have been working fine for a
couple weeks, until this past week.

 

So, on two occasions (not every occasion) in the past week, about the time
the backup starts, the VM for the DC simply stops, and shows the state as
"saved".   I can start it up again and everything continues like nothing
happened - the backup completes successfully.   Looking through the Hyper-V
server's event logs shows no errors, nor any other events different from a
backup where the VM doesn't stop.

 

Now that I think about it, about a week or so ago, I installed the latest
version of the integration services into both VMs, and one of those enabled
services is volume shadow backups.

 

So it appears I have two choices of 'things to try'.   Either attempt to
revert to an older version of integration services, or apply all of the
non-security updates I've been avoiding.

 

What would you do?

 

thanks,

Carl

 

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RE: web filtering

[Tim Vander Kooi]

We use WebSense currently and are happy with it, but are in the process of 
evaluating Kaspersky which now has web content filtering built into their 
corporate management product. The thing we really like about it is that is 
lives on the machine so it provides consistent protection regardless of which 
network users connect to. WebSense does a great job of protecting us when users 
are on our corporate network, but does no good when they go home with company 
laptops.
The Kaspersky solution also does software installation and patch management and 
of course anti-malware as well as a few other things. We also like their patch 
management as it is based on Secunia so it patches products regardless of 
vendor. Overall, it appears to be a very promising solution to many problems, 
and at a significant cost savings.
Tim

From: pdw1...@hotmail.com [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: web filtering

Around 200 users as not everyone is allowed access to the internet.  Our 
firewall doesn't do any kind of web filtering.
Good reporting must be an essential part of the product.  I just got a request 
from a supervisor asking for a web usage report on all the people in Admitting 
and MI.  Trying to glean that info from syslogs would be a nightmare.  I've 
tried it before on a smaller scale and it was quite time consuming.
The ability to customize for either user or machine, too.  For example,  we 
have a training room set up where people can go and do personal stuff like FB 
or ebay.  So, being able to set a policy so training room pc's can get to those 
sites but block MI or MM pc's is also a requirement.

From: paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk
To: 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: web filtering
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:48:53 +
Our firewall has URL filtering which is provided by Brightcloud.  Seems pretty 
effective.

You've not mentioned user count or what your current firewall is, or what 
you're really trying to do (do you want lot of nice reports on normal activity 
or do you just want to block "bad stuff"?).

FWIW you could use a DNS  service like DYN and you'd get Barracuda's web 
filtering, so you have a ton of options from cheap to very expensive.

Paul

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RE: iPhone user can still send emails after being disabled in AD

[Michael B. Smith]

Tst it.

Then learn to recycle the appPool.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Ben N [mailto:bennordlan...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 6:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: iPhone user can still send emails after being disabled in AD

We are just stumped.. and we have our security people freak'n out on us about 
it...  even with user token caching.. it sounds like it is only for 15 minutes? 
i don't get how they could send an email 16 hours later (the last email we saw).

-BenN
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Brian Desmond 
mailto:br...@briandesmond.com>> wrote:
That's most likely exactly it.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

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From: Ben N [mailto:bennordlan...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: iPhone user can still send emails after being disabled in AD

You guys have this issue ever come up? I think this user was disabled in AD at 
about 4pm, and the last email we got from the user's phone was around 8am the 
next morning. iPhone setup with EAS and we have Exchange 2007.

Could it be due to user token caching like from this forum post?
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/exchangesvrclients/thread/3da53460-ef76-4f01-94c9-f7b96fdaf99d

-BenN

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Re: iPhone user can still send emails after being disabled in AD

[Ben N]

We are just stumped.. and we have our security people freak'n out on us
about it...  even with user token caching.. it sounds like it is only for
15 minutes? i don't get how they could send an email 16 hours later (the
last email we saw).

-BenN

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Brian Desmond wrote:

>  *That’s most likely exactly it. *
>
> * *
>
> *Thanks,*
>
> *Brian Desmond*
>
> *br...@briandesmond.com*
>
> * *
>
> *w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132*
>
> * *
>
> *From:* Ben N [mailto:bennordlan...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:33 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* iPhone user can still send emails after being disabled in AD***
> *
>
> ** **
>
> You guys have this issue ever come up? I think this user was disabled in
> AD at about 4pm, and the last email we got from the user's phone was around
> 8am the next morning. iPhone setup with EAS and we have Exchange 2007.
>
> ** **
>
> Could it be due to user token caching like from this forum post?
>
>
> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/exchangesvrclients/thread/3da53460-ef76-4f01-94c9-f7b96fdaf99d
> 
>
> ** **
>
> -BenN
>
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Re: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[Jonathan Bible]

I am surprised no one has mentioned ShoreTel. It is supported on VMware
4.0. Just remember when you add VOIP to your network it will expose your
latency and misconfigurations because missing 3 seconds of voice is
critical and an email will go unnoticed. VOIP is like the canary in the
mine. It dies first and gets all the blame.  ShoreTel is designed from the
IT prospective and is easy to manage.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 4:48 PM, James Kerr  wrote:

> I've thought about hosted solutions also but we are currently locked into
> contracts for our PRI's. This will be an interesting venture that's for
> sure.
>
> James
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Stu Sjouwerman 
> wrote:
>
>>  James,
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I went through that whole exercise a year ago, and decided for VOIP, but
>> running it
>>
>> In the Cloud as opposed to in-house.  RingCentral gives you an enormous
>> amount of
>>
>> features for about 20 bucks per person per month, unlimited phone
>> minutes.  If you
>>
>> absolutely want to run it in-house, a dedicated server with Asterisk
>> would be a good
>>
>> idea.  VOIP is sensitive to a bunch of things, you need to spec out the
>> hardware
>>
>> correctly.
>>
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Stu 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:57 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine
>>
>>  ** **
>>
>> We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking
>> about VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current phone
>> system (for the most part) has got me thinking about phone system
>> redundancy. I have a desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual
>> machines, if possible. I just don't know if such things exist and was
>> wondering if any of you guys had any info about such systems. We have about
>> 150 phones in two locations two PBXs and one central voice-mail/auto
>> attendant. Venders I've spoke with so far just want to offer newer versions
>> of what we already have. I want something more redundant and easier to
>> bring up again in case of disaster. Thanks for any replies.
>>
>> James
>>
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RE: iPhone user can still send emails after being disabled in AD

[Brian Desmond]

That's most likely exactly it.

Thanks,
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From: Ben N [mailto:bennordlan...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: iPhone user can still send emails after being disabled in AD

You guys have this issue ever come up? I think this user was disabled in AD at 
about 4pm, and the last email we got from the user's phone was around 8am the 
next morning. iPhone setup with EAS and we have Exchange 2007.

Could it be due to user token caching like from this forum post?
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/exchangesvrclients/thread/3da53460-ef76-4f01-94c9-f7b96fdaf99d

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iPhone user can still send emails after being disabled in AD

[Ben N]

You guys have this issue ever come up? I think this user was disabled in AD
at about 4pm, and the last email we got from the user's phone was around
8am the next morning. iPhone setup with EAS and we have Exchange 2007.

Could it be due to user token caching like from this forum post?
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/exchangesvrclients/thread/3da53460-ef76-4f01-94c9-f7b96fdaf99d

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Re: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[James Kerr]

I've thought about hosted solutions also but we are currently locked into
contracts for our PRI's. This will be an interesting venture that's for
sure.

James

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Stu Sjouwerman wrote:

> James,
>
> ** **
>
> I went through that whole exercise a year ago, and decided for VOIP, but
> running it
>
> In the Cloud as opposed to in-house.  RingCentral gives you an enormous
> amount of
>
> features for about 20 bucks per person per month, unlimited phone
> minutes.  If you
>
> absolutely want to run it in-house, a dedicated server with Asterisk would
> be a good
>
> idea.  VOIP is sensitive to a bunch of things, you need to spec out the
> hardware
>
> correctly.
>
>
> Warm regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Stu 
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:57 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine
>
> ** **
>
> We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking
> about VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current phone
> system (for the most part) has got me thinking about phone system
> redundancy. I have a desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual
> machines, if possible. I just don't know if such things exist and was
> wondering if any of you guys had any info about such systems. We have about
> 150 phones in two locations two PBXs and one central voice-mail/auto
> attendant. Venders I've spoke with so far just want to offer newer versions
> of what we already have. I want something more redundant and easier to
> bring up again in case of disaster. Thanks for any replies.
>
> James
>
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RE: Implications of breaking a trust to a non-existent NT4 domain

[Brian Desmond]

1.   Domain Admin

2.   No

3.   No

4.   Recreate it or authoritatively restore the objects for the trust from 
backup

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From: Bill Monicher [mailto:bmacd5...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Implications of breaking a trust to a non-existent NT4 domain


Our AD functional level is W2000Native.
The DCs for the external trust are not available at the moment, and can't be 
without some work.  No computer accounts or user accounts from NT4 domain exist.

This is not a transitive trust, of course, but in Domains and Trusts, it shows 
that this domain trusted ours, and our domain trusted it.

Some questions:
1.  Does the user breaking such a trust from our end need to be an Enterprise 
Admin, or can a lowly domain admin do this successfully?
2.  Are there any implications in breaking this trust other than have it 
disappear from the list, and have the error log messages stop?
3.  Is there any advantage to digging out the backups and creating a DC for the 
NT4 domain and break the trust from that end first?
4.  What is the backout method?

Regards,
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Re: web filtering

[Harry Singh]

For those using Zscaler, are you guys integrating into your AD? If yes,
what is Zscaler using to pull user/group info and how responsive is it to
changes/adds?




On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 4:35 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:

> “we have a training room set up where people can go and do personal stuff
> like FB or ebay.  So, being able to set a policy so training room pc's can
> get to those sites but block MI or MM pc's is also a requirement.”
>
> This is exactly what we do w/ iPrism.  
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* pdw1...@hotmail.com [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 3:53 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: web filtering
>
> ** **
>
> Around 200 users as not everyone is allowed access to the internet.  Our
> firewall doesn't do any kind of web filtering.
> Good reporting must be an essential part of the product.  I just got a
> request from a supervisor asking for a web usage report on all the people
> in Admitting and MI.  Trying to glean that info from syslogs would be a
> nightmare.  I've tried it before on a smaller scale and it was quite time
> consuming.
> The ability to customize for either user or machine, too.  For example,
> we have a training room set up where people can go and do personal stuff
> like FB or ebay.  So, being able to set a policy so training room pc's can
> get to those sites but block MI or MM pc's is also a requirement.
> --
>
> From: paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> Subject: RE: web filtering
> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:48:53 +
>
> Our firewall has URL filtering which is provided by Brightcloud.  Seems
> pretty effective.
>
>  
>
> You’ve not mentioned user count or what your current firewall is, or what
> you’re really trying to do (do you want lot of nice reports on normal
> activity or do you just want to block “bad stuff”?).
>
>  
>
> FWIW you could use a DNS  service like DYN and you’d get Barracuda’s web
> filtering, so you have a ton of options from cheap to very expensive.
>
>  
>
> Paul
>
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Re: VM spontaneously shuts down to "saved" state under Hyper-V R2

[Andrew S. Baker]

Does the backup complete if you don't restart the VM?

I'm assuming you saw nothing of interest in the logs of the VM, either.

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On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Carl Houseman  wrote:

> I've got Hyper-V 2008 R2 fully security-patched running at home.  I've
> done few if any non-security patches on this server, certainly none
> recently.
>
> 
>
> It's running two VMs, both Windows 2003, a DC and an Exchange (2003)
> server.   Every day @ 11 pm the Hyper-V server kicks off a Windows backup
> (wbadmin) of the system state, system partition, and partition with the
> VHDs.   This happens while the VMs are running of course.   The backup
> destination is an external USB drive that's generally spun down when idle.
> These backups have been working fine for about a year.  The Hyper-V
> hardware itself was replaced about a month ago, the VHD's copied over to
> the new instance and new VM's created using them, and the backups have been
> working fine for a couple weeks, until this past week.
>
> ** **
>
> So, on two occasions (not every occasion) in the past week, about the time
> the backup starts, the VM for the DC simply stops, and shows the state as
> "saved".   I can start it up again and everything continues like nothing
> happened – the backup completes successfully.   Looking through the Hyper-V
> server's event logs shows no errors, nor any other events different from a
> backup where the VM doesn't stop.
>
> ** **
>
> Now that I think about it, about a week or so ago, I installed the latest
> version of the integration services into both VMs, and one of those enabled
> services is volume shadow backups.
>
> ** **
>
> So it appears I have two choices of 'things to try'.   Either attempt to
> revert to an older version of integration services, or apply all of the
> non-security updates I've been avoiding.
>
> ** **
>
> What would you do?
>
> ** **
>
> thanks,
>
> Carl
>
>
>

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RE: Print strangness- fixed

[Glen Johnson]

I'm 99.375% sure it was a corrupt print drive on the workstation.
Other people on the same print server/printer could print normally.
Removing and re-installing the printer on the workstation didn't help.
I'm not sure that process actually removes the print driver files completely 
though.
But what worked.
Had the user remove the printer, updated the driver on the server, user 
re-added the printer and life is good.
I'm just hoping that the other users on the same printer will get the new 
driver, like the MS docs say they will.
BTW, it was the HP Universal PCL driver.
Went from version 5.1 something, don't know for sure, to the latest, 5.3.
Thanks for all the suggestions everyone.
Glen.

From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:s...@sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Print strangness

Rebooted the printer? LOL

From: Shauna Hensala [mailto:she...@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 4:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Print strangness

is default 'letter' defined as 8.5" x 11"?


Shauna Hensala



From: gjohn...@vhcc.edu
To: 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: Print strangness
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:11:55 +
Yep.
Set for default "Letter"

From: Shauna Hensala [mailto:she...@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 4:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Print strangness

have you checked the paper size settings?


Shauna Hensala


From: gjohn...@vhcc.edu
To: 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: Print strangness
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 20:58:07 +
Thanks, but that didn't help.
It is printing all pages on one sheet.  I originally was told it was just 2 
pages, but it doesn't matter how many pages the document has, they all print on 
the same piece of paper.
One sheet of paper, with multiple images on the same side of the page.
Just came back for the office where it is happening and I sure don't see any 
setting that would cause that behavior.
I created an excel sheet.
Entered
"This is cell a1" in cell a1
"This is cell a92" in cell a92
"This is cell a109" in cell a109.

Print this sheet, print preview says it will print 3 pages.  Previews look 
normal.  One line per page.
On the printer I get one page, with this.

Top of page.
This is cell a1


Middle of page,
This is cell a109.

Bottom of page.
This is cell a92


It is like the driver isn't sending a form feed command between pages.
Any more advice appreciated?
From: Gary Slinger 
[mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 2:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Print strangness

That is a Word / driver setting.

File / Print / Printer Properties / Advanced / Document Options / Layout 
Options / Page Order = "Front to Back"  (or "Back to Front", as appropriate).
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Glen Johnson 
mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu>> wrote:
Just got a call from a user.  Prints a two page word document, 2nd page prints 
on top of first page.
Os is Win7 enterprise, Word 2010 to a 2008r2 print server using the HP 
Universal print drive to a HP 424 and also HP Color 4700.
All other users on same print server, printer and such are working normally.
Any idea what setting on the workstation might cause that problem?

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RE: web filtering

[John Hornbuckle]

iBoss handles all this very well. You can configure per-user, per-device, or a 
combination. And reporting options are numerous.



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
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From: pdw1...@hotmail.com [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 3:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: web filtering

Around 200 users as not everyone is allowed access to the internet.  Our 
firewall doesn't do any kind of web filtering.
Good reporting must be an essential part of the product.  I just got a request 
from a supervisor asking for a web usage report on all the people in Admitting 
and MI.  Trying to glean that info from syslogs would be a nightmare.  I've 
tried it before on a smaller scale and it was quite time consuming.
The ability to customize for either user or machine, too.  For example,  we 
have a training room set up where people can go and do personal stuff like FB 
or ebay.  So, being able to set a policy so training room pc's can get to those 
sites but block MI or MM pc's is also a requirement.

From: paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk
To: 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: web filtering
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:48:53 +
Our firewall has URL filtering which is provided by Brightcloud.  Seems pretty 
effective.

You've not mentioned user count or what your current firewall is, or what 
you're really trying to do (do you want lot of nice reports on normal activity 
or do you just want to block "bad stuff"?).

FWIW you could use a DNS  service like DYN and you'd get Barracuda's web 
filtering, so you have a ton of options from cheap to very expensive.

Paul

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RE: web filtering

[pdw1914]

Can you tell me why you aren't happy with iPrism?

From: k...@colonialsavings.com
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: web filtering
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 16:51:35 +











I forgot to mention that we’re looking at Zscaler because we’re not real happy 
with iPrism.
 
  
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RE: web filtering

[pdw1914]

Around 200 users as not everyone is allowed access to the internet.  Our 
firewall doesn't do any kind of web filtering.
Good reporting must be an essential part of the product.  I just got a request 
from a supervisor asking for a web usage report on all the people in Admitting 
and MI.  Trying to glean that info from syslogs would be a nightmare.  I've 
tried it before on a smaller scale and it was quite time consuming.
The ability to customize for either user or machine, too.  For example,  we 
have a training room set up where people can go and do personal stuff like FB 
or ebay.  So, being able to set a policy so training room pc's can get to those 
sites but block MI or MM pc's is also a requirement.

From: paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: web filtering
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:48:53 +











Our firewall has URL filtering which is provided by Brightcloud.  Seems pretty 
effective.
 
You’ve not mentioned user count or what your current firewall is, or what 
you’re really trying to do (do you want lot of nice reports on normal activity 
or do you
 just want to block “bad stuff”?).
 
FWIW you could use a DNS  service like DYN and you’d get Barracuda’s web 
filtering, so you have a ton of options from cheap to very expensive.
 
Paul
  
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Implications of breaking a trust to a non-existent NT4 domain

[Bill Monicher]

Our AD functional level is W2000Native.
The DCs for the external trust are not available at the moment, and can't
be without some work.  No computer accounts or user accounts from NT4
domain exist.

This is not a transitive trust, of course, but in Domains and Trusts, it
shows that this domain trusted ours, and our domain trusted it.

Some questions:
1.  Does the user breaking such a trust from our end need to be an
Enterprise Admin, or can a lowly domain admin do this successfully?
2.  Are there any implications in breaking this trust other than have it
disappear from the list, and have the error log messages stop?
3.  Is there any advantage to digging out the backups and creating a DC for
the NT4 domain and break the trust from that end first?
4.  What is the backout method?

Regards,
Brunton

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RE: VM spontaneously shuts down to "saved" state under Hyper-V R2

[Carl Houseman]

OBTW Hyper-V R2 is already SP1.

 

From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 3:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: VM spontaneously shuts down to "saved" state under Hyper-V R2

 

I've got Hyper-V 2008 R2 fully security-patched running at home.  I've done
few if any non-security patches on this server, certainly none recently.

 

It's running two VMs, both Windows 2003, a DC and an Exchange (2003) server.
Every day @ 11 pm the Hyper-V server kicks off a Windows backup (wbadmin) of
the system state, system partition, and partition with the VHDs.   This
happens while the VMs are running of course.   The backup destination is an
external USB drive that's generally spun down when idle.  These backups have
been working fine for about a year.  The Hyper-V hardware itself was replaced
about a month ago, the VHD's copied over to the new instance and new VM's
created using them, and the backups have been working fine for a couple
weeks, until this past week.

 

So, on two occasions (not every occasion) in the past week, about the time
the backup starts, the VM for the DC simply stops, and shows the state as
"saved".   I can start it up again and everything continues like nothing
happened - the backup completes successfully.   Looking through the Hyper-V
server's event logs shows no errors, nor any other events different from a
backup where the VM doesn't stop.

 

Now that I think about it, about a week or so ago, I installed the latest
version of the integration services into both VMs, and one of those enabled
services is volume shadow backups.

 

So it appears I have two choices of 'things to try'.   Either attempt to
revert to an older version of integration services, or apply all of the
non-security updates I've been avoiding.

 

What would you do?

 

thanks,

Carl

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Re: Print strangness

[Cameron]

Sorry if it's been stated before...

Printer Properties, Advanced, Uncheck "Enable advanced printing features"

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Stu Sjouwerman wrote:

>  Rebooted the printer? LOL 
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Shauna Hensala [mailto:she...@msn.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 07, 2011 4:47 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Print strangness
>
> ** **
>
> is default 'letter' defined as 8.5" x 11"?
>
>
> Shauna Hensala
>
>
>
> 
>  --
>
> From: gjohn...@vhcc.edu
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> Subject: RE: Print strangness
> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:11:55 +
>
> Yep.
>
> Set for default “Letter”
>
>  
>
> *From:* Shauna Hensala [mailto:she...@msn.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 07, 2011 4:06 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Print strangness
>
>  
>
> have you checked the paper size settings?
>
>
> Shauna Hensala
>
>
> 
>  --
>
> From: gjohn...@vhcc.edu
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> Subject: RE: Print strangness
> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 20:58:07 +
>
> Thanks, but that didn’t help.
>
> It is printing all pages on one sheet.  I originally was told it was just
> 2 pages, but it doesn’t matter how many pages the document has, they all
> print on the same piece of paper.
>
> One sheet of paper, with multiple images on the same side of the page.
>
> Just came back for the office where it is happening and I sure don’t see
> any setting that would cause that behavior.
>
> I created an excel sheet.
>
> Entered
>
> “This is cell a1” in cell a1
>
> “This is cell a92” in cell a92
>
> “This is cell a109” in cell a109.
>
>  
>
> Print this sheet, print preview says it will print 3 pages.  Previews look
> normal.  One line per page.
>
> On the printer I get one page, with this.
>
>  
>
> Top of page.
>
> This is cell a1
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Middle of page,
>
> This is cell a109.
>
>  
>
> Bottom of page.
>
> This is cell a92
>
>  
>
>  
>
> It is like the driver isn’t sending a form feed command between pages.
>
> Any more advice appreciated?
>
> *From:* Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 07, 2011 2:56 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Print strangness
>
>  
>
> That is a Word / driver setting.
>
> File / Print / Printer Properties / Advanced / Document Options / Layout
> Options / Page Order = "Front to Back"  (or "Back to Front", as
> appropriate).
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Glen Johnson  wrote:***
> *
>
> Just got a call from a user.  Prints a two page word document, 2nd page
> prints on top of first page.
>
> Os is Win7 enterprise, Word 2010 to a 2008r2 print server using the HP
> Universal print drive to a HP 424 and also HP Color 4700.
>
> All other users on same print server, printer and such are working
> normally.
>
> Any idea what setting on the workstation might cause that problem?
>
>  
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RE: Print strangness

[Stu Sjouwerman]

Rebooted the printer? LOL

From: Shauna Hensala [mailto:she...@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 4:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Print strangness

is default 'letter' defined as 8.5" x 11"?


Shauna Hensala




From: gjohn...@vhcc.edu
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: Print strangness
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:11:55 +
Yep.
Set for default "Letter"

From: Shauna Hensala [mailto:she...@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 4:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Print strangness

have you checked the paper size settings?


Shauna Hensala



From: gjohn...@vhcc.edu
To: 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: Print strangness
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 20:58:07 +
Thanks, but that didn't help.
It is printing all pages on one sheet.  I originally was told it was just 2 
pages, but it doesn't matter how many pages the document has, they all print on 
the same piece of paper.
One sheet of paper, with multiple images on the same side of the page.
Just came back for the office where it is happening and I sure don't see any 
setting that would cause that behavior.
I created an excel sheet.
Entered
"This is cell a1" in cell a1
"This is cell a92" in cell a92
"This is cell a109" in cell a109.

Print this sheet, print preview says it will print 3 pages.  Previews look 
normal.  One line per page.
On the printer I get one page, with this.

Top of page.
This is cell a1


Middle of page,
This is cell a109.

Bottom of page.
This is cell a92


It is like the driver isn't sending a form feed command between pages.
Any more advice appreciated?
From: Gary Slinger 
[mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 2:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Print strangness

That is a Word / driver setting.

File / Print / Printer Properties / Advanced / Document Options / Layout 
Options / Page Order = "Front to Back"  (or "Back to Front", as appropriate).
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Glen Johnson 
mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu>> wrote:
Just got a call from a user.  Prints a two page word document, 2nd page prints 
on top of first page.
Os is Win7 enterprise, Word 2010 to a 2008r2 print server using the HP 
Universal print drive to a HP 424 and also HP Color 4700.
All other users on same print server, printer and such are working normally.
Any idea what setting on the workstation might cause that problem?

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RE: web filtering

[Reimer, Mark]

We have a Fortigate firewall, and use the built-in web filtering. Seems to be 
working good for us.

Mark

From: pdw1...@hotmail.com [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: web filtering

I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.  I've 
looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those, I like 
Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.  iPrism is looking 
good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.
I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and 
whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is secondary 
to what actual users experience.
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RE: web filtering

[Ray]

Can't say I've heard of any major problems with it.   But at this point I'm
more of an end user rather than having any responsibility for it. 

 

From: Matthew B Ames [mailto:matthew.a...@qinetiq.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: web filtering

 

*snap*

 

I know that when WebMarshall decides it can't talk to a DC it blocks
internet access.  Otherwise I rarely see it blocking anything for me (but I
don't search for bad things at work!).  We have ours blocking .exe's and the
like, it also allows for different max sizes of download during the day (I
guess to prevent us developers  from downloading ISOs all day long and
breaking the WAN).

 

From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net] 
Sent: 08 November 2011 16:56
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: web filtering

 

We use Webmarshall.   No idea about price or effectiveness.  

 

From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: web filtering

 

I have a BarelyCuda and it works well for me...

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:39 AM,  wrote:

I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.  I've
looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those, I like
Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.  iPrism is
looking good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.  
I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and
whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is
secondary to what actual users experience.  
Thanks!

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RE: web filtering

[Paul Hutchings]

Our firewall has URL filtering which is provided by Brightcloud.  Seems pretty 
effective.

You've not mentioned user count or what your current firewall is, or what 
you're really trying to do (do you want lot of nice reports on normal activity 
or do you just want to block "bad stuff"?).

FWIW you could use a DNS  service like DYN and you'd get Barracuda's web 
filtering, so you have a ton of options from cheap to very expensive.

Paul

From: pdw1...@hotmail.com [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 08 November 2011 16:40
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: web filtering

I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.  I've 
looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those, I like 
Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.  iPrism is looking 
good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.
I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and 
whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is secondary 
to what actual users experience.
Thanks!
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RE: web filtering

[Kim Longenbaugh]

Zscaler allows devices to be monitored and blocked regardless of their 
location.  They can do it without installing an agent.  If desired, they can 
install an agent that will prevent the users from turning off the monitoring.  
What gets blocked at work can be different from what gets blocked when they're 
remote, if you want to allow a more liberal policy when the user's not on your 
production network.

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: web filtering

iPrism here.
Love it.  It was (maybe still is?) the only solution that offers remote 
monitoring of laptops.
There is a small client proxy that gets installed on our laptops, that allows 
them to be monitored and blocked from anywhere they connect.
I just renewed: $2,500 for 15 months.  ~100 users



From: pdw1...@hotmail.com [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: web filtering

I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.  I've 
looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those, I like 
Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.  iPrism is looking 
good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.
I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and 
whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is secondary 
to what actual users experience.
Thanks!
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Re: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[James Kerr]

I called a local 3CX vendor whose info I got from the 3CX site and they
flat out said it has a lot of problems and they were moving away from it.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Matthew W. Ross
wrote:

> As others have mentioned, I know that Shoretel, Cisco and any Asterisk
> solution can be virtualized. Shoretel claims to only support VMWare. I
> don't know about Cisco and Asterisk claims nothing, being an open source
> project. (Digium might offer true VM support, I don't know.)
>
> 3cx looks awesome/cheap, which lures me. It appears to run well on any VM.
> YMMV.
>
> I'd recommend you find the phone system that does what you want/need
> first, then worry about redundancy or virtualization.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: James Kerr
> [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Tue, 08 Nov 2011
> 05:56:53 -0800
> Subject: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine
>
>
> > We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking
> > about VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current phone
> > system (for the most part) has got me thinking about phone system
> > redundancy. I have a desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual
> > machines, if possible. I just don't know if such things exist and was
> > wondering if any of you guys had any info about such systems. We have
> about
> > 150 phones in two locations two PBXs and one central voice-mail/auto
> > attendant. Venders I've spoke with so far just want to offer newer
> versions
> > of what we already have. I want something more redundant and easier to
> > bring up again in case of disaster. Thanks for any replies.
> >
> > James
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Re: web filtering

[Rankin, James R]

Last I checked websense couldn't manage Xenapp 6 - they may have caught up, 
though

Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

-Original Message-
From: "David Mazzaccaro" 
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:10:04 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: web filtering

“Also, websense does has the ability to filter within Citrix sessions.”

 

…as does iPrism.

 

 

 

From: Harry Singh [mailto:hbo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: web filtering

 

Websense now has a solution in place to monitor remote and off-site laptops via 
client or browser setting.

 

I have websense and it is costly, but our juniper appliances have native 
websense/surfcontrol integration and this provided us (about 8 years ago) the 
luxury of not needing to purchase/install devices at each site or clients on 
each desktop. I haven't seen the offerings from other vendors in recent years 
so the gap may not be as pronounced as it was previously.

 

Also, websense does has the ability to filter within Citrix sessions.

 

 

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 11:48 AM, David Mazzaccaro 
 wrote:

iPrism here.

Love it.  It was (maybe still is?) the only solution that offers remote 
monitoring of laptops.

There is a small client proxy that gets installed on our laptops, that allows 
them to be monitored and blocked from anywhere they connect.

I just renewed: $2,500 for 15 months.  ~100 users

 

 

 

From: pdw1...@hotmail.com [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:40 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: web filtering

 

I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.  I've 
looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those, I like 
Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.  iPrism is looking 
good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.  

I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and 
whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is secondary 
to what actual users experience.  
Thanks!

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RE: web filtering

[Matthew W. Ross]

> Love it.  It was (maybe still is?) the only solution that offers remote
> monitoring of laptops.
> 
> There is a small client proxy that gets installed on our laptops, that
> allows them to be monitored and blocked from anywhere they connect.

Lightspeed offers something similar for Win/Mac/iOS/Android.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
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To: NT System Admin Issues
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Sent: Tue, 08 Nov 2011
08:48:00 -0800
Subject: RE: web filtering


> iPrism here.
> 
> Love it.  It was (maybe still is?) the only solution that offers remote
> monitoring of laptops.
> 
> There is a small client proxy that gets installed on our laptops, that
> allows them to be monitored and blocked from anywhere they connect.
> 
> I just renewed: $2,500 for 15 months.  ~100 users
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: pdw1...@hotmail.com [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:40 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: web filtering
> 
>  
> 
> I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.
> I've looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those,
> I like Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.
> iPrism is looking good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.  
> I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
> If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and
> whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
> I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is
> secondary to what actual users experience.  
> Thanks!
> 
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RE: web filtering

[Matthew B Ames]

*snap*

I know that when WebMarshall decides it can't talk to a DC it blocks internet 
access.  Otherwise I rarely see it blocking anything for me (but I don't search 
for bad things at work!).  We have ours blocking .exe's and the like, it also 
allows for different max sizes of download during the day (I guess to prevent 
us developers  from downloading ISOs all day long and breaking the WAN).

From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
Sent: 08 November 2011 16:56
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: web filtering

We use Webmarshall.   No idea about price or effectiveness.

From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: web filtering

I have a BarelyCuda and it works well for me...
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:39 AM, 
mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.  I've 
looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those, I like 
Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.  iPrism is looking 
good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.
I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and 
whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is secondary 
to what actual users experience.
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RE: web filtering

[Jim Holmgren]

We are in the process of implementing Zscaler here to replace our BlueCoat 
boxes.  We have a lot of road warriors, so an on-premise solution was really 
not practical for us any longer.  So far Zscaler performance seems fine and 
their reporting capabilities are very nice.

Jim


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From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: web filtering

I forgot to mention that we're looking at Zscaler because we're not real happy 
with iPrism.

From: pdw1...@hotmail.com 
[mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: web filtering

I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.  I've 
looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those, I like 
Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.  iPrism is looking 
good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.
I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and 
whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is secondary 
to what actual users experience.
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RE: web filtering

[David Mazzaccaro]

“Also, websense does has the ability to filter within Citrix sessions.”

 

…as does iPrism.

 

 

 

From: Harry Singh [mailto:hbo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: web filtering

 

Websense now has a solution in place to monitor remote and off-site laptops via 
client or browser setting.

 

I have websense and it is costly, but our juniper appliances have native 
websense/surfcontrol integration and this provided us (about 8 years ago) the 
luxury of not needing to purchase/install devices at each site or clients on 
each desktop. I haven't seen the offerings from other vendors in recent years 
so the gap may not be as pronounced as it was previously.

 

Also, websense does has the ability to filter within Citrix sessions.

 

 

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 11:48 AM, David Mazzaccaro 
 wrote:

iPrism here.

Love it.  It was (maybe still is?) the only solution that offers remote 
monitoring of laptops.

There is a small client proxy that gets installed on our laptops, that allows 
them to be monitored and blocked from anywhere they connect.

I just renewed: $2,500 for 15 months.  ~100 users

 

 

 

From: pdw1...@hotmail.com [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:40 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: web filtering

 

I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.  I've 
looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those, I like 
Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.  iPrism is looking 
good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.  

I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and 
whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is secondary 
to what actual users experience.  
Thanks!

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Re: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[Matthew W. Ross]

As others have mentioned, I know that Shoretel, Cisco and any Asterisk solution 
can be virtualized. Shoretel claims to only support VMWare. I don't know about 
Cisco and Asterisk claims nothing, being an open source project. (Digium might 
offer true VM support, I don't know.)

3cx looks awesome/cheap, which lures me. It appears to run well on any VM. YMMV.

I'd recommend you find the phone system that does what you want/need first, 
then worry about redundancy or virtualization.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


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To: NT System Admin Issues
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Sent: Tue, 08 Nov 2011
05:56:53 -0800
Subject: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine


> We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking
> about VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current phone
> system (for the most part) has got me thinking about phone system
> redundancy. I have a desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual
> machines, if possible. I just don't know if such things exist and was
> wondering if any of you guys had any info about such systems. We have about
> 150 phones in two locations two PBXs and one central voice-mail/auto
> attendant. Venders I've spoke with so far just want to offer newer versions
> of what we already have. I want something more redundant and easier to
> bring up again in case of disaster. Thanks for any replies.
> 
> James
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RE: web filtering

[John Hornbuckle]

We've been on iBoss for a couple of years now, and have been very pleased. We 
left Websense for iBoss due largely to the pricing.

Integration with Active Directory was a big selling point for us. And having a 
variety of user types ranging from young kids to young adults to adult 
employees, I needed a system that allowed me to easily setup a variety of 
different filtering groups/rules.


John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



From: pdw1...@hotmail.com [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: web filtering

I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.  I've 
looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those, I like 
Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.  iPrism is looking 
good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.
I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and 
whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is secondary 
to what actual users experience.
Thanks!
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RE: web filtering

[Zvonimir Bilic]

We implemented Zscaler in our environment about 3 months ago and are
pretty happy with the product. Let me know if you have any specific
questions.

 

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: web filtering

 

I forgot to mention that we're looking at Zscaler because we're not real
happy with iPrism.

 

From: pdw1...@hotmail.com [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: web filtering

 

I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.
I've looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those,
I like Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.
iPrism is looking good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.  
I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and
whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is
secondary to what actual users experience.  
Thanks!

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Re: web filtering

[Steve Ens]

barracuda works well, but for my remote users I use OpenDNS for filtering.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Steve Ens  wrote:

> I have a BarelyCuda and it works well for me...
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:39 AM,  wrote:
>
>>  I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.
>> I've looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those, I
>> like Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.  iPrism is
>> looking good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.
>> I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
>> If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and
>> whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
>> I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is
>> secondary to what actual users experience.
>> Thanks!
>>
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Re: web filtering

[Rankin, James R]

Cisco's IronPort range do web filtering as well as mail filtering now, IIRC

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Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:39:46 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: web filtering


I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.  I've 
looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those, I like 
Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.  iPrism is looking 
good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.  
I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and 
whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is secondary 
to what actual users experience.  
Thanks!
  
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Re: web filtering

[Harry Singh]

Websense now has a solution in place to monitor remote and off-site laptops
via client or browser setting.

I have websense and it is costly, but our juniper appliances have native
websense/surfcontrol integration and this provided us (about 8 years ago)
the luxury of not needing to purchase/install devices at each site or
clients on each desktop. I haven't seen the offerings from other vendors in
recent years so the gap may not be as pronounced as it was previously.

Also, websense does has the ability to filter within Citrix sessions.



On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 11:48 AM, David Mazzaccaro <
david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:

> iPrism here.
>
> Love it.  It was (maybe still is?) the only solution that offers remote
> monitoring of laptops.
>
> There is a small client proxy that gets installed on our laptops, that
> allows them to be monitored and blocked from anywhere they connect.
>
> I just renewed: $2,500 for 15 months.  ~100 users
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* pdw1...@hotmail.com [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:40 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* web filtering
>
> ** **
>
> I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.
> I've looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those, I
> like Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.  iPrism is
> looking good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.
> I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
> If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and
> whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
> I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is
> secondary to what actual users experience.
> Thanks!
>
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RE: web filtering

[Ray]

We use Webmarshall.   No idea about price or effectiveness.  

 

From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: web filtering

 

I have a BarelyCuda and it works well for me...

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:39 AM,  wrote:

I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.  I've
looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those, I like
Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.  iPrism is
looking good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.  
I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and
whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is
secondary to what actual users experience.  
Thanks!

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Re: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Glen Johnson  wrote:
> I see all the comments re: latency, but I'm sure the server is only used
> for call setup and teardown in our cisco system.

  I can't speak to Cisco, but in many systems the voice
mail/auto-attendant/AVR/IVR/etc. is also on the "PC" hardware.  The
fact that someone is talking to a machine doesn't mean it's not voice.
 :)

> Now there could be issues if using a software conference bridge or some
> such and access to a voice mail system could definitely be problematic
> for a virtual environment.

  Bingo.  :)

-- Ben

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RE: web filtering

[John Leto]

+1 for IPrism

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: web filtering

iPrism here.
Love it.  It was (maybe still is?) the only solution that offers remote 
monitoring of laptops.
There is a small client proxy that gets installed on our laptops, that allows 
them to be monitored and blocked from anywhere they connect.
I just renewed: $2,500 for 15 months.  ~100 users



From: pdw1...@hotmail.com [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: web filtering

I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.  I've 
looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those, I like 
Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.  iPrism is looking 
good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.
I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and 
whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is secondary 
to what actual users experience.
Thanks!
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Re: web filtering

[Matthew W. Ross]

Is this for a school, or for a business?

We use Lightspeed System's TTC. I know of a nearby school that uses iBoss. 
Check'em out.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: pdw1...@hotmail.com
To: NT System
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Sent: Tue, 08
Nov 2011 08:39:46 -0800
Subject: web filtering


> 
> I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.  I've
> looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those, I like
> Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.  iPrism is
> looking good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.  
> I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
> If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and
> whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
> I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is
> secondary to what actual users experience.  
> Thanks!
> 
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RE: web filtering

[Kim Longenbaugh]

I forgot to mention that we're looking at Zscaler because we're not real happy 
with iPrism.

From: pdw1...@hotmail.com [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: web filtering

I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.  I've 
looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those, I like 
Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.  iPrism is looking 
good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.
I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and 
whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is secondary 
to what actual users experience.
Thanks!
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RE: web filtering

[David Mazzaccaro]

iPrism here.

Love it.  It was (maybe still is?) the only solution that offers remote
monitoring of laptops.

There is a small client proxy that gets installed on our laptops, that
allows them to be monitored and blocked from anywhere they connect.

I just renewed: $2,500 for 15 months.  ~100 users

 

 

 

From: pdw1...@hotmail.com [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: web filtering

 

I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.
I've looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those,
I like Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.
iPrism is looking good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.  
I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and
whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is
secondary to what actual users experience.  
Thanks!

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Re: web filtering

[Steve Ens]

I have a BarelyCuda and it works well for me...

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:39 AM,  wrote:

>  I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.
> I've looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those, I
> like Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.  iPrism is
> looking good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.
> I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
> If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and
> whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
> I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is
> secondary to what actual users experience.
> Thanks!
>
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RE: web filtering

[Kim Longenbaugh]

Look into the cloud-based solution ZScaler.  I'm not sure of the pricing 
because I don't have to worry about that end of things.

From: pdw1...@hotmail.com [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: web filtering

I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.  I've 
looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those, I like 
Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.  iPrism is looking 
good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.
I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and 
whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is secondary 
to what actual users experience.
Thanks!
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web filtering

[pdw1914]

I've finally gotten a budget to put in place a web filtering platform.  I've 
looked at three so far: Websense, iPrism and Barracuda.  Of those, I like 
Websense but it was too costly and no one liked Barracuda.  iPrism is looking 
good so far but I'd like to demo a few more.  
I'm not opposed to a cloud-based service either.
If you are using a web-filtering product, can you tell me what it is and 
whether you feel it is worth the price you pay?
I've been reading some reviews on different products, but a review is secondary 
to what actual users experience.  
Thanks!
  
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Re: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[Andrew S. Baker]

With the right hardware (modern CPUs with hardware virtualization
assistance), this can be done.

We've been testing and moving various voice related functions to
virtualization and with modern hardware, its quite pleasant.

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On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:26 AM, John Cook  wrote:

>  While you CAN do it,  I don’t think you (or your users) will be happy
> with the results.  All the Microsoft people (I was just at WinConnections)
> very carefully try to warn you that latency “could be an issue under
> certain load conditions” with their PBX solution (Lync) which they alluded
> to as being in the 40 – 60 user range. I’d tell you that a VOIP system is
> the last type of server you’d want to put in a VM.  Just my $.02 YMMV
>
> ** **
>
>  *John W. Cook*
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>
> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>
> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>
> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>
> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP**4, VTSP4*
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:57 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine
>
> ** **
>
> We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking
> about VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current phone
> system (for the most part) has got me thinking about phone system
> redundancy. I have a desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual
> machines, if possible. I just don't know if such things exist and was
> wondering if any of you guys had any info about such systems. We have about
> 150 phones in two locations two PBXs and one central voice-mail/auto
> attendant. Venders I've spoke with so far just want to offer newer versions
> of what we already have. I want something more redundant and easier to
> bring up again in case of disaster. Thanks for any replies.
>
> James
>
>
>

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RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[Glen Johnson]

I see all the comments re: latency, but I'm sure the server is only used for 
call setup and teardown in our cisco system.
Most of the actual voice traffic doesn't go through the server.
I've actually disconnected the server network cable with calls in progress and 
no one noticed.  Not on purpose, mind you.
Now if the server has special hardware or some gateway or such, then all bets 
are off, but in our cisco system the servers are just generic hp hardware.
Voice traffic is point to point, ie phone to phone or phone to gateway.
Now there could be issues if using a software conference bridge or some such 
and access to a voice mail system could definitely be problematic for a virtual 
environment.


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:56 AM, James Kerr  wrote:
> I have a desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual machines, if possible.

  If the phone system requires any special hardware in the PC, it's unlikely to 
work.  For example, expansion cards for interface to analog or TDM ports.

  For something that's just an Internet Protocol node, it should work.
  expect vendor support will be the biggest issue.  Phone equipment makers 
often act[1] rather ignorant when it comes to their PC-based platforms.  You 
don't want to end up in a "We don't support that configuration" scenario if 
your phones are down.

  From a technical standpoint, it should be fine.  OSes are already 
time-sliced; you're just time-slicing the OS now, too.  There may be some tech 
details to work through.  Real-time voice is very susceptible to latency and 
jitter, so there may be some VM tuning involved there.  You prolly don't want 
to oversubscribe the host resources for that VM.

-- Ben

[1] "Act", not necessarily "are"

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Re: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[Andrew S. Baker]

Which it would be best to avoid, personally...

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On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Glen Johnson  wrote:

>  I’m pretty sure that Cisco now supports their offering in a  VMWare
> environment.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:57 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine
>
> ** **
>
> We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking
> about VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current phone
> system (for the most part) has got me thinking about phone system
> redundancy. I have a desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual
> machines, if possible. I just don't know if such things exist and was
> wondering if any of you guys had any info about such systems. We have about
> 150 phones in two locations two PBXs and one central voice-mail/auto
> attendant. Venders I've spoke with so far just want to offer newer versions
> of what we already have. I want something more redundant and easier to
> bring up again in case of disaster. Thanks for any replies.
>
> James
>
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Re: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[James Kerr]

No, we use Hyper-V but I would not have a problem running VMWare if needed.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:43 AM, John Cook  wrote:

>  James, do you guys  run VMWare? 
>
> ** **
>
>  *John W. Cook*
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>
> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>
> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>
> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>
> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP**4, VTSP4*
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:38 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine
>
>  ** **
>
> Don't be crushed.
>
> ** **
>
> You just need to choose a platform that's supported in virtualization.
> Cisco's Unified Communications Manager, for example.
>
> ** **
>
> -- 
>
> ** **
>
> Phil Brutsche
>
> p...@optimumdata.com
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:12 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine
>
>  ** **
>
> You guys are crushing my hopes and dreams. 
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Ben Scott  wrote:***
> *
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:56 AM, James Kerr  wrote:
> > I have a desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual machines, if
> possible.
>
>   If the phone system requires any special hardware in the PC, it's
>
> unlikely to work.  For example, expansion cards for interface to
> analog or TDM ports.
>
>  For something that's just an Internet Protocol node, it should work.
>  expect vendor support will be the biggest issue.  Phone equipment
> makers often act[1] rather ignorant when it comes to their PC-based
> platforms.  You don't want to end up in a "We don't support that
> configuration" scenario if your phones are down.
>
>  From a technical standpoint, it should be fine.  OSes are already
> time-sliced; you're just time-slicing the OS now, too.  There may be
> some tech details to work through.  Real-time voice is very
> susceptible to latency and jitter, so there may be some VM tuning
> involved there.  You prolly don't want to oversubscribe the host
> resources for that VM.
>
> -- Ben
>
> [1] "Act", not necessarily "are"
>
>
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Re: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[James Kerr]

I'm expecting a call from a Cisco partner so I'll find out what they have
and I replied to Ben Z regarding his shoretel guy off list. I'm also
meeting with our current phone vendor who sold us our InterTel system we
have now which of course is now Mitel, so I'll see what they have. My most
important requirements are redundancy and ease of bringing system back up
in event of a disaster. We are a health clinic so it's important we are
operational as soon as possible after a disaster or some kind of corruption
of the phone systems database, major problem, etc.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Phil Brutsche  wrote:

>  Don't be crushed.
>
> ** **
>
> You just need to choose a platform that's supported in virtualization.
> Cisco's Unified Communications Manager, for example.
>
> ** **
>
> -- 
>
> ** **
>
> Phil Brutsche
>
> p...@optimumdata.com
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:12 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine
>
>  ** **
>
> You guys are crushing my hopes and dreams. 
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Ben Scott  wrote:***
> *
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:56 AM, James Kerr  wrote:
> > I have a desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual machines, if
> possible.
>
>   If the phone system requires any special hardware in the PC, it's
>
> unlikely to work.  For example, expansion cards for interface to
> analog or TDM ports.
>
>  For something that's just an Internet Protocol node, it should work.
>  expect vendor support will be the biggest issue.  Phone equipment
> makers often act[1] rather ignorant when it comes to their PC-based
> platforms.  You don't want to end up in a "We don't support that
> configuration" scenario if your phones are down.
>
>  From a technical standpoint, it should be fine.  OSes are already
> time-sliced; you're just time-slicing the OS now, too.  There may be
> some tech details to work through.  Real-time voice is very
> susceptible to latency and jitter, so there may be some VM tuning
> involved there.  You prolly don't want to oversubscribe the host
> resources for that VM.
>
> -- Ben
>
> [1] "Act", not necessarily "are"
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RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[John Cook]

James, do you guys  run VMWare?

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From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

Don't be crushed.

You just need to choose a platform that's supported in virtualization. Cisco's 
Unified Communications Manager, for example.

--

Phil Brutsche
p...@optimumdata.com

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

You guys are crushing my hopes and dreams.
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Ben Scott 
mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:56 AM, James Kerr 
mailto:cluster...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I have a desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual machines, if possible.
 If the phone system requires any special hardware in the PC, it's
unlikely to work.  For example, expansion cards for interface to
analog or TDM ports.

 For something that's just an Internet Protocol node, it should work.
 expect vendor support will be the biggest issue.  Phone equipment
makers often act[1] rather ignorant when it comes to their PC-based
platforms.  You don't want to end up in a "We don't support that
configuration" scenario if your phones are down.

 From a technical standpoint, it should be fine.  OSes are already
time-sliced; you're just time-slicing the OS now, too.  There may be
some tech details to work through.  Real-time voice is very
susceptible to latency and jitter, so there may be some VM tuning
involved there.  You prolly don't want to oversubscribe the host
resources for that VM.

-- Ben

[1] "Act", not necessarily "are"

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RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[Phil Brutsche]

When you virtualize phone systems it is very common to use an external media 
gateway for POTS access.

In the Cisco world, you would use a 28xx or 29xx router with some combination 
of T1, FXO, and FXS cards as a voice gateway.

They are not the only vendor of such things either.

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From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:56 AM, James Kerr  wrote:
> I have a desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual machines, if possible.

  If the phone system requires any special hardware in the PC, it's unlikely to 
work.  For example, expansion cards for interface to analog or TDM ports.

  For something that's just an Internet Protocol node, it should work.
  expect vendor support will be the biggest issue.  Phone equipment makers 
often act[1] rather ignorant when it comes to their PC-based platforms.  You 
don't want to end up in a "We don't support that configuration" scenario if 
your phones are down.

  From a technical standpoint, it should be fine.  OSes are already 
time-sliced; you're just time-slicing the OS now, too.  There may be some tech 
details to work through.  Real-time voice is very susceptible to latency and 
jitter, so there may be some VM tuning involved there.  You prolly don't want 
to oversubscribe the host resources for that VM.

-- Ben

[1] "Act", not necessarily "are"

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RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[Phil Brutsche]

Don't be crushed.

You just need to choose a platform that's supported in virtualization. Cisco's 
Unified Communications Manager, for example.

--

Phil Brutsche
p...@optimumdata.com

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

You guys are crushing my hopes and dreams.
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Ben Scott 
mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:56 AM, James Kerr 
mailto:cluster...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I have a desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual machines, if possible.
 If the phone system requires any special hardware in the PC, it's
unlikely to work.  For example, expansion cards for interface to
analog or TDM ports.

 For something that's just an Internet Protocol node, it should work.
 expect vendor support will be the biggest issue.  Phone equipment
makers often act[1] rather ignorant when it comes to their PC-based
platforms.  You don't want to end up in a "We don't support that
configuration" scenario if your phones are down.

 From a technical standpoint, it should be fine.  OSes are already
time-sliced; you're just time-slicing the OS now, too.  There may be
some tech details to work through.  Real-time voice is very
susceptible to latency and jitter, so there may be some VM tuning
involved there.  You prolly don't want to oversubscribe the host
resources for that VM.

-- Ben

[1] "Act", not necessarily "are"

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RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[Michael B. Smith]

Right in one.

Regards,

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Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

That they are as believable as a politician's promises?

Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com


From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

I don't buy that one; but you know what they say about vendor's claims :)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: N Parr 
[mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

No I mean Mitel claims they are the only vendor with a virtualized PBX that can 
vmotion it without any loss of call quality or latency.


From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:34 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine
If by "only vendor", you mean VMware, that's probably true until Hyper-V 3.0 
releases sometime next year.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: N Parr 
[mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

I've seen a live Mitel demo where they can vmotion the PBX and the call doesn't 
even flinch.  But only supported on vmware.  They claim they are the only 
vendor capable of that, although I haven't seen proof otherwise.


From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine
I'm pretty sure that Cisco now supports their offering in a  VMWare environment.


From: James Kerr 
[mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking about 
VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current phone system (for 
the most part) has got me thinking about phone system redundancy. I have a 
desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual machines, if possible. I just 
don't know if such things exist and was wondering if any of you guys had any 
info about such systems. We have about 150 phones in two locations two PBXs and 
one central voice-mail/auto attendant. Venders I've spoke with so far just want 
to offer newer versions of what we already have. I want something more 
redundant and easier to bring up again in case of disaster. Thanks for any 
replies.

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RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[John Cook]

Or you could do what we did and have a backup system that the main system fails 
over to immediately, no muss no fuss. It wasn't all that expensive.

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Benjamin Zachary [mailto:li...@levelfive.us]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

I saw that Mitel demo at our datacenter awhile back looked nice.

In our office we have an asterisk box sitting in a VM and never have an issue 
with it. We are only 10 employees and 4 lines though, but we do a lot of call 
routing to our phones, all of our droids are SIP registered with our extensions 
and such, and email to voicemail etc etc.. it all works great. With SIP/IAX you 
don't need any hardware to run it.

James - Besides Randy, I know a Shoretel/Voip dealer that can offer you the 
best of both worlds from those options if you want.. bandwidth is always a 
concern. Virtualizing is fine, you have to prep the right hardware for call 
volume, vmware can do it with vmxnet3 nic (which is made for lots of little 
packets). I guess for you, it would be how many simultaneous calls will decide 
if you can VM it or it needs to go on hardware directly if you went asterisk 
route.

For the multiple offices, you could trunk the two together for 
extension-extension dialing over SIP, and the vendor could probably push your 
inbound #s to different offices if one of the offices was down ...

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

No I mean Mitel claims they are the only vendor with a virtualized PBX that can 
vmotion it without any loss of call quality or latency.


From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:34 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine
If by "only vendor", you mean VMware, that's probably true until Hyper-V 3.0 
releases sometime next year.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: N Parr 
[mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

I've seen a live Mitel demo where they can vmotion the PBX and the call doesn't 
even flinch.  But only supported on vmware.  They claim they are the only 
vendor capable of that, although I haven't seen proof otherwise.


From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine
I'm pretty sure that Cisco now supports their offering in a  VMWare environment.


From: James Kerr 
[mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking about 
VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current phone system (for 
the most part) has got me thinking about phone system redundancy. I have a 
desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual machines, if possible. I just 
don't know if such things exist and was wondering if any of you guys had any 
info about such systems. We have about 150 phones in two locations two PBXs and 
one central voice-mail/auto attendant. Venders I've spoke with so far just want 
to offer newer versions of what we already have. I want something more 
redundant and easier to bring up again in case of disaster. Thanks for any 
replies.

James

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RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[Webster]

That they are as believable as a politician's promises?

Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com


From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

I don't buy that one; but you know what they say about vendor's claims :)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: N Parr 
[mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

No I mean Mitel claims they are the only vendor with a virtualized PBX that can 
vmotion it without any loss of call quality or latency.


From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:34 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine
If by "only vendor", you mean VMware, that's probably true until Hyper-V 3.0 
releases sometime next year.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: N Parr 
[mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

I've seen a live Mitel demo where they can vmotion the PBX and the call doesn't 
even flinch.  But only supported on vmware.  They claim they are the only 
vendor capable of that, although I haven't seen proof otherwise.


From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine
I'm pretty sure that Cisco now supports their offering in a  VMWare environment.


From: James Kerr 
[mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking about 
VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current phone system (for 
the most part) has got me thinking about phone system redundancy. I have a 
desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual machines, if possible. I just 
don't know if such things exist and was wondering if any of you guys had any 
info about such systems. We have about 150 phones in two locations two PBXs and 
one central voice-mail/auto attendant. Venders I've spoke with so far just want 
to offer newer versions of what we already have. I want something more 
redundant and easier to bring up again in case of disaster. Thanks for any 
replies.


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RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[Benjamin Zachary]

I saw that Mitel demo at our datacenter awhile back looked nice. 

 

In our office we have an asterisk box sitting in a VM and never have an
issue with it. We are only 10 employees and 4 lines though, but we do a lot
of call routing to our phones, all of our droids are SIP registered with our
extensions and such, and email to voicemail etc etc.. it all works great.
With SIP/IAX you don't need any hardware to run it. 

 

James - Besides Randy, I know a Shoretel/Voip dealer that can offer you the
best of both worlds from those options if you want.. bandwidth is always a
concern. Virtualizing is fine, you have to prep the right hardware for call
volume, vmware can do it with vmxnet3 nic (which is made for lots of little
packets). I guess for you, it would be how many simultaneous calls will
decide if you can VM it or it needs to go on hardware directly if you went
asterisk route.

 

For the multiple offices, you could trunk the two together for
extension-extension dialing over SIP, and the vendor could probably push
your inbound #s to different offices if one of the offices was down .

 

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

 

No I mean Mitel claims they are the only vendor with a virtualized PBX that
can vmotion it without any loss of call quality or latency.

 

  _  

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:34 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

If by "only vendor", you mean VMware, that's probably true until Hyper-V 3.0
releases sometime next year.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

 

I've seen a live Mitel demo where they can vmotion the PBX and the call
doesn't even flinch.  But only supported on vmware.  They claim they are the
only vendor capable of that, although I haven't seen proof otherwise.

 

  _  

From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

I'm pretty sure that Cisco now supports their offering in a  VMWare
environment.

 

 

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

 

We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking about
VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current phone system
(for the most part) has got me thinking about phone system redundancy. I
have a desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual machines, if possible.
I just don't know if such things exist and was wondering if any of you guys
had any info about such systems. We have about 150 phones in two locations
two PBXs and one central voice-mail/auto attendant. Venders I've spoke with
so far just want to offer newer versions of what we already have. I want
something more redundant and easier to bring up again in case of disaster.
Thanks for any replies.

James

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RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[Michael B. Smith]

I don't buy that one; but you know what they say about vendor's claims :)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

No I mean Mitel claims they are the only vendor with a virtualized PBX that can 
vmotion it without any loss of call quality or latency.


From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:34 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine
If by "only vendor", you mean VMware, that's probably true until Hyper-V 3.0 
releases sometime next year.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: N Parr 
[mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

I've seen a live Mitel demo where they can vmotion the PBX and the call doesn't 
even flinch.  But only supported on vmware.  They claim they are the only 
vendor capable of that, although I haven't seen proof otherwise.


From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine
I'm pretty sure that Cisco now supports their offering in a  VMWare environment.


From: James Kerr 
[mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking about 
VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current phone system (for 
the most part) has got me thinking about phone system redundancy. I have a 
desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual machines, if possible. I just 
don't know if such things exist and was wondering if any of you guys had any 
info about such systems. We have about 150 phones in two locations two PBXs and 
one central voice-mail/auto attendant. Venders I've spoke with so far just want 
to offer newer versions of what we already have. I want something more 
redundant and easier to bring up again in case of disaster. Thanks for any 
replies.

James

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RE: OT: Streaming media device

[Benjamin Zachary]

I use the mediabox devices at home for my kids rooms and their gaming TV
(55' LED Samsung). It works well wirelessly as long as we aren't doing 1080
streaming. On wire its fine, or over USB / internal HDD its fine.

 

They don't have any additional streaming services though, my main TV
(Samsung 55' LCD) has the 3D, and media center built into it, which is
pretty good. 

 

I cant stand HULU . FWIW, I signed up for it on my ipad to use for a few
months while travelling and I felt like it was the Sundance channel and
Independent Movie Channel. never found anything worth watching myself..

 

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 5:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT: Streaming media device

 

If you don't yet.subscribe to the Amazon.com Daily Woot! service.  They have
Roku's in the daily email a lot.

 

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 5:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: Streaming media device

 

Yeah, that is what I've read in the reviews. On paper, the Sony sounds
great, since they have all the items I'm looking for, but the actual
experience isn't as good (interface issues, issues with DLNA, etc). So
hopefully the Roku will be as good as I've heard, and I'll just get another
one for myself. 

Thanks, 

Chris Bodnar, MCSE, MCITP
Technical Support III
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services
Guardian Life Insurance Company of America
Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
Phone: 610-807-6459
Fax: 610-807-6003 



From:Ben Scott  
To:"NT System Admin Issues"  
Date:11/07/2011 04:54 PM 
Subject:Re: OT: Streaming media device 

  _  




On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr
 wrote:
>> I see CostCo is carrying several blu-ray players, Sony, Panasonic, et al,
>
> Some interfaces are severely lacking.

 I'll second that.

 I bought a Sony Blu-Ray Disc player about 10 months ago.  While
overall it's good, there are some really stupid things in the
streaming side.  In particular, the Hulu interface is just about
useless.  It handles each segment of program and advertisement as a
separate stream, requiring a buffering period between each; it can't
fast-forward or rewind across those boundaries; it doesn't remember
where you left off watching a program.  It's actually *worse* than
broadcast TV.  I have a friend with a Roku, and the Hulu is night and
day better.

-- Ben

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Re: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[James Kerr]

You guys are crushing my hopes and dreams.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:56 AM, James Kerr  wrote:
> > I have a desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual machines, if
> possible.
>
>   If the phone system requires any special hardware in the PC, it's
> unlikely to work.  For example, expansion cards for interface to
> analog or TDM ports.
>
>  For something that's just an Internet Protocol node, it should work.
>  expect vendor support will be the biggest issue.  Phone equipment
> makers often act[1] rather ignorant when it comes to their PC-based
> platforms.  You don't want to end up in a "We don't support that
> configuration" scenario if your phones are down.
>
>  From a technical standpoint, it should be fine.  OSes are already
> time-sliced; you're just time-slicing the OS now, too.  There may be
> some tech details to work through.  Real-time voice is very
> susceptible to latency and jitter, so there may be some VM tuning
> involved there.  You prolly don't want to oversubscribe the host
> resources for that VM.
>
> -- Ben
>
> [1] "Act", not necessarily "are"
>
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RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[John Cook]

Information overload last week!

 John W. Cook
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Partnership For Strong Families
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Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

You may have misunderstood.

The 40-60 concurrent call range per VM server applies to Exchange UM - not 
Lync. Lync is a different beast altogether. ;-)

But I still agree with your conclusion.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

While you CAN do it,  I don't think you (or your users) will be happy with the 
results.  All the Microsoft people (I was just at WinConnections) very 
carefully try to warn you that latency "could be an issue under certain load 
conditions" with their PBX solution (Lync) which they alluded to as being in 
the 40 - 60 user range. I'd tell you that a VOIP system is the last type of 
server you'd want to put in a VM.  Just my $.02 YMMV

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: James Kerr 
[mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking about 
VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current phone system (for 
the most part) has got me thinking about phone system redundancy. I have a 
desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual machines, if possible. I just 
don't know if such things exist and was wondering if any of you guys had any 
info about such systems. We have about 150 phones in two locations two PBXs and 
one central voice-mail/auto attendant. Venders I've spoke with so far just want 
to offer newer versions of what we already have. I want something more 
redundant and easier to bring up again in case of disaster. Thanks for any 
replies.

James

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RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[N Parr]

No I mean Mitel claims they are the only vendor with a virtualized PBX that can 
vmotion it without any loss of call quality or latency.


From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:34 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

If by "only vendor", you mean VMware, that's probably true until Hyper-V 3.0 
releases sometime next year.

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From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

I've seen a live Mitel demo where they can vmotion the PBX and the call doesn't 
even flinch.  But only supported on vmware.  They claim they are the only 
vendor capable of that, although I haven't seen proof otherwise.


From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine
I'm pretty sure that Cisco now supports their offering in a  VMWare environment.


From: James Kerr 
[mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking about 
VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current phone system (for 
the most part) has got me thinking about phone system redundancy. I have a 
desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual machines, if possible. I just 
don't know if such things exist and was wondering if any of you guys had any 
info about such systems. We have about 150 phones in two locations two PBXs and 
one central voice-mail/auto attendant. Venders I've spoke with so far just want 
to offer newer versions of what we already have. I want something more 
redundant and easier to bring up again in case of disaster. Thanks for any 
replies.

James

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Re: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 8:56 AM, James Kerr  wrote:
> I have a desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual machines, if possible.

  If the phone system requires any special hardware in the PC, it's
unlikely to work.  For example, expansion cards for interface to
analog or TDM ports.

  For something that's just an Internet Protocol node, it should work.
  expect vendor support will be the biggest issue.  Phone equipment
makers often act[1] rather ignorant when it comes to their PC-based
platforms.  You don't want to end up in a "We don't support that
configuration" scenario if your phones are down.

  From a technical standpoint, it should be fine.  OSes are already
time-sliced; you're just time-slicing the OS now, too.  There may be
some tech details to work through.  Real-time voice is very
susceptible to latency and jitter, so there may be some VM tuning
involved there.  You prolly don't want to oversubscribe the host
resources for that VM.

-- Ben

[1] "Act", not necessarily "are"

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RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[Michael B. Smith]

You may have misunderstood.

The 40-60 concurrent call range per VM server applies to Exchange UM - not 
Lync. Lync is a different beast altogether. ;-)

But I still agree with your conclusion.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

While you CAN do it,  I don't think you (or your users) will be happy with the 
results.  All the Microsoft people (I was just at WinConnections) very 
carefully try to warn you that latency "could be an issue under certain load 
conditions" with their PBX solution (Lync) which they alluded to as being in 
the 40 - 60 user range. I'd tell you that a VOIP system is the last type of 
server you'd want to put in a VM.  Just my $.02 YMMV

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: James Kerr 
[mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking about 
VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current phone system (for 
the most part) has got me thinking about phone system redundancy. I have a 
desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual machines, if possible. I just 
don't know if such things exist and was wondering if any of you guys had any 
info about such systems. We have about 150 phones in two locations two PBXs and 
one central voice-mail/auto attendant. Venders I've spoke with so far just want 
to offer newer versions of what we already have. I want something more 
redundant and easier to bring up again in case of disaster. Thanks for any 
replies.

James

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RE: TS 2008 question

[Michael B. Smith]

Now you are over my head. :)

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From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: TS 2008 question

Thanks guys

I was actually looking at providing some redundancy for the Session Broker role 
itself (i.e. if the Session Broker server explodes, I'd want some resilience 
available). Maybe I didn't phrase that well :-)
On 8 November 2011 14:11, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
Windows Server 2008 Terminal Services Resource Kit (free) and
Understanding Microsoft Virtualization Solutions, Second Edition (also free)

...are your best resources for these types of questions (IMO).

You can install all RDP role services on a single server.

Terminal Server Session Broker provides redundancy and load balancing as well.

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From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: TS 2008 question

Got stuck on a consultancy yesterday that was allegedly Citrix-based, yet when 
I arrived on site it turned out it was a pure 2008 TS deployment, and I had to 
start blagging very quickly :-)

Quick question (as I write my report). Can you install the TS Session Broker 
and TS Web Access roles on the same server? I can't seem to find any definitive 
answer to this (although I am assuming in the absence of any hard evidence the 
answer will be yes). Also are there any preferred ways to provided redundancy 
for these roles besides a failover cluster (are there any others documented by 
MS anywhere, the failover cluster seems to be all I can find)?

TIA,



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RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[Michael B. Smith]

If by "only vendor", you mean VMware, that's probably true until Hyper-V 3.0 
releases sometime next year.

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From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

I've seen a live Mitel demo where they can vmotion the PBX and the call doesn't 
even flinch.  But only supported on vmware.  They claim they are the only 
vendor capable of that, although I haven't seen proof otherwise.


From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine
I'm pretty sure that Cisco now supports their offering in a  VMWare environment.


From: James Kerr 
[mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking about 
VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current phone system (for 
the most part) has got me thinking about phone system redundancy. I have a 
desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual machines, if possible. I just 
don't know if such things exist and was wondering if any of you guys had any 
info about such systems. We have about 150 phones in two locations two PBXs and 
one central voice-mail/auto attendant. Venders I've spoke with so far just want 
to offer newer versions of what we already have. I want something more 
redundant and easier to bring up again in case of disaster. Thanks for any 
replies.

James

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RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[John Cook]

+1 we have Asterisk based systems (Digium) and they have a lot of really nice 
features.

 John W. Cook
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5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
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-Original Message-
From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

We use asterisk at many clients...

We just build the systems ourselves, but there are several bundles and
providers who build the system for you.

Bill

http://www.asterisk.org/

James Kerr wrote:
> We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking
> about VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current
> phone system (for the most part) has got me thinking about phone
> system redundancy. I have a desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on
> virtual machines, if possible. I just don't know if such things exist
> and was wondering if any of you guys had any info about such systems.
> We have about 150 phones in two locations two PBXs and one central
> voice-mail/auto attendant. Venders I've spoke with so far just want to
> offer newer versions of what we already have. I want something more
> redundant and easier to bring up again in case of disaster. Thanks for
> any replies.
>
> James
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RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[John Cook]

While you CAN do it,  I don't think you (or your users) will be happy with the 
results.  All the Microsoft people (I was just at WinConnections) very 
carefully try to warn you that latency "could be an issue under certain load 
conditions" with their PBX solution (Lync) which they alluded to as being in 
the 40 - 60 user range. I'd tell you that a VOIP system is the last type of 
server you'd want to put in a VM.  Just my $.02 YMMV

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Cell (352) 215-6944
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From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking about 
VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current phone system (for 
the most part) has got me thinking about phone system redundancy. I have a 
desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual machines, if possible. I just 
don't know if such things exist and was wondering if any of you guys had any 
info about such systems. We have about 150 phones in two locations two PBXs and 
one central voice-mail/auto attendant. Venders I've spoke with so far just want 
to offer newer versions of what we already have. I want something more 
redundant and easier to bring up again in case of disaster. Thanks for any 
replies.

James

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RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[Martin Blackstone]

As does Shoretel.

 

 

From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 6:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

 

I'm pretty sure that Cisco now supports their offering in a  VMWare
environment.

 

 

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

 

We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking about
VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current phone system
(for the most part) has got me thinking about phone system redundancy. I
have a desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual machines, if possible.
I just don't know if such things exist and was wondering if any of you guys
had any info about such systems. We have about 150 phones in two locations
two PBXs and one central voice-mail/auto attendant. Venders I've spoke with
so far just want to offer newer versions of what we already have. I want
something more redundant and easier to bring up again in case of disaster.
Thanks for any replies.

James

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Re: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[Richard Stovall]

New releases of ShoreTel (Director) are supported in VMs.  I did a P2V of
ours last July.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Glen Johnson  wrote:

>  I’m pretty sure that Cisco now supports their offering in a  VMWare
> environment.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:57 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine
>
> ** **
>
> We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking
> about VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current phone
> system (for the most part) has got me thinking about phone system
> redundancy. I have a desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual
> machines, if possible. I just don't know if such things exist and was
> wondering if any of you guys had any info about such systems. We have about
> 150 phones in two locations two PBXs and one central voice-mail/auto
> attendant. Venders I've spoke with so far just want to offer newer versions
> of what we already have. I want something more redundant and easier to
> bring up again in case of disaster. Thanks for any replies.
>
> James
>
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RE: Backup alternatives

[Ben Serebin]

Hello All,

I’ve deployed dozens of QNAPs and have 5 (1 -8 drive units) 
myself, and while they are high performance machines, support is lacking (but 
improving). BUT, you rarely if ever need support. Per Drobos, they are pretty 
looking. There’s a reason they won’t release hardware to benchmark type 
companies (website, magazines, etc), since it’s pretty poor compared to QNAP & 
Synology (SMB NAS leaders). QNAPs are VMware certified as well (I use 4 of them 
only for iSCSI targets & the other is a SMB based ISO repository). I prefer 
QNAP, but when support is a concern buy the Cisco rebranded units. Cisco sells 
3 QNAPs that are actually QNAP hardware but with Cisco SMARTnet support & Cisco 
“software” version. I just bought 2 of the 6 drive units for a client.

http://www.qnap.com/USEng/
http://www.synology.com/us/index.php
http://www.cisco.com/cisco/web/solutions/small_business/products/storage/nss300/index.html

-Ben

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 12:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup alternatives

Interesting.

And I’ve deployed QNAPs and had nothing but service headaches. :-P I won’t 
deploy another one.

Just goes to show – we’ve all got different experiences…

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
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From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 12:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Backup alternatives

::shudders::

My DroboPro FS is a bonafide Dee-Oh-Gee.  It is inexcusably, inexplicably slow. 
 It can take an hour or more to delete (DELETE!) several hundred files. I've 
even SSHed into it and run a delete operation from the command line and it's 
the same deal.  I've also never gotten better than 18MB/s or so over gigabit 
into or out of it.

All in all, a terrific waste of money.  Other models may be different, but I 
would never get another Drobo product without having some sort of testing 
period first.

My QNAP TS-859U-RP+, on the other hand, is fantastic.

RS
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
I like drobos. Fast, redundant, etc. But if you can drop an eSATA card into the 
open slot and get a 2 TB drive – that would be a lot cheaper.

Regards,

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From: Reimer, Mark 
[mailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu]
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup alternatives

Sorry,

OS is Win2K3, 64 bit. But that might change if/when I update the file server.

I’m not too worried about software at this point, more of a hardware question.

I think there might be an open slot in the 2950. I was also looking into a 
simple NAS unit (one or two drive, with easy swappable (hopefully hot) hard 
drives).

Mark

From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 8:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup alternatives

What OS? Any open slots in the 2950? (I can’t remember how many slots it has, 
but I’m pretty sure it has at least one.)

Regards,

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Consultant and Exchange MVP
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From: Reimer, Mark 
[mailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu]
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 10:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup alternatives

In September (20-23), there was a question about backup devices. My issue is 
related, but more open.

My tape drive died late last week. We back up about 1.5 TB per week (full and 
incrementals combined), so external HD is a very real option. The file server 
is older (Dell 2950). I don’t think there is a eSata port on it. Our internet 
connection isn’t very fast (20 Mb up and down), and quite busy, so a cloud type 
solution may not work well.

I’m open to any ideas you might have.

Thanks

Mark

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RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[Jay Dale]

We don't run any phone systems through a VM, however we do have GFI Faxmaker 
using FoIP running on one.

FWIW...

Jay Dale
 Senior Systems Administrator
P:281-574-2414

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 7:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking about 
VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current phone system (for 
the most part) has got me thinking about phone system redundancy. I have a 
desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual machines, if possible. I just 
don't know if such things exist and was wondering if any of you guys had any 
info about such systems. We have about 150 phones in two locations two PBXs and 
one central voice-mail/auto attendant. Venders I've spoke with so far just want 
to offer newer versions of what we already have. I want something more 
redundant and easier to bring up again in case of disaster. Thanks for any 
replies.

James

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RE: TS 2008 question

[Michael B. Smith]

Uh... it may have been for only a limited time.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/rds/archive/2009/05/22/free-stuff-download-the-windows-server-2008-terminal-services-resource-kit.aspx

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From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: TS 2008 question

Free? How?
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/book.aspx?ID=12716&locale=en-us

From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 6:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: TS 2008 question

Windows Server 2008 Terminal Services Resource Kit (free) and
Understanding Microsoft Virtualization Solutions, Second Edition (also free)

...are your best resources for these types of questions (IMO).

You can install all RDP role services on a single server.

Terminal Server Session Broker provides redundancy and load balancing as well.

Regards,

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From: James Rankin 
[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: TS 2008 question

Got stuck on a consultancy yesterday that was allegedly Citrix-based, yet when 
I arrived on site it turned out it was a pure 2008 TS deployment, and I had to 
start blagging very quickly :-)

Quick question (as I write my report). Can you install the TS Session Broker 
and TS Web Access roles on the same server? I can't seem to find any definitive 
answer to this (although I am assuming in the absence of any hard evidence the 
answer will be yes). Also are there any preferred ways to provided redundancy 
for these roles besides a failover cluster (are there any others documented by 
MS anywhere, the failover cluster seems to be all I can find)?

TIA,



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RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[N Parr]

I've seen a live Mitel demo where they can vmotion the PBX and the call doesn't 
even flinch.  But only supported on vmware.  They claim they are the only 
vendor capable of that, although I haven't seen proof otherwise.


From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

I'm pretty sure that Cisco now supports their offering in a  VMWare environment.


From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking about 
VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current phone system (for 
the most part) has got me thinking about phone system redundancy. I have a 
desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual machines, if possible. I just 
don't know if such things exist and was wondering if any of you guys had any 
info about such systems. We have about 150 phones in two locations two PBXs and 
one central voice-mail/auto attendant. Venders I've spoke with so far just want 
to offer newer versions of what we already have. I want something more 
redundant and easier to bring up again in case of disaster. Thanks for any 
replies.

James

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Re: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[Bill Humphries]

We use asterisk at many clients...

We just build the systems ourselves, but there are several bundles and 
providers who build the system for you.


Bill

http://www.asterisk.org/

James Kerr wrote:
We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking 
about VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current 
phone system (for the most part) has got me thinking about phone 
system redundancy. I have a desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on 
virtual machines, if possible. I just don't know if such things exist 
and was wondering if any of you guys had any info about such systems. 
We have about 150 phones in two locations two PBXs and one central 
voice-mail/auto attendant. Venders I've spoke with so far just want to 
offer newer versions of what we already have. I want something more 
redundant and easier to bring up again in case of disaster. Thanks for 
any replies.


James

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Re: TS 2008 question

[James Rankin]

Thanks guys

I was actually looking at providing some redundancy for the Session Broker
role itself (i.e. if the Session Broker server explodes, I'd want some
resilience available). Maybe I didn't phrase that well :-)

On 8 November 2011 14:11, Michael B. Smith  wrote:

>  Windows Server 2008 Terminal Services Resource Kit (free) and
>
> Understanding Microsoft Virtualization Solutions, Second Edition (also
> free)
>
> ** **
>
> …are your best resources for these types of questions (IMO).
>
> ** **
>
> You can install all RDP role services on a single server.
>
> ** **
>
> Terminal Server Session Broker provides redundancy and load balancing as
> well.
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:58 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* TS 2008 question
>
> ** **
>
> Got stuck on a consultancy yesterday that was allegedly Citrix-based, yet
> when I arrived on site it turned out it was a pure 2008 TS deployment, and
> I had to start blagging very quickly :-)
>
> Quick question (as I write my report). Can you install the TS Session
> Broker and TS Web Access roles on the same server? I can't seem to find any
> definitive answer to this (although I am assuming in the absence of any
> hard evidence the answer will be yes). Also are there any preferred ways to
> provided redundancy for these roles besides a failover cluster (are there
> any others documented by MS anywhere, the failover cluster seems to be all
> I can find)?
>
> TIA,
>
>
>
> JRR
>
> --
> "On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
> the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
> rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
> a question."
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RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[Mayo, Bill]

As I understand it, they only support it on their own hardware platform.

 

From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

 

I'm pretty sure that Cisco now supports their offering in a  VMWare
environment.

 

 

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

 

We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking
about VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current phone
system (for the most part) has got me thinking about phone system
redundancy. I have a desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual
machines, if possible. I just don't know if such things exist and was
wondering if any of you guys had any info about such systems. We have
about 150 phones in two locations two PBXs and one central
voice-mail/auto attendant. Venders I've spoke with so far just want to
offer newer versions of what we already have. I want something more
redundant and easier to bring up again in case of disaster. Thanks for
any replies.

James

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RE: TS 2008 question

[David Lum]

Free? How?
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/book.aspx?ID=12716&locale=en-us

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 6:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: TS 2008 question

Windows Server 2008 Terminal Services Resource Kit (free) and
Understanding Microsoft Virtualization Solutions, Second Edition (also free)

...are your best resources for these types of questions (IMO).

You can install all RDP role services on a single server.

Terminal Server Session Broker provides redundancy and load balancing as well.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: James Rankin 
[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: TS 2008 question

Got stuck on a consultancy yesterday that was allegedly Citrix-based, yet when 
I arrived on site it turned out it was a pure 2008 TS deployment, and I had to 
start blagging very quickly :-)

Quick question (as I write my report). Can you install the TS Session Broker 
and TS Web Access roles on the same server? I can't seem to find any definitive 
answer to this (although I am assuming in the absence of any hard evidence the 
answer will be yes). Also are there any preferred ways to provided redundancy 
for these roles besides a failover cluster (are there any others documented by 
MS anywhere, the failover cluster seems to be all I can find)?

TIA,



JRR

--
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machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly 
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RE: TS 2008 question

[David Lum]

"Quick question (as I write my report). Can you install the TS Session Broker 
and TS Web Access roles on the same server"
Yes.

"Also are there any preferred ways to provided redundancy for these roles 
besides a failover cluster"
No clue

Dave

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: TS 2008 question

Got stuck on a consultancy yesterday that was allegedly Citrix-based, yet when 
I arrived on site it turned out it was a pure 2008 TS deployment, and I had to 
start blagging very quickly :-)

Quick question (as I write my report). Can you install the TS Session Broker 
and TS Web Access roles on the same server? I can't seem to find any definitive 
answer to this (although I am assuming in the absence of any hard evidence the 
answer will be yes). Also are there any preferred ways to provided redundancy 
for these roles besides a failover cluster (are there any others documented by 
MS anywhere, the failover cluster seems to be all I can find)?

TIA,



JRR

--
"On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the 
machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly 
to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."

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you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please 
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them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for 
transmission.

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RE: TS 2008 question

[Michael B. Smith]

Windows Server 2008 Terminal Services Resource Kit (free) and
Understanding Microsoft Virtualization Solutions, Second Edition (also free)

...are your best resources for these types of questions (IMO).

You can install all RDP role services on a single server.

Terminal Server Session Broker provides redundancy and load balancing as well.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: TS 2008 question

Got stuck on a consultancy yesterday that was allegedly Citrix-based, yet when 
I arrived on site it turned out it was a pure 2008 TS deployment, and I had to 
start blagging very quickly :-)

Quick question (as I write my report). Can you install the TS Session Broker 
and TS Web Access roles on the same server? I can't seem to find any definitive 
answer to this (although I am assuming in the absence of any hard evidence the 
answer will be yes). Also are there any preferred ways to provided redundancy 
for these roles besides a failover cluster (are there any others documented by 
MS anywhere, the failover cluster seems to be all I can find)?

TIA,



JRR

--
"On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the 
machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly 
to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."

* IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER *

This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If 
you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore 
you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the 
contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the 
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you can't use your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also 
committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress..

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pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But should 
you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please 
pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However, if you pass 
them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for 
transmission.

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RE: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

[Glen Johnson]

I'm pretty sure that Cisco now supports their offering in a  VMWare environment.


From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT - Phone System In A Virtual Machine

We are looking at replacing our phone system. This has got me thinking about 
VIOP systems and being a sys admin who maintains our current phone system (for 
the most part) has got me thinking about phone system redundancy. I have a 
desire to run a voice-mail and PBX on virtual machines, if possible. I just 
don't know if such things exist and was wondering if any of you guys had any 
info about such systems. We have about 150 phones in two locations two PBXs and 
one central voice-mail/auto attendant. Venders I've spoke with so far just want 
to offer newer versions of what we already have. I want something more 
redundant and easier to bring up again in case of disaster. Thanks for any 
replies.

James

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TS 2008 question

[James Rankin]

Got stuck on a consultancy yesterday that was allegedly Citrix-based, yet
when I arrived on site it turned out it was a pure 2008 TS deployment, and
I had to start blagging very quickly :-)

Quick question (as I write my report). Can you install the TS Session
Broker and TS Web Access roles on the same server? I can't seem to find any
definitive answer to this (although I am assuming in the absence of any
hard evidence the answer will be yes). Also are there any preferred ways to
provided redundancy for these roles besides a failover cluster (are there
any others documented by MS anywhere, the failover cluster seems to be all
I can find)?

TIA,



JRR

-- 
"On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question."

** IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER *

This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed.
If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and
therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you.
However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you
probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a
mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and
destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken
this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer,
because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide
afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. *

* The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the
information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a
pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But
should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it,
and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However,
if you pass them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding
liability for transmission.
*

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