RE: Volume Shadow Copy
Hi The backup will run if I start it manually I will STOp/Start the Vss service in the batch file see how that works out Thanks -Original Message- From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] Sent: 06 February 2012 14:12 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Volume Shadow Copy Often, there's not enough disk space to create another snap. I find that if you go into the Shadow Copy configuration and force the release of existing snapshots, that fixes problems. Your bat file should do that. Sometimes, for many reasons, VSS gets confused or corrupted (pick your favorite vague term), and the only thing that helps is to stop the VSS server and restart it. So, you could add a line to your bat file to stop and start the service. -Original Message- From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Volume Shadow Copy Hi :-) We have a windows 2003 server, that is fully upto date with service packs and patches Every night the server runs an scheduled NTbackup This has recently started to fail giving errors about unable to create volume shadow copy The machine runs 4 Virtual machines running the Free Vmserver we successfully backed up the machine with ntbackup and have restored the running machines to another server, I did have some success creating a batch file before the backup With the following line vssadmin delete shadows /ALL this worked for a few weeks and is now failing again The machine has gone through a full disk check without problems (as I thought this may be the issue) Any help would be welcome Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT - ugh!
Gotta help my brethren out... :) * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: Hey now, mind your own business there! Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: Andrew Baker asbz...@gmail.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:17:21 -0500 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! *If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a referral fee or commission! * Not a bad idea. :) ** *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 1st last year. So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :) Yes, I am complaining all the way to the bank. If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a referral fee or commission! Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: David Lum david@nwea.org Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: OT - ugh! That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz – feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at how often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other than patching. ** ** *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com webs...@carlwebster.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh! ** ** I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm. Don't know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL*** * ** ** Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD infrastructures. I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix. I no longer do Exchange and refer all that to MBS. ** ** I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the time. Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :) ** ** ** ** Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ ** ** *From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com *Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 + *To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh! ** ** I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust. It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to convincing me to do the same. On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier. I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) who waited even longer than I did. :-) Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
Re: OT - ugh!
-- Exchange AD -- Citrix -- Security -- Virtualization -- Database (mostly Oracle, but I'm seeing more and more SQL these days) Not trying to say that these are the only areas of massive opportunity, but these are the top infrastructure areas I see out there today. And yes, all situations require some compromise or concession, but they remain viable options for many skilled IT professionals, and my sense is that the numbers going in this direction will grow. * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Virtualization (of any flavor) and storage are two other areas where expert skills are highly sought after. - Sean On Feb 6, 2012, at 7:21 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't mean to imply that you're entirely unique between the two of you, just that you occupy a niche - it's probably a fairly large niche, I would guess. Probably that niche is going to grow, too, but it won't consist of folks who don't have some specialised skills, or whose skills are too specialised. Kurt On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 17:33, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: I know many other independents no different than Webster and I. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:20 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT - ugh! You can look at it in one of two ways: Either you and MBS got very lucky, or you got very smart. The niches you've chosen are specialised enough that you aren't doing daily grunt work (punching down patchpanels, patching workstations, applying antivirus, replacing burnt-out video cards, etc.), but not so specialised that your only place to land is in a Fortune 100 company on its staff doing something that only applies to 3 other companies in the world. The lesson is to place yourself at some sort of sweet spot on the IT foodchain - and then exploit the hell out of it. The difficulty always lies in finding that sweet spot. And being willing to travel... Kurt On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 1st last year. So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :) Yes, I am complaining all the way to the bank. If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a referral fee or commission! Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com From: David Lum david@nwea.org Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: OT - ugh! That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz – feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at how often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other than patching. From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT - ugh! I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm. Don't know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD infrastructures. I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix. I no longer do Exchange and refer all that to MBS. I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the time. Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :) Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust. It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly
Re: OT - ugh!
Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem to be enjoying it! Good call. Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker for the title for my blog. Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com Cheers, JR On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: PLEASE DO. I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a LOT of options. Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO) Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird -- *From: *Webster webs...@carlwebster.com *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:35:57 + *To: *NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *ReplyTo: *NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh! I will have to give MBS 100% credit. He bugged, pestered, annoyed and prodded me until I started writing. Once I started writing, people started reading. Once people started reading, I gained a name in the Citrix space. Once I got a name, I was honored with the CTP. Once I got the CTP, I was instantly in a really nice network of extremely smart people. I initially balked at the idea of going solo because just how much Citrix work can there possibly be out there? And besides, who in the world would hire me! to do anything? All my work comes thru my web site, Experts Exchange, fellow CTP, LinkedIn, Dice and word-of-mouth. Share your knowledge (even if like me you don't think you have anything to share) with the community and you may be surprised at what opens up for you. If you decide to go the writing route (which I strongly encourage you to do), be prepared to receive a bunch or criticism for what you share. Only those who stick their neck out and share, get recognized. I recommend you read the book, The Nomadic Developer. Wherever you see the word developer in the book, insert your title of choice (Network Admin, Network Engineer, Network Consultant, Systems Analyst, etc). I estimate I turn down 3 FTEs a week, and probably that many work offers every week. I can't possibly get to all the Citrix work that comes my way or all the AD work the Citrix world is throwing my way. I know rates depend on the area of the country you are in and I thought MBS was nuts when he told me to up my rate, but I charge $150/hr plus expenses and have had no one (but contracting agencies) complain. As busy as I am, maybe I need to up my rates again! :) Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: Don Kuhlman drkuhl...@yahoo.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:01:12 -0800 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched on, do any of our successful entrepreneurs care to share how you got your own thing going? For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website, contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)? Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get going. I'm thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on clients for ongoing support, and then things spread through word of mouth, or how did you keep an income stream coming in at the beginning? Don K ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to
Re: IOPS's calculations
So, to which counters should I be paying attention in such a situation, or what should be the difference in interpretation? I've got a file server that's being extremely slow to back up, though daily performance is adequate. I'm seeing disk queue length hit as high as 37, with 5 LUNS for the machine. Kurt On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 21:32, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote: Those perf counters can be a bit misleading when you’re looking at a SAN on the backend, though. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Disk Reads per second Disk Writes per second Average Disk Queue Length I’d track both logical disk and physical disk. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: IOPS's calculations Hi folks, Thanks for all your help in the past. Looking at setting up a SAN. From my research, I think one thing to be aware of is current IOPS (disk). There are a number of sites that will help you determine IOPS based on what hard drives (and RAID configuration). My question is: Many of my current servers are light use. The IOPS that these servers are capable of is much greater than what is actually being used. So, in order to more properly size the SAN, is there a way to determine working IOPS? That is, what is actually being used? I assume Perfmon would help, and will need to log over a period of time (I think a week would be about right, to catch most scenarios). But what counters, and how to analyze those counters? Servers are Windows 2003. Thanks. Mark Reimer, A+, MCSA Servers Networking Admin Prairie Bible Institute Box 4000 Three Hills, AB T0M-2N0 Canada Tel: 403-443-5511, Ext. 3476 Fax: 403-443-5540 Email: mark.rei...@prairie.edu www.prairie.edu ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: IOPS's calculations
As a rule of thumb queue length shouldn't exceed the physical number of disks in the array that the LUN is on x 2. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 13:50 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IOPS's calculations So, to which counters should I be paying attention in such a situation, or what should be the difference in interpretation? I've got a file server that's being extremely slow to back up, though daily performance is adequate. I'm seeing disk queue length hit as high as 37, with 5 LUNS for the machine. Kurt On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 21:32, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote: Those perf counters can be a bit misleading when you’re looking at a SAN on the backend, though. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Disk Reads per second Disk Writes per second Average Disk Queue Length I’d track both logical disk and physical disk. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: IOPS's calculations Hi folks, Thanks for all your help in the past. Looking at setting up a SAN. From my research, I think one thing to be aware of is current IOPS (disk). There are a number of sites that will help you determine IOPS based on what hard drives (and RAID configuration). My question is: Many of my current servers are light use. The IOPS that these servers are capable of is much greater than what is actually being used. So, in order to more properly size the SAN, is there a way to determine working IOPS? That is, what is actually being used? I assume Perfmon would help, and will need to log over a period of time (I think a week would be about right, to catch most scenarios). But what counters, and how to analyze those counters? Servers are Windows 2003. Thanks. Mark Reimer, A+, MCSA Servers Networking Admin Prairie Bible Institute Box 4000 Three Hills, AB T0M-2N0 Canada Tel: 403-443-5511, Ext. 3476 Fax: 403-443-5540 Email: mark.rei...@prairie.edu www.prairie.edu ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: IOPS's calculations
When we were planning for our SAN and VM conversion/migration, the Microsoft engineer we worked with had us collect information on our servers about usage using the MAPs tool. Looks like it's still around-not sure if it would do what you need: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=7826 http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb977556.aspx If you are a Dell shop, their new dpack tool is nice too, but was still in beta when we used it a few weeks ago-not sure if they've released yet. If not, you'll have to work with your Dell engineer to get the reports generated that you would need. -Bonnie From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations The question is: I want to know what my different servers (no san, each with their own direct attached disks storage) is using (not what they are capable of, but what they are actually using/doing). Sorry if I was unclear to begin with. Mark From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:55 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Your SAN should be able to produce these numbers. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: IOPS's calculations Hi folks, Thanks for all your help in the past. Looking at setting up a SAN. From my research, I think one thing to be aware of is current IOPS (disk). There are a number of sites that will help you determine IOPS based on what hard drives (and RAID configuration). My question is: Many of my current servers are light use. The IOPS that these servers are capable of is much greater than what is actually being used. So, in order to more properly size the SAN, is there a way to determine working IOPS? That is, what is actually being used? I assume Perfmon would help, and will need to log over a period of time (I think a week would be about right, to catch most scenarios). But what counters, and how to analyze those counters? Servers are Windows 2003. Thanks. Mark Reimer, A+, MCSA Servers Networking Admin Prairie Bible Institute Box 4000 Three Hills, AB T0M-2N0 Canada Tel: 403-443-5511, Ext. 3476 Fax: 403-443-5540 Email: mark.rei...@prairie.edumailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu www.prairie.eduhttp://www.prairie.edu/ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Infrastructure Specialist defined - was: OT - ugh!
How long will you be in Seattle, MBS? -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Infrastructure Specialist defined - was: OT - ugh! The last time I was in Seattle, I tried one on. They are very substantial and well-constructed. I'm heading out there again next week and I may - just may - buy one to wear here (back East). Just for the shock value, if nothing else. (I don't have ego issues and I've got great legs, from dancing.) :-) Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Heaton, Joseph@DFG [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Infrastructure Specialist defined - was: OT - ugh! That's a lot of money for one item of clothing, though... Joe Heaton ITB – Windows Server Support -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:03 PM To: Heaton, Joseph@DFG; NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Infrastructure Specialist defined - was: OT - ugh! What MBS said - however, I do still stand out from the crowd, because it's not all *that* common. For instance, nobody at work besides me has worn one. It's still very common that I go to a public venue and get comments from folks - always approving and complimentary - regarding how cool it is that I'm so brave and daring to wear one. This after wearing it full time for over six years. Some question my wearing one during the winter, but given the weather here it's really not a problem, as I don't spend hours upon hours outside during really cold weather - the typical trip is between vehicle and building.. Oddly, it's mostly women complimenting me on the the look, and often sighing about how they want to get their male friends to wear one. Kurt On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:01, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.com wrote: Just curious. We don't see many kilts here in Southern Indiana, and then usually just at formal occasions. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:40 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Infrastructure Specialist defined - was: OT - ugh! Well, not to bed, nor while bathing, and not when I'm getting up on my roof to clean the gutters, but other than that, yeah, all the time... Kurt On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 06:37, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.com wrote: All the time? -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 4:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Infrastructure Specialist defined - was: OT - ugh! I wear a kilt, so I'm pretty much exempt from your amendments - especially the first one... Heh. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:57, Sam Cayze sca...@gmail.com wrote: Or at my company: If it passes electrons, requires a ladder, or involves getting dirty, it's yours. I used to be in carpentry so I'm OK with it though. I like the surprise tasks :) -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 1:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Infrastructure Specialist defined - was: OT - ugh! Simpler: If it passes electrons, it's yours. As opposed to IT Generalist: If it passes electrons or whines when frustrated, it's yours. Kurt On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:49, Don Kuhlman drkuhl...@yahoo.com wrote: Long but here's a snip of the description... Job Summary The primary role of the temporary Production Infrastructure Specialist is the support of production infrastructure systems across multiple operating units within the business. This includes client-facing application servers, local fileservers/storage, and management of the local data centers. In addition to daily support of systems this role will undertake two long-term projects: 1. Coordinate migration of production servers from local Active-Directory to company Corporate Active Directory 2. Organize data archives and research/implement a modern, replacement archiving system. Job Responsibilities • Address daily support tickets regarding end-user permissions and file archiving and restores from nearline archive and disaster-recovery backup systems • Re-architect the file archive systems to make them more efficient, functional, easier to manage, and organized, replacing the current system if necessary • Coordinate the migration from a local Active Directory into the company global Active directory for all employee-facing systems • Assist senior Infrastructure Administrator with client facing and production infrastructure systems and services, ensuring both operating at an optimal level, with high availability and recoverability. • Works independently toward goals and objectives seeks additional review on
Re: NTFS ACL fun
Any one of the command line perms modifiers, like cacls, xcacls, icacls, subinacl, etc should be able to manage this. On 7 February 2012 14:31, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: So, during a SAN move all our NTFS ACL’s were wiped (thousands of folders and about 300K files. Ouch). Resetting them CREATOR OWNER is a special ID and I don’t need to do anything other than put the name in there as a placeholder right? That’s my read on that account name. ** ** The only bonus of this is this ACL wipe nuked 9 years of bad form where many folders had a specific user ACL instead of an AD group created and pointed at it. Not to blow my own horn but they should be glad I started – and enforced – the “create a group for File ACLs” a few years ago. We are recreating the ACL’s from the AD groups so anything outside those boundaries….gone. ** ** Now…is there any way programmatically to add back CREATOR OWNER and SYSTEM to all files/folder ACLs, including ones with inheritance turned off? *David Lum* Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. * * The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However, if you pass them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for transmission. * * In the event that the originator did not send this email to you, then please return it to us and attach a scanned-in picture of your mother's brother's wife wearing nothing but a kangaroo suit, and we will immediately refund you exactly half of what you paid for the can of Whiskas you bought when you went to Pets** ** At Home yesterday. * * We take no responsibility for non-receipt of this email because we are running Exchange 5.5 and everyone knows how glitchy that can be. In the event that you do get this message then please note that we take no responsibility for that either. Nor will we accept any liability, tacit or implied, for any damage you may or may not incur as a result of receiving, or not, as the case may be, from time to time, notwithstanding all liabilities implied or otherwise, ummm, hell, where was I...umm, no matter what happens, it is NOT, and NEVER WILL BE, OUR FAULT! * * The comments and opinions expressed herein are my own and NOT those of my employer, who, if he knew I was sending emails and surfing the seamier side of the Internet, would cut off my manhood and feed it to me for afternoon tea. * ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: South Florida position.
As a business owner of a small IT consultancy in Boca Raton, you probably could find an entry level person for about 25/hr, but you would need to include/reimburse for mileage. If you look in the South Florida Business Journal, you will see that IT networking is @ 3% unemployment and application programmers here are under 1%. So you basically have to get technical people through attrition (i.e. take them from somewhere else). I just had a client of ours get shutdown by the government (foreclosure business) , and they had 5 help desk guys and an IT manager. All of them found jobs making 55-75k with bonuses, 2 weeks vacation, 401k etc. The IT manager went to a bank where he became one of the back end engineers for low 80s if I recall. These guys are all in Hollywood, right in the middle of where you are looking to hire. This isn't meant to be anything more than information from someone who lives, and works in IT down here . You can probably find someone who is willing to do the job within your range, but I would expect a decent turnover rate because once they get 6-8 months experience they would likely be picked up by a competitor (me! J ) . Our two help desk (9-5 in the office remote 90% of the time) make in the low 50s with 401k and flexible time schedules . I hope that helps . From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: South Florida position. YG(t)BFKM On Monday, February 6, 2012, gro...@beachcomp.com wrote: sarcasm off There was sarcasm there at all. /sarcasm off From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:55 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: South Florida position. Your sarcasm does not help your post. Plus, I worked a year in Fort Lauderdale. I am politely refraining from openly talking shit about your company. -- Espi On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 3:00 PM, gro...@beachcomp.com wrote: Guys, THANK YOU for your input. It REALLY is constructive. And, if you know someone willing to start with low pay and grow (skipping the sales part as it's an added bonus anyhow), please let us know. From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 5:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: South Florida position. You need to seriously reassess your compensation. Its way out of balance with your expectations. -- Espi On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:42 AM, gro...@beachcomp.com wrote: Folks, I truly hope this is allowed and that I don't upset people by this e-mail. We're looking for some reliable people to start and grow with us. If you know anyone, please forward this to them. Thanks! On-Site Computer Field Technician Tech Support Rep (Hollywood, Aventura, North Miami Beach) Please DO NOT apply for this position if you do not meet all the qualifications listed below. Job Purpose: Candidates will be required to manage and deliver On-Site Over-the-phone services including repairing servers and workstations by utilizing diagnostic and repair techniques, virus/malware removal, data backup, operating system installation, end user software support. Common job tasks also associated with the core job functions are pre post sales and support, help desk and customer support to users by researching and answering questions; resolving problems; providing resources. Candidates will also need to be able to create marketing advertising materials for use by the company. In addition to the duties listed below, candidate will be required to actively market the services offered by the company and accomplish a goal of Two signed maintenance agreements per month. Duties: - Repair workstations while logging repair work orders; responding to requests. - Comply with policies while adhering to requirements; advising management of needed actions. - Update job knowledge by parti ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Consulting (was: OT - ugh!)
I agree that is the most reliable way to get leads / business but it takes time. The way I got started on my first IT business was by moving from a FT position with my employer to a contract position, they covered my bills and it let me build up some other clients at the same time. That business eventually went public doing IT security audits and SOX/GLB stuff with EY. My last company I did basically the same thing, the mortgage industry was hot, I aligned myself with a couple of them and was able to get on contract, it wasn't a ton of money but I knew at least my bills were paid. I also used my office there to conduct my own business. It was a win/win , as if there was an emergency I was already in their office , but I could do other things and conduct other business at the same time .. As that grew I eventually replaced myself with my first help desk person and that was it. Now 3 years later we have 70+ clients, and 6 employees FT. If you can get one company as a cash cow to at least cover your expenses but give you the flexibility to roam around is in my opinion the best way to build from the ground up w/o a lot of capital. From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Consulting (was: OT - ugh!) Oh yeah, absolutely. Creating and maintaining a professional network is critical. I swap-off jobs and leads with probably 8-10 other independent consultants in various expertises and locales. I scratch their back, they scratch mine. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Consulting (was: OT - ugh!) All of the above, including tapping your professional network. Also look at sites such as Guru.com and Freelancer.com for opportunities. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market. On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Don Kuhlman drkuhl...@yahoo.com wrote: This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched on, do any of our successful entrepreneurs care to share how you got your own thing going? For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website, contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)? Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get going. I'm thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on clients for ongoing support, and then things spread through word of mouth, or how did you keep an income stream coming in at the beginning? Don K _ From: Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 9:47 AM Subject: RE: OT - ugh! I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier. I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) who waited even longer than I did. :-) Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT - ugh! I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that some non-college educated people were able to start successful businesses was the fact that they were not educated enough to realize the risks involved. An interesting thought, isn't it? -Original Message- From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT - ugh! No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do need brains and a lot of hard work. Of course if it's something you love, it's not work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about what they do are what you're looking for. We're better than our less passionate IT workers simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways to do things, learning how the mechanics of something works, and seeking out others who have the same passion. I feel I'm better at Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply because my passion for it is far higher. Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded. Bill Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in 1975. It's that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a billionaire, right? Wrong. Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two co-founders met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area. The school raised three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal for the
RE: Anyone Use Double-Take RecoverNow?
We are using Vmware HA/DRS 5 , and Veeam Backup and DR. We do daily backups and 4 hour snapshots to a secondary SAN. We can drill into the backups easily and drag out files or just mount from backup. We tested the exchange restore and Im not super crazy about it, but it does work . we don't use the SQL backup because we are doing sql backups to flat files anyway . so we can restore that way. Veeam should have the HyperV version available , I would have to check my partner portal with them.. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 1:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Anyone Use Double-Take RecoverNow? I'm sorry, all I hear is: Run away, run away! On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Greg Olson gol...@markettools.com wrote: Yes I use it.. opps let me re-phrase that, have a fully paid copy of the software that I've written off as it performed good in initial testing with just two machines, but have had nothing but issues with it going live anytime it goes over four machines. This software is basically three different products thrown together with a fourth product that attempts to manage it all, and fails miserably. For instance you create a job in the recovery console, and you should be able to go back there and check on status, or if you need to restore, run the restore from there, but you go back, and strangely the job has disappeared.. Hum, going over to the replication now software piece (separate program) and checking, it does appear to be running still. But you can't do restores from that software so it's off to call tech support again. Every time I want to do a restore. And it's frustrating when you have 25 jobs setup but only 2 or 3 show up, or if there is more, they show a status of failed, but checking the other software it is running. IT's frustrating, and we're not renewing the software license and fighting for a full refund, but its been awhile now as we've been trying to get it to work, and as always the next release will fix everything. I'd stay far away from it until they work out the bugs (and yes I have emails from their support saying its known issues , and doesn't work right). -Greg From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Anyone Use Double-Take RecoverNow? I used Double-Take until the releases of SQL Mirroring, Exchange CCR (and then DAG), and DPM. Since then, I've used the MSFT solutions (and refer customers to those solutions because I like having one place to point fingers). Now, when I used Double-Take, I was very pleased with it. But that experience is several years old. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Anyone Use Double-Take RecoverNow? Wow, nobody. I thought for sure with as many folks we have posting here there must be a few running that software. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 4:25 PM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote: If so, how do you like it? Does it work as advertised? Any gotchas I should know about? Thanks, James ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
RE: IOPS's calculations
Where do you get x 2 ? I was with you - until that. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations As a rule of thumb queue length shouldn't exceed the physical number of disks in the array that the LUN is on x 2. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 13:50 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IOPS's calculations So, to which counters should I be paying attention in such a situation, or what should be the difference in interpretation? I've got a file server that's being extremely slow to back up, though daily performance is adequate. I'm seeing disk queue length hit as high as 37, with 5 LUNS for the machine. Kurt On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 21:32, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote: Those perf counters can be a bit misleading when you’re looking at a SAN on the backend, though. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Disk Reads per second Disk Writes per second Average Disk Queue Length I’d track both logical disk and physical disk. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: IOPS's calculations Hi folks, Thanks for all your help in the past. Looking at setting up a SAN. From my research, I think one thing to be aware of is current IOPS (disk). There are a number of sites that will help you determine IOPS based on what hard drives (and RAID configuration). My question is: Many of my current servers are light use. The IOPS that these servers are capable of is much greater than what is actually being used. So, in order to more properly size the SAN, is there a way to determine working IOPS? That is, what is actually being used? I assume Perfmon would help, and will need to log over a period of time (I think a week would be about right, to catch most scenarios). But what counters, and how to analyze those counters? Servers are Windows 2003. Thanks. Mark Reimer, A+, MCSA Servers Networking Admin Prairie Bible Institute Box 4000 Three Hills, AB T0M-2N0 Canada Tel: 403-443-5511, Ext. 3476 Fax: 403-443-5540 Email: mark.rei...@prairie.edu www.prairie.edu ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage
Re: ASUS laptops/notepbooks
It's just the next version of USB which will make it much more common than eSATA in the future. My laptop has USB3 and it's a lower-end Lenovo from last year. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: But less common from what I saw. That is why I asked. Speed does not in it self mean that was the reason for all things. Jon On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:31 AM, cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: Usb3 is faster Sent from my iPhone On Feb 6, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: Why did you not go with an eSATA enclosure? If I may ask. Jon On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 3:47 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.comwrote: Just a generic one (Asrock I think) I picked up at a local computer shop. I have several – haven’t really noticed much difference between them performance wise. ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Sunday, 5 February 2012 3:50 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: ASUS laptops/notepbooks ** ** 128 GB SD. I didn't even know that those exist... A little checking shows that they're actually not crazy expensive, if you actually have a use case that demands one. http://www.amazon.com/Lexar-Media-Flash-Memory-LSD128CRBNA133/dp/B004SAMZW4 ** ** If you don't mind me asking, what USB3 enclosure are you using for the 512 GB SSD? ** ** On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: For running VMs I went the opposite route – Sony Z (previously a Z1, now a Z2). 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD (internal), 1920x1080 screen, Core i7, 13”, weighs about 1.2kg. Unbelievable piece of kit. I added an extra 512GB SSD (connected via USB3), so I have plenty of storage for VMs now. 128GB SD card holds installation ISOs Cheers Ken *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] *Sent:* Friday, 3 February 2012 11:47 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: ASUS laptops/notepbooks This doesn't apply to your situation, but I just bought a monster ASUS laptop to take with me on the road. I am on the road the next 2 months and possibly until July. I needed something so I could continue my writing while traveling. Core i7 quad-core w/HT, 17.3 screen, 16GB RAM and 2 500GB HDs – will run 5 VMs very well. It may run more but I only have 5 right now. This is my last day at current customer before I hit the road for 2 months and maybe 6 months. The guys here are really liking the laptop. I am sure my chiropractor will too as the monster weighs 10 lbs! Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ *From: *Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org *Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Date: *Fri, 3 Feb 2012 08:50:44 -0500 *To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Subject: *ASUS laptops/notepbooks Anyone using these in the enterprise? We currently use Dell or Lenovo laptops. Some of the ASUS models look very light, which would be good for our nomadic staff. Just wondering on long term durability, ability to image. Comments appreciated. Tom ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~
RE: IOPS's calculations
Most guides I've read suggest if the LUN has 10 physical disks, you don't want the queue to exceed around 20, or if you have 5 disks a queue of 10 and so on. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 15:06 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Where do you get x 2 ? I was with you - until that. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations As a rule of thumb queue length shouldn't exceed the physical number of disks in the array that the LUN is on x 2. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 13:50 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IOPS's calculations So, to which counters should I be paying attention in such a situation, or what should be the difference in interpretation? I've got a file server that's being extremely slow to back up, though daily performance is adequate. I'm seeing disk queue length hit as high as 37, with 5 LUNS for the machine. Kurt On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 21:32, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote: Those perf counters can be a bit misleading when you’re looking at a SAN on the backend, though. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Disk Reads per second Disk Writes per second Average Disk Queue Length I’d track both logical disk and physical disk. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: IOPS's calculations Hi folks, Thanks for all your help in the past. Looking at setting up a SAN. From my research, I think one thing to be aware of is current IOPS (disk). There are a number of sites that will help you determine IOPS based on what hard drives (and RAID configuration). My question is: Many of my current servers are light use. The IOPS that these servers are capable of is much greater than what is actually being used. So, in order to more properly size the SAN, is there a way to determine working IOPS? That is, what is actually being used? I assume Perfmon would help, and will need to log over a period of time (I think a week would be about right, to catch most scenarios). But what counters, and how to analyze those counters? Servers are Windows 2003. Thanks. Mark Reimer, A+, MCSA Servers Networking Admin Prairie Bible Institute Box 4000 Three Hills, AB T0M-2N0 Canada Tel: 403-443-5511, Ext. 3476 Fax: 403-443-5540 Email: mark.rei...@prairie.edu www.prairie.edu ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: IOPS's calculations
I'm not a SAN expert. But for typical RAID subsystems, I don't want the physical queue to exceed the number of disks in the array. If it does, then I've got excessive queuing and degraded performance. I don't see how it would be different for a SAN, but I dunno. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:40 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Most guides I've read suggest if the LUN has 10 physical disks, you don't want the queue to exceed around 20, or if you have 5 disks a queue of 10 and so on. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 15:06 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Where do you get x 2 ? I was with you - until that. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations As a rule of thumb queue length shouldn't exceed the physical number of disks in the array that the LUN is on x 2. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 13:50 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IOPS's calculations So, to which counters should I be paying attention in such a situation, or what should be the difference in interpretation? I've got a file server that's being extremely slow to back up, though daily performance is adequate. I'm seeing disk queue length hit as high as 37, with 5 LUNS for the machine. Kurt On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 21:32, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote: Those perf counters can be a bit misleading when you’re looking at a SAN on the backend, though. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Disk Reads per second Disk Writes per second Average Disk Queue Length I’d track both logical disk and physical disk. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: IOPS's calculations Hi folks, Thanks for all your help in the past. Looking at setting up a SAN. From my research, I think one thing to be aware of is current IOPS (disk). There are a number of sites that will help you determine IOPS based on what hard drives (and RAID configuration). My question is: Many of my current servers are light use. The IOPS that these servers are capable of is much greater than what is actually being used. So, in order to more properly size the SAN, is there a way to determine working IOPS? That is, what is actually being used? I assume Perfmon would help, and will need to log over a period of time (I think a week would be about right, to catch most scenarios). But what counters, and how to analyze those counters? Servers are Windows 2003. Thanks. Mark Reimer, A+, MCSA Servers Networking Admin Prairie Bible Institute Box 4000 Three Hills, AB T0M-2N0 Canada Tel: 403-443-5511, Ext. 3476 Fax: 403-443-5540 Email: mark.rei...@prairie.edu www.prairie.edu ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton,
Re: Coverups do little good...
Oh wow, I totally forgot about that douche move. They were truly a match made in hell - and we will continue to pay the price. -- Espi On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Cameron cameron.orl...@gmail.com wrote: VeriSign sold its certificate business in the summer of 2010 to Symantec Corp, which has kept the VeriSign brand name on those products. Says it all Verisign (Verislime) sucked before Symantec bought them. They're the ones who wanted to take all domain name typos in the world and redirect them to their own ad site. http://slashdot.org/story/03/09/16/0034210/resolving-everything-verisign-adds-wildcards -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: IOPS's calculations
I've always used the *2 rule of thumb cited below also... Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 9:26 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations I'm not a SAN expert. But for typical RAID subsystems, I don't want the physical queue to exceed the number of disks in the array. If it does, then I've got excessive queuing and degraded performance. I don't see how it would be different for a SAN, but I dunno. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:40 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Most guides I've read suggest if the LUN has 10 physical disks, you don't want the queue to exceed around 20, or if you have 5 disks a queue of 10 and so on. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 15:06 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Where do you get x 2 ? I was with you - until that. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations As a rule of thumb queue length shouldn't exceed the physical number of disks in the array that the LUN is on x 2. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 13:50 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IOPS's calculations So, to which counters should I be paying attention in such a situation, or what should be the difference in interpretation? I've got a file server that's being extremely slow to back up, though daily performance is adequate. I'm seeing disk queue length hit as high as 37, with 5 LUNS for the machine. Kurt On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 21:32, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote: Those perf counters can be a bit misleading when you’re looking at a SAN on the backend, though. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Disk Reads per second Disk Writes per second Average Disk Queue Length I’d track both logical disk and physical disk. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: IOPS's calculations Hi folks, Thanks for all your help in the past. Looking at setting up a SAN. From my research, I think one thing to be aware of is current IOPS (disk). There are a number of sites that will help you determine IOPS based on what hard drives (and RAID configuration). My question is: Many of my current servers are light use. The IOPS that these servers are capable of is much greater than what is actually being used. So, in order to more properly size the SAN, is there a way to determine working IOPS? That is, what is actually being used? I assume Perfmon would help, and will need to log over a period of time (I think a week would be about right, to catch most scenarios). But what counters, and how to analyze those counters? Servers are Windows 2003. Thanks. Mark Reimer, A+, MCSA Servers Networking Admin Prairie Bible Institute Box 4000 Three Hills, AB T0M-2N0 Canada Tel: 403-443-5511, Ext. 3476 Fax: 403-443-5540 Email: mark.rei...@prairie.edu www.prairie.edu ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that
RE: IOPS's calculations
I don't think SAN vs. DAS/NAS should matter tbh, just the spindles in the array - no expert either I just muddle by. This is what I was going from - http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc938625.aspx From: Michael B. Smith [mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 4:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations I'm not a SAN expert. But for typical RAID subsystems, I don't want the physical queue to exceed the number of disks in the array. If it does, then I've got excessive queuing and degraded performance. I don't see how it would be different for a SAN, but I dunno. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:40 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Most guides I've read suggest if the LUN has 10 physical disks, you don't want the queue to exceed around 20, or if you have 5 disks a queue of 10 and so on. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 15:06 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Where do you get x 2 ? I was with you - until that. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations As a rule of thumb queue length shouldn't exceed the physical number of disks in the array that the LUN is on x 2. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 13:50 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IOPS's calculations So, to which counters should I be paying attention in such a situation, or what should be the difference in interpretation? I've got a file server that's being extremely slow to back up, though daily performance is adequate. I'm seeing disk queue length hit as high as 37, with 5 LUNS for the machine. Kurt On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 21:32, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote: Those perf counters can be a bit misleading when you’re looking at a SAN on the backend, though. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Disk Reads per second Disk Writes per second Average Disk Queue Length I’d track both logical disk and physical disk. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: IOPS's calculations Hi folks, Thanks for all your help in the past. Looking at setting up a SAN. From my research, I think one thing to be aware of is current IOPS (disk). There are a number of sites that will help you determine IOPS based on what hard drives (and RAID configuration). My question is: Many of my current servers are light use. The IOPS that these servers are capable of is much greater than what is actually being used. So, in order to more properly size the SAN, is there a way to determine working IOPS? That is, what is actually being used? I assume Perfmon would help, and will need to log over a period of time (I think a week would be about right, to catch most scenarios). But what counters, and how to analyze those counters? Servers are Windows 2003. Thanks. Mark Reimer, A+, MCSA Servers Networking Admin Prairie Bible Institute Box 4000 Three Hills, AB T0M-2N0 Canada Tel: 403-443-5511, Ext. 3476 Fax: 403-443-5540 Email: mark.rei...@prairie.edu www.prairie.edu ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe
RE: IOPS's calculations
Gets more interesting with SAN though when you have something like a Netapp FlashCache or something in the mix Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations I don't think SAN vs. DAS/NAS should matter tbh, just the spindles in the array - no expert either I just muddle by. This is what I was going from - http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc938625.aspx From: Michael B. Smith [mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 4:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations I'm not a SAN expert. But for typical RAID subsystems, I don't want the physical queue to exceed the number of disks in the array. If it does, then I've got excessive queuing and degraded performance. I don't see how it would be different for a SAN, but I dunno. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:40 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Most guides I've read suggest if the LUN has 10 physical disks, you don't want the queue to exceed around 20, or if you have 5 disks a queue of 10 and so on. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 15:06 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Where do you get x 2 ? I was with you - until that. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations As a rule of thumb queue length shouldn't exceed the physical number of disks in the array that the LUN is on x 2. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 13:50 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IOPS's calculations So, to which counters should I be paying attention in such a situation, or what should be the difference in interpretation? I've got a file server that's being extremely slow to back up, though daily performance is adequate. I'm seeing disk queue length hit as high as 37, with 5 LUNS for the machine. Kurt On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 21:32, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote: Those perf counters can be a bit misleading when you're looking at a SAN on the backend, though. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Disk Reads per second Disk Writes per second Average Disk Queue Length I'd track both logical disk and physical disk. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: IOPS's calculations Hi folks, Thanks for all your help in the past. Looking at setting up a SAN. From my research, I think one thing to be aware of is current IOPS (disk). There are a number of sites that will help you determine IOPS based on what hard drives (and RAID configuration). My question is: Many of my current servers are light use. The IOPS that these servers are capable of is much greater than what is actually being used. So, in order to more properly size the SAN, is there a way to determine working IOPS? That is, what is actually being used? I assume Perfmon would help, and will need to log over a period of time (I think a week would be about right, to catch most scenarios). But what counters, and how to analyze those counters? Servers are Windows 2003. Thanks. Mark Reimer, A+, MCSA Servers Networking Admin Prairie Bible Institute Box 4000 Three Hills, AB T0M-2N0 Canada Tel: 403-443-5511, Ext. 3476 Fax: 403-443-5540 Email: mark.rei...@prairie.edu www.prairie.edu ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to
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I think even DAS is getting smarter these days. I've just had a new Dell arrive and whilst we aren't using the feature, it seems the PERC can use an SSD drive as cache, which I thought was pretty cool for such an entry level box of tricks (relatively speaking). From: Brian Desmond [br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 5:58 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Gets more interesting with SAN though when you have something like a Netapp FlashCache or something in the mix Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations I don't think SAN vs. DAS/NAS should matter tbh, just the spindles in the array - no expert either I just muddle by. This is what I was going from - http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc938625.aspx From: Michael B. Smith [mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 4:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations I'm not a SAN expert. But for typical RAID subsystems, I don't want the physical queue to exceed the number of disks in the array. If it does, then I've got excessive queuing and degraded performance. I don't see how it would be different for a SAN, but I dunno. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:40 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Most guides I've read suggest if the LUN has 10 physical disks, you don't want the queue to exceed around 20, or if you have 5 disks a queue of 10 and so on. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 15:06 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Where do you get x 2 ? I was with you - until that. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations As a rule of thumb queue length shouldn't exceed the physical number of disks in the array that the LUN is on x 2. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 13:50 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IOPS's calculations So, to which counters should I be paying attention in such a situation, or what should be the difference in interpretation? I've got a file server that's being extremely slow to back up, though daily performance is adequate. I'm seeing disk queue length hit as high as 37, with 5 LUNS for the machine. Kurt On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 21:32, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote: Those perf counters can be a bit misleading when you're looking at a SAN on the backend, though. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Disk Reads per second Disk Writes per second Average Disk Queue Length I'd track both logical disk and physical disk. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: IOPS's calculations Hi folks, Thanks for all your help in the past. Looking at setting up a SAN. From my research, I think one thing to be aware of is current IOPS (disk). There are a number of sites that will help you determine IOPS based on what hard drives (and RAID configuration). My question is: Many of my current servers are light use. The IOPS that these servers are capable of is much greater than what is actually being used. So, in order to more properly size the SAN, is there a way to determine working IOPS? That is, what is actually being used? I assume Perfmon would help, and will need to log over a period of time (I think a week would be about right, to catch most scenarios). But what counters, and how to analyze those counters? Servers are Windows 2003. Thanks. Mark Reimer, A+, MCSA Servers Networking Admin Prairie Bible Institute Box 4000 Three Hills, AB T0M-2N0 Canada Tel: 403-443-5511, Ext. 3476 Fax: 403-443-5540 Email: mark.rei...@prairie.edu www.prairie.edu ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To
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Very true. Large global cache, automated tiering, etc. are all technologies that change the way performance and bottlenecks are measured. There are situations introduced in SAN environment (forced flushing of cache), that can occur in a DAS scenario, are much more prevelant in a SAN and have much wider impact. Looking at solutions like Compellent or 3Par that have virtualized storage add another level complexity. Your data could be striped across hundreds of drives. I wouldn't consider a queue depth at an equal number acceptable for a single volume. - Sean On 2/7/12, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote: Gets more interesting with SAN though when you have something like a Netapp FlashCache or something in the mix Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations I don't think SAN vs. DAS/NAS should matter tbh, just the spindles in the array - no expert either I just muddle by. This is what I was going from - http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc938625.aspx From: Michael B. Smith [mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 4:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations I'm not a SAN expert. But for typical RAID subsystems, I don't want the physical queue to exceed the number of disks in the array. If it does, then I've got excessive queuing and degraded performance. I don't see how it would be different for a SAN, but I dunno. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:40 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Most guides I've read suggest if the LUN has 10 physical disks, you don't want the queue to exceed around 20, or if you have 5 disks a queue of 10 and so on. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 15:06 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Where do you get x 2 ? I was with you - until that. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations As a rule of thumb queue length shouldn't exceed the physical number of disks in the array that the LUN is on x 2. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 13:50 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IOPS's calculations So, to which counters should I be paying attention in such a situation, or what should be the difference in interpretation? I've got a file server that's being extremely slow to back up, though daily performance is adequate. I'm seeing disk queue length hit as high as 37, with 5 LUNS for the machine. Kurt On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 21:32, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote: Those perf counters can be a bit misleading when you're looking at a SAN on the backend, though. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Disk Reads per second Disk Writes per second Average Disk Queue Length I'd track both logical disk and physical disk. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: IOPS's calculations Hi folks, Thanks for all your help in the past. Looking at setting up a SAN. From my research, I think one thing to be aware of is current IOPS (disk). There are a number of sites that will help you determine IOPS based on what hard drives (and RAID configuration). My question is: Many of my current servers are light use. The IOPS that these servers are capable of is much greater than what is actually being used. So, in order to more properly size the SAN, is there a way to determine working IOPS? That is, what is actually being used? I assume Perfmon would help, and will need to log over a period of time (I think a week would be about right, to catch most scenarios). But what counters, and how to analyze those counters? Servers are Windows 2003. Thanks. Mark Reimer, A+, MCSA Servers Networking Admin Prairie Bible Institute Box 4000 Three Hills, AB T0M-2N0 Canada Tel:
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You mean a disk queue length of 5 on two-spindle RAID1 for more than 5 minutes is bad? LOL. I have a client that is constantly HDD-bound (I've seen queue lengths of 15 for over 10 mins at a time - and they're not out or RAM either), running SBS2K3 on dual SATA RAID1 volumes (the OS, Exchange and SQL are on the same volume though - long story)...17 users, most of them use a SQL, all of course use Exchange. As a general rule, I don't tell people that they'll see _significant_ performance improvements regardless of what kind of upgrade they are getting be it GB switches, SSD drives, etc. This client I _have_ told them they would see significant increase on their SQL-based app when they get a new server since it'll be 15K SAS drives and the SQL will be on a separate volume than Exchange. Dave -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:26 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations I'm not a SAN expert. But for typical RAID subsystems, I don't want the physical queue to exceed the number of disks in the array. If it does, then I've got excessive queuing and degraded performance. I don't see how it would be different for a SAN, but I dunno. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:40 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Most guides I've read suggest if the LUN has 10 physical disks, you don't want the queue to exceed around 20, or if you have 5 disks a queue of 10 and so on. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 15:06 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Where do you get x 2 ? I was with you - until that. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations As a rule of thumb queue length shouldn't exceed the physical number of disks in the array that the LUN is on x 2. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 13:50 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IOPS's calculations So, to which counters should I be paying attention in such a situation, or what should be the difference in interpretation? I've got a file server that's being extremely slow to back up, though daily performance is adequate. I'm seeing disk queue length hit as high as 37, with 5 LUNS for the machine. Kurt On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 21:32, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote: Those perf counters can be a bit misleading when you’re looking at a SAN on the backend, though. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Disk Reads per second Disk Writes per second Average Disk Queue Length I’d track both logical disk and physical disk. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: IOPS's calculations Hi folks, Thanks for all your help in the past. Looking at setting up a SAN. From my research, I think one thing to be aware of is current IOPS (disk). There are a number of sites that will help you determine IOPS based on what hard drives (and RAID configuration). My question is: Many of my current servers are light use. The IOPS that these servers are capable of is much greater than what is actually being used. So, in order to more properly size the SAN, is there a way to determine working IOPS? That is, what is actually being used? I assume Perfmon would help, and will need to log over a period of time (I think a week would be about right, to catch most scenarios). But what counters, and how to analyze those counters? Servers are Windows 2003. Thanks. Mark Reimer, A+, MCSA Servers Networking Admin Prairie Bible Institute Box 4000 Three Hills, AB T0M-2N0 Canada Tel: 403-443-5511, Ext. 3476 Fax: 403-443-5540 Email: mark.rei...@prairie.edu www.prairie.edu ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful
Re: IOPS's calculations
One of my first Exchange migrations was for an accounting firm whose Exchange 2000 server had an average DQL of * (Do you remember that one MBS?). I was able to convince them to get all new servers and upgrade their AD and Exchange. Of course, the fact it took hours for e-mail to be sent and received helped the financing of the upgrades. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ On 2/7/12 9:19 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: You mean a disk queue length of 5 on two-spindle RAID1 for more than 5 minutes is bad? LOL. I have a client that is constantly HDD-bound (I've seen queue lengths of 15 for over 10 mins at a time - and they're not out or RAM either), running SBS2K3 on dual SATA RAID1 volumes (the OS, Exchange and SQL are on the same volume though - long story)...17 users, most of them use a SQL, all of course use Exchange. As a general rule, I don't tell people that they'll see _significant_ performance improvements regardless of what kind of upgrade they are getting be it GB switches, SSD drives, etc. This client I _have_ told them they would see significant increase on their SQL-based app when they get a new server since it'll be 15K SAS drives and the SQL will be on a separate volume than Exchange. Dave -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:26 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations I'm not a SAN expert. But for typical RAID subsystems, I don't want the physical queue to exceed the number of disks in the array. If it does, then I've got excessive queuing and degraded performance. I don't see how it would be different for a SAN, but I dunno. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:40 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Most guides I've read suggest if the LUN has 10 physical disks, you don't want the queue to exceed around 20, or if you have 5 disks a queue of 10 and so on. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 15:06 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Where do you get x 2 ? I was with you - until that. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations As a rule of thumb queue length shouldn't exceed the physical number of disks in the array that the LUN is on x 2. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 13:50 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IOPS's calculations So, to which counters should I be paying attention in such a situation, or what should be the difference in interpretation? I've got a file server that's being extremely slow to back up, though daily performance is adequate. I'm seeing disk queue length hit as high as 37, with 5 LUNS for the machine. Kurt On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 21:32, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote: Those perf counters can be a bit misleading when you¹re looking at a SAN on the backend, though. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w 312.625.1438 | c 312.731.3132 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Disk Reads per second Disk Writes per second Average Disk Queue Length I¹d track both logical disk and physical disk. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: IOPS's calculations Hi folks, Thanks for all your help in the past. Looking at setting up a SAN. From my research, I think one thing to be aware of is current IOPS (disk). There are a number of sites that will help you determine IOPS based on what hard drives (and RAID configuration). My question is: Many of my current servers are light use. The IOPS that these servers are capable of is much greater than what is actually being used. So, in order to more properly size the SAN, is there a way to determine working IOPS? That is, what is actually being used? I assume Perfmon would help, and will need to log over a period of time (I think a week would be about right, to catch most scenarios). But what counters, and how to analyze those counters? Servers are Windows 2003. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
Re: What creates Exchange log files
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 1:55 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: What activity generates the Exchange log files? dumb Q, but I have an E2K3 server that has no traffic going to it but it still regularly generates log files. Any write to the Exchange database. I expect even an empty Exchange system will have background tasks recording their progress or state. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT - ugh!
I will suggest you invest in your own domain name. (You can still use blogspot). It's pretty cheap, it also makes things more portable and later, you can use it for your email should you go independant and not lose the existing work or your 'identity branding'. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:39 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem to be enjoying it! Good call. Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker for the title for my blog. Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com Cheers, JR On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: PLEASE DO. I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a LOT of options. Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO) Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird -- *From: *Webster webs...@carlwebster.com *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:35:57 + *To: *NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *ReplyTo: *NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh! I will have to give MBS 100% credit. He bugged, pestered, annoyed and prodded me until I started writing. Once I started writing, people started reading. Once people started reading, I gained a name in the Citrix space. Once I got a name, I was honored with the CTP. Once I got the CTP, I was instantly in a really nice network of extremely smart people. I initially balked at the idea of going solo because just how much Citrix work can there possibly be out there? And besides, who in the world would hire me! to do anything? All my work comes thru my web site, Experts Exchange, fellow CTP, LinkedIn, Dice and word-of-mouth. Share your knowledge (even if like me you don't think you have anything to share) with the community and you may be surprised at what opens up for you. If you decide to go the writing route (which I strongly encourage you to do), be prepared to receive a bunch or criticism for what you share. Only those who stick their neck out and share, get recognized. I recommend you read the book, The Nomadic Developer. Wherever you see the word developer in the book, insert your title of choice (Network Admin, Network Engineer, Network Consultant, Systems Analyst, etc). I estimate I turn down 3 FTEs a week, and probably that many work offers every week. I can't possibly get to all the Citrix work that comes my way or all the AD work the Citrix world is throwing my way. I know rates depend on the area of the country you are in and I thought MBS was nuts when he told me to up my rate, but I charge $150/hr plus expenses and have had no one (but contracting agencies) complain. As busy as I am, maybe I need to up my rates again! :) Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: Don Kuhlman drkuhl...@yahoo.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:01:12 -0800 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched on, do any of our successful entrepreneurs care to share how you got your own thing going? For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website, contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)? Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get going. I'm thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on clients for ongoing support, and then things spread through word of mouth, or how did you keep an income stream coming in at the beginning? Don K ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email
Re: OT - ugh!
Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog! Keep it up. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem to be enjoying it! Good call. Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker for the title for my blog. Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com Cheers, JR On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: PLEASE DO. I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a LOT of options. Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO) ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT - ugh!
I did give some thought to that, it's on my to-do list right next to build a decent lab and try to stop eating as much rich food On 7 February 2012 19:17, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: I will suggest you invest in your own domain name. (You can still use blogspot). It's pretty cheap, it also makes things more portable and later, you can use it for your email should you go independant and not lose the existing work or your 'identity branding'. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:39 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.comwrote: Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem to be enjoying it! Good call. Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker for the title for my blog. Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com Cheers, JR On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: PLEASE DO. I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a LOT of options. Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO) Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird -- *From: *Webster webs...@carlwebster.com *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:35:57 + *To: *NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *ReplyTo: *NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh! I will have to give MBS 100% credit. He bugged, pestered, annoyed and prodded me until I started writing. Once I started writing, people started reading. Once people started reading, I gained a name in the Citrix space. Once I got a name, I was honored with the CTP. Once I got the CTP, I was instantly in a really nice network of extremely smart people. I initially balked at the idea of going solo because just how much Citrix work can there possibly be out there? And besides, who in the world would hire me! to do anything? All my work comes thru my web site, Experts Exchange, fellow CTP, LinkedIn, Dice and word-of-mouth. Share your knowledge (even if like me you don't think you have anything to share) with the community and you may be surprised at what opens up for you. If you decide to go the writing route (which I strongly encourage you to do), be prepared to receive a bunch or criticism for what you share. Only those who stick their neck out and share, get recognized. I recommend you read the book, The Nomadic Developer. Wherever you see the word developer in the book, insert your title of choice (Network Admin, Network Engineer, Network Consultant, Systems Analyst, etc). I estimate I turn down 3 FTEs a week, and probably that many work offers every week. I can't possibly get to all the Citrix work that comes my way or all the AD work the Citrix world is throwing my way. I know rates depend on the area of the country you are in and I thought MBS was nuts when he told me to up my rate, but I charge $150/hr plus expenses and have had no one (but contracting agencies) complain. As busy as I am, maybe I need to up my rates again! :) Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: Don Kuhlman drkuhl...@yahoo.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:01:12 -0800 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched on, do any of our successful entrepreneurs care to share how you got your own thing going? For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website, contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)? Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get going. I'm thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on clients for ongoing support, and then things spread through word of mouth, or how did you keep an income stream coming in at the beginning? Don K ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that
Re: OT - ugh!
I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am already making some more contacts, which is cool. Cheers, JR On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog! Keep it up. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem to be enjoying it! Good call. Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker for the title for my blog. Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com Cheers, JR On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: PLEASE DO. I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a LOT of options. Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO) ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. * * The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However, if you pass them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for transmission. * * In the event that the originator did not send this email to you, then please return it to us and attach a scanned-in picture of your mother's brother's wife wearing nothing but a kangaroo suit, and we will immediately refund you exactly half of what you paid for the can of Whiskas you bought when you went to Pets** ** At Home yesterday. * * We take no responsibility for non-receipt of this email because we are running Exchange 5.5 and everyone knows how glitchy that can be. In the event that you do get this message then please note that we take no responsibility for that either. Nor will we accept any liability, tacit or implied, for any damage you may or may not incur as a result of receiving, or not, as the case may be, from time to time, notwithstanding all liabilities implied or otherwise, ummm, hell, where was I...umm, no matter what happens, it is NOT, and NEVER WILL BE, OUR FAULT! * * The comments and opinions expressed herein are my own and NOT those of my employer, who, if he knew I was sending emails and surfing the seamier side of the Internet, would cut off my manhood and feed it to me for afternoon tea. * ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource
RE: OT - ugh!
I get that a lot. :) And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it - search on my blog. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT - ugh! I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am already making some more contacts, which is cool. Cheers, JR On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog! Keep it up. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem to be enjoying it! Good call. Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker for the title for my blog. Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com Cheers, JR On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: PLEASE DO. I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a LOT of options. Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO) ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. * IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However, if you pass them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for transmission. In the event that the originator did not send this email to you, then please return it to us and attach a scanned-in picture of your mother's brother's wife wearing nothing but a kangaroo suit, and we will immediately refund you exactly half of what you paid for the can of Whiskas you bought when you went to Pets At Home yesterday. We take no responsibility for non-receipt of this email because we are running Exchange 5.5 and everyone knows how glitchy that can be. In the event that you do get this message
RE: What creates Exchange log files
Doesn't even take a write. A completely idle system generates a log flush every X minutes (I can't remember how often X is on Exchange 2003). But it's basically there to prove that the system hasn't died (this is much more important for clusters and heartbeats, but does apply to single systems too). Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: What creates Exchange log files On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 1:55 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: What activity generates the Exchange log files? dumb Q, but I have an E2K3 server that has no traffic going to it but it still regularly generates log files. Any write to the Exchange database. I expect even an empty Exchange system will have background tasks recording their progress or state. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: OT - ugh!
I have to thank you guys for this thread. I've been doing consulting for about 15 years, for some small businesses and a couple years of full time work for one business in particular. I've recently stopped working full time for my big client (skills were stagnating because of too many other responsibilities there) and decided to grow my business. This thread has given me some good ideas. I wish I could get back all of the referrals I turned down over the years while working for that big client. Thanks! From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT - ugh! I hate to sound corny or mystical, but I'll write it anyway: if you believe, the Universe will provide. You just have to be willing to open the damn door when opportunity knocks. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT - ugh! Yeah I already figured I'd need 4 more clients of the same size as by biggest one. My biggest client is 3-10 hrs/week during non-server upgrade months. It would take 4 more clients of that size for me to break even with %dayjob%, and I would need at least three of them lined up before I jumped. If I was single it would have been a no-brainer long ago... Dave From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]mailto:[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT - ugh! I want it now. :) Three clients isn't enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor (where major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from me) clients. Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from my office at home (I've got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with video chat that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So... I plan to travel 8-10 times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the road. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]mailto:[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT - ugh! I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 1st last year. So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :) Yes, I am complaining all the way to the bank. If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a referral fee or commission! Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: OT - ugh! That's part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz - feast or famine! With just three clients I have I'm always amazed at how often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 - SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other than patching. From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT - ugh! I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm. Don't know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD infrastructures. I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix. I no longer do Exchange and refer all that to MBS. I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the time. Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :) Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in
Re: OT - ugh!
It is cool when the product vendor finds your blog. It was very surreal when I got the first e-mail from Citrix Education and the Citrix Exam team saying they were reading my stuff and sending links to my articles internal at Citrix! Then when I found out the CTP handlers at Citrix were watching me on EE and my blog, I just about freaked out. I have mentioned your blog on Twitter, LinkedIn and Facebook. Maybe that will add 1 or 2 more readers for you. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:31:49 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am already making some more contacts, which is cool. Cheers, JR On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog! Keep it up. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem to be enjoying it! Good call. Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker for the title for my blog. Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com Cheers, JR On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: PLEASE DO. I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a LOT of options. Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO) ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT - ugh!
Been a big help to me too. I am just trying now how to work out how to get the most work from two clients. I have an offer in the post for ten days' work for a fairly high-profile client but also an overlapping offer for a month's work at a different client. Is there any way people have found to balance out overlapping projects, or is it just a case of try to fit them in consecutively? Or do I really need to get involved at the bid stage rather than getting agencies coming to me with the offers? I suppose if I quoted them based around a project delivery timescale rather than purely x days at x rate, I could maybe shoehorn conflicting jobs in. Cheers, JR On 7 February 2012 20:08, ntsysadmin ntsysad...@rccs.org wrote: I have to thank you guys for this thread. I’ve been doing consulting for about 15 years, for some small businesses and a couple years of full time work for one business in particular. I’ve recently stopped working full time for my “big” client (skills were stagnating because of too many other responsibilities there) and decided to grow my business. This thread has given me some good ideas. I wish I could get back all of the referrals I turned down over the years while working for that big client. Thanks! ** ** *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 11:01 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: OT - ugh! ** ** I hate to sound corny or mystical, but I’ll write it anyway: if you believe, the Universe will provide. You just have to be willing to open the damn door when opportunity knocks. ** ** Regards, ** ** Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com ** ** *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 10:45 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: OT - ugh! ** ** Yeah I already figured I’d need 4 more clients of the same size as by biggest one. My biggest client is 3-10 hrs/week during “non-server upgrade” months. It would take 4 more clients of that size for me to break even with %dayjob%, and I would need at least three of them lined up before I jumped. If I was single it would have been a no-brainer long ago… ** ** Dave ** ** ** ** *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 3:04 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: OT - ugh! ** ** I want it now. J ** ** Three clients isn’t enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor (where major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from me) clients. ** ** Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from my office at home (I’ve got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with video chat that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So… I plan to travel 8-10 times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the road. ** ** Regards, ** ** Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com ** ** *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 5:49 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh! ** ** I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 1st last year. So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :) Yes, I am complaining all the way to the bank. If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a referral fee or commission! ** ** ** ** Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ ** ** *From: *David Lum david@nwea.org *Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 + *To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Subject: *RE: OT - ugh! ** ** That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz – feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at how often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other than patching. *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com webs...@carlwebster.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh! I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm. Don't know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD infrastructures. I
Re: OT - ugh!
Muchos gracias. I wondered where I had picked a couple of extra followers up from :-) On 7 February 2012 20:12, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: It is cool when the product vendor finds your blog. It was very surreal when I got the first e-mail from Citrix Education and the Citrix Exam team saying they were reading my stuff and sending links to my articles internal at Citrix! Then when I found out the CTP handlers at Citrix were watching me on EE and my blog, I just about freaked out. I have mentioned your blog on Twitter, LinkedIn and Facebook. Maybe that will add 1 or 2 more readers for you. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:31:49 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am already making some more contacts, which is cool. Cheers, JR On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog! Keep it up. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem to be enjoying it! Good call. Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker for the title for my blog. Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com Cheers, JR On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: PLEASE DO. I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a LOT of options. Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO) ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. * * The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However, if you pass them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for transmission. * * In the event that the originator did not send this email to you, then please return it to us and attach a scanned-in picture of your mother's brother's wife wearing nothing but a kangaroo suit, and we will immediately
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While I don't do full out articles and haven't blogged myself in a while, the main reason I do post stuff on mine, is really, so I can find it later. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote: I get that a lot. J ** ** And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it – search on my blog. ** ** Regards, ** ** Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com ** ** *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh! ** ** I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am already making some more contacts, which is cool. Cheers, JR On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog! ** ** Keep it up. ** ** ** ** Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ ** ** *From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com *Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 + *To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh! ** ** Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem to be enjoying it! Good call. Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker for the title for my blog. Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com Cheers, JR On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: PLEASE DO. I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a LOT of options. ** ** Thanks ** ** ** ** Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ ** ** *From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com *Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 + *To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh! ** ** I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO) ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. * *The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However, if you pass them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for transmission.* *In the event that the originator did not send this email to you, then please return it to us and attach a scanned-in picture of your mother's brother's wife wearing nothing but a kangaroo suit, and we will immediately refund you exactly half of what you paid for the can of Whiskas
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Yes - thanks to you for sharing guys! It's very encouraging to read your success stories and the way you got there. Much appreciated! Don K From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 2:18 PM Subject: Re: OT - ugh! Been a big help to me too. I am just trying now how to work out how to get the most work from two clients. I have an offer in the post for ten days' work for a fairly high-profile client but also an overlapping offer for a month's work at a different client. Is there any way people have found to balance out overlapping projects, or is it just a case of try to fit them in consecutively? Or do I really need to get involved at the bid stage rather than getting agencies coming to me with the offers? I suppose if I quoted them based around a project delivery timescale rather than purely x days at x rate, I could maybe shoehorn conflicting jobs in. Cheers, JR On 7 February 2012 20:08, ntsysadmin ntsysad...@rccs.org wrote: I have to thank you guys for this thread. I’ve been doing consulting for about 15 years, for some small businesses and a couple years of full time work for one business in particular. I’ve recently stopped working full time for my “big” client (skills were stagnating because of too many other responsibilities there) and decided to grow my business. This thread has given me some good ideas. I wish I could get back all of the referrals I turned down over the years while working for that big client. Thanks! From:Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT - ugh! I hate to sound corny or mystical, but I’ll write it anyway: if you believe, the Universe will provide. You just have to be willing to open the damn door when opportunity knocks. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From:David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT - ugh! Yeah I already figured I’d need 4 more clients of the same size as by biggest one. My biggest client is 3-10 hrs/week during “non-server upgrade” months. It would take 4 more clients of that size for me to break even with %dayjob%, and I would need at least three of them lined up before I jumped. If I was single it would have been a no-brainer long ago… Dave From:Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT - ugh! I want it now. J Three clients isn’t enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor (where major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from me) clients. Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from my office at home (I’ve got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with video chat that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So… I plan to travel 8-10 times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the road. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From:Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT - ugh! I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 1st last year. So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :) Yes, I am complaining all the way to the bank. If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a referral fee or commission! Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: David Lum david@nwea.org Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: OT - ugh! That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz – feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at how often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other than patching. From:Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT - ugh! I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm. Don't know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD infrastructures. I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix. I no longer do Exchange and refer all
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I have a list of people that regularly call/email about work. My philosophy is First confirmed, first served. Anytime I get a contract, I update my schedule and e-mail my list of contacts. The customer I am working for in Idaho next week has waited 6 week s for me. I have no idea why? Surely they could have found someone more readily available. But they said they wanted me (they found me via Google search for Citrix blogs). It is possible to do multiple projects at the same time. I tell people I am booked during the day and I can work on their stuff at night and or the weekend. That is usually acceptable for them if they need your skills. I might add, that having a good personality and not being a prick helps in this business. If people don't like you, they will not be back and they will not let you use them as a referral. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 20:18:25 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! Been a big help to me too. I am just trying now how to work out how to get the most work from two clients. I have an offer in the post for ten days' work for a fairly high-profile client but also an overlapping offer for a month's work at a different client. Is there any way people have found to balance out overlapping projects, or is it just a case of try to fit them in consecutively? Or do I really need to get involved at the bid stage rather than getting agencies coming to me with the offers? I suppose if I quoted them based around a project delivery timescale rather than purely x days at x rate, I could maybe shoehorn conflicting jobs in. Cheers, JR On 7 February 2012 20:08, ntsysadmin ntsysad...@rccs.orgmailto:ntsysad...@rccs.org wrote: I have to thank you guys for this thread. I’ve been doing consulting for about 15 years, for some small businesses and a couple years of full time work for one business in particular. I’ve recently stopped working full time for my “big” client (skills were stagnating because of too many other responsibilities there) and decided to grow my business. This thread has given me some good ideas. I wish I could get back all of the referrals I turned down over the years while working for that big client. Thanks! From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT - ugh! I hate to sound corny or mystical, but I’ll write it anyway: if you believe, the Universe will provide. You just have to be willing to open the damn door when opportunity knocks. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT - ugh! Yeah I already figured I’d need 4 more clients of the same size as by biggest one. My biggest client is 3-10 hrs/week during “non-server upgrade” months. It would take 4 more clients of that size for me to break even with %dayjob%, and I would need at least three of them lined up before I jumped. If I was single it would have been a no-brainer long ago… Dave From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]mailto:[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT - ugh! I want it now.:) Three clients isn’t enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor (where major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from me) clients. Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from my office at home (I’ve got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with video chat that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So… I plan to travel 8-10 times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the road. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]mailto:[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT - ugh! I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 1st last year. So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :) Yes, I am complaining all the way to the bank. If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a referral fee or commission! Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org Reply-To:
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There's me screwed then, I am a complete prick :-) Actually I find it a bit harder the other way, I have to try very hard not to be one of the boys and make remarks to the people I am working alongside that might make me seem unprofessional. It's a little hard coming from a support background where there was the tendency just to slag off every other IT discipline and maintain that most software is sh*te. Still, that's good advice, maybe I can convince one of these customers to get me on-site for a couple of days and then work on the rest of it in my spare time. If I can make their end-user desktops look and work great, they'll probably be happy :-) On 7 February 2012 20:38, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: I have a list of people that regularly call/email about work. My philosophy is First confirmed, first served. Anytime I get a contract, I update my schedule and e-mail my list of contacts. The customer I am working for in Idaho next week has waited 6 week s for me. I have no idea why? Surely they could have found someone more readily available. But they said they wanted me (they found me via Google search for Citrix blogs). It is possible to do multiple projects at the same time. I tell people I am booked during the day and I can work on their stuff at night and or the weekend. That is usually acceptable for them if they need your skills. I might add, that having a good personality and not being a prick helps in this business. If people don't like you, they will not be back and they will not let you use them as a referral. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 20:18:25 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! Been a big help to me too. I am just trying now how to work out how to get the most work from two clients. I have an offer in the post for ten days' work for a fairly high-profile client but also an overlapping offer for a month's work at a different client. Is there any way people have found to balance out overlapping projects, or is it just a case of try to fit them in consecutively? Or do I really need to get involved at the bid stage rather than getting agencies coming to me with the offers? I suppose if I quoted them based around a project delivery timescale rather than purely x days at x rate, I could maybe shoehorn conflicting jobs in. Cheers, JR On 7 February 2012 20:08, ntsysadmin ntsysad...@rccs.org wrote: I have to thank you guys for this thread. I’ve been doing consulting for about 15 years, for some small businesses and a couple years of full time work for one business in particular. I’ve recently stopped working full time for my “big” client (skills were stagnating because of too many other responsibilities there) and decided to grow my business. This thread has given me some good ideas. I wish I could get back all of the referrals I turned down over the years while working for that big client. Thanks!** ** ** ** *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 11:01 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: OT - ugh! ** ** I hate to sound corny or mystical, but I’ll write it anyway: if you believe, the Universe will provide. You just have to be willing to open the damn door when opportunity knocks. ** ** Regards, ** ** Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com ** ** *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 10:45 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: OT - ugh! ** ** Yeah I already figured I’d need 4 more clients of the same size as by biggest one. My biggest client is 3-10 hrs/week during “non-server upgrade” months. It would take 4 more clients of that size for me to break even with %dayjob%, and I would need at least three of them lined up before I jumped. If I was single it would have been a no-brainer long ago… ** ** Dave ** ** ** ** *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 3:04 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: OT - ugh! ** ** I want it now.J ** ** Three clients isn’t enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor (where major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from me) clients. ** ** Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from my office at home (I’ve got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with video chat that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So… I plan to travel 8-10 times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the road. ** ** Regards,
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Amen. * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote: I get that a lot. J ** ** And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it – search on my blog. ** ** Regards, ** ** Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com ** ** *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh! ** ** I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am already making some more contacts, which is cool. Cheers, JR On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog! ** ** Keep it up. ** ** ** ** Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ ** ** *From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com *Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 + *To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh! ** ** Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem to be enjoying it! Good call. Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker for the title for my blog. Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com Cheers, JR On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: PLEASE DO. I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a LOT of options. ** ** Thanks ** ** ** ** Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ ** ** *From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com *Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 + *To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh! ** ** I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO) ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: It would always bore me how they’d spend time talking about the bosses and subordinates and the wives and the kids – but you know – it makes a difference. It’s called “relationship building” and it helps establish trust and rapport. That stuff annoys the heck out of me. I'm doing RFPs and vendor selection and all that right now, and every salesdroid I talk to wants to do the touchy-feeling in-person meeting thing. I have no interest in it. It does not advance me towards the goals. I realize that glad-handing works on a lot of people, so that's why they do it. Still annoying. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: I'm doing RFPs and vendor selection and all that right now, and every salesdroid I talk to wants to do the touchy-feeling in-person meeting thing. If you tell them that you don't like to be handled, they won't. A lot of sales people can turn it on and off. It surprises me how many can't turn it off. To the point where it's cost them business (i.e., calling every month just to see what's going on, no matter how many times I've told them not to). Spam delivered via telephone is still spam. Of course, many do listen, which is appreciated. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Oh Ben, I bet it even works on you. :-) I'm sure you feel more confident dealing with someone you trust than with someone who you just found on the Internet. Perhaps I'm wrong - but I doubt it. I do understand your point. And when I'm looking at making hardware or software purchases (no services) I agree that it gets in the way. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:20 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT - ugh! On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: It would always bore me how they'd spend time talking about the bosses and subordinates and the wives and the kids - but you know - it makes a difference. It's called relationship building and it helps establish trust and rapport. That stuff annoys the heck out of me. I'm doing RFPs and vendor selection and all that right now, and every salesdroid I talk to wants to do the touchy-feeling in-person meeting thing. I have no interest in it. It does not advance me towards the goals. I realize that glad-handing works on a lot of people, so that's why they do it. Still annoying. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: OT - ugh!
I would never do that. I do try to get my name in front of past customers at least once a quarter, usually via a quick-tip of some type that I think would apply to their environment. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT - ugh! On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: I'm doing RFPs and vendor selection and all that right now, and every salesdroid I talk to wants to do the touchy-feeling in-person meeting thing. If you tell them that you don't like to be handled, they won't. A lot of sales people can turn it on and off. It surprises me how many can't turn it off. To the point where it's cost them business (i.e., calling every month just to see what's going on, no matter how many times I've told them not to). Spam delivered via telephone is still spam. Of course, many do listen, which is appreciated. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT - ugh!
We found you on the internet... On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote: Oh Ben, I bet it even works on you. :-) I'm sure you feel more confident dealing with someone you trust than with someone who you just found on the Internet. Perhaps I'm wrong - but I doubt it. I do understand your point. And when I'm looking at making hardware or software purchases (no services) I agree that it gets in the way. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:20 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT - ugh! On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: It would always bore me how they'd spend time talking about the bosses and subordinates and the wives and the kids - but you know - it makes a difference. It's called relationship building and it helps establish trust and rapport. That stuff annoys the heck out of me. I'm doing RFPs and vendor selection and all that right now, and every salesdroid I talk to wants to do the touchy-feeling in-person meeting thing. I have no interest in it. It does not advance me towards the goals. I realize that glad-handing works on a lot of people, so that's why they do it. Still annoying. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT - ugh!
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: I'm sure you feel more confident dealing with someone you trust than with someone who you just found on the Internet. Absolutely. But I also know how sales works. They've been trained to ask how I'm doing at the start of the call, to make fake small talk, to try and get an in-person meeting. They want to get my contact info so they can re-contact me different ways. They want to get a time frame so they know when to call me back. All of this information will be put into their CRM/SFA, which will remind them of it when it's next relevant. The majority of them follow this script to the letter. It's incredibly transparent. So them doing all that does not build trust with me, anymore than them hanging a sign around their neck that says Trust Me would. :-) And it's a hard problem, from both sides. They're supposed to convince me that they'll do a good job. I've got to figure out how good a job they'll do. Neither of us has any tool that can easily give us what we want. I do understand your point. And when I'm looking at making hardware or software purchases (no services) I agree that it gets in the way. I'm actually looking for services, but not so much of the independent consultant type. Conversations with tech people would be more useful, even if it's just a wire monkey. But at this stage it's all salesdroids who don't even know what they're selling half the time. :-/ -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: OT - ugh!
You could always take part in a larger community and become an expert there, instead of setting up shop on an island somewhere, where you're only an expert to yourself. J Rod Trent http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/community/members/rodtrent/ http://www.myitforum.com/ Description: myITSMButton http://twitter.com/rodtrent Description: TwitterButton http://www.facebook.com/rodtrent Description: Facebookbutton http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=2881785 Description: LinkedInButton From: Tony Patton [mailto:apco...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT - ugh! I'm one of them. We don't use AppSense yet, but at least one of our contracts will be using it this year. Never know when things come in handy :-) I'm thinking of setting up a blog/wiki type site to keep my scripts and other titbits of info and reference stored in a single place. Just have to decide which suits better. Thinking of a name is the hardest part. Tony On Feb 7, 2012 8:26 PM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage001.pngimage002.pngimage003.pngimage004.png
Re: OT - ugh!
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: I do try to get my name in front of past customers at least once a quarter, usually via a quick-tip of some type that I think would apply to their environment. Well, you're an independent consultant, which is a bit different. You're your own marketing person, generally working closely with the customer and on the deliverable. You're not some weenie who got my employer's name out of a leads database because they just bought a new building and that shows up in public record, or a parts vendor that has my name on file because I bought something from you once in 2003. :-) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT - ugh!
I agree with this, unfortunately I find looking for a job to be a job. Not quite my passion... But I am looking for a job so my plan over the next 9 years would be to 1st 3 years - get a certification in VMware (or on any virtualized platform) and from this list it looks like a Citrix Certification would be a good addition. The next 3 year job - get a up to date certification in CCNE and MCSE. The next 3 year job - to be determined. Or insert you own views for my development at your company. I am pretty good with the basics and consider myself very knowledgeable in most... Contact me offline for the positions you want me in. Also provide the information for each 3 year period you would want me to work. Of course I expect a decent salary and significant increases when changing jobs. Even though I have been at my present job for quite a while, we have had a lot of diversification with the system admins that have gone through our network. Each one brings in his own ideas and setups, then moves on after setting up his own opinion. Then we are left to troubleshoot the problems and try to provide reliability with what was left. They bring in their own new ways so we do see different ways to do and not to do things. We are exposed. I am looking to make it in your next review cycle. Andy0 - Original Message - I am sympathetic to the company doing the interview here. If you've been in one place for 15 years straight doing internal IT, you are unlikely to have much in the way of diversified experience. Every time you work with a new customer or take a new position at a new company, you're going to see new ways to do things. Some will be better, some will be worse, but, you'll see them, and even more so, you'll be exposed to the goods/bads. Some large companies have expectations that you'll move around internally every few years to change things up and when people don't, they have a way of not making it in review cycles. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: Jacob Kisner [mailto:jbdkis...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT - ugh! Because we feel you are not diversified enough to address our issues. Same issues I have addressed over the years poor issue management, no project management, no documentation, crashing servers, IT staff treating the network like a high school lab.. etc. Not only can I stop the bleeding and stabilize the patient (gave then how I would do it), I can implement a more proactive approach to IT management and stop the fires (also gave details.) I guess they rather have the fires... On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Don Kuhlman drkuhl...@yahoo.com wrote: That makes no sense - why do they care where you were for 15 years...Sorry to hear that Jacob. I just started a new position - temp for 9 months, nice place - nice people so far. I'm getting into MAC/Linux support so it's a stretch for me (windows background), but it's a job and a chance to learn. Good luck! Don K From: Jacob Kisner jbdkis...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 5:19 PM Subject: OT - ugh! Nothing sucks more than being interviewed for a position at a different company last Tuesday, then being called Thursday to say we are going to offer you a position and finally being told today that we changed our mind... We did not realize you were with the same company for 15 years... WTF? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a
Re: OT - ugh!
If you get into anything just for the money, you will not make it. And it by chance you do make it, you will not be happy. I give away a lot of time and info for free (as I know MBS, ASB and BD do). I have actually told prospects that I have an article written that covers the work they want me to do. They can follow the article and if they have any questions or problems, give me a call. You know what? I am not having to worry about money. :) BTW, if you know some Linux/Unix stuff AND you are a packet-head type person, you should get into the Citrix NetScaler. As busy as us XenApp and XenDesktop people are, my NetScaler friends are buried in work and can't keep up. I know three CTPs whose businesses are BEGGING for NetScaler people. And most NetScaler work can be done remotely. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ On 2/7/12 1:30 PM, ANDREW F OFALT afo...@psu.edu wrote: I agree with this, unfortunately I find looking for a job to be a job. Not quite my passion... But I am looking for a job so my plan over the next 9 years would be to 1st 3 years - get a certification in VMware (or on any virtualized platform) and from this list it looks like a Citrix Certification would be a good addition. The next 3 year job - get a up to date certification in CCNE and MCSE. The next 3 year job - to be determined. Or insert you own views for my development at your company. I am pretty good with the basics and consider myself very knowledgeable in most... Contact me offline for the positions you want me in. Also provide the information for each 3 year period you would want me to work. Of course I expect a decent salary and significant increases when changing jobs. Even though I have been at my present job for quite a while, we have had a lot of diversification with the system admins that have gone through our network. Each one brings in his own ideas and setups, then moves on after setting up his own opinion. Then we are left to troubleshoot the problems and try to provide reliability with what was left. They bring in their own new ways so we do see different ways to do and not to do things. We are exposed. I am looking to make it in your next review cycle. Andy0 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: IOPS's calculations
Thanks for all the ideas, helps, etc. Mark From: Miller Bonnie L. [mailto:mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 7:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations When we were planning for our SAN and VM conversion/migration, the Microsoft engineer we worked with had us collect information on our servers about usage using the MAPs tool. Looks like it's still around-not sure if it would do what you need: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=7826 http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb977556.aspx If you are a Dell shop, their new dpack tool is nice too, but was still in beta when we used it a few weeks ago-not sure if they've released yet. If not, you'll have to work with your Dell engineer to get the reports generated that you would need. -Bonnie From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations The question is: I want to know what my different servers (no san, each with their own direct attached disks storage) is using (not what they are capable of, but what they are actually using/doing). Sorry if I was unclear to begin with. Mark From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:55 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Your SAN should be able to produce these numbers. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: IOPS's calculations Hi folks, Thanks for all your help in the past. Looking at setting up a SAN. From my research, I think one thing to be aware of is current IOPS (disk). There are a number of sites that will help you determine IOPS based on what hard drives (and RAID configuration). My question is: Many of my current servers are light use. The IOPS that these servers are capable of is much greater than what is actually being used. So, in order to more properly size the SAN, is there a way to determine working IOPS? That is, what is actually being used? I assume Perfmon would help, and will need to log over a period of time (I think a week would be about right, to catch most scenarios). But what counters, and how to analyze those counters? Servers are Windows 2003. Thanks. Mark Reimer, A+, MCSA Servers Networking Admin Prairie Bible Institute Box 4000 Three Hills, AB T0M-2N0 Canada Tel: 403-443-5511, Ext. 3476 Fax: 403-443-5540 Email: mark.rei...@prairie.edumailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu www.prairie.eduhttp://www.prairie.edu/ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
SSL is no panacea...
And not necessarily a lot of protection, either. Kurt -- Forwarded message -- From: Jim Ausman aus...@well.com Date: Feb 7, 2012 4:49 PM Subject: A Certificate Authority Man-in-the-middle attack corporate attack in the wild To: d...@farber.net Dave, For IP, if you wish Trustwave, a CA authority, issued a certificate that allowed the owner to issue any valid certificate to facilitate man-in-the-middle attacks on their employees. http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Trustwave-issued-a-man-in-the-middle-certificate-1429982.html They say that they used a special hardware container to ensure that this could not be used for anything other than the intended purpose, but this still indicates that a long-suspected weakness in the CA infrastructure is being exploited to eavesdrop on traffic. http://blog.spiderlabs.com/2012/02/clarifying-the-trustwave-ca-policy-update.html EFF sent out an alert about the fact that Iran was doing this a few months ago, but this is the first I have heard of a corporation doing it. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/08/iranian-man-middle-attack-against-google Cheers, Jim Archives | Modify Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT - ugh!
We tell all sales calls, especially any cold calls, that we prefer any correspondence via email. We inform them that we answer support calls for a school district, and we don't have time to discuss every vendor's product/service and the opportunities they may provide. If we like the product and we are genuinely interested, we will contact them back. Most sales people are kind enough to comply to our request. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:00:53 -0800 Subject: Re: OT - ugh! On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: I'm doing RFPs and vendor selection and all that right now, and every salesdroid I talk to wants to do the touchy-feeling in-person meeting thing. If you tell them that you don't like to be handled, they won't. A lot of sales people can turn it on and off. It surprises me how many can't turn it off. To the point where it's cost them business (i.e., calling every month just to see what's going on, no matter how many times I've told them not to). Spam delivered via telephone is still spam. Of course, many do listen, which is appreciated. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
EMC limitations?
I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a troubling limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs larger than 1.99tb. According to a post by EMC staff on their community forum, it's doe to the implementation of the SCSI II protocol. I don't know if this limitations affects its use as a NAS, but that's disturbing. My Lefthand units support larger LUNs with no problem. And, otherwise, it's performed just fine - no problems at all. Does anyone out there now if other EMC products have this limitation? Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: ASUS laptops/notepbooks
Mine has a mixed eSATA and USB3 on it. When I went to price external drives the best deal for me at the time was an eSATA enclosure. That said if the prices had been better I would have gone with a USB3 but only because it would have been backward compatible with more devices than the eSATA. Jon On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Cynicalgeek cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: It's just the next version of USB which will make it much more common than eSATA in the future. My laptop has USB3 and it's a lower-end Lenovo from last year. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: But less common from what I saw. That is why I asked. Speed does not in it self mean that was the reason for all things. Jon On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:31 AM, cynicalg...@gmail.com wrote: Usb3 is faster Sent from my iPhone On Feb 6, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: Why did you not go with an eSATA enclosure? If I may ask. Jon On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 3:47 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.comwrote: Just a generic one (Asrock I think) I picked up at a local computer shop. I have several – haven’t really noticed much difference between them performance wise. ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Sunday, 5 February 2012 3:50 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: ASUS laptops/notepbooks ** ** 128 GB SD. I didn't even know that those exist... A little checking shows that they're actually not crazy expensive, if you actually have a use case that demands one. http://www.amazon.com/Lexar-Media-Flash-Memory-LSD128CRBNA133/dp/B004SAMZW4 ** ** If you don't mind me asking, what USB3 enclosure are you using for the 512 GB SSD? ** ** On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: For running VMs I went the opposite route – Sony Z (previously a Z1, now a Z2). 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD (internal), 1920x1080 screen, Core i7, 13”, weighs about 1.2kg. Unbelievable piece of kit. I added an extra 512GB SSD (connected via USB3), so I have plenty of storage for VMs now. 128GB SD card holds installation ISOs Cheers Ken *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] *Sent:* Friday, 3 February 2012 11:47 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: ASUS laptops/notepbooks This doesn't apply to your situation, but I just bought a monster ASUS laptop to take with me on the road. I am on the road the next 2 months and possibly until July. I needed something so I could continue my writing while traveling. Core i7 quad-core w/HT, 17.3 screen, 16GB RAM and 2 500GB HDs – will run 5 VMs very well. It may run more but I only have 5 right now. This is my last day at current customer before I hit the road for 2 months and maybe 6 months. The guys here are really liking the laptop. I am sure my chiropractor will too as the monster weighs 10 lbs! Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ *From: *Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org *Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Date: *Fri, 3 Feb 2012 08:50:44 -0500 *To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Subject: *ASUS laptops/notepbooks Anyone using these in the enterprise? We currently use Dell or Lenovo laptops. Some of the ASUS models look very light, which would be good for our nomadic staff. Just wondering on long term durability, ability to image. Comments appreciated. Tom ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to
Re: Anyone Use Double-Take RecoverNow?
I believe they now have the Hyper-V support. I seem to remember hearing that at a class/marketing meeting I attended recently. They are also supposed to be System Center compliant I believe is the expression they used. Jon On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Benjamin Zachary li...@levelfive.us wrote: We are using Vmware HA/DRS 5 , and Veeam Backup and DR. We do daily backups and 4 hour snapshots to a secondary SAN. We can drill into the backups easily and drag out files or just mount from backup… ** ** We tested the exchange restore and Im not super crazy about it, but it does work … we don’t use the SQL backup because we are doing sql backups to flat files anyway … so we can restore that way. ** ** Veeam should have the HyperV version available , I would have to check my partner portal with them.. ** ** *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 1:45 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Anyone Use Double-Take RecoverNow? ** ** I'm sorry, all I hear is: Run away, run away! On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Greg Olson gol...@markettools.com wrote: Yes I use it.. opps let me re-phrase that, have a fully paid copy of the software that I’ve written off as it performed good in initial testing with just two machines, but have had nothing but issues with it going live anytime it goes over four machines. This software is basically three different products thrown together with a fourth product that attempts to manage it all, and fails miserably. For instance you create a job in the recovery console, and you should be able to go back there and check on status, or if you need to restore, run the restore from there, but you go back, and strangely the job has disappeared.. Hum, going over to the replication now software piece (separate program) and checking, it does appear to be running still. But you can’t do restores from that software so it’s off to call tech support again. Every time I want to do a restore. And it’s frustrating when you have 25 jobs setup but only 2 or 3 show up, or if there is more, they show a status of failed, but checking the other software it is running. IT’s frustrating, and we’re not renewing the software license and fighting for a full refund, but its been awhile now as we’ve been trying to get it to work, and as always the next release will fix “everything”. I’d stay far away from it until they work out the bugs (and yes I have emails from their support saying its known issues , and doesn’t work right). -Greg *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 8:05 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Anyone Use Double-Take RecoverNow? I used Double-Take until the releases of SQL Mirroring, Exchange CCR (and then DAG), and DPM. Since then, I’ve used the MSFT solutions (and refer customers to those solutions because I like having one place to point fingers). Now, when I used Double-Take, I was very pleased with it. But that experience is several years old. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 10:50 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Anyone Use Double-Take RecoverNow? Wow, nobody. I thought for sure with as many folks we have posting here there must be a few running that software. On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 4:25 PM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote:** ** If so, how do you like it? Does it work as advertised? Any gotchas I should know about? Thanks, James ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here:
Re: OT - ugh!
I would suggest you get the first one of those two on the to do list. I can't comment much on the second as that is my major problem as well. Jon On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:28 PM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: I did give some thought to that, it's on my to-do list right next to build a decent lab and try to stop eating as much rich food On 7 February 2012 19:17, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: I will suggest you invest in your own domain name. (You can still use blogspot). It's pretty cheap, it also makes things more portable and later, you can use it for your email should you go independant and not lose the existing work or your 'identity branding'. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:39 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.comwrote: Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem to be enjoying it! Good call. Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker for the title for my blog. Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com Cheers, JR On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: PLEASE DO. I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a LOT of options. Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 + To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO) Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird -- *From: *Webster webs...@carlwebster.com *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:35:57 + *To: *NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *ReplyTo: *NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh! I will have to give MBS 100% credit. He bugged, pestered, annoyed and prodded me until I started writing. Once I started writing, people started reading. Once people started reading, I gained a name in the Citrix space. Once I got a name, I was honored with the CTP. Once I got the CTP, I was instantly in a really nice network of extremely smart people. I initially balked at the idea of going solo because just how much Citrix work can there possibly be out there? And besides, who in the world would hire me! to do anything? All my work comes thru my web site, Experts Exchange, fellow CTP, LinkedIn, Dice and word-of-mouth. Share your knowledge (even if like me you don't think you have anything to share) with the community and you may be surprised at what opens up for you. If you decide to go the writing route (which I strongly encourage you to do), be prepared to receive a bunch or criticism for what you share. Only those who stick their neck out and share, get recognized. I recommend you read the book, The Nomadic Developer. Wherever you see the word developer in the book, insert your title of choice (Network Admin, Network Engineer, Network Consultant, Systems Analyst, etc). I estimate I turn down 3 FTEs a week, and probably that many work offers every week. I can't possibly get to all the Citrix work that comes my way or all the AD work the Citrix world is throwing my way. I know rates depend on the area of the country you are in and I thought MBS was nuts when he told me to up my rate, but I charge $150/hr plus expenses and have had no one (but contracting agencies) complain. As busy as I am, maybe I need to up my rates again! :) Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ From: Don Kuhlman drkuhl...@yahoo.com Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:01:12 -0800 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: OT - ugh! This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched on, do any of our successful entrepreneurs care to share how you got your own thing going? For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website, contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)? Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get going. I'm thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on clients for ongoing support, and then things spread through word of mouth, or how did you keep an income stream coming in at the beginning? Don K ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To
RE: EMC limitations?
I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited to that. http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf Thanks, Mathew -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: EMC limitations? I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a troubling limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs larger than 1.99tb. According to a post by EMC staff on their community forum, it's doe to the implementation of the SCSI II protocol. I don't know if this limitations affects its use as a NAS, but that's disturbing. My Lefthand units support larger LUNs with no problem. And, otherwise, it's performed just fine - no problems at all. Does anyone out there now if other EMC products have this limitation? Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: OT - ugh!
I agree totally. Right now about 80% of the IT work I do is on a volunteer basis, for a medium-sized private school. I love the work and enjoy knowing that I'm helping to fill a position that would otherwise detract from the teachers' salaries or maybe not be filled at all. I also have enough side work to keep the bills paid for now. :) Mike If you get into anything just for the money, you will not make it. And it by chance you do make it, you will not be happy. I give away a lot of time and info for free (as I know MBS, ASB and BD do). I have actually told prospects that I have an article written that covers the work they want me to do. They can follow the article and if they have any questions or problems, give me a call. -Original Message- From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 6:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT - ugh! If you get into anything just for the money, you will not make it. And it by chance you do make it, you will not be happy. I give away a lot of time and info for free (as I know MBS, ASB and BD do). I have actually told prospects that I have an article written that covers the work they want me to do. They can follow the article and if they have any questions or problems, give me a call. You know what? I am not having to worry about money. :) BTW, if you know some Linux/Unix stuff AND you are a packet-head type person, you should get into the Citrix NetScaler. As busy as us XenApp and XenDesktop people are, my NetScaler friends are buried in work and can't keep up. I know three CTPs whose businesses are BEGGING for NetScaler people. And most NetScaler work can be done remotely. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ On 2/7/12 1:30 PM, ANDREW F OFALT afo...@psu.edu wrote: I agree with this, unfortunately I find looking for a job to be a job. Not quite my passion... But I am looking for a job so my plan over the next 9 years would be to 1st 3 years - get a certification in VMware (or on any virtualized platform) and from this list it looks like a Citrix Certification would be a good addition. The next 3 year job - get a up to date certification in CCNE and MCSE. The next 3 year job - to be determined. Or insert you own views for my development at your company. I am pretty good with the basics and consider myself very knowledgeable in most... Contact me offline for the positions you want me in. Also provide the information for each 3 year period you would want me to work. Of course I expect a decent salary and significant increases when changing jobs. Even though I have been at my present job for quite a while, we have had a lot of diversification with the system admins that have gone through our network. Each one brings in his own ideas and setups, then moves on after setting up his own opinion. Then we are left to troubleshoot the problems and try to provide reliability with what was left. They bring in their own new ways so we do see different ways to do and not to do things. We are exposed. I am looking to make it in your next review cycle. Andy0 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: OT - ugh!
Indeed. One of my wife's friends was that way. We would go somewhere just to hang out and the pitch would eventually happen. Some can't help themselves especially if you happen to work for a large company. Luckily my job keeps me away from my desk phone. ;-) -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT - ugh! On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: I'm doing RFPs and vendor selection and all that right now, and every salesdroid I talk to wants to do the touchy-feeling in-person meeting thing. If you tell them that you don't like to be handled, they won't. A lot of sales people can turn it on and off. It surprises me how many can't turn it off. To the point where it's cost them business (i.e., calling every month just to see what's going on, no matter how many times I've told them not to). Spam delivered via telephone is still spam. Of course, many do listen, which is appreciated. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: EMC limitations?
I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3 protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC is marketing it as an entry level all-in-one storage solution. They need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models supported SCSI 3. - Sean On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember mathew.shem...@synopsys.com wrote: I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited to that. http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf Thanks, Mathew -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: EMC limitations? I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a troubling limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs larger than 1.99tb. According to a post by EMC staff on their community forum, it's doe to the implementation of the SCSI II protocol. I don't know if this limitations affects its use as a NAS, but that's disturbing. My Lefthand units support larger LUNs with no problem. And, otherwise, it's performed just fine - no problems at all. Does anyone out there now if other EMC products have this limitation? Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: EMC limitations?
If true, it would have been nice of them to disclose that before purchase, methinks... Kurt On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:04, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3 protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC is marketing it as an entry level all-in-one storage solution. They need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models supported SCSI 3. - Sean On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember mathew.shem...@synopsys.com wrote: I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited to that. http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf Thanks, Mathew -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: EMC limitations? I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a troubling limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs larger than 1.99tb. According to a post by EMC staff on their community forum, it's doe to the implementation of the SCSI II protocol. I don't know if this limitations affects its use as a NAS, but that's disturbing. My Lefthand units support larger LUNs with no problem. And, otherwise, it's performed just fine - no problems at all. Does anyone out there now if other EMC products have this limitation? Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: EMC limitations?
Well this is one of those scenarios where I think the customer needs to take responsibility. A good practice to get into is the creation of technical requirement matrices and business requirement matrices. It helps you put on paper what capabilities you need in a solution and gives the vendor a uniform method of informing you of the strengths and weaknesses of their platform. We typically tier our requirements into 3 categories that allows us to weigh the importance of features. For example, a tier 1 requirement might be that the solution support fiber channel or iscsi where a tier 2 or 3 requirement might be support for sub-lun tiering or a 64bit OS to leverage larger cache. It may be too little too late but I'd be happy to share the template we used for our last storage purchase. - Sean On Feb 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: If true, it would have been nice of them to disclose that before purchase, methinks... Kurt On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:04, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3 protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC is marketing it as an entry level all-in-one storage solution. They need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models supported SCSI 3. - Sean On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember mathew.shem...@synopsys.com wrote: I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited to that. http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf Thanks, Mathew -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: EMC limitations? I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a troubling limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs larger than 1.99tb. According to a post by EMC staff on their community forum, it's doe to the implementation of the SCSI II protocol. I don't know if this limitations affects its use as a NAS, but that's disturbing. My Lefthand units support larger LUNs with no problem. And, otherwise, it's performed just fine - no problems at all. Does anyone out there now if other EMC products have this limitation? Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: EMC limitations?
Precisely... * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3 protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC is marketing it as an entry level all-in-one storage solution. They need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models supported SCSI 3. - Sean On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember mathew.shem...@synopsys.com wrote: I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited to that. http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf Thanks, Mathew -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: EMC limitations? I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a troubling limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs larger than 1.99tb. According to a post by EMC staff on their community forum, it's doe to the implementation of the SCSI II protocol. I don't know if this limitations affects its use as a NAS, but that's disturbing. My Lefthand units support larger LUNs with no problem. And, otherwise, it's performed just fine - no problems at all. Does anyone out there now if other EMC products have this limitation? Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: EMC limitations?
I agree, but only partially. There are some things that are hard to figure out in advance, because they are not limitations anywhere else, so you wouldn't be inclined to ask. About 8 or 9 months ago, we evaluated several SAN solutions, and the EMC people came prepared to sell us a VNXe 3100 or 3300. We grilled them and ultimately decided against them because of other limitations vs some other vendor solutions we were targeting, but despite us telling them what we were going to use the storage for, the maximum LUN size never came up. It's now added to my checklist, of course... * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is one of those scenarios where I think the customer needs to take responsibility. A good practice to get into is the creation of technical requirement matrices and business requirement matrices. It helps you put on paper what capabilities you need in a solution and gives the vendor a uniform method of informing you of the strengths and weaknesses of their platform. We typically tier our requirements into 3 categories that allows us to weigh the importance of features. For example, a tier 1 requirement might be that the solution support fiber channel or iscsi where a tier 2 or 3 requirement might be support for sub-lun tiering or a 64bit OS to leverage larger cache. It may be too little too late but I'd be happy to share the template we used for our last storage purchase. - Sean On Feb 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: If true, it would have been nice of them to disclose that before purchase, methinks... Kurt On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:04, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3 protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC is marketing it as an entry level all-in-one storage solution. They need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models supported SCSI 3. - Sean On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember mathew.shem...@synopsys.com wrote: I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited to that. http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf Thanks, Mathew -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: EMC limitations? I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a troubling limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs larger than 1.99tb. According to a post by EMC staff on their community forum, it's doe to the implementation of the SCSI II protocol. I don't know if this limitations affects its use as a NAS, but that's disturbing. My Lefthand units support larger LUNs with no problem. And, otherwise, it's performed just fine - no problems at all. Does anyone out there now if other EMC products have this limitation? Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: EMC limitations?
I can certainly appreciate that. We've only been able to construct an in-depth requirements matrix because of the collective experience of our staff. With that said, some of what we gathered was a result of reading white papers and searching the interwebs for examples of storage related matrices. I guess the real trick is recognizing when you don't know what to ask for. I've had my battles with vendors and wanted to place blame for not being completely forth coming, but you've got to realize that they're trying to sell you a product and that's how they make a living. Now if you ask about possible limitations and they either give you half truths or down right lie, than you have every right to be upset. Following common RFI/RFP processes will help reduce the chances of that occurring. - Sean On Feb 7, 2012, at 5:54 PM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, but only partially. There are some things that are hard to figure out in advance, because they are not limitations anywhere else, so you wouldn't be inclined to ask. About 8 or 9 months ago, we evaluated several SAN solutions, and the EMC people came prepared to sell us a VNXe 3100 or 3300. We grilled them and ultimately decided against them because of other limitations vs some other vendor solutions we were targeting, but despite us telling them what we were going to use the storage for, the maximum LUN size never came up. It's now added to my checklist, of course... ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is one of those scenarios where I think the customer needs to take responsibility. A good practice to get into is the creation of technical requirement matrices and business requirement matrices. It helps you put on paper what capabilities you need in a solution and gives the vendor a uniform method of informing you of the strengths and weaknesses of their platform. We typically tier our requirements into 3 categories that allows us to weigh the importance of features. For example, a tier 1 requirement might be that the solution support fiber channel or iscsi where a tier 2 or 3 requirement might be support for sub-lun tiering or a 64bit OS to leverage larger cache. It may be too little too late but I'd be happy to share the template we used for our last storage purchase. - Sean On Feb 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: If true, it would have been nice of them to disclose that before purchase, methinks... Kurt On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:04, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3 protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC is marketing it as an entry level all-in-one storage solution. They need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models supported SCSI 3. - Sean On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember mathew.shem...@synopsys.com wrote: I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited to that. http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf Thanks, Mathew -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: EMC limitations? I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a troubling limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs larger than 1.99tb. According to a post by EMC staff on their community forum, it's doe to the implementation of the SCSI II protocol. I don't know if this limitations affects its use as a NAS, but that's disturbing. My Lefthand units support larger LUNs with no problem. And, otherwise, it's performed just fine - no problems at all. Does anyone out there now if other EMC products have this limitation? Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
Re: EMC limitations?
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a troubling limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs larger than 1.99tb. Find out what other ways can you use it (other than iSCSI), and what the limits are then. That information may be helpful. According to a post by EMC staff on their community forum, it's doe to the implementation of the SCSI II protocol. I've been digging around trying to find a concise, authoritative, single-location answer to this. Not having much luck satisfying all of those conditions. But if I'm interpreting the SCSI-2 specification correctly, the biggest command block defined has a 32-bit LBA field. As such, you're limited to 2^32 blocks of storage. Given the typical block size of 512 bytes, that works out to 2^41 bytes, or exactly 2 TiB. So there may be some validity to what they're saying. Of course, the SCSI-2 specification was published in 1994, almost twenty years ago, so one has to ask why they're using such an old document. Other block sizes (bigger than 512 bytes) are perfectly acceptable to SCSI -- even SCSI-2. So one could get larger capacities by increasing the block size. EMC would have to implement that, of course. I also don't know if such a block size would be acceptable to the Windows iSCSI stack. Later SCSI specs defined still larger command blocks, with 64-bit LBAs. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: EMC limitations?
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3 protocol which would not have that limitation. It's prolly worth noting that there is no actual specification document called SCSI-3. SCSI-2 was the last simple SCSI standard. After that, it was broken up into a family of standards. I believe the relevant spec here is SBC, SCSI Block Commands, currently at SBC-2. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: EMC limitations?
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: It may be too little too late but I'd be happy to share the template we used for our last storage purchase. I, for one, would love to see that document. Both because I'll prolly be spec'ing SAN stuff within a year or two, and for the general model you use. So if you're offering, I'd like to take you up on it, please. :) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: SSL is no panacea...
The problem is not with SSL, but with the centralized CA model... many or all of those CAs simply aren't as trustworthy as one might like to believe. Regardless, this is foul, foul stuff, issuing an any-purpose cert to a third party for snooping on their employees. Normally in this kind of police-state company environment, the organization sets up its own CA and propagates its cert to devices. But MITM'ing with the help of a CA in the common trust list... ugh. I'd note that Chrome is resistant to this sort of chicanery, with the ability to tie domains to certain issuers. E.g., Chrome can reject an otherwise verifiable and valid cert for google.com if it's not from a very restricted set of signers. --Steve On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: And not necessarily a lot of protection, either. Kurt -- Forwarded message -- From: Jim Ausman aus...@well.com Date: Feb 7, 2012 4:49 PM Subject: A Certificate Authority Man-in-the-middle attack corporate attack in the wild To: d...@farber.net Dave, For IP, if you wish Trustwave, a CA authority, issued a certificate that allowed the owner to issue any valid certificate to facilitate man-in-the-middle attacks on their employees. http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Trustwave-issued-a-man-in-the-middle-certificate-1429982.html They say that they used a special hardware container to ensure that this could not be used for anything other than the intended purpose, but this still indicates that a long-suspected weakness in the CA infrastructure is being exploited to eavesdrop on traffic. http://blog.spiderlabs.com/2012/02/clarifying-the-trustwave-ca-policy-update.html EFF sent out an alert about the fact that Iran was doing this a few months ago, but this is the first I have heard of a corporation doing it. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/08/iranian-man-middle-attack-against-google Cheers, Jim Archives | Modify Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: EMC limitations?
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:10, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is one of those scenarios where I think the customer needs to take responsibility. A good practice to get into is the creation of technical requirement matrices and business requirement matrices. It helps you put on paper what capabilities you need in a solution and gives the vendor a uniform method of informing you of the strengths and weaknesses of their platform. We typically tier our requirements into 3 categories that allows us to weigh the importance of features. For example, a tier 1 requirement might be that the solution support fiber channel or iscsi where a tier 2 or 3 requirement might be support for sub-lun tiering or a 64bit OS to leverage larger cache. This is EMC for crying out loud - arguably the leader in the field, and it's a software issue. We're not talking about going with lesser hardware, which can steeply influence the costs. As well, I was given to understand that this is a relatively new line for them. They have the software in hand, and my 4 year old Lefthands don't have this limitation. I do place this 99% on them (split in some fashion between EMC and the reseller). I'll hand the 1% to my manager, who had used them before, doesn't like the Lefthands, and trusted the reseller rep he's worked with at his prior company. I was given no say in the matter - I suggested another LH unit. It may be too little too late but I'd be happy to share the template we used for our last storage purchase. That might actually be a nice thing - we might not technically outgrow the unit, as it can stack a huge number of disks, but I don't see us doing a whole lot more with it, given that limitation, and the other that raised my dander. - Sean On Feb 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: If true, it would have been nice of them to disclose that before purchase, methinks... Kurt On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:04, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3 protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC is marketing it as an entry level all-in-one storage solution. They need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models supported SCSI 3. - Sean On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember mathew.shem...@synopsys.com wrote: I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited to that. http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf Thanks, Mathew -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: EMC limitations? I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a troubling limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs larger than 1.99tb. According to a post by EMC staff on their community forum, it's doe to the implementation of the SCSI II protocol. I don't know if this limitations affects its use as a NAS, but that's disturbing. My Lefthand units support larger LUNs with no problem. And, otherwise, it's performed just fine - no problems at all. Does anyone out there now if other EMC products have this limitation? Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here:
Re: EMC limitations?
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 19:34, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a troubling limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs larger than 1.99tb. Find out what other ways can you use it (other than iSCSI), and what the limits are then. That information may be helpful. It does SAN, but I quite leery about it. I asked the reseller directly about the limitations of their implementation for file/directory path length (I've been stung by that before...), and never got an answer. It does NFS, too - but we have no use for that - we're strictly a Windows shop - except where I can sneak in a FreeBSD box for sysadmin tasks... According to a post by EMC staff on their community forum, it's doe to the implementation of the SCSI II protocol. I've been digging around trying to find a concise, authoritative, single-location answer to this. Not having much luck satisfying all of those conditions. But if I'm interpreting the SCSI-2 specification correctly, the biggest command block defined has a 32-bit LBA field. As such, you're limited to 2^32 blocks of storage. Given the typical block size of 512 bytes, that works out to 2^41 bytes, or exactly 2 TiB. So there may be some validity to what they're saying. Of course, the SCSI-2 specification was published in 1994, almost twenty years ago, so one has to ask why they're using such an old document. Other block sizes (bigger than 512 bytes) are perfectly acceptable to SCSI -- even SCSI-2. So one could get larger capacities by increasing the block size. EMC would have to implement that, of course. I also don't know if such a block size would be acceptable to the Windows iSCSI stack. Later SCSI specs defined still larger command blocks, with 64-bit LBAs. And, that's part of the reason I asked - if this unit's bigger brethren can handle studly GPT volumes as well as Win2k3 can, then it's truly a bad decision to hold back on it for market differentiation. Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: SSL is no panacea...
You are correct on the problem with the model, but nobody yet has come up with a workable alternate model for general use. I know there is some work going on, but it's definitely not mature. Kurt On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 20:05, Steve Kradel skra...@zetetic.net wrote: The problem is not with SSL, but with the centralized CA model... many or all of those CAs simply aren't as trustworthy as one might like to believe. Regardless, this is foul, foul stuff, issuing an any-purpose cert to a third party for snooping on their employees. Normally in this kind of police-state company environment, the organization sets up its own CA and propagates its cert to devices. But MITM'ing with the help of a CA in the common trust list... ugh. I'd note that Chrome is resistant to this sort of chicanery, with the ability to tie domains to certain issuers. E.g., Chrome can reject an otherwise verifiable and valid cert for google.com if it's not from a very restricted set of signers. --Steve On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: And not necessarily a lot of protection, either. Kurt -- Forwarded message -- From: Jim Ausman aus...@well.com Date: Feb 7, 2012 4:49 PM Subject: A Certificate Authority Man-in-the-middle attack corporate attack in the wild To: d...@farber.net Dave, For IP, if you wish Trustwave, a CA authority, issued a certificate that allowed the owner to issue any valid certificate to facilitate man-in-the-middle attacks on their employees. http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Trustwave-issued-a-man-in-the-middle-certificate-1429982.html They say that they used a special hardware container to ensure that this could not be used for anything other than the intended purpose, but this still indicates that a long-suspected weakness in the CA infrastructure is being exploited to eavesdrop on traffic. http://blog.spiderlabs.com/2012/02/clarifying-the-trustwave-ca-policy-update.html EFF sent out an alert about the fact that Iran was doing this a few months ago, but this is the first I have heard of a corporation doing it. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/08/iranian-man-middle-attack-against-google Cheers, Jim Archives | Modify Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: EMC limitations?
I certainly didn't mean to offend you nor do I blame you for being frustrated. It's just that companies aren't going to list their lack of functionality for all to see. What you're running into is not necessarily an issue, but rather a limitation. Now a good reseller would have done a better job of trying to identify your requirements and then used those to pitch a higher-end solution (if justified). I'm assuming Lyris won't allow attachments so I'm forwarding the template to those that expressed interest individually. - Sean On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:10, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is one of those scenarios where I think the customer needs to take responsibility. A good practice to get into is the creation of technical requirement matrices and business requirement matrices. It helps you put on paper what capabilities you need in a solution and gives the vendor a uniform method of informing you of the strengths and weaknesses of their platform. We typically tier our requirements into 3 categories that allows us to weigh the importance of features. For example, a tier 1 requirement might be that the solution support fiber channel or iscsi where a tier 2 or 3 requirement might be support for sub-lun tiering or a 64bit OS to leverage larger cache. This is EMC for crying out loud - arguably the leader in the field, and it's a software issue. We're not talking about going with lesser hardware, which can steeply influence the costs. As well, I was given to understand that this is a relatively new line for them. They have the software in hand, and my 4 year old Lefthands don't have this limitation. I do place this 99% on them (split in some fashion between EMC and the reseller). I'll hand the 1% to my manager, who had used them before, doesn't like the Lefthands, and trusted the reseller rep he's worked with at his prior company. I was given no say in the matter - I suggested another LH unit. It may be too little too late but I'd be happy to share the template we used for our last storage purchase. That might actually be a nice thing - we might not technically outgrow the unit, as it can stack a huge number of disks, but I don't see us doing a whole lot more with it, given that limitation, and the other that raised my dander. - Sean On Feb 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: If true, it would have been nice of them to disclose that before purchase, methinks... Kurt On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:04, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3 protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC is marketing it as an entry level all-in-one storage solution. They need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models supported SCSI 3. - Sean On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember mathew.shem...@synopsys.com wrote: I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited to that. http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf Thanks, Mathew -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: EMC limitations? I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a troubling limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs larger than 1.99tb. According to a post by EMC staff on their community forum, it's doe to the implementation of the SCSI II protocol. I don't know if this limitations affects its use as a NAS, but that's disturbing. My Lefthand units support larger LUNs with no problem. And, otherwise, it's performed just fine - no problems at all. Does anyone out there now if other EMC products have this limitation? Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage
Re: EMC limitations?
No offense taken, and none meant on my part either - just some disagreement spiced a bit too heavily with the frustration. I do understand that caveat emptor applies, and that it would have been better if we'd done more research, but that bit of misdirection on their part was just a bit rich... Kurt On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 22:30, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: I certainly didn't mean to offend you nor do I blame you for being frustrated. It's just that companies aren't going to list their lack of functionality for all to see. What you're running into is not necessarily an issue, but rather a limitation. Now a good reseller would have done a better job of trying to identify your requirements and then used those to pitch a higher-end solution (if justified). I'm assuming Lyris won't allow attachments so I'm forwarding the template to those that expressed interest individually. - Sean On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:10, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is one of those scenarios where I think the customer needs to take responsibility. A good practice to get into is the creation of technical requirement matrices and business requirement matrices. It helps you put on paper what capabilities you need in a solution and gives the vendor a uniform method of informing you of the strengths and weaknesses of their platform. We typically tier our requirements into 3 categories that allows us to weigh the importance of features. For example, a tier 1 requirement might be that the solution support fiber channel or iscsi where a tier 2 or 3 requirement might be support for sub-lun tiering or a 64bit OS to leverage larger cache. This is EMC for crying out loud - arguably the leader in the field, and it's a software issue. We're not talking about going with lesser hardware, which can steeply influence the costs. As well, I was given to understand that this is a relatively new line for them. They have the software in hand, and my 4 year old Lefthands don't have this limitation. I do place this 99% on them (split in some fashion between EMC and the reseller). I'll hand the 1% to my manager, who had used them before, doesn't like the Lefthands, and trusted the reseller rep he's worked with at his prior company. I was given no say in the matter - I suggested another LH unit. It may be too little too late but I'd be happy to share the template we used for our last storage purchase. That might actually be a nice thing - we might not technically outgrow the unit, as it can stack a huge number of disks, but I don't see us doing a whole lot more with it, given that limitation, and the other that raised my dander. - Sean On Feb 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: If true, it would have been nice of them to disclose that before purchase, methinks... Kurt On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:04, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3 protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC is marketing it as an entry level all-in-one storage solution. They need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models supported SCSI 3. - Sean On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember mathew.shem...@synopsys.com wrote: I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited to that. http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf Thanks, Mathew -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: EMC limitations? I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a troubling limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs larger than 1.99tb. According to a post by EMC staff on their community forum, it's doe to the implementation of the SCSI II protocol. I don't know if this limitations affects its use as a NAS, but that's disturbing. My Lefthand units support larger LUNs with no problem. And, otherwise, it's performed just fine - no problems at all. Does anyone out there now if other EMC products have this limitation? Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
Re: EMC limitations?
I forwarded the template as requested. I should add that the template provided was what we used to capture all responses. We didn't share the responses between vendors. - Sean On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: I certainly didn't mean to offend you nor do I blame you for being frustrated. It's just that companies aren't going to list their lack of functionality for all to see. What you're running into is not necessarily an issue, but rather a limitation. Now a good reseller would have done a better job of trying to identify your requirements and then used those to pitch a higher-end solution (if justified). I'm assuming Lyris won't allow attachments so I'm forwarding the template to those that expressed interest individually. - Sean On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:10, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is one of those scenarios where I think the customer needs to take responsibility. A good practice to get into is the creation of technical requirement matrices and business requirement matrices. It helps you put on paper what capabilities you need in a solution and gives the vendor a uniform method of informing you of the strengths and weaknesses of their platform. We typically tier our requirements into 3 categories that allows us to weigh the importance of features. For example, a tier 1 requirement might be that the solution support fiber channel or iscsi where a tier 2 or 3 requirement might be support for sub-lun tiering or a 64bit OS to leverage larger cache. This is EMC for crying out loud - arguably the leader in the field, and it's a software issue. We're not talking about going with lesser hardware, which can steeply influence the costs. As well, I was given to understand that this is a relatively new line for them. They have the software in hand, and my 4 year old Lefthands don't have this limitation. I do place this 99% on them (split in some fashion between EMC and the reseller). I'll hand the 1% to my manager, who had used them before, doesn't like the Lefthands, and trusted the reseller rep he's worked with at his prior company. I was given no say in the matter - I suggested another LH unit. It may be too little too late but I'd be happy to share the template we used for our last storage purchase. That might actually be a nice thing - we might not technically outgrow the unit, as it can stack a huge number of disks, but I don't see us doing a whole lot more with it, given that limitation, and the other that raised my dander. - Sean On Feb 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: If true, it would have been nice of them to disclose that before purchase, methinks... Kurt On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:04, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3 protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC is marketing it as an entry level all-in-one storage solution. They need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models supported SCSI 3. - Sean On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember mathew.shem...@synopsys.com wrote: I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited to that. http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf Thanks, Mathew -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: EMC limitations? I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a troubling limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs larger than 1.99tb. According to a post by EMC staff on their community forum, it's doe to the implementation of the SCSI II protocol. I don't know if this limitations affects its use as a NAS, but that's disturbing. My Lefthand units support larger LUNs with no problem. And, otherwise, it's performed just fine - no problems at all. Does anyone out there now if other EMC products have this limitation? Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or
Re: EMC limitations?
Me too, please. (For the template - Not the broken SAN.) :) On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: I certainly didn't mean to offend you nor do I blame you for being frustrated. It's just that companies aren't going to list their lack of functionality for all to see. What you're running into is not necessarily an issue, but rather a limitation. Now a good reseller would have done a better job of trying to identify your requirements and then used those to pitch a higher-end solution (if justified). I'm assuming Lyris won't allow attachments so I'm forwarding the template to those that expressed interest individually. - Sean On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:10, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is one of those scenarios where I think the customer needs to take responsibility. A good practice to get into is the creation of technical requirement matrices and business requirement matrices. It helps you put on paper what capabilities you need in a solution and gives the vendor a uniform method of informing you of the strengths and weaknesses of their platform. We typically tier our requirements into 3 categories that allows us to weigh the importance of features. For example, a tier 1 requirement might be that the solution support fiber channel or iscsi where a tier 2 or 3 requirement might be support for sub-lun tiering or a 64bit OS to leverage larger cache. This is EMC for crying out loud - arguably the leader in the field, and it's a software issue. We're not talking about going with lesser hardware, which can steeply influence the costs. As well, I was given to understand that this is a relatively new line for them. They have the software in hand, and my 4 year old Lefthands don't have this limitation. I do place this 99% on them (split in some fashion between EMC and the reseller). I'll hand the 1% to my manager, who had used them before, doesn't like the Lefthands, and trusted the reseller rep he's worked with at his prior company. I was given no say in the matter - I suggested another LH unit. It may be too little too late but I'd be happy to share the template we used for our last storage purchase. That might actually be a nice thing - we might not technically outgrow the unit, as it can stack a huge number of disks, but I don't see us doing a whole lot more with it, given that limitation, and the other that raised my dander. - Sean On Feb 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: If true, it would have been nice of them to disclose that before purchase, methinks... Kurt On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:04, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3 protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC is marketing it as an entry level all-in-one storage solution. They need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models supported SCSI 3. - Sean On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember mathew.shem...@synopsys.com wrote: I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited to that. http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf Thanks, Mathew -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: EMC limitations? I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a troubling limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs larger than 1.99tb. According to a post by EMC staff on their community forum, it's doe to the implementation of the SCSI II protocol. I don't know if this limitations affects its use as a NAS, but that's disturbing. My Lefthand units support larger LUNs with no problem. And, otherwise, it's performed just fine - no problems at all. Does anyone out there now if other EMC products have this limitation? Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally,
Re: EMC limitations?
Understood. Out of curiousity, did you look into any other solutions other than VNX and LeftHand? And, to respond to your comment about never outgrowing the unit, expect the unexpected. I never thought we would outgrow the capabilities of the two CX700s arrays we implemented in our first SAN solution. Six years later I'm retiring both of those, two Celerra NAS gateways and a CX4-960. All the while deploying six new Compellent arrays, 3 EqualLogics with FS7500 NAS Heads and working on a recommendation for a purpose built Tier 1 solution. - Sean On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: No offense taken, and none meant on my part either - just some disagreement spiced a bit too heavily with the frustration. I do understand that caveat emptor applies, and that it would have been better if we'd done more research, but that bit of misdirection on their part was just a bit rich... Kurt On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 22:30, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: I certainly didn't mean to offend you nor do I blame you for being frustrated. It's just that companies aren't going to list their lack of functionality for all to see. What you're running into is not necessarily an issue, but rather a limitation. Now a good reseller would have done a better job of trying to identify your requirements and then used those to pitch a higher-end solution (if justified). I'm assuming Lyris won't allow attachments so I'm forwarding the template to those that expressed interest individually. - Sean On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:10, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is one of those scenarios where I think the customer needs to take responsibility. A good practice to get into is the creation of technical requirement matrices and business requirement matrices. It helps you put on paper what capabilities you need in a solution and gives the vendor a uniform method of informing you of the strengths and weaknesses of their platform. We typically tier our requirements into 3 categories that allows us to weigh the importance of features. For example, a tier 1 requirement might be that the solution support fiber channel or iscsi where a tier 2 or 3 requirement might be support for sub-lun tiering or a 64bit OS to leverage larger cache. This is EMC for crying out loud - arguably the leader in the field, and it's a software issue. We're not talking about going with lesser hardware, which can steeply influence the costs. As well, I was given to understand that this is a relatively new line for them. They have the software in hand, and my 4 year old Lefthands don't have this limitation. I do place this 99% on them (split in some fashion between EMC and the reseller). I'll hand the 1% to my manager, who had used them before, doesn't like the Lefthands, and trusted the reseller rep he's worked with at his prior company. I was given no say in the matter - I suggested another LH unit. It may be too little too late but I'd be happy to share the template we used for our last storage purchase. That might actually be a nice thing - we might not technically outgrow the unit, as it can stack a huge number of disks, but I don't see us doing a whole lot more with it, given that limitation, and the other that raised my dander. - Sean On Feb 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: If true, it would have been nice of them to disclose that before purchase, methinks... Kurt On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:04, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3 protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC is marketing it as an entry level all-in-one storage solution. They need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models supported SCSI 3. - Sean On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember mathew.shem...@synopsys.com wrote: I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited to that. http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf Thanks, Mathew -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: EMC limitations? I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a troubling limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs larger than 1.99tb. According to a post by EMC staff on their community forum, it's doe to the implementation of the SCSI II
RE: EMC limitations?
Me three please. Thank you! From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: EMC limitations? Me too, please. (For the template - Not the broken SAN.) :) On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.commailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: I certainly didn't mean to offend you nor do I blame you for being frustrated. It's just that companies aren't going to list their lack of functionality for all to see. What you're running into is not necessarily an issue, but rather a limitation. Now a good reseller would have done a better job of trying to identify your requirements and then used those to pitch a higher-end solution (if justified). I'm assuming Lyris won't allow attachments so I'm forwarding the template to those that expressed interest individually. - Sean On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:10, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.commailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is one of those scenarios where I think the customer needs to take responsibility. A good practice to get into is the creation of technical requirement matrices and business requirement matrices. It helps you put on paper what capabilities you need in a solution and gives the vendor a uniform method of informing you of the strengths and weaknesses of their platform. We typically tier our requirements into 3 categories that allows us to weigh the importance of features. For example, a tier 1 requirement might be that the solution support fiber channel or iscsi where a tier 2 or 3 requirement might be support for sub-lun tiering or a 64bit OS to leverage larger cache. This is EMC for crying out loud - arguably the leader in the field, and it's a software issue. We're not talking about going with lesser hardware, which can steeply influence the costs. As well, I was given to understand that this is a relatively new line for them. They have the software in hand, and my 4 year old Lefthands don't have this limitation. I do place this 99% on them (split in some fashion between EMC and the reseller). I'll hand the 1% to my manager, who had used them before, doesn't like the Lefthands, and trusted the reseller rep he's worked with at his prior company. I was given no say in the matter - I suggested another LH unit. It may be too little too late but I'd be happy to share the template we used for our last storage purchase. That might actually be a nice thing - we might not technically outgrow the unit, as it can stack a huge number of disks, but I don't see us doing a whole lot more with it, given that limitation, and the other that raised my dander. - Sean On Feb 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: If true, it would have been nice of them to disclose that before purchase, methinks... Kurt On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:04, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.commailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3 protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC is marketing it as an entry level all-in-one storage solution. They need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models supported SCSI 3. - Sean On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember mathew.shem...@synopsys.commailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com wrote: I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited to that. http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf Thanks, Mathew -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: EMC limitations? I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a troubling limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs larger than 1.99tb. According to a post by EMC staff on their community forum, it's doe to the implementation of the SCSI II protocol. I don't know if this limitations affects its use as a NAS, but that's disturbing. My Lefthand units support larger LUNs with no problem. And, otherwise, it's performed just fine - no problems at all. Does anyone out there now if other EMC products have this limitation? Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally,
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I wanted to stay with LH, given that I liked it so much, and that growing that solution is so easy, and management is just as easy - we have three units, and adding a fourth would have been a no-brainier. Manager had experience with EMC in his previous company and didn't want to look at anything else, so the LH is basically an orphan now. Kurt On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 22:50, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Understood. Out of curiousity, did you look into any other solutions other than VNX and LeftHand? And, to respond to your comment about never outgrowing the unit, expect the unexpected. I never thought we would outgrow the capabilities of the two CX700s arrays we implemented in our first SAN solution. Six years later I'm retiring both of those, two Celerra NAS gateways and a CX4-960. All the while deploying six new Compellent arrays, 3 EqualLogics with FS7500 NAS Heads and working on a recommendation for a purpose built Tier 1 solution. - Sean On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: No offense taken, and none meant on my part either - just some disagreement spiced a bit too heavily with the frustration. I do understand that caveat emptor applies, and that it would have been better if we'd done more research, but that bit of misdirection on their part was just a bit rich... Kurt On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 22:30, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: I certainly didn't mean to offend you nor do I blame you for being frustrated. It's just that companies aren't going to list their lack of functionality for all to see. What you're running into is not necessarily an issue, but rather a limitation. Now a good reseller would have done a better job of trying to identify your requirements and then used those to pitch a higher-end solution (if justified). I'm assuming Lyris won't allow attachments so I'm forwarding the template to those that expressed interest individually. - Sean On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:10, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is one of those scenarios where I think the customer needs to take responsibility. A good practice to get into is the creation of technical requirement matrices and business requirement matrices. It helps you put on paper what capabilities you need in a solution and gives the vendor a uniform method of informing you of the strengths and weaknesses of their platform. We typically tier our requirements into 3 categories that allows us to weigh the importance of features. For example, a tier 1 requirement might be that the solution support fiber channel or iscsi where a tier 2 or 3 requirement might be support for sub-lun tiering or a 64bit OS to leverage larger cache. This is EMC for crying out loud - arguably the leader in the field, and it's a software issue. We're not talking about going with lesser hardware, which can steeply influence the costs. As well, I was given to understand that this is a relatively new line for them. They have the software in hand, and my 4 year old Lefthands don't have this limitation. I do place this 99% on them (split in some fashion between EMC and the reseller). I'll hand the 1% to my manager, who had used them before, doesn't like the Lefthands, and trusted the reseller rep he's worked with at his prior company. I was given no say in the matter - I suggested another LH unit. It may be too little too late but I'd be happy to share the template we used for our last storage purchase. That might actually be a nice thing - we might not technically outgrow the unit, as it can stack a huge number of disks, but I don't see us doing a whole lot more with it, given that limitation, and the other that raised my dander. - Sean On Feb 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: If true, it would have been nice of them to disclose that before purchase, methinks... Kurt On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:04, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3 protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC is marketing it as an entry level all-in-one storage solution. They need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models supported SCSI 3. - Sean On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember mathew.shem...@synopsys.com wrote: I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited to that. http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf Thanks, Mathew
