Exchanged cached mode
Sorry for the very basic question here. What is the difference between cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange? I am not the Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but I do have to support the clients. We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their mail. I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I will start on that later. At the moment I am looking at just getting this setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways. I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin. Any guidance would help a lot. Specific reading for non-Exchange aware people would be more help. Jon ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Exchanged cached mode
If you do not have cached mode - then Outlook needs to be connected to Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc. If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange. Cheers Ken From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Exchanged cached mode Sorry for the very basic question here. What is the difference between cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange? I am not the Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but I do have to support the clients. We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their mail. I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I will start on that later. At the moment I am looking at just getting this setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways. I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin. Any guidance would help a lot. Specific reading for non-Exchange aware people would be more help. Jon ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Exchanged cached mode
Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me. Then I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile correct? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you do not have cached mode – then Outlook needs to be connected to Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc. If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange. Cheers Ken *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Exchanged cached mode Sorry for the very basic question here. What is the difference between cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange? I am not the Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but I do have to support the clients. We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their mail. I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I will start on that later. At the moment I am looking at just getting this setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways. I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin. Any guidance would help a lot. Specific reading for non-Exchange aware people would be more help. Jon ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Exchanged cached mode
Hi, Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached mode. When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather than a PST file. I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk fails, or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached mode, everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server. Cheers Ken From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me. Then I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile correct? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you do not have cached mode - then Outlook needs to be connected to Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc. If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange. Cheers Ken From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Exchanged cached mode Sorry for the very basic question here. What is the difference between cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange? I am not the Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but I do have to support the clients. We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their mail. I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I will start on that later. At the moment I am looking at just getting this setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways. I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin. Any guidance would help a lot. Specific reading for non-Exchange aware people would be more help. Jon ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Exchanged cached mode
No, you're looking at one or the other. Think of the OST as a good thing. If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users simply logs into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was stored on the bad system - nick names etc). OST = Good in this case. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here. I know not best practice but for the Linux mail system it was required. I would guess then that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I will be living under now. Can OST and PST files live on the same system? Be open at the same time? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached mode. When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather than a PST file. I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk fails, or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached mode, everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server. Cheers Ken From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me. Then I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile correct? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you do not have cached mode - then Outlook needs to be connected to Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc. If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange. Cheers Ken From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Exchanged cached mode Sorry for the very basic question here. What is the difference between cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange? I am not the Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but I do have to support the clients. We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their mail. I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I will start on that later. At the moment I am looking at just getting this setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways. I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin. Any guidance would help a lot. Specific reading for non-Exchange aware people would be more help. Jon ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Exchanged cached mode
Exchange Cache mode is good unless you are going to use it in a Terminal Server /Citrix environment. It is not supported. Mike _ From: Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchanged cached mode No, you're looking at one or the other. Think of the OST as a good thing. If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users simply logs into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was stored on the bad system - nick names etc). OST = Good in this case. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here. I know not best practice but for the Linux mail system it was required. I would guess then that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I will be living under now. Can OST and PST files live on the same system? Be open at the same time? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached mode. When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather than a PST file. I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk fails, or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached mode, everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server. Cheers Ken From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me. Then I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile correct? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you do not have cached mode - then Outlook needs to be connected to Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc. If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange. Cheers Ken From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Exchanged cached mode Sorry for the very basic question here. What is the difference between cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange? I am not the Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but I do have to support the clients. We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their mail. I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I will start on that later. At the moment I am looking at just getting this setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways. I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin. Any guidance would help a lot. Specific reading for non-Exchange aware people would be more help. Jon ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Exchanged cached mode
Add to that our Exchange will not handle more than 50 MB worth of storage per person. Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This does not sound good as all but 2 clients have YEARS worth of information in their PST's. My current PST is about 500+ MB at the moment with my calendar going back several years and going forward several months. Is there a way to import PST's into OST's? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Gavin Wilby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IME Outlook is quicker in the main too! On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, you're looking at one or the other. Think of the OST as a good thing. If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users simply logs into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was stored on the bad system – nick names etc). OST = Good in this case. *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here. I know not best practice but for the Linux mail system it was required. I would guess then that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I will be living under now. Can OST and PST files live on the same system? Be open at the same time? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached mode. When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather than a PST file. I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk fails, or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached mode, everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server. Cheers Ken *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me. Then I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile correct? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you do not have cached mode – then Outlook needs to be connected to Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc. If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange. Cheers Ken *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Exchanged cached mode Sorry for the very basic question here. What is the difference between cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange? I am not the Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but I do have to support the clients. We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their mail. I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I will start on that later. At the moment I am looking at just getting this setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways. I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin. Any guidance would help a lot. Specific reading for non-Exchange aware people would be more help. Jon ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Exchanged cached mode
That appears to be a cultural issue. What we've done, is setup a PST for those users to move stuff they wanted archived. A true archive system might be able to take care of this. And, as was not stated earlier, the Exchange box will require additional space (as if you didn't know that by now J ) Rick From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode Add to that our Exchange will not handle more than 50 MB worth of storage per person. Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This does not sound good as all but 2 clients have YEARS worth of information in their PST's. My current PST is about 500+ MB at the moment with my calendar going back several years and going forward several months. Is there a way to import PST's into OST's? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Gavin Wilby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IME Outlook is quicker in the main too! On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, you're looking at one or the other. Think of the OST as a good thing. If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users simply logs into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was stored on the bad system - nick names etc). OST = Good in this case. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here. I know not best practice but for the Linux mail system it was required. I would guess then that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I will be living under now. Can OST and PST files live on the same system? Be open at the same time? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached mode. When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather than a PST file. I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk fails, or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached mode, everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server. Cheers Ken From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me. Then I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile correct? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you do not have cached mode - then Outlook needs to be connected to Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc. If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange. Cheers Ken From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Exchanged cached mode Sorry for the very basic question here. What is the difference between cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange? I am not the Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but I do have to support the clients. We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their mail. I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I will start on that later. At the moment I am looking at just getting this setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways. I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin. Any guidance would help a lot. Specific reading for non-Exchange aware people would be more help. Jon ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Exchanged cached mode
Actually, I'd sell it as a method to provide greater functionality. Using an OST ensures the users have the ability to move to a new system at a moment's notice w/o losing much (if anything at all). Although there is a price (capacity management will have to over here) on the server, I believe the rewards are much greater. In my experience PST's are much more prone to corruption - that in itself is enough reason to do it. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode I was guessing on that, I know next to nothing about Exchange and unless I can get this system to play ball the way my users want/demand I will be forced to look at doing something else like supporting our own Exchange or putting up some other email server UCK! Not something I want to add to my work load. Man I hate being in this position. Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That appears to be a cultural issue. What we've done, is setup a PST for those users to move stuff they wanted archived. A true archive system might be able to take care of this. And, as was not stated earlier, the Exchange box will require additional space (as if you didn't know that by now J ) Rick From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode Add to that our Exchange will not handle more than 50 MB worth of storage per person. Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This does not sound good as all but 2 clients have YEARS worth of information in their PST's. My current PST is about 500+ MB at the moment with my calendar going back several years and going forward several months. Is there a way to import PST's into OST's? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Gavin Wilby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IME Outlook is quicker in the main too! On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, you're looking at one or the other. Think of the OST as a good thing. If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users simply logs into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was stored on the bad system - nick names etc). OST = Good in this case. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here. I know not best practice but for the Linux mail system it was required. I would guess then that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I will be living under now. Can OST and PST files live on the same system? Be open at the same time? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached mode. When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather than a PST file. I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk fails, or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached mode, everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server. Cheers Ken From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me. Then I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile correct? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you do not have cached mode - then Outlook needs to be connected to Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc. If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange. Cheers Ken From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Exchanged cached mode Sorry for the very basic question here. What is the difference between cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange? I am not the Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but I do have to support the clients. We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their mail. I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I will start on that later. At the moment I am looking at just getting this setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways
Re: Exchanged cached mode
IME Outlook is quicker in the main too! On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, you're looking at one or the other. Think of the OST as a good thing. If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users simply logs into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was stored on the bad system – nick names etc). OST = Good in this case. *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here. I know not best practice but for the Linux mail system it was required. I would guess then that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I will be living under now. Can OST and PST files live on the same system? Be open at the same time? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached mode. When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather than a PST file. I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk fails, or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached mode, everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server. Cheers Ken *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me. Then I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile correct? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you do not have cached mode – then Outlook needs to be connected to Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc. If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange. Cheers Ken *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Exchanged cached mode Sorry for the very basic question here. What is the difference between cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange? I am not the Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but I do have to support the clients. We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their mail. I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I will start on that later. At the moment I am looking at just getting this setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways. I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin. Any guidance would help a lot. Specific reading for non-Exchange aware people would be more help. Jon ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Exchanged cached mode
Ahh, forgot about that. Good catch Mike. From: Mike Semon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchanged cached mode Exchange Cache mode is good unless you are going to use it in a Terminal Server /Citrix environment. It is not supported. Mike _ From: Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchanged cached mode No, you're looking at one or the other. Think of the OST as a good thing. If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users simply logs into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was stored on the bad system - nick names etc). OST = Good in this case. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here. I know not best practice but for the Linux mail system it was required. I would guess then that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I will be living under now. Can OST and PST files live on the same system? Be open at the same time? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached mode. When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather than a PST file. I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk fails, or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached mode, everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server. Cheers Ken From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me. Then I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile correct? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you do not have cached mode - then Outlook needs to be connected to Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc. If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange. Cheers Ken From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Exchanged cached mode Sorry for the very basic question here. What is the difference between cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange? I am not the Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but I do have to support the clients. We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their mail. I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I will start on that later. At the moment I am looking at just getting this setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways. I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin. Any guidance would help a lot. Specific reading for non-Exchange aware people would be more help. Jon ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Exchanged cached mode
I don't have much room to move on this I already have one user screaming (and I do mean screaming) about being forced into using Exchange. I have another that is demanding seamless integration with his email client (he is on OL2k7 and on a laptop) and both demanding the ability to get their email off-campus without using a web interface. One is my boss the other is his boss so it is either make this work their way, which would make most of my users happy, or we do something else. Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I'd sell it as a method to provide greater functionality. Using an OST ensures the users have the ability to move to a new system at a moment's notice w/o losing much (if anything at all). Although there is a price (capacity management will have to over here) on the server, I believe the rewards are much greater. In my experience PST's are much more prone to corruption – that in itself is enough reason to do it. *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:11 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode I was guessing on that, I know next to nothing about Exchange and unless I can get this system to play ball the way my users want/demand I will be forced to look at doing something else like supporting our own Exchange or putting up some other email server UCK! Not something I want to add to my work load. Man I hate being in this position. Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That appears to be a cultural issue. What we've done, is setup a PST for those users to move stuff they wanted archived. A true archive system might be able to take care of this. And, as was not stated earlier, the Exchange box will require additional space (as if you didn't know that by now J ) Rick *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:00 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode Add to that our Exchange will not handle more than 50 MB worth of storage per person. Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This does not sound good as all but 2 clients have YEARS worth of information in their PST's. My current PST is about 500+ MB at the moment with my calendar going back several years and going forward several months. Is there a way to import PST's into OST's? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Gavin Wilby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IME Outlook is quicker in the main too! On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, you're looking at one or the other. Think of the OST as a good thing. If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users simply logs into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was stored on the bad system – nick names etc). OST = Good in this case. *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here. I know not best practice but for the Linux mail system it was required. I would guess then that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I will be living under now. Can OST and PST files live on the same system? Be open at the same time? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached mode. When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather than a PST file. I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk fails, or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached mode, everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server. Cheers Ken *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me. Then I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile correct? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you do not have cached mode – then Outlook needs to be connected to Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc. If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange. Cheers Ken *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
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This does not sound good as all but 2 clients have YEARS worth of information in their PST's. My current PST is about 500+ MB at the moment with my calendar going back several years and going forward several months. Is there a way to import PST's into OST's? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Gavin Wilby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IME Outlook is quicker in the main too! On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, you're looking at one or the other. Think of the OST as a good thing. If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users simply logs into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was stored on the bad system – nick names etc). OST = Good in this case. *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here. I know not best practice but for the Linux mail system it was required. I would guess then that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I will be living under now. Can OST and PST files live on the same system? Be open at the same time? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached mode. When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather than a PST file. I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk fails, or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached mode, everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server. Cheers Ken *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me. Then I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile correct? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you do not have cached mode – then Outlook needs to be connected to Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc. If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange. Cheers Ken *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Exchanged cached mode Sorry for the very basic question here. What is the difference between cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange? I am not the Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but I do have to support the clients. We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their mail. I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I will start on that later. At the moment I am looking at just getting this setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways. I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin. Any guidance would help a lot. Specific reading for non-Exchange aware people would be more help. Jon ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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Sounds more like a cultural issue than anything else. However, everything you've mentioned below can easily be accomplished by using Outlook and Exchange. By using cached mode and RPC over HTTP (or a vpn) any mobile user can connect easily to Exchange and retrieve their mail. Rick From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode I don't have much room to move on this I already have one user screaming (and I do mean screaming) about being forced into using Exchange. I have another that is demanding seamless integration with his email client (he is on OL2k7 and on a laptop) and both demanding the ability to get their email off-campus without using a web interface. One is my boss the other is his boss so it is either make this work their way, which would make most of my users happy, or we do something else. Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I'd sell it as a method to provide greater functionality. Using an OST ensures the users have the ability to move to a new system at a moment's notice w/o losing much (if anything at all). Although there is a price (capacity management will have to over here) on the server, I believe the rewards are much greater. In my experience PST's are much more prone to corruption - that in itself is enough reason to do it. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode I was guessing on that, I know next to nothing about Exchange and unless I can get this system to play ball the way my users want/demand I will be forced to look at doing something else like supporting our own Exchange or putting up some other email server UCK! Not something I want to add to my work load. Man I hate being in this position. Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That appears to be a cultural issue. What we've done, is setup a PST for those users to move stuff they wanted archived. A true archive system might be able to take care of this. And, as was not stated earlier, the Exchange box will require additional space (as if you didn't know that by now J ) Rick From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode Add to that our Exchange will not handle more than 50 MB worth of storage per person. Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This does not sound good as all but 2 clients have YEARS worth of information in their PST's. My current PST is about 500+ MB at the moment with my calendar going back several years and going forward several months. Is there a way to import PST's into OST's? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Gavin Wilby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IME Outlook is quicker in the main too! On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, you're looking at one or the other. Think of the OST as a good thing. If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users simply logs into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was stored on the bad system - nick names etc). OST = Good in this case. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here. I know not best practice but for the Linux mail system it was required. I would guess then that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I will be living under now. Can OST and PST files live on the same system? Be open at the same time? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached mode. When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather than a PST file. I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk fails, or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached mode, everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server. Cheers Ken From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me. Then I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile correct? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you
RE: Exchanged cached mode
Right, and in my experience OST's appear to be less susceptible to corruption. From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode IME Outlook is quicker in the main too! On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, you're looking at one or the other. Think of the OST as a good thing. If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users simply logs into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was stored on the bad system - nick names etc). OST = Good in this case. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here. I know not best practice but for the Linux mail system it was required. I would guess then that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I will be living under now. Can OST and PST files live on the same system? Be open at the same time? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached mode. When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather than a PST file. I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk fails, or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached mode, everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server. Cheers Ken From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me. Then I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile correct? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you do not have cached mode - then Outlook needs to be connected to Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc. If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange. Cheers Ken From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Exchanged cached mode Sorry for the very basic question here. What is the difference between cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange? I am not the Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but I do have to support the clients. We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their mail. I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I will start on that later. At the moment I am looking at just getting this setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways. I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin. Any guidance would help a lot. Specific reading for non-Exchange aware people would be more help. Jon ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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No worry there I can't sell Terminal Services in this setup it took me about 4 years just to get them to give up their local Admin and Power User status. Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Mike Semon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exchange Cache mode is good unless you are going to use it in a Terminal Server /Citrix environment. It is not supported. Mike -- *From:* Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:45 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Exchanged cached mode No, you're looking at one or the other. Think of the OST as a good thing. If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users simply logs into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was stored on the bad system – nick names etc). OST = Good in this case. *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here. I know not best practice but for the Linux mail system it was required. I would guess then that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I will be living under now. Can OST and PST files live on the same system? Be open at the same time? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached mode. When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather than a PST file. I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk fails, or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached mode, everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server. Cheers Ken *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me. Then I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile correct? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you do not have cached mode – then Outlook needs to be connected to Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc. If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange. Cheers Ken *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Exchanged cached mode Sorry for the very basic question here. What is the difference between cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange? I am not the Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but I do have to support the clients. We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their mail. I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I will start on that later. At the moment I am looking at just getting this setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways. I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin. Any guidance would help a lot. Specific reading for non-Exchange aware people would be more help. Jon ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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I was guessing on that, I know next to nothing about Exchange and unless I can get this system to play ball the way my users want/demand I will be forced to look at doing something else like supporting our own Exchange or putting up some other email server UCK! Not something I want to add to my work load. Man I hate being in this position. Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That appears to be a cultural issue. What we've done, is setup a PST for those users to move stuff they wanted archived. A true archive system might be able to take care of this. And, as was not stated earlier, the Exchange box will require additional space (as if you didn't know that by now J ) Rick *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:00 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode Add to that our Exchange will not handle more than 50 MB worth of storage per person. Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This does not sound good as all but 2 clients have YEARS worth of information in their PST's. My current PST is about 500+ MB at the moment with my calendar going back several years and going forward several months. Is there a way to import PST's into OST's? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Gavin Wilby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IME Outlook is quicker in the main too! On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, you're looking at one or the other. Think of the OST as a good thing. If the system goes down and nothing can be recovered, the users simply logs into a new system and they've lost very little (stuff that was stored on the bad system – nick names etc). OST = Good in this case. *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:22 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode Ah, well we are very much a culture of PST files here. I know not best practice but for the Linux mail system it was required. I would guess then that I need to talk to the Exchange admin and find out the ground rules I will be living under now. Can OST and PST files live on the same system? Be open at the same time? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Mobile users (and even users within the office) should be using cached mode. When using cached mode, everything is stored in an OST file, rather than a PST file. I'm not sure I would recommend moving mail to a separate PST file. A PST file exists in a single location, and if there's a failure (e.g. disk fails, or laptop gets stolen) then you lose the mail. When using cached mode, everything (except offline edits) is stored on the Exchange server. Cheers Ken *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:36 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Exchanged cached mode Thank you very concise and to the point and even understandable to me. Then I would need to have all my mobile clients use cached mode if possible or make sure they move their mail to other folders in their Outlook profile correct? Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you do not have cached mode – then Outlook needs to be connected to Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc. If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange. Cheers Ken *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Exchanged cached mode Sorry for the very basic question here. What is the difference between cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange? I am not the Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but I do have to support the clients. We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their mail. I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I will start on that later. At the moment I am looking at just getting this setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways. I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin. Any guidance would help a lot. Specific reading for non-Exchange aware people would be more help. Jon ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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In addition to this, cached mode can act as a backup. Although you certainly should not use this as your sole backup plan, if the store were to be lost, data is still on the client PCs and can be moved to a new store. (I had a client that did not take their backup tapes offsite. All their servers and tapes were stolen one night, but the thief did not take the PCs. I was able to restore all the data from the cached clients) Bob Fronk From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchanged cached mode If you do not have cached mode - then Outlook needs to be connected to Exchange to allow for the user to be able to view their mail, contacts etc. If you use cached mode, then the user can work offline, disconnected from Exchange. Everything will sync when Outlook is reconnected to Exchange. Cheers Ken From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2008 10:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Exchanged cached mode Sorry for the very basic question here. What is the difference between cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange? I am not the Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but I do have to support the clients. We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their mail. I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I will start on that later. At the moment I am looking at just getting this setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways. I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin. Any guidance would help a lot. Specific reading for non-Exchange aware people would be more help. Jon This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the Davis H. Elliot Company company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the difference between cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange? I see this is already answered, but here's a bit more information: Traditionally, Outlook+Exchange supported Online and Offline modes. Offline mode was optional. In Online mode, it was simply acting as a network client for the Exchange server, and just about every operation involved talking to the server. In Offline mode, Outlook was disconnected from the server, and using an Offline Store (.OST file) for everything. An Outlook client configured to support Offline operation would, when Online, periodically synchronize the OST to the Exchange server. The new-in-2003 Cached mode simply means Outlook uses the OST even when the Exchange server is available. It still periodically syncs the OST to the server (every five minutes, I think). If you disable Cached mode, Outlook can and will still use the traditional Offline mode on laptops that operate disconnected from the server, so strictly speaking, Cached mode is not *needed* for laptops. But since Offline and Cached modes are basically the same thing, there's not much point in disabling Cached mode on a laptop. There are some Outlook features which only work in Cached mode, the junk mail filter being the big one. (Anyone know why that is?) Cached means the clients talk to the server less often, which means Exchange can handle more clients per server computron. Cached can make a speed difference on the client, too. If the network is slow and/or the client machine is fast, Cached will usually be a speed improvement. If the network is fast and/or the client machine is slow (old), Cached tends to be slower than Online, in my experience. OST (Cached or Offline) can be a performance drag for users with huge (1 GB+) mailboxes. If the users with the huge mailboxes are usually laptop users, you're in trouble either way. Mailbox size restriction policies can of course avoid this issue. If you've got a user (sub)population which hops between client machines frequently, or are using mandatory profiles, disable OST (Cached and/or Offline) for them entirely. The first time Outlook runs for a given user profile on a given machine, it has to copy the entire mailbox from the server to the local OST, so computer hoppers lose big time. Internally, an .OST file and a .PST file are almost identical, or so I'm told. The difference is in how Outlook uses them. An OST is just a local copy of a mailbox on the Exchange server. If an OST file is lost or corrupted, it can be easily rebuilt from the server mailbox (minus any unsync'ed changes). Any PST files are primary copies, and need to be protected like other primary data (backups, etc.). Any guidance would help a lot. Specific reading for non-Exchange aware people would be more help. When learning this stuff, I found the following to be very helpful: * Exchange Server by Jim McBee (book) * Reading the entire Exchange FAQ * http://www.simpler-webb.com/resources/exchange/faq_db.asp * Note that a lot of the 5.5 and 2000 stuff still applies to 2003 * Lurking on the Sunbelt Exchange list * http://www.slipstick.com/ has lots of tips, tricks, and solutions On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can OST and PST files live on the same system? Be open at the same time? Yes and yes. When Outlook is an Exchange client, the Exchange mailbox (server and/or OST) shows up at Mailbox - Username in the Folder List. Any PSTs the user opens show up as additional top-level icons in the Folder List. If you haven't already, read the Exchange FAQ entry for PST = BAD. I'm aware that you're living in the same imperfect world the rest of us are, but you should at least know what the issues are. On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to import PST's into OST's? Keep in mind that importing a PST means importing into the mailbox on the Exchange server. That may or may not be a good idea. It will mean you don't have to worry the PST=BAD issues, but it will also mean a big jump in Exchange server storage. It may also mean mailbox size problems. So it depends. In Outlook, Menu - File - Import and Export will let you import a PST file into the Exchange mailbox. On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... demanding seamless integration with his email client (he is on OL2k7 and on a laptop) ... Added Exchange should actually be an improvement, then. Outlook really wants to be an Exchange client. Indeed, that's how it began life, as the Exchange Client program. ... both demanding the ability to get their email off-campus without using a web interface. This is easily done with a VPN and/or RPC-over-HTTP. The native MAPI wire protocol Outlook uses to talk to Exchange is based on MS RPC, and isn't firewall friendly.
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IMO, Cached mode is ideal for corporate employees sitting at their desk. It creates an identical copy of their mail, that is accessible even when their server is down. Outlook 2003+ requires cached mode if you want to use their junk mail filters. Note: the first time you connect with cached mode, you better be close to the server, it has to make that first copy of the entire mailbox (especially if you imported the PST). In addition, with the mailbox stored on the server, it can be accessed by others, ie share calendars, shared contacts, plan meetings (and see availability), no loss when an employee leaves the company, etc. For the remote users, I'd look into RPC over HTTP and have your clients configure Outlook to pull via that method. They can use their Outlook anywhere and get to it. Using POP to pull mail into a PST can remove mail from the mailbox, so it is not accessible any place else that the single point (of failure). PSTs created in Outlook 2003 and earlier have a 2gb mailbox limit. Go over that and you WILL lose email. A PST created with 2007 and the new format, are allowed to go larger, but?? who really wants to backup those extra open files.. Gotta close Outlook to back them up.. So, in short Cached mode means Blackberry, spam filtering, centralized administration, and shared calendars. PST means single point of failure, losing email due to size limits, and possible litigation issues when an employee takes their email with them when they leave (and you have no way to capture it).. On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 3:18 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the very basic question here. What is the difference between cached and un-cached mode in the client setting for Exchange? I am not the Exchange admin, you could not pay me enough to take on that extra work, but I do have to support the clients. We are moving from a Linux POP/IMAP server to Exchange and all of my clients are currently set up to POP their mail. I do have mobile clients that I already know will be an issue but I will start on that later. At the moment I am looking at just getting this setup and understanding why somethings are certain ways and not other ways. I will discuss specific issues with the Exchange admin. Any guidance would help a lot. Specific reading for non-Exchange aware people would be more help. Jon ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Eric Woodford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PSTs created in Outlook 2003 and earlier have a 2gb mailbox limit. Go over that and you WILL lose email. A PST created with 2007 and the new format, are allowed to go larger ... Correction: The new format files became available in Outlook 2003. Additional info: The PST size limit also affects the OST files used for Offline/Cached mode; that's a big deal if you've got a laptop user with a big mailbox. The old PST/OST format is sometimes called ANSI and the new format Unicode. Something to do with the character sets they use/support. (The file format certainly isn't anything remotely like any ANSI standard I know of.) -- Ben ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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I'm pulling a bit of Ben's post out to make it more clear, since it's kind of buried and hitting on a particular concern of Jon's On 2/27/08 6:57 AM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can OST and PST files live on the same system? Be open at the same time? Yes and yes. When Outlook is an Exchange client, the Exchange mailbox (server and/or OST) shows up at Mailbox - Username in the Folder List. Any PSTs the user opens show up as additional top-level icons in the Folder List. If you haven't already, read the Exchange FAQ entry for PST = BAD. I'm aware that you're living in the same imperfect world the rest of us are, but you should at least know what the issues are. more chop There is NOTHING stopping you from keeping the old PSTs around. However, you may want to speak with your Exchange admin and talk about whether these old PSTs will be migrated into the Exchange server (i.e. is capacity built in to the new structure to allow it), and to have the Exchange admin talk with the business side regarding the pros and cons of migrating the PSTs in, so that you can lay down an acceptable risk scenario. - Salvador Manzo [ 620 W. 35th St - Los Angeles, CA 90089 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Auxiliary Services IT, Datacenter University of Southern California 818-612-5112 An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. Thomas Paine, Dissertation on First Principles of Government ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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Yeah, I saw and understood that but I know the limits of the store so I am fairly sure I will not be uploading any of the PST's for any user. Most have been on PST's for close to 6 or more years so I doubt many will be small enough to fit within the size limitations. We are part State Agency and part State University Division. So little of what is received can actually be deleted outside of SPAM. Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Salvador Manzo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pulling a bit of Ben's post out to make it more clear, since it's kind of buried and hitting on a particular concern of Jon's On 2/27/08 6:57 AM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can OST and PST files live on the same system? Be open at the same time? Yes and yes. When Outlook is an Exchange client, the Exchange mailbox (server and/or OST) shows up at Mailbox - Username in the Folder List. Any PSTs the user opens show up as additional top-level icons in the Folder List. If you haven't already, read the Exchange FAQ entry for PST = BAD. I'm aware that you're living in the same imperfect world the rest of us are, but you should at least know what the issues are. more chop There is NOTHING stopping you from keeping the old PSTs around. However, you may want to speak with your Exchange admin and talk about whether these old PSTs will be migrated into the Exchange server (i.e. is capacity built in to the new structure to allow it), and to have the Exchange admin talk with the business side regarding the pros and cons of migrating the PSTs in, so that you can lay down an acceptable risk scenario. - Salvador Manzo [ 620 W. 35th St - Los Angeles, CA 90089 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Auxiliary Services IT, Datacenter University of Southern California 818-612-5112 An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. Thomas Paine, Dissertation on First Principles of Government ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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The limits on the store are fairly high, like 70gb for Exchange 2003 Standard. (IIRC). At one former employer, they allowed the C-class to have basically limitless mailboxes. Warning and Send limits (at 2gb), but no cap on receive. Using Mailbox management, to clear deleted Items folders, and very old mail (keep REALLY old mail in PSTs and/or archive to CD) can typically keep the server below the 70gb limits. It's the Exchange Admin and the hardware that impose the only limits here. On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I saw and understood that but I know the limits of the store so I am fairly sure I will not be uploading any of the PST's for any user. Most have been on PST's for close to 6 or more years so I doubt many will be small enough to fit within the size limitations. We are part State Agency and part State University Division. So little of what is received can actually be deleted outside of SPAM. Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Salvador Manzo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pulling a bit of Ben's post out to make it more clear, since it's kind of buried and hitting on a particular concern of Jon's On 2/27/08 6:57 AM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can OST and PST files live on the same system? Be open at the same time? Yes and yes. When Outlook is an Exchange client, the Exchange mailbox (server and/or OST) shows up at Mailbox - Username in the Folder List. Any PSTs the user opens show up as additional top-level icons in the Folder List. If you haven't already, read the Exchange FAQ entry for PST = BAD. I'm aware that you're living in the same imperfect world the rest of us are, but you should at least know what the issues are. more chop There is NOTHING stopping you from keeping the old PSTs around. However, you may want to speak with your Exchange admin and talk about whether these old PSTs will be migrated into the Exchange server (i.e. is capacity built in to the new structure to allow it), and to have the Exchange admin talk with the business side regarding the pros and cons of migrating the PSTs in, so that you can lay down an acceptable risk scenario. - Salvador Manzo [ 620 W. 35th St - Los Angeles, CA 90089 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Auxiliary Services IT, Datacenter University of Southern California 818-612-5112 An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. Thomas Paine, Dissertation on First Principles of Government ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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As far as I know we have 50 MB limits per person total. I don't think there is any one user with stores less than 1 GB that was doing what they were told to do. Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Eric Woodford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The limits on the store are fairly high, like 70gb for Exchange 2003 Standard. (IIRC). At one former employer, they allowed the C-class to have basically limitless mailboxes. Warning and Send limits (at 2gb), but no cap on receive. Using Mailbox management, to clear deleted Items folders, and very old mail (keep REALLY old mail in PSTs and/or archive to CD) can typically keep the server below the 70gb limits. It's the Exchange Admin and the hardware that impose the only limits here. On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I saw and understood that but I know the limits of the store so I am fairly sure I will not be uploading any of the PST's for any user. Most have been on PST's for close to 6 or more years so I doubt many will be small enough to fit within the size limitations. We are part State Agency and part State University Division. So little of what is received can actually be deleted outside of SPAM. Jon On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Salvador Manzo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pulling a bit of Ben's post out to make it more clear, since it's kind of buried and hitting on a particular concern of Jon's On 2/27/08 6:57 AM, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can OST and PST files live on the same system? Be open at the same time? Yes and yes. When Outlook is an Exchange client, the Exchange mailbox (server and/or OST) shows up at Mailbox - Username in the Folder List. Any PSTs the user opens show up as additional top-level icons in the Folder List. If you haven't already, read the Exchange FAQ entry for PST = BAD. I'm aware that you're living in the same imperfect world the rest of us are, but you should at least know what the issues are. more chop There is NOTHING stopping you from keeping the old PSTs around. However, you may want to speak with your Exchange admin and talk about whether these old PSTs will be migrated into the Exchange server (i.e. is capacity built in to the new structure to allow it), and to have the Exchange admin talk with the business side regarding the pros and cons of migrating the PSTs in, so that you can lay down an acceptable risk scenario. - Salvador Manzo [ 620 W. 35th St - Los Angeles, CA 90089 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Auxiliary Services IT, Datacenter University of Southern California 818-612-5112 An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. Thomas Paine, Dissertation on First Principles of Government ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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Caveats: you need to install Exchange 2003 SP2 and make some changes to the registry. Without the registry changes even an SP2 install will be limited to 18GB for the message store. Eric Woodford wrote: The limits on the store are fairly high, like 70gb for Exchange 2003 Standard. (IIRC). -- Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without the registry changes even an SP2 install will be limited to 18GB for the message store. For Exchange Standard, of course. Enterprise doesn't have license-imposed limits on store size. /me grumbles because we bought Enterprise solely to get around the store limit, and then Microsoft up'ed the limit to 70 GB in SP2. -- Ben ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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And completely eliminates them in Exchange 2007. Just be thankful that you didn't have to upgrade your CALs. For most customers, that's a far larger expense than the base server license cost. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchanged cached mode On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without the registry changes even an SP2 install will be limited to 18GB for the message store. For Exchange Standard, of course. Enterprise doesn't have license-imposed limits on store size. /me grumbles because we bought Enterprise solely to get around the store limit, and then Microsoft up'ed the limit to 70 GB in SP2. -- Ben ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
