Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread Andrew S. Baker 
You're going to want to check with the research firms:

Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)




Additionally, Google the question and see what references you find...

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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Oliver Marshall <
oliver.marsh...@g2support.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know of a good source of statistics about IT? I’m thinking of
> the kind of thing we can use in reports or to bring up on topics like “80%
> of companies see a return on investment from an increase in IT spend, 20%
> of companies without backup fail in a year, 40% of IT Managers go mad in
> the first year” that kind of thing.
>
> ** **
>
> Olly
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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread Kim Longenbaugh 
Or just make them up...as 95% of all statistics are.

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

You're going to want to check with the research firms:

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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Oliver Marshall 
mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com>> wrote:
Does anyone know of a good source of statistics about IT? I'm thinking of the 
kind of thing we can use in reports or to bring up on topics like "80% of 
companies see a return on investment from an increase in IT spend, 20% of 
companies without backup fail in a year, 40% of IT Managers go mad in the first 
year" that kind of thing.

Olly




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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread Rod Trent 
Tada.

 

Particularly Gartner's, IMO.

 

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

Or just make them up.as 95% of all statistics are.

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

 

You're going to want to check with the research firms:

 

Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)

 

 

 

 

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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Oliver Marshall
 wrote:

Does anyone know of a good source of statistics about IT? I'm thinking of
the kind of thing we can use in reports or to bring up on topics like "80%
of companies see a return on investment from an increase in IT spend, 20% of
companies without backup fail in a year, 40% of IT Managers go mad in the
first year" that kind of thing.

 

Olly

 

 



 




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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread Andrew S. Baker 
To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily
subverted questions.

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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:

> Tada…
>
> ** **
>
> Particularly Gartner’s, IMO…
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Stats about IT
>
> ** **
>
> Or just make them up…as 95% of all statistics are.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Stats about IT
>
> ** **
>
> You're going to want to check with the research firms:
>
> ** **
>
> Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Additionally, Google the question and see what references you find...
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
> ** **
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Oliver Marshall <
> oliver.marsh...@g2support.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a good source of statistics about IT? I’m thinking of
> the kind of thing we can use in reports or to bring up on topics like “80%
> of companies see a return on investment from an increase in IT spend, 20%
> of companies without backup fail in a year, 40% of IT Managers go mad in
> the first year” that kind of thing.
>
>  
>
> Olly
>
>  
>
>  
>
> 
>
>  
>
> 
>
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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread Alverson, Tom (Xetron) (ESS) 
She meant to say 95.3% are.

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: EXT :RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Or just make them up...as 95% of all statistics are.

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

You're going to want to check with the research firms:

Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)




Additionally, Google the question and see what references you find...
ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Oliver Marshall 
mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com>> wrote:
Does anyone know of a good source of statistics about IT? I'm thinking of the 
kind of thing we can use in reports or to bring up on topics like "80% of 
companies see a return on investment from an increase in IT spend, 20% of 
companies without backup fail in a year, 40% of IT Managers go mad in the first 
year" that kind of thing.

Olly




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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread Webster 
More Fairy Tale than outright lie.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>


From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

But...the Magic Quadrant...it's all a lie?? *sob*
--
Sent using BlackBerry


From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily 
subverted questions.
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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Tada…

Particularly Gartner’s, IMO…

From: Kim Longenbaugh 
[mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com<mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Or just make them up…as 95% of all statistics are.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

You're going to want to check with the research firms:

Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)




Additionally, Google the question and see what references you find...
ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…


On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Oliver Marshall 
mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com>> wrote:
Does anyone know of a good source of statistics about IT? I’m thinking of the 
kind of thing we can use in reports or to bring up on topics like “80% of 
companies see a return on investment from an increase in IT spend, 20% of 
companies without backup fail in a year, 40% of IT Managers go mad in the first 
year” that kind of thing.

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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread Jonathan Link 
Quoting Mark Twain, who may or may not be quoting Benjamin Disraeli (or
others)...

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics"1.

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily
> subverted questions.
>
> * *
>
> *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
> Technology for the SMB market…
>
> *
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:
>
>> Tada…
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Particularly Gartner’s, IMO…
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Stats about IT
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Or just make them up…as 95% of all statistics are.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Stats about IT
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> You're going to want to check with the research firms:
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Additionally, Google the question and see what references you find...
>> 
>>
>> *ASB*
>>
>> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>>
>> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Oliver Marshall <
>> oliver.marsh...@g2support.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know of a good source of statistics about IT? I’m thinking of
>> the kind of thing we can use in reports or to bring up on topics like “80%
>> of companies see a return on investment from an increase in IT spend, 20%
>> of companies without backup fail in a year, 40% of IT Managers go mad in
>> the first year” that kind of thing.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Olly
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
>> 
>>
>> Network Support
>> Online Backups
>> Server Management
>>
>> 
>>
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>>
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>>
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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread John Hornbuckle 
The hype cycle applies to outsourcing and the cloud like it applies to 
everything. Of course, that doesn't make them invalid.

Outsourcing isn't going away-enterprises are just realizing that there's a 
right time/way and a wrong time/way to do it. Future business leaders may be 
more equipped than the current generation to make smart choices here; I can 
tell you that we studied outsourcing quite a bit in grad school.

The same will be true of cloud computing. We're undoubtedly around the "Peak of 
Inflated Expectations" now, which invariably leads to the "Trough of 
Disillusionment."



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Yeah...their track record isn't great (particularly over the last couple 
years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is 
promoting the Cloud like there's nothing else.  3 years ago it was 
"outsourcing".  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house because 
they realized...  "Oops" that didn't work.

You just have to be very careful with "industry" information.  It can be just 
as politically motivated as anything else.

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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread Rod Trent 
Agree that the Cloud will continue to be a topic - but, if the economy
improves, no one will care about the Cloud.  

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 12:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

The hype cycle applies to outsourcing and the cloud like it applies to
everything. Of course, that doesn't make them invalid.

 

Outsourcing isn't going away-enterprises are just realizing that there's a
right time/way and a wrong time/way to do it. Future business leaders may be
more equipped than the current generation to make smart choices here; I can
tell you that we studied outsourcing quite a bit in grad school.

 

The same will be true of cloud computing. We're undoubtedly around the "Peak
of Inflated Expectations" now, which invariably leads to the "Trough of
Disillusionment."

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

Yeah.their track record isn't great (particularly over the last couple
years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is
promoting the Cloud like there's nothing else.  3 years ago it was
"outsourcing".  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house because
they realized...  "Oops" that didn't work.

 

You just have to be very careful with "industry" information.  It can be
just as politically motivated as anything else.

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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread Jonathan Link 
Could offerings, in my experience don't offer (much) cost savings.  All
they seem to do is change capital costs to operating costs, which
normalizes cash flows.


On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:

> Agree that the Cloud will continue to be a topic – but, if the economy
> improves, no one will care about the Cloud.  
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 12:16 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Stats about IT
>
> ** **
>
> The hype cycle applies to outsourcing and the cloud like it applies to
> everything. Of course, that doesn’t make them invalid.
>
> ** **
>
> Outsourcing isn’t going away—enterprises are just realizing that there’s a
> right time/way and a wrong time/way to do it. Future business leaders may
> be more equipped than the current generation to make smart choices here; I
> can tell you that we studied outsourcing quite a bit in grad school.
>
> ** **
>
> The same will be true of cloud computing. We’re undoubtedly around the
> “Peak of Inflated Expectations” now, which invariably leads to the “Trough
> of Disillusionment.”
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
>
> MIS Department
>
> Taylor County School District
>
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:47 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Stats about IT
>
> ** **
>
> Yeah…their track record isn’t great (particularly over the last couple
> years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is
> promoting the Cloud like there’s nothing else.  3 years ago it was
> “outsourcing”.  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house because
> they realized...  “Oops” that didn’t work.
>
> ** **
>
> You just have to be very careful with “industry” information.  It can be
> just as politically motivated as anything else.
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread Kim Longenbaugh 
Who the heck is the she you're referring to, dude?  I heard that 93.7% of the 
people on this list make assumptions about gender based on a person's name.
:)

From: Alverson, Tom (Xetron) (ESS) [mailto:tom.alver...@ngc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

She meant to say 95.3% are.

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: EXT :RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Or just make them up...as 95% of all statistics are.

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

You're going to want to check with the research firms:

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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Oliver Marshall 
mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com>> wrote:
Does anyone know of a good source of statistics about IT? I'm thinking of the 
kind of thing we can use in reports or to bring up on topics like "80% of 
companies see a return on investment from an increase in IT spend, 20% of 
companies without backup fail in a year, 40% of IT Managers go mad in the first 
year" that kind of thing.

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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread Mathew Shember 
I heard that 95% of women are grumpy in the morning.

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Who the heck is the she you're referring to, dude?  I heard that 93.7% of the 
people on this list make assumptions about gender based on a person's name.
:)

From: Alverson, Tom (Xetron) (ESS) [mailto:tom.alver...@ngc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

She meant to say 95.3% are.

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: EXT :RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Or just make them up...as 95% of all statistics are.

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

You're going to want to check with the research firms:

Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)




Additionally, Google the question and see what references you find...
ASB

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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Oliver Marshall 
mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com>> wrote:
Does anyone know of a good source of statistics about IT? I'm thinking of the 
kind of thing we can use in reports or to bring up on topics like "80% of 
companies see a return on investment from an increase in IT spend, 20% of 
companies without backup fail in a year, 40% of IT Managers go mad in the first 
year" that kind of thing.

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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread Kat Aylward Langan 
LOL no kidding!

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Kim Longenbaugh
wrote:

>  Who the heck is the she you’re referring to, dude?  I heard that 93.7%
> of the people on this list make assumptions about gender based on a
> person’s name.
>
> J
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Alverson, Tom (Xetron) (ESS) [mailto:tom.alver...@ngc.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:37 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Stats about IT
>
>  ** **
>
> She meant to say 95.3% are.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* EXT :RE: [OT] Stats about IT
>
>  ** **
>
> Or just make them up…as 95% of all statistics are.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Stats about IT
>
> ** **
>
> You're going to want to check with the research firms:
>
> ** **
>
> Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Additionally, Google the question and see what references you find...
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
> ** **
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Oliver Marshall <
> oliver.marsh...@g2support.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a good source of statistics about IT? I’m thinking of
> the kind of thing we can use in reports or to bring up on topics like “80%
> of companies see a return on investment from an increase in IT spend, 20%
> of companies without backup fail in a year, 40% of IT Managers go mad in
> the first year” that kind of thing.
>
>  
>
> Olly
>
>  
>
>  
>
> 
>
>  
>
> 
>
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> 
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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread Greg Olson 
Correction..   95.3%


From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

I heard that 95% of women are grumpy in the morning.

From: Kim Longenbaugh 
[mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]<mailto:[mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Who the heck is the she you're referring to, dude?  I heard that 93.7% of the 
people on this list make assumptions about gender based on a person's name.
:)

From: Alverson, Tom (Xetron) (ESS) 
[mailto:tom.alver...@ngc.com]<mailto:[mailto:tom.alver...@ngc.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

She meant to say 95.3% are.

From: Kim Longenbaugh 
[mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]<mailto:[mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: EXT :RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Or just make them up...as 95% of all statistics are.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

You're going to want to check with the research firms:

Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)




Additionally, Google the question and see what references you find...
ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Oliver Marshall 
mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com>> wrote:
Does anyone know of a good source of statistics about IT? I'm thinking of the 
kind of thing we can use in reports or to bring up on topics like "80% of 
companies see a return on investment from an increase in IT spend, 20% of 
companies without backup fail in a year, 40% of IT Managers go mad in the first 
year" that kind of thing.

Olly




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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread Rankin, James R 
Surely that's a tad understated? Waking my missus in the morning is like 
disturbing a dragon with a hangover.

Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

-Original Message-
From: Mathew Shember 
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:55:36 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

I heard that 95% of women are grumpy in the morning.

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Who the heck is the she you're referring to, dude?  I heard that 93.7% of the 
people on this list make assumptions about gender based on a person's name.
:)

From: Alverson, Tom (Xetron) (ESS) [mailto:tom.alver...@ngc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

She meant to say 95.3% are.

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: EXT :RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Or just make them up...as 95% of all statistics are.

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

You're going to want to check with the research firms:

Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)




Additionally, Google the question and see what references you find...
ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Oliver Marshall 
mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com>> wrote:
Does anyone know of a good source of statistics about IT? I'm thinking of the 
kind of thing we can use in reports or to bring up on topics like "80% of 
companies see a return on investment from an increase in IT spend, 20% of 
companies without backup fail in a year, 40% of IT Managers go mad in the first 
year" that kind of thing.

Olly




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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread Crawford, Scott 
Completely off topic, but it makes me chuckle so I'm gonna share. I once knew a 
guy whose parents were both named Kim.

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 12:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Who the heck is the she you're referring to, dude?  I heard that 93.7% of the 
people on this list make assumptions about gender based on a person's name.
:)

From: Alverson, Tom (Xetron) (ESS) 
[mailto:tom.alver...@ngc.com]<mailto:[mailto:tom.alver...@ngc.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

She meant to say 95.3% are.

From: Kim Longenbaugh 
[mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]<mailto:[mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: EXT :RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Or just make them up...as 95% of all statistics are.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

You're going to want to check with the research firms:

Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)




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ASB

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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Oliver Marshall 
mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com>> wrote:
Does anyone know of a good source of statistics about IT? I'm thinking of the 
kind of thing we can use in reports or to bring up on topics like "80% of 
companies see a return on investment from an increase in IT spend, 20% of 
companies without backup fail in a year, 40% of IT Managers go mad in the first 
year" that kind of thing.

Olly




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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread Kat Aylward Langan 
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and taste good
with ketchup!


On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Rankin, James R wrote:

> Surely that's a tad understated? Waking my missus in the morning is like
> disturbing a dragon with a hangover.
> Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird
> --
> *From: * Mathew Shember 
> *Date: *Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:55:36 +
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
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>
>  I heard that 95% of women are grumpy in the morning.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:37 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
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>
> ** **
>
> Who the heck is the she you’re referring to, dude?  I heard that 93.7% of
> the people on this list make assumptions about gender based on a person’s
> name.
>
> J
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Alverson, Tom (Xetron) (ESS) [mailto:tom.alver...@ngc.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:37 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
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>
> ** **
>
> She meant to say 95.3% are.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM
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> ** **
>
> Or just make them up…as 95% of all statistics are.****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
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>
> ** **
>
> You're going to want to check with the research firms:
>
> ** **
>
> Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Additionally, Google the question and see what references you find...
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
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> ** **
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Oliver Marshall <
> oliver.marsh...@g2support.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a good source of statistics about IT? I’m thinking of
> the kind of thing we can use in reports or to bring up on topics like “80%
> of companies see a return on investment from an increase in IT spend, 20%
> of companies without backup fail in a year, 40% of IT Managers go mad in
> the first year” that kind of thing.
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>  
>
> Olly
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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread RichardMcClary 
Interesting...

I'd always heard ketchup was a "guy thing", but I never realized it meant 
it made guys taste better



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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Rankin, James R  
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Surely that's a tad understated? Waking my missus in the morning is like 
disturbing a dragon with a hangover.
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From: Mathew Shember  
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:55:36 +
To: NT System Admin Issues
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

I heard that 95% of women are grumpy in the morning.
 
From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT
 
Who the heck is the she you?re referring to, dude?  I heard that 93.7% of 
the people on this list make assumptions about gender based on a person?s 
name.
J
 
From: Alverson, Tom (Xetron) (ESS) [mailto:tom.alver...@ngc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT
 
She meant to say 95.3% are.
 
From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: EXT :RE: [OT] Stats about IT
 
Or just make them up?as 95% of all statistics are.
 
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT
 
You're going to want to check with the research firms:
 
Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)
 
 
 
 
Additionally, Google the question and see what references you find...

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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Oliver Marshall <
oliver.marsh...@g2support.com> wrote:
Does anyone know of a good source of statistics about IT? I?m thinking of 
the kind of thing we can use in reports or to bring up on topics like ?80% 
of companies see a return on investment from an increase in IT spend, 20% 
of companies without backup fail in a year, 40% of IT Managers go mad in 
the first year? that kind of thing.
 
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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread Rod Trent 
Since we're completely off topic.no, Ketchup is a girl.

 

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/401092/october-31-201
1/colbert-super-pac---occupy-wall-street-co-optportunity---stephen-on-locati
on 

 

From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 2:24 PM
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Interesting... 

I'd always heard ketchup was a "guy thing", but I never realized it meant it
made guys taste better 




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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Rankin, James R 
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Surely that's a tad understated? Waking my missus in the morning is like
disturbing a dragon with a hangover. 
Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird 

  _  


From: Mathew Shember  
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:55:36 + 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues"  
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT 

I heard that 95% of women are grumpy in the morning. 

  

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto: <mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com>
k...@colonialsavings.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT 

  

Who the heck is the she you're referring to, dude?  I heard that 93.7% of
the people on this list make assumptions about gender based on a person's
name. 

J 

  

From: Alverson, Tom (Xetron) (ESS) [mailto: <mailto:tom.alver...@ngc.com>
tom.alver...@ngc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT 

  

She meant to say 95.3% are. 

  

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto: <mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com>
k...@colonialsavings.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: EXT :RE: [OT] Stats about IT 

  

Or just make them up.as 95% of all statistics are. 

  

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto: <mailto:asbz...@gmail.com> asbz...@gmail.com]

Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT 

  

You're going to want to check with the research firms: 

  

Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/) 

  

  

  

  

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Does anyone know of a good source of statistics about IT? I'm thinking of
the kind of thing we can use in reports or to bring up on topics like "80%
of companies see a return on investment from an increase in IT spend, 20% of
companies without backup fail in a year, 40% of IT Managers go mad in the
first year" that kind of thing. 

  

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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread John Hornbuckle 
There's something to be said for normalizing cash flows.  :)

But even so, cloud computing really can result in cost savings if the 
circumstances are right. The cloud is really about three things: access 
anywhere and anytime, outsourcing non-core competencies, and leveraging 
economies of scale. The latter two can save money, with the last having the 
greatest potential for savings.

We've been using "the cloud" here since long before it was called the cloud. We 
have software systems that require mainframes to run, but we never wanted to be 
in the business of owning/operating/maintaining/backing 
up/upgrading/troubleshooting/fixing a mainframe. It would've made no sense for 
us to get our own. So we pay a large data center to take care of all of that 
stuff for us, and that has worked out really well for the twenty years or so 
that we've done it.


John



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 12:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

Could offerings, in my experience don't offer (much) cost savings.  All they 
seem to do is change capital costs to operating costs, which normalizes cash 
flows.


On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Agree that the Cloud will continue to be a topic - but, if the economy 
improves, no one will care about the Cloud.

From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 12:16 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

The hype cycle applies to outsourcing and the cloud like it applies to 
everything. Of course, that doesn't make them invalid.

Outsourcing isn't going away-enterprises are just realizing that there's a 
right time/way and a wrong time/way to do it. Future business leaders may be 
more equipped than the current generation to make smart choices here; I can 
tell you that we studied outsourcing quite a bit in grad school.

The same will be true of cloud computing. We're undoubtedly around the "Peak of 
Inflated Expectations" now, which invariably leads to the "Trough of 
Disillusionment."



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
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2011-11-02 Thread Rod Trent 
There was a report or article or research, or something, recently that
suggested that migrating current services to the Cloud would not see any
cost savings for at least 3 years, i.e., there are costs up front.
Companies were expected to build the cost (migrations, implementation, etc.)
into doing business.  I'll see if I can dig that up again.  Part of the
ultimate cost savings included freeing up salary and amenities. 

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 2:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

There's something to be said for normalizing cash flows.  :)

 

But even so, cloud computing really can result in cost savings if the
circumstances are right. The cloud is really about three things: access
anywhere and anytime, outsourcing non-core competencies, and leveraging
economies of scale. The latter two can save money, with the last having the
greatest potential for savings.

 

We've been using "the cloud" here since long before it was called the cloud.
We have software systems that require mainframes to run, but we never wanted
to be in the business of owning/operating/maintaining/backing
up/upgrading/troubleshooting/fixing a mainframe. It would've made no sense
for us to get our own. So we pay a large data center to take care of all of
that stuff for us, and that has worked out really well for the twenty years
or so that we've done it.

 

 

John

 

 

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 12:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

 

Could offerings, in my experience don't offer (much) cost savings.  All they
seem to do is change capital costs to operating costs, which normalizes cash
flows.

 

 

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:

Agree that the Cloud will continue to be a topic - but, if the economy
improves, no one will care about the Cloud.  

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 12:16 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

The hype cycle applies to outsourcing and the cloud like it applies to
everything. Of course, that doesn't make them invalid.

 

Outsourcing isn't going away-enterprises are just realizing that there's a
right time/way and a wrong time/way to do it. Future business leaders may be
more equipped than the current generation to make smart choices here; I can
tell you that we studied outsourcing quite a bit in grad school.

 

The same will be true of cloud computing. We're undoubtedly around the "Peak
of Inflated Expectations" now, which invariably leads to the "Trough of
Disillusionment."

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread Jacob 
I would love to use clouds services, such as EC2 or others for storage.  For
some reason they look at my email address and say "Thanks, but no thanks"

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

 

Could offerings, in my experience don't offer (much) cost savings.  All they
seem to do is change capital costs to operating costs, which normalizes cash
flows.

 

 

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:

Agree that the Cloud will continue to be a topic - but, if the economy
improves, no one will care about the Cloud.  

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 12:16 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

The hype cycle applies to outsourcing and the cloud like it applies to
everything. Of course, that doesn't make them invalid.

 

Outsourcing isn't going away-enterprises are just realizing that there's a
right time/way and a wrong time/way to do it. Future business leaders may be
more equipped than the current generation to make smart choices here; I can
tell you that we studied outsourcing quite a bit in grad school.

 

The same will be true of cloud computing. We're undoubtedly around the "Peak
of Inflated Expectations" now, which invariably leads to the "Trough of
Disillusionment."

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:47 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

Yeah.their track record isn't great (particularly over the last couple
years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is
promoting the Cloud like there's nothing else.  3 years ago it was
"outsourcing".  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house because
they realized...  "Oops" that didn't work.

 

You just have to be very careful with "industry" information.  It can be
just as politically motivated as anything else.

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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread Jonathan Link 
Could it be that Amazon understands what can saturate bandwidth?

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Jacob  wrote:

> I would love to use clouds services, such as EC2 or others for storage.
> For some reason they look at my email address and say “Thanks, but no
> thanks”
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:33 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Stats about IT
>
> ** **
>
> Could offerings, in my experience don't offer (much) cost savings.  All
> they seem to do is change capital costs to operating costs, which
> normalizes cash flows.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> 
>
> Agree that the Cloud will continue to be a topic – but, if the economy
> improves, no one will care about the Cloud.  
>
>  
>
> *From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 12:16 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Stats about IT
>
>  
>
> The hype cycle applies to outsourcing and the cloud like it applies to
> everything. Of course, that doesn’t make them invalid.
>
>  
>
> Outsourcing isn’t going away—enterprises are just realizing that there’s a
> right time/way and a wrong time/way to do it. Future business leaders may
> be more equipped than the current generation to make smart choices here; I
> can tell you that we studied outsourcing quite a bit in grad school.
>
>  
>
> The same will be true of cloud computing. We’re undoubtedly around the
> “Peak of Inflated Expectations” now, which invariably leads to the “Trough
> of Disillusionment.”
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
>
> MIS Department
>
> Taylor County School District
>
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us****
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:47 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Stats about IT
>
>  
>
> Yeah…their track record isn’t great (particularly over the last couple
> years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is
> promoting the Cloud like there’s nothing else.  3 years ago it was
> “outsourcing”.  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house because
> they realized...  “Oops” that didn’t work.
>
>  
>
> You just have to be very careful with “industry” information.  It can be
> just as politically motivated as anything else.
>
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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread John Cook 
Their loss! Money is money right?
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families

From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 03:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

I would love to use clouds services, such as EC2 or others for storage.  For 
some reason they look at my email address and say “Thanks, but no thanks�

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

Could offerings, in my experience don't offer (much) cost savings.  All they 
seem to do is change capital costs to operating costs, which normalizes cash 
flows.


On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Agree that the Cloud will continue to be a topic – but, if the economy 
improves, no one will care about the Cloud.

From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 12:16 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

The hype cycle applies to outsourcing and the cloud like it applies to 
everything. Of course, that doesn’t make them invalid.

Outsourcing isn’t going away—enterprises are just realizing that there’s a 
right time/way and a wrong time/way to do it. Future business leaders may be 
more equipped than the current generation to make smart choices here; I can 
tell you that we studied outsourcing quite a bit in grad school.

The same will be true of cloud computing. We’re undoubtedly around the “Peak of 
Inflated Expectations� now, which invariably leads to the “Trough of 
Disillusionment.�



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>



From: Rod Trent 
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]<mailto:[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:47 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Yeah…their track record isn’t great (particularly over the last couple years), 
however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is promoting the 
Cloud like there’s nothing else.  3 years ago it was “outsourcing�.  Now, 
companies are bringing resources back in-house because they realized...  
“Oops� that didn’t work.

You just have to be very careful with “industry� information.  It can be just 
as politically motivated as anything else.

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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread Rankin, James R 
Sometimes literally :-)

Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

-Original Message-
From: Jonathan Link 
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:46:04 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

Could it be that Amazon understands what can saturate bandwidth?

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Jacob  wrote:

> I would love to use clouds services, such as EC2 or others for storage.
> For some reason they look at my email address and say “Thanks, but no
> thanks”
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:33 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Stats about IT
>
> ** **
>
> Could offerings, in my experience don't offer (much) cost savings.  All
> they seem to do is change capital costs to operating costs, which
> normalizes cash flows.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> 
>
> Agree that the Cloud will continue to be a topic – but, if the economy
> improves, no one will care about the Cloud.  
>
>  
>
> *From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 12:16 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Stats about IT
>
>  
>
> The hype cycle applies to outsourcing and the cloud like it applies to
> everything. Of course, that doesn’t make them invalid.
>
>  
>
> Outsourcing isn’t going away—enterprises are just realizing that there’s a
> right time/way and a wrong time/way to do it. Future business leaders may
> be more equipped than the current generation to make smart choices here; I
> can tell you that we studied outsourcing quite a bit in grad school.
>
>  
>
> The same will be true of cloud computing. We’re undoubtedly around the
> “Peak of Inflated Expectations” now, which invariably leads to the “Trough
> of Disillusionment.”
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
>
> MIS Department
>
> Taylor County School District
>
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:47 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Stats about IT
>
>  
>
> Yeah…their track record isn’t great (particularly over the last couple
> years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is
> promoting the Cloud like there’s nothing else.  3 years ago it was
> “outsourcing”.  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house because
> they realized...  “Oops” that didn’t work.
>
>  
>
> You just have to be very careful with “industry” information.  It can be
> just as politically motivated as anything else.
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>
>
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread Ben Scott 
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Ziots, Edward  wrote:
> Yes we have seen C “Levels” chase the hype, and be promised the
> world by slick sales folks, but a lot of times it hasn’t panned out the
> way they figure.

  I recall a conversation (possibly in this very forum) which
summarized many of these scenarios pretty well; it went along these
lines:

Guy1: My boss has asked me to look into %BAD_IDEA%.  Thoughts?

Guy2: Tell your boss the in-flight magazine was wrong, and it's not a good idea.

-- Ben

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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread John C Owen 
We had the same issue with our @fantasyentertainment.com address ☺

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 3:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

Their loss! Money is money right?
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families

From: Jacob 
[mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com]<mailto:[mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 03:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

I would love to use clouds services, such as EC2 or others for storage.  For 
some reason they look at my email address and say “Thanks, but no thanks…#157;

From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

Could offerings, in my experience don't offer (much) cost savings.  All they 
seem to do is change capital costs to operating costs, which normalizes cash 
flows.


On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Agree that the Cloud will continue to be a topic – but, if the economy 
improves, no one will care about the Cloud.

From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 12:16 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

The hype cycle applies to outsourcing and the cloud like it applies to 
everything. Of course, that doesn’t make them invalid.

Outsourcing isn’t going away—enterprises are just realizing that there’s a 
right time/way and a wrong time/way to do it. Future business leaders may be 
more equipped than the current generation to make smart choices here; I can 
tell you that we studied outsourcing quite a bit in grad school.

The same will be true of cloud computing. We’re undoubtedly around the “Peak of 
Inflated Expectations…#157; now, which invariably leads to the “Trough of 
Disillusionment.…#157;



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>



From: Rod Trent 
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]<mailto:[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:47 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Yeah…their track record isn’t great (particularly over the last couple years), 
however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is promoting the 
Cloud like there’s nothing else.  3 years ago it was “outsourcing…#157;.  Now, 
companies are bringing resources back in-house because they realized...  
“Oops…#157; that didn’t work.

You just have to be very careful with “industry…#157; information.  It can be 
just as politically motivated as anything else.

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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-02 Thread Ken Schaefer 
Really?

Gartner is saying that Cloud has entered the "meaningless hype" stage...
http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/its-official-cloud-computing-now-meaningless-169416

CIOs and CEOs still pay attention to this stuff because at least there is some 
effort to justify the conclusion. Most IT people I've run into couldn't write a 
business case to save their lives.

Cheers
Ken

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011 11:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Yeah...their track record isn't great (particularly over the last couple 
years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is 
promoting the Cloud like there's nothing else.  3 years ago it was 
"outsourcing".  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house because 
they realized...  "Oops" that didn't work.

You just have to be very careful with "industry" information.  It can be just 
as politically motivated as anything else.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily 
subverted questions.
ASB

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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Tada...

Particularly Gartner's, IMO...

From: Kim Longenbaugh 
[mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com<mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Or just make them up...as 95% of all statistics are.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

You're going to want to check with the research firms:

Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)


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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread Tom Miller 
Anyone on the list using "cloud" services?  I looked at Office 365 and
found it to be far more expensive than what I pay now.  But, I can see
replicating my web sites and databases to a cloud just for the space.  

>>> Ken Schaefer  11/2/2011 10:57 PM >>>

Really?
 
Gartner is saying that Cloud has entered the “meaningless hype” stage…
http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/its-official-cloud-computing-now-meaningless-169416
 
CIOs and CEOs still pay attention to this stuff because at least there
is some effort to justify the conclusion. Most IT people I’ve run into
couldn’t write a business case to save their lives.
 
Cheers
Ken
 

From:Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011 11:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 
Yeah…their track record isn’t great (particularly over the last couple
years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now,
is promoting the Cloud like there’s nothing else.  3 years ago it was
“outsourcing”.  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house
because they realized...  “Oops” that didn’t work.
 
You just have to be very careful with “industry” information.  It can
be just as politically motivated as anything else.
 
From:Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT
 
To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily
subverted questions.


ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…

 

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent 
wrote:

Tada…
 
Particularly Gartner’s, IMO…
 

From:Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject:RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 
Or just make them up…as 95% of all statistics are.
 
From:Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

 
You're going to want to check with the research firms:

 

Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)

 

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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread Rod Trent 
Do some searches for "gartner cloud" and look at some more recent articles.
Even though the graphic in that article was only July 2011, that's really a
long time in hype cycles.

 

If someone were smart, they'd find a way to automate data accumulation from
communities and develop a real world research org.  It would be nice to see
"what the industry says" versus "what's really going on".

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

Really?

 

Gartner is saying that Cloud has entered the "meaningless hype" stage.

http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/its-official-cloud-computing-now-
meaningless-169416

 

CIOs and CEOs still pay attention to this stuff because at least there is
some effort to justify the conclusion. Most IT people I've run into couldn't
write a business case to save their lives.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011 11:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

Yeah.their track record isn't great (particularly over the last couple
years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is
promoting the Cloud like there's nothing else.  3 years ago it was
"outsourcing".  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house because
they realized...  "Oops" that didn't work.

 

You just have to be very careful with "industry" information.  It can be
just as politically motivated as anything else.

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

 

To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily
subverted questions.



ASB


http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker


Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market.

 

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:

Tada.

 

Particularly Gartner's, IMO.

 

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

Or just make them up.as 95% of all statistics are.

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

 

You're going to want to check with the research firms:

 

Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)

 

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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread Andrew S. Baker 
Several services, yes.

Several SaaS apps, and a little IaaS (both computing and storage)

* *

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Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Tom Miller  wrote:

> Anyone on the list using "cloud" services?  I looked at Office 365 and
> found it to be far more expensive than what I pay now.  But, I can see
> replicating my web sites and databases to a cloud just for the space.
>
> >>> Ken Schaefer  11/2/2011 10:57 PM >>>
>
>  Really?
>
> ** **
>
> Gartner is saying that Cloud has entered the “meaningless hype” stage…
>
>
> http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/its-official-cloud-computing-now-meaningless-169416
> 
>
> ** **
>
> CIOs and CEOs still pay attention to this stuff because at least there is
> some effort to justify the conclusion. Most IT people I’ve run into
> couldn’t write a business case to save their lives.
>
> ** **
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 2 November 2011 11:47 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Stats about IT
>
> ** **
>
> Yeah…their track record isn’t great (particularly over the last couple
> years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is
> promoting the Cloud like there’s nothing else.  3 years ago it was
> “outsourcing”.  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house because
> they realized...  “Oops” that didn’t work.
>
> ** **
>
> You just have to be very careful with “industry” information.  It can be
> just as politically motivated as anything else.****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:24 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Stats about IT
>
> ** **
>
> To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily
> subverted questions.
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
> ** **
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> ****
>
> Tada…****
>
>  
>
> Particularly Gartner’s, IMO…
>
>  
>
> *From:* Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Stats about IT
>
>  
>
> Or just make them up…as 95% of all statistics are.
>
>  
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Stats about IT
>
>  
>
> You're going to want to check with the research firms:
>
>  
>
> Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)
>
>  
>
>
>

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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread Webster 
I use Office 365 for my carlwebster.com domain and am happy with the service.  
$6/month is not bad for a one man shop.  I don’t have to bug MBS hardly ever 
now about all my e-mail issues when my e-mail was on a GoDaddy server.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>


From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Anyone on the list using "cloud" services?  I looked at Office 365 and found it 
to be far more expensive than what I pay now.  But, I can see replicating my 
web sites and databases to a cloud just for the space.


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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread Rod Trent 
My Dad bought a new PC without Office, and then wanted to be able to write 
docs, use xls, etc.  I got him up and running on Office 365.  There is a huge 
learning curve, and I don’t think he may ever get it completely.  You would 
think that Microsoft would do a better job with the interface.  Its clumsy.

 

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

I use Office 365 for my carlwebster.com domain and am happy with the service.  
$6/month is not bad for a one man shop.  I don’t have to bug MBS hardly ever 
now about all my e-mail issues when my e-mail was on a GoDaddy server.

 

 

Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/> 

 

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

Anyone on the list using "cloud" services?  I looked at Office 365 and found it 
to be far more expensive than what I pay now.  But, I can see replicating my 
web sites and databases to a cloud just for the space.  

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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread Ben Scott 
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> My Dad bought a new PC without Office, and then wanted to be able to write
> docs, use xls, etc.  I got him up and running on Office 365.  There is a
> huge learning curve, and I don’t think he may ever get it completely.

  For that scenario, I usually just hook people up with LibreOffice
(nee OpenOffice).  It's good enough for casual use, and for people not
used to the ribbon, it's actually more like the MS Office they're used
to than modern MS Office.

http://www.libreoffice.org/

-- Ben

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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread David 
I probably shouldn't hold it against them, but I still remember back in the
'90s when Gartner was saying that within five years all computers would be
running the Unix OS.  I can't say I've ever had much faith in their
'predictions'.

David



On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

>  Really?
>
> ** **
>
> Gartner is saying that Cloud has entered the “meaningless hype” stage…
>
>
> http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/its-official-cloud-computing-now-meaningless-169416
> 
>
> ** **
>
> CIOs and CEOs still pay attention to this stuff because at least there is
> some effort to justify the conclusion. Most IT people I’ve run into
> couldn’t write a business case to save their lives.
>
> ** **
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 2 November 2011 11:47 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Stats about IT
>
> ** **
>
> Yeah…their track record isn’t great (particularly over the last couple
> years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is
> promoting the Cloud like there’s nothing else.  3 years ago it was
> “outsourcing”.  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house because
> they realized...  “Oops” that didn’t work.
>
> ** **
>
> You just have to be very careful with “industry” information.  It can be
> just as politically motivated as anything else.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:24 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Stats about IT
>
> ** **
>
> To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily
> subverted questions.
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
> ** **
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> 
>
> Tada…****
>
>  ****
>
> Particularly Gartner’s, IMO…
>
>  
>
> *From:* Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues****
>
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Stats about IT
>
>  
>
> Or just make them up…as 95% of all statistics are.
>
>  
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Stats about IT
>
>  
>
> You're going to want to check with the research firms:
>
>  
>
> Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)
>
>  
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread David 
Did you drill down far enough on the 365 site to see that you can get
stand-alone hosted email for $5/month?  I'm working a project for a company
and that's one of the services we recommend if they're going to 365.

David



On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Tom Miller  wrote:

> Anyone on the list using "cloud" services?  I looked at Office 365 and
> found it to be far more expensive than what I pay now.  But, I can see
> replicating my web sites and databases to a cloud just for the space.
>
> >>> Ken Schaefer  11/2/2011 10:57 PM >>>
>
>  Really?
>
> ** **
>
> Gartner is saying that Cloud has entered the “meaningless hype” stage…
>
>
> http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/its-official-cloud-computing-now-meaningless-169416
> 
>
> ** **
>
> CIOs and CEOs still pay attention to this stuff because at least there is
> some effort to justify the conclusion. Most IT people I’ve run into
> couldn’t write a business case to save their lives.
>
> ** **
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 2 November 2011 11:47 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Stats about IT
>
> ** **
>
> Yeah…their track record isn’t great (particularly over the last couple
> years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is
> promoting the Cloud like there’s nothing else.  3 years ago it was
> “outsourcing”.  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house because
> they realized...  “Oops” that didn’t work.
>
> ** **
>
> You just have to be very careful with “industry” information.  It can be
> just as politically motivated as anything else.****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:24 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Stats about IT
>
> ** **
>
> To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily
> subverted questions.
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
> ** **
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> ****
>
> Tada…
>
>  
>
> Particularly Gartner’s, IMO…
>
>  
>
> *From:* Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Stats about IT
>
>  
>
> Or just make them up…as 95% of all statistics are.
>
>  
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Stats about IT
>
>  
>
> You're going to want to check with the research firms:
>
>  
>
> Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)
>
>  
>
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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread Rankin, James R 
Got a hell of a lot of critical systems using ESX, Xen and the like though - 
all nix variants under the hood.

Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

-Original Message-
From: David 
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 09:40:09 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

I probably shouldn't hold it against them, but I still remember back in the
'90s when Gartner was saying that within five years all computers would be
running the Unix OS.  I can't say I've ever had much faith in their
'predictions'.

David



On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

>  Really?
>
> ** **
>
> Gartner is saying that Cloud has entered the “meaningless hype” stage…
>
>
> http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/its-official-cloud-computing-now-meaningless-169416
> 
>
> ** **
>
> CIOs and CEOs still pay attention to this stuff because at least there is
> some effort to justify the conclusion. Most IT people I’ve run into
> couldn’t write a business case to save their lives.
>
> ** **
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 2 November 2011 11:47 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Stats about IT
>
> ** **
>
> Yeah…their track record isn’t great (particularly over the last couple
> years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is
> promoting the Cloud like there’s nothing else.  3 years ago it was
> “outsourcing”.  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house because
> they realized...  “Oops” that didn’t work.
>
> ** **
>
> You just have to be very careful with “industry” information.  It can be
> just as politically motivated as anything else.****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:24 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Stats about IT
>
> ** **
>
> To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily
> subverted questions.
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
> ** **
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> 
>
> Tada…
>
>  
>
> Particularly Gartner’s, IMO…
>
>  
>
> *From:* Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Stats about IT
>
>  
>
> Or just make them up…as 95% of all statistics are.
>
>  
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Stats about IT
>
>  
>
> You're going to want to check with the research firms:
>
>  
>
> Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)
>
>  
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread Ben M. Schorr 
If you're going to pay $5/mo for the hosted e-mail you might consider that 
adding SharePoint and Lync is only an add'l $1/mo at that point.

That said, if you don't need to use Outlook you can get the Kiosk mode Exchange 
Online from Office 365 for only $2/user/mo.

Disclaimer: We're Office 365 resellers.

Ben M. Schorr
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com<http://www.rolandschorr.com> | 
www.officeforlawyers.com<http://www.officeforlawyers.com> | Twitter: @bschorr

From: David [mailto:blazer...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 9:42
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

Did you drill down far enough on the 365 site to see that you can get 
stand-alone hosted email for $5/month?  I'm working a project for a company and 
that's one of the services we recommend if they're going to 365.

David


On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Tom Miller 
mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org>> wrote:
Anyone on the list using "cloud" services?  I looked at Office 365 and found it 
to be far more expensive than what I pay now.  But, I can see replicating my 
web sites and databases to a cloud just for the space.

>>> Ken Schaefer mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> 
>>> 11/2/2011 10:57 PM >>>

Really?

Gartner is saying that Cloud has entered the "meaningless hype" stage...
http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/its-official-cloud-computing-now-meaningless-169416

CIOs and CEOs still pay attention to this stuff because at least there is some 
effort to justify the conclusion. Most IT people I've run into couldn't write a 
business case to save their lives.

Cheers
Ken

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com<mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011 11:47 PM
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Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Yeah...their track record isn't great (particularly over the last couple 
years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is 
promoting the Cloud like there's nothing else.  3 years ago it was 
"outsourcing".  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house because 
they realized...  "Oops" that didn't work.

You just have to be very careful with "industry" information.  It can be just 
as politically motivated as anything else.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:24 AM
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Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily 
subverted questions.
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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Tada...

Particularly Gartner's, IMO...

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Or just make them up...as 95% of all statistics are.

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You're going to want to check with the research firms:

Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)


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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread Ben Scott 
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Jonathan Link  wrote:
>> Banjos Rock!  Stereotypes suck.
>
> Shooky said stuff like that all the time.

  I think you mean Shooky said stuff like that 98.7% of the time.

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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread Jonathan Link 
Rounding error.

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Jonathan Link 
> wrote:
> >> Banjos Rock!  Stereotypes suck.
> >
> > Shooky said stuff like that all the time.
>
>  I think you mean Shooky said stuff like that 98.7% of the time.
>
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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread Kim Longenbaugh 
This just in, "November declared OT month for NTSYSADMIN List!"

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On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Jonathan Link  wrote:
>> Banjos Rock!  Stereotypes suck.
>
> Shooky said stuff like that all the time.

  I think you mean Shooky said stuff like that 98.7% of the time.

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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread RichardMcClary 
Well there is Apple OS-X...



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I probably shouldn't hold it against them, but I still remember back in 
the '90s when Gartner was saying that within five years all computers 
would be running the Unix OS.  I can't say I've ever had much faith in 
their 'predictions'.

David



On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
Really?
 
Gartner is saying that Cloud has entered the ?meaningless hype? stage?
http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/its-official-cloud-computing-now-meaningless-169416
 
CIOs and CEOs still pay attention to this stuff because at least there is 
some effort to justify the conclusion. Most IT people I?ve run into 
couldn?t write a business case to save their lives.
 
Cheers
Ken
 
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011 11:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT
 
Yeah?their track record isn?t great (particularly over the last couple 
years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is 
promoting the Cloud like there?s nothing else.  3 years ago it was 
?outsourcing?.  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house 
because they realized...  ?Oops? that didn?t work.
 
You just have to be very careful with ?industry? information.  It can be 
just as politically motivated as anything else.
 
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT
 
To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily 
subverted questions.

ASB
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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:
Tada?
 
Particularly Gartner?s, IMO?
 
From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
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Or just make them up?as 95% of all statistics are.
 
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT
 
You're going to want to check with the research firms:
 
Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)
 
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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread RichardMcClary 
And you're 95% confident of that with .001 < p < .01?



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On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Jonathan Link  
wrote:
>> Banjos Rock!  Stereotypes suck.
>
> Shooky said stuff like that all the time.

  I think you mean Shooky said stuff like that 98.7% of the time.

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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread Mathew Shember 
Do we need a month?

It only seems to happen 2.3% of the time.


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This just in, "November declared OT month for NTSYSADMIN List!"

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On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Jonathan Link  wrote:
>> Banjos Rock!  Stereotypes suck.
>
> Shooky said stuff like that all the time.

  I think you mean Shooky said stuff like that 98.7% of the time.

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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread Jonathan Link 
You mean 2.3% of the time we're on-topic, right?

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Mathew Shember
wrote:

> Do we need a month?
>
> It only seems to happen 2.3% of the time.
>
>
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>
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>
> I hate McDonald's, but I'm lovin' this.
>
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> wrote:
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> >
> > Shooky said stuff like that all the time.
>
>  I think you mean Shooky said stuff like that 98.7% of the time.
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2011-11-03 Thread Mathew Shember 
We think we are 97.7% of the time.

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
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You mean 2.3% of the time we're on-topic, right?
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Mathew Shember 
mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com>> wrote:
Do we need a month?

It only seems to happen 2.3% of the time.


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On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Jonathan Link 
mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Banjos Rock!  Stereotypes suck.
>
> Shooky said stuff like that all the time.

 I think you mean Shooky said stuff like that 98.7% of the time.

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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread David 
That's true, though you get phone support on the $5 plan, no phone support
on the P1 plan.  Just depends on what you need.



On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Ben M. Schorr  wrote:

>  If you’re going to pay $5/mo for the hosted e-mail you might consider
> that adding SharePoint and Lync is only an add’l $1/mo at that point.
>
> ** **
>
> That said, if you don’t need to use Outlook you can get the Kiosk mode
> Exchange Online from Office 365 for only $2/user/mo.
>
> ** **
>
> Disclaimer: We’re Office 365 resellers.
>
> ** **
>
> Ben M. Schorr
>
> Roland Schorr & Tower
>
> www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* David [mailto:blazer...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 03, 2011 9:42
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Stats about IT
>
> ** **
>
> Did you drill down far enough on the 365 site to see that you can get
> stand-alone hosted email for $5/month?  I'm working a project for a company
> and that's one of the services we recommend if they're going to 365.
>
> David
>
>
> 
>
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Tom Miller  wrote:
>
> Anyone on the list using "cloud" services?  I looked at Office 365 and
> found it to be far more expensive than what I pay now.  But, I can see
> replicating my web sites and databases to a cloud just for the space.
>
> >>> Ken Schaefer  11/2/2011 10:57 PM >>>
>
> ** **
>
> Really?
>
>  
>
> Gartner is saying that Cloud has entered the “meaningless hype” stage…
>
>
> http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/its-official-cloud-computing-now-meaningless-169416
> 
>
>  
>
> CIOs and CEOs still pay attention to this stuff because at least there is
> some effort to justify the conclusion. Most IT people I’ve run into
> couldn’t write a business case to save their lives.
>
>  
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>  
>
> *From:* Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 2 November 2011 11:47 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Stats about IT
>
>  
>
> Yeah…their track record isn’t great (particularly over the last couple
> years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is
> promoting the Cloud like there’s nothing else.  3 years ago it was
> “outsourcing”.  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house because
> they realized...  “Oops” that didn’t work.****
>
>  ****
>
> You just have to be very careful with “industry” information.  It can be
> just as politically motivated as anything else.
>
>  
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:24 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Stats about IT
>
>  
>
> To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily
> subverted questions.
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
>  
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> 
>
> Tada…
>
>  
>
> Particularly Gartner’s, IMO…
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Stats about IT
>
>  
>
> Or just make them up…as 95% of all statistics are.
>
>  
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Stats about IT
>
>  
>
> You're going to want to check with the research firms:
>
>  
>
> Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)
>
>  
>
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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread Michael B. Smith 
Shooky still says stuff like that "often". :-) Just not here, unfortunately

Regards,

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>
> Shooky said stuff like that all the time.

  I think you mean Shooky said stuff like that 98.7% of the time.

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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread Michael B. Smith 
You should've been at Connections this year. :)

I gave a 75 minute presentation on Office 365 "Lessons Learned" and caveats.

(Note: I am not - and was not - bashing Office 365. It has applicability for 
many companies. But I'm seeing other companies getting into it without actually 
knowing what they are signing up for.)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David [mailto:blazer...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

Did you drill down far enough on the 365 site to see that you can get 
stand-alone hosted email for $5/month?  I'm working a project for a company and 
that's one of the services we recommend if they're going to 365.

David


On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Tom Miller 
mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org>> wrote:
Anyone on the list using "cloud" services?  I looked at Office 365 and found it 
to be far more expensive than what I pay now.  But, I can see replicating my 
web sites and databases to a cloud just for the space.

>>> Ken Schaefer mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> 
>>> 11/2/2011 10:57 PM >>>

Really?

Gartner is saying that Cloud has entered the "meaningless hype" stage...
http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/its-official-cloud-computing-now-meaningless-169416

CIOs and CEOs still pay attention to this stuff because at least there is some 
effort to justify the conclusion. Most IT people I've run into couldn't write a 
business case to save their lives.

Cheers
Ken

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com<mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011 11:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Yeah...their track record isn't great (particularly over the last couple 
years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is 
promoting the Cloud like there's nothing else.  3 years ago it was 
"outsourcing".  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house because 
they realized...  "Oops" that didn't work.

You just have to be very careful with "industry" information.  It can be just 
as politically motivated as anything else.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily 
subverted questions.
ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Tada...

Particularly Gartner's, IMO...

From: Kim Longenbaugh 
[mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com<mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Or just make them up...as 95% of all statistics are.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

You're going to want to check with the research firms:

Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)


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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread John Cook 
Like deleted items retention :-)
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 03:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

You should’ve been at Connections this year. ☺

I gave a 75 minute presentation on Office 365 “Lessons Learned� and caveats.

(Note: I am not – and was not – bashing Office 365. It has applicability for 
many companies. But I’m seeing other companies getting into it without actually 
knowing what they are signing up for.)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David [mailto:blazer...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

Did you drill down far enough on the 365 site to see that you can get 
stand-alone hosted email for $5/month?  I'm working a project for a company and 
that's one of the services we recommend if they're going to 365.

David


On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Tom Miller 
mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org>> wrote:
Anyone on the list using "cloud" services?  I looked at Office 365 and found it 
to be far more expensive than what I pay now.  But, I can see replicating my 
web sites and databases to a cloud just for the space.

>>> Ken Schaefer mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> 
>>> 11/2/2011 10:57 PM >>>

Really?

Gartner is saying that Cloud has entered the “meaningless hype� stage…
http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/its-official-cloud-computing-now-meaningless-169416

CIOs and CEOs still pay attention to this stuff because at least there is some 
effort to justify the conclusion. Most IT people I’ve run into couldn’t write a 
business case to save their lives.

Cheers
Ken

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com<mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011 11:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Yeah…their track record isn’t great (particularly over the last couple years), 
however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is promoting the 
Cloud like there’s nothing else.  3 years ago it was “outsourcing�.  Now, 
companies are bringing resources back in-house because they realized...  
“Oops� that didn’t work.

You just have to be very careful with “industry� information.  It can be just 
as politically motivated as anything else.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily 
subverted questions.
ASB

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Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…


On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Tada…

Particularly Gartner’s, IMO…

From: Kim Longenbaugh 
[mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com<mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Or just make them up…as 95% of all statistics are.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

You're going to want to check with the research firms:

Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)


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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread Michael B. Smith 
I presume you are referring to Office Web Apps? I agree with you.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

My Dad bought a new PC without Office, and then wanted to be able to write 
docs, use xls, etc.  I got him up and running on Office 365.  There is a huge 
learning curve, and I don’t think he may ever get it completely.  You would 
think that Microsoft would do a better job with the interface.  Its clumsy.

From: Webster 
[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]<mailto:[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

I use Office 365 for my carlwebster.com domain and am happy with the service.  
$6/month is not bad for a one man shop.  I don’t have to bug MBS hardly ever 
now about all my e-mail issues when my e-mail was on a GoDaddy server.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>


From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]<mailto:[mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Anyone on the list using "cloud" services?  I looked at Office 365 and found it 
to be far more expensive than what I pay now.  But, I can see replicating my 
web sites and databases to a cloud just for the space.

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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread Michael B. Smith 
You may be shocked to know that the signup process is greatly simplified over 
when you did it, just a few months ago.

And for all the major domain resellers, you are provided step by step 
instructions on how to validate those domains to O365. I had a full demo 
prepped for one of my presentations here at Connections to do a full deployment 
of O365 for a domain. It takes less than 10 minutes.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

I use Office 365 for my carlwebster.com domain and am happy with the service.  
$6/month is not bad for a one man shop.  I don’t have to bug MBS hardly ever 
now about all my e-mail issues when my e-mail was on a GoDaddy server.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>


From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]<mailto:[mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Anyone on the list using "cloud" services?  I looked at Office 365 and found it 
to be far more expensive than what I pay now.  But, I can see replicating my 
web sites and databases to a cloud just for the space.

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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread Michael B. Smith 
Jim McBee made a presentation at Connections this week on costing out 
“cloudsourcing”. His %DAYJOB% had recently gone through an exhaustive study 
attempting to include EVERYTHING involved hosting a HA/FT solution compared and 
contrasted to having a cloud provider do it for them.

Unfortunately, I didn’t get to see his presentation, but he and I talked about 
it and I know he included cost items for cost of power per KWH, cost of AC per 
cubic ton at a specific temperature, amount of heat generated per server, per 
disk, per switch, etc.etc. Doing the analysis properly can involve quite a bit 
of work…

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 6:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Anyone on the list using "cloud" services?  I looked at Office 365 and found it 
to be far more expensive than what I pay now.  But, I can see replicating my 
web sites and databases to a cloud just for the space.

>>> Ken Schaefer mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> 
>>> 11/2/2011 10:57 PM >>>
Really?

Gartner is saying that Cloud has entered the “meaningless hype” stage…
http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/its-official-cloud-computing-now-meaningless-169416

CIOs and CEOs still pay attention to this stuff because at least there is some 
effort to justify the conclusion. Most IT people I’ve run into couldn’t write a 
business case to save their lives.

Cheers
Ken

From: Rod Trent 
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]<mailto:[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011 11:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Yeah…their track record isn’t great (particularly over the last couple years), 
however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is promoting the 
Cloud like there’s nothing else.  3 years ago it was “outsourcing”.  Now, 
companies are bringing resources back in-house because they realized...  “Oops” 
that didn’t work.

You just have to be very careful with “industry” information.  It can be just 
as politically motivated as anything else.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily 
subverted questions.
ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…


On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Tada…

Particularly Gartner’s, IMO…

From: Kim Longenbaugh 
[mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com<mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Or just make them up…as 95% of all statistics are.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

You're going to want to check with the research firms:

Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)


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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread Rod Trent 
Office 365 is all web apps, even though it installs some components locally.

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

I presume you are referring to Office Web Apps? I agree with you.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

My Dad bought a new PC without Office, and then wanted to be able to write 
docs, use xls, etc.  I got him up and running on Office 365.  There is a huge 
learning curve, and I don’t think he may ever get it completely.  You would 
think that Microsoft would do a better job with the interface.  Its clumsy.

 

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

I use Office 365 for my carlwebster.com domain and am happy with the service.  
$6/month is not bad for a one man shop.  I don’t have to bug MBS hardly ever 
now about all my e-mail issues when my e-mail was on a GoDaddy server.

 

 

Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/> 

 

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 5:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

Anyone on the list using "cloud" services?  I looked at Office 365 and found it 
to be far more expensive than what I pay now.  But, I can see replicating my 
web sites and databases to a cloud just for the space.  

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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-03 Thread Ken Schaefer 
Communities only reflect a portion of what's going on as well.

There's a certain demographic of the IT industry that seems to participate in 
communities.

Cheers
Ken

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011 7:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Do some searches for "gartner cloud" and look at some more recent articles.  
Even though the graphic in that article was only July 2011, that's really a 
long time in hype cycles.

If someone were smart, they'd find a way to automate data accumulation from 
communities and develop a real world research org.  It would be nice to see 
"what the industry says" versus "what's really going on".

From: Ken Schaefer 
[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]<mailto:[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Really?

Gartner is saying that Cloud has entered the "meaningless hype" stage...
http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/its-official-cloud-computing-now-meaningless-169416

CIOs and CEOs still pay attention to this stuff because at least there is some 
effort to justify the conclusion. Most IT people I've run into couldn't write a 
business case to save their lives.

Cheers
Ken

From: Rod Trent 
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]<mailto:[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011 11:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Yeah...their track record isn't great (particularly over the last couple 
years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is 
promoting the Cloud like there's nothing else.  3 years ago it was 
"outsourcing".  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house because 
they realized...  "Oops" that didn't work.

You just have to be very careful with "industry" information.  It can be just 
as politically motivated as anything else.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily 
subverted questions.
ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Tada...

Particularly Gartner's, IMO...

From: Kim Longenbaugh 
[mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com<mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Or just make them up...as 95% of all statistics are.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

You're going to want to check with the research firms:

Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)




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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-04 Thread Webster 
Shooky Baby is extremely busy with his job at Peak10.  The night we met, I 
worked until 7:30PM, met Shooky at 8, we left Chili's at 9:45 and Shooky headed 
back to the office.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
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From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 6:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

I was beginning to wonder what the hell happened to Shookie! Good to know he is 
alive and kickin...

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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-04 Thread Ziots, Edward 
Shookie is an animal... a little crazy working till 9:00pm plus, even in
these days...

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

CISSP, Network +, Security +

Security Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email:ezi...@lifespan.org

Cell:401-639-3505

 

 

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 7:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

Shooky Baby is extremely busy with his job at Peak10.  The night we met,
I worked until 7:30PM, met Shooky at 8, we left Chili's at 9:45 and
Shooky headed back to the office.

 

 

Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/> 

 

 

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 6:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

I was beginning to wonder what the hell happened to Shookie! Good to
know he is alive and kickin...

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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-04 Thread Rod Trent 
There's a very small portion now that do not participate in a community
somewhere.  And, those that do participate in communities tend to do better
in their jobs and have a longer IT career.  So, I'm pretty sure the
demographic that does participate would have value and probably provide
better input than the small portion of those that don't.

 

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 11:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

Communities only reflect a portion of what's going on as well. 

 

There's a certain demographic of the IT industry that seems to participate
in communities.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011 7:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

Do some searches for "gartner cloud" and look at some more recent articles.
Even though the graphic in that article was only July 2011, that's really a
long time in hype cycles.

 

If someone were smart, they'd find a way to automate data accumulation from
communities and develop a real world research org.  It would be nice to see
"what the industry says" versus "what's really going on".

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

Really?

 

Gartner is saying that Cloud has entered the "meaningless hype" stage.

http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/its-official-cloud-computing-now-
meaningless-169416

 

CIOs and CEOs still pay attention to this stuff because at least there is
some effort to justify the conclusion. Most IT people I've run into couldn't
write a business case to save their lives.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011 11:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

Yeah.their track record isn't great (particularly over the last couple
years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is
promoting the Cloud like there's nothing else.  3 years ago it was
"outsourcing".  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house because
they realized...  "Oops" that didn't work.

 

You just have to be very careful with "industry" information.  It can be
just as politically motivated as anything else.

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

 

To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily
subverted questions.



ASB


http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker


Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market.

 

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:

Tada.

 

Particularly Gartner's, IMO.

 

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

Or just make them up.as 95% of all statistics are.

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

 

You're going to want to check with the research firms:

 

Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)

 

 

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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-04 Thread John Hornbuckle 
Now I feel bad. I consider it to be a long day if I work until 5:00.


John



From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 7:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Shooky Baby is extremely busy with his job at Peak10.  The night we met, I 
worked until 7:30PM, met Shooky at 8, we left Chili's at 9:45 and Shooky headed 
back to the office.


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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-04 Thread Ziots, Edward 
That is a short day for me, its usually 7:15am to 6:00pm at the least...

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

CISSP, Network +, Security +

Security Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email:ezi...@lifespan.org

Cell:401-639-3505

 

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 8:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

Now I feel bad. I consider it to be a long day if I work until 5:00.

 

 

John

 

 

 

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 7:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

Shooky Baby is extremely busy with his job at Peak10.  The night we met,
I worked until 7:30PM, met Shooky at 8, we left Chili's at 9:45 and
Shooky headed back to the office.

 

 

Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/> 

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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-04 Thread John Hornbuckle 
Ouch!

My job may not pay much or provide opportunities for advancement, but it has 
one thing going for it: my employers don't expect my job to be my life.


John


From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

That is a short day for me, its usually 7:15am to 6:00pm at the least...
Z

Edward E. Ziots
CISSP, Network +, Security +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Email:ezi...@lifespan.org
Cell:401-639-3505
[cid:image001.jpg@01CC9AD1.0A01BC30]

From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]<mailto:[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]>
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 8:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Now I feel bad. I consider it to be a long day if I work until 5:00.


John



From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 7:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Shooky Baby is extremely busy with his job at Peak10.  The night we met, I 
worked until 7:30PM, met Shooky at 8, we left Chili's at 9:45 and Shooky headed 
back to the office.


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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-04 Thread John Hornbuckle 
Good grief... How did all of that junk get in my message? I'm embarrassed.



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Speaking of Gartner, I just read this:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/service-oriented/does-information-technology-crea=
te-or-destroy-jobs-or-is-this-even-the-right-question/7939?tag=3Dnl.e539

It quotes a Gartner analyst as saying that "most of what the CFO, CEO and m= 
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Now, I know that upper management has a reputation for being dumber than a = 
box of rocks (thanks, Dilbert!). But the reality is that there are plenty o= f 
enterprise leaders with a great deal of wisdom, and they apply that wisdo= m to 
their jobs. We're way more than a couple of decades away from computer= s 
having or emulating wisdom, and a Gartner analyst who thinks otherwise ha= s 
probably spent too much time watching The Jetsons.



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us




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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-04 Thread Webster 
That was a special event.  A high security client had moved their stuff into 
the Peak10 data center where Shooky works and he had to document servers that 
were extremely locked down.  Had to document all the servers manually.  PITA I 
am sure.


Carl Webster
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From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 7:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Shookie is an animal... a little crazy working till 9:00pm plus, even in these 
days...

Z

Edward E. Ziots
CISSP, Network +, Security +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Email:ezi...@lifespan.org
Cell:401-639-3505
[CISSP_logo]

From: Webster 
[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]<mailto:[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]>
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 7:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Shooky Baby is extremely busy with his job at Peak10.  The night we met, I 
worked until 7:30PM, met Shooky at 8, we left Chili's at 9:45 and Shooky headed 
back to the office.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>


From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 6:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

I was beginning to wonder what the hell happened to Shookie! Good to know he is 
alive and kickin...

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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-04 Thread Michael B. Smith 
I bet you replied to a message that was in your sent items folder.

Am I right?

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Good grief... How did all of that junk get in my message? I'm embarrassed.



-Original Message-
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To: NT System Admin Issues
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Speaking of Gartner, I just read this:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/service-oriented/does-information-technology-crea=
te-or-destroy-jobs-or-is-this-even-the-right-question/7939?tag=3Dnl.e539

It quotes a Gartner analyst as saying that "most of what the CFO, CEO and m= 
anagers do today will be done better by machines" within a couple of decade= s.
Now, I know that upper management has a reputation for being dumber than a = 
box of rocks (thanks, Dilbert!). But the reality is that there are plenty o= f 
enterprise leaders with a great deal of wisdom, and they apply that wisdo= m to 
their jobs. We're way more than a couple of decades away from computer= s 
having or emulating wisdom, and a Gartner analyst who thinks otherwise ha= s 
probably spent too much time watching The Jetsons.



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us




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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-04 Thread Webster 
Did you tell someone to not touch your junk?


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com


> -Original Message-
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 8:52 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT
> 
> Good grief... How did all of that junk get in my message? I'm embarrassed.



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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-04 Thread John Hornbuckle 
That was 30 minutes ago. I can barely remember what happened 30 SECONDS ago.


-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

I bet you replied to a message that was in your sent items folder.

Am I right?

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
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-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:52 AM
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Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Good grief... How did all of that junk get in my message? I'm embarrassed.



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Speaking of Gartner, I just read this:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/service-oriented/does-information-technology-crea=
te-or-destroy-jobs-or-is-this-even-the-right-question/7939?tag=3Dnl.e539

It quotes a Gartner analyst as saying that "most of what the CFO, CEO and m= 
anagers do today will be done better by machines" within a couple of decade= s.
Now, I know that upper management has a reputation for being dumber than a = 
box of rocks (thanks, Dilbert!). But the reality is that there are plenty o= f 
enterprise leaders with a great deal of wisdom, and they apply that wisdo= m to 
their jobs. We're way more than a couple of decades away from computer= s 
having or emulating wisdom, and a Gartner analyst who thinks otherwise ha= s 
probably spent too much time watching The Jetsons.



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us




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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-04 Thread David Lum 
+1  That's HUGE. %dayjob% is same, %formerdayjob% was not.

I might not get promoted and work with some weird issues but the benefits and 
not expected to give my life for my company more than make up for it.

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 6:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Ouch!

My job may not pay much or provide opportunities for advancement, but it has 
one thing going for it: my employers don't expect my job to be my life.


John


From: Ziots, Edward 
[mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]<mailto:[mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]>
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

That is a short day for me, its usually 7:15am to 6:00pm at the least...
Z

Edward E. Ziots
CISSP, Network +, Security +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Email:ezi...@lifespan.org
Cell:401-639-3505
[cid:image001.jpg@01CC9ACD.1FB99150]

From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]<mailto:[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]>
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 8:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Now I feel bad. I consider it to be a long day if I work until 5:00.


John



From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 7:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Shooky Baby is extremely busy with his job at Peak10.  The night we met, I 
worked until 7:30PM, met Shooky at 8, we left Chili's at 9:45 and Shooky headed 
back to the office.


Carl Webster
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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-04 Thread Ken Schaefer 
I see very little enterprise architecture and integration involvement in 
communities. I see more technical line-level engineering and development 
questions/answers.

Cheers
Ken

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Friday, 4 November 2011 8:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

There's a very small portion now that do not participate in a community 
somewhere.  And, those that do participate in communities tend to do better in 
their jobs and have a longer IT career.  So, I'm pretty sure the demographic 
that does participate would have value and probably provide better input than 
the small portion of those that don't.


From: Ken Schaefer 
[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]<mailto:[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 11:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Communities only reflect a portion of what's going on as well.

There's a certain demographic of the IT industry that seems to participate in 
communities.

Cheers
Ken

From: Rod Trent 
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]<mailto:[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]>
Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011 7:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Do some searches for "gartner cloud" and look at some more recent articles.  
Even though the graphic in that article was only July 2011, that's really a 
long time in hype cycles.

If someone were smart, they'd find a way to automate data accumulation from 
communities and develop a real world research org.  It would be nice to see 
"what the industry says" versus "what's really going on".

From: Ken Schaefer 
[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]<mailto:[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Really?

Gartner is saying that Cloud has entered the "meaningless hype" stage...
http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/its-official-cloud-computing-now-meaningless-169416

CIOs and CEOs still pay attention to this stuff because at least there is some 
effort to justify the conclusion. Most IT people I've run into couldn't write a 
business case to save their lives.

Cheers
Ken

From: Rod Trent 
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]<mailto:[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011 11:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Yeah...their track record isn't great (particularly over the last couple 
years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is 
promoting the Cloud like there's nothing else.  3 years ago it was 
"outsourcing".  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house because 
they realized...  "Oops" that didn't work.

You just have to be very careful with "industry" information.  It can be just 
as politically motivated as anything else.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily 
subverted questions.
ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Tada...

Particularly Gartner's, IMO...

From: Kim Longenbaugh 
[mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com<mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Or just make them up...as 95% of all statistics are.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

You're going to want to check with the research firms:

Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)




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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-04 Thread David Lum 
I just challenged our Service Desk team to get involved any IT community. We 
have 5 Service Desk guys and about 10 Systems Engineer's and to my knowledge 
only one other (none of the SD guys) are connected to any IT communities of any 
sort, be it listmail, forums, newsgroups, etc. Pretty small percentage...

Dave

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

I see very little enterprise architecture and integration involvement in 
communities. I see more technical line-level engineering and development 
questions/answers.

Cheers
Ken

From: Rod Trent 
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]<mailto:[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]>
Sent: Friday, 4 November 2011 8:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

There's a very small portion now that do not participate in a community 
somewhere.  And, those that do participate in communities tend to do better in 
their jobs and have a longer IT career.  So, I'm pretty sure the demographic 
that does participate would have value and probably provide better input than 
the small portion of those that don't.


From: Ken Schaefer 
[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]<mailto:[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 11:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Communities only reflect a portion of what's going on as well.

There's a certain demographic of the IT industry that seems to participate in 
communities.

Cheers
Ken

From: Rod Trent 
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]<mailto:[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]>
Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011 7:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Do some searches for "gartner cloud" and look at some more recent articles.  
Even though the graphic in that article was only July 2011, that's really a 
long time in hype cycles.

If someone were smart, they'd find a way to automate data accumulation from 
communities and develop a real world research org.  It would be nice to see 
"what the industry says" versus "what's really going on".

From: Ken Schaefer 
[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]<mailto:[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Really?

Gartner is saying that Cloud has entered the "meaningless hype" stage...
http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/its-official-cloud-computing-now-meaningless-169416

CIOs and CEOs still pay attention to this stuff because at least there is some 
effort to justify the conclusion. Most IT people I've run into couldn't write a 
business case to save their lives.

Cheers
Ken

From: Rod Trent 
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]<mailto:[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011 11:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Yeah...their track record isn't great (particularly over the last couple 
years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is 
promoting the Cloud like there's nothing else.  3 years ago it was 
"outsourcing".  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house because 
they realized...  "Oops" that didn't work.

You just have to be very careful with "industry" information.  It can be just 
as politically motivated as anything else.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily 
subverted questions.
ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Tada...

Particularly Gartner's, IMO...

From: Kim Longenbaugh 
[mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com<mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Or just make them up...as 95% of all statistics are.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

You're going to want to check with the research firms:

Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)




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Re: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-04 Thread John Cook 
We were interviewing a few months ago and we specifically asked whether they 
were members of any such group - 0 out of 10 responded yes.
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 01:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

I just challenged our Service Desk team to get involved any IT community. We 
have 5 Service Desk guys and about 10 Systems Engineer’s and to my knowledge 
only one other (none of the SD guys) are connected to any IT communities of any 
sort, be it listmail, forums, newsgroups, etc. Pretty small percentage…

Dave

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

I see very little enterprise architecture and integration involvement in 
communities. I see more technical line-level engineering and development 
questions/answers.

Cheers
Ken

From: Rod Trent 
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]<mailto:[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]>
Sent: Friday, 4 November 2011 8:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

There’s a very small portion now that do not participate in a community 
somewhere.  And, those that do participate in communities tend to do better in 
their jobs and have a longer IT career.  So, I’m pretty sure the demographic 
that does participate would have value and probably provide better input than 
the small portion of those that don’t.


From: Ken Schaefer 
[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]<mailto:[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 11:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Communities only reflect a portion of what’s going on as well.

There’s a certain demographic of the IT industry that seems to participate in 
communities.

Cheers
Ken

From: Rod Trent 
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]<mailto:[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]>
Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011 7:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Do some searches for “gartner cloud� and look at some more recent articles.  
Even though the graphic in that article was only July 2011, that’s really a 
long time in hype cycles.

If someone were smart, they’d find a way to automate data accumulation from 
communities and develop a real world research org.  It would be nice to see 
“what the industry says� versus “what’s really going on�.

From: Ken Schaefer 
[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]<mailto:[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Really?

Gartner is saying that Cloud has entered the “meaningless hype� stage…
http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/its-official-cloud-computing-now-meaningless-169416

CIOs and CEOs still pay attention to this stuff because at least there is some 
effort to justify the conclusion. Most IT people I’ve run into couldn’t write a 
business case to save their lives.

Cheers
Ken

From: Rod Trent 
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]<mailto:[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011 11:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Yeah…their track record isn’t great (particularly over the last couple years), 
however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is promoting the 
Cloud like there’s nothing else.  3 years ago it was “outsourcing�.  Now, 
companies are bringing resources back in-house because they realized...  
“Oops� that didn’t work.

You just have to be very careful with “industry� information.  It can be just 
as politically motivated as anything else.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily 
subverted questions.
ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…


On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Tada…

Particularly Gartner’s, IMO…

From: Kim Longenbaugh 
[mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com<mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Or just make them up…as 95% of all statistics are.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

You're going to want to check with the research firms:

Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)




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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-04 Thread Free, Bob 
Concur 100%. Granted there are some notable exceptions but by and large I 
really have to agree with you.

Even many of the so-called "architect" and "enterprise" communities are really 
kind of a joke when it comes to deriving any value that makes it worthwhile to 
participate. You get people asking totally lame questions they should be able 
to figure out in their spare bedroom lab or a few minutes on google, 
recruiters, sales droids hawking their wares etc and the truly knowledgeable 
folks move on because of the high noise/sig ratio.


From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 9:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

I see very little enterprise architecture and integration involvement in 
communities. I see more technical line-level engineering and development 
questions/answers.

Cheers
Ken

From: Rod Trent 
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]<mailto:[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]>
Sent: Friday, 4 November 2011 8:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

There's a very small portion now that do not participate in a community 
somewhere.  And, those that do participate in communities tend to do better in 
their jobs and have a longer IT career.  So, I'm pretty sure the demographic 
that does participate would have value and probably provide better input than 
the small portion of those that don't.


From: Ken Schaefer 
[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]<mailto:[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 11:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Communities only reflect a portion of what's going on as well.

There's a certain demographic of the IT industry that seems to participate in 
communities.

Cheers
Ken

From: Rod Trent 
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]<mailto:[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]>
Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011 7:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Do some searches for "gartner cloud" and look at some more recent articles.  
Even though the graphic in that article was only July 2011, that's really a 
long time in hype cycles.

If someone were smart, they'd find a way to automate data accumulation from 
communities and develop a real world research org.  It would be nice to see 
"what the industry says" versus "what's really going on".

From: Ken Schaefer 
[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]<mailto:[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Really?

Gartner is saying that Cloud has entered the "meaningless hype" stage...
http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/its-official-cloud-computing-now-meaningless-169416

CIOs and CEOs still pay attention to this stuff because at least there is some 
effort to justify the conclusion. Most IT people I've run into couldn't write a 
business case to save their lives.

Cheers
Ken

From: Rod Trent 
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]<mailto:[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011 11:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Yeah...their track record isn't great (particularly over the last couple 
years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is 
promoting the Cloud like there's nothing else.  3 years ago it was 
"outsourcing".  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house because 
they realized...  "Oops" that didn't work.

You just have to be very careful with "industry" information.  It can be just 
as politically motivated as anything else.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily 
subverted questions.
ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Tada...

Particularly Gartner's, IMO...

From: Kim Longenbaugh 
[mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com<mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Or just make them up...as 95% of all statistics are.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

You're going to want to check with the research firms:

Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)




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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-04 Thread Rod Trent 
I work in communities.

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

I see very little enterprise architecture and integration involvement in
communities. I see more technical line-level engineering and development
questions/answers.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Friday, 4 November 2011 8:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

There's a very small portion now that do not participate in a community
somewhere.  And, those that do participate in communities tend to do better
in their jobs and have a longer IT career.  So, I'm pretty sure the
demographic that does participate would have value and probably provide
better input than the small portion of those that don't.

 

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 11:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

Communities only reflect a portion of what's going on as well. 

 

There's a certain demographic of the IT industry that seems to participate
in communities.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011 7:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

Do some searches for "gartner cloud" and look at some more recent articles.
Even though the graphic in that article was only July 2011, that's really a
long time in hype cycles.

 

If someone were smart, they'd find a way to automate data accumulation from
communities and develop a real world research org.  It would be nice to see
"what the industry says" versus "what's really going on".

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

Really?

 

Gartner is saying that Cloud has entered the "meaningless hype" stage.

http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/its-official-cloud-computing-now-
meaningless-169416

 

CIOs and CEOs still pay attention to this stuff because at least there is
some effort to justify the conclusion. Most IT people I've run into couldn't
write a business case to save their lives.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011 11:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

Yeah.their track record isn't great (particularly over the last couple
years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is
promoting the Cloud like there's nothing else.  3 years ago it was
"outsourcing".  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house because
they realized...  "Oops" that didn't work.

 

You just have to be very careful with "industry" information.  It can be
just as politically motivated as anything else.

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

 

To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily
subverted questions.



ASB


http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker


Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market.

 

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:

Tada.

 

Particularly Gartner's, IMO.

 

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

 

Or just make them up.as 95% of all statistics are.

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

 

You're going to want to check with the research firms:

 

Gartner, IDC, Forrester, ITIC, etc (http://itic-corp.com/)

 

 

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RE: [OT] Stats about IT

2011-11-06 Thread Ken Schaefer 
I don't think you're statistically significant :)

I've seen very few enterprise communities - where people who do senior 
architect, engineering or operation roles for 5 digit plus user bases (let's 
say 25,000+ seats) participate actively. The challenges in enterprises that I 
see revolve around the (slow) pace of change, creating sustainable architect 
from day 1, integration between disparate products, scalability, change control 
etc. I agree with Bob's comment - not very many active communities in those 
areas that I've found.

Cheers
Ken

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2011 1:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

I work in communities.

From: Ken Schaefer 
[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]<mailto:[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]>
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

I see very little enterprise architecture and integration involvement in 
communities. I see more technical line-level engineering and development 
questions/answers.

Cheers
Ken

From: Rod Trent 
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]<mailto:[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]>
Sent: Friday, 4 November 2011 8:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

There's a very small portion now that do not participate in a community 
somewhere.  And, those that do participate in communities tend to do better in 
their jobs and have a longer IT career.  So, I'm pretty sure the demographic 
that does participate would have value and probably provide better input than 
the small portion of those that don't.


From: Ken Schaefer 
[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]<mailto:[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 11:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Communities only reflect a portion of what's going on as well.

There's a certain demographic of the IT industry that seems to participate in 
communities.

Cheers
Ken

From: Rod Trent 
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]<mailto:[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]>
Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011 7:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Do some searches for "gartner cloud" and look at some more recent articles.  
Even though the graphic in that article was only July 2011, that's really a 
long time in hype cycles.

If someone were smart, they'd find a way to automate data accumulation from 
communities and develop a real world research org.  It would be nice to see 
"what the industry says" versus "what's really going on".

From: Ken Schaefer 
[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]<mailto:[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Really?

Gartner is saying that Cloud has entered the "meaningless hype" stage...
http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/its-official-cloud-computing-now-meaningless-169416

CIOs and CEOs still pay attention to this stuff because at least there is some 
effort to justify the conclusion. Most IT people I've run into couldn't write a 
business case to save their lives.

Cheers
Ken

From: Rod Trent 
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]<mailto:[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2011 11:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Yeah...their track record isn't great (particularly over the last couple 
years), however, CIOs and CEOs still eat them up.  Gartner, right now, is 
promoting the Cloud like there's nothing else.  3 years ago it was 
"outsourcing".  Now, companies are bringing resources back in-house because 
they realized...  "Oops" that didn't work.

You just have to be very careful with "industry" information.  It can be just 
as politically motivated as anything else.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats about IT

To me, Gartner's stats are just derived from flawed research and easily 
subverted questions.
ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Tada...

Particularly Gartner's, IMO...

From: Kim Longenbaugh 
[mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com<mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:43 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] Stats about IT

Or just make them up...as 95% of all statistics are.

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] Stats abo