RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[David Mazzaccaro]

Good to know (I actually started this thread, and have yet to move to
VM)...


-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 4:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Looks like this (vRAM entitlement) will no longer be an issue.

http://www.crn.com/news/cloud/240005840/vmware-kills-vram-licensing-will
-fo
cus-on-vsphere-cloud-bundles.htm


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>






On 4/13/12 1:05 PM, "Paul Hutchings"  wrote:

>OK one more thing:
>
>vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere
Standard.
>
>Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.
>
>6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.
>
>So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and
>occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).
>
>From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
>Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>LOL
>Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
>Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck
out...
>
>> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
>
>Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
>it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100...
As
>long as I'm looking at the right memory.
>
>http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7
&
>Cat=RAM
>48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
>$8099.91
>
>Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
>Sm:)e.
>
>
>--Matt Ross
>Ephrata School District
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: David Mazzaccaro
>Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>
>> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
>> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
>solution:
>>
>> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
>> HP DL380 G7 E5660
>> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
>> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
>> Quad port gig adapter
>>
>> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
>> HP 2910
>>
>> 1 SAN ($22,700)
>> NetApp 2240
>> 12 x 600GB
>>
>> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>>
>> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
>> Server 2008 Datacenter
>>
>> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>>
>> $40k services
>> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
>> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>>
>> Total: $185,000
>>
>> Sound good?



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Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Andrew S. Baker]

Indeed.

Thanks for the update, Webster...


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On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

> Yeah, well, Server 2012 Hyper-V pretty much forced that.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 4:45 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> Looks like this (vRAM entitlement) will no longer be an issue.
>
> http://www.crn.com/news/cloud/240005840/vmware-kills-vram-licensing-will-fo
> cus-on-vsphere-cloud-bundles.htm
>
>
> Carl Webster
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/13/12 1:05 PM, "Paul Hutchings"  wrote:
>
> >OK one more thing:
> >
> >vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere Standard.
> >
> >Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.
> >
> >6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.
> >
> >So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and
> >occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).
> >
> >From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> >Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
> >
> >LOL
> >Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
> >Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
> >
> >I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...
> >
> >> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> >
> >Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
> >it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As
> >long as I'm looking at the right memory.
> >
> >http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
> >Cat=RAM
> >48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
> >$8099.91
> >
> >Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
> >Sm:)e.
> >
> >
> >--Matt Ross
> >Ephrata School District
> >
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: David Mazzaccaro
> >Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
> >
> >
> >> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> >> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
> >solution:
> >>
> >> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> >> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> >> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> >> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> >> Quad port gig adapter
> >>
> >> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> >> HP 2910
> >>
> >> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> >> NetApp 2240
> >> 12 x 600GB
> >>
> >> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
> >>
> >> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> >> Server 2008 Datacenter
> >>
> >> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
> >>
> >> $40k services
> >> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> >> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
> >>
> >> Total: $185,000
> >>
> >> Sound good?
>
>
>
>

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Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Andrew S. Baker]

VMWare had to do it.

Better late than never, but I expect they've lost a little bit of ground
that they didn't have to if they'd thought about it more clearly.

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On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:

> While we are not moving away from VMware now, we plan to continue with
> planned testing on Server 2012/HyperV v3 snice we pay data center licenses
> anyway.
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Webster  wrote:
>
>> Looks like this (vRAM entitlement) will no longer be an issue.
>>
>>
>> http://www.crn.com/news/cloud/240005840/vmware-kills-vram-licensing-will-fo
>> cus-on-vsphere-cloud-bundles.htm<http://www.crn.com/news/cloud/240005840/vmware-kills-vram-licensing-will-focus-on-vsphere-cloud-bundles.htm>
>>
>>
>> Carl Webster
>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/13/12 1:05 PM, "Paul Hutchings"  wrote:
>>
>> >OK one more thing:
>> >
>> >vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere Standard.
>> >
>> >Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.
>> >
>> >6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.
>> >
>> >So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and
>> >occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).
>> >
>> >From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
>> >Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>> >
>> >LOL
>> >Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)
>> >
>> >
>> >-Original Message-
>> >From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
>> >Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>> >
>> >I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...
>> >
>> >> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
>> >
>> >Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
>> >it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As
>> >long as I'm looking at the right memory.
>> >
>> >http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
>> >Cat=RAM
>> >48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
>> >$8099.91
>> >
>> >Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
>> >Sm:)e.
>> >
>> >
>> >--Matt Ross
>> >Ephrata School District
>> >
>> >
>> >- Original Message -
>> >From: David Mazzaccaro
>> >Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>> >
>> >
>> >> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
>> >> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
>> >solution:
>> >>
>> >> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
>> >> HP DL380 G7 E5660
>> >> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
>> >> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
>> >> Quad port gig adapter
>> >>
>> >> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
>> >> HP 2910
>> >>
>> >> 1 SAN ($22,700)
>> >> NetApp 2240
>> >> 12 x 600GB
>> >>
>> >> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>> >>
>> >> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
>> >> Server 2008 Datacenter
>> >>
>> >> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>> >>
>> >> $40k services
>> >> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
>> >> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>> >>
>> >> Total: $185,000
>> >>
>> >> Sound good?
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Webster]

I agree 100%.


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On 8/20/12 1:59 PM, "Michael B. Smith"  wrote:

>Yeah, well, Server 2012 Hyper-V pretty much forced that.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
>Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>Looks like this (vRAM entitlement) will no longer be an issue.
>
>http://www.crn.com/news/cloud/240005840/vmware-kills-vram-licensing-will-f
>ocus-on-vsphere-cloud-bundles.htm



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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Crawford, Scott]

Hmmm, a week after 2012 RTM'd.

-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 3:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Looks like this (vRAM entitlement) will no longer be an issue.

http://www.crn.com/news/cloud/240005840/vmware-kills-vram-licensing-will-fo
cus-on-vsphere-cloud-bundles.htm


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com 
<http://www.carlwebster.com/>






On 4/13/12 1:05 PM, "Paul Hutchings"  wrote:

>OK one more thing:
>
>vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere Standard.
>
>Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.
>
>6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.
>
>So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and 
>occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).
>
>From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
>Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>LOL
>Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
>Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...
>
>> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
>
>Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if 
>it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... 
>As long as I'm looking at the right memory.
>
>http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7
>&
>Cat=RAM
>48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
>$8099.91
>
>Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
>Sm:)e.
>
>
>--Matt Ross
>Ephrata School District
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: David Mazzaccaro
>Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>
>> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
>> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
>solution:
>>
>> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
>> HP DL380 G7 E5660
>> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
>> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
>> Quad port gig adapter
>>
>> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
>> HP 2910
>>
>> 1 SAN ($22,700)
>> NetApp 2240
>> 12 x 600GB
>>
>> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>>
>> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
>> Server 2008 Datacenter
>>
>> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>>
>> $40k services
>> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008 
>> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>>
>> Total: $185,000
>>
>> Sound good?



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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Michael B. Smith]

Yeah, well, Server 2012 Hyper-V pretty much forced that.

-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 4:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Looks like this (vRAM entitlement) will no longer be an issue.

http://www.crn.com/news/cloud/240005840/vmware-kills-vram-licensing-will-fo
cus-on-vsphere-cloud-bundles.htm


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>






On 4/13/12 1:05 PM, "Paul Hutchings"  wrote:

>OK one more thing:
>
>vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere Standard.
>
>Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.
>
>6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.
>
>So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and
>occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).
>
>From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
>Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>LOL
>Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
>Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...
>
>> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
>
>Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
>it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As
>long as I'm looking at the right memory.
>
>http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
>Cat=RAM
>48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
>$8099.91
>
>Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
>Sm:)e.
>
>
>--Matt Ross
>Ephrata School District
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: David Mazzaccaro
>Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>
>> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
>> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
>solution:
>>
>> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
>> HP DL380 G7 E5660
>> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
>> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
>> Quad port gig adapter
>>
>> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
>> HP 2910
>>
>> 1 SAN ($22,700)
>> NetApp 2240
>> 12 x 600GB
>>
>> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>>
>> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
>> Server 2008 Datacenter
>>
>> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>>
>> $40k services
>> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
>> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>>
>> Total: $185,000
>>
>> Sound good?



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Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Steven Peck]

While we are not moving away from VMware now, we plan to continue with
planned testing on Server 2012/HyperV v3 snice we pay data center licenses
anyway.

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Webster  wrote:

> Looks like this (vRAM entitlement) will no longer be an issue.
>
> http://www.crn.com/news/cloud/240005840/vmware-kills-vram-licensing-will-fo
> cus-on-vsphere-cloud-bundles.htm<http://www.crn.com/news/cloud/240005840/vmware-kills-vram-licensing-will-focus-on-vsphere-cloud-bundles.htm>
>
>
> Carl Webster
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/13/12 1:05 PM, "Paul Hutchings"  wrote:
>
> >OK one more thing:
> >
> >vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere Standard.
> >
> >Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.
> >
> >6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.
> >
> >So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and
> >occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).
> >____
> >From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> >Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
> >
> >LOL
> >Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
> >Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
> >
> >I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...
> >
> >> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> >
> >Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
> >it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As
> >long as I'm looking at the right memory.
> >
> >http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
> >Cat=RAM
> >48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
> >$8099.91
> >
> >Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
> >Sm:)e.
> >
> >
> >--Matt Ross
> >Ephrata School District
> >
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: David Mazzaccaro
> >Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
> >
> >
> >> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> >> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
> >solution:
> >>
> >> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> >> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> >> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> >> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> >> Quad port gig adapter
> >>
> >> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> >> HP 2910
> >>
> >> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> >> NetApp 2240
> >> 12 x 600GB
> >>
> >> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
> >>
> >> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> >> Server 2008 Datacenter
> >>
> >> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
> >>
> >> $40k services
> >> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> >> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
> >>
> >> Total: $185,000
> >>
> >> Sound good?
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
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Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Webster]

Looks like this (vRAM entitlement) will no longer be an issue.

http://www.crn.com/news/cloud/240005840/vmware-kills-vram-licensing-will-fo
cus-on-vsphere-cloud-bundles.htm


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>






On 4/13/12 1:05 PM, "Paul Hutchings"  wrote:

>OK one more thing:
>
>vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere Standard.
>
>Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.
>
>6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.
>
>So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and
>occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).
>
>From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
>Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>LOL
>Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)
>
>
>-Original Message-----
>From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
>Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...
>
>> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
>
>Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
>it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As
>long as I'm looking at the right memory.
>
>http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
>Cat=RAM
>48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
>$8099.91
>
>Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
>Sm:)e.
>
>
>--Matt Ross
>Ephrata School District
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: David Mazzaccaro
>Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>
>> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
>> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
>solution:
>>
>> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
>> HP DL380 G7 E5660
>> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
>> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
>> Quad port gig adapter
>>
>> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
>> HP 2910
>>
>> 1 SAN ($22,700)
>> NetApp 2240
>> 12 x 600GB
>>
>> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>>
>> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
>> Server 2008 Datacenter
>>
>> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>>
>> $40k services
>> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
>> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>>
>> Total: $185,000
>>
>> Sound good?



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Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Steven Peck]

The 2 day virtual launch event had a similiar question and he answered
with, SCVMM to manage your guests and vCenter to manage your hosts.  Manage
your guests as in deployments, patching etc.

I say this as a pass along.  I am still gathering the hardware to build my
own little 'private cloud' environment to see what it all looks like.  I
will say the demo looked pretty cool though.

Steven Peck
http://www.blkmtn.org



On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

>  SCVMM 2008 has limitations on what it can manage – so you’ll still be
> breaking out the VMware tools to manage your VMWare side. Dunno about SCVMM
> 2012
>
> ** **
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 April 2012 2:31 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> ** **
>
> System Center Virtual Machine Manager can manage both your VMWare and
> Hyper-V hosts...
>
>- http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh546770.aspx
>- http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg610610.aspx 
>
>  ** **
>
> And there are backup solutions which are pointed at your HyperV host and
> will backup all the guests, yes.
>
> ** **
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
>
>
> 
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Paul Hutchings <
> paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I didn't think you could point Veeam (or whatever HyperV aware backup app
> you're using) to a single entity like you can vCenter and have it backup
> every VM that's in your cluster?  If you can that's great to know as I
> always wondered how it coped with doing incremental backups of a VM when
> it's been moved between hosts if it addresses each host individually. 
>
> ** **
>
> On the domain point, so can you have several Hyper-V hosts that aren't
> domain members but still manage them as a single entity/cluster?  Basically
> what's the Hyper-V equivalent of a vCenter server?
>
> ** **
>
> Like I said I haven't used it but I thought those were both things about
> it that didn't seem quite as "polished" as VMware?
>   --
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 16 April 2012 4:55 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>  ** **
>
> *>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
> Hyper-V boxes individually?
> *
>
> No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party
> options here.
>
>
> *>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a
> "fun" situation if you have to power everything off and on again.
> *
> Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member. 
>
>   ** **
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
> ** **
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
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Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Kramer, Jack]

Just catching up on the list, and like everyone else I'm going to say it 
depends on your specs. We have 81 VMs spread across 4 hosts, 2 of which are 2x6 
cores (12 cores total) with 96 GB RAM, one 2x4 core (8 core total) with 96GB 
RAM, and one 2x4 core with 48 GB RAM. We have vSphere Enterprise so our vCenter 
handles VM-host allocation automatically. Yours will not, but live migrations 
are a click away so it's not a big deal. The environment contains our Exchange 
2010 server, two MSSQL servers, our web servers, a handful of very large file 
servers, some miscellaneous applications, and a VMware View VDI setup with five 
to ten simultaneous users. The entire cluster usually runs at about 10% 
utilization.

We spent the money we saved on host hardware on a redundant SAN—we have a 
primary/secondary configuration with live failover so should the primary go 
down the VMs continue operation.

Jack Kramer
Manager of Information Technology
Office of Communications and Brand Strategy
Michigan State University
w: 517-884-1231 / c: 248-635-4955

From: David Mazzaccaro 
mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>>
Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:24:03 -0400
To: NT System Admin Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts?
With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going to be 
overkill.
Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers…. Are 3 hosts a waste?



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Yes!

By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not your 
hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-)  And you may as well run a physical box 
for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box for DC.

The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to authenticate 
against and bring your environment back online.  At your size (three hosts, 
which is what I'm running) you probably don't need it, and can authenticate 
into the hosts and then start the guests that way.


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro 
mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>>
 wrote:
Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs, but 
you must have at least 1 physical.
2) Virtualize everything you can. You don’t need any physical boxes at all.  
Period.

Thoughts?


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V 
>> boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party options 
here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
>> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no 
particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware 
infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes 
individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in 
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing 
falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I 
can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out 
expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.
________
From: John Hornbuckle 
[john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-----Original Message----

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Ken Schaefer]

SCVMM 2008 has limitations on what it can manage - so you'll still be breaking 
out the VMware tools to manage your VMWare side. Dunno about SCVMM 2012

Cheers
Ken

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2012 2:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

System Center Virtual Machine Manager can manage both your VMWare and Hyper-V 
hosts...

  *   http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh546770.aspx
  *   http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg610610.aspx

And there are backup solutions which are pointed at your HyperV host and will 
backup all the guests, yes.

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...



On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
I didn't think you could point Veeam (or whatever HyperV aware backup app 
you're using) to a single entity like you can vCenter and have it backup every 
VM that's in your cluster?  If you can that's great to know as I always 
wondered how it coped with doing incremental backups of a VM when it's been 
moved between hosts if it addresses each host individually.

On the domain point, so can you have several Hyper-V hosts that aren't domain 
members but still manage them as a single entity/cluster?  Basically what's the 
Hyper-V equivalent of a vCenter server?

Like I said I haven't used it but I thought those were both things about it 
that didn't seem quite as "polished" as VMware?

From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 4:55 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V 
>> boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party options 
here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
>> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...




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Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Rankin, James R]

I get much better XenDesktop performance on XenServer, FWIW

---Blackberried

-Original Message-
From: Jonathan Link 
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:54:58 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to 
VMware!

Not like it's Tennessee or anything...

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Webster  wrote:

>  HELP YOU MOVE!  Isn’t that like physical labor (i.e. WORK)?  Can’t that
> be outsourced?  Besides, MBS is MUCH closer to you than I am. J  It just
> an extreme white-knuckle drive for him or it was for me last time I drove
> from C’Ville, VA to some place in deep banjo country West Virginny.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Subject:* Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>  ** **
>
> I'm just working with what the folks are asking. :)
>
> ** **
>
> We respect the right of every organization to choose its own poison... :)*
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> If you're going to visit me, at least help me move!   LOL
> 
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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Paul Hutchings]

Just to clarify that you won't get DRS with the Essentials/Essentials Plus 
bundle as that comes with Enterprise onwards.

From: Chinnery, Paul [pa...@mmcwm.com]
Sent: 16 April 2012 8:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

If you have DRS turned on, yes.  However, you can also designate that some will 
always be on the same host.For example, we have HCIS authentication server 
(file) that always uses a certain background server.  So, if FSA is vmotioned 
to another host, BG1 will follow.
From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

How does that work  now?
Are the 11 guests distributed dynamically across the 3 hosts?  Or are they 
dedicated to specific hosts always?



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I have 11 guests.  I have three hosts so I can survive a host failure without 
squeezing the resources on the remaining hosts too much.
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:24 PM, David Mazzaccaro 
mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>>
 wrote:
How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts?
With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going to be 
overkill.
Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers…. Are 3 hosts a waste?



From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Yes!

By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not your 
hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-)  And you may as well run a physical box 
for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box for DC.

The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to authenticate 
against and bring your environment back online.  At your size (three hosts, 
which is what I'm running) you probably don't need it, and can authenticate 
into the hosts and then start the guests that way.


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro 
mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>>
 wrote:
Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs, but 
you must have at least 1 physical.
2) Virtualize everything you can. You don’t need any physical boxes at all.  
Period.

Thoughts?


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V 
>> boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party options 
here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
>> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no 
particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware 
infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes 
individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in 
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing 
falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I 
can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out 
expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.
________
From: John Hornbuckle 
[john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Hutchings 
[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Heaton, Joseph@DFG]

That's something that can be highly variable also, depending on how resource 
hungry the guests will be.  We're running a Dell blade chassis, with M710 
servers, dual 6-core procs, and 96GB of RAM each.  We average around 15-18 
guests per host.

Joe Heaton
ITB - Windows Server Support

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:24 AM
To: Heaton, Joseph@DFG; NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts?
With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going to be 
overkill.
Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers Are 3 hosts a waste?



From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Yes!

By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not your 
hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-)  And you may as well run a physical box 
for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box for DC.

The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to authenticate 
against and bring your environment back online.  At your size (three hosts, 
which is what I'm running) you probably don't need it, and can authenticate 
into the hosts and then start the guests that way.


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro 
mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>>
 wrote:
Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs, but 
you must have at least 1 physical.
2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at all.  
Period.

Thoughts?


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V 
>> boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party options 
here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
>> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no 
particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware 
infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes 
individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in 
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing 
falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I 
can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out 
expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.

From: John Hornbuckle 
[john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-----
From: Paul Hutchings 
[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk<mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini 
frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing 
VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>



- Original Message 

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[John Cook]

Why is it always about size??? ;-)
We have a multitude of various servers - Exchange, Oracle, DCs, BES, 
Sharepoint, SQL, email archiving, AV, yada yada yada. That's only the 
production servers, we have  a small test environment as well plus various 
random older servers that were P2V'd and are kept for various reasons. We set 
it up for the possibility of a VMWare View project so yes, currently it's 
overkill and I'm ok with that.

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 3:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

5-6 guests per host? How tiny are these hosts?

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

w - 312.625.1438 | c   - 312.731.3132

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

We average 5-6 per Host with 3 ESXi5 hosts. That being said any  host failure 
and subsequent failover to the other two hosts will not impact the performance 
of the guest machines. It depends on what you are trying to accomplish - the 
least possible number of physical boxes or some resiliency.

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts?
With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going to be 
overkill.
Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers Are 3 hosts a waste?



From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Yes!

By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not your 
hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-)  And you may as well run a physical box 
for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box for DC.

The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to authenticate 
against and bring your environment back online.  At your size (three hosts, 
which is what I'm running) you probably don't need it, and can authenticate 
into the hosts and then start the guests that way.


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro 
mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>>
 wrote:
Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs, but 
you must have at least 1 physical.
2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at all.  
Period.

Thoughts?


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V 
>> boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party options 
here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
>> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no 
particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware 
infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes 
individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in 
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing 
falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I 
can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out 
expensive

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[David Mazzaccaro]

Do you have a secondary SAN in case there is a problem w/ it?

 

 

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 3:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

I don't have vmotion, they're assigned to specific hosts, and are all on
the SAN.  So, if a host fails, or I need to do maintenance I can down
the guest and migrate it to another host.  This works for hosts that
aren't mission critical or can survive some downtime window during
standard business hours without people noticing or howling too much.

 

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:51 PM, David Mazzaccaro
 wrote:

How does that work  now?

Are the 11 guests distributed dynamically across the 3 hosts?  Or are
they dedicated to specific hosts always?

 

 

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:32 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

I have 11 guests.  I have three hosts so I can survive a host failure
without squeezing the resources on the remaining hosts too much.

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:24 PM, David Mazzaccaro
 wrote:

How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts?

With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going
to be overkill.

Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers Are 3 hosts
a waste?

 

 

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

Yes!

 

By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not
your hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-)  And you may as well run a
physical box for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box
for DC.

 

The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to
authenticate against and bring your environment back online.  At your
size (three hosts, which is what I'm running) you probably don't need
it, and can authenticate into the hosts and then start the guests that
way.

 

 

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro
 wrote:

Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...

1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual
DCs, but you must have at least 1 physical.

2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at
all.  Period.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 

Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
Hyper-V boxes individually?


No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party
options here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a
"fun" situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

 

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

 

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings
 wrote:

I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but
in no particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire
VMware infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
Hyper-V boxes individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun"
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the
timing falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the
only reason I can see for looking at moving would be license costs -
VMware works out expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want
more than the basics.
____________

From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issu

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Ziots, Edward]

Yeah we are doing about 30+ guests per host, mostly blades systems here.


 

Z

 

Edward Ziots

CISSP, Security +, Network +

Security Engineer

Lifespan Organization

ezi...@lifespan.org

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 3:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

We average about 20-25 guests per host right now.  More in our
development environment.

 

What size hardware are you using?


ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...





On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:37 PM, John Cook  wrote:

We average 5-6 per Host with 3 ESXi5 hosts. That being said any  host
failure and subsequent failover to the other two hosts will not impact
the performance of the guest machines. It depends on what you are trying
to accomplish - the least possible number of physical boxes or some
resiliency.

 

 John W. Cook

Network Operations Manager

Partnership For Strong Families

5950 NW 1st Place

Gainesville, Fl 32607

Office (352) 244-1610  

Cell (352) 215-6944  

MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

 

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:24 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts?

With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going
to be overkill.

Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers Are 3 hosts
a waste?

 

 

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

Yes!

 

By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not
your hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-)  And you may as well run a
physical box for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box
for DC.

 

The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to
authenticate against and bring your environment back online.  At your
size (three hosts, which is what I'm running) you probably don't need
it, and can authenticate into the hosts and then start the guests that
way.

 

 

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro
 wrote:

Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...

1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual
DCs, but you must have at least 1 physical.

2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at
all.  Period.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
Hyper-V boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party
options here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a
"fun" situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

 

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

 

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings
 wrote:

I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but
in no particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire
VMware infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
Hyper-V boxes individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun"
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the
timing falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the
only reason I can see for looking at moving would be license costs -
VMware works out expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want
more than the basics.

From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-----
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Don Kuhlman]

#2 is probably the current wave, but I would say it depends on your 
environment.  Large size enterprises probably keep several physical boxes for 
specific use (DC, etc.)

On the other hand, I have a very small side client that I have even virtualized 
anything yet. They've got 4 locations, 3 servers with 1 at each location 
running as a fileserver and DC for local authentication, and the sites are 
connected by VPN over Cable.

Don K



 From: David Mazzaccaro 
To: NT System Admin Issues  
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:30 AM
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
 

Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs, but 
you must have at least 1 physical.
2) Virtualize everything you can. You don’t need any physical boxes at all.  
Period.
 
Thoughts?
 
 
From:Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
 
>>Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V 
>>boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party options 
here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
>> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.
 
ASB 
http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker 
Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… 


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings  
wrote:
I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no 
particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware 
infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes 
individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in 
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing 
falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I 
can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out 
expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.

From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini 
frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing 
VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Paul Hutchings]

144gb of RAM and a pair of Xeon 56xx's (six core, I forget the exact model).

Keep in mind that if you're like most people your first bottleneck will most 
likely be RAM, then disk, with CPU almost certainly last.

I can run all that lot on a single box and it doesn't run slowly, but I would 
also add that many of those boxes are small VM's for application isolation so 
aren't that busy beyond their steady state.

FWIW without knowing all the specifics behind why you're being recommended the 
solution you've posted, if all the kit is going in the same room three hosts 
sounds like overkill and two would almost certainly do the job.

I'd be more concerned about getting in a proper backup/replication option so 
you have a quick fallback should your single SAN or room disappear.


From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 16 April 2012 8:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

That is awesome.
What are the hardware specs of the DL380?


From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

FWIW I can run our entire infrastructure (and do when I'm doing host 
maintenance) on a single DL380.

That's around 43 VM's including Exchange 2010, our AD and our primary file 
server.

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 16 April 2012 7:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts?
With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going to be 
overkill.
Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers…. Are 3 hosts a waste?



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Yes!

By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not your 
hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-)  And you may as well run a physical box 
for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box for DC.

The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to authenticate 
against and bring your environment back online.  At your size (three hosts, 
which is what I'm running) you probably don't need it, and can authenticate 
into the hosts and then start the guests that way.


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro 
mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>>
 wrote:
Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs, but 
you must have at least 1 physical.
2) Virtualize everything you can. You don’t need any physical boxes at all.  
Period.

Thoughts?


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V 
>> boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party options 
here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
>> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no 
particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware 
infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes 
individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in 
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing 
falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I 
can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out 
expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.
____________________
From: John Hornbuckle 
[john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Chinnery, Paul]

If you have DRS turned on, yes.  However, you can also designate that some will 
always be on the same host.For example, we have HCIS authentication server 
(file) that always uses a certain background server.  So, if FSA is vmotioned 
to another host, BG1 will follow.
From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

How does that work  now?
Are the 11 guests distributed dynamically across the 3 hosts?  Or are they 
dedicated to specific hosts always?



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I have 11 guests.  I have three hosts so I can survive a host failure without 
squeezing the resources on the remaining hosts too much.
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:24 PM, David Mazzaccaro 
mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>>
 wrote:
How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts?
With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going to be 
overkill.
Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers Are 3 hosts a waste?



From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Yes!

By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not your 
hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-)  And you may as well run a physical box 
for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box for DC.

The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to authenticate 
against and bring your environment back online.  At your size (three hosts, 
which is what I'm running) you probably don't need it, and can authenticate 
into the hosts and then start the guests that way.


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro 
mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>>
 wrote:
Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs, but 
you must have at least 1 physical.
2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at all.  
Period.

Thoughts?


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V 
>> boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party options 
here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
>> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no 
particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware 
infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes 
individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in 
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing 
falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I 
can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out 
expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.

From: John Hornbuckle 
[john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings 
[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk<mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Jonathan Link]

I don't have vmotion, they're assigned to specific hosts, and are all on
the SAN.  So, if a host fails, or I need to do maintenance I can down the
guest and migrate it to another host.  This works for hosts that aren't
mission critical or can survive some downtime window during standard
business hours without people noticing or howling too much.

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:51 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:

> How does that work  now?
>
> Are the 11 guests distributed dynamically across the 3 hosts?  Or are they
> dedicated to specific hosts always?
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2012 2:32 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> ** **
>
> I have 11 guests.  I have three hosts so I can survive a host failure
> without squeezing the resources on the remaining hosts too much.
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:24 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
> david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:
>
> How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts?
>
> With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going to
> be overkill.
>
> Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers…. Are 3 hosts a
> waste?
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>  
>
> Yes!
>
>  
>
> By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not
> your hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-)  And you may as well run a
> physical box for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box for
> DC.
>
>  
>
> The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to authenticate
> against and bring your environment back online.  At your size (three hosts,
> which is what I'm running) you probably don't need it, and can authenticate
> into the hosts and then start the guests that way.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
> david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:
>
> Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
>
> 1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs,
> but you must have at least 1 physical.
>
> 2) Virtualize everything you can. You don’t need any physical boxes at
> all.  Period.
>
>  
>
> Thoughts?
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM
> 
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>  
>
> *>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
> Hyper-V boxes individually?
> *
>
> No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party
> options here.
>
>
> *>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a
> "fun" situation if you have to power everything off and on again.
> *
> Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.
>
>  
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings <
> paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in
> no particular order:
>
> Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
> No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
> Single management tool.
> Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware
> infrastructure.
> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V
> boxes individually?
> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun"
> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.
>
> Outside of usability you then have:
>
> Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in
> VMDK/OVF format
> Tons of vCenter add-ins
>
> I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing
> falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason
> I can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMwa

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[John Cook]

You can create Host affinity which says they will migrate to a specific host 
but VCenter does a good job of balancing the migrations on it's own.

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

How does that work  now?
Are the 11 guests distributed dynamically across the 3 hosts?  Or are they 
dedicated to specific hosts always?



From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I have 11 guests.  I have three hosts so I can survive a host failure without 
squeezing the resources on the remaining hosts too much.
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:24 PM, David Mazzaccaro 
mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>>
 wrote:
How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts?
With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going to be 
overkill.
Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers Are 3 hosts a waste?



From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Yes!

By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not your 
hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-)  And you may as well run a physical box 
for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box for DC.

The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to authenticate 
against and bring your environment back online.  At your size (three hosts, 
which is what I'm running) you probably don't need it, and can authenticate 
into the hosts and then start the guests that way.


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro 
mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>>
 wrote:
Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs, but 
you must have at least 1 physical.
2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at all.  
Period.

Thoughts?


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V 
>> boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party options 
here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
>> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no 
particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware 
infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes 
individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in 
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing 
falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I 
can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out 
expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.
________
From: John Hornbuckle 
[john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings 
[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk<mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Andrew S. Baker]

We average about 20-25 guests per host right now.  More in our development
environment.

What size hardware are you using?

* *

*ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:37 PM, John Cook  wrote:

>  We average 5-6 per Host with 3 ESXi5 hosts. That being said any  host
> failure and subsequent failover to the other two hosts will not impact the
> performance of the guest machines. It depends on what you are trying to
> accomplish – the least possible number of physical boxes or some resiliency.
> 
>
> ** **
>
>  *John W. Cook*
>
> *Network Operations Manager*
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>
> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>
> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>
> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>
> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP**4, VTSP4*
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2012 2:24 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>  ** **
>
> How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts?
>
> With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going to
> be overkill.
>
> Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers…. Are 3 hosts a
> waste?
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> ** **
>
> Yes!
>
> ** **
>
> By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not
> your hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-)  And you may as well run a
> physical box for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box for
> DC.
>
> ** **
>
> The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to authenticate
> against and bring your environment back online.  At your size (three hosts,
> which is what I'm running) you probably don't need it, and can authenticate
> into the hosts and then start the guests that way.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
> david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:
>
> Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
>
> 1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs,
> but you must have at least 1 physical.
>
> 2) Virtualize everything you can. You don’t need any physical boxes at
> all.  Period.
>
>  
>
> Thoughts?
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>  
>
> *>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
> Hyper-V boxes individually?
> *
> No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party
> options here.
>
>
> *>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a
> "fun" situation if you have to power everything off and on again.
> *
> Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.
>
>  
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings <
> paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in
> no particular order:
>
> Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
> No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
> Single management tool.
> Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware
> infrastructure.
> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V
> boxes individually?
> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun"
> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.
>
> Outside of usability you then have:
>
> Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in
> VMDK/OVF format
> Tons of vCenter add-ins
>
> I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing
> falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason
> I can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out
> expe

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[David Mazzaccaro]

I'm thinking knocking 1 host off the quote would save me $25k - enough
for a 2nd SAN to be placed in a secondary site.

 

 

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

Yes, unless your hosts are small, or your guests are huge.

 

10 guests would only need 2 hosts for redundancy purposes.


ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...





On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:24 PM, David Mazzaccaro
 wrote:

How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts?

With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going
to be overkill.

Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers Are 3 hosts
a waste?

 

 

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

Yes!

 

By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not
your hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-)  And you may as well run a
physical box for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box
for DC.

 

The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to
authenticate against and bring your environment back online.  At your
size (three hosts, which is what I'm running) you probably don't need
it, and can authenticate into the hosts and then start the guests that
way.

 

 

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro
 wrote:

Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...

1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual
DCs, but you must have at least 1 physical.

2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at
all.  Period.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
Hyper-V boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party
options here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a
"fun" situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

 

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

 

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings
 wrote:

I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but
in no particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire
VMware infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
Hyper-V boxes individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun"
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the
timing falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the
only reason I can see for looking at moving would be license costs -
VMware works out expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want
more than the basics.


From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-----
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although
Postini frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led
to you choosing VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Brian Desmond]

5-6 guests per host? How tiny are these hosts?

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

w - 312.625.1438 | c   - 312.731.3132

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

We average 5-6 per Host with 3 ESXi5 hosts. That being said any  host failure 
and subsequent failover to the other two hosts will not impact the performance 
of the guest machines. It depends on what you are trying to accomplish - the 
least possible number of physical boxes or some resiliency.

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts?
With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going to be 
overkill.
Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers Are 3 hosts a waste?



From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Yes!

By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not your 
hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-)  And you may as well run a physical box 
for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box for DC.

The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to authenticate 
against and bring your environment back online.  At your size (three hosts, 
which is what I'm running) you probably don't need it, and can authenticate 
into the hosts and then start the guests that way.


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro 
mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>>
 wrote:
Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs, but 
you must have at least 1 physical.
2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at all.  
Period.

Thoughts?


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V 
>> boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party options 
here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
>> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no 
particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware 
infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes 
individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in 
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing 
falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I 
can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out 
expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.

From: John Hornbuckle 
[john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-----
From: Paul Hutchings 
[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk<mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.ho

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[David Mazzaccaro]

That is awesome.

What are the hardware specs of the DL380?

 

 

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

FWIW I can run our entire infrastructure (and do when I'm doing host
maintenance) on a single DL380. 

 

That's around 43 VM's including Exchange 2010, our AD and our primary
file server. 



From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 16 April 2012 7:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts?

With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going
to be overkill.

Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers Are 3 hosts
a waste?

 

 

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

Yes!

 

By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not
your hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-)  And you may as well run a
physical box for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box
for DC.

 

The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to
authenticate against and bring your environment back online.  At your
size (three hosts, which is what I'm running) you probably don't need
it, and can authenticate into the hosts and then start the guests that
way.

 

 

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro
 wrote:

Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...

1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual
DCs, but you must have at least 1 physical.

2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at
all.  Period.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
Hyper-V boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party
options here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a
"fun" situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

 

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

 

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings
 wrote:

I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but
in no particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire
VMware infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
Hyper-V boxes individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun"
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the
timing falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the
only reason I can see for looking at moving would be license costs -
VMware works out expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want
more than the basics.
____________
From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although
Postini frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led
to you choosing VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Su

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[David Mazzaccaro]

How does that work  now?

Are the 11 guests distributed dynamically across the 3 hosts?  Or are
they dedicated to specific hosts always?

 

 

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

I have 11 guests.  I have three hosts so I can survive a host failure
without squeezing the resources on the remaining hosts too much.

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:24 PM, David Mazzaccaro
 wrote:

How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts?

With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going
to be overkill.

Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers Are 3 hosts
a waste?

 

 

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

Yes!

 

By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not
your hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-)  And you may as well run a
physical box for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box
for DC.

 

The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to
authenticate against and bring your environment back online.  At your
size (three hosts, which is what I'm running) you probably don't need
it, and can authenticate into the hosts and then start the guests that
way.

 

 

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro
 wrote:

Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...

1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual
DCs, but you must have at least 1 physical.

2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at
all.  Period.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
Hyper-V boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party
options here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a
"fun" situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

 

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

 

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings
 wrote:

I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but
in no particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire
VMware infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
Hyper-V boxes individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun"
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the
timing falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the
only reason I can see for looking at moving would be license costs -
VMware works out expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want
more than the basics.


From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-----
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-----
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although
Postini frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led
to you choosing VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 ph

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Andrew S. Baker]

Yes, unless your hosts are small, or your guests are huge.

10 guests would only need 2 hosts for redundancy purposes.

* *

*ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:24 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:

> How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts?
>
> With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going to
> be overkill.
>
> Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers…. Are 3 hosts a
> waste?
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> ** **
>
> Yes!
>
> ** **
>
> By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not
> your hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-)  And you may as well run a
> physical box for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box for
> DC.
>
> ** **
>
> The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to authenticate
> against and bring your environment back online.  At your size (three hosts,
> which is what I'm running) you probably don't need it, and can authenticate
> into the hosts and then start the guests that way.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
> david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:
>
> Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
>
> 1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs,
> but you must have at least 1 physical.
>
> 2) Virtualize everything you can. You don’t need any physical boxes at
> all.  Period.
>
>  ****
>
> Thoughts?
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>  
>
> *>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
> Hyper-V boxes individually?
> *
> No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party
> options here.
>
>
> *>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a
> "fun" situation if you have to power everything off and on again.
> *
> Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.
>
>  
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings <
> paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in
> no particular order:
>
> Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
> No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
> Single management tool.
> Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware
> infrastructure.
> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V
> boxes individually?
> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun"
> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.
>
> Outside of usability you then have:
>
> Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in
> VMDK/OVF format
> Tons of vCenter add-ins
>
> I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing
> falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason
> I can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out
> expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.
> ____________
> From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?
>
> I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> I'd assume ease of use and market leader.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: 1

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Paul Hutchings]

FWIW I can run our entire infrastructure (and do when I'm doing host 
maintenance) on a single DL380.

That's around 43 VM's including Exchange 2010, our AD and our primary file 
server.

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 16 April 2012 7:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts?
With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going to be 
overkill.
Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers…. Are 3 hosts a waste?



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Yes!

By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not your 
hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-)  And you may as well run a physical box 
for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box for DC.

The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to authenticate 
against and bring your environment back online.  At your size (three hosts, 
which is what I'm running) you probably don't need it, and can authenticate 
into the hosts and then start the guests that way.


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro 
mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>>
 wrote:
Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs, but 
you must have at least 1 physical.
2) Virtualize everything you can. You don’t need any physical boxes at all.  
Period.

Thoughts?


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V 
>> boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party options 
here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
>> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no 
particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware 
infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes 
individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in 
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing 
falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I 
can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out 
expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.

From: John Hornbuckle 
[john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-----
From: Paul Hutchings 
[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk<mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini 
frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing 
VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com<mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:n

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[John Cook]

We average 5-6 per Host with 3 ESXi5 hosts. That being said any  host failure 
and subsequent failover to the other two hosts will not impact the performance 
of the guest machines. It depends on what you are trying to accomplish - the 
least possible number of physical boxes or some resiliency.

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts?
With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going to be 
overkill.
Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers Are 3 hosts a waste?



From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Yes!

By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not your 
hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-)  And you may as well run a physical box 
for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box for DC.

The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to authenticate 
against and bring your environment back online.  At your size (three hosts, 
which is what I'm running) you probably don't need it, and can authenticate 
into the hosts and then start the guests that way.


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro 
mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>>
 wrote:
Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs, but 
you must have at least 1 physical.
2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at all.  
Period.

Thoughts?


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V 
>> boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party options 
here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
>> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no 
particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware 
infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes 
individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in 
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing 
falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I 
can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out 
expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.

From: John Hornbuckle 
[john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings 
[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk<mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini 
frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choos

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Andrew S. Baker]

Either choice can be made to work without tremendous difficulty.   But they
do require different considerations.

You'll find enough folks on this list that subscribe to either perspective.

* *

*ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:

> Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
>
> 1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs,
> but you must have at least 1 physical.
>
> 2) Virtualize everything you can. You don’t need any physical boxes at
> all.  Period.
>
> ** **
>
> Thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> ** **
>
> *>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
> Hyper-V boxes individually?
> *
> No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party
> options here.
>
>
> *>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a
> "fun" situation if you have to power everything off and on again.
> *
> Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.
>
> ** **
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
>
>
> 
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings <
> paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in
> no particular order:
>
> Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
> No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
> Single management tool.
> Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware
> infrastructure.
> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V
> boxes individually?
> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun"
> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.
>
> Outside of usability you then have:
>
> Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in
> VMDK/OVF format
> Tons of vCenter add-ins
>
> I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing
> falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason
> I can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out
> expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.
> 
> From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?
>
> I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> I'd assume ease of use and market leader.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini
> frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you
> choosing VMware over Hyper-V?
>
>
>
> John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
> MIS Department
> Taylor County School District
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: David Mazzaccaro
> [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
> 08:38:47 -0700
> Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>
> > Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> > I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
> solution:
> >
> > 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> > HP DL380 G7 E5660
> > Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> > 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> > Quad port gig adapter
> >
> > 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> > HP 2910
> >
> > 1 SAN ($22,700)
> > NetApp 2240
> > 12 x 600GB
> >
&g

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Jonathan Link]

I have 11 guests.  I have three hosts so I can survive a host failure
without squeezing the resources on the remaining hosts too much.

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:24 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:

> How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts?
>
> With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going to
> be overkill.
>
> Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers…. Are 3 hosts a
> waste?
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> ** **
>
> Yes!
>
> ** **
>
> By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not
> your hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-)  And you may as well run a
> physical box for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box for
> DC.
>
> ** **
>
> The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to authenticate
> against and bring your environment back online.  At your size (three hosts,
> which is what I'm running) you probably don't need it, and can authenticate
> into the hosts and then start the guests that way.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
> david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:
>
> Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
>
> 1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs,
> but you must have at least 1 physical.
>
> 2) Virtualize everything you can. You don’t need any physical boxes at
> all.  Period.
>
>  ****
>
> Thoughts?
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>  
>
> *>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
> Hyper-V boxes individually?
> *
> No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party
> options here.
>
>
> *>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a
> "fun" situation if you have to power everything off and on again.
> *
> Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.
>
>  
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings <
> paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in
> no particular order:
>
> Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
> No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
> Single management tool.
> Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware
> infrastructure.
> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V
> boxes individually?
> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun"
> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.
>
> Outside of usability you then have:
>
> Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in
> VMDK/OVF format
> Tons of vCenter add-ins
>
> I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing
> falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason
> I can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out
> expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.
> ____________
> From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?
>
> I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> I'd assume ease of use and market leader.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving t

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Andrew S. Baker]

System Center Virtual Machine Manager can manage both your VMWare and
Hyper-V hosts...

   - http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh546770.aspx
   - http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg610610.aspx


And there are backup solutions which are pointed at your HyperV host and
will backup all the guests, yes.

* *

*ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Paul Hutchings
wrote:

>  I didn't think you could point Veeam (or whatever HyperV aware backup
> app you're using) to a single entity like you can vCenter and have it
> backup every VM that's in your cluster?  If you can that's great to know as
> I always wondered how it coped with doing incremental backups of a VM when
> it's been moved between hosts if it addresses each host individually.
>
>  On the domain point, so can you have several Hyper-V hosts that aren't
> domain members but still manage them as a single entity/cluster?  Basically
> what's the Hyper-V equivalent of a vCenter server?
>
>  Like I said I haven't used it but I thought those were both things about
> it that didn't seem quite as "polished" as VMware?
>  --
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 16 April 2012 4:55 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>  *>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
> Hyper-V boxes individually?
> *
> No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party
> options here.
>
>
> *>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a
> "fun" situation if you have to power everything off and on again.
> *
> Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.
>
>
> **
>
> *ASB*  *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*  *Harnessing the Advantages of
> Technology for the SMB market…
>
> *
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings <
> paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in
>> no particular order:
>>
>> Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
>> No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
>> Single management tool.
>> Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware
>> infrastructure.
>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V
>> boxes individually?
>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun"
>> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.
>>
>> Outside of usability you then have:
>>
>> Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in
>> VMDK/OVF format
>> Tons of vCenter add-ins
>>
>> I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the
>> timing falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only
>> reason I can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware
>> works out expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than
>> the basics.
>> 
>> From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
>> Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
>>  To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>>
>> Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?
>>
>> I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>>
>> I'd assume ease of use and market leader.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
>> Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>>
>> Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini
>> frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you
>> choosing VMware over Hyper-V?
>>
>>
>>
>> John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
>> MIS Department
>> Taylor County School District
>> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: David Mazzaccaro
>> [mailto:david.

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[David Mazzaccaro]

How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts?

With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going
to be overkill.

Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers Are 3 hosts
a waste?

 

 

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

Yes!

 

By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not
your hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-)  And you may as well run a
physical box for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box
for DC.

 

The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to
authenticate against and bring your environment back online.  At your
size (three hosts, which is what I'm running) you probably don't need
it, and can authenticate into the hosts and then start the guests that
way.

 

 

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro
 wrote:

Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...

1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual
DCs, but you must have at least 1 physical.

2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at
all.  Period.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
Hyper-V boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party
options here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a
"fun" situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

 

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

 

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings
 wrote:

I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but
in no particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire
VMware infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
Hyper-V boxes individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun"
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the
timing falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the
only reason I can see for looking at moving would be license costs -
VMware works out expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want
more than the basics.

From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although
Postini frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led
to you choosing VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k s

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Michael B. Smith]

Not in my opinion.

But it's all about what you are used to.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini 
frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing 
VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008 
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?


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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Michael B. Smith]

I vote for #1.

If you have a data-center failure, a standalone DC makes it just a little bit 
easier to get everything running again. (Note: I'm not suggesting it's a 
requirement, but if you are re-starting a datacenter after a full failure, 
every bit of simplicity helps.)

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 12:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

#2

There are rules/best practises to follow such as not using snapshots when 
updating DCs that are virtual, but the biggest issue, which used to be clock 
skew, is a non-issue these days.

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 16 April 2012 5:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs, but 
you must have at least 1 physical.
2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at all.  
Period.

Thoughts?


From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V 
>> boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party options 
here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
>> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no 
particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware 
infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes 
individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in 
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing 
falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I 
can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out 
expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.

From: John Hornbuckle 
[john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings 
[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk<mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini 
frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing 
VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com<mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com<mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Jonathan Link]

Yes!

By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not your
hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-)  And you may as well run a physical
box for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box for DC.

The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to authenticate
against and bring your environment back online.  At your size (three hosts,
which is what I'm running) you probably don't need it, and can authenticate
into the hosts and then start the guests that way.


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:

> Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
>
> 1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs,
> but you must have at least 1 physical.
>
> 2) Virtualize everything you can. You don’t need any physical boxes at
> all.  Period.
>
> ** **
>
> Thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> ** **
>
> *>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
> Hyper-V boxes individually?
> *
> No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party
> options here.
>
>
> *>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a
> "fun" situation if you have to power everything off and on again.
> *
> Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.
>
> ** **
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
>
>
> 
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings <
> paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in
> no particular order:
>
> Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
> No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
> Single management tool.
> Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware
> infrastructure.
> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V
> boxes individually?
> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun"
> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.
>
> Outside of usability you then have:
>
> Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in
> VMDK/OVF format
> Tons of vCenter add-ins
>
> I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing
> falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason
> I can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out
> expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.
> 
> From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?
>
> I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> I'd assume ease of use and market leader.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini
> frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you
> choosing VMware over Hyper-V?
>
>
>
> John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
> MIS Department
> Taylor County School District
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: David Mazzaccaro
> [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
> 08:38:47 -0700
> Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>
> > Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> > I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
> solution:
> >
> > 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> > HP DL380 G7 E5660
> > Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Heaton, Joseph@DFG]

All of our DCs are virtual.  Just make sure they're on different hosts, in case 
the host crashes...

Joe Heaton
ITB - Windows Server Support

From: Scott Crawford [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:42 AM
To: Heaton, Joseph@DFG; NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

> You don't need any physical boxes at all.  Period.

I'd at least want some hosts :)

From: David Mazzaccaro 
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]<mailto:[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs, but 
you must have at least 1 physical.
2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at all.  
Period.

Thoughts?


From: Andrew S Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V 
>> boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party options 
here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
>> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no 
particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware 
infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes 
individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in 
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing 
falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I 
can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out 
expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.

From: John Hornbuckle 
[john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings 
[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk<mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini 
frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing 
VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.flus<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com<mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com<mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Heaton, Joseph@DFG]

Hmm... not sure how much it cost for us.  We went with Dell TL2000 libraries, 
and the Dell iSCSI-SAS bridge card.

Joe Heaton
ITB - Windows Server Support


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:37 AM
To: Heaton, Joseph@DFG; NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I did briefly look at that.  Problem was the iSCSI bridge for the tape 
libraries seemed to cost more than simply buying a physical box to connect the 
tape library to.

Kind of weird but seemed consistent across vendors.

From: Heaton, Joseph@DFG [jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
Sent: 16 April 2012 5:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

We're using an iSCSI tape library at our field offices, with the backup server 
VM connecting to it.  Works great for us.

Joe Heaton
ITB - Windows Server Support


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:37 PM
To: Heaton, Joseph@DFG; NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Basically forget about connecting your tape library to one of the VMware hosts, 
even if it should work it isn't going to be pleasant - far better to use one of 
your existing boxes as a media agent with the tape drive attached to it if you 
stick with the tape drive you have.

If you wouldn't mind doing so it would be beneficial if you went into some 
detail on what you currently do for backups - what software, what backup 
routine etc.?

If you're using something old or basic and are considering backups from scratch 
I'd suggest (in a very rough order) looking at Commvault, Unitrends, Veeam 
(only does VMware or Hyper-V) and AppAssure (only does Windows), then at the 
lower end you have Backup Exec and ArcServe and no doubt a few others.

I really can't stress the point strongly enough about having a solid backup 
plan in place when you virtualise.

Firstly you're talking about spending almost $200k on kit - respectfully I'm a 
little surprised if the VAR hasn't mentioned backups somewhere down the line?

Secondly, your single SAN is your single point of failure.  Sure, it's made not 
to fail but if it does you've just lost every single VM you have so you want to 
be able to get them back as quickly and easily as possible.

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 9:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Ah... yes, that is exactly what I am doing now.

I will absolutely look into this.  Thank you.



-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I meant more in terms of what backup software are you using?

If you're currently doing backups of your physical boxes you're most likely 
doing it using traditional agents that sit on the boxes and do file or 
application level backups?

Of course you can continue to do that, but you're missing one of the biggest 
benefits of virtualisation if you're not complementing it (or in some cases 
replacing it) with taking image level backups of the entire VM.

It's something you should definitely look into, not least because, well it's 
backups so it's probably the most important part of the whole setup, but also 
because if you do go the Netapp route they also offer a lot of software tools 
(at a cost) that your backup software may be compatible with - basically you 
want to check it out prior to any purchase to avoid any surprises down the line 
(particularly as Netapp aren't the cheapest in terms of software licenses if 
you need to buy anything down the line).

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 8:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I assume I will back up to tape?


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

What are you doing to backup your VM's?
________
From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 8:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Wow. This is perfect.
You probably just saved me some serious coin.
Thank you!!!


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

vSphere will see all the RAM, but the amount y

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[David Mazzaccaro]

LOL... 

 

From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

> You don't need any physical boxes at all.  Period.

 

I'd at least want some hosts J

 

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...

1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual
DCs, but you must have at least 1 physical.

2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at
all.  Period.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
Hyper-V boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party
options here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a
"fun" situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

 

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

 

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings
 wrote:

I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but
in no particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire
VMware infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
Hyper-V boxes individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun"
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the
timing falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the
only reason I can see for looking at moving would be license costs -
VMware works out expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want
more than the basics.

From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-----
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although
Postini frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led
to you choosing VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?

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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Brian Desmond]

The documentation currently says #1, but, I expect in the next 6-12 months you 
will see that shift to #2. I don't have a problem personally with #1.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

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From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs, but 
you must have at least 1 physical.
2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at all.  
Period.

Thoughts?


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V 
>> boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party options 
here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
>> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no 
particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware 
infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes 
individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in 
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing 
falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I 
can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out 
expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.

From: John Hornbuckle 
[john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings 
[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk<mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini 
frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing 
VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com<mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com<mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Bu

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Kennedy, Jim]

Your hyper-v host is fubar'd and you need to log into it. Your DC is hosted on 
that VM hostso you can't log in. You can certainly build it to avoid that 
problem, but that is why some people say keep one physical DC. For example you 
can have your hyper-v host not be in the domain. Or if you have multiple hyper 
hosts spread out your DC's.

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 12:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs, but 
you must have at least 1 physical.
2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at all.  
Period.

Thoughts?


From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V 
>> boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party options 
here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
>> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no 
particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware 
infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes 
individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in 
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing 
falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I 
can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out 
expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.

From: John Hornbuckle 
[john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings 
[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk<mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini 
frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing 
VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com<mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com<mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing serve

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[John Cook]

No third party tools necessary for backing up the servers with VMWare 
standard/Ent/Ent+ - VMWare Data Recovery is included

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 12:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I didn't think you could point Veeam (or whatever HyperV aware backup app 
you're using) to a single entity like you can vCenter and have it backup every 
VM that's in your cluster?  If you can that's great to know as I always 
wondered how it coped with doing incremental backups of a VM when it's been 
moved between hosts if it addresses each host individually.

On the domain point, so can you have several Hyper-V hosts that aren't domain 
members but still manage them as a single entity/cluster?  Basically what's the 
Hyper-V equivalent of a vCenter server?

Like I said I haven't used it but I thought those were both things about it 
that didn't seem quite as "polished" as VMware?

From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: 16 April 2012 4:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V 
>> boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party options 
here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
>> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...



On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no 
particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware 
infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes 
individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in 
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing 
falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I 
can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out 
expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.

From: John Hornbuckle 
[john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings 
[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk<mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-----Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini 
frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing 
VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com<mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com<mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
&

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Steven Peck]

We have some isolated environments where all servers are virtual (including
DCs).  In this case when we had some data center power issues or did some
shut downs, we had to play whack a mole to find the DCs to power them up
first.  Since these environments were smaller involving 3 hosts each with
only 40-60 guest servers per cluster, it was inconvienient and annoying but
not seriously painful.  We do have the virtual center server on a physical
host with a local database now though which helps significantly.  We also
have rules to keep the DCs on seperate hosts.

In the larger environments the AD team maintains some physical DCs but
we've always wondered why.  It's not like we don't have a geographically
spread out environment with a lot of redundancy and coverage but there you
go.

Steven Peck
http://www.blkmtn.org



On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:30 AM, David Mazzaccaro <
david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:

> Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
>
> 1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs,
> but you must have at least 1 physical.
>
> 2) Virtualize everything you can. You don’t need any physical boxes at
> all.  Period.
>
> ** **
>
> Thoughts?
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> ** **
>
> *>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
> Hyper-V boxes individually?
> *
> No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party
> options here.
>
>
> *>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a
> "fun" situation if you have to power everything off and on again.
> *
> Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.
>
> ** **
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
>
>
> 
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings <
> paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in
> no particular order:
>
> Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
> No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
> Single management tool.
> Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware
> infrastructure.
> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V
> boxes individually?
> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun"
> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.
>
> Outside of usability you then have:
>
> Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in
> VMDK/OVF format
> Tons of vCenter add-ins
>
> I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing
> falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason
> I can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out
> expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.
> 
> From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?
>
> I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> I'd assume ease of use and market leader.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini
> frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you
> choosing VMware over Hyper-V?
>
>
>
> John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
> MIS Department
> Taylor County School District
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: David Mazzaccaro
> [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
> 08:38:47 -0700
> Subject: Hooray, I'

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Matthew W. Ross]

I would modify your statements in the following way:

1) Always have a way to boot a DC without the dependancies of other services. 
AKA, you can virtualize your DCs if your VM solution doesn't require a domain 
to boot/manage. Having a physical DC does solve this problem.

2) Virtualize everything you can, save what your application vendors ask that 
you don't. I.E.: You can't Hyper-V a ShoreTel Director server yet. (I do see 
they now support a VMWare configuration.)


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Mon, 16 Apr 2012
09:30:11 -0700
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
> 
> 1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual
> DCs, but you must have at least 1 physical.
> 
> 2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at
> all.  Period.
> 
>  
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
> 
>  
> 
> >> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
> Hyper-V boxes individually?
> 
> No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party
> options here.
> 
> 
> >> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a
> "fun" situation if you have to power everything off and on again.
> 
> Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.
> 
>  
> 
> ASB
> 
> http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
> 
> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings
>  wrote:
> 
> I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but
> in no particular order:
> 
> Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
> No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
> Single management tool.
> Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire
> VMware infrastructure.
> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
> Hyper-V boxes individually?
> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun"
> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.
> 
> Outside of usability you then have:
> 
> Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in
> VMDK/OVF format
> Tons of vCenter add-ins
> 
> I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the
> timing falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the
> only reason I can see for looking at moving would be license costs -
> VMware works out expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want
> more than the basics.
> 
> From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
> 
> Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?
> 
> I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.
> 
> 
> 
> John
> 
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
> 
> I'd assume ease of use and market leader.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
> 
> Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although
> Postini frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led
> to you choosing VMware over Hyper-V?
> 
> 
> 
> John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
> MIS Department
> Taylor County School District
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: David Mazzaccaro
> [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
> 08:38:47 -0700
> Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
> 
> 
> > Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> > I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
> solution:
> >
> > 3 hosts: ($2

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[John Cook]

Well if your entire VMWare infrastructure goes down it's possible to have 
issues with DNS unless the virtualized DNS server is set to auto restart AND be 
the first machine to come up. It's entirely possible to have everything 
virtualized but IMO having a single physical DNS server is just good redundancy 
planning that can save some angst during a stressful situation like everything 
going down at once.. YMMV

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 12:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs, but 
you must have at least 1 physical.
2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at all.  
Period.

Thoughts?


From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V 
>> boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party options 
here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
>> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no 
particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware 
infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes 
individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in 
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing 
falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I 
can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out 
expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.

From: John Hornbuckle 
[john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings 
[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk<mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini 
frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing 
VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com<mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com<mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSph

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Chinnery, Paul]

1.  Both my dc's are physical.
2.  A lot of that depends on the software being used.  We have a fax server 
that the fax s/w vendor recommended be a physical server.  When ICD-10 (medical 
coding) comes out, our coding vendor will not install on a virtual server.


Paul Chinnery
Network Admin
Memorial Medical Center
231.845.2319


From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 12:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs, but 
you must have at least 1 physical.
2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at all.  
Period.

Thoughts?


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V 
>> boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party options 
here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
>> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no 
particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware 
infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes 
individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in 
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing 
falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I 
can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out 
expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.

From: John Hornbuckle 
[john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings 
[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk<mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini 
frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing 
VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com<mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com<mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?

~ F

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Paul Hutchings]

#2

There are rules/best practises to follow such as not using snapshots when 
updating DCs that are virtual, but the biggest issue, which used to be clock 
skew, is a non-issue these days.

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 16 April 2012 5:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs, but 
you must have at least 1 physical.
2) Virtualize everything you can. You don’t need any physical boxes at all.  
Period.

Thoughts?


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V 
>> boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party options 
here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
>> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…



On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no 
particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware 
infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes 
individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in 
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing 
falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I 
can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out 
expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.

From: John Hornbuckle 
[john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings 
[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk<mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini 
frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing 
VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com<mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com<mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?

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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Crawford, Scott]

> You don't need any physical boxes at all.  Period.

I'd at least want some hosts :)

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...
1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual DCs, but 
you must have at least 1 physical.
2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at all.  
Period.

Thoughts?


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V 
>> boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party options 
here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
>> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no 
particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware 
infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes 
individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in 
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing 
falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I 
can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out 
expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.

From: John Hornbuckle 
[john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings 
[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk<mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini 
frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing 
VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com<mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com<mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Paul Hutchings]

I did briefly look at that.  Problem was the iSCSI bridge for the tape 
libraries seemed to cost more than simply buying a physical box to connect the 
tape library to.

Kind of weird but seemed consistent across vendors.

From: Heaton, Joseph@DFG [jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
Sent: 16 April 2012 5:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

We're using an iSCSI tape library at our field offices, with the backup server 
VM connecting to it.  Works great for us.

Joe Heaton
ITB - Windows Server Support


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:37 PM
To: Heaton, Joseph@DFG; NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Basically forget about connecting your tape library to one of the VMware hosts, 
even if it should work it isn't going to be pleasant - far better to use one of 
your existing boxes as a media agent with the tape drive attached to it if you 
stick with the tape drive you have.

If you wouldn't mind doing so it would be beneficial if you went into some 
detail on what you currently do for backups - what software, what backup 
routine etc.?

If you're using something old or basic and are considering backups from scratch 
I'd suggest (in a very rough order) looking at Commvault, Unitrends, Veeam 
(only does VMware or Hyper-V) and AppAssure (only does Windows), then at the 
lower end you have Backup Exec and ArcServe and no doubt a few others.

I really can't stress the point strongly enough about having a solid backup 
plan in place when you virtualise.

Firstly you're talking about spending almost $200k on kit - respectfully I'm a 
little surprised if the VAR hasn't mentioned backups somewhere down the line?

Secondly, your single SAN is your single point of failure.  Sure, it's made not 
to fail but if it does you've just lost every single VM you have so you want to 
be able to get them back as quickly and easily as possible.

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 9:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Ah... yes, that is exactly what I am doing now.

I will absolutely look into this.  Thank you.



-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I meant more in terms of what backup software are you using?

If you're currently doing backups of your physical boxes you're most likely 
doing it using traditional agents that sit on the boxes and do file or 
application level backups?

Of course you can continue to do that, but you're missing one of the biggest 
benefits of virtualisation if you're not complementing it (or in some cases 
replacing it) with taking image level backups of the entire VM.

It's something you should definitely look into, not least because, well it's 
backups so it's probably the most important part of the whole setup, but also 
because if you do go the Netapp route they also offer a lot of software tools 
(at a cost) that your backup software may be compatible with - basically you 
want to check it out prior to any purchase to avoid any surprises down the line 
(particularly as Netapp aren't the cheapest in terms of software licenses if 
you need to buy anything down the line).

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 8:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I assume I will back up to tape?


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

What are you doing to backup your VM's?
____
From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 8:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Wow. This is perfect.
You probably just saved me some serious coin.
Thank you!!!


-Original Message-----
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

vSphere will see all the RAM, but the amount you'll be able to use (assuming 
vSphere 5) is licensed/controlled by your vRAM entitlement.

It's one of the biggest and most contentious changes moving from 4.1 to 5.

Here's VMware's licensing paper which lists it in all its glorious
detail:

http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf

So in a nutshell, yes, you'll have almost 60

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[David Mazzaccaro]

Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things...

1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical.  You can certainly have virtual
DCs, but you must have at least 1 physical.

2) Virtualize everything you can. You don't need any physical boxes at
all.  Period.

 

Thoughts?

 

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
Hyper-V boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party
options here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a
"fun" situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.

 

ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...





On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings
 wrote:

I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but
in no particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire
VMware infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
Hyper-V boxes individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun"
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the
timing falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the
only reason I can see for looking at moving would be license costs -
VMware works out expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want
more than the basics.

From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although
Postini frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led
to you choosing VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?

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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Paul Hutchings]

I didn't think you could point Veeam (or whatever HyperV aware backup app 
you're using) to a single entity like you can vCenter and have it backup every 
VM that's in your cluster?  If you can that's great to know as I always 
wondered how it coped with doing incremental backups of a VM when it's been 
moved between hosts if it addresses each host individually.

On the domain point, so can you have several Hyper-V hosts that aren't domain 
members but still manage them as a single entity/cluster?  Basically what's the 
Hyper-V equivalent of a vCenter server?

Like I said I haven't used it but I thought those were both things about it 
that didn't seem quite as "polished" as VMware?

From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: 16 April 2012 4:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V 
>> boxes individually?

No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party options 
here.


>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
>> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.



ASB
http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…





On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no 
particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware 
infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes 
individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in 
VMDK/OVF format
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing 
falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I 
can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out 
expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.

From: John Hornbuckle 
[john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-----
From: Paul Hutchings 
[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk<mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-----
From: John Hornbuckle 
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini 
frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing 
VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com<mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com<mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?

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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Heaton, Joseph@DFG]

We're using an iSCSI tape library at our field offices, with the backup server 
VM connecting to it.  Works great for us.

Joe Heaton
ITB - Windows Server Support


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:37 PM
To: Heaton, Joseph@DFG; NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Basically forget about connecting your tape library to one of the VMware hosts, 
even if it should work it isn't going to be pleasant - far better to use one of 
your existing boxes as a media agent with the tape drive attached to it if you 
stick with the tape drive you have.

If you wouldn't mind doing so it would be beneficial if you went into some 
detail on what you currently do for backups - what software, what backup 
routine etc.?

If you're using something old or basic and are considering backups from scratch 
I'd suggest (in a very rough order) looking at Commvault, Unitrends, Veeam 
(only does VMware or Hyper-V) and AppAssure (only does Windows), then at the 
lower end you have Backup Exec and ArcServe and no doubt a few others.

I really can't stress the point strongly enough about having a solid backup 
plan in place when you virtualise.

Firstly you're talking about spending almost $200k on kit - respectfully I'm a 
little surprised if the VAR hasn't mentioned backups somewhere down the line?

Secondly, your single SAN is your single point of failure.  Sure, it's made not 
to fail but if it does you've just lost every single VM you have so you want to 
be able to get them back as quickly and easily as possible.

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 9:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Ah... yes, that is exactly what I am doing now.

I will absolutely look into this.  Thank you.



-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I meant more in terms of what backup software are you using?

If you're currently doing backups of your physical boxes you're most likely 
doing it using traditional agents that sit on the boxes and do file or 
application level backups?

Of course you can continue to do that, but you're missing one of the biggest 
benefits of virtualisation if you're not complementing it (or in some cases 
replacing it) with taking image level backups of the entire VM.

It's something you should definitely look into, not least because, well it's 
backups so it's probably the most important part of the whole setup, but also 
because if you do go the Netapp route they also offer a lot of software tools 
(at a cost) that your backup software may be compatible with - basically you 
want to check it out prior to any purchase to avoid any surprises down the line 
(particularly as Netapp aren't the cheapest in terms of software licenses if 
you need to buy anything down the line).

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 8:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I assume I will back up to tape?


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

What are you doing to backup your VM's?

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 8:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Wow. This is perfect.
You probably just saved me some serious coin.
Thank you!!!


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

vSphere will see all the RAM, but the amount you'll be able to use (assuming 
vSphere 5) is licensed/controlled by your vRAM entitlement.

It's one of the biggest and most contentious changes moving from 4.1 to 5.

Here's VMware's licensing paper which lists it in all its glorious
detail:

http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf

So in a nutshell, yes, you'll have almost 600gb of RAM but will only be able to 
use 1/3rd of it without ponying up for more licenses.  Nice eh?!
________________________
From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 7:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is only 
going to see and utilize 192GB?





-

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Andrew S. Baker]

*>> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup
Hyper-V boxes individually?
*
No, you don't have to back them up individually.   Lots of 3rd party
options here.


*>> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun"
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.
*
Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member.


* *

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Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings
wrote:

> I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in
> no particular order:
>
> Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
> No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
> Single management tool.
> Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware
> infrastructure.
> Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V
> boxes individually?
> No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun"
> situation if you have to power everything off and on again.
>
> Outside of usability you then have:
>
> Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in
> VMDK/OVF format
> Tons of vCenter add-ins
>
> I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing
> falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason
> I can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out
> expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.
> ____________
> From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?
>
> I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> I'd assume ease of use and market leader.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini
> frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you
> choosing VMware over Hyper-V?
>
>
>
> John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
> MIS Department
> Taylor County School District
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: David Mazzaccaro
> [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
> 08:38:47 -0700
> Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>
> > Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> > I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
> solution:
> >
> > 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> > HP DL380 G7 E5660
> > Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> > 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> > Quad port gig adapter
> >
> > 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> > HP 2910
> >
> > 1 SAN ($22,700)
> > NetApp 2240
> > 12 x 600GB
> >
> > VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
> >
> > 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> > Server 2008 Datacenter
> >
> > Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
> >
> > $40k services
> > Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> > Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
> >
> > Total: $185,000
> >
> > Sound good?
>

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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Paul Hutchings]

I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no 
particular order:

Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server.
No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming.
Single management tool.
Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware 
infrastructure.
Single "thing" to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes 
individually?
No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a "fun" 
situation if you have to power everything off and on again.

Outside of usability you then have:

Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in 
VMDK/OVF format 
Tons of vCenter add-ins

I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing 
falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I 
can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out 
expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics.

From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini 
frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing 
VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?


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Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[James Rankin]

No mention of XenServer? It's a lot better than it used to be.

On 16 April 2012 16:15, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> I would say that VMWare is more feature rich and has a more extensive
> ecosystem of support and add-ons.
>
> Hyper-V is a little easier, but that's not a complete apples-to-apples
> comparison.
>
> Once you get into them, they're both complex enough, yet easy enough to
> manage.
>
> * *
>
> *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
> Technology for the SMB market…
>
> *
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:39 AM, John Hornbuckle <
> john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us> wrote:
>
>> Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?
>>
>> I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>>
>> I'd assume ease of use and market leader.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
>> Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>>
>> Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini
>> frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you
>> choosing VMware over Hyper-V?
>>
>>
>>
>> John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
>> MIS Department
>> Taylor County School District
>> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: David Mazzaccaro
>> [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
>> Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
>> 08:38:47 -0700
>> Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>>
>>
>> > Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
>> > I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
>> solution:
>> >
>> > 3 hosts: ($21k each)
>> > HP DL380 G7 E5660
>> > Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
>> > 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
>> > Quad port gig adapter
>> >
>> > 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
>> > HP 2910
>> >
>> > 1 SAN ($22,700)
>> > NetApp 2240
>> > 12 x 600GB
>> >
>> > VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>> >
>> > 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
>> > Server 2008 Datacenter
>> >
>> > Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>> >
>> > $40k services
>> > Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
>> > Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>> >
>> > Total: $185,000
>> >
>> > Sound good?
>>
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Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Andrew S. Baker]

I would say that VMWare is more feature rich and has a more extensive
ecosystem of support and add-ons.

Hyper-V is a little easier, but that's not a complete apples-to-apples
comparison.

Once you get into them, they're both complex enough, yet easy enough to
manage.

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On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:39 AM, John Hornbuckle <
john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us> wrote:

> Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?
>
> I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> I'd assume ease of use and market leader.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini
> frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you
> choosing VMware over Hyper-V?
>
>
>
> John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
> MIS Department
> Taylor County School District
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: David Mazzaccaro
> [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
> 08:38:47 -0700
> Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>
> > Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> > I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
> solution:
> >
> > 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> > HP DL380 G7 E5660
> > Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> > 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> > Quad port gig adapter
> >
> > 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> > HP 2910
> >
> > 1 SAN ($22,700)
> > NetApp 2240
> > 12 x 600GB
> >
> > VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
> >
> > 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> > Server 2008 Datacenter
> >
> > Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
> >
> > $40k services
> > Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> > Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
> >
> > Total: $185,000
> >
> > Sound good?
>
>

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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Chinnery, Paul]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I like it.  I don't find it hard to work 
with.  I'm running 5 esxi4.1 hosts with 60 VM's. All of the hospital HCIS 
servers (Meditech) are running virtualized.  

We did have some hiccups on the way to going LIVE with it. We had a situation 
where VM thought the server was shut down when it was actually running.  We had 
another case where we tried to vmotion 2 servers and it would just stop working 
at around 60%.  Both of those turned out to be 1) configuration issues and 2) 
not the same version of VM running on all 5 hosts.  

Management is easy through the vSphere client. We're using EMC SAN for storage 
so when I need to create a new datastore, it takes about 15 minutes:  create 
the LUN on the SAN, open vSphere and create the datastore and add the LUN to it.

OTOH, I haven't upgraded to 5 from 4.1 so I can't speak as to how easy it would 
be to upgrade.


Paul Chinnery
Network Admin
Memorial Medical Center
231.845.2319



-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini 
frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing 
VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008 
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?


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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[John Hornbuckle]

Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V?

I've only used the latter, so I can't judge.



John


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini 
frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing 
VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
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To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008 
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?


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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[John Cook]

Support for non MS operating systems, Fault Tolerance, Storage Vmotion  for 
anything other than W2008R2 .

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-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini 
frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing 
VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?


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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Paul Hutchings]

I'd assume ease of use and market leader.

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini 
frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing 
VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008 
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?


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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[John Hornbuckle]

Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini 
frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing 
VMware over Hyper-V?



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
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www.taylor.k12.fl.us



- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008 
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?


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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Ken Schaefer]

The DL380 G8 series will be shipping within the month. You may wish to look at 
that as well.

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Friday, 13 April 2012 11:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.

I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the solution:

3 hosts: ($21k each)

HP DL380 G7 E5660

Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored

196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Quad port gig adapter

2 Switches: ($1,800 each)

HP 2910

1 SAN ($22,700)

NetApp 2240

12 x 600GB

VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)

6 Windows licenses ($13,600):

Server 2008 Datacenter

Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)

$40k services

Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008 Domain 
upgrade, P2V existing servers

Total: $185,000

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Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Steven Peck]

While we do have targeted backups through the TSM and the VMware API's it
just doesn't scale for us so we use traditional backups in the guests OS
for most of our stuff.

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Paul Hutchings
wrote:

> Basically forget about connecting your tape library to one of the VMware
> hosts, even if it should work it isn't going to be pleasant - far better to
> use one of your existing boxes as a media agent with the tape drive
> attached to it if you stick with the tape drive you have.
>
> If you wouldn't mind doing so it would be beneficial if you went into some
> detail on what you currently do for backups - what software, what backup
> routine etc.?
>
> If you're using something old or basic and are considering backups from
> scratch I'd suggest (in a very rough order) looking at Commvault,
> Unitrends, Veeam (only does VMware or Hyper-V) and AppAssure (only does
> Windows), then at the lower end you have Backup Exec and ArcServe and no
> doubt a few others.
>
> I really can't stress the point strongly enough about having a solid
> backup plan in place when you virtualise.
>
> Firstly you're talking about spending almost $200k on kit - respectfully
> I'm a little surprised if the VAR hasn't mentioned backups somewhere down
> the line?
>
> Secondly, your single SAN is your single point of failure.  Sure, it's
> made not to fail but if it does you've just lost every single VM you have
> so you want to be able to get them back as quickly and easily as possible.
> ____
> From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> Sent: 13 April 2012 9:39 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> Ah... yes, that is exactly what I am doing now.
>
> I will absolutely look into this.  Thank you.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:54 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> I meant more in terms of what backup software are you using?
>
> If you're currently doing backups of your physical boxes you're most
> likely doing it using traditional agents that sit on the boxes and do
> file or application level backups?
>
> Of course you can continue to do that, but you're missing one of the
> biggest benefits of virtualisation if you're not complementing it (or in
> some cases replacing it) with taking image level backups of the entire
> VM.
>
> It's something you should definitely look into, not least because, well
> it's backups so it's probably the most important part of the whole
> setup, but also because if you do go the Netapp route they also offer a
> lot of software tools (at a cost) that your backup software may be
> compatible with - basically you want to check it out prior to any
> purchase to avoid any surprises down the line (particularly as Netapp
> aren't the cheapest in terms of software licenses if you need to buy
> anything down the line).
> 
> From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> Sent: 13 April 2012 8:44 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> I assume I will back up to tape?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:29 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> What are you doing to backup your VM's?
> 
> From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> Sent: 13 April 2012 8:06 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> Wow. This is perfect.
> You probably just saved me some serious coin.
> Thank you!!!
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:45 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> vSphere will see all the RAM, but the amount you'll be able to use
> (assuming vSphere 5) is licensed/controlled by your vRAM entitlement.
>
> It's one of the biggest and most contentious changes moving from 4.1 to
> 5.
>
> Here's VMware's licensing paper which lists it in all its glorious
> detail:
>
> http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf
>
> So in a nutshell, yes, you'll have almost 600gb of RAM but will only be
> able to use 1/3rd of it without ponying up for more li

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Paul Hutchings]

Basically forget about connecting your tape library to one of the VMware hosts, 
even if it should work it isn't going to be pleasant - far better to use one of 
your existing boxes as a media agent with the tape drive attached to it if you 
stick with the tape drive you have.

If you wouldn't mind doing so it would be beneficial if you went into some 
detail on what you currently do for backups - what software, what backup 
routine etc.?

If you're using something old or basic and are considering backups from scratch 
I'd suggest (in a very rough order) looking at Commvault, Unitrends, Veeam 
(only does VMware or Hyper-V) and AppAssure (only does Windows), then at the 
lower end you have Backup Exec and ArcServe and no doubt a few others.

I really can't stress the point strongly enough about having a solid backup 
plan in place when you virtualise.

Firstly you're talking about spending almost $200k on kit - respectfully I'm a 
little surprised if the VAR hasn't mentioned backups somewhere down the line?

Secondly, your single SAN is your single point of failure.  Sure, it's made not 
to fail but if it does you've just lost every single VM you have so you want to 
be able to get them back as quickly and easily as possible.

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 9:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Ah... yes, that is exactly what I am doing now.

I will absolutely look into this.  Thank you.



-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I meant more in terms of what backup software are you using?

If you're currently doing backups of your physical boxes you're most
likely doing it using traditional agents that sit on the boxes and do
file or application level backups?

Of course you can continue to do that, but you're missing one of the
biggest benefits of virtualisation if you're not complementing it (or in
some cases replacing it) with taking image level backups of the entire
VM.

It's something you should definitely look into, not least because, well
it's backups so it's probably the most important part of the whole
setup, but also because if you do go the Netapp route they also offer a
lot of software tools (at a cost) that your backup software may be
compatible with - basically you want to check it out prior to any
purchase to avoid any surprises down the line (particularly as Netapp
aren't the cheapest in terms of software licenses if you need to buy
anything down the line).

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 8:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I assume I will back up to tape?


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

What are you doing to backup your VM's?

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 8:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Wow. This is perfect.
You probably just saved me some serious coin.
Thank you!!!


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

vSphere will see all the RAM, but the amount you'll be able to use
(assuming vSphere 5) is licensed/controlled by your vRAM entitlement.

It's one of the biggest and most contentious changes moving from 4.1 to
5.

Here's VMware's licensing paper which lists it in all its glorious
detail:

http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf

So in a nutshell, yes, you'll have almost 600gb of RAM but will only be
able to use 1/3rd of it without ponying up for more licenses.  Nice eh?!
________________
From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 7:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is
only going to see and utilize 192GB?





-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

OK one more thing:

vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere
Standard.

Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.

6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.

So 196gb 

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Rankin, James R]

Good luck in VMWare. I recently moved back to Houghton, which is nice but low 
in overall memory (particularly the town centre)

---Blackberried

-Original Message-
From: "David Mazzaccaro" 
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:38:47 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the solution:

3 hosts: ($21k each)
HP DL380 G7 E5660
Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
Quad port gig adapter

2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
HP 2910

1 SAN ($22,700)
NetApp 2240
12 x 600GB

VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)

6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
Server 2008 Datacenter 

Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)

$40k services 
Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers

Total: $185,000

Sound good?



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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[David Mazzaccaro]

Ah... yes, that is exactly what I am doing now.

I will absolutely look into this.  Thank you.



-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I meant more in terms of what backup software are you using?

If you're currently doing backups of your physical boxes you're most
likely doing it using traditional agents that sit on the boxes and do
file or application level backups?

Of course you can continue to do that, but you're missing one of the
biggest benefits of virtualisation if you're not complementing it (or in
some cases replacing it) with taking image level backups of the entire
VM.

It's something you should definitely look into, not least because, well
it's backups so it's probably the most important part of the whole
setup, but also because if you do go the Netapp route they also offer a
lot of software tools (at a cost) that your backup software may be
compatible with - basically you want to check it out prior to any
purchase to avoid any surprises down the line (particularly as Netapp
aren't the cheapest in terms of software licenses if you need to buy
anything down the line).

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 8:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I assume I will back up to tape?


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

What are you doing to backup your VM's?

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 8:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Wow. This is perfect.
You probably just saved me some serious coin.
Thank you!!!


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

vSphere will see all the RAM, but the amount you'll be able to use
(assuming vSphere 5) is licensed/controlled by your vRAM entitlement.

It's one of the biggest and most contentious changes moving from 4.1 to
5.

Here's VMware's licensing paper which lists it in all its glorious
detail:

http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf

So in a nutshell, yes, you'll have almost 600gb of RAM but will only be
able to use 1/3rd of it without ponying up for more licenses.  Nice eh?!

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 7:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is
only going to see and utilize 192GB?





-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

OK one more thing:

vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere
Standard.

Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.

6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.

So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and
occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

LOL
Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...

> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As
long as I'm looking at the right memory.

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
Cat=RAM
48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
$8099.91

Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain 

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[David Mazzaccaro]

Another reason I love this list!

 

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 4:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

Better we burst your bubble now than after you've received everything...
:-)

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 3:45 PM, David Mazzaccaro
 wrote:

True.  

Sigh...

 

 

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:35 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

Sure but a good VAR should catch things like this before a proposal goes
out the door. If you said max the RAM the licensing should support it. 



On Friday, April 13, 2012, David Mazzaccaro wrote:

Good point, thanks.

I may recall having said to them "just max the RAM in the hosts".

I'll see what they come back with now.

 

 

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:12 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

Hold your VAR's feet to the fire!  I would've configured the three hosts
such that any two hit the vRAM entitlement limit when fully utilized,
allowing you to handle the loss of one host.  

 

Does that make sense?

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:53 PM, David Mazzaccaro
 wrote:

Thx, getting clarification on this now...



-Original Message-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]

Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

IIRC VMWare licensing only counts against running virtual machines, you
may have 48 Gb of memory allocated to all the guests running on a single
host but you're fine if only 32Gb  of allocated memory are live ie
running.
You have WAY overkilled the memory installation.

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610  
Cell (352) 215-6944  
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


-Original Message-

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]

Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:27 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is
only going to see and utilize 192GB?





-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

OK one more thing:

vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere
Standard.

Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.

6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.

So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and
occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

LOL
Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...

> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As
long as I'm looking at the right memory.

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
Cat=RAM
<http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7
&%0d%0aCat=RAM> 
48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
$8099.91

Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


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From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
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Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

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On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Paul Hutchings
wrote:

>  That RAM price sounds insane.  I’d be speaking to different RAM vendors
> on getting compatible RAM – HP don’t manufacture their own, it’s nothing
> special IMO.
>
> ** **
>
> Gut reaction is it’s an expensive solution in terms of hardware and
> software, but it’s easy to say “Save $40k and do it yourself” when you’re
> in a position to do so.
>
> ** **
>
> Basically it looks a nice solution, I’m not sure from the limited info if
> it isn’t overkill but that’s me with my “spend the money as if it were my
> own” hat on.
>
> 
>
> *From:* David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> *Sent:* 13 April 2012 16:39
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>  ** **
>
> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
>
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the solution:**
> **
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
>
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
>
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
>
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
>
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
>
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
>
> NetApp 2240
>
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
>
> Server 2008 Datacenter 
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services 
>
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008 Domain
> upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?
>
>
> .
>
>
>

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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Brian Desmond]

Given he is going NetApp, I'd be looking at their VMWare integration. 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

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-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I meant more in terms of what backup software are you using?

If you're currently doing backups of your physical boxes you're most likely 
doing it using traditional agents that sit on the boxes and do file or 
application level backups?

Of course you can continue to do that, but you're missing one of the biggest 
benefits of virtualisation if you're not complementing it (or in some cases 
replacing it) with taking image level backups of the entire VM.

It's something you should definitely look into, not least because, well it's 
backups so it's probably the most important part of the whole setup, but also 
because if you do go the Netapp route they also offer a lot of software tools 
(at a cost) that your backup software may be compatible with - basically you 
want to check it out prior to any purchase to avoid any surprises down the line 
(particularly as Netapp aren't the cheapest in terms of software licenses if 
you need to buy anything down the line).

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 8:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I assume I will back up to tape?


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

What are you doing to backup your VM's?

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 8:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Wow. This is perfect.
You probably just saved me some serious coin.
Thank you!!!


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

vSphere will see all the RAM, but the amount you'll be able to use (assuming 
vSphere 5) is licensed/controlled by your vRAM entitlement.

It's one of the biggest and most contentious changes moving from 4.1 to 5.

Here's VMware's licensing paper which lists it in all its glorious
detail:

http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf

So in a nutshell, yes, you'll have almost 600gb of RAM but will only be able to 
use 1/3rd of it without ponying up for more licenses.  Nice eh?!

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 7:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is only 
going to see and utilize 192GB?





-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

OK one more thing:

vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere Standard.

Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.

6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.

So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and occasionally do 
run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

LOL
Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...

> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if it's 
196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As long as I'm 
looking at the right memory.

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
Cat=RAM
48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
$8099.91

Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[David Mazzaccaro]

Interesting...
Thx!


-Original Message-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I think he meant how are you going to backup your VMDK files.
Read this
http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd
=displayKC&externalId=1016407

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


-Original Message-
From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I assume I will back up to tape?


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

What are you doing to backup your VM's?

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 8:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Wow. This is perfect.
You probably just saved me some serious coin.
Thank you!!!


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

vSphere will see all the RAM, but the amount you'll be able to use
(assuming vSphere 5) is licensed/controlled by your vRAM entitlement.

It's one of the biggest and most contentious changes moving from 4.1 to
5.

Here's VMware's licensing paper which lists it in all its glorious
detail:

http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf

So in a nutshell, yes, you'll have almost 600gb of RAM but will only be
able to use 1/3rd of it without ponying up for more licenses.  Nice eh?!

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 7:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is
only going to see and utilize 192GB?





-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

OK one more thing:

vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere
Standard.

Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.

6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.

So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and
occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

LOL
Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...

> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As
long as I'm looking at the right memory.

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
Cat=RAM
48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
$8099.91

Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?
>

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Robert Cato]

I like my VDR appliances. I had some trouble with the 2.x, it kept
corrupting the backup desinations. I have rolled back to v1.2 and all is
good. They will lock-up occasionally, but a hard bounce will fix it
usually. I have had to re-deploy the appliance on occasion.

Robert

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 3:47 PM, John Cook  wrote:

> I think he meant how are you going to backup your VMDK files.
> Read this
> http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1016407
>
>  John W. Cook
> Network Operations Manager
> Partnership For Strong Families
> 5950 NW 1st Place
> Gainesville, Fl 32607
> Office (352) 244-1610
> Cell (352) 215-6944
> MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:45 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> I assume I will back up to tape?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:29 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> What are you doing to backup your VM's?
> 
> From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> Sent: 13 April 2012 8:06 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> Wow. This is perfect.
> You probably just saved me some serious coin.
> Thank you!!!
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:45 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> vSphere will see all the RAM, but the amount you'll be able to use
> (assuming vSphere 5) is licensed/controlled by your vRAM entitlement.
>
> It's one of the biggest and most contentious changes moving from 4.1 to 5.
>
> Here's VMware's licensing paper which lists it in all its glorious
> detail:
>
> http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf
>
> So in a nutshell, yes, you'll have almost 600gb of RAM but will only be
> able to use 1/3rd of it without ponying up for more licenses.  Nice eh?!
> 
> From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> Sent: 13 April 2012 7:26 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is
> only going to see and utilize 192GB?
> 
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> OK one more thing:
>
> vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere Standard.
>
> Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.
>
> 6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.
>
> So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and
> occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).
> 
> From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> LOL
> Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...
>
> > 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
>
> Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
> it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As
> long as I'm looking at the right memory.
>
> http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
> Cat=RAM
> 48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
> $8099.91
>
> Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
> Sm:)e.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: David Mazzaccaro
> [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
> 08:38:47 -0700
> Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>
>

Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Jonathan Link]

Better we burst your bubble now than after you've received everything... :-)

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 3:45 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:

> True.  
>
> Sigh…
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 3:35 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> ** **
>
> Sure but a good VAR should catch things like this before a proposal goes
> out the door. If you said max the RAM the licensing should support it.
>
>
> On Friday, April 13, 2012, David Mazzaccaro wrote:
>
> Good point, thanks.
>
> I may recall having said to them “just max the RAM in the hosts”.
>
> I’ll see what they come back with now.
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 3:12 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
> 
>
>  
>
> Hold your VAR's feet to the fire!  I would've configured the three hosts
> such that any two hit the vRAM entitlement limit when fully utilized,
> allowing you to handle the loss of one host.  
>
>  
>
> Does that make sense?
>
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:53 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
> david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:
>
> Thx, getting clarification on this now...
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org ]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:41 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> IIRC VMWare licensing only counts against running virtual machines, you
> may have 48 Gb of memory allocated to all the guests running on a single
> host but you're fine if only 32Gb  of allocated memory are live ie
> running.
> You have WAY overkilled the memory installation.
>
>  John W. Cook
> Network Operations Manager
> Partnership For Strong Families
> 5950 NW 1st Place
> Gainesville, Fl 32607
> Office (352) 244-1610
> Cell     (352) 215-6944
> MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: David Mazzaccaro 
> [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com
> ]
>
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:27 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is
> only going to see and utilize 192GB?
> 
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings 
> [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk
> ]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> OK one more thing:
>
> vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere
> Standard.
>
> Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.
>
> 6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.
>
> So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and
> occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).
> ____
> From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> LOL
> Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross 
> [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org
> ]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...
>
> > 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
>
> Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
> it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As
> long as I'm looking at the right memory.
>
> http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
> Cat=RAM<http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&%0d%0aCat=RAM>
> 48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
> $8099.91
>
> Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
> Sm:)e.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: David Mazzaccaro
> [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com
> ]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.c

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Paul Hutchings]

I meant more in terms of what backup software are you using?

If you're currently doing backups of your physical boxes you're most likely 
doing it using traditional agents that sit on the boxes and do file or 
application level backups?

Of course you can continue to do that, but you're missing one of the biggest 
benefits of virtualisation if you're not complementing it (or in some cases 
replacing it) with taking image level backups of the entire VM.

It's something you should definitely look into, not least because, well it's 
backups so it's probably the most important part of the whole setup, but also 
because if you do go the Netapp route they also offer a lot of software tools 
(at a cost) that your backup software may be compatible with - basically you 
want to check it out prior to any purchase to avoid any surprises down the line 
(particularly as Netapp aren't the cheapest in terms of software licenses if 
you need to buy anything down the line).

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 8:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I assume I will back up to tape?


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

What are you doing to backup your VM's?

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 8:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Wow. This is perfect.
You probably just saved me some serious coin.
Thank you!!!


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

vSphere will see all the RAM, but the amount you'll be able to use
(assuming vSphere 5) is licensed/controlled by your vRAM entitlement.

It's one of the biggest and most contentious changes moving from 4.1 to
5.

Here's VMware's licensing paper which lists it in all its glorious
detail:

http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf

So in a nutshell, yes, you'll have almost 600gb of RAM but will only be
able to use 1/3rd of it without ponying up for more licenses.  Nice eh?!

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 7:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is
only going to see and utilize 192GB?





-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

OK one more thing:

vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere
Standard.

Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.

6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.

So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and
occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

LOL
Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...

> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As
long as I'm looking at the right memory.

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
Cat=RAM
48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
$8099.91

Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
&g

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[John Cook]

I think he meant how are you going to backup your VMDK files.
Read this 
http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1016407

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


-Original Message-
From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I assume I will back up to tape?


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

What are you doing to backup your VM's?

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 8:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Wow. This is perfect.
You probably just saved me some serious coin.
Thank you!!!


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

vSphere will see all the RAM, but the amount you'll be able to use (assuming 
vSphere 5) is licensed/controlled by your vRAM entitlement.

It's one of the biggest and most contentious changes moving from 4.1 to 5.

Here's VMware's licensing paper which lists it in all its glorious
detail:

http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf

So in a nutshell, yes, you'll have almost 600gb of RAM but will only be able to 
use 1/3rd of it without ponying up for more licenses.  Nice eh?!

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 7:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is only 
going to see and utilize 192GB?





-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

OK one more thing:

vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere Standard.

Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.

6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.

So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and occasionally do 
run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

LOL
Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...

> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if it's 
196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As long as I'm 
looking at the right memory.

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
Cat=RAM
48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
$8099.91

Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?
>
>
>
> .
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
> ---
> To manag

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[David Mazzaccaro]

True.  

Sigh...

 

 

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

Sure but a good VAR should catch things like this before a proposal goes
out the door. If you said max the RAM the licensing should support it. 

On Friday, April 13, 2012, David Mazzaccaro wrote:

Good point, thanks.

I may recall having said to them "just max the RAM in the hosts".

I'll see what they come back with now.

 

 

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com
 ] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

Hold your VAR's feet to the fire!  I would've configured the three hosts
such that any two hit the vRAM entitlement limit when fully utilized,
allowing you to handle the loss of one host.  

 

Does that make sense?

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:53 PM, David Mazzaccaro
 wrote:

Thx, getting clarification on this now...



-Original Message-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

IIRC VMWare licensing only counts against running virtual machines, you
may have 48 Gb of memory allocated to all the guests running on a single
host but you're fine if only 32Gb  of allocated memory are live ie
running.
You have WAY overkilled the memory installation.

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


-Original Message-

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]

Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is
only going to see and utilize 192GB?





-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

OK one more thing:

vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere
Standard.

Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.

6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.

So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and
occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

LOL
Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...

> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As
long as I'm looking at the right memory.

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
Cat=RAM
<http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7
&%0d%0aCat=RAM> 
48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
$8099.91

Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
S


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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Heaton, Joseph@DFG]

We don't need no steenking backups!

Joe Heaton
ITB - Windows Server Support


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:29 PM
To: Heaton, Joseph@DFG; NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

What are you doing to backup your VM's?

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 8:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Wow. This is perfect.
You probably just saved me some serious coin.
Thank you!!!


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

vSphere will see all the RAM, but the amount you'll be able to use (assuming 
vSphere 5) is licensed/controlled by your vRAM entitlement.

It's one of the biggest and most contentious changes moving from 4.1 to 5.

Here's VMware's licensing paper which lists it in all its glorious
detail:

http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf

So in a nutshell, yes, you'll have almost 600gb of RAM but will only be able to 
use 1/3rd of it without ponying up for more licenses.  Nice eh?!

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 7:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is only 
going to see and utilize 192GB?





-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

OK one more thing:

vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere Standard.

Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.

6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.

So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and occasionally do 
run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

LOL
Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...

> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if it's 
196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As long as I'm 
looking at the right memory.

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
Cat=RAM
48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
$8099.91

Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008 
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?
>
>
>
> .
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[David Mazzaccaro]

I assume I will back up to tape?


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

What are you doing to backup your VM's?

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 8:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Wow. This is perfect.
You probably just saved me some serious coin.
Thank you!!!


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

vSphere will see all the RAM, but the amount you'll be able to use
(assuming vSphere 5) is licensed/controlled by your vRAM entitlement.

It's one of the biggest and most contentious changes moving from 4.1 to
5.

Here's VMware's licensing paper which lists it in all its glorious
detail:

http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf

So in a nutshell, yes, you'll have almost 600gb of RAM but will only be
able to use 1/3rd of it without ponying up for more licenses.  Nice eh?!

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 7:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is
only going to see and utilize 192GB?





-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

OK one more thing:

vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere
Standard.

Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.

6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.

So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and
occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

LOL
Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...

> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As
long as I'm looking at the right memory.

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
Cat=RAM
48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
$8099.91

Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?
>
>
>
> .
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
> ---
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> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin

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Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Jonathan Link]

Sure but a good VAR should catch things like this before a proposal goes
out the door. If you said max the RAM the licensing should support it.

On Friday, April 13, 2012, David Mazzaccaro wrote:

> Good point, thanks.
>
> I may recall having said to them “just max the RAM in the hosts”.
>
> I’ll see what they come back with now.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com  'cvml', 'jonathan.l...@gmail.com');>]
> *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 3:12 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> ** **
>
> Hold your VAR's feet to the fire!  I would've configured the three hosts
> such that any two hit the vRAM entitlement limit when fully utilized,
> allowing you to handle the loss of one host.  
>
> ** **
>
> Does that make sense?
>
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:53 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
> david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:
>
> Thx, getting clarification on this now...
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:41 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> IIRC VMWare licensing only counts against running virtual machines, you
> may have 48 Gb of memory allocated to all the guests running on a single
> host but you're fine if only 32Gb  of allocated memory are live ie
> running.
> You have WAY overkilled the memory installation.
>
>  John W. Cook
> Network Operations Manager
> Partnership For Strong Families
> 5950 NW 1st Place
> Gainesville, Fl 32607
> Office (352) 244-1610
> Cell (352) 215-6944
> MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
>
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:27 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is
> only going to see and utilize 192GB?
> 
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> OK one more thing:
>
> vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere
> Standard.
>
> Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.
>
> 6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.
>
> So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and
> occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).
> 
> From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> LOL
> Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...
>
> > 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
>
> Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
> it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As
> long as I'm looking at the right memory.
>
> http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
> Cat=RAM<http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&%0d%0aCat=RAM>
> 48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
> $8099.91
>
> Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
> Sm:)e.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: David Mazzaccaro
> [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
> 08:38:47 -0700
> S
>
> .
>
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>
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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Paul Hutchings]

What are you doing to backup your VM's?

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 8:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

Wow. This is perfect.
You probably just saved me some serious coin.
Thank you!!!


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

vSphere will see all the RAM, but the amount you'll be able to use
(assuming vSphere 5) is licensed/controlled by your vRAM entitlement.

It's one of the biggest and most contentious changes moving from 4.1 to
5.

Here's VMware's licensing paper which lists it in all its glorious
detail:

http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf

So in a nutshell, yes, you'll have almost 600gb of RAM but will only be
able to use 1/3rd of it without ponying up for more licenses.  Nice eh?!

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 7:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is
only going to see and utilize 192GB?





-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

OK one more thing:

vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere
Standard.

Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.

6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.

So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and
occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

LOL
Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...

> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As
long as I'm looking at the right memory.

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
Cat=RAM
48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
$8099.91

Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?
>
>
>
> .
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
> ---
> To manage subscriptions click here:
> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
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> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin

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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[David Mazzaccaro]

Good point, thanks.

I may recall having said to them "just max the RAM in the hosts".

I'll see what they come back with now.

 

 

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

Hold your VAR's feet to the fire!  I would've configured the three hosts
such that any two hit the vRAM entitlement limit when fully utilized,
allowing you to handle the loss of one host.  

 

Does that make sense?

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:53 PM, David Mazzaccaro
 wrote:

Thx, getting clarification on this now...



-Original Message-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

IIRC VMWare licensing only counts against running virtual machines, you
may have 48 Gb of memory allocated to all the guests running on a single
host but you're fine if only 32Gb  of allocated memory are live ie
running.
You have WAY overkilled the memory installation.

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610  
Cell (352) 215-6944  
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


-Original Message-

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]

Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is
only going to see and utilize 192GB?





-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

OK one more thing:

vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere
Standard.

Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.

6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.

So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and
occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

LOL
Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...

> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As
long as I'm looking at the right memory.

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
Cat=RAM
<http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7
&%0d%0aCat=RAM> 
48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
$8099.91

Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?
>
>
>
> .
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
> ---
> To manage subscriptions click here:
> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin

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Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Jonathan Link]

Hold your VAR's feet to the fire!  I would've configured the three hosts
such that any two hit the vRAM entitlement limit when fully utilized,
allowing you to handle the loss of one host.

Does that make sense?

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:53 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:

> Thx, getting clarification on this now...
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:41 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> IIRC VMWare licensing only counts against running virtual machines, you
> may have 48 Gb of memory allocated to all the guests running on a single
> host but you're fine if only 32Gb  of allocated memory are live ie
> running.
> You have WAY overkilled the memory installation.
>
>  John W. Cook
> Network Operations Manager
> Partnership For Strong Families
> 5950 NW 1st Place
> Gainesville, Fl 32607
> Office (352) 244-1610
> Cell (352) 215-6944
> MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:27 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is
> only going to see and utilize 192GB?
> 
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> OK one more thing:
>
> vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere
> Standard.
>
> Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.
>
> 6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.
>
> So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and
> occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).
> 
> From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> LOL
> Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
> I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...
>
> > 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
>
> Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
> it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As
> long as I'm looking at the right memory.
>
> http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
> Cat=RAM
> 48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
> $8099.91
>
> Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
> Sm:)e.
>
>
> --Matt Ross
> Ephrata School District
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: David Mazzaccaro
> [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
> 08:38:47 -0700
> Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>
> > Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> > I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
> solution:
> >
> > 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> > HP DL380 G7 E5660
> > Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> > 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> > Quad port gig adapter
> >
> > 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> > HP 2910
> >
> > 1 SAN ($22,700)
> > NetApp 2240
> > 12 x 600GB
> >
> > VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
> >
> > 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> > Server 2008 Datacenter
> >
> > Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
> >
> > $40k services
> > Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> > Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
> >
> > Total: $185,000
> >
> > Sound good?
> >
> >
> >
> > .
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
> > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
> >
> > ---
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&g

RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[David Mazzaccaro]

Wow. This is perfect.
You probably just saved me some serious coin.
Thank you!!!


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

vSphere will see all the RAM, but the amount you'll be able to use
(assuming vSphere 5) is licensed/controlled by your vRAM entitlement.

It's one of the biggest and most contentious changes moving from 4.1 to
5.

Here's VMware's licensing paper which lists it in all its glorious
detail:

http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf

So in a nutshell, yes, you'll have almost 600gb of RAM but will only be
able to use 1/3rd of it without ponying up for more licenses.  Nice eh?!

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 7:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is
only going to see and utilize 192GB?





-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

OK one more thing:

vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere
Standard.

Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.

6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.

So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and
occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

LOL
Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...

> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As
long as I'm looking at the right memory.

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
Cat=RAM
48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
$8099.91

Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?
>
>
>
> .
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[David Mazzaccaro]

Thx, getting clarification on this now...


-Original Message-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

IIRC VMWare licensing only counts against running virtual machines, you
may have 48 Gb of memory allocated to all the guests running on a single
host but you're fine if only 32Gb  of allocated memory are live ie
running.
You have WAY overkilled the memory installation.

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


-Original Message-
From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is
only going to see and utilize 192GB?





-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

OK one more thing:

vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere
Standard.

Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.

6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.

So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and
occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

LOL
Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...

> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As
long as I'm looking at the right memory.

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
Cat=RAM
48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
$8099.91

Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?
>
>
>
> .
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
> ---
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> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
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> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin

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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Paul Hutchings]

vSphere will see all the RAM, but the amount you'll be able to use (assuming 
vSphere 5) is licensed/controlled by your vRAM entitlement.

It's one of the biggest and most contentious changes moving from 4.1 to 5.

Here's VMware's licensing paper which lists it in all its glorious detail:

http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf

So in a nutshell, yes, you'll have almost 600gb of RAM but will only be able to 
use 1/3rd of it without ponying up for more licenses.  Nice eh?!

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 7:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is
only going to see and utilize 192GB?





-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

OK one more thing:

vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere
Standard.

Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.

6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.

So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and
occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

LOL
Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...

> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As
long as I'm looking at the right memory.

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
Cat=RAM
48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
$8099.91

Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?
>
>
>
> .
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
> ---
> To manage subscriptions click here:
> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
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> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin

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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[John Cook]

IIRC VMWare licensing only counts against running virtual machines, you may 
have 48 Gb of memory allocated to all the guests running on a single host but 
you're fine if only 32Gb  of allocated memory are live ie running.
You have WAY overkilled the memory installation.

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


-Original Message-
From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is only 
going to see and utilize 192GB?





-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

OK one more thing:

vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere Standard.

Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.

6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.

So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and occasionally do 
run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb).

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

LOL
Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...

> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if it's 
196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As long as I'm 
looking at the right memory.

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
Cat=RAM
48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
$8099.91

Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?
>
>
>
> .
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
> ---
> To manage subscriptions click here:
> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
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> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin

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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Brian Desmond]

HyperV would save you 5 grand in licenses and the memory issues assuming 
vSphere doesn't have a specific feature you need.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

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From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.

I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the solution:

3 hosts: ($21k each)

HP DL380 G7 E5660

Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored

196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Quad port gig adapter

2 Switches: ($1,800 each)

HP 2910

1 SAN ($22,700)

NetApp 2240

12 x 600GB

VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)

6 Windows licenses ($13,600):

Server 2008 Datacenter

Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)

$40k services

Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008 Domain 
upgrade, P2V existing servers

Total: $185,000

Sound good?

.

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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[David Mazzaccaro]

So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is
only going to see and utilize 192GB?





-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

OK one more thing:

vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere
Standard.

Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.

6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.

So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and
occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb). 

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

LOL
Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...

> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As
long as I'm looking at the right memory.

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
Cat=RAM
48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
$8099.91

Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?
>
>
>
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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Paul Hutchings]

OK one more thing:

vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere Standard.

Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement.

6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts.

So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and occasionally do 
run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb). 

From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

LOL
Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...

> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As
long as I'm looking at the right memory.

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
Cat=RAM
48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
$8099.91

Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?
>
>
>
> .
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Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Steve Ens]

Same here, usually opt for Kingston.

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Paul Hutchings
wrote:

>  That RAM price sounds insane.  I’d be speaking to different RAM vendors
> on getting compatible RAM – HP don’t manufacture their own, it’s nothing
> special IMO.
>
> ** **
>
> Gut reaction is it’s an expensive solution in terms of hardware and
> software, but it’s easy to say “Save $40k and do it yourself” when you’re
> in a position to do so.
>
> ** **
>
> Basically it looks a nice solution, I’m not sure from the limited info if
> it isn’t overkill but that’s me with my “spend the money as if it were my
> own” hat on.
>
> 
>
> *From:* David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> *Sent:* 13 April 2012 16:39
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>  ** **
>
> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
>
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the solution:**
> **
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
>
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
>
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
>
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
>
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
>
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
>
> NetApp 2240
>
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
>
> Server 2008 Datacenter 
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services 
>
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008 Domain
> upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?
>
>
> .
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Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:38 AM, David Mazzaccaro
 wrote:
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

  You may want to shop around, either between models, or even vendors.

  When I did this a few months ago, I was initially looking at the
Dell T710.  The line item cost to get 64 GB RAM on that thing was
several thousand dollars.  Paul Hutchings suggested I check out the
R510.  That cost to get 64 GB RAM on that model was $900.  So there
can be pretty dramatic differences between models even on the same
vendor.

  (And sure, the T710 can hold more RAM, but for the cost of putting
that RAM in the T710, I could have bought *several* R510 servers.  So
unless you have a workload that needs everything to be on a single
box, it likely is more cost effective to go that route.)

-- Ben

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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Paul Hutchings]

That RAM price sounds insane.  I'd be speaking to different RAM vendors on 
getting compatible RAM - HP don't manufacture their own, it's nothing special 
IMO.

Gut reaction is it's an expensive solution in terms of hardware and software, 
but it's easy to say "Save $40k and do it yourself" when you're in a position 
to do so.

Basically it looks a nice solution, I'm not sure from the limited info if it 
isn't overkill but that's me with my "spend the money as if it were my own" hat 
on.

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: 13 April 2012 16:39
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.

I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the solution:

3 hosts: ($21k each)

HP DL380 G7 E5660

Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored

196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Quad port gig adapter

2 Switches: ($1,800 each)

HP 2910

1 SAN ($22,700)

NetApp 2240

12 x 600GB

VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)

6 Windows licenses ($13,600):

Server 2008 Datacenter

Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)

$40k services

Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008 Domain 
upgrade, P2V existing servers

Total: $185,000

Sound good?

.

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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[John Cook]

Well somebody has to pay for the golden parachutes for all those ex CEOs!

 John W. Cook
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Gainesville, Fl 32607
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Cell (352) 215-6944
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-Original Message-
From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

LOL
Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...

> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if it's 
196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As long as I'm 
looking at the right memory.

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
Cat=RAM
48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
$8099.91

Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
>
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?
>
>
>
> .
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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[David Mazzaccaro]

LOL
Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium)


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...

> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if
it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As
long as I'm looking at the right memory.

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&;
Cat=RAM
48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers =
$8099.91

Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that?
Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the
solution:
> 
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
> 
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
> 
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
> 
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
> 
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter 
> 
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
> 
> $40k services 
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
> 
> Total: $185,000
> 
> Sound good?
> 
> 
> 
> .
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RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[David Mazzaccaro]

Not sure... Here's the line item:

 

MW2ZPSA0001

XENAPP ADVANCED X1CCU W/ SA 1 CONCURRENT USER W/ SA EASY LIC

 

 

 

 

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

What version of XenApp?

 

 

Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/> 

 

From: David Mazzaccaro 
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

 

Just got the ok to move forward withVMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.

I have 10 physical servers, and it lookslikethis will be the solution:

3hosts: ($21k each)

HP DL380 G7E5660

Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored

196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Quad port gig adapter

2 Switches: ($1,800 each)

HP 2910

1 SAN($22,700)

NetApp 2240

12 x 600GB

VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)

6Windows licenses ($13,600):

Server2008 Datacenter 

Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)

$40k services

Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers

Total: $185,000

Sound good?

 

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Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Richard Stovall]

The 26 kilobuck version.

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Webster  wrote:

>   What version of XenApp?
>
>
>   Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com 
>
> From: David Mazzaccaro 
> Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
>
>  Just got the ok to move forward withVMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
>
> I have 10 physical servers, and it lookslikethis will be the solution:
>
> 3hosts: ($21k each)
>
> HP DL380 G7E5660
>
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
>
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
>
> Quad port gig adapter
>
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
>
> HP 2910
>
> 1 SAN($22,700)
>
> NetApp 2240
>
> 12 x 600GB
>
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
>
> 6Windows licenses ($13,600):
>
> Server2008 Datacenter
>
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
>
> $40k services
>
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008 Domain
> upgrade, P2V existing servers
>
> Total: $185,000
>
> Sound good?
>
>
>  ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
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Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Matthew W. Ross]

I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out...

> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if it's 
196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As long as I'm 
looking at the right memory.

http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7&Cat=RAM
48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers = $8099.91

Hey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that? 
Sm:)e.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: David Mazzaccaro
[mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012
08:38:47 -0700
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


> Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.
> I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the solution:
> 
> 3 hosts: ($21k each)
> HP DL380 G7 E5660
> Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored
> 196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone
> Quad port gig adapter
> 
> 2 Switches: ($1,800 each)
> HP 2910
> 
> 1 SAN ($22,700)
> NetApp 2240
> 12 x 600GB
> 
> VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)
> 
> 6 Windows licenses ($13,600):
> Server 2008 Datacenter 
> 
> Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)
> 
> $40k services 
> Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008
> Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers
> 
> Total: $185,000
> 
> Sound good?
> 
> 
> 
> .
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> ~   ~
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Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!

[Webster]

What version of XenApp?



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com

From: David Mazzaccaro 
mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>>
Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!


Just got the ok to move forward withVMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade.

I have 10 physical servers, and it lookslikethis will be the solution:

3hosts: ($21k each)

HP DL380 G7E5660

Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored

196 G RAM <- this was $45k alone

Quad port gig adapter

2 Switches: ($1,800 each)

HP 2910

1 SAN($22,700)

NetApp 2240

12 x 600GB

VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200)

6Windows licenses ($13,600):

Server2008 Datacenter

Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000)

$40k services

Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008 Domain 
upgrade, P2V existing servers

Total: $185,000

Sound good?


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